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First of all, my apologies to those who did not get in this year, I wish we could sign up everybody that wants to swap. Now, I tried sending out this list via private email but 2 keep bouncing back, John Russell, I need your correct email address, and an unnamed from aol keeps bouncing.  Aol, in their own inimitable stye won’t say who it is. (!)  Anyway, here it is for better or worse. COPY BEGINS HERE…… Well folks, this will be the final tally on tyers unless someone else decides to drop out. Because of a screw-up on my part, we have wound up with 41 instead of "just" 40.  I trust this will not cause a problem for anyone. PLEASE, when you communicate with me, do it in private e-mail and just use FLY SWAP  in the subject line.  Depending on roff/rofft for communication has caused some problems for me in getting the info in a timely manner.  OK, I’m hitting the road in a few minutes and won’t be available to return messages until sometime this coming Saturday.  Have fun tying and for those who have yet to name your fly, no big deal, but it would be nice if you could remember to send me the name of your pattern when you decide what to tie. 2.   Randy Kane…….TBA 3.   Hans van der Stroom…….TBA 4.   Walter Huff……Deer Hair Bug 5.   Dave Martel…..(LaFontaine Emergent Sparkle Caddis) 7.   John Russell…….(Gold Butt Bear) 9.   Peter Collin……Mark’s Carpet Fly 10.  Lou Teletski…..Epoxyhead Baitfish 11.  Tim Lysyk……. Olive Mountain Midge 14.  Brian Nelson…….TBA 15.  Paul Goodwin……TBA 16.  Sam Stump…….Zug Bug 18.  John Whitely…….TBD 19.  John Brandt…..Royal Coachman Marabou Streamer 20.  Ronald Ausman……TBD 24.  Jamie Heim…….Canadian Killer 28.  Eugene Knapik…… Usual 29.  Jeff Gooldy….Altmar Sunrise 30.  Bob Beardall……TBD 31.  Chris Fanning…….Clouser Tube Fly 34.  Bob Weinberger…….Olive and Starling soft hackle 35.  Michael Hewitt…….Matuka type fly 36.  Charlie Wilson……TBD 38.  Wayne Hart…..TBD 39.  Willi Loehmann….TBD 40.  Warren Findley…..TBD 41.  Herman Nijland….TBD Your Benevolent Old Gray Swapmeister Frank Church in Elkhart, IN bassbugr AT yahoo dot com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -}<((((o ~~~ }<((((o ~~~ }<((((o ~~~ }<(((o

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, my apologies to those who did not get in this year, I wish we could sign up everybody that wants to swap. Now, I tried sending out this list via private email but 2 keep bouncing back, John Russell, I need your correct email address, and an unnamed from aol keeps bouncing.  Aol, in their own inimitable stye won’t say who it is. (!)  Anyway, here it is for better or worse. COPY BEGINS HERE…… Well folks, this will be the final tally on tyers unless someone else decides to drop out. Because of a screw-up on my part, we have wound up with 41 instead of "just" 40.  I trust this will not cause a problem for anyone. PLEASE, when you communicate with me, do it in private e-mail and just use FLY SWAP  in the subject line.  Depending on roff/rofft for communication has caused some problems for me in getting the info in a timely manner.  OK, I’m hitting the road in a few minutes and won’t be available to return messages until sometime this coming Saturday.  Have fun tying and for those who have yet to name your fly, no big deal, but it would be nice if you could remember to send me the name of your pattern when you decide what to tie. 2.   Randy Kane…….TBA 3.   Hans van der Stroom…….TBA 4.   Walter Huff……Deer Hair Bug 5.   Dave Martel…..(LaFontaine Emergent Sparkle Caddis) 7.   John Russell…….(Gold Butt Bear) 9.   Peter Collin……Mark’s Carpet Fly 10.  Lou Teletski…..Epoxyhead Baitfish 11.  Tim Lysyk……. Olive Mountain Midge 14.  Brian Nelson…….TBA 15.  Paul Goodwin……TBA 16.  Sam Stump…….Zug Bug 18.  John Whitely…….TBD 19.  John Brandt…..Royal Coachman Marabou Streamer 20.  Ronald Ausman……TBD 24.  Jamie Heim…….Canadian Killer 28.  Eugene Knapik…… Usual 29.  Jeff Gooldy….Altmar Sunrise 30.  Bob Beardall……TBD 31.  Chris Fanning…….Clouser Tube Fly 34.  Bob Weinberger…….Olive and Starling soft hackle 35.  Michael Hewitt…….Matuka type fly 36.  Charlie Wilson……TBD 38.  Wayne Hart…..TBD 39.  Willi Loehmann….TBD 40.  Warren Findley…..TBD 41.  Herman Nijland….TBD 42.  George Gehrke ….The Bigot Special Your Benevolent Old Gray Swapmeister Frank Church in Elkhart, IN bassbugr AT yahoo dot com }<((((o ~~~ }<((((o ~~~ }<((((o ~~~ }<(((o

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42.  George Gehrke ….The Bigot Special

george, you can’t help spewing yer vitriolic shit everywhere, can ya? you are one sad example of a homo sapien….. oneday soon, i’m convinced you will be received warmly in hell. –waldo

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Walt?  Not true.  I don’t see how an old fart like you can continue with such nonsense?  Thing is Walt, it doesn’t take much to piss you off about ANYTHING! If you want The Bigot Special, just ask, I’ve always been tolerant of you Walt.   christ.  Lighten up man. George Gehrke To hell and back 42.  George Gehrke ….The Bigot Special george, you can’t help spewing yer vitriolic shit everywhere, can ya?

f*^# you Walt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –waldo

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one of these day’s i’ll learn not to respond to the friggin’ village idiot. –waldo

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<snip f*^# you Walt.

Exactly what I was talking about last week George. Same old cycle.  Show up, post a few relatively informative messages, try to act friendly, then resort to the same old insults and bombast.  Start a flame war, leave in a huff, promise to stay away for a while, then come back a day later for more.  The cycle repeats as it has since 1995. Somebody on the commercial side of flyfishing should think a bit more before making public postings in a flyfishing newsgroup, George.  Thousands of people read these messages.  You lose more potential customers every time you repeat this cycle.  You provide entertainment for your detractors, and hurt your business.  What’s the sense of that? –Stan – post followups to misc.business.marketing.clueless (gonna buy a Bud Lite for Waldo and let it sit on my car until May – freeze, thaw, heat up, repeat)

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(gonna buy a Bud Lite for Waldo and let it sit on my car until May – freeze, thaw, heat up, repeat)

jeez stan, what the hell did i ever do to you to deseve *that*? –waldo, screw-it, ya’ll can find me at the wiekert sportsmans club come may….. yuengling on draft

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jeez stan, what the hell did i ever do to you to deseve *that*? –waldo, screw-it, ya’ll can find me at the wiekert sportsmans club come may….. yuengling on draft

Winters, you are nothing more than a quibbler.  All of you carolina people are quibblers. Quibblers, quibblers, quibbler. So, their! G. Gehrke American Jet Warrior

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Your vocabulary speaks for itself on the higher plains of roff.  Did you take college courses in swearing or did you just attend North Carolina University for a week? George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – one of these day’s i’ll learn not to respond to the friggin’ village idiot. –waldo

