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So you’re saying their marketing guys times their product release just right???  ;-)  Impressive. On a more serious note, are the Simms Guide weights worth the money?  I’ve been using a pair of Reddingtons and a pair of (yeah, I know, gasp!) Orvis green mountain breathables for the past couple of years (both are essentially the same but the Reddingtons seem to be put together a little better).  Both have held up to a lot of hard fishing but they are both dying at the same time (I actually alternate use on a trip by trip basis).  How resistant are they to brambles and the occasional pricker bush?  My 2 pair are covered with shiny gobs of Sun Seal goo.  Actually that’s my only complaint considering they only cost $99 apiece. —

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| | cabelas | | OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. | | | Elitist. | | Here’s what really pisses me off. | | This year my Simms Guide Weight waders gave up the ghost. I’m not | complaining about that — they had three years of extremely hard use. | The main problem was that the neoprene feet blew out. Too much hiking, I | guess. | | So, I sent them back to Simms to be repaired, and in the meantime, so | I’d have waders to use, I bought another pair. Now I have a nearly new | pair and a reconditioned pair that are nearly as good as new. | | I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally | redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — | built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer! Arrrrggghhh! |

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So you’re saying their marketing guys times their product release just right???  ;-)  Impressive.

Yep. They’re waiting for me to make my move.

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What bugs me about the waders is that I now have about four of five years worth of waders, which I definitely WILL use, but the model I really want has just come out. It’s not like I’m going to run out and buy a new pair.

steve, when you see, touch, and wear a pair, my bet is you will. the new simms G3 waders are worth every penny ….. all 42,250 of em…. every dang cent. any one who is foolish enough to argue with that statement, well, he’s a fool and has blue balls to boot. the best wader on the planet, by far, hands down, is just a few weeks away… i pity the poor bastards wearing cab…., hodg…., orv…, redd……. and such…. whilst i’m fresh and warm as a muffin fresh out of the toaster, yer freezin yer jewels off… poor bastards. get real, get smart, buy simms. i ain’t cuttin’ no slack on this issue nor am i trying to drum up business…. experience. any one who believes otherwise, is daft, a communist, and can’t fish worth a fiddlers fuk, imho. Tight Lines, and MERRY CHRISTMAS all….. ;^) –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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<snipped ezflyfish spam <G Tight Lines, and MERRY CHRISTMAS all….. ;^)

Oh, SURE. Throw THAT in at the end! — TL, Tim Same to you, BTW.

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  steve, when you see, touch, and wear a pair, my bet is you will. the new simms G3 waders are worth every penny ….. all 42,250 of em…. every dang cent. any one who is foolish enough to argue with that statement, well, he’s a fool and has blue balls to boot.

No way. I’m all wadered up for years to come. Fuck the built-in gravel guards, the belt loops, AND the frigging hand warmer.

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Isn’t this reason enough to stay w/ the 101? Unless you want the newst-baddest toys, that is. In spite of all the bells & whistles on the newer models, my SRT’s are still giving me fine photos. And "upgrading" a collection of lenses from 24mm – 1250mm just to stay current w/ the newer bodies would cost a small fortune. And I’m reasonably sure I wouldn’t be actually shooting any better.

I have to say I’m shooting much better now.  It’s so much nicer to be able to: 1)   change ASA without losing film, 2)  Check a picture and see if it needs to be reshot. 3)  set the white balance without needing extra filters. 4)  Have an auto exposure that works right 99% of the time. 5)  Have a motor drive. 6)  Not have to wait for a processing lab. 7)  Have a 28-200 zoom that’s beautiful throughout it’s range. Though there are adapters for the old lenses, they don’t provide the new features to those lenses. The only disadvantage is that slides are tough and expensive to make. Chas

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No way. I’m all wadered up for years to come. Fuck the built-in gravel guards, the belt loops, AND the frigging hand warmer.

i’m also wadered up steve…. *but*, a man has to field test new product, donchaknow. i’ve only worn a sample in the store as of now. it was very comfortable and i liked the way simms designed the legs…. they seem to be "fitted". in all honesty, the guide pant model will probably still be my wader of choice. the chicks dig ‘em. stay warm, –walt…… ps, you forgot to mention the built in Flip-out Tippet Tender Pocket, including a built-in retractor <g

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And you’re complaining about people buying *other* people presents for Christmas ! You missed the point, Greg. I must not have made myself clear. What I object to about Christmas presents is that so many of gifts are actually unwanted and unused. It’s the wastefulness that bothers me.  I understood you and was half-joking.  I agree with you re  Christmas presents & I get completely turned off every time  I wander out to a store at this time of the year.  At the same  time, I know that I have more than I need of various things.  When I really think about it, I don’t see much difference  between buying something that is "useless" as opposed to  buying something that I might actually use but I could easily  do without because I already own enough to do the same  thing without yet another one.

