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.  You post right here and now what plagiarism you’re talking about? Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use.  All I need is a verification in my records.

But, George, you put your own copyright on it and gave no author credit.  You can not, legally or morally, copyright someone else’s work in your own name.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use.

That charming little anecdote is listed on hundreds of web sites.   Which one is the "real" one?   I’d be surprised if you could even name the author, much less produce credible verification of permission. Joe F.

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Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room.

Look up "bi-polar disease".   Dave

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Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room. Look up "bi-polar disease". Dave

LOL, good one Pirate.  Hang around Michael, you will learn to sort the wheat from the chaff, and Gherke comes and goes (we all wish he’d go, but that’s another matter)  Just put him in your bozo filter.  There *is* a lot to learn from this bunch and it would be a shame to leave because of him.  If you do leave, *he* wins and we can’t have that, now can we?  Stick around and learn from some of the best ff’rs around. Frank Church in Elkhart, IN

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All right! Who lied? I was promised that "I" would be the only asshole here. Drew

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How about the innocent people who’s drinks have been spiked with LSD and who were innocent, law abiding citizens who ended up shot by power crazed cops? 30 November, 1996

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What the hell are you talking about?  LaCourse?  This lying of yours is another example of your childish behavior.  You post right here and now what plagiarism you’re talking about?  I’ve never belonged to alt.playwriters in my life.  Kiss my royal behind you chicksucker! Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use.  All I need is a verification in my records.  You, on the other hand, are nothing more then a cowardly twit.  Go stick your head in a sack and go back to breathing your glue. You dumb m.fr’

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   Aw hell George, Louie is just jealous because the voices only talk to you.   What the hell are you talking about?  LaCourse?  This lying of yours is   another example of your childish behavior.  You post right here and now   what plagiarism you’re talking about?  I’ve never belonged to   alt.playwriters in my life.  Kiss my royal behind you chicksucker!     Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on   or use.  All I need is a verification in my records.  You, on the other   hand, are nothing more then a cowardly twit.  Go stick your head in a   sack and go back to breathing your glue.     You dumb m.fr’  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room. Look up "bi-polar disease". Dave LOL, good one Pirate.  Hang around Michael, you will learn to sort the wheat from the chaff, and Gherke comes and goes (we all wish he’d go, but that’s another matter)  Just put him in your bozo filter.  There *is* a lot to learn from this bunch and it would be a shame to leave because of him.  If you do leave, *he* wins and we can’t have that, now can we?  Stick around and learn from some of the best ff’rs around.

I don’t think it’s bi-polar.  I’ve known several bi-polars.  While they have all been assholes, they’re only like him when they’re in manic phase.  Megalomania might be more like it.  And it can’t be schizophrenia, because I’e liked almost all the schizos I’ve met (except some of the extremely unhappy ones and the way too paranoid ones, both of which are, in my experience, rather rare.).   Borderline Personality Disorder is a possibility, too.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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"Ridge Hall computer assistance; may I help you?" "Yes, well, I’m having trouble with WordPerfect." "What sort of trouble?" "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away." "Went away?" "They disappeared." "Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?" "Nothing." "Nothing?" "It’s blank; it won’t accept anything when I type." "Are you still in WordPerfect, or did you get out?" "How do I tell?" "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?" "What’s a sea-prompt?" "Never mind, can you move your cursor around the screen?" "There isn’t any cursor: I told you, it won’t accept anything I type." "Does your monitor have a power indicator?" "What’s a monitor?" "It’s the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it have a little light that tells you when it’s on?" "I don’t know." "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?" "Yes, I think so." "Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it’s plugged into the wall." "Yes, it is." "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?" "No." "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable." "Okay, here it is." "Follow it for me, and tell m e if it’s plugged securely into the back of your computer." "I can’t reach." "Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?" "No." "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?" "Oh, it’s not because I don’t have the right angle –it’s because it’s dark." "Dark?" "Yes, the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window." "Well, turn on the office light then." "I can’t." "No? Why not?" "Because there’s a power failure." "A power…A power failure? Aha! Okay, we’ve got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in?" "Well, yes, I keep them in the closet." "Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from." "Really? Is it that bad?" "Yes, I’m afraid it is." "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?" "Tell them you’re too stupid to own a computer — George Gehrke  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And I thought I wouldn’t *ever* get my own thread. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC "If you’re not the lead dog, the view never changes." Tom Browns Bastard is causing ROFF to rave, a thread has been engendered, the results of this are grave, but he can go casting on ! casting over seventy feet, with a quick flick of the wrist, will cause most Orvis owners here to shake an angry fist, but  he will go casting on ! His spouse is not quite certain, what the ruckus is about, all this talk of Bastards, is causing her some doubt, but he will go casting on ! the waiting and the hoping now has not been all in vain, Tom at last is getting his awaited fighting cane, and he will go casting on ! Now Tom is the lead dog, and the view has changed for him, he is getting the first Bastard, with a special coloured trim, and he will go casting on ! lets hope he catches plenty, and enjoys his fishing too, perhaps he will be kind enough to give us a review, as he goes casting on ! TL MC