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Maybe people from this area (Baltimore- Washington Corridor) could hook up for lunch, scope out some things together or just appreciate how plain stupid we probably look to one another.  Not that there’s really anything wrong with being ugly, I feel proud  that I am actually very good at practicing and exhibiting ugliness, it doesn’t take a lot of work ya know. Hell, if we were to hook up as a small clave of complete mullethead wearing, scudge head looking, biscuit head toting boneheads we just might be able to take over the place and buy some fine tackle.  I am sure the hucksters would gladly hook-up a collective group of biscuit head Roffians with good prices and great deals,  just to see us move away from their booth in a hurry. Having never visited the show before I have every intention of dragging this big ass unsightly looking numbnut over to the extravaganza in hope of meeting some other butt ugly Roffian brothers and see some way cool stuff and demos.  Who knows, even a non repugnant ugster like myself could grab some free FF lessons and/or instructions. Anybody interested at meeting one another at the show please post to the group or e-mail me, maybe someone who have been there before could indicate a good place to meet, at least for an introduction.  Keep in mind the uglier the better, attractive people need not apply. On the more serious side, if anybody is interest in car pooling from Columbia, MD, please give me a shout.  I’ll be glad to drive as long as my Jeep is out of the shop. Your One and Only Supreme Cheesehead. Tony Norton

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Tony;    Got a bunch of us meeting at the front desk at noon on Saturday. Just look for the naked guys wearing pink or red carnations swilling Glen Livet from the bottle (anti-freeze doncha know).             Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe people from this area (Baltimore- Washington Corridor) could hook up for lunch, scope out some things together or just appreciate how plain stupid we probably look to one another.  Not that there’s really anything wrong with being ugly, I feel proud  that I am actually very good at practicing and exhibiting ugliness, it doesn’t take a lot of work ya know. Hell, if we were to hook up as a small clave of complete mullethead wearing, scudge head looking, biscuit head toting boneheads we just might be able to take over the place and buy some fine tackle.  I am sure the hucksters would gladly hook-up a collective group of biscuit head Roffians with good prices and great deals,  just to see us move away from their booth in a hurry. Having never visited the show before I have every intention of dragging this big ass unsightly looking numbnut over to the extravaganza in hope of meeting some other butt ugly Roffian brothers and see some way cool stuff and demos.  Who knows, even a non repugnant ugster like myself could grab some free FF lessons and/or instructions. Anybody interested at meeting one another at the show please post to the group or e-mail me, maybe someone who have been there before could indicate a good place to meet, at least for an introduction.  Keep in mind the uglier the better, attractive people need not apply. On the more serious side, if anybody is interest in car pooling from Columbia, MD, please give me a shout.  I’ll be glad to drive as long as my Jeep is out of the shop. Your One and Only Supreme Cheesehead. Tony Norton

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Tony;    Got a bunch of us meeting at the front desk at noon on Saturday. Just look for the naked guys wearing pink or red carnations swilling Glen Livet from the bottle (anti-freeze doncha know).             Frank Reid

HEY FRANK!  I just figured out HOW to hold that carnation!!!! — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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Tony;    Got a bunch of us meeting at the front desk at noon on Saturday. Just look for the naked guys wearing pink or red carnations swilling Glen Livet from the bottle (anti-freeze doncha know).             Frank Reid HEY FRANK!  I just figured out HOW to hold that carnation!!!! — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

ROFLMAO!  Somebody, anybody, have a video rolling when the carnation wielders arrive. If it’s drooping, does it mean it needs water? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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ROFLMAO!  Somebody, anybody, have a video rolling when the carnation wielders arrive. If it’s drooping, does it mean it needs water? Peter

GAAAWWWWD PETER!! You want pictures of the STRANGEST things! — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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So, Tony, after that last bit of visual cueing (god, I’ll need extensive therapy just to cleanse my brain, or a 4 pack of McAffrey’s), do you still want to meet with this bunch?           Frank Drink early, drink often. ROFLMAO!  Somebody, anybody, have a video rolling when the carnation wielders arrive. If it’s drooping, does it mean it needs water? Peter GAAAWWWWD PETER!! You want pictures of the STRANGEST things! — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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I’ll be there Saturday.  I’ll look for the ones wearing a "ROFF" sign around their neck about noon.  I’ll be the decrepit old coot wearing a non-fly fishing white baseball cap that has a small red, white and blue logo that says "owners day 2000" on the front.  If you don’t like what you see make believe that you never heard of ROFF Lou

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Pink carnations!  We all need pink carnations.  The wiff promised to get some at work so I’ll pass them out (before I pass out).             Frank I’ll be there Saturday.  I’ll look for the ones wearing a "ROFF" sign around their neck about noon.  I’ll be the decrepit old coot wearing a non- fly fishing white baseball cap that has a small red, white and blue logo that says "owners day 2000" on the front.  If you don’t like what you see make believe that you never heard of ROFF Lou

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"Frank Reid" wrote Pink carnations!  We all need pink carnations.

   And pick-up trucks!           Charlie, feeling a little out of luck.

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Maybe people from this area (Baltimore- Washington Corridor) could hook up for lunch, scope out some things together or just appreciate how plain stupid we probably look to one another.

SWMBO & I will be there Saturday (I’m still amazed she’s going to do it.) If I can’t find pink carnations, I’ll be wearing a ROFF hat (yeah, and shirt & pants & shoes for you wise guys).   Probably won’t make a whole day of it; but noon Sat. at the entrance table works for me.   Counting spouses, that’s what, seven? Joe F.

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Pink carnations!  We all need pink carnations.  The wiff promised to get some at work so I’ll pass them out (before I pass out).            Frank

I thought the title was A White Sport Coat and Pink Crustaceans. Parrot Head Big Dale

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Well, in Maryland, we all got crabs, so that would be a bit outre.  We should do crab samiches for lunch.      Frank I thought the title was A White Sport Coat and Pink Crustaceans. Parrot Head Big Dale

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Big Dale, Dianna and I were at one of his concerts last summer and had a blast.  Parrot Heads and fins everywhere!!! — Wayne wasting away in margaritaville To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought the title was A White Sport Coat and Pink Crustaceans. Parrot Head Big Dale

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Hi, I came in the other day through deja.com and found, in the BMW forum, 373 listed replies to that thread… as I clicked through some of them, I was transferred through many different newsgroups, including one for Sega Dreamcast, one for Fly Fishing, and who knows what all. Today I see the same thread but with only 16 replies listed. Can someone enlighten me as to what’s going on?  Why is this thread flowing through a bunch of different newsgroups, and how did it get into the BMW forum? Thanks for any info, —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Seemed to have been a kid looking for attention by making redneck comments about a news story.  He posted it on a bunch of threads…..none appropriate.  It became obvious that only ignoring it would make it go away.

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Thanks for the reply, Ed. What I still don’t understand, however, is why clicking through the thread moves me into *entirely different newsgroups*. Clicking on reply after reply, I find myself in different forums, no Does anyone know how this is possible?  Why don’t I see *only the parts of the thread that are posted in the BMW forum*? –John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the reply, Ed. What I still don’t understand, however, is why clicking through the thread moves me into *entirely different newsgroups*. Clicking on reply after reply, I find myself in different forums, no Does anyone know how this is possible?  Why don’t I see *only the parts of the thread that are posted in the BMW forum*? –John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

Are you doing this through remarq?  Maybe it’s an option they have that sorts by thread and transcends groups.  That might actually be a cool thing to look at. Doug Mount

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Hi Doug, Go in through this link, which is to deja.com’s usenet service, click on the "White Trash" thread, then go down a ways and click on replies… you’ll find yourself in different forums as you continue to go down through, although deja says there are [at the time I looked] 660+ replies as shown on the BMW board… http://x68.deja.com/[ST_rn=fs]/viewthread.xp?thitnum=1&mhitnum=0&toffset=0&CONTEXT=967322458.27 6496431&frpage=threadmsg_if.xp&back=alt.autos.bmw&rok=1 I wrote to deja.com asking about it, but never got a reply. —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Well, whatever was up with that thread, it no longer shows up on deja.com/usenet/’s alt.autos.bmw listing — just as well. I suspect a software glitch at deja or some malicious thread tampering, but since it’s gone now, perhaps I’ll never know. —John * Sent from Novell Discussion Forums http://novell.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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The best brookie I ever caught at camp (14" in a small stream where a 10-incher is a good one) came to beat up red&white devil bug immediately after my dog took a dip in the bathtub-sized pool it was in.