When you send your only pair of waders back to Simms for repair in the middle of the fishing season, expecting them to return in no less than several weeks, you NEED another pair. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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 I have a portfolio of excuses along similar lines  (well, if the backup to the backup breaks, I need  another one to cover it…), tho I have to admit  that yours sounds a bit more compellling  :-)

There are only so many things to do in Stanley when you aren’t gainfully employed, Greg. During fishing season, it’s fishing. During hunting season, it’s hunting. During skiing season, it’s skiing. Of course, there’s also drinking and carousing, but that takes place mostly in the evenings. I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary.

have you used the studs yet steve? if so, how do they grip? i’ve resisted installing the studs until PA, where they will be needed on those dastardly rocks. what i like about them is, well, they live up to their name… lightweight. wally, never met a unnecessary ff item <g

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I must confess, however, to buying a new pair of Simms lightweight boots (with removeable studs) when I bought my new waders — one of the best purchases I’ve ever made, even though, strictly speaking, they were unnecessary. have you used the studs yet steve? if so, how do they grip?

Yes, I have. And yes, they do, but not as well as carbide studs. I removed them at the HF Clave so I wouldn’t mess up John Hightower’s beautiful self-made wooden drift boat. I’m hoping I can find them again. — 2003 ROFF calendar: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ROFF/calendar/2003/start.html

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– I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on which is better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have been to my local camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price range? Keith

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames. Personally I’ve been a Nikon guy for the last 20 years.  I upgraded from an FM to a N90s a few years ago.  Nikon recently end-of-life’d the N90 line but I’d recommend it over the N80.  The construction is metal vs plastic in the N80 and it has a few more bells and whistles (i.e. higher flash sync speeds).  But the N80 is still a great camera at the high end of the non-pro ranks.  Since it is not produced any longer you may be able to find one that has been marked down.  Nikon is still servicing them and the warrantee is pretty good. Check out www.bhphotvideo.com  - great mail order place with a great reputation.  I buy most of my stuff from them.  If you live in the area or find yourself in NYC check out their store on 9th and 34th.  It’s huge and stocked with helpful sales people (FYI – they close Friday at 1 PM and reopen on Sunday). —

| | | — | | I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on | which is | better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo | 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup | for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have | been to my local | camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. | Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price | range? | | Keith | | |

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Sorry, fingers slipped – the group is rec.photo.equipment.35mm —

| | | — | | I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on | which is | better?  I am not trying to stir anything up..  I have posted to rec.photo | 35mm but the newsgroup is not very active.  I have followed this newsgroup | for a long time and know that many here are avid photographers here.  I have | been to my local | camera shop to look at the Nikon and ended up looking at the Canon as well. | Both seem to be nice AF cameras.  Any other recommendations in this price | range? | | Keith | | |

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames.

What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway?

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The group you want to query is rec.photo.equ9ipment.35mm.  BUT, (and I mean BUT) before you post this question to that group go to Google and do a search for the N80 and E7.  This topic has been discussed in detail so posting the question will probably get a few posts that resemble flames. What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway?

cabelas no no 4 yes and no see above definitely camaraderie backatcha, big fella — TL, Tim

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What are the best breathable waders for the money? Does anyone have an opinion about the Cabela’s Three Forks 3wt? Is fluorocarbon worth it? What weight rod should I get? Is bobber fishing unethical? How about C&R? Do Eastern Claves have more camraderie than Western Claves? What is a Clave, anyway? cabelas

OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. no

Wrong. I do. So do quite a number of others. no

OK 4

5 yes and no

yes see above

see above definitely

Are you speaking from personal experience, or hearsay? camaraderie

OK

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— I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.   Any comments on which is better?

"Better" is perhaps in beholder’s eye. Both brands are of high repute; perhaps using criteria based on the sorts of potography you’ll do most would aid in selecting. Any quality 35mm SLR will give many years of service if treated well. (Happens I have 2 Minoltas which are 20+ years & going strong.) I don’t think you’d be disappointed in either the Nikon or the Canon. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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I am looking at purchasing a Nikon N80 or a Canon Elan E7.  

…snip… I’d consider what you’ll want when you go digital.  The lenses are interchangable on Nikon from their old stuff to the newest. I just bought a Nikon D100 digital, and I’m delighted with it.  My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine.   Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas, there was no reason to stay with Minolta. Chas

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 My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas, there was no reason to stay with Minolta. Chas

Isn’t this reason enough to stay w/ the 101? Unless you want the newst-baddest toys, that is. In spite of all the bells & whistles on the newer models, my SRT’s are still giving me fine photos. And "upgrading" a collection of lenses from 24mm – 1250mm just to stay current w/ the newer bodies would cost a small fortune. And I’m reasonably sure I wouldn’t be actually shooting any better. Pete — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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  My old camera is a Minolta SRT201 that’s nearly 30 years old and still works fine. Since my old lenses are worthless on the newer Minoltas,

An afterthought: there are adapters for some of the Rokkor lenses to allow them to be used on some Maxxum bodies. Pete — Anything is possible but not everything is easy.   B. Gray

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cabelas OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know.

Elitist. definitely Are you speaking from personal experience, or hearsay?

hearsay, absolutely camaraderie OK

YEA! I got one right! — TL, Tim and just in case,  :)  :)  and especially, ;-^)

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cabelas OK. I’ve only used Patagonia and Simms, so I wouldn’t know. Elitist.

