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If you think that is weird, check out this; Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Lincoln’s secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy’s secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners. Both successors were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. Coincidence? Hardly… Your Bug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

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Thanks, Wayne, Frank, Dave.   She’s out of danger now, just getting meds adjusted and the doctors popping in with contradictory opinions on when she can go home.  I think some want to keep her until they can track down the cause, rather than just letting her go when she seems okay.   It’s just wearing when everything to do with my kids or pets is always emergencies (okay, myself, too.).   When even the cats wait to get sick until the regular vet is closed, you know you’ve got a pattern going.  Although the dog never required a vet ER and my husband never even sees a regular doctor.  I have now seen the ERs of 5 different hospitals (not counting the ones I worked for in the long ago.) for actual emergencies.  Some of them more than once.   She sympathized with me about camping and fishing.  Said if she were in my spot, she’d want to go, too.  Heck, even though she hates camping and has never fished, she’d probably rather be doing that then trying to con the nurses in to taking her out for a cigarette. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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cyli writes: BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though.  

You and I would get along very well.  Hope your daughter is better. Dave

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You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze. BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless

My best to you and yours.  Hope all is better soonest. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Mom and daughter both, HANG IN THERE!  Remember Nancy’s web site I sent you? Go there and drop her a note to let her know what’s going on with your daughter trial’s and tribulations.  I think you’ll find her a great person to "talk" to.  Her insights can be most enlightening. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks, but my next week promises to be almost as nasty as last, except it seems my daughter _is_ likely to live.  But the only day off she’s giving me from visiting her in the hospital is tomorrow (today? Sunday, anyway.).   What are the odds an apparently healthy 30 year old woman would suddenly come down with clots all over her body? Doctors are going nuts (always a good sign, means they’re working hard at discovering the cause.).  They thought she’d be coming home on about Monday or Tuesday, but complications have ensued. You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze. BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Say, the guy who was supposed to go down to Cape Lookout with me this coming weekend has to fly to Europe instead.  Lots of False Albacore and camping on the beach.  If you can get to Richmond by Thursday evening and bring your basic camping stuff, I have an extra Albacore rig and room in the car.  Just think! 20 randy old guys out on a spit of sand in the Atlantic and ONE woman!! (do you cook?)   BTW, The invitation is for reel!

Thanks, but my next week promises to be almost as nasty as last, except it seems my daughter _is_ likely to live.  But the only day off she’s giving me from visiting her in the hospital is tomorrow (today? Sunday, anyway.).   What are the odds an apparently healthy 30 year old woman would suddenly come down with clots all over her body? Doctors are going nuts (always a good sign, means they’re working hard at discovering the cause.).  They thought she’d be coming home on about Monday or Tuesday, but complications have ensued. You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze.   BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Say, the guy who was supposed to go down to Cape Lookout with me this coming weekend has to fly to Europe instead.  Lots of False Albacore and camping on the beach.  If you can get to Richmond by Thursday evening and bring your basic camping stuff, I have an extra Albacore rig and room in the car.  Just think! 20 randy old guys out on a spit of sand in the Atlantic and ONE woman!! (do you cook?)   BTW, The invitation is for reel! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who cares? You came on with all the same errors he did, so whether or not you’re him is immaterial to those of us who are or are studying to be assholes. Maybe you were twins separated at birth? …and I`m not leaving. Okay. Your Bug Not mine.  It can take years of good posts and good manners to make me mellow out.   For my first 5 years or so of electronic communications I was regarded as kindly and forgiving.  I got over it.  For the next 5 years or so, I only took out after the occasional user who reminded me of a horde of black flies.  I got over that, too.  Now I can take offense at mere gnats, if their timing is right and their promise is of growth. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Rest Your case! Without further checking of the accuracy of your facts, this obviously proves that the asassinations were planned and performed by the same "Firm", maybe they should be a bit more inventious in their planning… There is a lawyer in the house, what do You say?? Coincidence #2: John Kennedy (Toole) wrote of a confederacy of dunces, You wrote of a confederacy against John (F) Kennedy… Weird world this! Stefan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you think that is weird, check out this; Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Lincoln’s secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy’s secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners. Both successors were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. Coincidence? Hardly… Your Bug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink. Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

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Who cares?   You came on with all the same errors he did, so whether or not you’re him is immaterial to those of us who are or are studying to be assholes. Maybe you were twins separated at birth?   …and I`m not leaving.

Okay. Your Bug

Not mine.  It can take years of good posts and good manners to make me mellow out.   For my first 5 years or so of electronic communications I was regarded as kindly and forgiving.  I got over it.  For the next 5 years or so, I only took out after the occasional user who reminded me of a horde of black flies.  I got over that, too.  Now I can take offense at mere gnats, if their timing is right and their promise is of growth. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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…and I`m not leaving.

Wow, are you pathetic.  You even went to the trouble of locating the incorrect apostrophe on your keyboard.  Really sad.

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Nicely done. Though, in truth, you needn’t have bothered, as with the possible exception of Citizen Luser himself, everyone here knew he and "nolio" were one and the same pathetic moron f*ckwit… /daytripper (On him from the jump.)