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…first thing a little kid learns when bas fishing farm ponds with his uncle is to walk softly…….the big stick was a fly rod……john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously, I believe that trout can better hear your footsteps than they can hear your voice–especially if you are in the water.  Fish hear differently than humans but the ability of sound to travel through any given medium does not change.  Sound travelling in the air does not penetrate the water very well.  Sound travels extremely well in water, it just doesn’t make the transition from air to water very well.  You Footsteps can be enough, cf. the only time in my life I found a trout over 5 lb. actively feeding in daylight exactly as the books say.  This was about 25 year ago on the Pere Marquette, right at the Baldwin campground within sight of 20 to 30 tents. A big one showed about an hour before sundown and I timed the interval until its next rise — something between 7 and 12 minutes, and in exactly the same position.   After waiting appropriately I started drifting my dry through that lie, as carefully as possible.  The fish rose again bang on schedule — but a yard to one side and a bit downstream so did not see my fly.  So I carefully gathered the line and looked at my watch to time the next interval. — And within a couple of minutes two or three children ran along the streamside path.  I could feel the vibrations through my own boots.  And the fish never showed again…. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few years ago I was fishing the Tongariro river, here in New Zealand, in the company of a man in his eighties. We were fishing to visible fish, and lots of them, holding at the tail of a pool. We threw everything we had at them, all of these flies they greeted with complete disdain. "Only one way to fire them up,’ said my companion and tossed a thumping great rock in the midst of the fish at the tail of the pool. In less than a minute we were hooking up on just about every cast.????  On quiet days on just about any river here-abouts, we pray for a canoe, or rapid-running raft. Stirs the fish up no end. As I have heard Americans say, "Go figure". Well I’ll be damned, that’s a new one.  What about falling in, does that help? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

Yes, falling in does help.  Why, just last week I had walked down to the creek after dinner to do some fishing before dark.  I’d been casting to rising fish for 15 or 20 minutes when I lost my footing and ended up in the water.  5 minutes later a kid rode by on his bike and asked if I had caught anything.  I said ‘no’ and told him that I had just fallen in.  He laughed.  2 or 3 casts later I caught a fish and another shortly after that.  Then the kid and his dad show up and start fishing just downstream of me and they’re catching fish too.  Before I fell in, I didn’t even have a bite.  After falling in, I caught fish. Go figure. Tom Before you buy.

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wayno, who admittedly doesn’t look all that good in green tights

I could have lived without that one in my head. Joe F.

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waldo writes: wayno, who admittedly doesn’t look all that good in green tights yeah a sad sight for sure…. but, laurie seemed to like the lace and frills. waldo <g

You shouldn’t talk — there is no way to describe you and those horrid green waders.  Well, maybe there is —-you look like a sick transvestite frog is those things.  If they check your luggage when you fly up to Portland, you will probably be arrested. Louie

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You shouldn’t talk — there is no way to describe you and those horrid green waders.  Well, maybe there is —-you look like a sick transvestite frog is those things.  If they check your luggage when you fly up to Portland, you will probably be arrested.

Especially if they mistake me (sitting next to him on the flight) as a minor. –Steve

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Seriously, I believe that trout can better hear your footsteps than they can hear your voice–especially if you are in the water.  Fish hear differently than humans but the ability of sound to travel through any given medium does not change.  Sound travelling in the air does not penetrate the water very well.  Sound travels extremely well in water, it just doesn’t make the transition from air to water very well.  You

Footsteps can be enough, cf. the only time in my life I found a trout over 5 lb. actively feeding in daylight exactly as the books say.  This was about 25 year ago on the Pere Marquette, right at the Baldwin campground within sight of 20 to 30 tents. A big one showed about an hour before sundown and I timed the interval until its next rise — something between 7 and 12 minutes, and in exactly the same position.   After waiting appropriately I started drifting my dry through that lie, as carefully as possible.  The fish rose again bang on schedule — but a yard to one side and a bit downstream so did not see my fly.  So I carefully gathered the line and looked at my watch to time the next interval. — And within a couple of minutes two or three children ran along the streamside path.  I could feel the vibrations through my own boots.  And the fish never showed again…. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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When I lived in England, I used to fish the Great Ouse for pike.  Clear water and nothing moving was the rule of the day.  What my tactic came to be was casting after the boats that came down.  The boats would stir the minnows (gudgeon) out of the weeds and the pike new this and would move in with a slashing attack.  You could watch them flying into the center of the river as a boat lumbered by.  Great fishing.       Frank Reid Before you buy.

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When I lived in England, I used to fish the Great Ouse for pike.  Clear water and nothing moving was the rule of the day.  What my tactic came to be was casting after the boats that came down.  The boats would stir the minnows (gudgeon) out of the weeds and the pike new this and would move in with a slashing attack.  You could watch them flying into the center of the river as a boat lumbered by.  Great fishing.

A similar thing occasionally happens on the Salmon R. (NY) during the salmon run.   Things can be slow for a while until a drift boat going through moves ‘em around a bit. Joe F.

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Peter    hilarious.  and the poor misguided man claims he will outfish *me* at the maine clave.  *me*, the peter pan of the smokys! wayno, who admittedly doesn’t look all that good in green tights

Peter Pan, eh?  and exactly what are your intentions toward Tinker Bell? Peter the panning

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I still think that loud wading will spook fish. On the other hand in the fall when jet boat from the lodge go by it does increase the feeding activity after they go by. I ‘m sure that the jet boat wake dislodges eggs on the river bottom causing a feeding frenzy.    Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few years ago I was fishing the Tongariro river, here in New Zealand, in the company of a man in his eighties. We were fishing to visible fish, and lots of them, holding at the tail of a pool. We threw everything we had at them, all of these flies they greeted with complete disdain. "Only one way to fire them up,’ said my companion and tossed a thumping great rock in the midst of the fish at the tail of the pool. In less than a minute we were hooking up on just about every cast.????  On quiet days on just about any river here-abouts, we pray for a canoe, or rapid-running raft. Stirs the fish up no end. As I have heard Americans say, "Go figure". Well I’ll be damned, that’s a new one.  What about falling in, does that help? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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A few years ago I was fishing the Tongariro river, here in New Zealand, in the company of a man in his eighties. We were fishing to visible fish, and lots of them, holding at the tail of a pool. We threw everything we had at them, all of these flies they greeted with complete disdain. "Only one way to fire them up,’ said my companion and tossed a thumping great rock in the midst of the fish at the tail of the pool. In less than a minute we were hooking up on just about every cast.????  On quiet days on just about any river here-abouts, we pray for a canoe, or rapid-running raft. Stirs the fish up no end. As I have heard Americans say, "Go figure". — Tony Bishop  New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

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A few years ago I was fishing the Tongariro river, here in New Zealand, in the company of a man in his eighties. We were fishing to visible fish, and lots of them, holding at the tail of a pool. We threw everything we had at them, all of these flies they greeted with complete disdain. "Only one way to fire them up,’ said my companion and tossed a thumping great rock in the midst of the fish at the tail of the pool. In less than a minute we were hooking up on just about every cast.????  On quiet days on just about any river here-abouts, we pray for a canoe, or rapid-running raft. Stirs the fish up no end. As I have heard Americans say, "Go figure".

