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……the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit…..

Ya’ll are a hard crowd!  I think you should ease up on Petah……he’s taken just about enough heat for his garboed spelling.     Wolfgang hey, us immigrants gotta stick togethah.

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PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L — Lazarus Cooke

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of those rare, magic moments in fly fishing, out with greta friends on a perfect stream, Greta? My cousin wisely married the man who owns the house on the Greta – the house by the bridge on the river in the north of England that Cotman painted. Sadly I’ve never managed to fish in the river, but I’m glad to see a ROFF post on it. More please! Lazarus

        dear mr. cooke:  i am pleased to represent mr. peetah charles, late of the royal air force, in all his domestic relations…um, matters.         this is to advise that any further (farther?) references to the woman formerly known as "greta" will result in our immediate action at law, wherein your private parts will first be exposed (while at rest) to several cheerleaders from the university of south carolina, followed by their immediate severance from your person.         it is our earnest hope that this caution will suffice to silence any further (yep, that’s it) references to the aforementioned lady, her heirs, assigns, or private investigators. yr. obt. svt. a.wayne harrison,  atty at law.

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PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L

So do I I hate to spoil the greta thing you and wayno got going but my greta spelling is only surpassed in gretaness by the inability of my greta spell checker to properly correct greta. I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . . Didn’t want to be responsible . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Which has since made me wonder – do people actually pull off the dead upstream dry fly cast to a visible fish in gin clear water?

In Vermont many of the small brookie streams I fish the only way is to fish straight up. I walk up some streams for over 8 hours. Sometimes I can get up-and-across cast, but mostly, due to foliage, the cast it straight up and down the river. Most of the line floats and lands on the water where I get strikes. Isn’t low pressure a wonderful thing? Gary

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petah, petah…old chap…those were SOUTH carolina cheerleaders – "i.e., "gamecocks" – wayno referenced.  it’s ok…you’re still well within limits of literacy for us over 50 geezers.  but, the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit.

South – North, what’s a little geography between friends. jeff (who’s observed your gretaness with the tattooed bighair wimmen at the union co. sportsman’s club)

still pissed that I swiped your date, eh? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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petah, petah…old chap…those were SOUTH carolina cheerleaders – "i.e., "gamecocks" – wayno referenced.  it’s ok…you’re still well within limits of literacy for us over 50 geezers.  but, the greta cover-up… you might wanna work on that a bit. jeff (who’s observed your gretaness with the tattooed bighair wimmen at the union co. sportsman’s club) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PS I usually fail, but that’s the whole point. L So do I I hate to spoil the greta thing you and wayno got going but my greta spelling is only surpassed in gretaness by the inability of my greta spell checker to properly correct greta. I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . . Didn’t want to be responsible . . . Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I hated to put in this correction with wayno in full legal warhoop, but I’ve heard some stories about those Tarheel cheerleaders  . . .

the university brass had astroturf installed at the football stadium to keep ‘em from grazing during halftime. i don’t quite understand the decision really, considering that was the only entertainment value with a NC football ticket. waldo

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Which has since made me wonder – do people actually pull off the dead upstream dry fly cast to a visible fish in gin clear water?

I had a casting lesson years ago from Andy Murray, the Hardy casting expert, who said firmly that it was perfectly possible with a 9′ leader only. I use a longer one – more to avoid drag than anything else, probably about 12′ all told, (ie inc bit of thick mono tied to line, then tippet tied to 9′ tapered leader) but it’s what I do – on the Itchen & Test, which are pretty clear. Not DEAD upstream, unless I’m casting right handed from the right bank, but yes, then. Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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One of those rare, magic moments in fly fishing, out with greta friends on a perfect stream,

Greta? My cousin wisely married the man who owns the house on the Greta – the house by the bridge on the river in the north of England that Cotman painted. Sadly I’ve never managed to fish in the river, but I’m glad to see a ROFF post on it. More please! Lazarus — Lazarus Cooke

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<SNIP a foot above the trout. He nailed the fly, jumped once and threw the hook. He was maybe 10 to 12 inches long. It was fun and satisfying to finally hook it but a bit anticlimactic. Willi

I find it very satisfying to catch fish from difficult lies. I don

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha LOL, my x-boyfriend use to do that.  He stole all kinds of street signs and hung them up in his room.  I guess that’s what I get for dating a younger guy!  He was a dumbass! he he then I must be the same dumbass

I mean he was a dumbass for cheating on me with a 300 pound chick!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

Could you use a Syracuse City Parking Meter?  What’ve you got for trade? — "My friends, we are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives." Criswell The Psychic Weatherman

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People always make fun of me for my hobbies. I’m sure you assholes who are so fond of googling me will find out what they are, though. …if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

That’s awesome I used to steal signs every weekend. There wasn’t much else to do in the small town I grew up in. That brings back a lot of fond memories. Crawling out the window after mom went to bed. Pockets stuffed with wrenches and a pint of cheap bourbon. Creeping down the street in my buddy’s van, looking for the next good sign. Those were some fun nights. One weekend we harvested enough signage to get an article written about us in the local paper. We thought we were master criminals. I’ve retired from sign stealing, but it still crosses my mind sometimes. When I first moved here, about four years ago, I found a street called "Pope Lick Road" out in the boonies. I almost came out of retirement for that one. -monkeyman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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the dodwell bait download

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did you save it to a folder ?