It’s kind of like a sore festering under a bandage.  You know it’s ugly, but you just have to lift the bandage to look anyway. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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find other posts from this gentleman. He lives in Iowa. However, he did make a purchase on eBay… In fact, do a search on Michael Collier, and see how common that name is. Admittedly, the coincidence is stunning. Very sloppy investigative work, though. You did not complete your research. You would get torn apart on cross-examination. Anyway, good luck, Bug. We will see how long you can withstand the constant affronts to your common sense. This is one weird place. — Citizen Fisherman I promote Waterloo rods www.waterloorods.com

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Snookered again Collier, you whacko.

I’ve come across some pathetic losers on Usenet, but Collier takes the prize.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly.

Nicely done. Though, in truth, you needn’t have bothered, as with the possible exception of Citizen Luser himself, everyone here knew he and "nolio" were one and the same pathetic moron f*ckwit… /daytripper (On him from the jump.)

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug

Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away.

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…and I`m not leaving.

Your stuff is much more interesting than the cross posted environmental drivel.

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away.

Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream? — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

It’s pretty popular actually.  Not something you would want to eat all the time, but it can be pretty tasty!

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<SNIP The aspiration for ‘reasonable contentment’ is one we probably all share, Mike. I’m not sure it’s been the driving force behind mankind’s most impressive achievements, though.

War has usually been the driving force for man

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<SNIP Good for you. Here’s a bit more. Don’t call a perfectly reasonable post by a valued contributor "horse crap" and don’t try to justify a clueless and moronic scold of same by citing every friggin’ fish you’ve ever hooked as your bona fides.

<SNIP Thanks for the support, it is most appreciated. Some things are indeed not worth wasting time on though, and I would hate for you to get flamed on my account! TL MC

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… I would hate for you to get flamed on my account!

Thanks for your concern, if I ever got flamed I’d be like SO devastated. — Ken Fortenberry

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… I would hate for you to get flamed on my account! Thanks for your concern, if I ever got flamed I’d be like SO devastated. — Ken Fortenberry

I don’t understand why this is even being discussed. With Ken’s mild-mannered approach to other’s feelings, I can’t imagine anyone contemplating even a slight flame. Tim (yeah, I know, I’m a fuckin’ moron)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SNIP So I guess there’s more than one view  around here. Gary Oh there are lots of views around here. Big game fishing sounds very attractive, but it is unlikely that I will ever do any. Like some other things, bonefishing, or stalking flats or mangroves for various exciting fish. My back would in any case almost certainly not be up to it. I have enjoyed reading about it, or hearing various reports from time to time though. I fear dry-fly fishing is a much more sedate affair. Just as exciting and interesting in its own way though. I hope you get the opportunity to do some.

Hi Mike, you are right about dryfly fishing being just as exciting as saltwater flyfishing.  I remember my first trip saltwater flyfishing: 3 weeks in Grand Cayman and a lot of small tarpon to 25lbs.  As the trip was drawing in, I started cringing as to how I would be able to get back on terms with the 1lb wild brownies in my local stream.  Lo and behold,  after 20 mins on the stream I had completely forgotten the saltwater battles, as I was totally immersed in fishing the dryfly.

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… I would hate for you to get flamed on my account! Thanks for your concern, if I ever got flamed I’d be like SO devastated. — Ken Fortenberry

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Boring?  Check out the lampoon’s sequel, Bored of the Rings, fun at first, but a bit overworked. That’s a book from the 60’s or 70’s, not a movie. But, no, I didn’t find the book boring.  Like any movie based on a great book, it never meats your expectations, but this one was so much better than Dune that I couldn’t muster a complaint, and I will see the next two. Chas Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and expertise that went into it ?    

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Boring?  Check out the lampoon’s sequel, Bored of the Rings, fun at first, but a bit overworked. That’s a book from the 60’s or 70’s, not a movie. But, no, I didn’t find the book boring.  Like any movie based on a great book, it never meats your expectations, but this one was so much better than Dune that I couldn’t muster a complaint, and I will see the next two.

Your use of Dune as an example of how a movie can disappoint the book reader is a good one. But there are two versions of Dune out there. The first one is about 2.5 hours with rumors of enough material on the cutting room floor to a) fill in the gaps for those who had not read the book and b) double its length. Then there’s the later version which IS about 5 hours in length and is much truer to the character types & plot development of the book. I somewhat enjoyed the first, but had to keep whispering to my wife about who that sudden new character was, why the seemingly arbitrary shifts in plot elelments, etc. The  second is far better both as cimematography and as book adaptation – but it’s not up there with Casablanca, Schindler’s List or The Wizard of Oz. Likewise the current 1/3 of LOTR; it’s fairly good entertainment but on the long haul only so-so. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

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It seemed to be more of a preteen movie. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Boring?  Check out the lampoon’s sequel, Bored of the Rings, fun at first, but a bit overworked. That’s a book from the 60’s or 70’s, not a movie. But, no, I didn’t find the book boring.  Like any movie based on a great book, it never meats your expectations, but this one was so much better than Dune that I couldn’t muster a complaint, and I will see the next two. Your use of Dune as an example of how a movie can disappoint the book reader is a good one. But there are two versions of Dune out there. The first one is about 2.5 hours with rumors of enough material on the cutting room floor to a) fill in the gaps for those who had not read the book and b) double its length. Then there’s the later version which IS about 5 hours in length and is much truer to the character types & plot development of the book. I somewhat enjoyed the first, but had to keep whispering to my wife about who that sudden new character was, why the seemingly arbitrary shifts in plot elelments, etc. The  second is far better both as cimematography and as book adaptation – but it’s not up there with Casablanca, Schindler’s List or The Wizard of Oz. Likewise the current 1/3 of LOTR; it’s fairly good entertainment but on the long haul only so-so. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Second-ratedness, unfailing law of: Never be the first to try anything.    anon.