Well I’ll be damned, that’s a new one.  What about falling in, does that help? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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Do above the water noises (eg. someone talking loudly or calling out)

According Gary A. Borger in his book Nymphing, "Sound generated in water is louder than a similar sound generated on the bank.  Thus, the angler should not wade unless necessary, and then he should wade cautiously, quietly, and slowly.  Sounds in the air do not enter the water unless they are of explosive force; so talking won’t bother the fish at all. Padishar

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[rocky store snipped] As I have heard Americans say, "Go figure". Well I’ll be damned, that’s a new one.  What about falling in, does that help? — Levi

Doubt it.  If that were true, Louie would be the best damn trout fisherman on the planet.  <g Peter

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Doubt it.  If that were true, Louie would be the best damn trout fisherman on the planet.  <g

Well, that’s what he says, isn’t it? <g — Charlie…

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Well I’ll be damned, that’s a new one.  What about falling in, does that help? — Levi Doubt it.  If that were true, Louie would be the best damn trout fisherman on the planet.  <g Peter

        hilarious.  and the poor misguided man claims he will outfish *me* at the maine clave.  *me*, the peter pan of the smokys! wayno, who admittedly doesn’t look all that good in green tights

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        hilarious.  and the poor misguided man claims he will outfish *me* at the maine clave.  *me*, the peter pan of the smokys! wayno, who admittedly doesn’t look all that good in green tights

yeah a sad sight for sure…. but, laurie seemed to like the lace and frills. waldo <g

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Do above the water noises (eg. someone talking loudly or calling out) put trout down? How about canoes passing by? How long should I wait or should I move on to another spot? Bob

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Do above the water noises (eg. someone talking loudly or calling out) put trout down? How about canoes passing by? How long should I wait or should I move on to another spot? Bob

Of course talking puts trout down–why else would all those old guys constantly be telling their kids to be quiet? Seriously, I believe that trout can better hear your footsteps than they can hear your voice–especially if you are in the water.  Fish hear differently than humans but the ability of sound to travel through any given medium does not change.  Sound travelling in the air does not penetrate the water very well.  Sound travels extremely well in water, it just doesn’t make the transition from air to water very well.  You can’t hear above water human voices very well when you are underwater, and I doubt that trout can either.  You can, however, hear two rocks banged together underwater very well if you are underwater at the time.  You could yell all day when standing in a sandy bottom river and not put the fish down, but not talking while every third step you make is knocking rocks together underfoot would be pointless.  Even when you are on shore I think that the trout can hear your footsteps better than your voice. Canoes–maybe, but not too much if canoes are a common occurence and rarely contain fishermen.  If the fish associate canoes with being caught, well, all bets are off.  Oars banging the side of the canoe, etc. could put fish down quickly. How long to wait?  Not long.  Just keep fishing–move if you think the canoe has seriously disturbed the area but don’t just stop fishing for 10 minutes because a canoe went by with some screaming kids in it. Maybe the fish do take a few minutes to resume feeding, but why wait? The fish will resume feeding at their own pace and you want your fly in their sights when they do. Tom Before you buy.

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Trout have no ears as such, but can sense vibrations very well indeed. Talking should not normally disturb them, but it may well disturb people who are trying to catch them, as will boom boxes, dogs, canoes, children throwing stones etc etc. Depending on circumstances, most fish will resume feeding within ten minutes to half an hour after being disturbed, so it is probably better to wait and try again, at least until the next lot of canoeists, children, dogs, etc appears, before roundly cursing, and going home. TL MC — "In order to know what is possible one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do above the water noises (eg. someone talking loudly or calling out) put trout down? How about canoes passing by? How long should I wait or should I move on to another spot? Bob

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The other day I was fishing my home river. I was catching a trout now and then using a white miller caddis.As I rounded a bend I noticed a fish rising beside the shoreline alders. I was about to cast when out of the woods came a big branch followed by a very large black lab.Two kids,probably about 8 years old, were standing there grinning like all get out. The rest of the family was camped back in the woods. I made my way past the kids expecting that that was the end of any fishing in that stretch. Then I noticed a rise about 50′ upstream from the game of fetch. And then another. For the next half hour or so I cast to and caught about half a dozen fish no more than a 100′ from the on going water sports taking place  behind me. The noise obviously took a back seat in the fishes minds to the food floating over their heads. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do above the water noises (eg. someone talking loudly or calling out) put trout down? How about canoes passing by? How long should I wait or should I move on to another spot? Bob Of course talking puts trout down–why else would all those old guys constantly be telling their kids to be quiet? Seriously, I believe that trout can better hear your footsteps than they can hear your voice–especially if you are in the water.  Fish hear differently than humans but the ability of sound to travel through any given medium does not change.  Sound travelling in the air does not penetrate the water very well.  Sound travels extremely well in water, it just doesn’t make the transition from air to water very well.  You can’t hear above water human voices very well when you are underwater, and I doubt that trout can either.  You can, however, hear two rocks banged together underwater very well if you are underwater at the time.  You could yell all day when standing in a sandy bottom river and not put the fish down, but not talking while every third step you make is knocking rocks together underfoot would be pointless.  Even when you are on shore I think that the trout can hear your footsteps better than your voice. Canoes–maybe, but not too much if canoes are a common occurence and rarely contain fishermen.  If the fish associate canoes with being caught, well, all bets are off.  Oars banging the side of the canoe, etc. could put fish down quickly. How long to wait?  Not long.  Just keep fishing–move if you think the canoe has seriously disturbed the area but don’t just stop fishing for 10 minutes because a canoe went by with some screaming kids in it. Maybe the fish do take a few minutes to resume feeding, but why wait? The fish will resume feeding at their own pace and you want your fly in their sights when they do. Tom Before you buy.

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Those damn ducks! Yesterday around 6:00 p.m. I finally finished getting the boat ready for guests for the OpSail parade.  Hosed off the finger piers real nice, too. The local ducks must prefer a clean head because they jumped right up and christened my neatly-Flemished dockline.

   The damn crows "christened" Stinky’s new seat – which was inside the boat, with the top up. They either went inside the boat, let one go, and said "whew! something stinks in here!" and left, or did a Luke Skywalker dive-bomb and pull-up in the side window. Lloyd Sumpter "Stinky" Fibrecraft 14 — It’s better to be at the dock, wishing you were at sea, than at sea, wishing you were at the dock.

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or you could just feed ‘em Alka-Seltzer…..   In our years of boating we’ve tried fake owls and snakes, wind socks and conical piling tops but there seems to be no permanent solution to these gulls who leave huge droppings on our clean and polished decks. Then they fly by overhead laughing at us!  There is no solution to the problem but now there is revenge.  A colleague has developed a shareware PC game called "Gullblaster".  It features rendered seashore scenes and sounds and a sky littered with the enemy seagulls.  Now you can blast them out of the sky without legal implications.   There is also a screen saver called "Picture Saver" available on Steve’s web site.  It is a "slide show" viewer that allows you to display your favorite seashore scenes or boating and fishing pictures that are saved on your PC as graphic images.  Check it out at:   Freeware and shareware screen savers, games, and utilities   If you have problems with this as a link, just paste this site into your viewer’s location window – http://webshed.webjump.com/   —   Regards,   John G.   —   NJ Coastal and ICW – Somers Point / Ocean City

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In our years of boating we’ve tried fake owls and snakes, wind socks and conical piling tops but there seems to be no permanent solution to these gulls who leave huge droppings on our clean and polished decks. Then they fly by overhead laughing at us!  There is no solution to the problem but now there is revenge.  A colleague has developed a shareware PC game called "Gullblaster".  It features rendered seashore scenes and sounds and a sky littered with the enemy seagulls.  Now you can blast them out of the sky without legal implications. There is also a screen saver called "Picture Saver" available on Steve’s web site.  It is a "slide show" viewer that allows you to display your favorite seashore scenes or boating and fishing pictures that are saved on your PC as graphic images.  Check it out at: Freeware and shareware screen savers, games, and utilities If you have problems with this as a link, just paste this site into your viewer’s location window – http://webshed.webjump.com/ — Regards, John G. — NJ Coastal and ICW – Somers Point / Ocean City

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You know they taste like chicken!!

