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Sierra Trading Post has some good prices right now on winter time clothes. I got some silk long johns, marino woolshirts etc. Shipping was prompt etc. I’ve always stopped in their store when I was in Casper but I just found their website. They carry quality outdoor clothing at substantial discounts. I’m not affiliated with them at all just like the quality and price on what they carry.     http://www.sierratradingpost.com/ Willi

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Just got an "Ott Light" for my tying table.  Been using my wife’s for a few months.  I love this thing.  The light is more natural that incandescent or florescent bulbs and I find I don’t need the magnifier on some of the flies that I used to use.  If you know a tyer, its a great gift (or put one on your own list.).       Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sierra Trading Post has some good prices right now on winter time clothes. I got some silk long johns, marino woolshirts etc. Shipping was prompt etc. I’ve always stopped in their store when I was in Casper but I just found their website. They carry quality outdoor clothing at substantial discounts. I’m not affiliated with them at all just like the quality and price on what they carry. http://www.sierratradingpost.com/ Willi

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Gentlemen, I would sincerely appreciate any advice for purchasing a winter "all – around"  but primarily fly fishing Gore-Tex type rain jacket.  It does not need to be Gore-Tex name brand just something similar and would like it to be an outdoor color, either solid brown, tan or camo would be suffice,  I would also like it to be more than just a shell so it will not only keep me dry but warm as well.  I do already layer properly with thinsulate and fleece but need something a little heavier for the very coldest of days in winter.  I live and fish primarily in Maryland and will begin shortly to fish in PA and WV.  I would also be glad to hear of any other suggestions for staying comfortable through the winter season. (Besides staying indoors) Sadly I can not afford top of the line products but anything in the $150.00 to $200.00 would be great. Thanks in advance, Tony Norton

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Tony I have the old Bare sharkskin and it works fine.  The newer Bare models are olive and may be a bit higher than your price range but worth checking out. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Being in that part of the country it should be easy to get a military issue gortex field jacket WITH a liner.  I live in Ky and we can usually get them at Fort Knox for about 150.00 dollars.  I guess the key to this is knowing someone in the military who can get you this stuff. Being close to Ft. Meade and various other places it shouldnt be to hard for you.  If you know someone in the reserves they can get it for you.  I got all the clothing that I needed just before I got out except for the Gortex field jacket and I wish I would have gotten one myself. Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gentlemen, I would sincerely appreciate any advice for purchasing a winter "all – around"  but primarily fly fishing Gore-Tex type rain jacket.  It does not need to be Gore-Tex name brand just something similar and would like it to be an outdoor color, either solid brown, tan or camo would be suffice,  I would also like it to be more than just a shell so it will not only keep me dry but warm as well.  I do already layer properly with thinsulate and fleece but need something a little heavier for the very coldest of days in winter.  I live and fish primarily in Maryland and will begin shortly to fish in PA and WV.  I would also be glad to hear of any other suggestions for staying comfortable through the winter season. (Besides staying indoors) Sadly I can not afford top of the line products but anything in the $150.00 to $200.00 would be great. Thanks in advance, Tony Norton

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   I live about 3 miles from Ft. Meade and have found quite a few places where one can get the military gortex (mostly in Glen Burnie). I love the stuff.  Super durable and is relatively comfortable.  Gotex makes a spray that can reseal the gortex if its getting old.  A used jacket and the spray will be about half the price of the new.  Try Sunnies stores, there’s one on Richie Hwy north of 100.   If you don’t buy the military, make sure the seams are double stitched and sealed.  All pocket zippers should zip down to close and have a weather flap over the top.  If there is a hood, ensure that the hood is attached about halfway up the colar.  This will keep the wet off your neck when you take the hood off.  Make sure it is lined.  Gortex can be like a tent, if you touch it with your hand on the inside while it is wet, the damp can come through.  I don’t like the net linings, a good nylon taffeta inner is good.        Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Being in that part of the country it should be easy to get a military issue gortex field jacket WITH a liner.  I live in Ky and we can usually get them at Fort Knox for about 150.00 dollars.  I guess the key to this is knowing someone in the military who can get you this stuff. Being close to Ft. Meade and various other places it shouldnt be to hard for you.  If you know someone in the reserves they can get it for you.  I got all the clothing that I needed just before I got out except for the Gortex field jacket and I wish I would have gotten one myself. Roger Gentlemen, I would sincerely appreciate any advice for purchasing a winter "all – around"  but primarily fly fishing Gore-Tex type rain jacket.  It does not need to be Gore-Tex name brand just something similar and would like it to be an outdoor color, either solid brown, tan or camo would be suffice,  I would also like it to be more than just a shell so it will not only keep me dry but warm as well.  I do already layer properly with thinsulate and fleece but need something a little heavier for the very coldest of days in winter.  I live and fish primarily in Maryland and will begin shortly to fish in PA and WV.  I would also be glad to hear of any other suggestions for staying comfortable through the winter season. (Besides staying indoors) Sadly I can not afford top of the line products but anything in the $150.00 to $200.00 would be great. Thanks in advance, Tony Norton