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you download it , from www.welove/dodwell/yes

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you catch them when it is the season , and you save them for when it’s not the season , so you can enjoy dodwell all year long .

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…if you have one? I am just wondering…

<snip sewing. writing. reading. embroidery. video games. rj

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tell the truth , your hobby is , counting freds hairs as they fall out

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so , do you have some dodwells hidden away ?

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that’s why you save one or two .

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do you dream about lots and lots of dodwells ?

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I wish I had pets… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha my pets and webpage design. i aspire to cow-tipping though. —— smile pretty and watch your back (ani difranco) http://shattering.org x-no-archive:yes in the headers

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha LOL, my x-boyfriend use to do that.  He stole all kinds of street signs and hung them up in his room.  I guess that’s what I get for dating a younger guy!  He was a dumbass! he he

then I must be the same dumbass –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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tying artificial flies for fly fishing

that should be interesting… can you teach me? –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

Ah the coveted "Dip".

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We have a garden, and I sometimes do work in it. I also work with plants. I like it. -…if you have one? Bicycling, reading, drawing, music and singing.  I like to cook if there’s other people to eat the food.  Others as finances allow (sewing, crafts, etc.)  I’m missing gardening big-time.  :(

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…if you have one? I am just wondering…

I like collecting stuff about Charles Manson. That’s my newest hobby, actually. But I love to play my guitar, listening to music, singing and writing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha

LOL, my x-boyfriend use to do that.  He stole all kinds of street signs and hung them up in his room.  I guess that’s what I get for dating a younger guy!  He was a dumbass! he he – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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tying artificial flies for fly fishing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -…if you have one? I am just wondering… My hobby is stealing road signs. No, no kidding, haha –lone eat the cheeseburger to reply

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I am planning a trip to Ontario this summer and want to try flyrodding for Northerns. Can anyone tell me how to rig and what lures to use. I’m experienced at pike fishing but have never tried using a fly rod. Thanks!    

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Ernest, Get Barry Reynolds book Pike on the Fly from Johnson Books.  Barry spends   a LOT of time in Manitoba and Ontario fishing for pike with flies and his   book has everything you need to get started.  He also has a video called   The Flyrodders Guide to Pike on a Fly that is very good. Gregg

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: I am planning a trip to Ontario this summer and want to try flyrodding : for Northerns. Can anyone tell me how to rig and what lures to use. : I’m experienced at pike fishing but have never tried using a fly rod. : Thanks!     A few years ago, I got the idea that I’d like to try Northern fishing with a fly and proceeded to tie a bunch of brightly colored saltwater patterns on BIG hooks.  I also bought a ten-weight rod, learned to tie a bimini twist and then didn’t manage to make the trip. Seriously, though, I think that any of the big saltwater patterns (Lefty’s Deceiver et al.) would do well.

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…I’m experienced at pike fishing but have never tried using a fly rod. Thanks!

PIKE?!? (I hate them I guess practically any fly will do… maybe you should tie a duck or a frog… they eat practically anything that moves -F-

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I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.

Here are a couple of reports that are only days old. http://www.flyshop.com/centers/index.cfm?category=rm In the left margin, click on "Professional Fishing Reports".  Scroll down and you will find two on the Green with some good, current info.  You can find other current reports at: http://www.wrflyfisher.com/condit/rivers.php3?id=6159c3882d75fe9a9b7d… 4c246 http://quickbyte.com/greenriver/ http://www.webcom.com/drifters/ http://quickbyte.com/oldmoe/ http://www.fishwest.net/utah/disc_toc.htm http://www.fishwest.net/utah/currentconditions/index.htm If you go to flyanglersonline.com and search for the Green River, you will also get some good info.  I didn’t read it all, but there might be some stuff of interest to you. I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what?

My suggestions would be to start with 5X and work your way down.  If fishing with hoppers and such, you might want to even go up to 4X.  Let the fish dictate what to use instead of newsgroup info.  Or you always could stop in a fly shop when you get there and ask them. I have never fished this river system, so any info that you fine folks would like to share would be greatly appreciated.

Me either.  Good luck and let us know how you do. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.  I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what?