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Those damn ducks! Yesterday around 6:00 p.m. I finally finished getting the boat ready for guests for the OpSail parade.  Hosed off the finger piers real nice, too. The local ducks must prefer a clean head because they jumped right up and christened my neatly-Flemished dockline.

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I have heard that the fishing for stripers can be good right through November. Can anyone point me to a source of information about this.  It would be helpful to know: How late the fish are generally around. Where you can launch a boat from and safely leave your truck and trailer. What tides and locations are best. Thanks for info. JK

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Http://www.reel-time.com  Check the FishWire Reports.  Weekly NY saltwater fly fishing reports. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have heard that the fishing for stripers can be good right through November. Can anyone point me to a source of information about this.  It would be helpful to know: How late the fish are generally around. Where you can launch a boat from and safely leave your truck and trailer. What tides and locations are best. Thanks for info. JK

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Did you ever see the Walker’s Cay Chronicles, where Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh were down in that area fly fishing for False Albicore? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Did you ever see the Walker’s Cay Chronicles, where Flip Pallot and Lefty Kreh were down in that area fly fishing for False Albicore? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

No.  I’d like to see it though.  That has become one hot light tackle fishery.  Since most people don’t like the false albacore, it is also a catch and release fishery, which will certainly help sustain the stocks as the popularity increases. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Jeff; Congrabulations!  Hope you fall as much in love with your Scout as I have mine.  False Albacore should be running in your area soon, right? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

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Jeff; Congrabulations!  Hope you fall as much in love with your Scout as I have mine.  False Albacore should be running in your area soon, right? – Bud — Bud Feuless & Miki Magara-Feuless

Yes.  It usually happens in April.  Worry not, I will be catching them! Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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   Congrats Jeff !!!!   Have fun Mike G.

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

With 150 HP Yamaha and a $2000 single axle trailer for this new 19′ boat, my guess would be $25,000. — Skipper

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob

I paid a fair price to the dealer in my area that was most helpful. Amazingly, I was able to negotiate a deal without knowing dealer invoice, blue book value, and wholesale cost.  If you are serious about prices, I suggest calling some dealers in your area for some quotes.  Tell me what they are quoting, and I will give you my opinion on that price.   Scout makes boats up to 20′ in center console, dual console, side console, and flats style.  They are at www.scoutboats.com. Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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just womdering what you paid? and do the scouts come in center consoles and what is there cost if you dont mind thanks rob With 150 HP Yamaha and a $2000 single axle trailer for this new 19′ boat, my guess would be $25,000. — Skipper

Good guess, Skipper.  I got a dual axle trailer, and the boat is closer to 20′ than 19′ (19′ 10" LOA). Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Got the call from the dealer today.  My new Scout 202 SF is in!  I’m going to go down on Saturday and lay out where I want the electronics mounted.  It will be ready for the water next week, and I anticipate picking it up on the 13th!   Now I just need the fish to start their trip to the NC coast… Jeff Sorry, but email address disguised due to unscrupulous spammers.  Please respond in Usenet.

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Got the call from the dealer today.  My new Scout 202 SF is in!  I’m going to go down on Saturday and lay out where I want the electronics mounted.  It will be ready for the water next week, and I anticipate picking it up on the 13th!   Now I just need the fish to start their trip to the NC coast… Jeff

Congrats indeed, Jeff!  It always seems that the first year or two, when you’re busy turning the boat into what you want it to be, are the most enjoyable.  We just switched and there’s all the usual redoing to change the obviously stupid decisions the manufacturer and previous owners made to the One True Path of Righteousness (and humility???) Enjoy!

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I have had this happen to me on occasion. I use a hemostat and open the gap of the hook a small amount as well as off-setting the point a bit. This seems to occur most often when I’m using very small flies, 18-24. Just my 2 cents worth and it helps my hook ups when I can’t seem to hook anything.

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Mike, Maybe you should talk to your Doc.  I just had knee surgery and my Doc said fishing and in particular float tubeing is great therapy.  i.e. cold water for swelling and good low impact excercise.  Talk to a sports medicine specialist.  Which is all We have in Tahoe.   As to missed hook ups?  I miss just as many from a boat as from a tube go figure. Dick W.

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Soft mouths may be part of the problem, it seems when this occurs, the sharper the hook, the larger the tear it makes in the tissue, resulting in a larger oblong hole, enabling the hook to let itself work free easier. Another problem may be fish caught and released rather frequently whose hmouth hasn’t had a chance to heal yet….I mean, I’m sure we’ve all been in a place where we’ve caught the same fish twice in one outing and you know what I’m talking about. What’s the answer? Hell, I dunno…it’s not barbed or duller hooks, that’s fersure! Larry #:)#

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I have seen people dunk the rod tip in the water to prevent the fish jumping. Never tried it myself preferring to keep the tension on the line as the fish jumps. That is quite difficult, I don’t need to tell you. Good observation on the angle in a float tube. I had never thought about that

In salmon fishing, it is normal to "bow to the fish" by dropping the rod tip (not necessarily into the water) when he jumps.  With such large fish, it is prudent to reduce sudden shocks to the hook hold. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Hi Dennis, Nice to see you on this newsgroup.  Sounds like you had a nice day fishing!!! As you can see, I am fairly limited this year due to the leg but still plan on taking my trip to the Mill Hole on the Kettle River this Summer!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I had a really strange occurance happen to me this weekend.   I was fishing one of my favorite lakes from a raft (tore up the ligaments in my left knee so no float tube for me this Summer!) with my Sage SP+.  The fishing was really good and I hooked into about 18 fish.  Of these 18, 4 got off via jumping and tossing the barbless fly, 1 actually made it to the boat and the rest of them had the fly pull out of their mouths during the fight.   My hooks were sharp and I didn’t feel like I was doing anything different then normal.  The only thing I can think of is the combination of the odd angle I had to sit in the raft combined with using my 9 foot SP+ (The wrong rod choice for this situation in hind sight.  Should have used my softer DS II.)  I did speak to another angler who reported that his fishing party was having the same problems.   I know fish will develop soft mouths when the water gets really warm but this is a high mountain lake and the water was still quite cool.  Any other ideas? Mike

Mike I wouldn’t think the rod or the angle has much to do with it.  Sunday, I couldn’t get a hookup or land a fish to save my life.  I think it has more to do with what the fish are taking.  Emergers and duns they have to rush, spinners and cripples they can take their time. Yesterday, they were feeding on spent trico spinners.  In retrospect, I should have been slower on the hook set.  I was probably yanking the fly out of their mouths’.  I know, it’s tough to slow down when you’re keyed for the strike.  The previous few times that I have been out, the fish were consistently taking duns and emergers and I missed only a few. Worth a try. Peter