Thanks for the smile Mike…. –Walt To fish is soliloquy.

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George,  You sending this to yourself? David NB – when the rods really make an impact you can put the price up to include a ‘doubters’ premium"! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snipped) Trust me.  I couldn’t have picked a better Bastard to send the proto type to.  It was made with great care and it is a casting delight. Couldn’t have picked a better man. I’m gone. — Mr. G. ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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I have recently started fly fishing with a $35 combo rod/reel I bought at Sports Authority – its made by South Bend.  I thought that $35 was a good gamble if I didn’t like fly fishing, I wouldn’t be out alot of cash. The problem is, I love it!  I have had more fun than I can tell you! Freshwater Bass is a blast on the fly and now I am going after Snook in the brackish waters of the Indian River Lagoon here in SE Florida. I am interested in networking with others who can share information with me with regard to what flys work best and what brand/size rod and reel I should consider steping up to.

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There are a number of great fly fishing sites that offer a wealth of information, include bulletin boards, chat rooms, etc. All of these can be valuable. For a start, log onto our site and go to the links page. Click through those links and they, in turn, will lead you to others. — Hope you always have the time to go fishing! Jerry in Lodi Al & Jerry’s Excellent Adventures http://www.softcom.net/users/dorado Al & Jerry’s Fishing Forum http://pluto.beseen.com/boardroom/m/19629

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I made the trip two years ago.  The one suggestion I would make strongly is to go north via the Cassiar rather than the Alaska Highway.  The Cassiar Highway is "relatively" new,  still some stretches not paved,  VERY shy on service stations,  But well worth a try.  We had planned to go north that way and return via the Alaska Hwy, but decided to travel the Cassiar both ways.  It’s only about 500 miles of your trip,  but much more rewarding than the much busier Alaska Hwy.  The Cassiar roughly parallels the Alaska highway on the west.  You head west from Prince George on HWY 16, turn north at Kitwanga and follow the Cassiar Highway til it intercepts the Alaska Highway near Watson Lake at the British Columbia/Yukon Territory border. There’s lots of excellent fly fishing along the way.  A couple of spots that I remember particularly well:  Edentenajon Lake – great place if you have a float tube or small boat. We even caught plenty for dinner wading along the shore where we camped.  Very nice but small private camp Red Goat Lodge, right on the lake.  Cottonwood River – spent about 2 hours catching and releasing MANY large grayling just off the road.  Grayling 16 – 18 inches, which is good size for them. If you’d like to see some photos of these places let me know at Works format.  Not professional quality, but they still get me excited to head north again. You’ll have a great time.  Enjoy your trip. BARRY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : hello one and all- : i am planning my trip of a lifetime for next may- i am going to : drive from washington state to the yukon and alaska. if anyone : can recommend rivers to fish along the way i would be grateful : to hear about them. this posting marks the very beginning of my : research. my itinerary is wide open and the individual

