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"Peter Duniho"  wrote Look at the crew count.  Even with a small passenger list, a 737 is probably not going to take off with just one flight attendant.  Every flight I’ve been on, on a plane that size, they’ve had at least two flight attendants, just because the first class passengers want one all to themselves.

The number of seats (not passengers) determines the minimium required Flight Attendants.  One FA for each 50 seats or portion thereof. Bob

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The number of seats (not passengers) determines the minimium required Flight Attendants.  One FA for each 50 seats or portion thereof.

The smallest (least number of seats) airplane the mainline United flies is the a 737 with a configuration of 104 passegner seats.   Three flight attendents are therefore assigned. The Dornier 328 is the smallest jet used by the United Express carriers (at about 32 seats, quite an intersting plane by the way).  The propstreams are the smallest at about 29 seats (perhaps one of my least favorite airlinesr).

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The number of seats (not passengers) determines the minimium required Flight Attendants.  One FA for each 50 seats or portion thereof.

Thank you.  My point exactly.

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Several years back, we and another pilot couple were camped on the beach next to a runway on a tiny little island in the Bahamas.  No services, small fishing village, a couple of "yacht club" places which served food to boaters passing through. What island was this?

Farmer’s Cay. Very nice but haven’t been back since a hurricane went through. Sydney

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Definitely doesn’t sound like a 737/DC-9 or larger. Mighta been a bad day.   Been on one international flight (Finnair) where coincidentally there were more cabin staff than pax.  It was great! That accounts for the 19 passengers, but United doesn’t fly anything that only has 3 crewmembers (remember to count the flight attendents).

Quite right – I missed that Even a 737 gets two pilots and (I’m pretty sure) three flight attendents.

Yeah – as someone pointed out, the ratio is one per 50 seats – in the US and most other places, I gather.   Here in Oz it’s presently 1 per 35, but the airlines are starting to agitate to get it increased to 1 to 50 while the FAs are resisting (naturally), pointing out that elderly and kids require considerably more attention than healthy adults, etc, etc.. IMO in an accident the more trained FAs available the better!

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The first FA is required at 20 seats, that’s why all those Metroliners have 19 seats. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The number of seats (not passengers) determines the minimium required Flight Attendants.  One FA for each 50 seats or portion thereof. Thank you.  My point exactly.

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the better!

It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON. However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity. D.

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the better! It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON.

However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity.

True – but at least they have had the training.

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the better! It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON. However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity.

The same can be said about some pilots.

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the better! It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON. However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity. D.

Same with captains, Captain!

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It certainly increases the odds of not getting slam-clickers on a RON. However, in a serious situation, some well-trained F/As freak out in a  panic and are useless. Until they experience a real emergency, they are untested and an unknown quantity. Same with captains, Captain!

Same with any other member of the flight crew (Cap’t FO FE). Until the chips are down and the fit hits the shan we’re all untested unknown quantities. Cheers, Sydney

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Definitely doesn’t sound like a 737/DC-9 or larger. Mighta been a bad day.   Been on one international flight (Finnair) where coincidentally there were more cabin staff than pax.  It was great!

That accounts for the 19 passengers, but United doesn’t fly anything that only has 3 crewmembers (remember to count the flight attendents). Even a 737 gets two pilots and (I’m pretty sure) three flight attendents.

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Several years back, we and another pilot couple were camped on the beach next to a runway on a tiny little island in the Bahamas.  No services, small fishing village, a couple of "yacht club" places which served food to boaters passing through.

What island was this?

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Mighta been a bad day.   Been on one international flight (Finnair) where coincidentally there were more cabin staff than pax.

Look at the crew count.  Even with a small passenger list, a 737 is probably not going to take off with just one flight attendant.  Every flight I’ve been on, on a plane that size, they’ve had at least two flight attendants, just because the first class passengers want one all to themselves. Pete

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To my knowledge, only mainline United uses the United callsign. Commuter turboprops use the callsigns assigned to their company’s certificate. You are, of course, correct (AFAIK) about the callsign.  I think though, that the main point was identifying the type of plane as the kind typically used for commuter flights.  Three crew and 19 passengers does seem to indicate some sort of smaller aircraft, whether it’s a turboprop, Jetstream, or what have you. Definitely doesn’t sound like a 737/DC-9 or larger.

Mighta been a bad day.   Been on one international flight (Finnair) where coincidentally there were more cabin staff than pax.  It was great!

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I’d imagine that for the typical airline customer, having to make an early landing due to an engine failure would be a pretty traumatic event.  Not the sort of thing that would go unremarked.

I don’t know. Several years back, we and another pilot couple were camped on the beach next to a runway on a tiny little island in the Bahamas.  No services, small fishing village, a couple of "yacht club" places which served food to boaters passing through. The next morning, several trucks pulled up and a bunch of typical middle-aged well-to-do people with lots o’ luggage got out.  We started chatting.  Seems they were there buying property with the notion of developing a resort, and were awaiting a charter flight out.  They seemed like typical, risk-averse, average airline customers. Their mount arrived, and I do mean "arrived".  A C310.  Got blown off the rwy centerline into the shrubby trees on short final, landed with vegetation dangling from the landing gear and the L main fuel tank (tip tank) trailing fuel through a gap around the smashed nav lights. The captain, a distinguished-looking silver haired gentleman, got out and surveyed the shrubbery.  Next thing I knew, the pax were cheerfully loading up their luggage and climbing aboard.  The fact that their pilot had just hit a tree, that the plane was streaming fuel from one of its main tanks, that the undercarriage may have been damaged, might not retract, and once retracted might not extend, meant nothing to them. Pilot was willing to fly, must be safe, they were rarin’ to go. And go they did, using every inch of runway (it was pretty short for a C310).  Between the luggage and the 6 of ‘em I doubt they were under gross.  Maybe over.  Godspeed! I think most people’s risk assessment is so skewed that they’re very fearful if the plane is delayed while a gauge or a light is repaired, but loss or damage to big important parts like engines and main fuel tanks might not bother them much more. Cheers, Sydney

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In article 1:25 PM PDT, as I was over Malibu monitoring SoCal frequency heard United fight ask to return to LAX. I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop, To my knowledge, only mainline United uses the United callsign. Commuter turboprops use the callsigns assigned to their company’s certificate.