     I’ve always done well on the Green this time of year using stimulators in #10 or #12. Sometimes I’ll add an olive scud on a 2′ dropper, although I’d rather not. Another killer pattern this time of year is locally referred to as the "Hamburger Helper", it’s a #4 orangish-brown wooly bugger fished through the deeper spots. It’s a real bitch to cast, but it’ll take the biggest fish in the river.     If you go any smaller than a 4x you’ll break off a lot of fish.

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.  I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what?      I’ve always done well on the Green this time of year using stimulators in #10 or #12. Sometimes I’ll add an olive scud on a 2′ dropper, although I’d rather not. Another killer pattern this time of year is locally referred to as the "Hamburger Helper", it’s a #4 orangish-brown wooly bugger fished through the deeper spots. It’s a real bitch to cast, but it’ll take the biggest fish in the river.     If you go any smaller than a 4x you’ll break off a lot of fish.

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

     HEY, HEY, HEY, NOW JUST A MINUTE!!  I was just trying to divert some guy away from my home water!

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So this is how it’s gonna be!  Youz guyz are gonna be helpful to ever Tom, Dick and Hairy that stumbles upon this *site.*  Totally useless, I’m outta here! Op  –the dismayed–

Blow you! TC, R

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All, I will have a chance to fish the Green River in Utah (below Flaming Gorge) next weekend.  I can find info on what flies are hot (well kinda..most reports are at least 2 weeks old now), but can’t find any riggging info.  I can surmise that since the river is getting low, that the fish will be skittish, and that a long leader with a fine tippet should be used.  But, does that mean a 5x, or a 7x,or what? I have never fished this river system, so any info that you fine folks would like to share would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Mike P.

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P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting. Well, they say hope springs eternal.  Just curious; when you go to the reference library do you ask them to keep all the red books covered? Wolfgang who can help….honestly….but declines, thank you.

Wolfie, you didn’t think she was REALLY going to skate by with that, did you?  Get Ready!!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Joe, I have a GREAT idea!!  Come on down and pick up Lenny Young on the way.  We’ll head over to the Vally and fish our way up north toward Maryland. At the end of the day we’ll lay over in Berkley Springs WVa. Just south of town on 522 (north bound side of the road) is Bambi’s Massage.  The three of us will pile up in there, drink some Scotch, smoke some cigars, and have ol’e Bambi give us a nice relaxing rub- down.  In the meantime, we’ll give Monica a $10 gift certificate to Potomac Mills Outlet Mall, it’s the least we can do since she is footing the bill for our "fishing" trip!  We’ll be back Sunday evening, fished out and totally relaxed! Whadda’ya say guys!!

Sounds pretty good, but you may have tipped our hand by mentioning Bambi’s. No doubt you just happened to notice that place on the way to church. Why Monica, we’d NEVER take Lenny there, honest.   (Do you think she bought that?) Joe F.

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Dang Wayne, I might try that place myself.   (Now where can I leave the kids?   Say, how may bedrooms ya got?  <g) Joe F.

Joe, we’ll drop your kids at my place.  We’ll stock the fridge with pizza and Coke.  We have cable and a VCR.  The gutters need cleaning, the garden needs weeding, and the grass needs mowing.  Meadow Lane Lodge would be a great weekend getaway.  You bring the Special Edition Wild Turkey and I’ll bring the Macallan. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Joe, I have a GREAT idea!!  Come on down and pick up Lenny Young on the way.  We’ll head over to the Vally and fish our way up north toward Maryland. At the end of the day we’ll lay over in Berkley Springs WVa. Just south of town on 522 (north bound side of the road) is Bambi’s Massage.  The three of us will pile up in there, drink some Scotch, smoke some cigars, and have ol’e Bambi give us a nice relaxing rub- down.  In the meantime, we’ll give Monica a $10 gift certificate to Potomac Mills Outlet Mall, it’s the least we can do since she is footing the bill for our "fishing" trip!  We’ll be back Sunday evening, fished out and totally relaxed! Whadda’ya say guys!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Again, what is a getaway to you (or anyone besides the man in question) is not relevant.

Actually, I thought that was precisely the question:  "I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway.   Anyone have any suggestions?" I hadn’t meant to whiz in anyone’s Wheaties; just trying to be helpful. Sorry if I offended. I don’t mean this snidely, but I’d be damned if someone is going to tell me how or where to teach my kids, and I extend the same courtesy to others. I do agree, however, that for most, it could be an issue.

I understand your point; and perhaps a weekend teaching his kids to flyfish would be the ideal fly fishing weekend getaway for him.   It would be a fine weekend activity for me as well, just not a "getaway". PS: Try setting your length to 80 characters.  I don’t how to do it in OE 5.0, but I’m sure you can.

It’s set to wrap outgoing messages at 76 characters.   Why? Joe F.