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: hello one and all- : i am planning my trip of a lifetime for next may- i am going to : drive from washington state to the yukon and alaska. if anyone : can recommend rivers to fish along the way i would be grateful : to hear about them. this posting marks the very beginning of my : research. my itinerary is wide open and the individual : destinations will be determined by the fish and the scenery : along the way. as well as flyfishing i love photography and i’ll : be doing a lot of that too. wish i could go to sleep and wake up : in about 11 months… Starting in Washington State, point your car north.  Then turn right and go into N. Idaho.  Pick a river and begin your journey. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: hello one and all- : i am planning my trip of a lifetime for next may- i am going to : drive from washington state to the yukon and alaska. if anyone : can recommend rivers to fish along the way i would be grateful : to hear about them. this posting marks the very beginning of my : research. my itinerary is wide open and the individual : destinations will be determined by the fish and the scenery : along the way. as well as flyfishing i love photography and i’ll : be doing a lot of that too. wish i could go to sleep and wake up : in about 11 months… Starting in Washington State, point your car north.  Then turn right and go into N. Idaho.  Pick a river and begin your journey.

As a starter buy a copy of the "Milepost" highway travel guide. It gives a detailed description of the Alaska Highway and gives details of the rivers and creeks that you cross and what fish are in them. There’s a lot of Grayling. I’ve driven the highway 3 times. Now days it’s just a well paved road through the wilderness with beautiful scenery Ed. Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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hello one and all- i am planning my trip of a lifetime for next may- i am going to drive from washington state to the yukon and alaska. if anyone can recommend rivers to fish along the way i would be grateful to hear about them. this posting marks the very beginning of my research. my itinerary is wide open and the individual destinations will be determined by the fish and the scenery along the way. as well as flyfishing i love photography and i’ll be doing a lot of that too. wish i could go to sleep and wake up in about 11 months… thanks for any and all suggestions- greg

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I will be in Salida Co next week for a day or two.  Iam interested in fishing a bit. Any suggestions would be appreciated;  best locations, flys to try, local contacts.  Thanks in advance for your help.  james mahan

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I will be in Salida Co next week for a day or two.  Iam interested in fishing a bit. Any suggestions would be appreciated;  best locations, flys to try, local contacts.  Thanks in advance for your help. james mahan

I would suggest the South Platte near Deckers.  It’s less than an hour from there and is supposedly fishing great.  I haven’t fished there in a while, but that would be my favorite place near Salida.  There is a fly shop in Deckers that can probably let you know what the fish are taking.  Wildcat

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I am planning a trip to the Cranberry River in WV, sometime in mid-May.  I would appreciate any recommendation on patterns, hatches, etc.  I would be grateful for any help. Kevin

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My husband has a 60 acre farm in Webster County, near the Cranberry river.  He is very familiar with the fly fishing on that river and says the yellow Stone flies will be hatching.  Good fly patterns are Light Cahill and Yellow Drake Spinner.  Also,  a Gray Fox or Adams.  If no hatches occuring, the Royal Wulff. If you have anymore questions about the area, feel free to contact me. Also, if you are interested in a place to stay, we can give you more info.

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Don’t know for sure about the Cranberry … but just north of there, the March Browns come off starting about May 1 …. probably on the Cranberry as well …. large #12 … much fun …. Bob

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What are the best EASILY AVAILABLE books on salmon fishing and tying salmon flies? Thanx for the help.

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What are the best EASILY AVAILABLE books on salmon fishing and tying salmon flies? Thanx for the help.