Yep.  I hadn’t thought of that before.  I was too busy thinking about shoes…or fish. In LA, had it been a United code share commuter, the callsign would more likely have been SkyWest, unless Mesa is still in the area, in which case it would have been Air Shuttle.  If the callsign was United, then it really was United.

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To my knowledge, only mainline United uses the United callsign. Commuter turboprops use the callsigns assigned to their company’s certificate.

You are, of course, correct (AFAIK) about the callsign.  I think though, that the main point was identifying the type of plane as the kind typically used for commuter flights.  Three crew and 19 passengers does seem to indicate some sort of smaller aircraft, whether it’s a turboprop, Jetstream, or what have you. Definitely doesn’t sound like a 737/DC-9 or larger. Pete

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I was on a United 737 that had an engine quit.  Total non-event.  Returned to O’Hare and got on another flight.  Guess that’s why they have two engines.  Media doesn’t care unless there is blood and guts.

Many years ago I was on a TWA 747 that lost an engine on climb-out from Logan, with a loud bang. We turned back and landed with the trucks chasing us, but we made a normal egress. Nothing in the press. It seemed to me at the time that they idled the other three engines for a while (so we were, basically, gliding over Boston Harbor). I may have been mistaken, being busy comforting the children. Is that part of the attempted restart procedure? (aftermath: TWA found another 747 at JFK and flew it up to BOS, opened a door to let the meals in, and the escape chute fell out. Oh, damn, now we can’t use that door, where are we going to find a 747 door this time of night? Oh look, there’s another one over there with a bad engine but a perfectly good door… eventually the 6pm flight left at 2am but kudos to TWA; they put a lot of effort into not canceling the flight).

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1:25 PM PDT, as I was over Malibu monitoring SoCal frequency heard United fight ask to return to LAX. I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop,

To my knowledge, only mainline United uses the United callsign. Commuter turboprops use the callsigns assigned to their company’s certificate. D.

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While en route Fullerton to Oxnard today about 1:25 PM PDT, as I was over Malibu monitoring SoCal frequency heard United fight ask to return to LAX. Controller asked if they were declaring an emergency and reply was "yes, lost an engine."  Controller then asked how many soles on board, reply "19 with three crew." I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop, and LAX was probably 95-100 degrees at the time.  I had to change frequencies so never heard end result.  Nothing on news or on Internet that I can find.  Anyone know anything about it?  Perhaps this happens more often then we ever hear about… Scott

I was on a United 737 that had an engine quit.  Total non-event.  Returned to O’Hare and got on another flight.  Guess that’s why they have two engines.  Media doesn’t care unless there is blood and guts.

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[...] Controller then asked how many soles on board, reply "19 with three crew." Well, the one-armed man may still be missing, but at least we’ve found the one-legged man.

Hah! Thanks for that. Now I can sleep! — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Video Editing, Avid Training & Web Design Based in Washington DC

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Sorry for not actually knowing anything pertinent to your comments.  :)  I doubt that an engine failure on a commercial flight happens a lot more than we hear about, since even if the news doesn’t pick up on it right away, almost always one of the passengers would eventually get around to saying something. I’d imagine that for the typical airline customer, having to make an early landing due to an engine failure would be a pretty traumatic event.  Not the sort of thing that would go unremarked.

Incidents might happen more than we think, although I also think that engine failures are rather rare. I know of one occasion where a colleague of mine was on board, the way he described the flight was a bird-strike in one of the engines, followed by a shutdown of that engine and a return to the airport. This never made it into the news. A friend of mine once, as a co-pilot, aborted a takeoff due to an engine problem, I did not read anything in the news about it either. And why would we, in these cases the crew apparently handled the situation properly, and actually nothing important happened. At the following link you can find incident descriptions involving Dutch aircraft, engine failures seem to be quite rare, but a return to the airport from where they came seems to happen every now and then: http://www.minvenw.nl/ivw/divisieluchtvaart/nla/veilig_mil/htm/incide… (Although the page is in Dutch, most of the actual incident descriptions are in English) Best regards, Peter

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[...] Controller then asked how many soles on board, reply "19 with three crew."

Well, the one-armed man may still be missing, but at least we’ve found the one-legged man. I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop, and LAX was probably 95-100 degrees at the time.

