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You know yore from Arkansas if:

Oh palms thankyou for a great laugh. Jeanne

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen

Helen me too. LOL Jeanne

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio.

  Nonsense – they’re much classier in Ashtabula. Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."                                         – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy

You *know* Astabula???  I like Jefferson. Marley

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You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.

BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.

BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.

Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap.

BTDT And I’m from NY.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. BTDT And I’m from NY.

Gasp!  Your last name’s not "Clinton", is it? P2P

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy You *know* Astabula???  I like Jefferson. I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen.

Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio.  If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake.  BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once.  I hear it’s better now… Nancy

Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there.  It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot.  The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area.  One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car.  oh oh.  A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers.  It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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<snip I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards.  It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked.

*They* must have invented THONGS!!!! LOL Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio.  If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake.  BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once.  I hear it’s better now… Nancy Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there.  It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot.  The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area. You mean…Aunt Bea?  OH NOOOOOoooo…  I thought that was homemade jam…

I don’t remember any Aunt Bea’s but there were some whacked out locals. One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) I actually did that once myself.  Just once.  I got into it without entirely understanding the situation, and I got tired of it really quickly.

I was working on a capital murder retrial.  We won but the real killer walked anyway.  He was supposedly the bastard son of one of the local chiefs of police and a snitch. when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car.  oh oh.  A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers.  It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards.  It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked. Nancy

Oh, please . It’s very late here. I spent a few hours on a train  once with some Estonian women in sweaters adorned with gold lame tigers. Marley Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P

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22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program.

Uh-Oh!! 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.

Double Uh-Oh!! Becky Young ….Though nothing can bring back the hour of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower, We will grieve not; rather find strength in what remains behind — William Wordsworth

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You know yore from Arkansas if:

snip 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement.

  This one struck me as really funny for some reason – ROR! Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."                                         – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.

I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley

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BTW, just in case the OP fly fishes for trout but just assumed there aren’t any there, there are actually rainbow trout in the mountains in Kauai, at least when I was there about 8 years ago. Regards, Jeff

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We’re going to Hawaii, first to Kauai, then to Mauai.  Interested in doing some inshore saltwater fly fishing.  Any charters that specialize in that on either of the islands?

Despite the nay-sayers you can find saltwater charters in Hawaii who provide fly fishing.  We’ve fly fished Kona with Capt. Gene Vander Hoek ("Sea Genie II"), trying bait and switch for spearfish and small blue marlin.  Gene’s charters have set 26 world records, mostly for light tackle and he fly fishes himself in Costa Rica, Panama and Mexico.  And Del Dykes in Kona also knows fly fishing, per Trey Combs books.  Can’t help you with Kauai or Maui (which are not as noted for fishing as Kona) but there are likely guys out there.  Try a good search engine like www.google.com … good luck. Bill

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Fuck up the best line I had in decades!

The line didn’t allow itself to be fucked up<g. — Charlie…

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*Book’em* not *Bookem’,* dammit!

I wasn’t commenting on the punctuation but the punch line (otherwise I would have mentioned the extra comma<g). — Charlie…

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I caught it when I read your post! 41 years of *cool* down the drain!!  Shit, I’m so stupid.  I hate myself. Fuckin’ idiot.  First out of the startin’ blocks, and what do I do?  Fuck up the best line I had in decades! Opie  –That’s Mr. Dipshit to you buddy!–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *Book’em* not *Bookem’,* dammit! I wasn’t commenting on the punctuation but the punch line (otherwise I would have mentioned the extra comma<g). — Charlie…

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We’re going to Hawaii, first to Kauai, then to Mauai.  Interested in doing some inshore saltwater fly fishing.  Any charters that specialize in that on either of the islands? Thanks, MB

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We’re going to Hawaii, first to Kauai, then to Mauai.  Interested in doing some inshore saltwater fly fishing.  Any charters that specialize in that on either of the islands? Thanks, MB

Forget it. Hawaii is not the place for flyfishing. Enjoy its other attractions. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Bookem’, a guide, Dano! Opie  –That’s Mr. Opus McDopus to you buddy!–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re going to Hawaii, first to Kauai, then to Mauai.  Interested in doing some inshore saltwater fly fishing.  Any charters that specialize in that on either of the islands? Thanks, MB

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Bookem’, a guide, Dano!