First I presume you are asking about Atlantic salmon books, not books relating to inferior <vbg Pacific species. As I write, Fishing Atlantic Salmon by Joe Bates and Pamela Bates Richards, is the best and most available Atlantic salmon fly fishing and fly tying book. It is published by Stackpole and goes for $75.00(US)–although I am reliably informed that a little shopping around might beat that price. Poul Jorgensen’s Salmon Flies is always recommended for fly tying and is easily available. Bates’ much earlier book, Atlantic Salmon Flies and Fishing, is a great classic and has been reissued by Stackpole. Finally, my own, Atlantic Salmon – A Fly Fishing Primer (mimimal fly-tying), can usually be found in second hand catalogs at indecently low prices. Paul Marriner

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What are the best EASILY AVAILABLE books on salmon fishing and tying salmon flies? Thanx for the help.

What kind of salmon and where?  Full dress atlantic salmon flies or pacific/alaska shiny "purty" things?

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Fishing, is a great classic and has been reissued by Stackpole. Finally, my own, Atlantic Salmon – A Fly Fishing Primer (mimimal fly-tying), can usually be found in second hand catalogs at indecently low prices. Paul Marriner

All great fishing books eventually get remaindered. Known fact. Charles Cotton had the same problem. Andrew

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For Atlantic Salmon fishing I swear by Hugh Falkus’ book "Salmon Fishing" available here through Orvis and presumably others.

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Try Fly Fishing for Pacific Salmon, Bruce Ferguson, Les Johnson, Pat Trotter, Frank Amato Publications.

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I’m going to find myself in Oregon toward the end of June and plan to take a few days for fishing.  The only Rivers I know of are the Deschutes and the Umpqua.  Can anyone advise me on them?  Are they worth fishing in June?  Any steelhead that time of year?  What flies should I bring?  What rod?  Thanks in advance.

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I’m going to find myself in Oregon toward the end of June and plan to take a few days for fishing.  The only Rivers I know of are the Deschutes and the Umpqua.  Can anyone advise me on them?  Are they worth fishing in June?  Any steelhead that time of year?  What flies should I bring?  What rod?  Thanks in advance.

Fly fishing on The Deschutes is excellent in June for "Redsides" (Rainbows). The Salmon Fly hatch should be well under way and the little Yellow Stoneflies will be right after. Your fly box should hold some Stimulators, Bucktail and/or Elk Hair Caddis, PMD’s and a few nymphs like Pheasant Tails, Hare’s Ear, etc. Steelhead start up the river in July and continue through the end of the year with Aug – Sept. usually best. If you are interested in a guided trip, I fish the lower 20 miles of The Deschutes via Jet Boat and I have a Drift Boat guide that fishes all segments. Feel free to contact me for more info.

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OOPS! Thought my signature would print. http://www.gorge.net/fishing/yfs/ Young’s Fishing Service, Inc. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to find myself in Oregon toward the end of June and plan to take a few days for fishing.  The only Rivers I know of are the Deschutes and the Umpqua.  Can anyone advise me on them?  Are they worth fishing in June?  Any steelhead that time of year?  What flies should I bring?  What rod?  Thanks in advance.

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says… Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

It’s a great leader for the small stream technical fishing that I do here in the Blue Ridge Mtns. It lays out nice with no memory and is the best leader by far I’ve ever used for bow and arrow casting into small pockets under and around mountain laurel. I’ve never used it for wide open water so I can’t comment on it for that but I suspect it would more than suffice for stillwater situations where you would desire a light presentation. I don’t believe I’d use it for nymphing. –Walt

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forgot to mention one thing…. throw away the mono bimini-twist tippet they provide. THAT IS A PIECE OF JUNK  and will cause you nothing but pain, frustration and agony on the river. I build my own 2 to 6 foot tippet addition with a loop to connect to the braided leader. –Walt

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says… Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog. Check out the new Airflo leaders. They’re available in floating and several

different sink rates. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a great leader for the small stream technical fishing that I do here in the Blue Ridge Mtns. It lays out nice with no memory and is the best leader by far I’ve ever used for bow and arrow casting into small pockets under and around mountain laurel. I’ve never used it for wide open water so I can’t comment on it for that but I suspect it would more than suffice for stillwater situations where you would desire a light presentation. I don’t believe I’d use it for nymphing. –Walt

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i use them for nymphing all the time.. the braided section tends to grip a strike indicator very well and the bimmini twist in the tippet helps to turn over a wieghted

fly quite well.. the only trouble i have had with them is that they tend to streach a bit when striking a fish Steve

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I use braided leaders all the time, for surface flies and nymphs, mostly because they’re soooo easy. But they also work. This topic comes up every now and then, and the only real criticism that I can resonate with is that they tend to hold water and so can create a spray. This can scare spooky fish, especially in flat water, but false casts cure it.

