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I’ll be going to Deschutes and Waterton-Glacier park in Montana. Does anyone know of any good fly shops near by and some good trout streams? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ron

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I’ll be going to Deschutes and Waterton-Glacier park in Montana. Does anyone know of any good fly shops near by and some good trout streams? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ron

Er . . . There is a Deschutes River in Oregon (and a smaller Deschutes River in Washington), but I don’t know of a "Deschutes" in Montana?  If its the one in Oregon, there is a fine shop in Maupin, but if you are fishing the mouth from where the Deschutes meets the Columbia, you need to get your stuff in Portland (Kaufmans Streamborn in Beaverton?) or if coming down from Washington (I-5?) then Angler’s Workshop in Woodland is your best bet. As to the Waterton-Glacier area . . . I don’t know. Dave

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Dave, that wasn’t very clear. I should have said Deschutes OR and Waterton-Glacier Mt. Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be going to Deschutes and Waterton-Glacier park in Montana. Does anyone know of any good fly shops near by and some good trout streams? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ron Er . . . There is a Deschutes River in Oregon (and a smaller Deschutes River in Washington), but I don’t know of a "Deschutes" in Montana?  If its the one in Oregon, there is a fine shop in Maupin, but if you are fishing the mouth from where the Deschutes meets the Columbia, you need to get your stuff in Portland (Kaufmans Streamborn in Beaverton?) or if coming down from Washington (I-5?) then Angler’s Workshop in Woodland is your best bet. As to the Waterton-Glacier area . . . I don’t know. Dave

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Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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What is the newsletter address? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;   There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

There’s a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an idiot." – Steven Wright

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Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Preciate that Bob, You may rest assured that I will always be skulking in the shadows of R.O.F.B. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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I’ll chime in with the folks saying this (the aircraft carrier/lighthouse story) is a folk tale. It’s just not plausible. was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group? EMCON Sorry Crow, I’m afraid you’re going to have to dumb down your explanation for me.  That one went whizzing right be me.

He means "EMission CONtrol" which means that ships are restricted in emitting radar & radio signals so that an enemy would have a harder time tracking and identifying ships, as well as eliminating any chance of jamming. In Navyese this is EMCON. There are several levels, including EMCON ALPHA wherein everything is shut off. I was an engineer, I don’t know all the details about the rest of the scoop. Fresh Breezes- Doug King (former BT2-SW)

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These legends seem to take on a life of their own after a while.  This joke (no mention of exact locations or ship names) was in Reader’s Digest a few years back.  Who knows where it originated, but I’ve heard it many times, always embellished with "factual" information as we see here.  It’s a great joke, but nothing more. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call. If I were the lighthouse, I would have moved.  No sense arguing with a carrier battle group. BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as well.  But you never know. It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today. Russ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group? EMCON — Visit : http://www.tiac.net/users/vpt/boats/34.htm Sorry Crow, I’m afraid you’re going to have to dumb down your explanation for me.  That one went whizzing right be me. Russ

Emmission Control.  No radar, radios, etc. allowed.  Under EMCON, makes perfect sense they would send aircraft to investigate. Steve — / / / / / /

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I was a DS on Ranger for two WestPacs, and you don’t know the half of it!   I remember being rousted out of bed because every NTDS track in JOTS was heading due south.   Naturally, we blamed the OS’s immediately, but that didn’t pan out,  so we went to work on the TFCC guys.  ;- The tanker T-Bone was legendary for "Danger Ranger" crews, and after dealing with her inertial navigation systems for four years, I’m surprised it didn’t happen more often. I laugh when I hear about the "High Tech" US Navy. God Bless the CP-642B.  All 32K of core memory in use guiding 80,000 tons of warship, and an entire air wing.  It makes the heart grow fond… Jerome – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Even with the latest technology " garbage in garbage out" still applies. I was an OS on the USS Robison when escorting the Carrier Ranger on a West Pac cruise. We warned the Ranger that we had her "CBDR" (Constant bearing decreasing range) with an unknown contact. We were ~1 mile behind, the Ranger basically blew off our warnings, so we noted it in the log book. The carrier as usual was way off sync with our NTDS network grid. Of coarse the small ship can’t tell the big ship they are wrong;-) All of us that were not on station at the time went out to watch as at the last minute the carrier realized they were going to crash with the Malasian oil tanker, they threw everything into "full reverse", but T-boned the tanker anyway. Never forget that noise! Our ship was sent to circle the tanker to assist the crew, It’s side amidships was crushed in with a big V from the carrier. Oil dumped everywhere of coarse and everyone got sick with the smell of fuel.

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He means "EMission CONtrol" which means that ships are restricted in emitting radar & radio signals so that an enemy would have a harder time tracking and identifying ships, as well as eliminating any chance of jamming. In Navyese this is EMCON. There are several levels, including EMCON ALPHA wherein everything is shut off. I was an engineer, I don’t know all the details about the rest of the scoop.

Understood, thanks. RG

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Emmission Control.  No radar, radios, etc. allowed.  Under EMCON, makes perfect sense they would send aircraft to investigate.

Got it.  Now that I understand EMCON, it does make perfect sense to launch A/C.  Thanks Russ

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Ah – memories of the GOO (Gulf of Oman) – should we even mention the US missile cruiser that engaged a cloud with a Harpoon surface to surface missile in the Gulf of Sidra during our skirmishes with the Libyans.  I should mention, however, that the cloud was destroyed… I’ve heard the battlegroup-lighthouse story about a thousand times – my experience as a US Navy bridge watch officer leads me to believe that if anything like that ever really happened, the battlegroup wouldn’t hesitate to give way since we used to run away from surface contacts on a regular basis, unless, of course we were intent on ruining someone’s day. TK

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Emmission Control.  No radar, radios, etc. allowed.  Under EMCON, makes perfect sense they would send aircraft to investigate.