Awesome<g! — Charlie…

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*Book’em* not *Bookem’,* dammit! Opie  –That’s Mr. Opus McDopus to you buddy!–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bookem’, a guide, Dano! Awesome<g! — Charlie…

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I set the hook and landed a beautiful brookie.  Someone once told me that trout are like women — find out what they want and give it to them!  Well, I found out what they wanted and  caught several more before leaving for dinner.   On Thursday there were 15 people at the island — mostly locals.  Fishing was tough.  I fished all my "spots" using the caddis with the emerger dropper, and caught a few fish.  I used an old trick – jiggling the Goddard caddis, and landed several nice salmon.  The brookies would not take a moving fly, but the salmon seemed to love it. I arrived at the island Friday morning to be greeted with a hefty hail from none other that ROFF’s very own Salmon Fly.  Paul emerged from the woods on the far side of the third current just as I was stepping out of the boat.  I made a mad dash to the wing dam and "my" spot before he could get there.  <g He fished his way over and a half hour later we took a break and talked for awhile.  He was catching fish and I was too, so we were happy.  It started to rain and I switched to a caddis nymph.  On the second or so cast my line stopped like it ran into a stone wall.  Fish!  I set the hook and could tell it was a big fish.  I told Paul I thought it was a big brookie.  Then I saw the yellow flash and knew it was a big fish, but not a brookie or a salmon.  A four pound sucker had taken my fly.  This was not a good thing, especially with Paul fishing next to me laughing.  I would not report such a catch, but Paul was there, saw the whole thing.  Soon the skies opened and it poured like hell for an hour or so.  Fishing was not good. The dam keeper lowered the water flow to 900 cfs, the "ideal" flow.  It usually takes a day for the fish adjust to a change in the water flow.  I took a nice 18 inch brookie out of the head of the pool (were the 23 inch trout was taken), and some small (10 – 14 inch) salmon before calling it a day. The lake is full and hopefully will remain so throughout the season.  Last year, they recorded a water temp in September of 72 degrees — the highest ever recorded.  Normal temp should be no higher than 66, with 62 the norm.  Here’s hoping the clave has good water come September!!!!! Our trip home on Saturday morning was uneventful.  We arrived home to a cavalcade of color — all of Jo’s rhododendron and mountain laurel were in full bloom.  And the lawn looks like a hay field!  Tomorrow’s another day. And then on Monday I head back to the Rapid, hoping the damn keeper hasn’t increased the flow. Dave LaCourse

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… Here’s hoping the clave has good water come September!!!!!

As clavemeister you’re obligated to do more than "hope", damnit. Hell, Waldo put the triple whammy "no rain" mojo in the mail to Wolfgang knowing that we were riding down together and you saw what happened at Waldo’s Spring Fling. Get busy workin’ on that weather, Chief. Nice trip report. Trip reports are my favorite read, thank you, sir. — Ken Fortenberry

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Forty writes: Get busy workin’ on that weather, Chief.

We *want* rain to fill the lake.  But if the new owners of the dams do not know how to run their flow properly, all the rain in the world ain’t gonna help. Waldo’s got a mojo, huh? Forgot in the report: Two moose (one going in, one out), two deer, 1 eagle, 1 osprey, and a whole bunch of loons and ducks.  And it was cold:  40 degrees *in the cabin* on Tuesday morning! Dave LaCourse

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 Dave,  I went "hunting" last week Got two rolls of Elk.One roll at about 40 yds.The other varies from 80-200 yds.Another roll of mountain goat. More fun than sittin home thinking about my ills. —  Don Thompson  Zoomie(BushBug)  ACA#3460  TLCB#335  Any Time, Any Place  Pull the chocks, lets get this kite in the air.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forty writes: Get busy workin’ on that weather, Chief. We *want* rain to fill the lake.  But if the new owners of the dams do not know how to run their flow properly, all the rain in the world ain’t gonna help. Waldo’s got a mojo, huh? Forgot in the report: Two moose (one going in, one out), two deer, 1 eagle, 1 osprey, and a whole bunch of loons and ducks.  And it was cold:  40 degrees *in the cabin* on Tuesday morning! Dave LaCourse

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Waldo’s got a mojo, huh?

that’s what the ladies down at pappy’s tell me… just returned from dinner at the Texas Roadhouse with Marie & IJ. Joe said he owed Jeffie a steak but he’d rather buy me one… I ordered that big 16 oz. Ribeye…. thanks Jeff…tater and salad were good also IJ and I fished the S. Toe today…. IJ was catching fish left and right where wuffie couldn’t nary a rise….. the water is at least a foot and a half lower than when trip, ken, wolf, and i went there during the clave. if we don’t get some serious rain soon, i might as well pack up the trout gear until fall. I caught a bunch (& missed a bunch) also including a spectacularly colored brookie of about 10-12 inches. All mine were caught on a size 14 black foam beetle. Man that’s a great summertime pattern. I fished the same fly the whole day and it’s none the worse for wear. we didn’t even fish upper wilson’s…. water was so low it was disheartening. great report dave…..congrats on the suckah …. see ya in september. walt

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Waldo’s got a mojo, huh? that’s what the ladies down at pappy’s tell me…

        oh, for god’s sake.  let’s get back to reality…  if we don’t get some serious rain soon, i might as well pack up the trout gear until fall.

        that’s strange.  last week when dash riprock and i were up on eagle and snowbird, it was all we could do to wade.  high, murky water, and rains morning and night.  i kept thinking forty was fishing just ahead of us. I caught a bunch (& missed a bunch) also including a spectacularly colored brookie of about 10-12 inches. All mine were caught on a size 14 black foam beetle. Man that’s a great summertime pattern. I fished the same fly the whole day and it’s none the worse for wear.

        yeah, and a little prince nymph as a dropper puts the beetle in the film.  killer rig in low water.         waldo:  let’s slap the piggy week after next.  i got to try a case this coming week, but then a couple play days open up. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Waldo’s got a mojo, huh?