As far as I know, all of United’s airplanes are real.  Not a single computer plane among the bunch. Sorry for not actually knowing anything pertinent to your comments.  :)  I doubt that an engine failure on a commercial flight happens a lot more than we hear about, since even if the news doesn’t pick up on it right away, almost always one of the passengers would eventually get around to saying something. I’d imagine that for the typical airline customer, having to make an early landing due to an engine failure would be a pretty traumatic event.  Not the sort of thing that would go unremarked. Pete

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While en route Fullerton to Oxnard today about 1:25 PM PDT, as I was over Malibu monitoring SoCal frequency heard United fight ask to return to LAX. Controller asked if they were declaring an emergency and reply was "yes, lost an engine."  Controller then asked how many soles on board, reply "19 with three crew." I suspect this was a computer plane, probably turbo prop, and LAX was probably 95-100 degrees at the time.  I had to change frequencies so never heard end result.  Nothing on news or on Internet that I can find.  Anyone know anything about it?  Perhaps this happens more often then we ever hear about… Scott

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New neighbor called today–His moving van is arriving tomorrow afternoon but he heard I was a fisherman  and wanted to know if I would go fishing with him 6;30 AM-I ask do you have a boat- yes its at the marina-I will call they gas it up and put it in the water for us-what type of gear should I bring? Oh don’t worry I have clark spoones- rods- planners etc–also have two new 9wt scott rods we might give a try if the mackerls or blues are hitting on top,. Guys if you don"t hear from me anymore just know I have gone to heaven. Indian Joe Wilmington NC

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New neighbor called today–His moving van is arriving tomorrow afternoon but he heard I was a fisherman  and wanted to know if I would go fishing with him 6;30 AM-I ask do you have a boat- yes its at the marina-I will call they gas it up and put it in the water for us-what type of gear should I bring? Oh don’t worry I have clark spoones- rods- planners etc–also have two new 9wt scott rods we might give a try if the mackerls or blues are hitting on top,. Guys if you don"t hear from me anymore just know I have gone to heaven. Indian Joe Wilmington NC

Now you can mooch some serious flies, IJ

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Oh don’t worry I have clark spoones- rods- planners etc–also have two new 9wt scott rods we might give a try if the mackerls or blues are hitting on top,. Guys if you don"t hear from me anymore just know I have gone to heaven. Indian Joe Wilmington NC

The one thing I figured out the last time I fished for ’spannies’ is that you can’t strip line too fast. Man, it’s fun to get into a bunch of those little torpedoes. — Charlie…

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We are planning a trip to the Laguna Madre late summer early fall.  Never been before.  Any help on flies, maps, places, etc would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance. Henry

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We are planning a trip to the Laguna Madre late summer early fall.  Never been before.  Any help on flies, maps, places, etc would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance. Henry

Henry, what part of the Laguna Madre are you planning to visit? It runs about 120 miles from Corpus Christi south to the Brazos Santiago Pass at South Padre Island. For great fly fishing adventures, you can’t miss fishing with Capt. Joe Mendez, Capt. Bill Sheka or Capt. Billy Sandifer out of Corpus Christi. Out of Port Mansfield, try Capt. Charlie Buchen or Capt. Terry Neal. Out of  Arroyo City, I highly recommend Capt. Dan Coley and Capt. Rick Hartman.   Out of South Padre and Port Isabel, you can’t miss with Captains Eric Glass, Jim Stewart, Chuck Scates, Richard McInnis or Skipper Ray. Take lots of shrimp patterns and Clousers and have a great adventure. Phil Shook

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Boring?  Check out the lampoon’s sequel, Bored of the Rings, fun at first, but a bit overworked. That’s a book from the 60’s or 70’s, not a movie. But, no, I didn’t find the book boring.  Like any movie based on a great book, it never meats your expectations, but this one was so much better than Dune that I couldn’t muster a complaint, and I will see the next two. Chas Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and expertise that went into it ?    

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Boring?  Check out the lampoon’s sequel, Bored of the Rings, fun at first, but a bit overworked. That’s a book from the 60’s or 70’s, not a movie. But, no, I didn’t find the book boring.  Like any movie based on a great book, it never meats your expectations, but this one was so much better than Dune that I couldn’t muster a complaint, and I will see the next two.

Your use of Dune as an example of how a movie can disappoint the book reader is a good one. But there are two versions of Dune out there. The first one is about 2.5 hours with rumors of enough material on the cutting room floor to a) fill in the gaps for those who had not read the book and b) double its length. Then there’s the later version which IS about 5 hours in length and is much truer to the character types & plot development of the book. I somewhat enjoyed the first, but had to keep whispering to my wife about who that sudden new character was, why the seemingly arbitrary shifts in plot elelments, etc. The  second is far better both as cimematography and as book adaptation – but it’s not up there with Casablanca, Schindler’s List or The Wizard of Oz. Likewise the current 1/3 of LOTR; it’s fairly good entertainment but on the long haul only so-so. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

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It seemed to be more of a preteen movie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Boring?  Check out the lampoon’s sequel, Bored of the Rings, fun at first, but a bit overworked. That’s a book from the 60’s or 70’s, not a movie. But, no, I didn’t find the book boring.  Like any movie based on a great book, it never meats your expectations, but this one was so much better than Dune that I couldn’t muster a complaint, and I will see the next two. Your use of Dune as an example of how a movie can disappoint the book reader is a good one. But there are two versions of Dune out there. The first one is about 2.5 hours with rumors of enough material on the cutting room floor to a) fill in the gaps for those who had not read the book and b) double its length. Then there’s the later version which IS about 5 hours in length and is much truer to the character types & plot development of the book. I somewhat enjoyed the first, but had to keep whispering to my wife about who that sudden new character was, why the seemingly arbitrary shifts in plot elelments, etc. The  second is far better both as cimematography and as book adaptation – but it’s not up there with Casablanca, Schindler’s List or The Wizard of Oz. Likewise the current 1/3 of LOTR; it’s fairly good entertainment but on the long haul only so-so. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