Got it.  Now that I understand EMCON, it does make perfect sense to launch A/C.  Thanks

Depends on the aircraft. If the TACAN (radio navigation system) is off, some of those flyboys can’t find their butt in the bathtub. Finding their way to the carrier? Hey, those things look *really* small from the air! I’d hate to be the one who lost a $50mil+ aircraft to go investigate an old fishing boat. OTOH, I have seen F-14s buzzing a Soviet Bear doing a fly-by when we were at EMCON A because there were bad guys about. Hell, one guy matched speeds, put his landing gear down, and banged down on top of the poor Russki. "We don’ need no stinkin’ TACAN." Fresh Breezes- Doug King

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BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as well.  But you never know. It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today.

I heard that it wasn’t a lighthouse but a large GMC 4×4 with its bright lights on. Then I found out that was only a Suburban legend. Steve

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Emmission Control.  No radar, radios, etc. allowed.  Under EMCON, makes perfect sense they would send aircraft to investigate. Got it.  Now that I understand EMCON, it does make perfect sense to launch A/C.  Thanks

Except this is classified information, you will now have to be shot;-) Ray Relax- Take a San Diego Cyber Cruise! www.sdboats.com

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was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group? EMCON — Visit : http://www.tiac.net/users/vpt/boats/34.htm

Sorry Crow, I’m afraid you’re going to have to dumb down your explanation for me.  That one went whizzing right be me. Russ

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It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today.

Well it wasn’t today, but its not that many years ago either, well on second thought a decade might be long to some.  On any account while enjoying a bit of whats known as holiday routine in that section of the planet known for its warmth and sunshine "Gonzo station" (the North Arabian Sea for the non navy types) my ship (I’ll leave the name out to save face) starts tracking a skunk (unknown surface radar contact) approaching the battle group at almost 40 knots.   At that speed the platform was considered to be a fast attack missile boat…in simple terms a threat.  The ship went to GQ (Battle Station) without the word even being passed, and the Carrier (USS Kitty Hawk) launched its ready 5 aircraft.  A few moments later from the other end of CIC (Combat Information Center) a voice rings out (I’ll leave the superlatives out) to one of the scope watches who evidently had accidently switched all the gyro information into the radar’s off.  Once the gyro signal was restored to the radar the skunk’s speed decreased to 12 knots which correlated to an outbound merchant. So even with the Tech stuff, things do go wrong. Might as well throw in quickly another funny incident aboard, One night the OOD calls CIC and the lookouts and commences to chew them out for not reporting anything about a light on the horizon.  The radar operators search but can’t locate anything on their scopes.  Then we hear….Bridge this is the forward lookout, please inform the OOD that the light he wanted to know about is the moon rising.

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was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group?

EMCON — Visit : http://www.tiac.net/users/vpt/boats/34.htm

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It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today. Well it wasn’t today, but its not that many years ago either, well on second thought a decade might be long to some.   A few moments later from

the other end of CIC (Combat Information Center) a voice rings out (I’ll leave the superlatives out) to one of the scope watches who evidently had accidently switched all the gyro information into the radar’s off.  Once the gyro signal was restored to the radar the skunk’s speed decreased to 12 knots which correlated to an outbound merchant. So even with the Tech stuff, things do go wrong. Might as well throw in quickly another funny incident aboard, One night the OOD calls CIC and the lookouts and commences to chew them out for not reporting anything about a light on the horizon.  The radar operators search but can’t locate anything on their scopes.  Then we hear….Bridge this is the forward lookout, please inform the OOD that the light he wanted to know about is the moon rising.

Even with the latest technology " garbage in garbage out" still applies. I was an OS on the USS Robison when escorting the Carrier Ranger on a West Pac cruise. We warned the Ranger that we had her "CBDR" (Constant bearing decreasing range) with an unknown contact. We were ~1 mile behind, the Ranger basically blew off our warnings, so we noted it in the log book. The carrier as usual was way off sync with our NTDS network grid. Of coarse the small ship can’t tell the big ship they are wrong;-) All of us that were not on station at the time went out to watch as at the last minute the carrier realized they were going to crash with the Malasian oil tanker, they threw everything into "full reverse", but T-boned the tanker anyway. Never forget that noise! Our ship was sent to circle the tanker to assist the crew, It’s side amidships was crushed in with a big V from the carrier. Oil dumped everywhere of coarse and everyone got sick with the smell of fuel. Then there was the time leaving Tahiti when the Skipper ordered the line handlers to get in their dress whites, not realizing that one line to the Tug was still attached. Not a real tug, one of those small foreign jobs. The Skipper (who no one really respected btw) ordered up a speed that was faster than the tug could go, with the line still attached and now very tight the tug crew tried to cut and remove the line, but it was to late. The tug first went backwards and then flipped over. A funny sight watching the tug crew standing on top of the overturned hull yelling and screaming, with the propeller still turning. But the deck hands did change into their dress whites;-)) Or the time we took out a pilon at San Francisco’s Fishermens warf pier Where that sub is now. I guess we should have realized this Skipper was a real bozo when the first time we went to sea he barfed all over the entrance to CIC. Thankfully this skipper didn’t last long and the others I served under were pretty cool. Time frame was the "Big one" (Carter Administration). Ray Relax- Take a San Diego Cyber Cruise! www.sdboats.com

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[...] US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call.

If I were the lighthouse, I would have moved.  No sense arguing with a carrier battle group. BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as well.  But you never know. Steve — / / / / / /

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     BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban      legend as well.  But you never know. There are earlier versions of this story, using signal lights. I’m sure it’s true, but it happened at least a hundred years ago. — http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html                                               -"Call me Fishmeal"-

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     BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban      legend as well.  But you never know. There are earlier versions of this story, using signal lights. I’m sure it’s true, but it happened at least a hundred years ago.

I can more easily believe a hundred years ago.  I’ve heard so many different versions of this story with the details being different that they all can’t be true.  Ever play whisper down the lane? Steve — / / / / / /

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     United States Ship Abraham Lincoln was NEVER involved in a radio exchange like that.  I have heard the story before, I will research to see if I can identify the vessel, if it was Navy. — Whenever, I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul…I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can.  This is my substitute for pistol and ball.  With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword, I quietly take to the ship.   Ishmael/Moby Dick

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call. If I were the lighthouse, I would have moved.  No sense arguing with a carrier battle group. BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as well.  But you never know.