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… I use braided leaders all the time, for surface flies and nymphs, mostly because they’re soooo easy. But they also work. This topic comes up every now and then, and the only real criticism that I can resonate with is that they tend to hold water and so can create a spray. This can scare spooky fish, especially in flat water, but false casts cure it.

 Airflo also produce a tapered leader called ‘Polyleader’ – these have a  monofilament core surrounded by a tapered coating which does away with  the splashing problem.  About 5 feet long, you just tie on a mono  tippet as for the braided type and they turn over pretty well.  cheers all,  Dave — Fishy pix of N.Wales at:  http://xavier.bangor.ac.uk/dlane/fishing/ He that is giddy thinks the world turns round.

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Dave,     I have used the AirFlo leader and found it to be very useful.  For a beginning fly fisher my local shop suggested I skin back a little of the tippet end of the leader to expose the core and tie a loop.  I can then change tippets with a simple handshake knot very quickly.  The setup certainly casts very well with my limited ability and offers great flexibility as I make up various size tippets in advance. Wayne To fish is human…to release devine.

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Dave,    I have used the AirFlo leader and found it to be very useful.

Ditto, I find the Airflo Poly leader the best I’ve ever used. Wes

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Tom, I have been using an Orvis braided for about a year now, for dry’s , nymphs and streamers. I am still using the same leader, where as before I would go through a dozen leaders a season (actually saves me $).  They are great, hardly ever knot up, but when they do you must be very careful because you can ruin it picking it apart. They tend to sink easier tham mono, but when fishing a dry a little floatant takes care of the problem.  They turn over great and have no memory. Scott Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

– Scott Maxwell http://www.page.az.net/scud

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: They are too expensive at $9-10. I got a 9′ 5X about 3 months ago and : it has fallen apart (fished once a week). Flies that have a tendency : to twist (hoppers) will tangle a lot faster. After a couple of trips, : it started to fray and cause the line to tangle even more. : On the other hand. There is little memory. Just rig the line off the : reel. I have an Orvis line with the loop and it makes a good fit. It : did seem to help with controlling drag. No problems casting small : drys. : I wish it would be a little more durable or a little less expensive. : I might buy another but only use it when casting small drys. : Michael L You may want to try the AirFlo braided leaders.  I’ve been using them for several years and really like them.  They’re more durable than the Orvis leaders and they seem to float better as well. I also really like their lack of memory.  A little more spray than monofilament leaders (tho not much); but not a problem if you don’t make your first cast after pickup over the fish you are casting to (a good idea even if you’re not using braided leaders).  I’ve used these leaders with really small flies on spring creeks (Silver Creek and the Henry’s Fork) and not ever had a problem with presentation or spooking fish due to a braided leader (of course I usually fish downstream in these situations).  In fact the braided leader usually allows me to make a better presentation because it has so little memory.  I think the AirFlo leaders cost around $7-8.  They also have sinking braided leaders with different sink rates; makes it easy to create a sink tip from your floating line (or give your sinking line a little more "sink" at the tip). – Ward — —  Ward Foster            Hewlett-Packard, Boise Idaho

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

Hi All, This all happened about 10 years ago here in California. Orvis and others brought in the tapered braided leaders and they soon died off. I hear that they are alive and well in Europe. Try it, you might like it? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog. Hi All, This all happened about 10 years ago here in California. Orvis and others brought in the tapered braided leaders and they soon died off. I hear that they are alive and well in Europe. Try it, you might like it? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Hi! I use them for nymphing on big rivers, With small dries and small creeks I use mono. I think they are best for big waters and bigger fish. In other words the opposite opinion from earlier writers on this subject. Hans

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

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Tom, When they first came out Orvis was giving away samples so I took one and stuck it in my tackle box where it remains still in its wrapper. I make my own leaders.  If you want it give me your mailing address and I will send it to you. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them.