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Yup. Instead of parts of the book, it WAS one cliffhanger after another. After four or five they began to run out of dramatic soundtrack…..but I will give them credit for the old college try….better than seeing it butchered I guess.  They definitely put some thought into it. I’m out on the sequels…… john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings  movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and  expertise that went into it ? Are you old enough to remember that great satire, Bored of the Rings? The books were so boring I never got past page 3 of the first one. I’ve heard that the movie is just one cliff hanger followed by another. Take heart, Greg. You won’t have to waste your money on the next two movies, which are already in the can. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Boring?  Check out the lampoon’s sequel, Bored of the Rings, fun at first, but a bit overworked. That’s a book from the 60’s or 70’s, not a movie. But, no, I didn’t find the book boring.  Like any movie based on a great book, it never meats your expectations, but this one was so much better than Dune that I couldn’t muster a complaint, and I will see the next two. Chas

I loved the Lord of the Rings movie. I have read the books many times and the movie did a pretty good job. The problem is that with such an epic book any movie nearly always ends up as a  series of vignettes that communicates the plot in the shortest way possible. This is at the expense of the ambience and magnificence of the book. Dune, the TV Series on SciFi, is much better than the Dune movie. Definitely captures the middle-easterness of the book and the effects are excellent. Gary

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Don’t get me started about the visual effects . . . granted I still have the taste of sour grapes still in my mouth [I worked on Pearl Harbor, and it beat us out for the Visual Effects Oscar]. My best description of the movie . . . fight, fight, run, close-up of Frodo crying, fight , run, close-up of Frodo crying, fight, fight, fight, close-up of Frodo crying, run, fight, fight [you get the idea]. The movie moves at a snails pace in my opinion.  After the last scene in the movie (where they are looking towards their ultimate goal), I turn to my wife and said . . . "It’s going to take them 2 more movies to get over there?". But, on a side note . . . If I was young and single . . . I wouldn’t think twice about heading down th N.Z. and working on the other 2 movies . . . that way I could fish on my one day off.  snicker snicker -Marshall – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yup. Instead of parts of the book, it WAS one cliffhanger after another. After four or five they began to run out of dramatic soundtrack….  Agreed.   I was trying to figure out how much of what  I was seeing was actual NZ vs computer generation  vs good old fashioned special effects.  Some of it  was quite obvious but much of it was quite difficult.

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Don’t get me started about the visual effects . . . granted I still have the taste of sour grapes still in my mouth [I worked on Pearl Harbor, and it beat us out for the Visual Effects Oscar].

I obviously don’t pay enough attention to the Oscars, but having seen both movies Pearl Harbor beat Rings hands down in the visual effects category IMHO.  Every time there was a group of people walking in front of matted scenery I kept thinking that they were purposely trying to make it look like a bad B-movie from the 50’s.      - Ken

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Yes, they have been "shot".  But they are in what is called "Post Production" now – Meaning the visual effects are being created as we speak.  I know this because several of my co-workers have taken the option to go down and work on the second and third movies.  The visual effects will not be completed for the second movie until at least November. This is a very labor and computing intensive business. I just finished working on Star Wars – Eposide II – Saturday, [they actually called me out of a flyfishing seminar with Mel Krieger at the Golden Gate park casting pools, to tweak a final shot ]. And this Star Wars movie has been "shot" for a few months now.  The next project I start in May, will not be completed until next June. Cheers, Marshall – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  The other two have already been made (tho I  assume that they will be tocuhed up/recut a  bit in response to critiques of the first one). But, on a side note . . . If I was young and single . . . I wouldn’t think twice about heading down th N.Z. and working on the other 2 movies . . . that way I could fish on my one day off.  snicker snicker

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I somewhat enjoyed the first, but had to keep whispering to my wife about who that sudden new character was, why the seemingly arbitrary shifts in plot elelments, etc. The  second is far better both as cimematography and as book adaptation – but it’s not up there with Casablanca, Schindler’s List or The Wizard of Oz.

I didn’t like the first at all but your assessment of the second is on the money, IMO. Especially considering that it was a made for TV movie, I thought it was well made. After my disappointment with the first movie, I almost didn’t watch the second. Willi

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 Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings  movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and  expertise that went into it ?

My wife found it rather boring.  She felt it did deserve an Oscar nomination  however because obviously it was an example of grand moviemaking.  I found it entertaining.  But I’m a geek. Mu

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Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and expertise that went into it ?    

I read the books passionately when a child, but haven’t for a long time. Went to the movie in dread, and utterly loved it. i thought it was terrific. LC — Lazarus Cooke

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OTOH, it was rather non-pc to exclude gay Tom Bombadil, don’t you think ?

I thought he was married?  But then …. Lc — Lazarus Cooke

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 Also, their problem domain scales nicely, so their test data can be much smaller inputs resulting in much smaller scenes, and if those go well the giga-pixel scenes probably will too, just with lot’s more computer time…

I’m copying this out, and learning it off by heart, so as to know what to say when people ask me what I thought of the movie. LC — Lazarus Cooke

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It may be that those who’ve written the engines have been careful about these issues, but even then my guess is that their "validation" consists of looking at the scene and deciding whether it looks good or not. (I suppose one might consider that to be the ultimate validation, anyways).

I also thought that the math libraries were a bit smarter in how they handled floating point calculations as well, such that a lot of the "fun" was buried to the point of not being considered by "modern" programmers…

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 I assumed that there would be a lot of iterative  floating point calculations and that there would  be some concern about values wandering out  of precision after a large number of iterations,  but that’s based on guessing at what actually  goes on with this stuff.