Correction:  Waldo HAD a mojo.  I got it now and you bastards ain’t gonna see it cuz I can’t make the fall ball.  Will save it for next spring and will only use it THEN if I get an iron clad guarantee that I will be treated better than I was this year.  To whit; Waldo, I want to see fish in the south Toe!  And I want to see some of these alleged Brookies y’all claim to have down there. Wolfgang who is beginning to feel petulant

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So I guess the Upper Creek exercise regiment was not good enough for you! Opie     –Petulant and Frenzied, I’m in a petulant frenzy–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Waldo’s got a mojo, huh? Correction:  Waldo HAD a mojo.  I got it now and you bastards ain’t gonna see it cuz I can’t make the fall ball.  Will save it for next spring and will only use it THEN if I get an iron clad guarantee that I will be treated better than I was this year.  To whit; Waldo, I want to see fish in the south Toe!  And I want to see some of these alleged Brookies y’all claim to have down there. Wolfgang who is beginning to feel petulant

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Wolfgang who is beginning to feel petulant

Well, I guess that is better than when you were flatulent <g Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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Thanks for all of the comments all of you sent me on the IIE vs II.  I just have one other question: How rugged is the Elan?  I plan to use it when I go hiking, canoeing, camping, etc.  I saw in another thread in this group that there was some question about the durability of one of the knobs.  Has anyone had any problems with the knobs breaking?  Can it stand to be used in the great outdoors?

Buy a good Camera bag, and don’t drop it.. I load my ElanIIe on the back of my Kawasaki Ninja zx-11, for motorcycling photos (see http://pwp.starnetinc.com/mercury/biking) I have a LowePro Nova 2 and pack 2 lenses (28-105, 100-300) with all the filters, film, and a micro-tripod (a Bogen) So far, it’s been pretty rugged… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your help.  I’m very close to a decision! Aldo P.S. One of you suggested saving the money and spending it on lenses.  I currently have a Rebel G and several lenses.  I just want a better body.

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I’ve only looked at the IIE once, and I don’t have a brochure handy, but I thought that what you say the salesperson said is correct.  As I recall, the camera doesn’t actually focus on what the eye is looking at, it simply uses whichever of the 3 AF points your eye is looking at (or looking closest to, perhaps).  Am I wrong? Sean, Not sure what you mean.  If the subject covered by the right zone is 60 ft away and the subject at the left zone is 10 ft away, the focal plane will be at the level of the one you look at.  So I suppose the camera does focus on a zone and not an object if that is your point.

I have the IIe and I understand his point. His point is that if, for example, the eye is looking at a far left corner, which is 30 feet away, but the left AF point happens to be resting on an object 10 feet away, you are out of luck.

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Hello Aldo, The IIe is worth the price of $50 for me. It works 98% of the time for me and hence very valuable. I would hate not to have the eye control after using it for a while now. Good luck, Ann — Ann Q. Lee http://carcassi.eng.uci.edu/intropictures.htm

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The Eye control works for me all the time so I am glad that I decided to get the IIe instead of the II.  In addition the DOF preview works too.  So I believe it is low risk to spend extra < $ 100 to get this feature.  I am really confused by the other comments. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … However, I have heard a number of camera store salespersons say that they didn’t like it at all, and then went on to say that the camera DOESN’T HAVE TRUE EYE-FOCUSING, it’s just which little red square you use, which should tell you that ignorant camera salespeople are with us and always will be. I’ve only looked at the IIE once, and I don’t have a brochure handy, but I thought that what you say the salesperson said is correct.  As I recall, the camera doesn’t actually focus on what the eye is looking at, it simply uses whichever of the 3 AF points your eye is looking at (or looking closest to, perhaps).  Am I wrong? That is true, but the camera actually _does_ focus using that square. This salesman tried to steer me to a Minolta camera that focusses wherever the eye looks in the viewfinder, apparently. I know that this may not have any bearing on the original poster’s question, and I certainly don’t recommend one over the other, not having any real experience with either. — Sean Streiff — "Outside of that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" If you have nothing else to do, check my photo page at http://www.enteract.com/~ckross

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … However, I have heard a number of camera store salespersons say that they didn’t like it at all, and then went on to say that the camera DOESN’T HAVE TRUE EYE-FOCUSING, it’s just which little red square you use, which should tell you that ignorant camera salespeople are with us and always will be. I’ve only looked at the IIE once, and I don’t have a brochure handy, but I thought that what you say the salesperson said is correct.  As I recall, the camera doesn’t actually focus on what the eye is looking at, it simply uses whichever of the 3 AF points your eye is looking at (or looking closest to, perhaps).  Am I wrong?