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Yup. Instead of parts of the book, it WAS one cliffhanger after another. After four or five they began to run out of dramatic soundtrack…..but I will give them credit for the old college try….better than seeing it butchered I guess.  They definitely put some thought into it. I’m out on the sequels…… john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings  movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and  expertise that went into it ? Are you old enough to remember that great satire, Bored of the Rings? The books were so boring I never got past page 3 of the first one. I’ve heard that the movie is just one cliff hanger followed by another. Take heart, Greg. You won’t have to waste your money on the next two movies, which are already in the can. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Boring?  Check out the lampoon’s sequel, Bored of the Rings, fun at first, but a bit overworked. That’s a book from the 60’s or 70’s, not a movie. But, no, I didn’t find the book boring.  Like any movie based on a great book, it never meats your expectations, but this one was so much better than Dune that I couldn’t muster a complaint, and I will see the next two. Chas

I loved the Lord of the Rings movie. I have read the books many times and the movie did a pretty good job. The problem is that with such an epic book any movie nearly always ends up as a  series of vignettes that communicates the plot in the shortest way possible. This is at the expense of the ambience and magnificence of the book. Dune, the TV Series on SciFi, is much better than the Dune movie. Definitely captures the middle-easterness of the book and the effects are excellent. Gary

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Don’t get me started about the visual effects . . . granted I still have the taste of sour grapes still in my mouth [I worked on Pearl Harbor, and it beat us out for the Visual Effects Oscar]. My best description of the movie . . . fight, fight, run, close-up of Frodo crying, fight , run, close-up of Frodo crying, fight, fight, fight, close-up of Frodo crying, run, fight, fight [you get the idea]. The movie moves at a snails pace in my opinion.  After the last scene in the movie (where they are looking towards their ultimate goal), I turn to my wife and said . . . "It’s going to take them 2 more movies to get over there?". But, on a side note . . . If I was young and single . . . I wouldn’t think twice about heading down th N.Z. and working on the other 2 movies . . . that way I could fish on my one day off.  snicker snicker -Marshall – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yup. Instead of parts of the book, it WAS one cliffhanger after another. After four or five they began to run out of dramatic soundtrack….  Agreed.   I was trying to figure out how much of what  I was seeing was actual NZ vs computer generation  vs good old fashioned special effects.  Some of it  was quite obvious but much of it was quite difficult.

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Don’t get me started about the visual effects . . . granted I still have the taste of sour grapes still in my mouth [I worked on Pearl Harbor, and it beat us out for the Visual Effects Oscar].

I obviously don’t pay enough attention to the Oscars, but having seen both movies Pearl Harbor beat Rings hands down in the visual effects category IMHO.  Every time there was a group of people walking in front of matted scenery I kept thinking that they were purposely trying to make it look like a bad B-movie from the 50’s.      - Ken

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Yes, they have been "shot".  But they are in what is called "Post Production" now – Meaning the visual effects are being created as we speak.  I know this because several of my co-workers have taken the option to go down and work on the second and third movies.  The visual effects will not be completed for the second movie until at least November. This is a very labor and computing intensive business. I just finished working on Star Wars – Eposide II – Saturday, [they actually called me out of a flyfishing seminar with Mel Krieger at the Golden Gate park casting pools, to tweak a final shot ]. And this Star Wars movie has been "shot" for a few months now.  The next project I start in May, will not be completed until next June. Cheers, Marshall – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  The other two have already been made (tho I  assume that they will be tocuhed up/recut a  bit in response to critiques of the first one). But, on a side note . . . If I was young and single . . . I wouldn’t think twice about heading down th N.Z. and working on the other 2 movies . . . that way I could fish on my one day off.  snicker snicker

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I somewhat enjoyed the first, but had to keep whispering to my wife about who that sudden new character was, why the seemingly arbitrary shifts in plot elelments, etc. The  second is far better both as cimematography and as book adaptation – but it’s not up there with Casablanca, Schindler’s List or The Wizard of Oz.

I didn’t like the first at all but your assessment of the second is on the money, IMO. Especially considering that it was a made for TV movie, I thought it was well made. After my disappointment with the first movie, I almost didn’t watch the second. Willi

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 Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings  movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and  expertise that went into it ?

My wife found it rather boring.  She felt it did deserve an Oscar nomination  however because obviously it was an example of grand moviemaking.  I found it entertaining.  But I’m a geek. Mu

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Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and expertise that went into it ?    

I read the books passionately when a child, but haven’t for a long time. Went to the movie in dread, and utterly loved it. i thought it was terrific. LC — Lazarus Cooke

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OTOH, it was rather non-pc to exclude gay Tom Bombadil, don’t you think ?