It’s basically a matter of projecting virtual light rays from pixels in the virtual film plane out through the virtual focal point and into the 3D model, determining what surface in the model the ray intersects, and then using a lighting model and the reflectance properties of the surfaces in the model to determine what the color and intensity of the pixel should be. There are lots of special hacks to make things realistic. For example, how do you render fog? It wouldn’t be feasible to model every little water droplet. It’s essentially a simulation of the physics of actual photography, with a few added hacks. This is a very parallel computation — every pixel value can, in principle, be computed independently. It’s pretty easy to put lots of processors to work on the problem with good efficiency.

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This is a very parallel computation — every pixel value can, in principle, be computed independently. It’s pretty easy to put lots of processors to work on the problem with good efficiency.

which is why a significant portion of Toy Story could be done using a bank of Quadras. Mu

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I loved the Lord of the Rings movie. I have read the books many times and the movie did a pretty good job. The problem is that with such an epic book any movie nearly always ends up as a  series of vignettes that communicates the plot in the shortest way possible. This is at the expense of the ambience and magnificence of the book.

Ditto on loving it! I resisted watching the movie for months because the books were so important to me as a kid. I lived in the woods of Maine, and one Christmas break, I read them a lot of times. A lot. Probably some sort of record. You gotta keep in mind, I was an insecure, alienated little kid, was snowed in miles away from neighbors, and I fell in love with the fantasy world of Middle Earth. Pretty much memorized the books. So when the movie came out, I refused to go because I didn’t want to superimpose the visual images over my rich imaginary images. But yesterday, feeling particularly middle-agish and lost in another land, I went for a walk and happened across a movie theater just as LoTR was starting. Bought the ticket and went in. The movie didn’t have to ‘fill in the blanks’ for me, or have a particularly integritous plot: I still have the books memorized, and I know the characters like I know my own relatives. Instead, the images were like a photo album from my childhood, with characters I’ve been missing, and places I wish I could see IRL. That old adventurous spirit. Anyway, I sat there for the whole freaking movie with tears creeping down, one at a time. I felt like a nostalgic old idiot until I noticed the guy next to me doing the same. I loved the movie. I won’t see it again, because I want to keep my old mental images intact, but it sure was nice to see those old friends again. Oh yeah, I also cried because I’ll NEVER get to lay Liv Tyler. riverman

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I found a couple of disturbing gaps, like the pc move of changing Glorfindel

<SNIP OTOH, it was rather non-pc to exclude gay Tom Bombadil, don’t you think ? — Gary M

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Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and expertise that went into it ?

No.  I loved every minute of it.  I’ve read the trilogy dozens of times, and found the movie to be strikingly true to the original text.  It was spellbinding to this old hippie.  

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says… Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and expertise that went into it ? No.  I loved every minute of it.  I’ve read the trilogy dozens of times, and found the movie to be strikingly true to the original text.  It was spellbinding to this old hippie.  

I found a couple of disturbing gaps, like the pc move of changing Glorfindel (I believe…as I DON’T have the books memorized ) into Arwen, making Arwen more of a warrior than depicted in the books. The battle with Gandalf and Saruman was botched as well. It’s more accurate, I believe, to say that the movie is in the same spirit as the book. Rob

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 I remember seeing a very short sequence from the  last Star Wars movie which apparently took several  months’ computer time to generate.  Validating the  software for something like this must take a lot of  time.

I may be a few years out of date, and maybe someone can correct me, but I believe one program is used for the overwhelming majority of 3D computer graphics in films: Pixar’s RenderMan. Rendering images (that’s what it’s called) with a computer is routine, but expensive. The hard part is building the models. The coolest special effect I’ve seen in a long time was in a recent Blockbuster commercial. Two animals in a pet store across the street from the Blockbuster were trying to get attention. The cool thing is that the filmmakers rendered fur convincingly. Fur is hard. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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My wife found it rather boring.  She felt it did deserve an Oscar nomination  however because obviously it was an example of grand moviemaking.  I found it entertaining.  But I’m a geek. Mu

    you are also a wonderful creator of flies.  mine arrived this afternoon. i will probably keep a couple just to admire.     thanks, mu. yfitons wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Good question. The parts with actual scenery are pretty obvious if you have been or lived here, if not I guess it would be hard to tell. Having said that my fianc

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Folks, I may be in the northeast the week of March 15, and was wondering if there are any sections of rivers, streams etc, in upstate NY, VT or NH that are open. If so, what can one expect this time of the year re streamflow, hatches, best patterns to use? Thanks for any info you can provide! Alex

Alex, There are many rivers that are legally open in Vermont.  The question is whether they are open due to ice.  Two good bets, weather dependent, are the Winooski River and Lewis Creek.  Hatches are scant.  Wooly buggers are your best bet, as well as other streamers.  Brown stoneflies can be around if the spring is early. Stream flows are a coin toss from downright perrfect to flood to a July trickle depending on rain and snowfall.  Good luck and I would be happy to answer any other questions you might have. Vermont Outdoors Magazine 2 Church Street Burlington, VT 05401 (802) 860-0003 Fax: (802) 860-0005 http://www.vermontoutdoors.com

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Folks, I may be in the northeast the week of March 15, and was wondering if there are any sections of rivers, streams etc, in upstate NY, VT or NH that are open. If so, what can one expect this time of the year re streamflow, hatches, best patterns to use? Thanks for any info you can provide! Alex

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I have used both the drying patch on my vest and a ripple foam pin-on fly holder for keeping wet flys after changeouts astream.