That is true, but the camera actually _does_ focus using that square. This salesman tried to steer me to a Minolta camera that focusses wherever the eye looks in the viewfinder, apparently. I know that this may not have any bearing on the original poster’s question, and I certainly don’t recommend one over the other, not having any real experience with either. — Sean Streiff

– "Outside of that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?" If you have nothing else to do, check my photo page at http://www.enteract.com/~ckross

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I’ve only looked at the IIE once, and I don’t have a brochure handy, but I thought that what you say the salesperson said is correct.  As I recall, the camera doesn’t actually focus on what the eye is looking at, it simply uses whichever of the 3 AF points your eye is looking at (or looking closest to, perhaps).  Am I wrong?

Sean, Not sure what you mean.  If the subject covered by the right zone is 60 ft away and the subject at the left zone is 10 ft away, the focal plane will be at the level of the one you look at.  So I suppose the camera does focus on a zone and not an object if that is your point. However, the camera DOES in certain mode, determine exactly what the subject is.  It is called AI Servo mode, a ‘predictive’ focus mode and there are a couple of variations on the mode.  To Quote from the Magic Lantern Guide: In AI servo AF mode the shutter can fire even before the AF operation is complete.  Designed for moving subjects, the AI servo AF incorporates predictive AF.  This means that the AF sensor ‘locks’ on to the main subject, determines it’s direction and speed, and calculates where the object will be at the moment of exposure.  Predictive AF even compensates for the unavoidable split second that elapses between the time the shutter release is pressed and the moment of actual exposure, as the reflex mirror flips up and the aperture closes to its working value. End of quote.  In some lighting / film speed situations you may have a wide open aperture yielding little depth of field so this could be the difference between a soft shot and a sharp one.  The book goes on to give some techniques on how you can assist predictive focus to choose the right subject and track it more precisely.  I have not had occasion since buying the camera in December and shooting 30 rolls of film to use this feature.  I can not tell you how well it works or does not work, but the MLG writers say it’s great.  I would think that if it only works or helps half the time it would still be nice. — John Pearce Phoenix  AZ home is the right word for reply

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you are correct. the ECF detects which AF point you’re looking at, i.e. your eye selects which AF point to use. i have the EOS 50E (Elan IIE) and use ECF about 95% of the time. it’s always either ECF or centre focusing point or manual focusing. i never use automatic selection. bl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … However, I have heard a number of camera store salespersons say that they didn’t like it at all, and then went on to say that the camera DOESN’T HAVE TRUE EYE-FOCUSING, it’s just which little red square you use, which should tell you that ignorant camera salespeople are with us and always will be. I’ve only looked at the IIE once, and I don’t have a brochure handy, but I thought that what you say the salesperson said is correct.  As I recall, the camera doesn’t actually focus on what the eye is looking at, it simply uses whichever of the 3 AF points your eye is looking at (or looking closest to, perhaps).  Am I wrong? I know that this may not have any bearing on the original poster’s question, and I certainly don’t recommend one over the other, not having any real experience with either. — Sean Streiff

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Hi I’m considering the Canon EOS Elan II camera, and wanted to know whether the eye-focus function of the IIE is worth it or should I stick to the Elan II.  If you have a IIE do you use the eye-focus a lot? How do you like it?  If you had to do it over again would you buy a camera with the eye-focus feature? Thanks for the help Aldo

Hi Aldo, I just wanted to speak up after watching this thread a couple of days. I am not the pro so many good minds on the group are but I felt I had something to contribute. One fellow mentioned you should buy the II and save the money for a good lens.  Well, no matter what you do you need to get a good lens for certain.  However, if you buy from a place like B&H there is only about US $50 difference in the cost and that won’t go far on a lens anyway. I bought the IIe last December thinking that the money was not such a big deal (I know, I’m lucky and I do give to charity) and I could turn it off if I did not like the ECF.  I heard many say it didn’t work for them, I heard many say you have to hold your face just right for every shot or it didn’t work.  I heard some say it didn’t work with glasses. Well, I’ve shot 30 rolls of film and would kick myself in the butt if I didn’t have it and somehow learned how useful, easy, and realiable it is.  It has worked for me in every single shot, even when I forgot about it and would have messed up the shot on my own.  It works without glasses, with glasses, with sunglasses, with my forehead up against the shoe mounted flash and my nose and mouth away from the camera body, it works when my face is perfectly positioned or not.  It works for me, it always works, and it is effortless.   I don’t know, maybe people that had trouble took calibration too seriously.  Maybe I was sloppy when I calibrated the thing so it works over a wider range of motion.  Maybe I have big eyes.  Who knows.  The thing is you won’t know until you have used one for awhile and only you know if you can afford the $50 bucks to find out.   — John Pearce Phoenix  AZ home is the right word for reply

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… However, I have heard a number of camera store salespersons say that they didn’t like it at all, and then went on to say that the camera DOESN’T HAVE TRUE EYE-FOCUSING, it’s just which little red square you use, which should tell you that ignorant camera salespeople are with us and always will be.