I thought he was married?  But then …. Lc — Lazarus Cooke

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 Also, their problem domain scales nicely, so their test data can be much smaller inputs resulting in much smaller scenes, and if those go well the giga-pixel scenes probably will too, just with lot’s more computer time…

I’m copying this out, and learning it off by heart, so as to know what to say when people ask me what I thought of the movie. LC — Lazarus Cooke

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It may be that those who’ve written the engines have been careful about these issues, but even then my guess is that their "validation" consists of looking at the scene and deciding whether it looks good or not. (I suppose one might consider that to be the ultimate validation, anyways).

I also thought that the math libraries were a bit smarter in how they handled floating point calculations as well, such that a lot of the "fun" was buried to the point of not being considered by "modern" programmers…

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 I assumed that there would be a lot of iterative  floating point calculations and that there would  be some concern about values wandering out  of precision after a large number of iterations,  but that’s based on guessing at what actually  goes on with this stuff.

It’s basically a matter of projecting virtual light rays from pixels in the virtual film plane out through the virtual focal point and into the 3D model, determining what surface in the model the ray intersects, and then using a lighting model and the reflectance properties of the surfaces in the model to determine what the color and intensity of the pixel should be. There are lots of special hacks to make things realistic. For example, how do you render fog? It wouldn’t be feasible to model every little water droplet. It’s essentially a simulation of the physics of actual photography, with a few added hacks. This is a very parallel computation — every pixel value can, in principle, be computed independently. It’s pretty easy to put lots of processors to work on the problem with good efficiency.

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This is a very parallel computation — every pixel value can, in principle, be computed independently. It’s pretty easy to put lots of processors to work on the problem with good efficiency.

which is why a significant portion of Toy Story could be done using a bank of Quadras. Mu

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I loved the Lord of the Rings movie. I have read the books many times and the movie did a pretty good job. The problem is that with such an epic book any movie nearly always ends up as a  series of vignettes that communicates the plot in the shortest way possible. This is at the expense of the ambience and magnificence of the book.

Ditto on loving it! I resisted watching the movie for months because the books were so important to me as a kid. I lived in the woods of Maine, and one Christmas break, I read them a lot of times. A lot. Probably some sort of record. You gotta keep in mind, I was an insecure, alienated little kid, was snowed in miles away from neighbors, and I fell in love with the fantasy world of Middle Earth. Pretty much memorized the books. So when the movie came out, I refused to go because I didn’t want to superimpose the visual images over my rich imaginary images. But yesterday, feeling particularly middle-agish and lost in another land, I went for a walk and happened across a movie theater just as LoTR was starting. Bought the ticket and went in. The movie didn’t have to ‘fill in the blanks’ for me, or have a particularly integritous plot: I still have the books memorized, and I know the characters like I know my own relatives. Instead, the images were like a photo album from my childhood, with characters I’ve been missing, and places I wish I could see IRL. That old adventurous spirit. Anyway, I sat there for the whole freaking movie with tears creeping down, one at a time. I felt like a nostalgic old idiot until I noticed the guy next to me doing the same. I loved the movie. I won’t see it again, because I want to keep my old mental images intact, but it sure was nice to see those old friends again. Oh yeah, I also cried because I’ll NEVER get to lay Liv Tyler. riverman

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I found a couple of disturbing gaps, like the pc move of changing Glorfindel

<SNIP OTOH, it was rather non-pc to exclude gay Tom Bombadil, don’t you think ? — Gary M

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Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and expertise that went into it ?

No.  I loved every minute of it.  I’ve read the trilogy dozens of times, and found the movie to be strikingly true to the original text.  It was spellbinding to this old hippie.  

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says… Does anyone else think that the new Lord of the Rings movie is boring, in spite of the outstanding care and expertise that went into it ? No.  I loved every minute of it.  I’ve read the trilogy dozens of times, and found the movie to be strikingly true to the original text.  It was spellbinding to this old hippie.  

I found a couple of disturbing gaps, like the pc move of changing Glorfindel (I believe…as I DON’T have the books memorized ) into Arwen, making Arwen more of a warrior than depicted in the books. The battle with Gandalf and Saruman was botched as well. It’s more accurate, I believe, to say that the movie is in the same spirit as the book. Rob

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 I remember seeing a very short sequence from the  last Star Wars movie which apparently took several  months’ computer time to generate.  Validating the  software for something like this must take a lot of  time.

I may be a few years out of date, and maybe someone can correct me, but I believe one program is used for the overwhelming majority of 3D computer graphics in films: Pixar’s RenderMan. Rendering images (that’s what it’s called) with a computer is routine, but expensive. The hard part is building the models. The coolest special effect I’ve seen in a long time was in a recent Blockbuster commercial. Two animals in a pet store across the street from the Blockbuster were trying to get attention. The cool thing is that the filmmakers rendered fur convincingly. Fur is hard. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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My wife found it rather boring.  She felt it did deserve an Oscar nomination  however because obviously it was an example of grand moviemaking.  I found it entertaining.  But I’m a geek. Mu

    you are also a wonderful creator of flies.  mine arrived this afternoon. i will probably keep a couple just to admire.     thanks, mu. yfitons wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Good question. The parts with actual scenery are pretty obvious if you have been or lived here, if not I guess it would be hard to tell. Having said that my fianc

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How about taking this to an email status, guys. I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

– http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness. Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

Ah nothing like a little dose of salt for a wound.  Sorry RW, I know you could care less but I think this was a low blow and rather presumptuous of you.  I don’t know the circumstances surrounding Mr. Colliers pup…given that, I certainly wouldn’t affix blame.  Even if I did know, I don’t see the point in the blame game anyway…I’m sure he’ll learn all he needs to about Parvo by the time this is all done. Michael F. Pitch (Natty)

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Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza! I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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You first, clueless newbie! Op

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Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza!