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Tony check out the Solitude "Ultima" jacket. I picked one up and it’s worked great for me I do a bit a fishing in the winter and I try to catch the ice-outs up north so I’ve worn it in some pretty crappy weather. It runs about $200, the compant compares it to the Simms model priced a bit higher. You can check it out at their sight http://www.solitude.com. Good luck, Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gentlemen, I would sincerely appreciate any advice for purchasing a winter "all – around"  but primarily fly fishing Gore-Tex type rain jacket.  It does not need to be Gore-Tex name brand just something similar and would like it to be an outdoor color, either solid brown, tan or camo would be suffice,  I would also like it to be more than just a shell so it will not only keep me dry but warm as well.  I do already layer properly with thinsulate and fleece but need something a little heavier for the very coldest of days in winter.  I live and fish primarily in Maryland and will begin shortly to fish in PA and WV.  I would also be glad to hear of any other suggestions for staying comfortable through the winter season. (Besides staying indoors) Sadly I can not afford top of the line products but anything in the $150.00 to $200.00 would be great. Thanks in advance, Tony Norton

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http://www.inthebite.com We are currently covering the 17th Annual Treasure Cay International Billfish Tournament and Our very own Robert "The Fly" Navorro is covering the 1st Annual June Moon Tournament in St.Thomas. Check in daily to see updates and results. Next week we round out the Bahamas Billfish Championships in Boat Harbour. This should be exciting to see who will win the 2000 title. Tournament updates will continue and in the near future we will have a system where you will be able to choose the tournaments updates of your choice. InTheBite.com http://www.inthebite.com The Crews Source

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I’m taking an intermediate fly-fishing class at our local university this Saturday.  :-) Good idea?  Yes. They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)?

This class covers entomology, learning to read the water, river and lake methodology, and casting clinic for corrections.  It’s just one of those extra classes not for any degree. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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Sid’s ded, but Messrs. Cook and Lydon can be had…Anyone know where Biafra is at?

I’m not dead, man. Now where’s that damn Nancy? I coulda sworn she was just here…. – sid

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They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)? I think they’ve had fly fishing offered at Penn State for many years. Maybe Frogspritz can shed some light on this.

By the most remarkable coincidence, I was at a TU picnic with Frogspritz, aka Mark Faulkner, a coupla hours ago. As  you may have noticed, he has been too busy loyering lately to be on the net.  So perhaps I may be permitted to respond. All undergraduate students at PSU, except veterans and perhaps a few others, must take a couple of credits in physical education.  I think that’s true of most colleges and universities. Many many years ago, before most of you were born, (almost before *I* was born), George Harvey began teaching fly casting and tying as one of the many physical education courses.  That was mentioned in George Leonard Herter’s book on fly tying, published at least 30 years ago. To the best of my knowledge, neither a BA, a BS, an MA, an MS, nor a Ph.D. in fly fishing is offered.   I’m happy to report that George Harvey was also at the picnic, in good health. vince norris

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Many many years ago, before most of you were born, (almost before *I* was born), George Harvey began teaching fly casting and tying as one of the many physical education courses.  That was mentioned in George Leonard Herter’s book on fly tying, published at least 30 years ago. I’m happy to report that George Harvey was also at the picnic, in good health.

Wow, he’s got to be almost 90, that’s cool.  Joe Humphreys told me it was George who passed the baton to him for teaching the fly fishing course.  If I remember right he just recently retired (Joe).  I wonder if anyone is, or will be, teaching next.  Wish my school had that.  Shouldn’t gripe though, I got a credit for spending a long weekend at a beautiful Adirondack lodge on Racquette Lack cross country skiing and hanging by the fireplace with a bunch of girls I hadn’t met yet. Those were the days….. Regards, Jeff

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Hi guys! I drive by a river on most days, and I keep thinking…. hmmmmm I would love to try fly fishing…. But of course I dont know the first thing.. is there any resourses I should look at? I found sites with stuff, that I will need ot get started, but what about technique? is it something special? or back and forth?

It’s a _little_ more involved than that. You also have to remember that you’re supposed to be having fun instead of stressing. Seriously, though, we’re fishermen, and therefore opinionated bastards who will turn any question into a holy war. Try to remember that it’s nothing personal. I recommend a real live casting lesson. If you can find a guide who will include one in a day’s guiding, that might be even better. If not, ask at a local fly shop. I tried to teach myself from a video from Orvis, and I’m not entirely happy with that method. As far as gear…for starter gear, I would personally look at St. Croix, Cabelas, or the lower-end Sage rods.  If you can find a local shop that stocks them and doesn’t hard-sell the more expensive stuff, then go there. But remember: fly shops are all too often trying to sell rods, rather than selling you the _right_ rod for your needs. (I knew one exception, in Overland Park, KS. But supposedly there’s a really good one in Loveland, CO, if you’re anywhere near there.) "My father said to be strong, ‘that a good man could  never do wrong’ in a dream I had last night in America"                             -Los Lobos

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I’m happy to report that George Harvey was also at the picnic, in good health. Wow, he’s got to be almost 90, that’s cool.  Joe Humphreys told me it was George who passed the baton to him for teaching the fly fishing course.