Great review snipped. I have used one of these now for a year and agree with the above review. There are two sizes of Fly Trap, I think both same price. I have the smaller one. Cheers Peter

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I attached the Fly Trap to my mesh vest and it works admirably.

And a contrary review…I attached a fly trap to my vest and the lid came off at the hinge in the middle of the Hiwassee River. Will never use one again. Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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Wayne Knight: <<And a contrary review…I attached a fly trap to my vest and the lid came off at the hinge in the middle of the Hiwassee River. Will never use one again. As did mine after about 3 days of fishing.  I threw the damn thing in the trash.  Good idea.  Bad execution. Dave L.

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0] : Wayne Knight: : <<And a contrary review…I attached a fly trap to my vest and the lid came off : at the hinge in the middle of the Hiwassee River. Will never use one again. : As did mine after about 3 days of fishing.  I threw the damn : thing in the trash.  Good idea.  Bad execution. : Dave L. Much to be preferred is Mike Connor’s two cent version of the same. It’s a 35mm film can with a bunch of holes punched in it. A cord passes thru a hole in the lid and is attached to the can. The other end of cord is attached to vest. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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Wayne Knight: <<And a contrary review…I attached a fly trap to my vest and the lid came off at the hinge in the middle of the Hiwassee River. Will never use one again. As did mine after about 3 days of fishing.  I threw the damn thing in the trash.  Good idea.  Bad execution. Dave L.

hmmm, maybe I have one of the three good ones, I’ve had mine for 3 seasons now and haven’t had a speck of trouble with it. I hardly use a regular fly box any more, I only tie a few flies at a time, usually the night before I go fishing and they go right in the Fly Trap, between those and the ones left in it from the last time I went, there are always enough to get me thru a day. John Before you buy.

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Wayne Knight: <<And a contrary review…I attached a fly trap to my vest and the lid came off at the hinge in the middle of the Hiwassee River. Will never use one again. As did mine after about 3 days of fishing.  I threw the damn thing in the trash.  Good idea.  Bad execution.

My wife and I both have one.  They’ve worked well for us for the past couple years.  I’ll have a look at ours to see if the hinge pins seem to be working loose. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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I have used both the drying patch on my vest and a ripple foam pin-on fly holder for keeping wet flys after changeouts astream.  I have found the pin-on gets in the way of everything and both the pin-on and drying patch have lost flys before they could be returned to the fly box.  I recently acquired a Fly Trap from Ezflyfish and gave it a try last week.  This is an interesting device as it consists of ripple foam on a fold-out shelf.  The little black box attaches to the vest, shirt, or jacket with an interesting spring clip which holds firmly and positively without damaging the material.  It is easy to attach and detach for moving between outer garments.  The front of the box drops down and sticks out at a 90 degree angle like a shelf.  It is easy to pick flys off of the ripple foam shelf or add flys to the shelf.  Vents along the sides expedite drying.  Flys closed up in the trap are secure from loss and dry effectively.  The drawbacks are the additional bulk and weight (minimal but minimalist would scrutinize every gadget)and the cost (about $20).  Certainly a ventilated film canister would work also but I think not as effectively as the Fly Trap.  A canister bottom could be dropped and lost with its cargo.  The Fly Trap could also be loaded with a dozen favorite flys and carried alone as a small stream box very effeciently.  Dropping the shelf down and looking down at a glance shows you your flys without holding the box in your hand.  Come to think about it, a vest could be made up with several of these arranged to suit the wearer.  A customizable vest so to speak. The black, non-glare finish helps small stream stealth and its overall light weight and compactness favors small stream fishing as well.  I attached the Fly Trap to my mesh vest and it works admirably. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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All FS98 has to do is present me with only the slightest recreation of the afternoon I flew a 172 out over the Atlantic for the first time atop a broken undercast from Cape Cod to Nantucket Island and the thrill of it just comes flooding back.  Every time. Phillip

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously, the saddest thing about it was that I haven’t been able to enjoy the sims ever since…  After well over a decade of flying the computer, I suddenly realized just how much they *don’t* capture the feeling of flight, even with the latest and greatest.  Anyone else have a similar experience? Yeah, I find that real flying can be very emotional. The feeling of freedom, the exhilarating feeling of speed when your just a few feet above cloud level. I remember one particular time when flying above unbroken cloud, for as far as the eye could see in all directions there was just this smooth white sea and the sky above was the most beautiful blue you could imagine. It was like being on another world, the Earth didn’t even exist for a minute or two. It was awe inspiring, brought a tear to the eye. SteveL. HI, due to health problems I had to return my PPL some years ago, so the sim is all I

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<<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.

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<<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.

    After sex is ok, during sex is another thing entirely.                                                       John Popp                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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If you smoke during sex you’re definitely doing it too fast! — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… It’s ok to smoke after sex. But if sex is a pain in the ass, you are doing it wrong. Dave L.    After sex is ok, during sex is another thing entirely.                                                      John Popp                                                  in Sanford Fl.

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers.

Plus, after having the fish shred every single fly you’ve got in your box you can take the butt end of that stogie, jam a hook through it, and catch One More For The Road. Not to mention their use as a mosquito, fly, and fisherman repellant. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious. Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Not me Bill, I totally agree….a pack and a half a day smoker, I quit after 20 yrs of that. Within 6 months, cigarette smoke and *especially* cigar smoke sickened me. I have been known to get up and move (or leave) a restaurant due to somebody lighting up at the next table. (this was before the anti-smoking laws went into effect) The experience astream is so much more enjoyable without clouds of toxin interfering with the clean air. Frank Church Elkhart, IN

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Not me Bill, I totally agree….a pack and a half a day smoker, I quit after 20 yrs of that. Within 6 months, cigarette smoke and *especially* cigar smoke sickened me.