It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today. Russ

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ROFLMAO ! — — Jim Never fight with a bear in his own cave.

|this is not rec.boats but it is boats and it s kinda funny also some |skippers may get a laugh or maby heard it ? |this is a transcript of an actual radio conversation of a US naval ship |with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland released |10-10-95 by the chief of naval operations | |US:  please divert your course 15 degrees to the north to avoid a |collision | |Canadians:  reccommend you divert your course 15 degrees to the south to |avoid a collision | |US:  this is the captain of a us navy ship i say again divert your |course | |Canadains: no i say again you divert your course | |US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in |the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three |destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you |change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or |countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship | |canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call.

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I am sure this is an urban legend, but it is still one hell of a good story — — Jim Never fight with a bear in his own cave.

| |[...] | US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in | the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three | destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you | change your course 15 degrees north that s one five degrees north or | countermeasures will be untertaken to insure the safety of this ship | | canadians: this is a lighthouse. your call. | |If I were the lighthouse, I would have moved.  No sense arguing with a carrier |battle group. | |BTW, I’ve heard stories like this before and I think they are urban legend as |well.  But you never know. | |Steve | |– |/ / / |/ / /

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Can it be an urban legend if it didn’t take place in a city? Just wondering. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am sure this is an urban legend, but it is still one hell of a good story — — Jim Never fight with a bear in his own cave. | |[...] | US: this is the aircraft carrier uss lincoln the second largest ship in | the united states atlantic fleet . we are accompanied by three | destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels . i demmand you

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a funny story, but c’mon.  A USN Carrier Battle Group:  The most technologically advanced hardware afloat anywhere with a highly trained crew that sails 24/7 as a way of life.  Mistaking a lighthouse for an approaching vessel.  Sorry, I’m not buying.  Not today. Well it wasn’t today, but its not that many years ago either, well on second thought a decade might be long to some.  On any account while enjoying a bit of whats known as holiday routine in that section of the planet known for its warmth and sunshine "Gonzo station" (the North Arabian Sea for the non navy types) my ship (I’ll leave the name out to save face) starts tracking a skunk (unknown surface radar contact) approaching the battle group at almost 40 knots.   At that speed the platform was considered to be a fast attack missile boat…in simple terms a threat.  The ship went to GQ (Battle Station) without the word even being passed, and the Carrier (USS Kitty Hawk) launched its ready 5 aircraft.  A few moments later from the other end of CIC (Combat Information Center) a voice rings out (I’ll leave the superlatives out) to one of the scope watches who evidently had accidently switched all the gyro information into the radar’s off.  Once the gyro signal was restored to the radar the skunk’s speed decreased to 12 knots which correlated to an outbound merchant. So even with the Tech stuff, things do go wrong. Might as well throw in quickly another funny incident aboard, One night the OOD calls CIC and the lookouts and commences to chew them out for not reporting anything about a light on the horizon.  The radar operators search but can’t locate anything on their scopes.  Then we hear….Bridge this is the forward lookout, please inform the OOD that the light he wanted to know about is the moon rising.

Jeez, whatya tryin’ to do, scare the bejeezus outa me?  The moon story I can easily understand because it is one guy suffering a temporary anal/cranal inversion (head up his arse).  But wouldn’t the skunk threat have been verified or denied by other vessels in the group before launching A/C?  Or was the radar temporarily fubared for the whole group? Russ

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Dustin, I don’t know how much time you have, but there is a place about a three or four hour drive north of Anchorage called Talkeetna.

(lots of good stuff snipped) Bill

Bill – I think Talkeetna is the best town I have ever encountered.  Anyhow, I was in that area last June, but unfortunately didn’t know about the Indian river, even though I had done a fair amount of research before the trip. I guess I missed a great side trip.  Nice to hear about it anyway. Mark Faulkner

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Hello Anglers, I am going up to alaska on a cruise and am looking for places to fish within driving distance of Anchorage or as a shore excursion at either Juneau, Ketchikan, or Skagway.  Any ideas?? Dustin

Dustin, I don’t know how much time you have, but there is a place about a three or four hour drive north of Anchorage called Talkeetna. From Thursday to Sunday a train runs daily into the back country and will let you off anywhere along its’ route. It follows the Indian River(salmon, rainbows, dollys, grayling, and probably other species I didn’t personally catch) and the ride itself is beautiful. I would highly recommend this trip, to the point of excluding other options or extending your trip to include it. I spent 3 weeks in Alaska and if I went back, that is where I would go. We camped overnite in the "Canyon" section of the Indian River, the spot we pitched our tent was within 100 feet of the tracks. Aside from the occasional train, complete solitude. You could flyfish nude and have sex wherever you want, without fear of prying eyes. I mention this only because the solitude brought on those kind of thoughts. The grayling came to dries readily, and it was fairly easy to spot fish. This, in my opinion, is a must do, even if you have to rent camping gear. There is also Montana Creek(actually a river) near Talkeetna, where I C&R’d a five pound ‘bow’. South of Anchorage there are alot of great spots on the Kenai Peninsula. Skagway is a bust for fishing. Juneau & Ketchikan I couldn’t tell you about. If you want more info, e-mail me phone too if you’d like. Bill

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Hello Anglers, I am going up to alaska on a cruise and am looking for places to fish within driving distance of Anchorage or as a shore excursion at either Juneau, Ketchikan, or Skagway.  Any ideas?? Dustin

Practically all the cruise ships have some spare time in most of the ports.  There will be an abundance of outfitters frequenting the ships wilh all type of wares including fishing trips.  They are usually short, overpriced, and usually in saltwater due to the schedule the cruise ships must maintain.  Don’t get me wrong, a cruise is a great way to see the southeast but a less than adequate way to fish it. Mac McCaskill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Anglers, I am going up to alaska on a cruise and am looking for places to fish within driving distance of Anchorage or as a shore excursion at either Juneau, Ketchikan, or Skagway.  Any ideas?? Dustin Practically all the cruise ships have some spare time in most of the ports.  There will be an abundance of outfitters frequenting the ships wilh all type of wares including fishing trips.  They are usually short, overpriced, and usually in saltwater due to the schedule the cruise ships must maintain.  Don’t get me wrong, a cruise is a great way to see the southeast but a less than adequate way to fish it. Mac McCaskill