That’s right. If I remember right he just recently retired (Joe).

 Joe retired ten or so years ago, IIRC. He was succeeded by Vance McCullough, who either retired or just left the faculty to run a bar-restaurant (mostly a student hangout) with his brother. I’ve heard the name of the present instructor, but I don’t recall it. vince norris

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   see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice.  *we* can be nice!  isn’t that nice?

Snip a bunch of nice shit. All this nice shit is enough to make me want to dye my hair pink, join a punk rock band and throw up on the audience. Big Dale

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       see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice.  *we* can be nice!  isn’t that nice? Snip a bunch of nice shit. All this nice shit is enough to make me want to dye my hair pink, join a punk rock band and throw up on the audience. Big Dale

KEEEEWL….Can I play bass?  If you gots a bass player, can I play harpsicord? Got my Funksteiner all tuned, my Rit and safety pins, and ready to go….Sid’s ded, but Messrs. Cook and Lydon can be had…Anyone know where Biafra is at? JELLO…is you out there? GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND HER FACIST REGIME!!! we gonna make jake and elwood look like pikers!

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I’m taking an intermediate fly-fishing class at our local university this Saturday.  :-) Good idea?  Yes.

They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Nice post, Wayne. Willi

Nice of you to go the trouble to post that, Willi. Regards, Jeff

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They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)?

I think they’ve had fly fishing offered at Penn State for many years. Maybe Frogspritz can shed some light on this. Mu

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They teach flyfishing at a university? Do they offer advanced degrees? Can you get a PhD in flyfishing? Are you studying entomology and physics (i.e., casting)? I think they’ve had fly fishing offered at Penn State for many years. Maybe Frogspritz can shed some light on this.

Oregon State has had it for at least the last 8 years.  Never took it oddly enough, saw them out casting to the "grass trout" on sunny days though.      - Ken

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I believe you may have struck a nerve, Vern!  However, I must say you egged this one on. So much for the niceness that Wayne Harrison wrote about. Let the *Games* begin. Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The URL is on my web-site which is bellow.  Other than that, I’m not going to say a word.  Is that okay with you Ken? Oh, blow it out yer ass, you despicable cretin. — Ken Fortenberry

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        see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice.  *we* can be nice!  isn’t that nice?  oh, god, it’s so nice!!  and now the entire web will know us as nice guys!  and all our sins of arrogance and impatience will be forgiven, all because ken is nice, now!  and maybe dozens of nice guys will learn about how nice it is to flyfish, and how nice the guys who flyfish really are!  and, with luck, they will come in their thousands to fish with us, bringing their children, and their golden labs, all driving relentlessly toward the fast running blue cold water, driving in their discos and ‘ru’s and ernie bauers, until we join together in one surging mass of deliriously happy nice people, all wealthy, healthy and wise, because we are, in the final analysis, so deeply *nice*!

Nice post, Wayne. Willi

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Deleted some good advice I recommend seeking out a mentor, a flyfishing friend or some willing member of a local Trout Unlimited or Federation of Fly Fishers chapter to teach you the basics. Failing that, hire a guide that’s willing to teach you the rudiments.

Finding someone to help you will definitely save you alot of trial and error, mostly error. I had been fly fishing on and off for a number of years before I found another fly fisherman to fish with (my family were spin fishermen). I learned the first couple of days fishing with this person than I had learned over several years on my own and through reading. Back to watch the Avs beat the Wings Willi

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 see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice.

Nah.  Some alien stole Ken’s keyboard and his body…….OH and chiggers with a fucking ALIEN!!!  Oh man, I DON’T wanna do this anymore!

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       see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice.  *we* can be nice!  isn’t that nice? Snip a bunch of nice shit. All this nice shit is enough to make me want to dye my hair pink, join a punk rock band and throw up on the audience. Big Dale

LMAO! Man, *that’s* imagery! /daytripper (bringing a rain coat to NC for sure ;^)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice.  *we* can be nice!  isn’t that nice? Snip a bunch of nice shit. All this nice shit is enough to make me want to dye my hair pink, join a punk rock band and throw up on the audience. Big Dale KEEEEWL….Can I play bass?  If you gots a bass player, can I play harpsicord? Got my Funksteiner all tuned, my Rit and safety pins, and ready to go….Sid’s ded, but Messrs. Cook and Lydon can be had…Anyone know where Biafra is at? JELLO…is you out there? GOD SAVE THE QUEEN AND HER FACIST REGIME!!! we gonna make jake and elwood look like pikers!

Remember, the drummer gets to choke to death on someone else’s vomit! Squiggy

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The URL is on my web-site which is bellow.  Other than that, I’m not going to say a word.  Is that okay with you Ken?