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In article Now, Now, gentlemen.(ladies?)….  I justed wanted some

suggestions. Hey! Watch your language!  There are no gentlemen here!  It’s virtually impossible to ask for suggestions here without an argument starting.  Don’t take it personally – it’s entertainment for some of us.  Looks like you have several suggestions to consider in any case * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Again, what is a getaway to you (or anyone besides the man in question) is not relevant. Actually, I thought that was precisely the question:  "I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway.   Anyone have any suggestions?" I hadn’t meant to whiz in anyone’s Wheaties; just trying to be helpful. Sorry if I offended.

No offense taken, and I hope the same, but I guess it hit me strangely for some reason.  I still believe if a kid is old enough to show genuine interest, they are old enough to start to learn, but JMO. I don’t mean this snidely, but I’d be damned if someone is going to tell me how or where to teach my kids, and I extend the same courtesy to others. I do agree, however, that for most, it could be an issue. I understand your point; and perhaps a weekend teaching his kids to flyfish would be the ideal fly fishing weekend getaway for him.   It would be a fine weekend activity for me as well, just not a "getaway". PS: Try setting your length to 80 characters.  I don’t how to do it in OE 5.0, but I’m sure you can. It’s set to wrap outgoing messages at 76 characters.   Why?

Well, it originally had to do with early terminals (and tins can and string…hey, you old farts, chime on in…<G), but now most people use things that can easily handle at least 80 characters, and I’ve found it seems to be the optimum setting as I never get that annoying "wrap" of a word or two.  I’ve seen varying recommendations, so YMMV. Joe F.

TC, R

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Now, Now, gentlemen.(ladies?)….  I justed wanted some suggestions. Please don’t misunderstand me, I Want him to getaway!!!  I really don’t want to go.  I would rather send him and a friend.  He would rather take a family trip.  I’m looking for something that would allow the kids and I to do something entertaining while he does his thing and that’s if he prefers to have us along.  I’m sorry, but I hate fishing. But I like to bike ride, walk, swim, and hike. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband loves to fish and recently mentioned about a friend who received a gift to go fly fishing for the weekend.  As father day is coming (and he is such a good father), I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway. Anyone have any suggestions?  We live in the Washington DC area and don’t want to travel to far (maybe to PA).  He may want the whole family to go, so it must be a kid friendly place.  (two boys 3 and 5). Also, I don’t know the first thing about fly fishing (or fishing period) and have no idea what equipment he would need. P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting. Peace Monica

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P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting.

Well, they say hope springs eternal.  Just curious; when you go to the reference library do you ask them to keep all the red books covered? Wolfgang who can help….honestly….but declines, thank you.

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When I "get away" I enjoy taking my family.  I don’t get away from them.  I get away from my job, the city, and all of the stuff I have to do every day.  When I get away I love to take my family because I love my family. Jeff, is it hard to think that some men want to be with their family? — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now, Now, gentlemen.(ladies?)….  I justed wanted some suggestions. Please don’t misunderstand me, I Want him to getaway!!!  I really don’t want to go.  I would rather send him and a friend.  He would rather take a family trip.  I’m looking for something that would allow the kids and I to do something entertaining while he does his thing and that’s if he prefers to have us along.  I’m sorry, but I hate fishing. But I like to bike ride, walk, swim, and hike. message My husband loves to fish and recently mentioned about a friend who received a gift to go fly fishing for the weekend.  As father day is coming (and he is such a good father), I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway. Anyone have any suggestions?  We live in the Washington DC area and don’t want to travel to far (maybe to PA).  He may want the whole family to go, so it must be a kid friendly place.  (two boys 3 and 5). Also, I don’t know the first thing about fly fishing (or fishing period) and have no idea what equipment he would need. P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting. Peace Monica

Sounds like you have a good man.  It also sounds as though you are a loving wife.  It’s nice to see a family like this.  :-) — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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Now, Now, gentlemen.(ladies?)….  I justed wanted some suggestions. Please don’t misunderstand me, I Want him to getaway!!!  I really don’t want to go.  I would rather send him and a friend.  He would rather take a family trip.  I’m looking for something that would allow the kids and I to do something entertaining while he does his thing and that’s if he prefers to have us along.  I’m sorry, but I hate fishing. But I like to bike ride, walk, swim, and hike.