Here’s what really pisses me off. This year my Simms Guide Weight waders gave up the ghost. I’m not complaining about that — they had three years of extremely hard use. The main problem was that the neoprene feet blew out. Too much hiking, I guess. So, I sent them back to Simms to be repaired, and in the meantime, so I’d have waders to use, I bought another pair. Now I have a nearly new pair and a reconditioned pair that are nearly as good as new. I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer! Arrrrggghhh!

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I figured I was all set, but then Simms came out with a totally redesigned model with the features I’ve been begging them for — built-in gravel guards, belt loops, and even a hand warmer!

Arrrrggghhh! If it will help, you can send a pair or two to me. Just trying to be helpful. . . — TL, Tim

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 And you’re complaining about people buying *other* people  presents for Christmas !

You missed the point, Greg. I must not have made myself clear. What I object to about Christmas presents is that so many of gifts are actually unwanted and unused. It’s the wastefulness that bothers me. What bugs me about the waders is that I now have about four of five years worth of waders, which I definitely WILL use, but the model I really want has just come out. It’s not like I’m going to run out and buy a new pair.

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there’s a chance some smaller schoolie stripers will still be in the river. Shad will most likely be gone, but the smallmouth action should be fantastic. Oh yeah, when Rick and I got to the dock on Sunday afternoon " Dock Lady " ( you have to meet her in person, words can’t really adequetly describe her ) … Is she the one who is in the last Sage catalog ?

Haven’t seen the latest Sage catalog but I can guarantee that’s not her.

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Fishing out of Fletchers Sunday and Monday: lots of BIG hickory shad, caught on the outgoing tide-using Teeny 250 or 300 lines, 6′ hunk of 12lb test Maxima for a leader ( God bless Maxima but I hate those fucking archaic spools theyl put the stuff on ) casting slightly upstream and usually getting a hit on the start of the swing. Flies on the small side-size 6 to 8 clousers with short tails-white with gold flash and chartruese with gold flash . I was getting alot of misses till I chopped off the tails to within about 3/8" of the hook bend , after that it was Heaven.Last cast of the day Monday I hooked an American shad, about 3 or 4 times the size and heft of the hickories. Last couple years the Americans were running about as big as that species can get, up to 30"s. This one took me into my backing about 50-75′. It took a long damn time to wind all that line in after it threw the hook that’s for sure. The Americans should be starting to come on strong now, the water’s warming up and clearing. They like the stretch of water just up from Fletchers dock area, on a rising tide and then right up till slack tide. They come there to spawn. Most of the hickory action’s been on the falling tides. The female stripers are running up to 40lbs. and the cut herring/bottom fishing guys have been hauling in a bunch. I keep trying for them but all I do is lose expensive flies in the rocks. Would it be that terrible to soak a fly or two in a bucket of herring chum and then run my leader through a slip sinker and just sorta drop it over the side of the boat while I eat lunch or something ? I’ll have to sleep on that. Anyway the male stripers are expected by the end of the week and they’ll be possible to catch using ethical methods The river should be low enough for safe wading by the end of the week too if the levels keep dropping at a steady clip. Oh yeah, when my Rick and I got to the dock on Sunday afternoon " Dock Lady " ( you have to meet her in person, words can’t really adequetly describe her ) told us everyone coming off the river was pissed at us because we two flyrodders were taking shad right and left all day and they, the spinning guys were only hitting them off and on and "they said you two bastards must be doing something illegal ". Even allowing for "Dock Ladys" habit of slight exageration it still was good to hear. It’s usually the other way around. cheers, Bob nursing a painfully pleasant case of "shad elbow"

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Hello East Coasters, We are catching Stripers in the Sacramento, Feather and American Rivers now too as our big spring spawning run has started (April/May/June). This is south(downstream) and north(upstream) of Sacramento. The main runs will go all the way upstream (north) to Colusa and above on the Sacramento River. We fish them wading and from boats. Some of our friends caught some Stripers on flies yesterday and today. The American Shad are just behind the Stripers and will be thick in a few weeks. PS: Thanks for bringing those Stripers and Shad over here to the west coast in 1877. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, California, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fishing out of Fletchers Sunday and Monday: lots of BIG hickory shad, caught on the outgoing tide-using Teeny 250 or 300 lines, 6′ hunk of 12lb test Maxima for a leader ( God bless Maxima but I hate those fucking archaic spools theyl put the stuff on ) casting slightly upstream and usually getting a hit on the start of the swing. Flies on the small side-size 6 to 8 clousers with short tails-white with gold flash and chartruese with gold flash . I was getting alot of misses till I chopped off the tails to within about 3/8" of the hook bend , after that it was Heaven.Last cast of the day Monday I hooked an American shad, about 3 or 4 times the size and heft of the hickories. Last couple years the Americans were running about as big as that species can get, up to 30"s. This one took me into my backing about 50-75′. It took a long damn time to wind all that line in after it threw the hook that’s for sure. The Americans should be starting to come on strong now, the water’s warming up and clearing. They like the stretch of water just up from Fletchers dock area, on a rising tide and then right up till slack tide. They come there to spawn. Most of the hickory action’s been on the falling tides. The female stripers are running up to 40lbs. and the cut herring/bottom fishing guys have been hauling in a bunch. I keep trying for them but all I do is lose expensive flies in the rocks. Would it be that terrible to soak a fly or two in a bucket of herring chum and then run my leader through a slip sinker and just sorta drop it over the side of the boat while I eat lunch or something ? I’ll have to sleep on that. Anyway the male stripers are expected by the end of the week and they’ll be possible to catch using ethical methods The river should be low enough for safe wading by the end of the week too if the levels keep dropping at a steady clip. Oh yeah, when my Rick and I got to the dock on Sunday afternoon " Dock Lady " ( you have to meet her in person, words can’t really adequetly describe her ) told us everyone coming off the river was pissed at us because we two flyrodders were taking shad right and left all day and they, the spinning guys were only hitting them off and on and "they said you two bastards must be doing something illegal ". Even allowing for "Dock Ladys" habit of slight exageration it still was good to hear. It’s usually the other way around. cheers, Bob nursing a painfully pleasant case of "shad elbow"