Nah, we got you beat all over for incivility, bud. We don’t have a T&R commission trying to keep us straight, either.

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

Mike, Got a pup myself. Wouldn’t trade him for a million. However, I wouldn’t give you $.10 for another. Seriously, hope your pet gets well. Ken Williams

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Bovine Excrement on your part rw!  Friend’s dog got parvo at the vets when he went in for the parvo shots.  Manure happens. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up. Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… If they’re parents who exposed their kids to a deadly, contagious, and preventable disease through negligence, I’ll pass. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Calif Bill writes: Bovine Excrement on your part rw!  Friend’s dog got parvo at the vets when he went in for the parvo shots.  Manure happens. Bill

No doubt about it.  The best place to catch it is *at* the vet’s.  If you bring an unprotected puppy to the vet’s office, you should bring a large towel for the dog to sit/lie on.  While a good vet will spray and clean the surfaces exposed to dogs/puppies, there is still the chance that the virus will survive.  So, beat it by not allowing the puppy on *any* of the surfaces at the vet’s office until the pup is fully vaccinated.  It is the only sure way to protect your dog.  Although rw was a little blunt in his approach of placing blame, it is the human’s fault that the animal gets infected.  Keep the pup away from possible infected surfaces. I leave for Idaho in a few hours.  Unfortunately, Henry can’t go with me…d;0( Dave

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Not your falt.  Parvo shots don’t always prevent your dog from getting it but it may lessen the effect enough that he’ll live.  Parvo can stay in the ground where an infected dog has dumped for a year or more, so chances are you never nknew where he came up with it. Bill Pentheny Adams (PA) County Bassmasters Cheasapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue

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True,,, Although the good old T&R aren’t all that straight themselves. ‘Bout as straight as a caddis hook I reckon. Ari Yeesh. And I  thought that the South African where a heartless bunch! Yowza! Nah, we got you beat all over for incivility, bud. We don’t have a T&R commission trying to keep us straight, either.

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…so it is fitting that the dog should die to punish his master’s mistakes. Hmm. Interesting viewpoint.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one.

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Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when

it was in your care….<   Let me tell you a story, rw…and please, comment on it.  I raised a litter of pointers a few years ago.   They were whelped in my garage.  Never around any dogs except their mother.  I started giving them shots at 5 weeks (when I weaned them).   I gave them a shot at 5 weeks, a shot at 6, one at 8, one at 10 and one at 14.  5 shots in all.  I kept 4 of these puppies.  They were in a new pen that had never had other dogs in it.  At 17/18 weeks, two of them developed parvo and subsequently died.  The other two (in the same pen) lived and showed no signs of sickness.   I see no reason why 2 puppies out of 4, raised under identical conditions would develop parvo and 2 would not.  Obviously, they were "exposed" to parvo but I can’t for the life of me figure how unless I carried it in on my boots from a field trial.  BUT, I had given them *5* shots and only 2 of the 4 died.  Shit happens.

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Dog’s fine and is coming home this afternoon. Thanks for all the kind words. — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog…

I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness. Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I wish you a lot of good luck with your puppy.  Your right about how quick you get to loving a pup.  I hope this works out well for you and your pup. PS:  Wish it was my ex who got the Parvo instead Richard

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Don’t know about the divorce part, but one of the hardest things I’ve had to do was put down my Aussie. Tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks. Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman Don’t sweat it. One of the worst times I ever had was when I had to put my last dog down. Hell of a lot worse than divorcing my old lady. —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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rw writes: Never, ever let your pup around other dogs, or in places where other dogs roam, until it’s had its full set of parvo shots. These are typically given every three to four weeks until the dog is four months old. The dog is NOT immune until it’s had all the shots. A parvo booster shot is given once a year.

When we got Henry two and half years ago at age 8 weeks, we took him to the vet for a check up, but we brought a towel for him to sit/stand on.  Never let an unvacinated pup around the floor or tables of any vet. It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

If you do socialize around others pubs (puppy kindergarden, obedience school, etc., ensure that one of the requirements is up-to-date parvo shots.   I’ll be out your way on Sunday, Steve.  Taking grandson #2 fishing somewhere east of Cascade — we fly in from Boise.   Dave

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Did you know the Parvo virus can survive in dog feces for up to a year? Did you know some dogs only carry the virus? Did you know puppies are born with their mother’s immunity to Parvo, and there is only the briefest window from the time the in-born immunity fails and the puppies own kicks in? We were not at all careless with this dog. Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness.

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Thank you! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman I’m very sorry to hear that, but I’m afraid it’s due to your own carelessness.

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It’s important to socialize a pup to people and other dogs, but they should only be allowed around other dogs that you KNOW are healthy and immune to the parvo virus.