Why be sorry?  That’s why there is chocolate and vanilla.  It sounded like Wayne Hart provided an excellent suggestion, and I’m sure your situation is not unique, so I’m sure you’ll find a happy blend if you decide (or forced…<G) to go.  For what it’s worth, fly fishing is generally done in some rather nice locations, and maybe you can tag along.  Also, for what it’s worth, if this is his first time with a fly rod, it is likely that neither of you will have a lot of fish to deal with…<G.  Further, my SO hated fishing until she tried it, so if you’ve never tried it, you never know…of course, I’ve never tried a fertilizer malt, so I don’t know if I’d like ‘em.  However, I do know I’m not going to find out. As to the thread, I doubt asking for the time here would get a simple answer, what with time zones, philosophy, analog v. digital, automatic, self-winding, and quartz, etc.  In other words, don’t sweat it, and in fact, it is what makes ROFF, well, ROFF. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband loves to fish and recently mentioned about a friend who received a gift to go fly fishing for the weekend.  As father day is coming (and he is such a good father), I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway. Anyone have any suggestions?  We live in the Washington DC area and don’t want to travel to far (maybe to PA).  He may want the whole family to go, so it must be a kid friendly place.  (two boys 3 and 5). Also, I don’t know the first thing about fly fishing (or fishing period) and have no idea what equipment he would need. P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting. Peace Monica

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My husband loves to fish and recently mentioned about a friend who received a gift to go fly fishing for the weekend.  As father day is coming (and he is such a good father), I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway. Anyone have any suggestions?  We live in the Washington DC area and don’t want to travel to far (maybe to PA).  He may want the whole family to go, so it must be a kid friendly place.  (two boys 3 and 5). Also, I don’t know the first thing about fly fishing (or fishing period) and have no idea what equipment he would need.

I’ve given this some deep and honest thought, and I think you need to reconsider.   If it is to be a true "getaway", then he should be able to get away.   I’m sure you love him and he loves you; but no offense, "getaway" means away from you and the kids.   Otherwise, he’s not getting away, he’s just taking it with him somewhere else. Firstly, the 3 and 5 year old can’t fly fish and shouldn’t be anywhere near where sharp hooks are flying through the air.   Secondly, if your husband will be learning this for the first time, his stress level will be greatly reduced if he isn’t worrying about where else he should be or what else he should be doing or where are the kids.   Just cut him loose for the weekend and don’t expect to see him until Sunday night.   He’ll love it.   Trust me. Alternatively (and this is a good idea too), stash the kids, go with him, and learn fly fishing yourself.   You may love it and you may be a natural; there’s nothing inherently macho about it.   It’s graceful, it’s beautiful, it’s relaxing.   Giving your husband a good fishing "buddy" would be a great gift. Sorry, but I don’t see the kids fitting into this at their age.   If he really wants to fly fish, great; but if it’s just a "load the Evian into the Lexus and head over to the Orvis store because it’s kind of cool and Robert Redford made a movie about it" kind of thing; I’d say just go to Great Adventure.   It’ll cost less and everybody will have more fun. One last suggestion (I’m on a roll.)   Does it have to be fly fishing? You’re quite close to the Chesapeake, and it’s possible (depending on your budget) to charter a boat for a day of fishing on the Bay (out of Annapolis or Kent Island).   Everybody could go, you’ll probably have fun and catch a lot of fish, and you won’t need to buy anything new. P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting.

That would certainly be a first. Good luck, Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, the 3 and 5 year old can’t fly fish and shouldn’t be anywhere near where sharp hooks are flying through the air. Um, no.  As I’m sure you’ll soon discover, a 5 Y.O. can fish, although he might not have an interest.  A 3 YO is admittedly a little young, but if so disposed, he can watch and enjoy.  Of course, this depends on the boys, but as a blanket statement, you are flat wrong.  As to flying hooks, jeez, they are not machettes, and, likely, ya gonna get hooked sooner or later, anyway. It may be possible to teach a 5-yr.-old boy to fly fish; but if you try, it will be far from a "fly fishing getaway" for you, which I presumed was the point of the gift. Joe F.

Again, what is a getaway to you (or anyone besides the man in question) is not relevant.  I don’t mean this snidely, but I’d be damned if someone is going to tell me how or where to teach my kids, and I extend the same courtesy to others. I do agree, however, that for most, it could be an issue. As to age, I would offer it could be easier to teach an interested 5 yo (boy or girl) as they don’t have learned habits, theories, and likely, haven’t read every word Lefty Kreh has written.  They just want to learn to do it. TC, R PS: Try setting your length to 80 characters.  I don’t how to do it in OE 5.0, but I’m sure you can.  HTH?   R

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Monica, try Meadow Lane Lodge in Warm Springs VA.  Nice country Inn with 2 miles of private Jackson River trout water.  Beautiful place, kid friendly, stuff to do at the Inn and surroundings.  Makes a romantic getaway if you have a baby-sitter.  Check out the URL http://www.meadowlanelodge.com/

Dang Wayne, I might try that place myself.   (Now where can I leave the kids?   Say, how may bedrooms ya got?  <g) Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband loves to fish and recently mentioned about a friend who received a gift to go fly fishing for the weekend.  As father day is coming (and he is such a good father), I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway. Anyone have any suggestions?  We live in the Washington DC area and don’t want to travel to far (maybe to PA).  He may want the whole family to go, so it must be a kid friendly place.  (two boys 3 and 5). Also, I don’t know the first thing about fly fishing (or fishing period) and have no idea what equipment he would need. I’ve given this some deep and honest thought, and I think you need to reconsider.   If it is to be a true "getaway", then he should be able to get away.   I’m sure you love him and he loves you; but no offense, "getaway" means away from you and the kids.   Otherwise, he’s not getting away, he’s just taking it with him somewhere else. Firstly, the 3 and 5 year old can’t fly fish and shouldn’t be anywhere near where sharp hooks are flying through the air.  