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http://www.infoarchitects.com/products.htm this address contains a demo of a shareware program called easy shop * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Sometime back I d/l a shareware version of a program called Shop Layout, at least that is what I think it was called <g. But, alas, my system has since crashed and now that I have purchased my new TS and some other pieces, I thought I would layout how I want my shop set up. This software allowed me to give the footprint of most any equipment, benches etc and move them around so as to get the best fit. Anybody know of something similar, or better yet, the web address to get the same program? Mark (as in fishing) Beautiful Oregon…

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First, thanks for all of the replies I received. Tonight I found at least one of the problems and heat makes it worse, not better.  The MCT finish I’ve been used is much less viscous than regular epoxies so it will run easily.  My first and second coats are great, smooth and even.  I should stop there but the third coat always ends up clumping up at either end of the wrap and thin in the middle, giving the wrap a dumbell look, not the the "bubble" look of a factory finish.  I now know why. Where the foot of the guide is ground down, a ramp is formed.  On the first and second coats, the epoxy grips the threads and everything is fine.  On the third coat, the wraps are now covered and epoxy has nothing to grip.  Consequently it runs down the ramp created by the ground down portion of the guide foot.  When the rod is turning and the guide is up, the epoxy runs away from the guide.  When the guide rotates down, it runs toward the guide – result, very little left in the middle.  I realized this when I noticed a blob of excess epoxy flow down the ramp as the rod turned. Who would have thunk it. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’ve noticed something interesting in the past year or so. The World Wide Web has matured in the following sense. It’s become the primary source for research on many topics, from the mndane to the obscure. It’s been clear for a few years that this would eventually happen, but now it has, and the WWW is just going to become more entrenched and comprehensive. Everyone with Internet access now has a first-class library in their home. In a year it will be a world-class library. In another year it may well be the only library. If you doubt this just go to www.google.com (the finest search engine on the Web) and type in a flyfishing knot. If you can’t find it, don’t complain — make a web site. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Peter try this if you want the bulbous look with MCT finish. This method applies equally to first or later coats.  I always put on two coats at a time.  Put a very thin layer of the stuff, of even thickness over the guide wraps.  The only way to get an even coat like this is to use a very small amount of epoxy so that it forms a film around your wrap (otherwise any thicker amount of epoxy will flow and self level or worse, it may work its way to the edges and you’ll get the dumbell effect).  I coat the entire rod from butt to tip in one sitting with a very thin film of epoxy, just to get the wraps wet.  Since it is thin, and since this epoxy has an evaporative solvent, it begins to thicken faster than the epoxy mixture you have sitting in your mixing pot.  Once you’ve covered all the wraps, go back to the first one and apply a continuous bead of epoxy around the middle of each wrap. The first layer will be wet enough so that you get a smooth transition between this second application and the epoxy you applied several minutes earlier (basically it breaks the surface tension).  Applying a bead of epoxy like this over a completely dried, previous coat will cause the bead to have a "shoulder" and not be smooth (think water droplets on a piece of wax paper).  However, the undercoating by this time has become more  viscous than the second coating you have begun applying and so this second coating tends not to run all the way to the edges of the wrap.  Thus the undercoating is wet enough to break surface tension of the second coat but dried enough to keep the second coat from flowing too easily. The "ramp" that you mention, which is caused by the guide feet under the thread is of course even more pronounced with guide feet for conventional tackle.  Using the above technique, I could easily get the bulbous look on a musky casting rod I built last year.  It took about 5 coats however. For typical snake guides, it takes about 3 coats (well I guess that’s technically 6 coats, but the setup and wait time is not any longer than for three coats since I am always applying 2 coats at a time). MCT’s web site has been down for a while ( 1 week or so ).  I hope they are still in business.  Otherwise I’ll have to start buying Dale Clemen’s Crystal Cote (www.clemenstackle.com). Mu

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Peter try this if you want the bulbous look with MCT finish.