I think Mac’s right.  I visited last summer, but not on a cruise.  There are places within driving distance of Anchorage, but it depends on what you mean by "driving distance".  For example, the Kenai Peninsula area is two-three hours each way, but that means a full (and long) day if you want to drive there, fish, say, the Russian River, and return to the ship.   I think it is Campbell Creek which runs right through Anchorage and has salmon runs – but which and when I don’t recall.  Depending on your time, you might want to contact a fly shop in Anchorage and see if a guide can be arranged through them.  There is a ton of stuff on the web about Alaska, so a few hours with your browser may get you some good information.  Finally, keep looking here, because I know there are folks on ROFF who know a lot about Alaska fishing. Mark Faulkner

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Hello Anglers, I am going up to alaska on a cruise and am looking for places to fish within driving distance of Anchorage or as a shore excursion at either Juneau, Ketchikan, or Skagway.  Any ideas?? Dustin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sharks are a totally insignificant part of boating and yet you pasting these exclusively in boating newsgroups.  Perhaps the folks in some of the natural history or hydrosciences would be more interested. I have to disagree. As both a sailor and scuba diver (planning an extended cruise in the Pacific) shark awareness is key. If I spent my life in fear of everything that was a 10 million to 1 shot I would just crawl under my bed and hide. Quite true. Agree 100% – but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t learn more about those risks. And frankly, for cruisers in the Pacific the odds of coming into direct contact with sharks seems much higher than 10,000,000:1. Knowing how to deal with them when you encounter them can help prevent the incident from becoming life threatening. Ignoring the issue does not help. J. OK, I’ll say it again.  The postings do little if anything to describe any form of action, avoidance or deterrence that can be applied.  This particular thread was started with an account of Miss Australia of 1950 losing an arm to a shark.  They are simply sensationalism with little content other than "isn’t it terrible"

Ahem! Was she Miss Aussie before or after the incident?

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Food for thought: There are millions of sharks eaten by humans for every human eaten by a shark!

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This is why "shark bites man" is better news material than "man bites shark". But I also fail to understand why the sensational takes precedence ofer the sensible. — Anders Svensson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Food for thought: There are millions of sharks eaten by humans for every human eaten by a shark!

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This guy is crossing posting to several newsgroups and receiving complaints in each.  He is trying to sell some sort of shark repellent that doesn’t always work, but it provides psychological support in an attack because it might work. I sell a magic bracelet that does exactly the same thing at a fraction of the cost. Bob

It is amazing to see how interested you are in all of my postings(as it would been easy for you to skip over them as soon as you saw my email address associated with them, but you didn’t). Guess what? You are wrong again as I have nothing to do with the sales/marketing of either technology at the moment. How  do you know what the SharkPOD can do(other then from accessing the Web site below)? You surely have never tested the SharkPOD before, have you? How do you know what the Australian technology can do as you have never tested that technology before either(I had heard that it is working very well with baited sharks off Australia as I am waiting to get hold of a prototype to use myself)? You sure have a lot to say when you have probably never even seen a shark underwater before(except for on your television). What’s the matter? Afraid that an effective shark repellent will take away the market share that your "magical bracelet" currently exploits? Regards, Jim Morris http://starbulletin.com/97/12/22/features/index.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sharks are a totally insignificant part of boating and yet you pasting these exclusively in boating newsgroups.  Perhaps the folks in some of the natural history or hydrosciences would be more interested. I have to disagree. As both a sailor and scuba diver (planning an extended cruise in the Pacific) shark awareness is key. If I spent my life in fear of everything that was a 10 million to 1 shot I would just crawl under my bed and hide. Quite true. Agree 100% – but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t learn more about those risks. And frankly, for cruisers in the Pacific the odds of coming into direct contact with sharks seems much higher than 10,000,000:1. Knowing how to deal with them when you encounter them can help prevent the incident from becoming life threatening. Ignoring the issue does not help. J. OK, I’ll say it again.  The postings do little if anything to describe any form of action, avoidance or deterrence that can be applied.  This particular thread was started with an account of Miss Australia of 1950 losing an arm to a shark.  They are simply sensationalism with little content other than "isn’t it terrible" Ahem! Was she Miss Aussie before or after the incident?

For anyone who believes that the threat from sharks should not be considered as a possibility when in a survival situation(depending on the venue), I refer you to the book, ADRIFT, which was written by Steve Callahan(who is now a writer/editor with CRUISING WORLD magazine). Mr. Callahan was adrift in a life raft(after his sailboat hit what he thought was a whale)for seventy plus days and was hounded by sharks! Mr. Callahan’s ordeal took place in the Atlantic/Caribbean and is eloquently described in his book, ADRIFT. For another example in the Pacific, what about the USS Indianapolis disaster where survivors of the initial sinking(the Indianapolis was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine)were ravaged by sharks as they floated in the ocean hopefully awaiting rescue? Please try to observe Memorial Day in some way. Best wishes, Jim Morris http://starbulletin.com/97/12/22/features/index.html

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Food for thought: There are millions of sharks eaten by humans for every human eaten by a shark!

And good food they are….

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Food for thought: There are millions of sharks eaten by humans for every human eaten by a shark! And good food they are….

Yes, but this is very small consolation to those humans. john

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I may not worry at all at 10 million to 1, but I have a personal rule of never trying anything that has less than a one in 10 thousand chance of resulting in death or permanent disability.

…is life sorta a bore?

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Sharks are a totally insignificant part of boating and yet you pasting these exclusively in boating newsgroups.  Perhaps the folks in some of the natural history or hydrosciences would be more interested.

I have to disagree. As both a sailor and scuba diver (planning an extended cruise in the Pacific) shark awareness is key. If I spent my life in fear of everything that was a 10 million to 1 shot I would just crawl under my bed and hide.