Oh, blow it out yer ass, you despicable cretin. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi guys! I drive by a river on most days, and I keep thinking…. hmmmmm I would love to try fly fishing…. But of course I dont know the first thing.. is there any resourses I should look at? I found sites with stuff, that I will need ot get started, but what about technique? is it something special? or back and forth? Thanks in Advance Dan

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Hi guys! I drive by a river on most days, and I keep thinking…. hmmmmm I would love to try fly fishing…. But of course I dont know the first thing.. is there any resourses I should look at? I found sites with stuff, that I will need ot get started, but what about technique? is it something special? or back and forth?

We generally recommend the _Curtis Creek Manifesto_ by Sheridan Anderson   Frank Amato Pubns; ISBN: 0936608064 and a trip to your local flyshop for gear help. Lately some folks have been recommending inexpensive mail order gear. Flyfishermen tend to be an opinionated and cantankerous lot so you’ll probably not find a consensus on this topic, or any other for that matter, in this forum. We do have a FAQ and hopefully someone that knows the URL will point you to it. I recommend seeking out a mentor, a flyfishing friend or some willing member of a local Trout Unlimited or Federation of Fly Fishers chapter to teach you the basics. Failing that, hire a guide that’s willing to teach you the rudiments. Good luck. — Ken Fortenberry

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We do have a FAQ and hopefully someone that knows the URL will point you to it.

The URL is on my web-site which is bellow.  Other than that, I’m not going to say a word.  Is that okay with you Ken? — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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I would try checking out your local video store or public library for an "intro to flyfishing" video. There’s alot more than just "back and forth", although you’d never guess it by reading ROFF…

I’m taking an intermediate fly-fishing class at our local university this Saturday.  :-) Good idea?  Yes. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -We generally recommend the _Curtis Creek Manifesto_ by Sheridan Anderson   Frank Amato Pubns; ISBN: 0936608064 and a trip to your local flyshop for gear help. Lately some folks have been recommending inexpensive mail order gear. Flyfishermen tend to be an opinionated and cantankerous lot so you’ll probably not find a consensus on this topic, or any other for that matter, in this forum. We do have a FAQ and hopefully someone that knows the URL will point you to it. I recommend seeking out a mentor, a flyfishing friend or some willing member of a local Trout Unlimited or Federation of Fly Fishers chapter to teach you the basics. Failing that, hire a guide that’s willing to teach you the rudiments. Good luck. — Ken Fortenberry

        see, goddammit, ken *can* be nice.  *we* can be nice!  isn’t that nice?  oh, god, it’s so nice!!  and now the entire web will know us as nice guys!  and all our sins of arrogance and impatience will be forgiven, all because ken is nice, now!  and maybe dozens of nice guys will learn about how nice it is to flyfish, and how nice the guys who flyfish really are!  and, with luck, they will come in their thousands to fish with us, bringing their children, and their golden labs, all driving relentlessly toward the fast running blue cold water, driving in their discos and ‘ru’s and ernie bauers, until we join together in one surging mass of deliriously happy nice people, all wealthy, healthy and wise, because we are, in the final analysis, so deeply *nice*!         wayno

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You guys (meant respectfully, plurally, and either gender) were great when I asked about your candidates for the best vise going. Now, if you will take me out of my misery again, this time… please … Which wader. Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather? I know from previous posts that many of you swear by Orvis, while others — at least one among you — swore by Simms. I lean toward Simms but wonder if they are worth the money. There is quite a price spread. I’m inclined to spring for the difference if justified because my nylons are beginning to look they came out of a glue pot. And, thinking of another recent thread, does anyone selling Simms blink on the price. Larry R (About the thread on vises: I wanted to check out the Darnica, or Danica, but couldn’t find it anywhere. Someone said Orvis sells it under a different name, but I couldn’t tell because their vises all seem to have recognizable brands.)

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I too am an Oregonian and began using Neoprenes with the old James Scott unlined ones….great smell to them after a couple of outings, sort of like the Chicago stockyards on a hot August day.  With the advent of breathables I’d never wear another Neoprene wader, winter or summer…breathables all the way, in the summer a pair of light weight capilene long johns to keep the moisture off the skin and prevent a case of rosy red ass from cropping up on the 3d or 4th day of a trip. When it is really cold (like the Sandy in January, Idaho in October ) Patagonia Expedition weight long johns or lt. long johns under a lt. wt capilene pant is the ticket for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys (meant respectfully, plurally, and either gender) were great when I asked about your candidates for the best vise going. Now, if you will take me out of my misery again, this time… please … Which wader. Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather? I know from previous posts that many of you swear by Orvis, while others — at least one among you — swore by Simms. I lean toward Simms but wonder if they are worth the money. There is quite a price spread. I’m inclined to spring for the difference if justified because my nylons are beginning to look they came out of a glue pot. And, thinking of another recent thread, does anyone selling Simms blink on the price. Larry R (About the thread on vises: I wanted to check out the Darnica, or Danica, but couldn’t find it anywhere. Someone said Orvis sells it under a different name, but I couldn’t tell because their vises all seem to have recognizable brands.)