For further clarification, for that "continuous" bead of epoxy, it need not be applied with one continuous stroke of the brush.  "Continuous" just means that it is a connected ring of epoxy around the guide wrap.  Also, when applying the "bead", don’t let the brush touch the undercoat, just bring the tip of it close enough (2 – 3 mm) to the rod so that the epoxy flows off the brush and onto the rod.  A drying motor of less than 10 RPM is preferable for use with the thin finish.  Don’t worry if the excess epoxy flows to the underside of the wrpas as the rod is turning. If fact, that is what you want.  The "ramp" only exits on one side of the rod blank – if viewed down the shaft of the rod, the guide foot might subtend an angle of only a few degrees, the rest of the 360 degrees is just rod blank and the turning will minimize the flowing down the ramp. Mu

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter try this if you want the bulbous look with MCT finish. For further clarification, for that "continuous" bead of epoxy, it need not be applied with one continuous stroke of the brush.  "Continuous" just means that it is a connected ring of epoxy around the guide wrap.  Also, when applying the "bead", don’t let the brush touch the undercoat, just bring the tip of it close enough (2 – 3 mm) to the rod so that the epoxy flows off the brush and onto the rod.  A drying motor of less than 10 RPM is preferable for use with the thin finish.  Don’t worry if the excess epoxy flows to the underside of the wrpas as the rod is turning. If fact, that is what you want.  The "ramp" only exits on one side of the rod blank – if viewed down the shaft of the rod, the guide foot might subtend an angle of only a few degrees, the rest of the 360 degrees is just rod blank and the turning will minimize the flowing down the ramp. Mu

I was doing something along the lines of this and as the rod turned, I watched a bead of epoxy roll around onto the ramp of the foot then flow lengthwise toward the guide.  The reason for the dumbell then became apparent.  I’ve also tried the double application with so-so results on a different rod.  I’m going to give up on the factory bubble and be satisfied with a sealed wrap.  After two coats the rod look great, after three it looked like shit. Thanks for the explanation, but I know when I’m licked. Peter

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Hi Folks, after all the e-mails enquiring as to my reasons for ceasing to subscribe

Gentlemen and Ladies, I am moved by the loss of the best among us. I have filed Mike’s post in a place where I’ll be able to find it next time I feel like launching a salvo. Hope we can all do the same. sniff…..

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I have simply made a personal decision not to subscribe.

Good to see your byline again, Mike, even if for the last time.  best wishes….. Mark Faulkner

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Mike Connor wrote [final farewell snipped] Huge loss for ROFF.  I’ll miss your wit Mike.

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Mike Connor Honi soit qui mal y pense.