Quite true. Agree 100% – but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t learn more about those risks. And frankly, for cruisers in the Pacific the odds of coming into direct contact with sharks seems much higher than 10,000,000:1. Knowing how to deal with them when you encounter them can help prevent the incident from becoming life threatening. Ignoring the issue does not help. J.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sharks are a totally insignificant part of boating and yet you pasting these exclusively in boating newsgroups.  Perhaps the folks in some of the natural history or hydrosciences would be more interested. I have to disagree. As both a sailor and scuba diver (planning an extended cruise in the Pacific) shark awareness is key. If I spent my life in fear of everything that was a 10 million to 1 shot I would just crawl under my bed and hide. Quite true. Agree 100% – but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t learn more about those risks. And frankly, for cruisers in the Pacific the odds of coming into direct contact with sharks seems much higher than 10,000,000:1. Knowing how to deal with them when you encounter them can help prevent the incident from becoming life threatening. Ignoring the issue does not help. J.

OK, I’ll say it again.  The postings do little if anything to describe any form of action, avoidance or deterrence that can be applied.  This particular thread was started with an account of Miss Australia of 1950 losing an arm to a shark.  They are simply sensationalism with little content other than "isn’t it terrible"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sharks are a totally insignificant part of boating and yet you pasting these exclusively in boating newsgroups.  Perhaps the folks in some of the natural history or hydrosciences would be more interested. I have to disagree. As both a sailor and scuba diver (planning an extended cruise in the Pacific) shark awareness is key. If I spent my life in fear of everything that was a 10 million to 1 shot I would just crawl under my bed and hide. Quite true. Agree 100% – but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t learn more about those risks. And frankly, for cruisers in the Pacific the odds of coming into direct contact with sharks seems much higher than 10,000,000:1. Knowing how to deal with them when you encounter them can help prevent the incident from becoming life threatening. Ignoring the issue does not help. J. OK, I’ll say it again.  The postings do little if anything to describe any form of action, avoidance or deterrence that can be applied.  This particular thread was started with an account of Miss Australia of 1950 losing an arm to a shark.  They are simply sensationalism with little content other than "isn’t it terrible" Ahem! Was she Miss Aussie before or after the incident? For anyone who believes that the threat from sharks should not be considered as a possibility when in a survival situation(depending on the venue), I refer you to the book, ADRIFT, which was written by Steve Callahan(who is now a writer/editor with CRUISING WORLD magazine). Mr. Callahan was adrift in a life raft(after his sailboat hit what he thought was a whale)for seventy plus days and was hounded by sharks! Mr. Callahan’s ordeal took place in the Atlantic/Caribbean and is eloquently described in his book, ADRIFT. For another example in the Pacific, what about the USS Indianapolis disaster where survivors of the initial sinking(the Indianapolis was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine)were ravaged by sharks as they floated in the ocean hopefully awaiting rescue?

I know that sharks exist, I know that shars bite. I read ADRIFT.  I know that sharks can be a threat. When are you going to add something that goes beyond the above.

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If I spent my life in fear of everything that was a 10 million to 1 shot I would just crawl under my bed and hide.

Interesting…  I enjoyed the post anyways.  What are the actual chances of being attacked by a shark in:         1) known infested areas         2) the open ocean         3) worldwide I may not worry at all at 10 million to 1, but I have a personal rule of never trying anything that has less than a one in 10 thousand chance of resulting in death or permanent disability.

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<snip Is there some other newsgroup in which this would be more appropriate? Sharks are a totally insignificant part of boating and yet you pasting these exclusively in boating newsgroups.  Perhaps the folks in some of the natural history or hydrosciences would be more interested. If I spent my life in fear of everything that was a 10 million to 1 shot I would just crawl under my bed and hide. Since you are posting via dejanews from an earthlink account, I suspect this is some sort of bizarre troll.

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I am based in Los Angeles but had heard about that awful attack on the couple hanging on the anchor line where the gentleman pushed his newly-wed wife out of the way, and he was taken himself off of Australia. Hi Jim As much as I would love to help you with information I would be unable to put you in touch with the lady in question.  The reasons being in the past twelve months she has re-married and also had her first child a month ago. I really think she now has her tramatic experience behind her and is trying to get on with things.