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tom McGuane

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Which wader.

I haven’t tried the breathables yet, I think the jury is still out on those, some seem to like them some don’t. Last year I decided that my old Hodgeman neo’s had shrunk enough (:-)) and that I needed a larger size. I had a LL Bean gift certificate that was a Christmas present so I went down to Freeport and got fitted for a nice pair of waders. Compared to my old Hodgeman’s these things are fantastic. Guess I’m a neoprene guy, but then I float tube in some pretty darn cold water and I can’t imagine using a pair of breathables for that purpose. Under the neo’s I wear a pair of polypro johhnies that I got on sale at the Fly shop in Greenville Maine…this has turned out to be the best setup I’ve had yet. Flyfish

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Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather…

I tested the Simms Goretex on 2 trips to Alaska this year. When wading in knee-deep darn-cold water, and while hiking, they were far better than neoprene.  When in waist-deep darn-cold water, even with 300 polartec pants and wool socks, I started to chill quickly.  When sitting in a semi-cold wet raft, those portions of the waders that were in contact with the raft or other objects lost their functionality, and it seemed like wet-spots were forming on the inside of the waders and there was zero heat retention. During one day of rafting I was on the verge of hypothermia in the Simms Goretex whereas I’m 100% sure I would have been warm in neoprene. My overall take is this.  All breathable waders are good *if and only if* they get a change to breath and vent off any moisture buildup which would otherwise wick warmth away from the body. Time-extended or deep wading, or sitting or leaning on surfaces causes moisture buildup followed by rapid heat loss.  Neoprene on the other hand might get damp inside from sweat, but its a "warm damp". As I resume winter steelheading, I’ll be back in the neoprene. Thomas Gilg

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I have the 3.5 mil neoprene waders, and find them to be uncomfortably warm most of the time in Oregon.  If I was getting out often enough to justify the price, I’d get a set of lightweight breathable ones and a pair of fleece pants to wear underneath in colder conditions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather?

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When Neoprenes are too hot, why not wade wet? Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have the 3.5 mil neoprene waders, and find them to be uncomfortably warm most of the time in Oregon.  If I was getting out often enough to justify the price, I’d get a set of lightweight breathable ones and a pair of fleece pants to wear underneath in colder conditions. Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather?

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I used to wade wet in the summer, but the snow melt in the Sierras can be very cold, so I started using lightweight stocking foot hip waders and never get too warm or too cold. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -When Neoprenes are too hot, why not wade wet? Willi I have the 3.5 mil neoprene waders, and find them to be uncomfortably warm most of the time in Oregon.  If I was getting out often enough to justify the price, I’d get a set of lightweight breathable ones and a pair of fleece pants to wear underneath in colder conditions.

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re breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc.

I believe the breathables are as good or better than neoprenes in the winter provided the appropiate undergarments are worn. I usually wear a pair of long underwear and depending upon the weather and mood, flannel lined jeans or fleece pants and good socks (wool usually). Are breathables okay in very warm weather?

Yes as long as your in the water. They may breathe but on a hot day, waders are still waders when walking back out. I know from previous posts that many of you swear by Orvis, while others — at least one among you — swore by Simms. I lean toward Simms but wonder if they are worth the money. There is quite a price spread. I’m inclined to spring for the difference if justified because my nylons are beginning to look they came out of a glue pot.

I swear by Simms. and as far as I’m concerned, comparing them to other *cheaper* breathable waders I’ve seen, there is no comparison.  But there are other good brands coming out or are out (Patagonia, LL Bean, Ronny, etc). I think you first need to decide Gore Tex or not. Simms is gore tex, Orvis is not. Not saying that one is better than the other, but the gore tex stuff often carries a premium. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I wear my breathables only in the summer and ony for wading. Not for belly boating. I ran into a pair of old guys (70s) who were wearing breathables with long johns and several other layers in the dead of winter. I were 3mm in the early fall and 5 mm in the winter and in the spring belly boating with more or less layers underneath. Breathables are much more comfortable and I’d wear them all the time if I didn’t suffer urinary types of distress when I cold soak my ah…crotch. I’ve got the LL Bean bullet proof breathables with Kevlar since I do lots of bushwhacking through stuff that rips up normal breathables or neoprenes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys (meant respectfully, plurally, and either gender) were great when I asked about your candidates for the best vise going. Now, if you will take me out of my misery again, this time… please … Which wader. Are breathables as good as neoprene in cold weather, if you wear longjohns (or whatever) under them? In very cold weather? I fish Oregon rivers and will be going to Wyoming at the end of October. Yellowstone, etc. Are breathables okay in very warm weather? I know from previous posts that many of you swear by Orvis, while others — at least one among you — swore by Simms. I lean toward Simms but wonder if they are worth the money. There is quite a price spread. I’m inclined to spring for the difference if justified because my nylons are beginning to look they came out of a glue pot. And, thinking of another recent thread, does anyone selling Simms blink on the price. Larry R (About the thread on vises: I wanted to check out the Darnica, or Danica, but couldn’t find it anywhere. Someone said Orvis sells it under a different name, but I couldn’t tell because their vises all seem to have recognizable brands.)