I’ve only looked at the IIE once, and I don’t have a brochure handy, but I thought that what you say the salesperson said is correct.  As I recall, the camera doesn’t actually focus on what the eye is looking at, it simply uses whichever of the 3 AF points your eye is looking at (or looking closest to, perhaps).  Am I wrong? I know that this may not have any bearing on the original poster’s question, and I certainly don’t recommend one over the other, not having any real experience with either. — Sean Streiff

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    I have owned the Elan IIe for over a year – It has survived many flyfishing trips and even a crash or two on a mountain bike – Coming from an Olympus background I was unsure of the plastic of todays camera and lens – but – so far all has worked well. I should also add that the camera with the 28 – 105 canon lens has given me some really great fast action photos that I would probably have botched with a manual focus camera – I wear glases and the eye focus only seems to ’search’ in very low light situations A Happy Canon Camper Wayne

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Thanks for all of the comments all of you sent me on the IIE vs II.  I just have one other question: How rugged is the Elan?  I plan to use it when I go hiking, canoeing, camping, etc.  I saw in another thread in this group that there was some question about the durability of one of the knobs.  Has anyone had any problems with the knobs breaking?  Can it stand to be used in the great outdoors? Thanks for your help.  I’m very close to a decision! Aldo P.S. One of you suggested saving the money and spending it on lenses.  I currently have a Rebel G and several lenses.  I just want a better body.

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see http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~btong/obl/photos/info for my write up on the EOS 50E (aka Elan IIE). click on "hardware". bl Hi I’m considering the Canon EOS Elan II camera, and wanted to know whether the eye-focus function of the IIE is worth it or should I stick to the Elan II.  If you have a IIE do you use the eye-focus a lot? How do you like it?  If you had to do it over again would you buy a camera with the eye-focus feature? Thanks for the help Aldo

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After doing my research and trying the Elan IIe in the store (it wasn’t calibrated correctly), I later let a store clerk talk me into getting the Elan II

Hmm funny a store clerk tried doing the same to me, fortunately I followed a similar tread a while back from the excellent folks in this group, there were a few neg’s and plenty of positives, I found that I too would appreciate a new technology that would save me having to lock focus and recompose or some other trick, so yeah I’d go for the E11e, even if it was just a gimmick I still support the advancement towards innovative and potentially useful technology. Trent

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hi Aldo, i use my eye control always.the other day i picked up my sons reble g and i wasnt able to feel comfortable.(like something was missing) so long, Harry

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*I* use the eye-focus function a lot! My wife, on the other hand, seems to not understand how it’s used, so for her, I put the camera in full auto mode. But it’s a great feature when you need to compose a shot other than dead center, great for depth-of-field auto settings, and will add to the enjoyment of your camera. However, I have heard a number of camera store salespersons say that they didn’t like it at all, and then went on to say that the camera DOESN’T HAVE TRUE EYE-FOCUSING, it’s just which little red square you use, which should tell you that ignorant camera salespeople are with us and always will be. Hi I’m considering the Canon EOS Elan II camera, and wanted to know whether the eye-focus function of the IIE is worth it or should I stick to the Elan II.  If you have a IIE do you use the eye-focus a lot? How do you like it?  If you had to do it over again would you buy a camera with the eye-focus feature? Thanks for the help Aldo

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I use the IIe in both eye controlled focus and camera controlled focus.  Its nice to have the eye control when you need it.  Buy it, you can always shut it off.

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Hi I’m considering the Canon EOS Elan II camera, and wanted to know whether the eye-focus function of the IIE is worth it or should I stick to the Elan II.  

Save your money for a good lens Jim Arnold Dallas, TX

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After doing my research and trying the Elan IIe in the store (it wasn’t calibrated correctly), I later let a store clerk talk me into getting the Elan II (afterall, it is just a gimmick – and I could find better things to spend the extra money on). Well, I shot one roll of film in the Elan II and knew that I had better get back to the store and exchange it for the IIe. First, while shooting in a wooded area, I could have used the Eye Focusing because the Elan II was automatically focusing on a section of trees that were closest to me, rather than the one I wanted to focus on. So, I had to manually choose the focus point. Next, when wanting to try the Depth of Field Preview, I first had to change the custom setting on the Elan II so I could use the AF Lock button to activate the Depth of Field Preview. By the end of the roll I knew I would miss the Eye Controlled Focussing – or rather, I knew how helpful it can be. Spend the extra $50 and get the Elan IIe. You will not regret it. And, if you wish to turn it off, you can. But it will always be there when you want/need it. The Eye Controlled Depth of Field Preview is worth it alone! Michael Chicago, IL

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I strongly recommend getting the Eye Control Focus feature.  It is much more than a gimmick—it quickly becomes intuitive, and I think it is the natural evolution of making autofocus work as smoothly as manual focus. The ECF on the Elan IIE is better than that on the A2E, since it is bidirectional (vertical and horizontal). Richard Baltimore

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Hi I’m considering the Canon EOS Elan II camera, and wanted to know whether the eye-focus function of the IIE is worth it or should I stick to the Elan II.  If you have a IIE do you use the eye-focus a lot? How do you like it?  If you had to do it over again would you buy a camera with the eye-focus feature? Thanks for the help Aldo

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Looking to fly fish in the Smokies the end of May.  Any input or suggestions would be appreciated.  TIA. Bruce —

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Where in the Smokies? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking to fly fish in the Smokies the end of May.  Any input or suggestions would be appreciated.  TIA. Bruce —

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Thanks for the reply.  Big Cr. and Cataloochee. We are tent campers and realize the areas may be busy.  Any input is appreciated. Joyce and Bruce — FRIENDSHIP True friendship comes when silence between two friends is comfortable.