Interesting. I had smoked for 30yrs (most of them 2+ packs/day) when I quit 5yrs ago. I find that my sense of smell has vastly improved but 2nd hand smoke doesn’t bother me any more now than it did, in fact I will move into the smoking section of a resteraunt just to get away from screaming kids. I never did much like smelling cigars even then, though<g. — Charlie…

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Only when you can get one to light… "FW" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Perhaps…but I’ve found a better "trick".  My daughter purchased a nice flask to carry in my vest.  I fill it with a bit of alcoholic beverage and, when fishing is really slow, I sip away at my flask.  I don’t catch any more fish than I did before, but the slow times seem more enjoyable Barry

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Only when you can get one to light…

More than a little truth in this! Wet fingers and dry cigarettes are not a good combination.  I used to have trouble lighting my pipe having just filled it when my hands were wet. I’ve *had* to give up my beloved pipe on what turned out to be unfounded medical advice. — Bill

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Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene

______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone.     No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends.   It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1)   As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste?

 Robert Scott replies: < .<<..and I’ve caught a nice Lake George, NY Landlocked Salmon whose stomach contained a cigarette butt AND a foil gum wrapper.  Perhaps he wanted to freshen his breath after the smoke? I can understand a trout taking a cigarette butt (with a filter).  There is a nymph called the "Strawman" that is heavily packed spun deer hair. You Gink it up (George’s stuff can be used as a verb too) and it is supposed to represent a caddis case.  It looks just like a cigarette filter.   Tough fly to fish, however, for nothing will go near it if there is even the slightest bit of drag (micro-drag?).  But if you can get it totally drag free, they smash it.  It is an excellent fly to dapple with. I smoked for 40 years.  I was up to 4 packs/day (3 cartons a week).  My doc figured out I was smoking a cigarette every 11 minutes (if I slept 8 hours/day).  I’ve been off the damn things for 6 years now and every-thing smells great. Dave LaCourse

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Mr. G You are a very sick man, I hope the doctors are kind to you when they take you away. PS, don’t even think of "slapping people silly" unless you are Evander Holyfield, you might get hurt. Are you really a control freak or is this just a troll? — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email)

  – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone. No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends. It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1) As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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______ I admit that I am trolling a bit with the below post, but my heart screams when I see a friend of mine smoking. George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ______ Doesn’t offend me or many, many others here at all Bill.  For me?  I simply won’t allow anyone near my family or on my property that wants to use any kind of tobacco products.  I detest it so.  It is a filthy, selfish, arrogant, poisoning, deadly, habit.  More often than not, people who smoke are selfish but worse yet, they are 100% inconsiderate of others.  Not only is the secondary smoke offensive, just their visual presence is disgusting.  I can’t even stand to look at anyone that is smoking.  It makes me want to rip the cigarette out of their face and then slap them silly.  But I know this might be a little unreasonable and others may think I would be over reacting a bit.  I suppose everyone would be right regarding this fantasy.  I only wonder if others are so inclined and are just too shy to tell those who are smoking in their presence to kindly stop it in an other than an asking tone. No one fishes with me that smokes.  I can’t even stand to see anyone do it even from a distance.  Absolutely drives me ballistic because the habit has killed old friends of mine.  I really like people who DON’T smoke.  I like the fact that in a parking area and along the stream I don’t have to look at thrown away cigarettes, their packages, or cigar bands or butts or whatever.  People who throw these items on the ground are ignorant ninkapoops.  People who have ‘the need’ to smoke are weak, undisciplined, selfish and they don’t regard the health risk to  others like their own wives, and will smoke in the house even if children live there.  A child can’t keep a man of great size from smoking in the same room, but I sure don’t mind telling the same dude to stop it or get lost if they get near me or my friends. It is a pathetic state of affairs. A single puff of smoke across a thirty or forty foot room will put my wife into the hospital fighting for her life.  It will literally cost me thousands of dollars.  It shuts her breathing down.  Smoking does affect others in anyone’s family that DON’T Smoke.  Anyone that smokes inside their home where another doesn’t smoke, is a bully.  I especially detest women who smoke.  If people want to go behind the barn out of my sight and smoke . . . I suppose that might be all right as long as they didn’t throw their butts down into the pig sty and get that dirty.  I particularly am concerned about highly intelligent hogs having to deal with addicts that smoke.  These substance abusers are not strong enough to control their own lives. They should not be allowed to influence others.  If I had a customer who isn’t smoking or doesn’t smoke browsing in my shop I sure as heck won’t allow anyone else in the area to do it. Bill?  If you are man enough to put a big NO SMOKING Signs all over your store, I’ll send all my non-smoking friends over to your place. Besides.  Who likes to handle money tainted with nicotine anyway?  We burn any we get.  How about you? yack! Mr. G. "Ah?  You’re not going to light that right now are you?" "Excuse me, could you wait until I leave before lighting that up?" "Don’t light that up in my presence please.  It will make me sick." "When did you start smoking, may I ask, before doing so now – here?" "My God man!  I didn’t know you were a smoker!" Or if in a vehicle and they sneak aboard before everyone realizes we have a smoker passenger . . . we simply pull over to the side of the road and say, "You must refrain from smoking during this entire trip or get out right now."  (with a smile, of course) ______ OTHER WAYS OF CONTROLLING SMOKERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO ADD THEM HERE ______ 1) As you said Bill.  Sorry if my observations has offended anyone.