My neighbor’s pup was in a fenced backyard when he was visited by a sick loose dog (that dog later died — his owners *were* careless).  The pup got sick very quickly and my neighbors took him to the vet right away.  With lots of care, he did recover beautifully.  My dogs were older (and had their regular booster shots) and they weren’t affected, luckily. Hang in there, Michael.  Thinking good thoughts your way. Sandy

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Parvo is like a roulette wheel, and our number came up.

Bullshit. Your dog was exposed to parvo when it was in your care, then you have the cheek to come here looking for sympathy. I never got on your case during the sorry eBay debacle, but it’s now very clear that you have a problem in taking responsibility for your actions, or inactions. BTW, if you get the opportunity to counsel people with sick kids, pass…

If they’re parents who exposed their kids to a deadly, contagious, and preventable disease through negligence, I’ll pass. And please, whatever else you do, if your dog dies don’t get another one. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I have a 3 month old yellow Lab in the vet hospital with Parvo. The vet thinks he can get her through it, but she is sick as hell. Amazing how quickly you can get attached to a dumb old dog… — Michael Collier Citizen Fisherman

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Michael I am very sorry to hear this, we lost a puppy to Parvo and we DO understand how you must be feeling.  Hang in there, there is hope, your puppy is a little older than ours was and the vet told us the older the better… Padishar Creel –  My best friend has always been a dog.

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Thanks. — Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael I am very sorry to hear this, we lost a puppy to Parvo and we DO understand how you must be feeling.  Hang in there, there is hope, your puppy is a little older than ours was and the vet told us the older the better…

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Thanks. Michael Collier <- lump in throat, feeling kinda silly Citizen Fisherman

Don’t sweat it. One of the worst times I ever had was when I had to put my last dog down. Hell of a lot worse than divorcing my old lady. —  Charles Davis     K4SWB <<I’m The NRA

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I know this is not flyfishing related but I also know that there is a vast pool of knowledge here that is hard to find anywhere else. I purchased an Orvis 350 open faced spinning reel at an estate sale today. Can any of you fine posters let me know what I have, value, collectability etc. Thanks Cooper

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I know this is not flyfishing related but I also know that there is a vast pool of knowledge here that is hard to find anywhere else. I purchased an Orvis 350 open faced spinning reel at an estate sale today. Can any of you fine posters let me know what I have, value, collectability

You have an Orvis 350 open faced spinning reel. Get in touch with Dave LaCourse immediately. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Scheduled for two weeks in Grand Cayman in June. Besides diving, I want to get in some flyfishing on the flats for bonefish, ect.. Need advice from someone who has been there on locations and fly selection. Tight lines, Tim Briggs

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Scheduled for two weeks in Grand Cayman in June. Besides diving, I want to get in some flyfishing on the flats for bonefish, ect.. Need advice from someone who has been there on locations and fly selection. Tight lines, Tim Briggs

Hi Tim, I have not gotten there yet, but have some info. An article was written a few years ago about fly fishing the Cayman’s. I guess there are bonefish, tarpon and permit on all three islands. The most famous location is the Southern Cross Club on Little Cayman Island. They have a web site. If you go on your own I would take a #7 or 8 weight rod with a floating line. Some 9′ or longer 0x leaders and 0x tippet. I would get the hardest, stiffest leaders you can find. I would take some Snapping Shrimp patterns in tan, brown, olive and pink. Find the shallowest water on the island where you can wade out far and stay in water that is less than 2 feet deep. Yellow to brown polarized glasses are necessary. When I first tried for bones, I just pretended I was nymphing to trout in the shallows of a large lake. I just put the fly in froint of them and moved it very little. Morning and evening is best with an incoming tide. If you just hook one, it will be worth it. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Need advice on where to look for  an inexpensive (<$100) 4 peice pack rod (preferably 9′ 6 wt)–used or new.  If anyone knows of a good

Look for glass rods with the Abu or Fenwick name — probably no longer sold new, but the old ones must be somewhere…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Need advice on where to look for  an inexpensive (<$100) 4 peice pack rod (preferably 9′ 6 wt)–used or new.  If anyone knows of a good starting point would appreciate a tip!

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Need advice on where to look for  an inexpensive (<$100) 4 peice pack rod (preferably 9′ 6 wt)–used or new.  If anyone knows of a good starting point would appreciate a tip!

For the same money, you might be able to get a better quality rod by going to a two piece rod.  Put it in a schedule 40 PVC tube and use it for a walking stick.  It helps me a lot crossing streams and going up/ down steep inclines.  The thin wall PVC won’t hold up as well if you really put your weight on it (like when you need it most).   Rob

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: For the same money, you might be able to get a better quality rod by : going to a two piece rod.  Put it in a schedule 40 PVC tube and use it : for a walking stick.  It helps me a lot crossing streams and going up/ : down steep inclines.  The thin wall PVC won’t hold up as well if you : really put your weight on it (like when you need it most).   Rob, I also use two-piece rods hiking and backpacking.  I carry them in a sturdy PVC tube and use the tube as a walking stick.  If I ever fell right on top of it. . . well I think I would rather have the rod break than me (but I am not too sure). Schedule 40 PVC?  Hmmm.  I guess I will know what to ask for next time I acquire a PVC rod tube.  Thanks for the terminology. Cheers, Burnaby, BC

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Check and see if you can find a st. Croix dealer in canada. I bought two 4 pc.    pack

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Hi, If you are into building your own rod the River’s Edge in Bozeman, MT has Sage second blank (4 peice pack rods) for about $130.00.  If you think you might be interested you can call them at 406-586-5373. Good Luck Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (catalog avail)

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Al, Thanks for the post.  I saw your message of Jan 4 regarding the River’s Edge and the sage seconds.  We live in Chicago and have a tough time finding a source for seconds, especially travel rods at this price! Bryan and company at rivers edge were quite helpful.  I just purchased two of the blanks and there in the mail now.