Um, no.  As I’m sure you’ll soon discover, a 5 Y.O. can fish, although he might not have an interest.  A 3 YO is admittedly a little young, but if so disposed, he can watch and enjoy.  Of course, this depends on the boys, but as a blanket statement, you are flat wrong.  As to flying hooks, jeez, they are not machettes, and, likely, ya gonna get hooked sooner or later, anyway. Secondly, if your husband will be learning this for the first time, his stress level will be greatly reduced if he isn’t worrying about where else he should be or what else he should be doing or where are the kids.   Just cut him loose for the weekend and don’t expect to see him until Sunday night.   He’ll love it.   Trust me.

Well, now here you _may_ have something here, but you sure are making a lot of decisions for someone else.  Do you know these people?  If so, why are you posting instead of just calling and chatting about it.  As I don’t know him, I won’t presume he doesn’t enjoy learning _with_ his family.  I, for one, actually like doing such things with kids.  They aren’t jaded, and they don’t presume a whole lot…plus, they leave my Scotch the hell alone, never need to bum tobacco products, and are useful for errands. Alternatively (and this is a good idea too), stash the kids, go with him, and learn fly fishing yourself.   You may love it and you may be a natural; there’s nothing inherently macho about it.   It’s graceful, it’s beautiful, it’s relaxing.   Giving your husband a good fishing "buddy" would be a great gift. Sorry, but I don’t see the kids fitting into this at their age.   If he really wants to fly fish, great; but if it’s just a "load the Evian into the Lexus and head over to the Orvis store because it’s kind of cool and Robert Redford made a movie about it" kind of thing; I’d say just go to Great Adventure.   It’ll cost less and everybody will have more fun.

I’ll just let this stand (or rather, wobble) on its own… One last suggestion (I’m on a roll.)   Does it have to be fly fishing? You’re quite close to the Chesapeake, and it’s possible (depending on your budget) to charter a boat for a day of fishing on the Bay (out of Annapolis or Kent Island).   Everybody could go, you’ll probably have fun and catch a lot of fish, and you won’t need to buy anything new.

Hey, so am I…when you’re finsihed wizzing in this lady’s Wheaties, why not just plan the trip, send them a schedule and timetable (and your credit card), and be done with it. As to the original post, Monica: I don’t presume to know you, your husband, or boys, and Joe’s point regarding your husband learning, etc., is valid.  As to the safety of the boys, there is normally no danger associated with fly fishing common sense won’t handle. (Bears Au Poivre, Cottonmouthed Water Rattlers with Uzis, Molotov UPS trucks, and half-dressed, fully hung over ROFFians excluded).  If he doesn’t reply, send an is generally helpful without being a jerk, unlike much of the rest of us… HTH? TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting. That would certainly be a first. Good luck, Joe F.

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote… There are prodigies in everything I suppose, but I wouldn’t try to teach flyfishing to any child under the age of 10 or 11. I’m inclined to agree with Ken. My almost-three year old loves to try to cast a fly rod on the front lawn, generally making a rat’s nest out of the line–but despite her apparent interest it’s going to be several years until I’d feel safe putting a hook on. –Steve

Steve, If it matters, my mother did the same thing, and was a (unaged) casting champion by 13 or 14. She, and then I started with a little 6 footer and a 1494 Medalist about 4 or 5, and at least a dozen other similarly-aged kids did the same with the same rod – we still have it.   I don’t know your daughter, but I’ve seen 40 year-olds do worse than your description of her, and give up in a temper tantrum.  May I suggest tying her some bright whiffs (so she can track them), setting a hula hoop out and letting her go as she will, instructing if you see any bad habits forming?  If you need a few bright tips and hair, I’ll be happy to drop some in the mail. HTH? TC, R

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote… There are prodigies in everything I suppose, but I wouldn’t try to teach flyfishing to any child under the age of 10 or 11.