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Hi Folks, after all the e-mails enquiring as to my reasons for ceasing to subscribe to the news groups generally and ROFF specifically, and although I was of the opinion that I had made my reasons quite clear, here they are once again. The subject is now closed for me. I will not answer any further e-mails on this subject, it would serve no useful purpose. E-mails to the various websites or bulletin boards to which I contribute are also a waste of time, as I will not discuss the matter further. I would be most obliged if you would consider this, especially in the chat rooms where I am on line, nobody is interested in the matter, and it just wastes time and annoys people. I will also not join in discussions denigrating ROFF, or any of its contributors under any circumstances whatsoever. If you have a problem with somebody on ROFF then talk to them or take it to e-mail with the people concerned, I have no interest in the matter. I have no personal axe to grind as far as ROFF is concerned, I still think ROFF is basically  great actually, I have simply made a personal decision not to subscribe. The reasons are listed in order of importance, just in case anybody wants to know exactly, as it appears quite a few do. 1.  I cannot afford to pay for the downloading of large amounts of spam. This is purely  a financial criteria, and is by far the most important one. Without attempting to define spam, I mean anything which may generally be described as crap, be it multiple senseless posts, or direct commercial misuse of usenet. This simply costs me a lot of money which I do not have in amounts sufficient to waste on this nonsense. Before anybody else sends me tips for saving money on usenet, do me and yourself a favour, forget it. Most of the ideas are not practicable, and as I pay metered rates for on line time, sometimes not even possible. 2. I see no point in allowing myself to be insulted or provoked by people whose main interest in life seems to be annoying or upsetting  as many people as they can in the shortest possible time. Especially when it is just nasty and not even remotely amusing. This runs contrary to the spirit of the newsgroup, and continuing to pay out good money for this sort of thing would mean I would have to have a screw loose, this is fortunately not the case. 3. I am my own man, I do what I do, say what I say, and think what I think, I do not like it much when people attribute my words or actions to reasons they have dreamed up themselves, and attempt to prove their invariably faulty conclusions in print on a public forum. I am nobodies sycophant. I also resent it deeply when people make stupid or annoying or simply false statements based on posts I or others have made, where it is perfectly obvious that they have either not read the posts properly or are lacking the wherewithal to understand them. 4.  The informational and amusement content of the newsgroups seems to be deteriorating in direct proportion to the amount of ill mannered and ignorant persons subscribing to them. I would tend to avoid such people in private life, ( the "bar" analogy ), and see no reason why I should not follow this eminently sensible policy elsewhere also. 5.  There are too many people who want to control all sorts of things, up to and including what other people may or may not post. Usenet is in my opinion one of the last bastions of true free speech, to those who can not accept this, or attempt continually to misuse it, I can only say you are not ready for freedom of speech.  Freedom of speech allows you to say what you like when you like to whoever you like, like many great things it should be exercised with manners and self-control if it is not to degenerate into a senseless insulting free for all, even more so on a relatively  anoymous medium like usenet.  If some of the things said on here in the past were indeed said in a bar, then the people responsible would certainly be looking for a new set of teeth at the very least, and a good thing too. Unfortunately as I am unable to come into even remote striking distance of the aforementioned dental accoutrements, I find it better to remove myself from the sphere of influence, whether a bar or usenet is immaterial. 6.  I was indeed extremely angry at the amount of direct e-mail spam I received as a result of the ill considered efforts of one ROFF contributor in distributing my e-mail address to commercial spammers. I am prepared to accept that this was a mistake, the person concerned apologised profusely and sincerely,and I am no longer angry at him.  This was not my main reason for leaving the group, just an extra annoyance. 7. I was ever more dismayed at the number of trolls obviously designed to get a rise out of somebody or provoke a useless argument, which turned nasty fairly quickly, I see no point in this, and I imagine it is just some perverse form of entertainment, in which only perverts would indulge, especially in view of the anonymous nature of the whole thing. Purposely pissing off someone you dont even know for enjoyment strikes me as being perverse in the  extreme, and I prefer to keep my distance in such cases. 8. The comment from many  posters that anybody who posts in public forums should expect to be insulted and must develop a thick skin is in my opinion a symptom of their own perversity and lack of manners. I expect to be treated at least with good manners. When this is not the case I have several options usually. In this particular case, retiring from the field is probably the most sensible. 9.  I was of the opinion that groups such as ROFF provided a service and source of information on the subject at hand, and everything even remotely related to it. I attempted to subcribe in this spirit, as I assume most others also do.  This attempt met  with far more negative criticism and insulting responses than I would have hoped it might, and this was extremely disappointing. This also contributed to my decision to leave. I hope this clears up any wierd ideas, misconceptions, or even downright lies as to why I no longer subscribe, and that the subject is now definitely closed. I welcome personal and private e-mail on any and every subject under the sun, and I am happy to help anybody at all if it lies within my power, however as I already said on at least one other occasion, enquiries which start with the words "How do I start fly-fishing" or similar all embracing questions are beyond my power to answer in a couple of e-mails, and anybody who thinks he can become a good flyfisherman by studying a potted set of answers from one person, or even a group of people, or watching videos etc, ought to take up tennis, or bowling or something similar. The only way to become a good flyfisherman is to go and do it, read as much as you can, talk to as many flyfishers as you can, and try out what they say, advice on specific problems will always be available. One of the greatest attractions of flyfishing is the fact that however much you learn, and however good you become, there is always something new to learn, the possibilities and facets are infinite.  Flyfishing is not just a hobby like embroidering cushion covers, or weaving carpets, as a way of killing time, it is a philosophy, a religion, a way of life. It is hard work all the way, but absolutely fascinating, entrancing and enslaving. Thanks again for all your e-mails, I am surprised ( and of course pleased ! ) that my leaving a forum like this could generate such a furore which lasts such a long time. I obviously made a positive and pleasant impact on at least some of you, as indeed many of you did on myself. It is very pleasant to get such support and encouragement mostly from people I have never met , and probably never will, I met some lovely people on the groups, I enjoyed myself, and I learned an awful lot, but I will not return to any of the newsgroups, if only to prove some of the ignorant and insulting people  wrong who e-mailed me telling me what a pompous over educated ( If only they knew !!! )ass I am, and that I would doubtless return at some point. I would not like to give such people the satisfaction of being right, even if I got usenet access for free ! Tight lines ! Mike Connor Honi soit qui mal y pense.

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Help, please: Here’s the scenario.  I fish a river that contains a population of wild, anadromous (I think), brook trout.  Most of the fish are in the 8 to 13" size, and they are caught fairly easily on dries.  There’s another size class, about 14 to 18", that can be caught on large dries, muddlers, streamers, etc with fair regularity at dawn and dusk. But the deeper pools also hide another size class.  These fish seem to be in the 5 to 6 lb. class. I’ve only seen them a couple of times, following an 8 or 10" fish in on the end of my line.  One grabbed a trout my son was landing last year, about 6 feet from shore, and tore off line to the far end of the pool before making off with the smaller fish. So, they’re clearly piscivorous.  Never seen one rise for a fly.  I think I need a streamer pattern that represents about  a 6 or 8" brook trout.  Any ideas?  I’d also love to be able to cast it with a #6 rod, but hey, life involves compromises. Thanks in advance to the collective wisdom of the group. brent

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Help, please: Here’s the scenario.