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<tale of woe snipped Sounds like a case of bad layering techniques.  Try wearing something that will keep you dry and allow the moisture to escape.  Wearing materials that absorb and keep water is not something one would consider appropriate for wearing under breathables. I have found wearing fleece to be most comfortable.  I know the winters here in Montana don’t get as cold as Alaska, but it does get colder than a witches tit in a brass bra here.  On extremely cold days I still slip into my neoprenes, but for the most part I wear my breathables and just layer myself underneath. With proper layering you will stay warm and dry and not have any sad tales to tell. Here is an example of what I wear: 2  sets of long johns 1 set of fleece bibs 1 pair of sweats pants 2 pair of heavy wool socks 1 sweatshirt 1 fleece jacket 1 Gore-Tex jacket to stop wind / keep dry With this setup I am comfortable on those really cold days.  Other times I don’t need as much and find myself shedding an upper layer or two. The key is wearing materials that don’t absorb and hold water close to the skin. Hope this helps.  Stay warm. Warren

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Agree with most of your post except the part about sweat pants and sweatshirt. Most of these are made of cotton and cotton loses its ability to insulate after it gets wet. So if the moisture is wicked by the fleece layer to the cotton, you have a soggy layer that’s providing no heat retention. Wool, however, does retain its insulating properties when wet but gets soggy nonetheless. Polypropylene fleece is the best all around in my opinion for wicking and maintaining its insulating properties. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <tale of woe snipped Sounds like a case of bad layering techniques.  Try wearing something that will keep you dry and allow the moisture to escape.  Wearing materials that absorb and keep water is not something one would consider appropriate for wearing under breathables. I have found wearing fleece to be most comfortable.  I know the winters here in Montana don’t get as cold as Alaska, but it does get colder than a witches tit in a brass bra here.  On extremely cold days I still slip into my neoprenes, but for the most part I wear my breathables and just layer myself underneath. With proper layering you will stay warm and dry and not have any sad tales to tell. Here is an example of what I wear: 2  sets of long johns 1 set of fleece bibs 1 pair of sweats pants 2 pair of heavy wool socks 1 sweatshirt 1 fleece jacket 1 Gore-Tex jacket to stop wind / keep dry With this setup I am comfortable on those really cold days.  Other times I don’t need as much and find myself shedding an upper layer or two. The key is wearing materials that don’t absorb and hold water close to the skin. Hope this helps.  Stay warm. Warren

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Two sets of long johns, fleece bibs, and a pair of sweat pants? Judas, man, how the hell do you walk with all that around your gams? Must be hell when you gotta pee.

Actually it isn’t.  The bibs have a zipper at the bottom of the fly as well as the top.  The long johns are the old fashioned "union suits" that have buttons all down the front and a trap door in the rear.  The sweats are elastic at the waist.  I leave the long johns unbuttoned at the last button so it is easily accessable.   Walking isn’t a problem because I buy my waders a little large so it all fits. It is really only slightly more bulky than neoprenes. Warren

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Two sets of long johns, fleece bibs, and a pair of sweat pants? Judas, man, how the hell do you walk with all that around your gams? Must be hell when you gotta pee. -wf – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <tale of woe snipped Sounds like a case of bad layering techniques.  Try wearing something that will keep you dry and allow the moisture to escape.  Wearing materials that absorb and keep water is not something one would consider appropriate for wearing under breathables. I have found wearing fleece to be most comfortable.  I know the winters here in Montana don’t get as cold as Alaska, but it does get colder than a witches tit in a brass bra here.  On extremely cold days I still slip into my neoprenes, but for the most part I wear my breathables and just layer myself underneath. With proper layering you will stay warm and dry and not have any sad tales to tell. Here is an example of what I wear: 2  sets of long johns 1 set of fleece bibs 1 pair of sweats pants 2 pair of heavy wool socks 1 sweatshirt 1 fleece jacket 1 Gore-Tex jacket to stop wind / keep dry With this setup I am comfortable on those really cold days.  Other times I don’t need as much and find myself shedding an upper layer or two. The key is wearing materials that don’t absorb and hold water close to the skin. Hope this helps.  Stay warm. Warren

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When Neoprenes are too hot, why not wade wet? Willi

Because the air temp may be warm, but the water cold as hell after the snow melts. Warren