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St. Croix is available in Canada at a decent price.  Diawa makes a 4 – 5 wt. that fishs very well.  Pack rods at low prices can be hard to find.  Good luck. Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check and see if you can find a st. Croix dealer in canada. I bought two 4 pc.    pack

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Check the Cabela’s 1996 Spring catalog.  They’re listing a 4pc. pack rod blank (9′/6wt I think) for less than $50.  They list it as an import, but who knows.

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I looking for an moderately priced pack rod, and have found a Cabela’s Fish Eagle 8′ 4wt. for #116.  Anybody out there have any opinions about the rod?

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I really like the St. Croix Imperial, 8′ for 4/5 in a 4 piece … rod holder included for around $125. Also it has a lifetime guarantee … I like the intermediate action so much that I am fishing it almost as my #1 rod. bob vorel

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Like everyone else, I’ve used plenty of variations for the tried and true GRHE.  These days I use ginger hen hackle for tails.  Deer hair can be a bad bet, mainly because it’s so brittle.  Like Gary Borger says, "Get the color right if you can, but just make sure it’s the right bulk and length."  Or at least I think he says that.

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Fereira) writes: I was talking to someone a week or so ago and picked up some #24 trico emergers tied with the fur from snow-shoe rabbits.  He claimed that the oils in the fur on their feet made them naturally water resistant.  Has anyone seen fur from one of these creatures?

Yes, was a big thing a couple of years ago.  Stuff floats forever.  The most famous fly to use it is called "The Usual". You can get snowshoe rabbit from Orvis stores or through their fly tying catalog.  Price is around $5.

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I’ve been sitting at the vice for the last few days re-stocking. I was working in some hairs ears and just was not satisfied with the way the tails look. Does anyone have a varaition on the stnd. tail? I have been useing deer hair and find that it either ends up to thin or flairs out to much.   What material do you like to use?   Thanks in advance. You are talking about a hare’s ear *nymph*, no? I usually use pheasant tail fibers. You can also try a few barbs of mottled hen. The "standard" tie calls for hare’s mask guard hairs, doesn’t it?

That’s they way I learned how to tie one.  When I first started tying I found that with a turkey feather, some gold tinsel, and a hares ear mask I could tie all the GRHE’s I wanted and since I knew that was probably one of the best nymph patterns going those were the first materials I ever bought.   I was talking to someone a week or so ago and picked up some #24 trico emergers tied with the fur from snow-shoe rabbits.  He claimed that the oils in the fur on their feet made them naturally water resistant.  Has anyone seen fur from one of these creatures? One final thing.  There are a few flyfishers that I’ve corresponded with from the central NY area and I’ve started to put your names in a file for a local mailing list.  If there is anyone else, or you’re not sure if you might not be on my list send me some email.   John — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems  Ithaca, NY

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I’ve been sitting at the vice for the last few days re-stocking. I was working in some hairs ears and just was not satisfied with the way the tails look. Does anyone have a varaition on the stnd. tail? I have been useing deer hair and find that it either ends up to thin or flairs out to much.   What material do you like to use?   Thanks in advance.

Ummm… It _is_ called a "Hare’s Ear"… Have you tried a bunch of Hare Hair <<grin off of the mask? That’s the dressing _I’M_ familiar with! … And it doesn’t flare! — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios

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I’ve been sitting at the vice for the last few days re-stocking. I was working in some hairs ears and just was not satisfied with the way the tails look. Does anyone have a varaition on the stnd. tail? I have been useing deer hair and find that it either ends up to thin or flairs out to much.   What material do you like to use?   Thanks in advance.

I am wondering a little bit about your efforts. Do you really mean the hears ear? This pattern calls for a tail made from the guard = hairs (longer and stronger hairs with light coloured tips) from the center of the hairs mask. The center hairs should be cut very ti= ghtly to the skin and then you can put out all the underfur. This can sometimes be a pain, depending on the mask you got. On the one=  I have the center guard hairs are strongly curled, so that I wasn’t very satisfied with my hares ear’s neither. I used woodcuck ins= tead, worked well for me and makes nearly the same clour. You shouldn’t use deer hair. The stuff you usually get is winter deer hair=  which is hollow. Because it spreads so well poeple use it for caddis and comparaduns. Elk hair doesn’t spread so easily so it seems=  much better for this purpose. Some dry fly pattern call for moose mane, which is very good for tails because it doesn’t spread at a= ll. The disadvantage is that it doesn’t match the colour requirements for the hairs ears. If you still want to use deer hair this li= ttle trick might help. Tie in the deer hair  1 or 2 mm closer to the ear than it is required with 2 or 3 tight wraps. The hair will = spread. Now you catch the spread hairs with some loose wraps exactly at the original tie in position (at the end of the shank, behin= d -that means towards the shank- the tight wraps you made). Then dub the body (Maybe you should try coastal deer hair, it doesn’t sp= read so good. You should also compare differend deer hairs, you can find nearly every colour and quality you can imagine. If you don= ‘t have a good source, call Kaufmann streamborne, they have an excellent selection.). That technique also works for bucktail streamers, if the wing spreads to much. I hope that helps.      Good luck                    Thomas

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I’ve been sitting at the vice for the last few days re-stocking. I was working in some hairs ears and just was not satisfied with the way the tails look. Does anyone have a varaition on the stnd. tail? I have been useing deer hair and find that it either ends up to thin or flairs out to much.   What material do you like to use?   Thanks in advance.