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers. — Regards Peter (Please also reply by email, my server "loses" posts. Remove nospam to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar)

Tell us was it a Passing Cloud, I hope not, otherwise you know that means – someones been over here trying to take OUR fish — Bill

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory.

Let us take a broader view!  Consider this – whenever I smell a cigar I think of Christmas.  Who the Hell wants to think of Christmas during the fishing season? — Bill

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If you smoke after flyfishing you’re doing it too fast… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of?

Perhaps…but I’ve found a better "trick".  My daughter purchased a nice flask to carry in my vest.  I fill it with a bit of alcoholic beverage and, when fishing is really slow, I sip away at my flask.  I don’t catch any more fish than I did before, but the slow times seem more enjoyable Barry

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Vinnies smokes from dawn to dusk – I just wish it was tobacco….. :0) JE

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Cigars not cigarettes. I’ve often been sickened on a lake when a buddy lights one up 50 yards away. They say it drives off insects. I’ve never actually seen a smoker catch a fish however. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste?

…and I’ve caught a nice Lake George, NY Landlocked Salmon whose stomach contained a cigarette butt AND a foil gum wrapper.  Perhaps he wanted to freshen his breath after the smoke? But to the point of the thread…   I am a reformed smoker; I quit five years ago.   BUT, when I’m on my annual spring striper pilgrimage to Cape Cod, I smoke.   Two weeks later, when I get home, no more smoking.  (Same thing during a duck hunting vacation, too.)   And I remember when I quit, the times I wanted a smoke the most was when I was standing knee-deep in the Battenkill.  Most people who quit say they want one the worst after a meal, or when having a beer.  Not me.  I wanted one when I was fishing… and I don’t even remember ever smoking while I was fishing during my smoking years.  Funny. Bob Scott

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

Hi All, I would say that a very small percentage of fly fisher persons smoke cigarettes. I think I would know as I can smell it on anyone that walks in my store and very few do. Most fly fisherman seem to be fairly intelligent and probably realize that if they want to live a long time they should not smoke cigarettes. Puffin’ on a cigar at stream side once and a while would kill you. Sorry if my observations has offended anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Scott  No they don’t. But a cigar or a pipe helps to keep  the bugs off you while on the water. Or  so I have been told. As I smoke a pipe I find it dose  work  for me most of  the time.   I don’t know what I will do next week on vacation, the smokeing lamp is out in  the northern part of Michigan.  Tight lines

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To be correctly turned out, a cigar is almost mandatory. Without the contamination of the fly by nicotine tainted fingers, ALL the fish that your fly came into contact with would, without exception, be fooled into taking and therefore caught. This would cause havoc, especially amongst the catch and kill anglers who would have to go home after only two or three minutes fishing. Streams, rivers and lakes would be denuded of fish, tackle manufacturers and fly tying businesses would go out of business, chaos would ensue! Do your duty Scott. Go and buy at least two packets of the cheapest and foulest smelling cigars you can find and protect our sport, fish and rivers. —

A couple of years ago, I caught a 3 1/2 lb’er at a small stillwater called ‘Northbank’ near Peterborough (UK).  When I spooned the fish, all I found was a cigarette butt (close, but no cigar).  Perhaps some of our fish are acquiring the taste? Tight lungs, — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘nuttll’ to reply by e-mail)

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

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What’s the deal here with the cigaraettes and fishing. Is this some find of fishing trick I’m not aware of? Just curious.

     Caught us, Yes it was a secret, like getting a waitress to bring your meal after ordering, like spoting an 8 point white tail, or in the fishermans case the drag squealing with the strongest hit you’ve ever known in an otherwise fishless day. It always happens (in the last two cases) when the rod/rifle is cradled in the crook of the arm while you light up before heading home. IT’S THE RULE!                                                         John Popp                                                     in Sanford Fl.

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i’ve asked about fishing in colorado during the first week of april, and i’ve gotten mixed responses.  some say i’ll need an ice pick, others say there will be good fishing.  i’m confused. i’ll be staying in winter park, but would be willing to drive 1.5-2 hours to get  to a fishable locale.  i’m new to fly fishing, so i probably will be practicing my casting more than catching fish, but who knows?  any tips would be appreciated. anyone in colorado up for some fishing? (or teaching?) thanks, narayan — Narayan Nayar

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Dear Novice, I am an avid flyfisherman in Colorado and fish all season.  Depending on where you go you may encounter ice or clear, cold water.  The South Platte River, although heavily fished, can be fished all year around.  The area around Deckers is the most popular and has "Gold Medal" water.  You can pull out a 10lb rainbow in some of the deeper Holes (Gilpen Trail) or below Cheesman Dam.  Another place to fish is the Blue River in Silverthorne.  Some of the biggest fish are right below the Dam and in back of the outlet stores.  Word has it that their are 15lb Rainbows that are in their.  They feed on Miasis (sp?) Shrimp.  These are all within about 2 hrs or less.  One thing to remember is that the weather can be either beautiful and 50 degrees, or snowing 6-12 inches (especially in Summit county). Those are two places that you can try.  They are popular, but there are many fishing stores around to help you with fly selection and equipment.

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Can anyone out there tell me the dates etc. of the Southfield Michigan Fly Fishing Show,  Help, Help. David E. Kerridge

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Dave, The show will be held on sta&sun March 16&17 in Southfield, Mi.   See you there! tight lines DWH

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Dave, Second post, my computer died while sending the first post. Here it is again: The Southfied show will be March 16 & 17 thght lines Dave

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