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0] : … : (About the thread on vises: I wanted to check out the Darnica, or : Danica, but couldn’t find it anywhere. Someone said Orvis sells it under : a different name, but I couldn’t tell because their vises all seem to : have recognizable brands.) See Al Beatty’s web page http://www.btsflyfishing.com  He sells the Danica vise and is a real straight shooter. You won’t go wrong dealing with him. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Just finished watching a piece on Fashion TV, CITY-TV, Toronto where they interviewed Karen Graham.  The former Vogue model was sought out by Estee Lauder, lured away from her fly fishing school and brought in to promote stuff for older women.  She’s going to have a TV ad running soon as well. And boy,  she can double-haul me any day.  ( No honey, I’m not serious. . . . stop looking over my shoulder . . . yes I love that rod you bought me, . . .  stop whacking me with it. . . .) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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I just saw a piece about Karen Graham on Oprah recently… very interesting.  Besides being very beautiful, she was charming and down to earth as well.  And most importantly, she casts beautifully. ;^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just finished watching a piece on Fashion TV, CITY-TV, Toronto where they interviewed Karen Graham.  The former Vogue model was sought out by Estee Lauder, lured away from her fly fishing school and brought in to promote stuff for older women.  She’s going to have a TV ad running soon as well. And boy,  she can double-haul me any day.  ( No honey, I’m not serious. . . . stop looking over my shoulder . . . yes I love that rod you bought me, . . .  stop whacking me with it. . . .) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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I like mine as light as possible. Just had to……

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Does anyone have an opinion about the best type of boot/sock combo for portaging and keeping your feet dry on a Boundary Waters/Quetico type trip during the summer?

        After long consideration (and posting of the same question years ago), I’ve concluded there is no perfect answer. Sandals can be great for allowing you to jump out of the canoe off of a bad landing in deeper water, but are crap for ankle support on rocky portages, or negotiating blow-downs, limbs, etc. (And what about the danger of a splinter under the toenail?) High boots would seem to be the ticket, but there’s the weight and they can tend to be hot. Really choice seems to be support or dryness. One thing I’ve thought about is a pair of those jungle boots guys had in Vietnam

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<<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.

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<<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.

    After sex is ok, during sex is another thing entirely.                                                       John Popp                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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If you smoke during sex you’re definitely doing it too fast! — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.    After sex is ok, during sex is another thing entirely.                                                      John Popp                                                  in Sanford Fl.

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers.

Plus, after having the fish shred every single fly you’ve got in your box you can take the butt end of that stogie, jam a hook through it, and catch One More For The Road. Not to mention their use as a mosquito, fly, and fisherman repellant. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious. Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Not me Bill, I totally agree….a pack and a half a day smoker, I quit after 20 yrs of that. Within 6 months, cigarette smoke and *especially* cigar smoke sickened me. I have been known to get up and move (or leave) a restaurant due to somebody lighting up at the next table. (this was before the anti-smoking laws went into effect) The experience astream is so much more enjoyable without clouds of toxin interfering with the clean air. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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Not me Bill, I totally agree….a pack and a half a day smoker, I quit after 20 yrs of that. Within 6 months, cigarette smoke and *especially* cigar smoke sickened me.

Interesting. I had smoked for 30yrs (most of them 2+ packs/day) when I quit 5yrs ago. I find that my sense of smell has vastly improved but 2nd hand smoke doesn’t bother me any more now than it did, in fact I will move into the smoking section of a resteraunt just to get away from screaming kids. I never did much like smelling cigars even then, though<g. — Charlie…

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Only when you can get one to light… "FW" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Perhaps…but I’ve found a better "trick".  My daughter purchased a nice flask to carry in my vest.  I fill it with a bit of alcoholic beverage and, when fishing is really slow, I sip away at my flask.  I don’t catch any more fish than I did before, but the slow times seem more enjoyable Barry

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Only when you can get one to light…

More than a little truth in this! Wet fingers and dry cigarettes are not a good combination.  I used to have trouble lighting my pipe having just filled it when my hands were wet. I’ve *had* to give up my beloved pipe on what turned out to be unfounded medical advice. — Bill

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Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene

______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone.     No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends.   It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1)   As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste?

 Robert Scott replies: < .<<..and I’ve caught a nice Lake George, NY Landlocked Salmon whose stomach contained a cigarette butt AND a foil gum wrapper.  Perhaps he wanted to freshen his breath after the smoke? I can understand a trout taking a cigarette butt (with a filter).  There is a nymph called the "Strawman" that is heavily packed spun deer hair. You Gink it up (George’s stuff can be used as a verb too) and it is supposed to represent a caddis case.  It looks just like a cigarette filter.   Tough fly to fish, however, for nothing will go near it if there is even the slightest bit of drag (micro-drag?).  But if you can get it totally drag free, they smash it.  It is an excellent fly to dapple with. I smoked for 40 years.  I was up to 4 packs/day (3 cartons a week).  My doc figured out I was smoking a cigarette every 11 minutes (if I slept 8 hours/day).  I’ve been off the damn things for 6 years now and every-thing smells great. Dave LaCourse

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Mr. G You are a very sick man, I hope the doctors are kind to you when they take you away. PS, don’t even think of "slapping people silly" unless you are Evander Holyfield, you might get hurt. Are you really a control freak or is this just a troll? — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone. No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends. It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1) As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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______ I admit that I am trolling a bit with the below post, but my heart screams when I see a friend of mine smoking. George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone. No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends. It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1) As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers. — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar)

Tell us was it a Passing Cloud, I hope not, otherwise you know that means – someones been over here trying to take OUR fish — Bill

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory.