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We have a different problem in the small streams in New Mexico and Colorado.  3 to 6 " small fish jump all over a dry fly and when you snap your wrist from the sudden and violent strike, the 3" to 6" small trout flies by your ear (right ear if right handed, etc.) and lands behind you.  We have found that these "flying" fish will shoot off when released so we assume they enjoy this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know if this applies to your situation, but I’ve found that if you apply direct pressure when a fish is facing you, pullouts are much more likely.  I apply pressure to the side when a fish is facing me and try to get it turned and fighting away from me. This is especially true in streams and rivers where you want the fish fighting the current instead of using it to their advantage. Willi I had a really strange occurance happen to me this weekend.   I was fishing one of my favorite lakes from a raft (tore up the ligaments in my left knee so no float tube for me this Summer!) with my Sage SP+.  The fishing was really good and I hooked into about 18 fish.  Of these 18, 4 got off via jumping and tossing the barbless fly, 1 actually made it to the boat and the rest of them had the fly pull out of their mouths during the fight. My hooks were sharp and I didn’t feel like I was doing anything different then normal.  The only thing I can think of is the combination of the odd angle I had to sit in the raft combined with using my 9 foot SP+ (The wrong rod choice for this situation in hind sight.  Should have used my softer DS II.)  I did speak to another angler who reported that his fishing party was having the same problems.   I know fish will develop soft mouths when the water gets really warm but this is a high mountain lake and the water was still quite cool.  Any other ideas? Mike

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Hi Mike, How are you? Sounds like you haven’t given up FF! Either have I, got several 20 to 22 inch brookies and bows last Monday on the Connetquot River. It was a great day. As for fast vs slow rods. I like slow rods for casting drys and faster rods for streamers. As for loosing fish. I can loose as many fish on a fast rod as can on a slow rod. Still casting flies and telling lies. Dennis

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<<I don’t want to start a rod fight but I’ve seen fishermen of various experience levels have problems with Sage RPL+ and other very fast rods. As I understand it the SP+ is even faster. I watched a fishing friend last year on the Madison above Quake Lake lose fish after fish with a brand new RPL+. I gave him my Loomis GL-3 and he started landing fish. I admit last month I would have given my left something for the RPL+ on Gray Reef with the wind howeling in my face and the Loomis just wasn’t enough gun to reach fish that under normal circumstances would have been easy to cast to. I have used my SP+ for two years now and haven’t ever felt I lost a fish due to the rod being too stiff until this particular weekend.  In fact, on rivers, it is my rod of choice. Like I mentioned in my previous post, I normally fish in my float tube. Sitting in the tube is similar to standing thus I haven’t had a problem hooking and keeping fish.  This occurance in the raft was just unique enough that I thought I would share it and see if anybody else has ever has this type of problem who wasn’t in a full leg brace and sitting at an angle in a rubber raft <grin The most likely cause was my sitting position combined with having a stiffer rod but I wanted to find out if anybody had ever run across trout who seemed to have really soft mouths like a Silver does.  This particular lake was just rehabilitated last year so this is a different gene pool of trout and it is possible that this is a genetic characteristic of the trout that were planted in the lake. Anyway, it really doesn’t matter much.  I had a great time and the one fish I did land was the largest of the year so I have nothing to complain about. Mike

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I have seen people dunk the rod tip in the water to prevent the fish jumping. Never tried it myself preferring to keep the tension on the line as the fish jumps. That is quite difficult, I don’t need to tell you. Good observation on the angle in a float tube. I had never thought about that before. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I had a really strange occurance happen to me this weekend.   I was fishing one of my favorite lakes from a raft (tore up the ligaments in my left knee so no float tube for me this Summer!) with my Sage SP+.  The fishing was really good and I hooked into about 18 fish.  Of these 18, 4 got off via jumping and tossing the barbless fly, 1 actually made it to the boat and the rest of them had the fly pull out of their mouths during the fight. My hooks were sharp and I didn’t feel like I was doing anything different then normal.  The only thing I can think of is the combination of the odd angle I had to sit in the raft combined with using my 9 foot SP+ (The wrong rod choice for this situation in hind sight.  Should have used my softer DS II.)  I did speak to another angler who reported that his fishing party was having the same problems.   I know fish will develop soft mouths when the water gets really warm but this is a high mountain lake and the water was still quite cool. Any other ideas? Mike

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<<I don’t want to start a rod fight but I’ve seen fishermen of various experience levels have problems with Sage RPL+ and other very fast rods. As I understand it the SP+ is even faster. I watched a fishing friend last year on the Madison above Quake Lake lose fish after fish with a brand new RPL+. I gave him my Loomis GL-3 and he started landing fish. I admit last month I would have given my left something for the RPL+ on Gray Reef with the wind howeling in my face and the Loomis just wasn’t enough gun to reach fish that under normal circumstances would have been easy to cast to. I have used my SP+ for two years now and haven’t ever felt I lost a fish due to the rod being too stiff until this particular weekend.  In fact, on rivers, it is my rod of choice.   Like I mentioned in my previous post, I normally fish in my float tube. Sitting in the tube is similar to standing thus I haven’t had a problem hooking and keeping fish.  This occurance in the raft was just unique enough that I thought I would share it and see if anybody else has ever has this type of problem who wasn’t in a full leg brace and sitting at an angle in a rubber raft <grin The most likely cause was my sitting position combined with having a stiffer rod but I wanted to find out if anybody had ever run across trout who seemed to have really soft mouths like a Silver does.  This particular lake was just rehabilitated last year so this is a different gene pool of trout and it is possible that this is a genetic characteristic of the trout that were planted in the lake. Anyway, it really doesn’t matter much.  I had a great time and the one fish I did land was the largest of the year so I have nothing to complain about. Mike

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I don’t want to start a rod fight but I’ve seen fishermen of various experience levels have problems with Sage RPL+ and other very fast rods. As I understand it the SP+ is even faster. I watched a fishing friend last year on the Madison above Quake Lake lose fish after fish with a brand new RPL+. I gave him my Loomis GL-3 and he started landing fish. I admit last month I would have given my left something for the RPL+ on Gray Reef with the wind howeling in my face and the Loomis just wasn’t enough gun to reach fish that under normal circumstances would have been easy to cast to. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a really strange occurance happen to me this weekend.   I was fishing one of my favorite lakes from a raft (tore up the ligaments in my left knee so no float tube for me this Summer!) with my Sage SP+.  The fishing was really good and I hooked into about 18 fish.  Of these 18, 4 got off via jumping and tossing the barbless fly, 1 actually made it to the boat and the rest of them had the fly pull out of their mouths during the fight. My hooks were sharp and I didn’t feel like I was doing anything different then normal.  The only thing I can think of is the combination of the odd angle I had to sit in the raft combined with using my 9 foot SP+ (The wrong rod choice for this situation in hind sight.  Should have used my softer DS II.) I did speak to another angler who reported that his fishing party was having the same problems.   I know fish will develop soft mouths when the water gets really warm but this is a high mountain lake and the water was still quite cool.  Any other ideas? Mike