(snip of description of paradise) Thanks in advance to the collective wisdom of the group. brent

        just tell me where you are, brent, and i will supply all the wisdom you will ever need.         you will be covered in streamers. wayno

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Help, please: Here’s the scenario.  I fish a river that contains a population of wild, anadromous (I think), brook trout.  

I’ve never heard of anadramous brook trout. Can this be so? — something bogus to avoid spam)

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<<So, they’re clearly piscivorous.  Never seen one rise for a fly.  I think I need a streamer pattern that represents about  a 6 or 8" brook trout.  Any ideas?  I’d also love to be able to cast it with a #6 rod, but hey, life involves compromises. Thanks in advance to the collective wisdom of the group. There are a number of streamers that imitate a little brook trout. I think the key is size and depth.  I would tie it in a #2 or #4, 4x to 6x long, and use a sink tip line to get it down.  I would also retrieve very quickly.  You could easily cast it with a 6 wt.  Won’t be pretty <G, but you can get out a good one. Now, if you were to meet me at this little fishing hole, I will supply the correct flies and tackle.  d;0) Dave LaCourse

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I’ve never heard of anadramous brook trout. Can this be so?

Sure can.  In New England they call them "Salters".  Some coastal streams have a fairly good run.  Also some browns. George Adams

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Several strains of brook trout are anadramous. — Nicholas J. Slodki http://trampled.net/Nikolai0/

: : Help, please: : : Here’s the scenario.  I fish a river that contains a population of wild, : anadromous (I think), brook trout. : :I’ve never heard of anadramous brook trout. Can this be so? : :– : :something bogus to avoid spam) :

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Help, please: Here’s the scenario. (snip of description of paradise) Thanks in advance to the collective wisdom of the group. brent         just tell me where you are, brent, and i will supply all the wisdom you will ever need.         you will be covered in streamers. wayno

Wayno: Its the Cains River.  Flows into the Main southwest Miramichi near Blackville, N.B. The stretch under discussion is roughly 15 km. long. Its a stretch of the Crown Angling Reserve Waters managed by NBDNRE. Its fly fishing only, hook and release, barbless.  Beautiful.  Moose, bear, deer, eagle, bobcat, etc.  I think there’s one occupied camp on the whole stretch; no bridges.  Its $10 canadian per day, limit of 6 rods per day. The catch?  Available to NB Residents ONLY.   (On the other hand, the other hundred or so Km. of the Cains is open to fly fishing by non-residents accompanied by a resident guide.) Sorry.  I guess I can’t expect that coat of many streamers, can I? Any chance of a pattern suggestion anyway?  You could fish it vicariously through me. brent

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Help, please: Here’s the scenario. (snip of description of paradise) Thanks in advance to the collective wisdom of the group. brent         just tell me where you are, brent, and i will supply all the wisdom you will ever need.         you will be covered in streamers. wayno

hook. Mr. G. drift* —

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I do alot  of backpacking in NM. As in most of my trips I try to hit a lake, any lake small, big, it does not matter. Every time I go I see fish that are worth catching! I’m looking for gear that  is lite, compactable and tha does no take up room. Any ideas?

Drew,  3-6pc flyrods are a hot market….Scott, Sage, Winston..etc. I’ve probably left out a half-dozen brands… Nice rods out there…that CAN be packed small.       have fun, steve d.      

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 I do alot  of backpacking in NM. As in most of my trips I try to hit a lake, any lake small, big, it does not matter. Every time I go I see fish that are worth catching! I’m looking for gear that  is lite, compactable and tha does no take up room. Any ideas?

I just disassemble (2 pieces) my 5-foot Daiwa lightweight (8-10 lb test) rod, remove the reel (my favorite lucky Shimano Maglight baitcaster), stuff the 2 rod lengths in my tentpole bag, stored in a vertical pouch on the side of my Camp Trails Wilderness frame pack.  The reel goes in the pack along with a small Plano lurebox.  The pole lengths are about 8-10 inches longer than the tentpoles so they extend that much above the pack, though they’re protected along the back frame and behind whatever rolled gear (tent, bag, pad) is packed on top of the pack. Always ready to fish, Dave

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Try a four piece "Pack Rod", they are most popular for flyfishing.  You can pack them in a 2 foot tube and strap it to your pack frame.  A reel and a few flies dont weigh much and take up very little space. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I do alot  of backpacking in NM. As in most of my trips I try to hit a lake, any lake small, big, it does not matter. Every time I go I see fish that are worth catching! I’m looking for gear that  is lite, compactable and tha does no take up room. Any ideas? I do a lot of fishing from my kayak.  I have a collapsible telescoping pole…goes down to 14 inches long.  While i’d imagine this would break if i caught Walter (any fish over 4 LBS), i have landed a 2.5 LB German Brown. Has a spinning reel.  I also have two Plano plastic lure organizers.  One is for bass, while the other is for trout.  Though, i could easily compact them into one box if needed.  I keep everything in creel.  Though i could get along with the pole, reel, one lure box, and pliers.

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 I do alot  of backpacking in NM. As in most of my trips I try to hit a lake, any lake small, big, it does not matter. Every time I go I see fish that are worth catching! I’m looking for gear that  is lite, compactable and tha does no take up room. Any ideas?