I’m inclined to agree with Ken. My almost-three year old loves to try to cast a fly rod on the front lawn, generally making a rat’s nest out of the line–but despite her apparent interest it’s going to be several years until I’d feel safe putting a hook on. –Steve

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Firstly, the 3 and 5 year old can’t fly fish and shouldn’t be anywhere near where sharp hooks are flying through the air. Um, no.  As I’m sure you’ll soon discover, a 5 Y.O. can fish, although he might not have an interest.  A 3 YO is admittedly a little young, but if so disposed, he can watch and enjoy.  Of course, this depends on the boys, but as a blanket statement, you are flat wrong.  As to flying hooks, jeez, they are not machettes, and, likely, ya gonna get hooked sooner or later, anyway.

It may be possible to teach a 5-yr.-old boy to fly fish; but if you try, it will be far from a "fly fishing getaway" for you, which I presumed was the point of the gift. Joe F.

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I learned to fly fish when I was 4.  I received my first rod when I was 5. Perhaps 3 is a bit too young, but 5 certainly is not.

There are prodigies in everything I suppose, but I wouldn’t try to teach flyfishing to any child under the age of 10 or 11. — Ken Fortenberry

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Joe: The next time my wife is looking for ideas for my birthday can I have her contact you for suggestions? –Stan I’ve given this some deep and honest thought, and I think you need to reconsider.   If it is to be a true "getaway", then he should be able to get away.   I’m sure you love him and he loves you; but no offense, "getaway" means away from you and the kids.   Otherwise, he’s not getting away, he’s just taking it with him somewhere else.

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Firstly, the 3 and 5 year old can’t fly fish and shouldn’t be anywhere near where sharp hooks are flying through the air.

I learned to fly fish when I was 4.  I received my first rod when I was 5. Perhaps 3 is a bit too young, but 5 certainly is not.

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My husband loves to fish and recently mentioned about a friend who received a gift to go fly fishing for the weekend.  As father day is coming (and he is such a good father), I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway. Anyone have any suggestions? …

http://www.coldspringanglers.com/guides.html — Ken Fortenberry

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My husband loves to fish and recently mentioned about a friend who received a gift to go fly fishing for the weekend.  As father day is coming (and he is such a good father), I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway. Anyone have any suggestions?  We live in the Washington DC area and don’t want to travel to far (maybe to PA).  He may want the whole family to go, so it must be a kid friendly place.  (two boys 3 and 5). Also, I don’t know the first thing about fly fishing (or fishing period) and have no idea what equipment he would need. P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting. Peace Monica

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband loves to fish and recently mentioned about a friend who received a gift to go fly fishing for the weekend.  As father day is coming (and he is such a good father), I would like to give him a gift of a fly fishing weekend getaway. Anyone have any suggestions?  We live in the Washington DC area and don’t want to travel to far (maybe to PA).  He may want the whole family to go, so it must be a kid friendly place.  (two boys 3 and 5). Also, I don’t know the first thing about fly fishing (or fishing period) and have no idea what equipment he would need. P.S.  after reading some of the postings, I hope that only those that can honestly help me reply to this posting. Peace Monica

Monica, try Meadow Lane Lodge in Warm Springs VA.  Nice country Inn with 2 miles of private Jackson River trout water.  Beautiful place, kid friendly, stuff to do at the Inn and surroundings.  Makes a romantic getaway if you have a baby-sitter.  Check out the URL http://www.meadowlanelodge.com/ For a "further afield" fly-fishing only place try West Branch Anglers along the PA-NY border on the West Branch of the Deleware.  Not very kid-friendly but has a great restaurant and the drift boat trips are great fishing if you catch the water levels right.  I think we have a poster here who guides in the area. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I am going to Lake Tahoe for a week in one week. Does anyone know anything about the fishing conditions this time of year? Is there any stream fishing in the vicinity in Late October?

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Depends which end of the lake you are going to.  It’s been in the teen’s at night, so will be cold in the morning.  At North Shore (Tahoe City) there is the Truckee, and out of south Shore there are some streams, and the East Carson over the hill hwy 88.  Contact Trout Creek Fly’s in South Shore for up to date info on stream fishing.  The lake fishing will be good for Mackinaws, there are some charter boats available.  Kokanee will be heading up the streams.  Be sure to go to the stream chamber at Taylor Creek state park (near South Shore) to see the run.  Have an underwater viewing window. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to Lake Tahoe for a week in one week. Does anyone know anything about the fishing conditions this time of year? Is there any stream fishing in the vicinity in Late October?

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I have a friend going to Yellowstone in the end of August.  I would appreciate any recent information on the road construction in the area, its effects, where the construction is, etc.                 Thanks and tight lines!

Hi I came through fished Yellowstone two weeks ago and the construction was between Madison Junction and Old Faithful. It did restrict access to the Firehole but the section of road nearest Old Faithful was complete and access there was ok. Also the Yellowstone season opened and it is available. Don’t pass up the Gibbon river both above and below the falls. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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I have a friend going to Yellowstone in the end of August.  I would appreciate any recent information on the road construction in the area, its effects, where the construction is, etc.                                     Thanks and tight lines!