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Hi folks, I’m new to the group, and would like your thoughts on what is the best kayak for fly fishing coastal bays and flats.  I normally fly fish in Christmas Bay (close to Galveston, TX), and use a Zest Two – Ocean Kayak two seater.  It’s kinda tough to handle in a breeze over, say, 10 kts. I’m in the market for a faster boat that will handle higher wind conditions, and would like some input from those more knowledgable than I. Howard About Christmas Bay – http://www.christmasbay.com

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  Hi, the boat of choice here in San Diego for fishing seems to be the Scupper Pro,and Scupper Classic. I own the classic , it weighs48pds. compared to your68pd. zest. The pros weigh 55pds.      I’m able to troll effectivly even when the wind picks up, if the wind picks up while jig fishing or while i’m after halibut i use my sea anchor to slow my drift     Aqua

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I’m new to the group, and would like your thoughts on what is the best kayak for fly fishing coastal bays and flats.  I normally fly fish in Christmas Bay (close to Galveston, TX), and use a Zest Two – Ocean Kayak two seater.  It’s kinda tough to handle in a breeze over, say, 10 kts. I’m in the market for a faster boat that will handle higher wind conditions, and would like some input from those more knowledgable than I.

I’m also a newbie to this thing, but I’ve got a few opinions anyway…  [had my boat for a couple months so far] I know most folks will suggest an open cockpit boat, but don’t write off an enclosed version.   Also, I know most folks tend to prefer getting out of the boat and wade, but I’m not one of them.  I like to start more or less dry, and end more or less dry. I have very little difficulty casting my 8 weight while seated in my kayak. [Dagger Edisto].   But there is also enough deck rigging to support a decent trolling setup, and there was enough mounting and cargo room for me to add an all-around light to help with safe night fishing and transits to duck hunting spots next season.. If you are annoyed by high winds and waves, get a rudder. The difference is mind bogolling. My modest experiences so far: http://www.neosoft.com/~rww/kayak_log.html

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If you are annoyed by high winds and waves, get a rudder. The difference is mind bogolling. My modest experiences so far: http://www.neosoft.com/~rww/kayak_log.html

If I get out I may use a fly rod on the flats, but I have had more luck trolling from my kayak.  I dont know if its the speed or that the boat makes the fish notice my fly or lure but the success rate is pretty good for both bass and blues.  I use a kevlar kayak and a rudder to make the experience "less painful".  I also gave up using a rod from my boat.  I made a hand line device that is very easy to use.  To see one visit my site at:  http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin I usually troll rapalas, rubber eels a fly or other artifical baits. —     Hal     Wilton, NH     Power your boat with carbohydrates,     not hydrocarbons.           http://www.jlc.net/~hlevin                 0                  _O                     0

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If I get out I may use a fly rod on the flats, but I have had more luck trolling from my kayak.  I dont know if its the speed or that the boat

I do good trolling as well. experience "less painful".  I also gave up using a rod from my boat.  I made a hand line device that is very easy to use.  To see one visit my

Give up my rod and reel?  I have a rod holder angled 45 degrees backward, a bit behind the cockpit.  I can paddle (troll) at any speed without interference.  That reminds me…i was trolling at work yesterday..woops!

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I’m looking for a manual showing all the flys and a picture or a drawing.

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: I’m looking for a manual showing all the flys and a picture or a drawing. ALL the flies?  No way! Impossible!  Too many thousands of patterns. There are some good books out there that act as listings of flies. You may want to try the library and see what they have. You will quickly see what a variety there actually is. Jon Porter

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: I’m looking for a manual showing all the flys and a picture or a drawing. ALL the flies?  No way! Impossible!  Too many thousands of patterns. There are some good books out there that act as listings of flies. You may want to try the library and see what they have. You will quickly see what a variety there actually is. Jon Porter

There are two books that do a fairly good job with photos and recipes for a lot of flies, not even close to all.  They are called Best 1000 Flies by Randall Scott (something) and Umpqua Fly Patterns,or something to that nature.  They are both great books with color photos and specific receipes.  Any fly enthusuist would love either one.You local fly shop should have it, or could order it.  If you run into any problems let  me know.  My store has them available. Take care, Clark Shafer Lost River Outfitters

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I’m looking for a manual showing all the flys and a picture or a drawing.