Any short quill will work.  I like to use red or brown on my #20 Hare’s ears.

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I’ve been sitting at the vice for the last few days re-stocking. I was working in some hairs ears and just was not satisfied with the way the tails look. Does anyone have a varaition on the stnd. tail? I have been useing deer hair and find that it either ends up to thin or flairs out to much.    What material do you like to use?   Thanks in advance.

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I’ve been sitting at the vice for the last few days re-stocking. I was working in some hairs ears and just was not satisfied with the way the tails look. Does anyone have a varaition on the stnd. tail? I have been useing deer hair and find that it either ends up to thin or flairs out to much.   What material do you like to use?   Thanks in advance.

You are talking about a hare’s ear *nymph*, no? I usually use pheasant tail fibers. You can also try a few barbs of mottled hen. The "standard" tie calls for hare’s mask guard hairs, doesn’t it? Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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I’ve been sitting at the vice for the last few days re-stocking. I was working in some hairs ears and just was not satisfied with the way the tails look. Does anyone have a varaition on the stnd. tail? I have been useing deer hair and find that it either ends up to thin or flairs out to much.   What material do you like to use?   Thanks in advance.

Use the mask!! Look at a point between the eys and work you way toward the ears. Pull some fur (with the guard hairs intact) away from the hide at a 90 degree angle from the hide and snip real close to the hide with your scissors. Keep the clump intact and tie in (tips to the rear) as a tail. Further: Most folks IMHO make the tails on GRHE *too* long!! Try making them about 1/2 shank length. The type of mayfly that the GRHE is simulating (typically) has tails about this long. When you make your dry fly imitations, the rule is 1x shank length. This method of tailing is also great for legs on scuds and sowbugs. A killer scud pattern (mating gammaris imitation) is made using an orange dyed hare’s mask to simulate the mating colors of a common scud. Hook: Tiemco 2457 or equiv in both #14 and #18 Thread: Uni-thread 8/0 orange or red Weight: "Not-Lead" wire in middle of shank only (optional) Tail: From orange dyed hairs mask Rib: 4x mono, 5 evenly spaced turns Shellback: Borden’s "Scud Back" or poly bag 1/8" wide Body: Blended fur from between the eyes of the hare’s mask Even if you never heard of a scud, this is a great pattern. I use it as a searching pattern if nothing is hatching on top. If you have trouble finding Scud Back (great stuff BTW), give the guys at Fly & Field a call at 800-328-9753. They also sell a very cool tool for gathering and blending the hare’s mask, called a Ceramic Dubbing Scraper. It’s in their catalog. Todd L. McCagg – Mfr Rep of Musical Esoteria Modulus-Spector-SWR-Hughes & Kettner-Premier Fernandes-EMG-CB Labs Pocket Rock-It (husband-father-bassist-flyfisher-flytyer-homebrewer)

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The longer hairs to the side of the mask are longer, like guard hairs but softer.  I like using these because I think it gives better action.  Most of the hare’s ears I use are #10’s for steelhead fishing on the Pere Marquette in Michigan.  Great fly!!!! Donald Albrecht A bad day fishing is still better than a good day at work!  <  <

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: I’m planning a trip out to Calgary this summer to fish the Bow River. : Has anyone fished this river and can offer suggestions, tips, : comments about the river and the fishing?

A very difficult river to fish unless water-borne, and boating the river has its hazards. There are two large dams (Ghost River and Bearspaw) upstream of Calgary, and irrigation weir right in town, and another one downstream at Carseland. The big dams you will know about; the weirs (low-head dams) will catch you by surprise. Most float trips are between the weir downtown and Carseland weir. For a first time, use a guide — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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Great Guide for the Bow = Tom Cutmore of "Must be Nice" drift Fishing Co. out of Alberta. Tom’s a great guy, excellent fisherman and knows the Bow.  Had a ’super’ two day trip with Tom there several years ago. PS- He’s not a relative !! LOL !

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As for a guide, I don’t think you could get one that is better than Barry White.

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I’m going to have an opportunity to be in Calgary in mid June. What are the best areas to fish for a wading flyfisher with no guide? Interested in access, and what fly hatches I might encounter that time of year. Also,  how much does a short term Canadioa fishing license cost. Thanks in advance for any help. Dale Owens

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        Mid-June may be a little early for the Bow. Depending on the snowpack on the mountains, there may still be a heavy runoff. The Bow is still fishable then, but with large, heavy weighted streamers and mynphs. If possible, delay to later in the month to be on the safe side.

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