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I have a friend going to Yellowstone in the end of August.  I would appreciate any recent information on the road construction in the area, its effects, where the construction is, etc.                 Thanks and tight lines!

Try this site; it’s got current road conditions, closures etc. http://www.nps.gov/yell/

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I have a friend going to Yellowstone in the end of August.  I would appreciate any recent information on the road construction in the area, its effects, where the construction is, etc.                 Thanks and tight lines!

The park service has a page at http://www.nps.gov/yell/roadinfo.htm that gives road information.

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Looking for tips, patterns, rivers, fly shops, etc. in the vicinity of Brevard and Asheville, North Carolina.  We’ll be there for a few days the end of April, and want to get on the local waters.   Thanks in advance.

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Hi Keith I’ve found two sites on the internet that work well for me when traveling or preparing to travel. They are Switch Board and Map Quest. A quick Lycos search should get you the addresses. With Switch Board you get telephone listings for any area either by individual or by type of business. With Map Quest, you can print out a map on how to find any address. Good luck. Al Looking for tips, patterns, rivers, fly shops, etc. in the vicinity of Brevard and Asheville, North Carolina.  We’ll be there for a few days the end of April, and want to get on the local waters.   Thanks in advance.

Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Looking for tips, patterns, rivers, fly shops, etc. in the vicinity of Brevard and Asheville, North Carolina.  We’ll be there for a few days the end of April, and want to get on the local waters.

In asheville, there’s Hunter Banks. They should provide you with the info you want. I know that they have an occasional net presence but I’m not familiar with it. Might be worth a search using Hunter Banks as the subject. Hope this helps. DA

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Looking for tips, patterns, rivers, fly shops, etc. in the vicinity of Brevard and Asheville, North Carolina.  We’ll be there for a few days the end of April, and want to get on the local waters. Thanks in advance.

Appalachian Angler – 164 Old Shull’s Mill Rd. Boone, NC 28607. (704-963-5050 Haden and his brother run the oldest guide servive in the area.They guide float and wading trips in NC, Tenn, and also run float trips in Alaska 100 days a year. Hope to be heading up there soon myself. BTW, there is an Orvis shop just down the road from them, but they wern’t nearly as informed or as helpful when I have stopped in to talk with them. I don’t remember the shops name or have their address, but it is located in Banner Elk, NC. Hope this helps, Steve Hike the Florida National Scenic Trail   For information: www: http://www.florida-trail.org/~fta Florida Trail Association P.O. Box 13708, Gainesville Fl. 32604 (800)343-1882

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NOTICE!  NOTICE!  NOTICE! This is just a heads-up that the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishing Club of Corvallis, Oregon, USA, is holding its monthly member meeting on Tuesday, February 4th, 1997.  The meeting will be at CH2M Hill’s facility, at King’s and Walnut, in Corvallis.  We meet at 7:30pm, with a social dinner opportunity at Pizza Hut, across the street, starting at 6:00pm. You don’t need to be a member to attend.  This month’s program will see Keith Burkhart, of The Vally Flyshop, in Salem, OR, demonstrating rod building. Hope to see you there, Charley

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Gee, too bad I didn’t see this yesterday.  I’ve been playing catchup. -Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NOTICE!  NOTICE!  NOTICE! This is just a heads-up that the Mid-Willamette Fly Fishing Club of Corvallis, Oregon, USA, is holding its monthly member meeting on Tuesday, February 4th, 1997.  The meeting will be at CH2M Hill’s facility, at King’s and Walnut, in Corvallis.  We meet at 7:30pm, with a social dinner opportunity at Pizza Hut, across the street, starting at 6:00pm. You don’t need to be a member to attend.  This month’s program will see Keith Burkhart, of The Vally Flyshop, in Salem, OR, demonstrating rod building. Hope to see you there, Charley

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I’m going to be in Bozeman the first week of March.  Is Nelson’s worth fishing?  Is anything else worth fishing? Do people float the stone then?

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I’m going to be in Bozeman the first week of March.  Is Nelson’s worth fishing?  Is anything else worth fishing? Do people float the stone then?

Hi Fishing at that time of the year is usually great but dependent on the weather. Madison, Jefferson, Gallatin, Nelson’s, and the Yellowstone are all good options. Bead head nymph would be my choice with a few midges hatching in mid-day. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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nelson’s can be worth it, but in March it always depends on the weather. Kee p in touch with the gentleman at Dan Bailey’s, Al Beatty or let me know right before you come.  It can be very cold in March and then again not so bad.  Floating the stone is also an option if the weather is OK.  Good luck. Rich – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be in Bozeman the first week of March.  Is Nelson’s worth fishing?  Is anything else worth fishing? Do people float the stone then?

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