That was a very harrowing experience for her, and I can understand how she would want for it to be behind her. However, your friend can take comfort in knowing that her husband really loved her in doing what he did for her. I did a shark dive last year at Nassau, Bahamas with a lady by the name of Heather Boswell. Before Heather attempted to do a shark dive with me for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY show(which was televised throughout the USA on July 13th, 1997), Heather had been attacked by a five meter plus white shark while she was swimming on the ocean surface over a hundred miles offshore of Chile. Heather was swimming with some friends in calm seas off of a NOAA research vessel that they were crewing on. A friend was videotaping them all in the water(and captured the attack on video in the process)when a huge dorsal fin appeared(Heather later indicated that it looked to be at least a meter tall above the water as it approached her). The shark started attacking a gentleman who was sitting upon some type of surfboard. He managed to drive it away by apparently poking the shark in the eye. The shark then turned its attention to Heather who was nearby in the water. Rescuers were trying to reach Heather in an inflatable boat which was dispatched from the larger NOAA vessel. They actually had a hold of her before the shark started to attack Heather. However, because of the sunscreen lotion that Heather was wearing, she slipped through the arms of the one of the rescuers, and the shark grabbed her leg and started to take her down into the depths. It was at that point that Heather felt sure she was going to die according to what she told me and NBC. She just wasn’t sure if she should intake water to drown herself or simply let the shark continue to eat her and die that way. Amazingly, the shark returned Heather to the surface at which point the rescuers were able to grab her again. However, this time the rescuers were in a "tug-of-war" with the shark, and Heather was the "rope". Heather heard a "popping sound"(thinking that her leg was being dislocated)as she broke free. However, once inside the boat, Heather looked down and saw that her leg had been bitten off at mid-thigh(Heather lost a lot of blood and almost died via exsanguination/shock). Meanwhile, the shark must have been very hungry as it started to attack another lady who was desperately trying to pull herself out of the water (using netting which was thrown over the side of the NOAA vessel). However, the lady was overweight and was having a very difficult time getting herself out of the water. At that time, a high-powered rifle was finally deployed to drive the shark away. It is assumed that the shark was killed, but this is not known for sure. I am all for the conservation of shark species worldwide. However, the above situation was an obvious exception. Over a year after the above attack, Heather showed amazing courage by accepting an invitation to shark dive with me in the Bahamas for the NBC WEEKEND TODAY television program. However, once the sharks appeared on scene with us at Nassau, Heather requested to discontinue the dive(understandably so). Nonetheless, her courage for even attempting the dive and the positive attitude that she radiates in her daily life are inspiration to us all. Eco continues about diver(newly-wed couple)who was killed by a white shark off of Australia: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of the US talkback shows contacted her some time back (they were doing a show on tragic widows) and offered to fly her over to appear but she clearly had no desire to go through the events again.  Understandably so. I do not have any clearer details of the attack except what I posted.  The attack happened at Byron Bay which is considered out of the usual territory of a white pointer (it was in warm water up north).  The attack was quick. They saw it on the bottom, her husband pushed her and by the time she managed to turn around she only felt the force of the sharks tail. I’ve forgotton the exact size but from what I can remember it was the max. for the species.  A fishing boat did later hook it, it was longer than the boat, and it dragged the boat for miles, it regurgitated some stomach contents and broke free. There was talk of it being a sick/rogue shark due to its location. I am most interested to see if such electronic shark repellent technology could have prevented the above attack. I was the first to test the SharkPOD in the USA(off the coast of Los Angeles for the Discovery Channel, "Next Step" television program which is to be broadcast internationally if it hasn’t been already-it has already been broadcast twice throughout the USA. Ron and Valerie Taylor were the first to test the SharkPOD in Australia. I had met them both in Singapore during the ADEC dive equipment trade show where the SharkPOD was first being released commercially. You’ve met Ron and Val Taylor !!!  Now they are shark lovers extraordinaire !!!!   That Val Taylor is one brave lady.  Amazingly dedicated couple.

Yes, I had met both of them and have been in touch with them via email from time to time. I am a fan of their work as well. For more detail on my SharkPOD testing, please access the Honolulu Star- Bulletin Newspaper article which I had appeared in throughout the Hawaiian Islands on December 22, 1997: http://starbulletin.com/97/12/22/features/index.html Sounds really exciting !   I remember seeing a show where they were investigating using  some sort of sonar "wall" instead of netting.   IE; transmitter placed and one point – receiver at other end further down the coastline to prevent sharks entering the swimming area.  They were testing the concept with some sort of sonar wand that repelled the sharks. It was tricky stuff as the shark had to get close enough for them to prod it with the want but it was trying to ascertain whether the idea would work.  Do you know of any developments with this??

Not really. But will look into it for you. I am all for anything that helps the sharks and other sea creatures.  Our shark nets over here are marine animal death traps.

Me too. Did you see my earlier post on how the shark netting program in South Africa was being reduced because of budget cuts to the Natal Sharks Board (which supervises the netting program there)? The Star-Bulletin article was mostly accurate. However, the SharkPOD is not a "sonic" device as the article mistakenly depicts in the opening paragraph. Instead, the SharkPOD emits a continuous, cocooning electrical field which is intended to protect from possible shark attack. I will soon be using another electronic shark repellent technology which is currently being developed in Australia(by another manufacturer)and is being billed as an even more effective electronic repellent than the SharkPOD. I will be using this Australian technology with tiger and grey reef sharks throughout the Hawaiian Islands. Also with tiger, bull and lemon sharks in the Bahamas. And with great white sharks off of Dyer Island, South Africa. Thank you for providing your information.  It was very interesting.  I have been lucky enough to encounter sharks while diving – something one doesn’t forget in a hurry !!

Agreed! Look forward to email exchanging with you again..

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I got a used rod from my dad who picked it up at a house auction and want to change from spin casting to fly fishing this spring. The rod is a 3pc bamboo ~9′ and was made by Union Hardware Co, Torrington, Conn. I can’t find any markings on it that would indicate the correct weight line, but am assuming 6-7 weight. I usually fish in small spring creeks & from a canoe paddling small lakes casting towards shore. Can i get away with 1 line? I was thinking of a slow sinking tip line. Can i use this rod for the type of fishing i do or should i purchase a 4- 5wt rod?  mark

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If you are only buying one line, get a floater. You can always use a neutral or slow sink leader but you can’t make a sinking line float properly. I don’t know much about bamboo rods but would have thought you would be better off with a carbon 5wt, probably 8 – 9 feet in length. — Regards Peter Kay (Remove "nospam" to email)

:I got a used rod from my dad who picked it up at a house auction and :want to change from spin casting to fly fishing this spring. : :The rod is a 3pc bamboo ~9′ and was made by Union Hardware Co, :Torrington, Conn. I can’t find any markings on it that would indicate the :correct weight line, but am assuming 6-7 weight. : :I usually fish in small spring creeks & from a canoe paddling small :lakes casting towards shore. Can i get away with 1 line? I was thinking f a slow sinking tip line. : :Can i use this rod for the type of fishing i do or should i purchase a 4- :5wt rod? : : mark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a used rod from my dad who picked it up at a house auction and want to change from spin casting to fly fishing this spring. The rod is a 3pc bamboo ~9′ and was made by Union Hardware Co, Torrington, Conn. I can’t find any markings on it that would indicate the correct weight line, but am assuming 6-7 weight. I usually fish in small spring creeks & from a canoe paddling small lakes casting towards shore. Can i get away with 1 line? I was thinking of a slow sinking tip line. Can i use this rod for the type of fishing i do or should i purchase a 4- 5wt rod?  mark