Hi Your request is difficult but two book that may help are Fish Flies volumes I & II by Terry Hellekson. Those two books come close to covering most of flies. You can get them at a local book store or fly shop OR from Frank Amato Publications. 503-653-8108 Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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  Does anyone have info on the Big Hole in July . I have to drop the Wife off in Salmon, ID. so I thought I would try fishing the Wisdom area. I have never been in that part of Montana and could use some help, where to stay , fish etc. We will be coming from  Ennis, Mt.    Thanks    Harry

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  Does anyone have info on the Big Hole in July .

Harry: Call and book a trip with Dick Sharon at Fishing Headquarters in Dillon, MT.  You can get the number from information–I believe the area code is 406.  He’s a great guide, and you will love the Big Hole. dcook

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 Does anyone have info on the Big Hole in July . I have to drop the Wife off in Salmon, ID. so I thought I would try fishing the Wisdom area. I have never been in that part of Montana and could use some help, where to stay , fish etc. We will be coming from  Ennis, Mt.   Thanks   Harry

Hi Harry, If you are coming through Ennis, don’t overlook the Madison River. I like the section below Ennis where it breaks into channels before it goes into Ennis Lake. Regarding the Big Hole: There are plenty of motels, etc in Wisdom, Wise River, and Melrose if that is your interest. If you plan on camping, you can do so at most (not all) Montana state fishing access points. Good Luck. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Today UPS showed at my door with my rod and a replacement tip. No Charge! What a surprise! It seems to be a much better tip than the first one as the spline is difficult to feel. Now it is back to the wrapping bench with a smile on my face and a BIG complement to Sage. What great service they have provided to me. I hope others have been just as satisified.

I was really pleased to hear this.  I use a custom built Sage rod and love it, but was thinking of going with Orvis on a new one because of warranty.  I hope the word gets to Sage haw important such service is to their sales.

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I have had a similarly positive experience with Sage. I broke the tip on my 366LL a couple of years ago and even though it was totally my fault, (slammed it with the truck tailgate) they fixed it for free. They have my loyalty. Kevin

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I had a positive (in my opinion) experience too.  I had a Nova (blemished Sage blank) 490LL and broke it while casting real hard.  Sage didn’t send me a free rod tip, but replced it at nominal expense (I forget the exact price, but it was like $25).  Given that it was a Nova and not a Sage, I was pleased.

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I have also had great service from SAGE, but at a price!  I broke the tip on a one year old 389LL and sent it to SAGE.  Much to my surprise, I received a replacement in 4 days.   Also to my surprise, I received a bill for $70 two weeks later.   Needless to say, my enthusiasm dropped.   With their "new" warranty policy, I guess I had bad timing.  

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Iguess I must be from the wrong side of the tracks. I broke the tip on a brand new Sage 4 piece, waited almost 6 weeks for a replacement ( most of the rest of my salmon season) and paid $34 US which  hurts after conversion to my currency. I can’t get too excited about this level of service.– Jack Botsford – Executive Director                      Tel (709) 722-3069 Newfoundland Alliance of Technical Industries           Fax (709) 722-3879 Box 41, Atlantic Place, 215 Water Street St. John’s, NF, CANADA  A1C 6C9

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Last June I purchased a Sage 4711 LLB blank from Patrick’s Fly Shop up in  Seattle, WA. I wrapped and finished it and a 497 RPL (I think). Took a month and a half to teach my wife (who says you can’t teach your honey) how to cast and went off to Northern Canada flyfishing. Came home and while over at the casting ponds, I asked if I could work with it. Well much to my surprise after a few casts it fractured just up from the joint. I’d been told that this might happen to two piece rods. None of this I blame on Sage’s part. I used 4wt line, but may have been casting too far. I called Patrick’s and asked about a replacement and was told to send it to Sage, which I did along with my story. And waited for a letter to advise me how much to send for the replacement. Today UPS showed at my door with my rod and a replacement tip. No Charge! What a surprise! It seems to be a much better tip than the first one as the spline is difficult to feel. Now it is back to the wrapping bench with a smile on my face and a BIG complement to Sage. What great service they have provided to me. I hope others have been just as satisified. —  Remember amateur astronomers: "keep looking for the next Universe"

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| The last couple of years I have become more and more keen on fly | fishing after trout. My experience with fishing wet, dry and streamer | flies is good, but when it comes to using nymph flies I have not been | very successful. | | Several have told me how enjoyable and efficient nymphing can be but | I have yet to experience this. | | I dont think this have anything to do with the patterns I have used | as I have tried out several different ones at several occasions. | I rather suspect my lack of success is due to the fact that my | techniques using nymph flies needs improvements. | | So, anybody out there who are having success with nymphing, please | share your techniques with us who dont. | | Terje |         I have been nymph fishing reasonably successfully for about 10 years , although last year I did not have as much success as previous years, I dont know why. I will share my "rules" for nymphing.                 1) Make sure that your nymph is in a dead drift without                 too much slack in your line. Since you cannot see the nymph,                 the determination of whether you are doing this right is many                 times based on where you cast and the feel of the line when                 you pick it up. This part is the hardest to get right.                 2) I generally cast upstream and do not let it drift too far                 downstream from me. Others may certainly use different                                  techniques here.                 3) Use a visible indicator and SET THE HOOK on anything that                 even slightly resembles a strike. 90% of the time it will                 not be a fish, but you never know.                 4) If you are not occasionally hanging up on the bottom, and                 if you are not catching fish, then put more weight on.                 5) Set the hook everytime you pick up your line for another                 cast. I have caught many fish this way and missed many when                 I haven’t followed this rule.                 6) If all else fails–use smaller nymphs.               Nymphing is hard, and its really not as much fun as dry fly fishing ( in my opinion anyways), but it can be very productive. Good luck, Dan

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The last couple of years I have become more and more keen on fly fishing after trout. My experience with fishing wet, dry and streamer flies is good, but when it comes to using nymph flies I have not been very successful.