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I don’t know if this applies to your situation, but I’ve found that if you apply direct pressure when a fish is facing you, pullouts are much more likely.  I apply pressure to the side when a fish is facing me and try to get it turned and fighting away from me. This is especially true in streams and rivers where you want the fish fighting the current instead of using it to their advantage. Willi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a really strange occurance happen to me this weekend.   I was fishing one of my favorite lakes from a raft (tore up the ligaments in my left knee so no float tube for me this Summer!) with my Sage SP+.  The fishing was really good and I hooked into about 18 fish.  Of these 18, 4 got off via jumping and tossing the barbless fly, 1 actually made it to the boat and the rest of them had the fly pull out of their mouths during the fight. My hooks were sharp and I didn’t feel like I was doing anything different then normal.  The only thing I can think of is the combination of the odd angle I had to sit in the raft combined with using my 9 foot SP+ (The wrong rod choice for this situation in hind sight.  Should have used my softer DS II.)  I did speak to another angler who reported that his fishing party was having the same problems.   I know fish will develop soft mouths when the water gets really warm but this is a high mountain lake and the water was still quite cool.  Any other ideas? Mike

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I had a really strange occurance happen to me this weekend.   I was fishing one of my favorite lakes from a raft (tore up the ligaments in my left knee so no float tube for me this Summer!) with my Sage SP+.  The fishing was really good and I hooked into about 18 fish.  Of these 18, 4 got off via jumping and tossing the barbless fly, 1 actually made it to the boat and the rest of them had the fly pull out of their mouths during the fight.   My hooks were sharp and I didn’t feel like I was doing anything different then normal.  The only thing I can think of is the combination of the odd angle I had to sit in the raft combined with using my 9 foot SP+ (The wrong rod choice for this situation in hind sight.  Should have used my softer DS II.)  I did speak to another angler who reported that his fishing party was having the same problems.   I know fish will develop soft mouths when the water gets really warm but this is a high mountain lake and the water was still quite cool.  Any other ideas? Mike

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If you have got this far, then I guess my subject line did the trick… Anyways, a brief story.  I had my vehicle broken into a little while ago.  After this I went to my insurance agent to get a contents package for my house (I share with others).  In doing so my great concerns were my library and my flytying cabinet!! So the point of this post hopefully is now evident.  Can you imagine going to you insurance agent and telling them that you just had $10,000 worth of feathers and fishing gear stolen, burned etc!!! Exactly, I’d believe you, but how many agents are FFers?? The solution I worked out with my agent was to make alist of everything and photograph it.  This is in my file at their office should anything happen.  In my case its covered under the general contents, however depending on your company it may have to be added as a rider.. Something to look into.. ATB Ian

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Ian I am a fly fishing nut and an insurance agent.  you sure are right about how much we collect over the years.  I would recommend not only taking pictures, but video tape if you can.  Keep the tape/pictures off site (in case of a fire/theft).  What ins. company would believe I have 6 jungle cock necks worth over $100 each (especillay if i smuggled them in from canada!).  I also recommend keeping a "receipt file" where most purchase receipts are keep in a manilla folder by year.  Then keep then in in a steel file cabinet.  save your master card receipts too. The most happy people with insurance claims are the ones who took a few minutes to document proof of ownership before any claim occurred.  Also, I would recommend buying "replacement cost coverage" for your policy.  It is usally just 10% more of the premium and is well worth it.  I say take my wife but don’t dare take my flyfishing equipment!  Any way, document as

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Well, here’s a good reason to boycott N.A.F.C.: They just sent me a book I didn’t order. I am supposed to keep it and Pay $7.00, or send it back. They provide a label to apply for return postage, but still, its a nuisance to have to return the thing. And I definately don’t want it.      Along with the book I sent back my request that they terminate my membership immediately. This sort of marketing, if not illegal, is certainly unethical. Dale Owens

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –       I just received in the mail an application to the North American Fishing Club.  I’m not sure if I have heard of it before and was wondering if anyone can give me any information on it.  Thanks. Basically, it’s a way of flogging a magazine. not much more. I get 2 or three of their mailings each year, and recycle immediately. One thing I save – that foil sticker! Put it on a favourite flybox and you’ll never leave it behind on a rock. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

I received (UN-solicited) a copy of NAFC magazine and was disgusted!!! I contained 1 minor reference to conservation of any sort.  And was filled with pages of smiling anglers from around North America, happily displaying their dead fish.  Not one LIVE release.  A true demonstration of "CONSERVATION THROUGH INCOMPETENCE" I will not support any publication or organization that does not take a responsible view toward fish stocks, and/or the environment. I am not a radical, "tree hugger", "sliver slut" or the like, but I am a responsible fly fisherman.  And as such believe in Catch and Release. The Californian ocean stocks, and the Atlantic Cod Stocks should have shown us something !  When they’re gone, they’re gone. NAFC publishes all the tried and true ways of catching fish, with a few "new" wrinkles.  But they should not promote the constant slaughter of fish just for their own profit. (thats my two cents worth)

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$ .02  Good on ya !

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FRY,TRAIL,BC,) says:       I just received in the mail an application to the North American Fishing Club.  I’m not sure if I have heard of it before and was wondering if anyone can give me any information on it.  Thanks. Basically, it’s a way of flogging a magazine. not much more. I get 2 or three of their mailings each year, and recycle immediately. One thing I save – that foil sticker! Put it on a favourite flybox and you’ll never leave it behind on a rock. —

A guy I work with just offered me the membership that the North American Fishing Club sent to his rabbit!  (Honest!  "This came in under my rabbit’s name."….goes the note…) What a mailing list! Tim

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A boycott can be a VERY powerful tool…if used properly…however, lately I have noticed that any time someone sees something that THEY think MIGHT be unethical/immoral/not right/etc., they start screaming "boycott"… I’ll be honest with you, I know nothing about the North American Fish Club, and there may be a VERY good cause to boycott them…but just because the issue you happened to see had too many catch-and-keep pictures?  C’mon… Perhaps a better strategy would be to write them and ask them their policy on C&R and if it’s not to your liking, inform them that you disapprove… if you then feel strongly about it, check around and see if others agree with you…THEN, scream "boycott" from the mountaintops…and give your (well- researched) finding…given thorough information, perhaps more people will agree with your "boycott" suggestion… Fish on!, *Simple name, simple tagline…                                     * *("If at first you don’t succeed, face it…                        * *             …you might just be stupid.")                        *

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says:       I just received in the mail an application to the North American Fishing Club.  I’m not sure if I have heard of it before and was wondering if anyone can give me any information on it.  Thanks.

I am a current member of the NAFC, but not for long.  It is just like all fishing magazines: get a one year subscription, save the magazines, and pretty much read them for the rest of your life.  Not much new. Yesterday I received a mailing from the same people to join the Handyman of America Club, or some such crap.  Right in the trash. John Richardson

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says:       I just received in the mail an application to the North American Fishing Club.  I’m not sure if I have heard of it before and was wondering if anyone can give me any information on it.  Thanks.