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They are too expensive at $9-10. I got a 9′ 5X about 3 months ago and it has fallen apart (fished once a week). Flies that have a tendency to twist (hoppers) will tangle a lot faster. After a couple of trips, it started to fray and cause the line to tangle even more. On the other hand. There is little memory. Just rig the line off the reel. I have an Orvis line with the loop and it makes a good fit. It did seem to help with controlling drag. No problems casting small drys. I wish it would be a little more durable or a little less expensive. I might buy another but only use it when casting small drys. Michael L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them. All I know is what I read about them in their catalog. Never heard of anyone really using this setup…the guy at the local Orvis shop thought they had been discontinued until I showed them to him in the catalog.

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Interested in opinions about or experiences with Orvis’ braided leaders and the long (4 ft) tippets that loop connect to them.

– I purchased one 8-ft braided section (w/4-ft 5X tippet) this spring based on the recommendation of a friend who also gave me some other advice… 1.  Trash the 4-foot bimini twist tippet with the package 2.  Loop a 3-foot section of 3X to the braided leader 3.  Tie on a 4-foot section of 5X-7X depending on conditions 4.  Dress the braided leader with a very light wax/silicone coating     to prevent water uptake and enhance floatability Makes a good 15-ft small tippet leader that turns over like a 9-foot knotless tapered leader.  I have had good success with this set-up fishing both small drys and nymphs on the tailwater streams here in NE TN this season.   Still fishing the original braided section (over 15-trips), but it probably won’t make it to next season. My understanding is that Orvis has coated the braided sections (see #4 above) on some of the later versions of this leader set-up due to problems with water uptake and misting.             | /              |/    (         /|     —     / | C. Michael Bullard The Yellar Hammer

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Jim.  Buy one roll of 5x braided and then in a warm well lighted room try to thread a freshly cut section of braided tippet through the eye of a # 20 hook.  This may help you decided if you want to switch over

I’m actually interested in a braided butt section, since that is the part that is really stiff.  I plan to stick with mono tippets, since they’re flexible enough.  I think a braided butt would be better for eliminating drag. — Jim Benenson                 Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA "The commonplace is only the self-constructed wall that separates us from the marvelous"  Tom Brown, Jr.

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I own a set of Orvis braided leaders.  While they do produce tight loops, they soak up water.  This make them heavy to pick up on the backcast and you run the risk of spooking fish with the spray during false casts. Lastly, I tried to add a 4 foot section of tippet material to the 5 foot braided leader (making it a nine foot leader).  THe tippet section did not straighten well.  Orvis sells tippet sections that are supposedly tapered, but they are expensive. Daren Valentine

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I use the Orvis braided leaders and LOVE them.  They last for about two years and I just tie on a length of tippet material on the end, then change that from time to time.  I’ve used both the light ones on my 5 weight rod, and the medium weight ones on my 7 weight.  I feel that the price is justified, even though I have to buy tippet material too.  Plus like you say, they’re not as stiff.

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I use the Orvis braided leaders and LOVE them.  They last for about two years and I just tie on a length of tippet material on the end, then change that from time to time.  I’ve used both the light ones on my 5 weight rod, and the medium weight ones on my 7 weight.  I feel that the price is justified, even though I have to buy tippet material too.  Plus like you say, they’re not as stiff. Don’t you have problems with wind knots? I know wk’s are mainly due to poor casting technique, but I always seem to have more problems with the braided leaders. But you are correct – they are limp. Bob –

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