In a lake ? fast stream ? or slow deep pools? Several have told me how enjoyable and efficient nymphing can be but I have yet to experience this.

I have read that fully 50% of all takes on a nymph go undetected by the fisherman — probably true. It took several months before I started to consistently catch fish on a nymph (fast streams and deep pools). Some people use a strike indicator- small float or adhesive foam pad. I don’t care for them. Instead I try to keep the line tight and watch for *any* deviation in the line movement (floating line). If the slows, speeds up or changes course in its drift I give a slight tug on the line. Be prepared to set the hook if there is any resistance at this point. Often there will be a good, solid  hit on the nymph at the end of its drift, as it starts to turn out in the current, so let it drift till then. If necessary weight the nymph to get it down to the fish. A split-shot about 8 inches above the nymph should do it. Nymphing in slow water is another deal- requires ’swiming’ the nymph through the pool. I haven’t done this so I can’t offer any advice. I dont think this have anything to do with the patterns I have used as I have tried out several different ones at several occasions.

I like very buggy patterns like the GR Hares Ear. I rather suspect my lack of success is due to the fact that my techniques using nymph flies needs improvements.

or just practice. Try setting the hook on the slightest deviation of the line float. Eventually you start responding preferentially to true takes So, anybody out there who are having success with nymphing, please share your techniques with us who dont. Terje

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The last couple of years I have become more and more keen on fly fishing after trout. My experience with fishing wet, dry and streamer flies is good, but when it comes to using nymph flies I have not been very successful. Several have told me how enjoyable and efficient nymphing can be but I have yet to experience this. I dont think this have anything to do with the patterns I have used as I have tried out several different ones at several occasions. I rather suspect my lack of success is due to the fact that my techniques using nymph flies needs improvements. So, anybody out there who are having success with nymphing, please share your techniques with us who dont. Terje

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| | So, anybody out there who are having success with nymphing, please | share your techniques with us who dont. | | Terje | Step 1) Use a strike indicator until you develop the ability to detect strikes by subtle line motions or flashes. I prefer small flourescent corks that slide up/down the leader. They can be secured to the leader by the end of a toothpick. I usually use a 9 – 12 foot leader. Setp 2) Determine how deep the water is and position the strike indicator 1 1/2 times the water depth above the nymph. Step 3) Nymphing is easier if the water is flowing fast enough for you to approach within 15′ of the fish. FInd a stretch of water with moderate speed, preferably broken up with some boulders or structure. This is not necessary, but I find nymphing to be the easiest on pocket water and in medium speed water with lots of small holding pockets. The easiest depths to nymph are 1-4 feet. Two feet is about perfect. Step 4) Strip about ten feet of flyline off your reel so that you have about twenty feet or less of total line/leader. Setp 5) Flip the line/leader upstream at about a 45 degree angle. Try to have the nymph land downstream of the strike indicator. When the indicator hits the water, raise your rod tip to keep slack line off the water. Have the tip of your rod follow the strike indicator downstream. As the indicator passes you, begin to lower your rod,  feeding line towards the indicator to prolong a drag free drift. When your slack is exhausted, let the indicator sweep across the current until it is directly downstream of you. Start your next cast (or flip) from this position. If at any time during the drift, the indicator pauses, then raise the rod tip slightly, but quickly and feel for a fish. If it’s a fish, it will usually hook itself if you just raise the rod slowly. If upon raising the rod, slightly, you feel nothing, then lower the rod and continue the drift. The pauses of the indicator my be almost imperceptable, so keep your eyes glued to it, and react EVERYTIME it pauses or twitches. Step 5 is the crucial step, and I am not a good enough writer to explain it very well. It is imperative in nymphing that you 1) get as long of a drag free drift as possible.  2) Your nymph must be near the bottom of the stream. I find that I usually have to add a small split shot to get my nymph down quickly. It is better to use too much weight than not enough. Also, since you only need to flip your line, kind of like a roll cast, the split shot do not interfer with casting very much. 3) Be persistent. Fish an area thourghly. Drift the nymph through every pocket of water at least several times. Now, if I have thoroughly confused you, I recommend that you rent a video. There are probably some pretty good nymphing videos and I am sure that you will find them clearer. — The MacNeal-Schwendler Corporation – Bellevue, WA (All opinions expressed are my own and not my employers.)

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