Mark,    First, since you indicated that you need line, anyway, take your rod in to a good fly fishing shop and ask what weight line would be appropriate.   (You might save a few bucks at a K-Mart, but you’re going to need some good advice, which you aren’t likely to find there, and nothing is tackier than buying goods from a discount store and then going to a fly shop for advice on how to use it.)   Also, you can find out how much the rod you have is worth; some older bamboo rods are too valuable for a beginner to be fishing with.    Second, no, if I had only one line, it wouldn’t be a sinking tip.    For a novice, a double tapered floating line is almost mandatory.   You can fish nymphs and such with a floating, but you can’t fish a dry fly with a sinking tip, and I can’t even imagine fly fishing without fishing drys (about 90% of the fun, to me).    Third, since you’re a novice, I’d try out the rod before decideing on whether or not the rod you have is perfectly suited for your type of fishing. You can always ‘fine tune’ later, and will appreciate new and better equipment even more.   (I can still remember my first graphite after years of bamboo and fiberglass…ahhhhhhh!) Good luck, Max http://www.inetarena.com/~mwi

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Mark, I would agree with Peter with the floating line, but I would really say that perhaps you are approaching this problem a little backwards.  First determine what type of fish you are fishing for and under what are the typical conditions then select the correct equipment.  What type of fish are you going to be fishing for?  Are you going to typically stick to the lake? What type of insects are available on the lake or stream?  Do you want to fish streamers, dries or wets?  I would say that once you can answer these types of questions, then the answer of the flyline becomes quite obvious. Hope that wasn’t a long roundabout answer to your question. Dana – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a used rod from my dad who picked it up at a house auction and want to change from spin casting to fly fishing this spring. The rod is a 3pc bamboo ~9′ and was made by Union Hardware Co, Torrington, Conn. I can’t find any markings on it that would indicate the correct weight line, but am assuming 6-7 weight. I usually fish in small spring creeks & from a canoe paddling small lakes casting towards shore. Can i get away with 1 line? I was thinking of a slow sinking tip line. Can i use this rod for the type of fishing i do or should i purchase a 4- 5wt rod? mark

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I’ve heard a lot about Boca Grande of late and thought I might like to check it out.  I would appreciate any recommendations of, or warnings about, lodging and guides. Thanks WAL

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TRY Boca Grande Real Estate.They can be found on the iternet Keyword Boca Grande. I have used them for six years ,great service and rentals are great.You can also find there 800# in Florida Sportsman. Email GOOD Luck

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TRY Boca Grande Real Estate.They can be found on the iternet Keyword Boca Grande. I have used them for six years ,great service and rentals are great.You can also find there 800# in Florida Sportsman. Email GOOD Luck

_______BOCA GRANDE is very expensive.  Your money is taken from you by the pound.  If you can, use a camper-trailer or mobil home.  The camp sites are much more reasonable and you can move around better.   George — MZ

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I’ve heard a lot about Boca Grande of late and thought I might like to check it out.  I would appreciate any recommendations of, or warnings about, lodging and guides. Thanks WAL

I have fished Boca Grande and its surrounding waters for many years.  In general, the island of Gasparilla, where the city of Boca Grande (named for the adjoining pass) is located, can be on the expensive side.  You might want to check out this site for Pine Island and surrounding areas. The northern tip of Pine Island is located just a few miles east of Boca Grande pass.  This site gives a particularly good description of the history and attractions of this general area. http://www.pineislandfl.com/ If you like roughing it, you might want to consider Cayo Costa (a Florida State Park). Cayo Costa is the barrier island that makes up the southern shore of Boca Grande pass.  Access to this island is by boat only, although there are frequent passenger ferry trips (no cars) from Pine Island.  See these sites: http://www.atlantagames.com./south/getaway/cayo.htm http://www.dep.state.fl.us/parks/southwest/cayo.html Boca Grande, the pass, is a major inlet to Charlotte Harbor. The pass itself is noted mostly for its Tarpon fishing which is at its best starting in late April thought early June.  The waters inside (east) of the pass, i.e. Charlotte Harbor and its tributaries and adjoining bays, are noted for some of the best backcountry fishing for Snook, Redfish, and Spotted Sea Trout (Speckled Trout) in this country.  There are many good guides in the area.  However, I usually guide myself and, with one exception, am not able to help you there.  Several years ago, I did hire a guide, a Captain Bill Miller, to take a visiting family member and myself for a day of backcountry fly fishing.  It was an excellent trip with many redfish and trout being caught (that’s what we were looking for) and we were impressed with the knowledge and skills of the guide. I don’t know if Bill is still guiding in the area or not, but he specializes in fly fishing for everything from tarpon to trout.  He even released a video tape several years ago that might still be avaliable. Its title is "The Complete Guide to Tarpon Fishing With Artificials". A good site for Boca Grande and Gasparilla Island can be found here: http://www.cyberstreet.com/ccfsbo/bocagran.htm Hope this helps…

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     I’ll be in the Old Forge, NY area during the last week in July. Does anyone know if it’s worth bringing my flyrod?

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Yes it is if you have an opportunity to fish Nicks Lake. You will need a canoe (which can be rented from Tickners in Old Forge), since motors are not allowed on Nicks. Heavily stocked with brown and brook trout. Throw on a size #18 adams and have fun.

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Definately check out the West Canada Creek when you’re in Old Forge.  Late July, most of August you’ll likely find prolific hatches of what are locally called "whiteflies".  Size 12-14-16 light cahills work fine.  Good luck!

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Hi Mike,              Try Rick or Wally at On The Fly in Monkton/Hereford.  They can steer  you in the right direction on both salt and freshwater fly fishing. JV

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Capt Brady Bounds 1-800-400-3790 gave an excellent presentation at a recent fly fishing show and is very knowledgable.

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I’m looking at Jet Boats for Klamath River. How is important is a center console and how big a boat and how much HP needed for two adult fisherman, opinions appreciated?

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I’m looking at jet boats for the Klamath river, CA. How important is a center console and what do you think is an adequate msize boat & motor for tow adults? All, opinions appreciated.