I canceled my subscription to NAFC.  It’s ok, but not great.  I took the money and doubled my contribution to TU.  At least there my $ goes to do some good for cold water fishing, and the magazine from them isn’t too bad either.  NAFC is not for me, but save the boycott for an important issue. Don’t boycott every company you don’t want to buy from, and don’t cry wolf at every corner.  People are becoming too de-sensatized as it is.  (my 0.02) . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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A boycott can be a VERY powerful tool…if used properly…however, lately I have noticed that any time someone sees something that THEY think MIGHT be unethical/immoral/not right/etc., they start screaming "boycott"… … Perhaps a better strategy would be to write them and ask them their policy on C&R and if it’s not to your liking, inform them that you disapprove… if you then feel strongly about it, check around and see if others agree with you…THEN, scream "boycott" from the mountaintops…and give your (well- researched) finding…given thorough information, perhaps more people will agree with your "boycott" suggestion…

I agree with JC 100% on this one.  An important issue here is that usually on the internet we only get to hear one side of the story.  A couple of years ago there was a heated debate about this issue in a local "general" newsgroup.  Someone posted a boycott suggestion after he got what he felt was poor service from an audio/video repair shop.  The person posted very littles about the details of the repair but didn’t hold back in claiming that the proprietor was technically incompetent, unbusiness-like and even went as far as to question the proprietors morals and sanity.  Meanwhile the proprietor was totally unaware that this information was being posted to a newsgroup read by thousands of potential customers.  What that poster didn’t count on was the fact that I lived across the street from this shop and had spent hours in there "talking shop" about audio equipment, music, and home computing.  More importantly, I saw his business practices first hand, and albeit being a little gruff at times, he always seemed fair, honest, and very technically competant (he’s been in the business for 17 years).  I showed him a copy of what was being said about him on the internet and within an hour or two he acquired an internet account from a local provider and I showed him how to post a response to the group.  This was a fairly rare case where the business bearing the brundt of someones accusations had a chance to respond.  So before crying "boycott" and making some accusations, take a breath and try to look at both sides of the issue.  If you *do* decide to post, make sure that you give us enough facts to determine that you’re not just a disgruntled customer with a vendetta. Sorry, this isn’t really fishing related but I’m going to followup with an article this *is*. — John Fereira   "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA Viacom Cable Division

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I’m trying to figure out where to go fishing in Washington this weekend.  I have never tried Coldwater Lake by Mt. St. Helens.  I read something a few weeks ago that said fishing was getting better.   Anyone have any recent experience there?  I will be using my float tube if it is legal there. TIA

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kratz / Mike Bosko) writes: I’m trying to figure out where to go fishing in Washington this weekend. I have never tried Coldwater Lake by Mt. St. Helens.  I read something a few weeks ago that said fishing was getting better.   Anyone have any recent experience there?  I will be using my float tube if it is legal there. TIA

Though the fishing at Coldwater was great, right after it opened up, the lake is still not highly fertile.  After the initial good results, it tailed off quickly, to where it is now another mediocre high lake. Sadly, catch and release does not equal no kill.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A boycott can be a VERY powerful tool…if used properly…however, lately I have noticed that any time someone sees something that THEY think MIGHT be unethical/immoral/not right/etc., they start screaming "boycott"… I’ll be honest with you, I know nothing about the North American Fish Club, and there may be a VERY good cause to boycott them…but just because the issue you happened to see had too many catch-and-keep pictures?  C’mon… Perhaps a better strategy would be to write them and ask them their policy on C&R and if it’s not to your liking, inform them that you disapprove… if you then feel strongly about it, check around and see if others agree with you…THEN, scream "boycott" from the mountaintops…and give your (well- researched) finding…given thorough information, perhaps more people will agree with your "boycott" suggestion… Fish on!, *Simple name, simple tagline…                                     * *("If at first you don’t succeed, face it…                        * *             …you might just be stupid.")                        *

Boy are you right JC.  Boycott furs, ’cause I don’t feel it’s right to wear them.  Boycott Winchester, ’cause I think the lever action is an unfair advantage.  Geez, pretty soon we’ll all be standing around naked and hungry because someone doesn’t like someone else’s ideas.  Seems a little foolish to me. North American Fishing Club has NEVER attempted to be a flyfishing organization nor has it portrayed itself as such.  It is an organization of fisherman from ALL types of fishing, much as the NRA is an organization for gun enthusiasts/hunters from all types of hunting.  Keep in mind that not all fisherman beleive in C&R fishing.  While I agree this is a shame (I personally use selective harvest advocted by the In-Fisherman) but I am not about to advocate boycotting fishing because not everyone agrees with me. For some reason that seems to be the attitude of many flyfisherpersons I meet, if you don’t agree with them you MUST separate yourself from them and make an example of them.  That attitude is silly, and selfish. I fish with a number of people with whom I have disagreements about fishing, but I still enjoy fishing with them even though our personal definitions of what fishing *is* differs 180 degrees. I haven’t quite figured out how this FF attitute thing works, and I hope to GOD I never get it.  Perhaps it’s just my imagination but there seems to be a number of FF’s who look down their nose at other forms of fishing. While I prefer FFing I hold nothing against the bait/artificial fisherman.  And just because a guy decides to keep a few fish does not make him a Simon Lagree, it just makes him someone who enjoys an occasional meal of fresh fish.  

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Although I’ve yet to actually BUY and use fly gear, I’m extremely interested in it…Still, I think I see the fundamental "problem" with the mentality of many FFers and some good reasons for this "problem"… Most of the fish that FFers fish for happen to be the same fish that are most benefitted by C&R…so it’s just an inherent part of FFing…but it occasionally is "forced" onto every person who owns a fishing pole… while C&R is essential/necessary/at least a "good" thing, it is not necessarily the ONLY choice… For example, catching and KEEPING a limit of crappie is ENCOURAGED in MANY public (state and county) waters in my area of Missouri…as well as other panfish…also, in my hometown (read:  backsticks Missouri), there are literally HUNDREDS of private ponds/lakes that are FULL of bass/catfish/etc… if these waters were fished catch & KEEP for the next thousand years, they will STILL be FULL of fish…you simply can not eliminate all of the fish from a body of water in a situation like this by C&K fishing even every day… My point (buried somewhere in the early morning post) is that there is a definite need for C&R fishing…but that C&K is not inherently evil… and that the "morality" of fishermen should not be evaluated simply on whether they are exclusively C&R or C&K… FYI, so you know where I stand…I obey ALL length/creel limit laws…and I C&R all fish that I do not intend to eat…however, I do keep most crappie that I catch, most of the legal largemouth bass that are in the 1 to 4 pound range (that’s not necessarily a C&K mentality based on the spawning capabilities of larger fish, it’s just that they’re not as tasty when they’re large), and many other species…limited to the amount that I and my family will eat…Is this an "unethical" way to fish? Fish on!, JC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Boy are you right JC.  Boycott furs, ’cause I don’t feel it’s right to wear them.  Boycott Winchester, ’cause I think the lever action is an unfair advantage.  Geez, pretty soon we’ll all be standing around naked and hungry because someone doesn’t like someone else’s ideas.  Seems a little foolish to me. North American Fishing Club has NEVER attempted to be a flyfishing organization nor has it portrayed itself as such.  It is an organization of fisherman from ALL types of fishing, much as the NRA is an organization for gun enthusiasts/hunters from all types of hunting.  Keep in mind that not all fisherman beleive in C&R fishing.  While I agree this is a shame (I personally use selective harvest advocted by the In-Fisherman) but I am not about to advocate boycotting fishing because not everyone agrees with me. For some reason that seems to be the attitude of many flyfisherpersons I meet, if you don’t agree with them you MUST separate yourself from them and make an example of them.  That attitude is silly, and selfish. I fish with a number of people with whom I have disagreements about fishing, but I still enjoy fishing with them even though our personal definitions of what fishing *is* differs 180 degrees. I haven’t quite figured out how this FF attitute thing works, and I hope to GOD I never get it.  Perhaps it’s just my imagination but there seems to be a number of FF’s who look down their nose at other forms of fishing. While I prefer FFing I hold nothing against the bait/artificial fisherman.  And just because a guy decides to keep a few fish does not make him a Simon Lagree, it just makes him someone who enjoys an occasional meal of fresh fish.

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   I just received in the mail an application to the North American Fishing Club.  I’m not sure if I have heard of it before and was wondering if anyone can give me any information on it.  Thanks.

Basically, it’s a way of flogging a magazine. not much more. I get 2 or three of their mailings each year, and recycle immediately. One thing I save – that foil sticker! Put it on a favourite flybox and you’ll never leave it behind on a rock. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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