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 I do alot  of backpacking in NM. As in most of my trips I try to hit a lake, any lake small, big, it does not matter. Every time I go I see fish that are worth catching! I’m looking for gear that  is lite, compactable and tha does no take up room. Any ideas?

I do a lot of fishing from my kayak.  I have a collapsible telescoping pole…goes down to 14 inches long.  While i’d imagine this would break if i caught Walter (any fish over 4 LBS), i have landed a 2.5 LB German Brown. Has a spinning reel.  I also have two Plano plastic lure organizers.  One is for bass, while the other is for trout.  Though, i could easily compact them into one box if needed.  I keep everything in creel.  Though i could get along with the pole, reel, one lure box, and pliers.

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Hi.  I’m fairly new to southern Erie County, NY.  I’ve heard that there is nice salmon fishing in Eighteen Mile Creek in the fall, and I’d like to prepare.  Is anyone out here familiar with this water?  I am interested in when, where, and how (with what).  I am fairly familiar with it from Lake Erie to the big fork.  Would really appreciate any advice or even a partner.  (have chests wades and a small 4wd)  Could do either fly/spin/livebait).  Thanks again for any help.                                         Michael Kankiewicz                                         Business / Government Documents                                         Lockwood Memorial Library                                         University at Buffalo

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Hi Mike, I take it you attend U.B since your sending this from the grad library . 18 mile is nit really a good chinook salmon tributary. actually the chinook salmon  population is fairly limited in all of lake erie. You will some coho salmon in 18 and other lake erie tributaries but most of all you will find steelhead. The primary tackle on 18 is egg sacks for steelhead,power bait. I float fish for steelhead with a 13 ft rod and a centerpin float reel as they do in canada. i also fly fish . if you fly fish on 18 i suggest small flies size 8 thru 10 egg sucking leaches,  size 8 glow bugs. at time the current can be slow esp in winter and water gin clear you may want to use a small float for strike indicator.Since your new to the area i suggest you go to the book store to pick up the sanders guide -which will give you all the spots in the area. If your still interest in chinook try oak orachard creek in orleans county,18 mile creek in niagara county or the lower niagara itself–lake ontario has larger population of chinooks-which proably will show up by end of september.If you dont mind taking a long ride say for a weekend there is the salmon river north of syracuse–you proably already know about that RIVERS REPUTATION AS WORLD CLASS. I hope this helps e mail if you have more questions.

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For some reason I got a notice that said this group has been deleted?  Does it still exist? Pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

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CAN I SEE SOME PICTURES

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CAN I SEE SOME PICTURES

 what do you wnat to see? naked fish?

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: Have you reported it to net.abuse.*? : Unfortunately, that’ll be akin to blowing against the wind… : The professional spam artists (how’s that for an oxymoron?) seek out groups : with "binaries" as part of the name and bombard them with ads for their porn : sites. Get used to it – it’ll only get worse as the group propagates around : Usenet… Which is one reason I hate GUI newsreaders. All they do is allow stupid people to abuse the newsgroups. Even the binaries newsgroups had little trouble before Netscape and others like it allowed you to view pictures directly from the newsgroups. USENET predates the internet but if things keep up like this USENET will soon be just a minor website. It sucks. BiNM

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someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

Unfortunately, that’ll be akin to blowing against the wind… The professional spam artists (how’s that for an oxymoron?) seek out groups with "binaries" as part of the name and bombard them with ads for their porn sites. Get used to it – it’ll only get worse as the group propagates around Usenet… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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TimW Of course, one could argue that this is a pic showing the source of fly tying materials for the "Hairy Mary".

Well, at least you made your post fly-tying related.  Just be glad it wasn’t a related photograph showing the source for Tup’s Indispensible. *<|:-#)=-   (Santa Smiley) -Clyde

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someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group. Have you reported it to net.abuse.*?

No, but I will… TimW

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Further evidence that people like us that venture forth into the malodorous backwaters of the unmoderated usenet need to be on our toes for *anything*, and that maybe this is *not* a good place for the squeamish and children, someone has posted a nekkid .jpg in the fishing pictures group.   Someday, the usenet will sport a web-page like rating system, but until then, please consider the neighborhood you are driving into… Just a warning… TimW Of course, one could argue that this is a pic showing the source of fly tying materials for the "Hairy Mary".

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I am seeking advice on where to fly fish in the Breckenridge area this weekend (18-20 February). Also, most of my fly fishing has occurred on alpine lakes, i.e. I am a relative novice in stream fishing. Thus any advice would be helpful, too. Please add if I will need waders to fish (I don’t have any, but I could borrow some). I really appreciate any help.                 Thanks,                  Matt

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I am going to be in the Breckenridge, CO area this weekend (18-20 February) and would like some advice on where to fish. Also, most of my experience is fishing in alpine lakes, i.e. I have minimal experience in stream fishing. Thus any advice would be appreciated (especially types of flies). Please add if I will need waders to fish (don’t have any, but I can borrow some if necessary). I really appreciate any advice.                         Thanks,                           Matt Linnell

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