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Whew!…I allways get shakey when I see a post for jet boats!….they are a major nusiance on some rivers here in Montana…for that matter any motorized boat is a nusiance on a river(of wading size)….we had a clown in a boat down on the lower clark fork one summer…he would cruise at nearly full trottle up and down the river all day long…if you were wading and didn’t get out of the water quickly his wake would come up over your wader tops…it would put rising fish down for 15-20 minutes…and just when they got back on the fin, he’d come zooming back down the river…a lot of flyfisherman were talking about this guy that summer and threatening to strangle him!

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I don’t know about MT laws, but in WA this will get the guy a big fine. A person in waders is considered a SWIMER, and requires boats to maintain a 100 yard distance or be below 5 MPH.  Not sure on the exact distance in all cases, but the lakes around here enforce 100 yds. Also, any boat is ALWAYS responsible for its wake.  Check laws, and if you can’t get a local law officer out, get a few buddies togeather, get the guys boat number and personal ID.  If he blows you off at this point he will be in bigger trouble.  File a complaint at the local agency.  May require a day in court, but I bet he will learn the lesson very quickly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Whew!…I allways get shakey when I see a post for jet boats!….they are a major nusiance on some rivers here in Montana…for that matter any motorized boat is a nusiance on a river(of wading size)….we had a clown in a boat down on the lower clark fork one summer…he would cruise at nearly full trottle up and down the river all day long…if you were wading and didn’t get out of the water quickly his wake would come up over your wader tops…it would put rising fish down for 15-20 minutes…and just when they got back on the fin, he’d come zooming back down the river…a lot of flyfisherman were talking about this guy that summer and threatening to strangle him!

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Hey, Mellow out!!    Jet boats are like mt bikes, 200 watt stereos and fly fishing "experts". A little abuse and social ineptitude can go a long ways. Several days ago I was on the Yuba when a couple of kids came fishing through with spinning gear. A flyfishing expert (in his own mind) yelled to me, "some day these guys will earn how to REALLY fish". I’m sure it just made their day.    I’ve got a 16′ aluminum jon style river boat with a 40hp outboard jet on it. I’ve had (and still have) whalers, drift boats, canoes, float tubes, kayaks, ad nauseum. . . and nothing has come close in terms of flyfishing versatility to this little jet job.  It’s quite, leaves a flat wake, floats on dew, and can fish me anywhere in the Sacramento Delta, the San Francisco Bay or on any boatable lake or river on the West coast. Just because it can go 35mph doesn’t mean it has too. It has a trolling motor and oar locks and I put just about as many miles on the thing with the motor out of the water as I do with it in.    As far as the answer to the original question, I don’t know . . . never been on that river in a jet. As far as all of the responses to the guy’s query. . . get a life.    Tight lines, Ralph —

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The absolute best jet boat on a wadeable stream is aluminum, has a large hole in the hull slightly aft of the bow, a dead engine and is on a trailer heading for somewhere else.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Get a life..exactly…and keep motor boats off Montana ’s rivers!

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:    I’ve got a 16′ aluminum jon style river boat with a 40hp outboard jet : on it. I’ve had (and still have) whalers, drift boats, canoes, float : tubes, kayaks, ad nauseum. . . and nothing has come close in terms of : flyfishing versatility to this little jet job.   I too, like the idea of jetting to a great spot to fish, but what do you think the boat does to the fish you pass over?  I’ll bet they hide for hours afterward.  This can happen on the Salmon in Idaho.  Knee deep in beautiful water and then a jet boat goes through.  Might as well hang it up, because the fish go down… It probably soesn’t matter as much on the bigger rivers.  But I don’t know… the Salmon collects from one of the largest drainages in America. I think I prefer to go upstream and pontoon boat down.  I’ll buy my first boat this year.  It seems this approach would disturb the fish much less.  Opinions? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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About 6 mos ago I hit a reference on the net to a study that the state of Alaska had initiated.  Basically, they were going to look at the effects of jet boat traffic on spawning chinook.  The study was going to focus on small (undefined) waters.  The concern was that the heavy traffic in some areas was adversley impacting the fish.  Unfortunately, I no longer have the reference to the site or the study.  Might check on Alaska DFG site. Power boating is apparently an issue in New Zealand (Simon Lusk, chip in here please).  As part of the scenic river plan for the Deschutes River, a literature search was done about 3 years ago and at that time, the only studies on impacts of jet boats on fish, riparian habitat, bank degradation etc. that were found had been done in NZ.  It does appear that in some instances there can be an impact on sediment displacement/load in shoreside areas and bank erosion from wave wash. In addition to habitat issues, there is a growing concern about conflict between user groups as use becomes more intensive, particularly on smaller or more confined waters such as most of the water we fish for trout.  Urban planners dealt with a similiar problem a long time ago…There are not many cities in this country that DON’T have one-way streets…. On big water such as the Snake, other considerations are raised…is "wild and scenic" compatible with 300hp 40mph, ??decible power boat traffic?  The Forest Service and the non-powerboating public thinks not.  See new boat traffic regs on Snake.  The Deschutes River (lower river) has power boat free weeks during the season and there is a lot of pressure to remove them entirely.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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What follows is an e-mail response to a post on Jet Boats.  "Bogus"=counterfeit, fake.  Sorry, it was a real post, I realy did post it, you realy did read it.  I am still looking to see exactly where my occupation is listed however.  Not too long ago I heard a fairly well respected guide and author tell a jet boat owner that was a bit unhappy about regulations on powerboats that he should consider selling his mega foot mega horspower jet boat for mega dollars and investing the proceeds in an education…..then maybe he wouldn’t feel compelled to turn every body of running water into a drag strip. I would appreciate any references to studies, bogus or otherwise, that indicate that the use of jet boats in confined waters is beneficial to fish or habitat. The only bogus study involving jet boats that I am aware of also involved bass boats.  A study of boat owning penile transplant candidates indicated that over 65% of them owned either jet sleds or bass boats.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane hi.com Your post concerning JET Boat studies & spawning is BOGUS.Do your research before making such BS Claims. Perhaps if you spent some time at a job that afforded your more economic return(and less time clogging the net with this bulll shit) you might some get to the best fishing in a jet Boat. "When the Trout are lost" i’ts your fault for allowing it to happen !

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