Let us take a broader view!  Consider this – whenever I smell a cigar I think of Christmas.  Who the Hell wants to think of Christmas during the fishing season? — Bill

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If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of?

Perhaps…but I’ve found a better "trick".  My daughter purchased a nice flask to carry in my vest.  I fill it with a bit of alcoholic beverage and, when fishing is really slow, I sip away at my flask.  I don’t catch any more fish than I did before, but the slow times seem more enjoyable Barry

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Vinnies smokes from dawn to dusk – I just wish it was tobacco….. :0) JE

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Cigars not cigarettes. I’ve often been sickened on a lake when a buddy lights one up 50 yards away. They say it drives off insects. I’ve never actually seen a smoker catch a fish however. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste?

…and I’ve caught a nice Lake George, NY Landlocked Salmon whose stomach contained a cigarette butt AND a foil gum wrapper.  Perhaps he wanted to freshen his breath after the smoke? But to the point of the thread…   I am a reformed smoker; I quit five years ago.   BUT, when I’m on my annual spring striper pilgrimage to Cape Cod, I smoke.   Two weeks later, when I get home, no more smoking.  (Same thing during a duck hunting vacation, too.)   And I remember when I quit, the times I wanted a smoke the most was when I was standing knee-deep in the Battenkill.  Most people who quit say they want one the worst after a meal, or when having a beer.  Not me.  I wanted one when I was fishing… and I don’t even remember ever smoking while I was fishing during my smoking years.  Funny. Bob Scott

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Scott  No they don’t. But a cigar or a pipe helps to keep  the bugs off you while on the water. Or  so I have been told. As I smoke a pipe I find it dose  work  for me most of  the time.   I don’t know what I will do next week on vacation, the smokeing lamp is out in  the northern part of Michigan.  Tight lines

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers. —

A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste? Tight lungs, — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘nuttll’ to reply by e-mail)

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

     Caught us, Yes it was a secret, like getting a waitress to bring your meal after ordering, like spoting an 8 point white tail, or in the fishermans case the drag squealing with the strongest hit you’ve ever known in an otherwise fishless day. It always happens (in the last two cases) when the rod/rifle is cradled in the crook of the arm while you light up before heading home. IT’S THE RULE!                                                         John Popp                                                     in Sanford Fl.

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I’m heading for Tahoe for a week at the end of September. I am a total beginner (one weekend class in Mass), and would love to hook up with a guide for a day somewhere in the area. I will have a car.  Any advice on guides, fishing outfitters, places I shouldn’t miss, etc.  would be very much appreciated. -Ruth

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I’m heading for Tahoe for a week at the end of September. I am a total beginner (one weekend class in Mass), and would love to hook up with a guide for a day somewhere in the area. I will have a car.  Any advice on guides, fishing outfitters, places I shouldn’t miss, etc.  would be very much appreciated. -Ruth

The Truckee river is at the north end of lake Tahoe. I would call the Reno Fly shop for a guide. South of lake Tahoe is the east Carson river. You might call the Fly Fishing and Outdoor Store at South Tahoe for a guide. If you need more info you can call us at 800/4000FLY Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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For those that have written the group and me personally asking about water conditions I send this updated report (by the way, I don’t mind in the least getting the queries). Got three trout today with a completely new method of dry fly fishing. There I was standing  (or at least trying to) in four feet of water on a sand bar that, to my certain knowledge, has been dry, year round, for at least the last six years. The creek is small but at times has produced the occasional 18 inch brown some smaller rainbows and the occasional cut throat or two. This new method consists of casting a dry up stream. letting it hit the water and race back towards you in the current. The three fish I caught had broken their necks trying to get the fly as it went past them at somewhere around forty five mph. Their bodies were then recovered some one and a half miles down stream by an accomplice. Lolo Mt.

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Could any one help locate the name of the river in MD that was on TV channel ESPN called Flyfishing America April 1, 1995. I hope to be out that way soon. Thanks

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Could any one help locate the name of the river in MD that was on TV channel ESPN called Flyfishing America April 1, 1995. I hope to be out that way soon. Thanks

Didn’t see the show, but if it was Maryland, it probably was the Gunpowder. Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler

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I believe the show was filmed on the North Branch of the Potomac below the Randolph Jennings Dam.  The general public cannot fish where the filming took place !!!!  I have fished in that river this spring and caught a few, biggest about 13".  There are large fish in there but they are fish that have been released from hatchery operation  by dam.  1 mile below dam is closed to public.  Gunpowder river north of Baltimore is probably better ‘bet but very busy on weekends and during good hatches.                                                    regards leo

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