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JB said..   Speaking of which, I’d be interested in any observations you might   care to share on inverted spin recovery.  JB Long time since I’ve been spinning in anything other than a car Paul. Thank god for that (given what you "drive" nowdays…) Take out an "l" for email reply

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It took a lot of practice, and I seem to remember some pretty awful results, but I eventually got it down. In the end I decided not to use it in the display, as the only people who would appreciate it were other pilots (and most would simply be glad they weren’t in the aircraft with me). I could only do it in one direction too. Going the other way, the inverted fuel tank would run out of gas before I could make it past roughly 270

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Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, a pawn, a disgruntled worker or a martyr for a cause; or did he just deliver justice to an out of control government? A new perspective that the folks at the Today Show and the like don’t want you to consider. http://www.geocities.com/mcveigh_martyr/Untitled-1.htm

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Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, a pawn, a disgruntled worker or a martyr for a cause; or did he just deliver justice to an out of control government?

No. He just hated like a hick .. no reason or judgement .. just bound up in an unquestioned way of life that he didn’t have the intelligence to set aside. johns

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yawn just another pylon to ignore… I don’t know why anyone even bothers to find out who these "anonymous" ppl are. The internet is such a cultural wasteland filled with clueless people so eager to share their misinformed or misguided opinion. Time to put the LSD and crayons away.  People truly need to learn that the gov’t really doesn’t give a rats ass about who you are, or what you do. You’re just a number in a total population figure. The reason people say ignorance is bliss is because the statement has some merit to it.  Live to whatever age you live to, marry reproduce and be wormfood. Oh, and quit hogging our newsgroup bandwidth.  If you aren’t behind the way the world works by now, you never will be.

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You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage.

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Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, Yes. Please post all the facts.

Facts are he was conviicted and recently admitted his role to two local reporters who interviewed him for a recently published book. Of course the jury could be wrong and Tim could have lied to the authors. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world?

Two wrongs don’t make a right. )

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world? Two wrongs don’t make a right.

After what he did to the children and their family’s,  they should just strap him to a box of dynamite and set it off…….  But that would cause air pollution I suppose…… Pete

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You ask this about the guy who said children killed in the explosion were collateral damage. Isn’t that what his government said about the children killed in various bombings around the world?

Sometimes it is what one doesn’t say. Utterly unbelievable story in today’s paper: "Birmingham, Ala. – For three decades, the FBI failed to disclose it had hundreds of hours of tape recordings and other evidence that could help convict former Ku Klux Klansmen in the 1963 church bombing that killed four black girls. FBI spokesman Craig Dahle said, " I think it is wrong to assert there was any effort to block anything." Jay Reeves, Associated Press May 4, 2001 It was not stated just what title was put on this governmental file. Steve                ~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~

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Regardless of feelings about McVeigh’s act in OKC, it’s NOT hard to understand his rationale – especially in relation to acts like Waco that predominantly shaped his own retaliatory act as it did. If you are to understand the things people do, you have to ALSO understand their motivations. *I* understand Tim’s – I think – but what I DON’T understand is WHY, once he was caught he abandoned his "rebel crusade" and pleaded innocent, rather than stand boldly as the revolutionary he seemed to picture himself to that point. After all, "crusaders", and "revolutionaries" pretty much have to assume they will eventually be caught and punished – and when THAT happens, if they are SINCERE in their supposed beliefs, they would be expected to one more time use the public spotlite to advance their core belief rather than try to weasle out like a coward… — Gary – KJ6Q http://community.webshots.com/user/davison71 California’s energy crisis… Brought to you by your friendly environmentalists. Cold? Hungry? Roast a Spotted Owl over a family room bonfire! Out of work? Volunteer for a job at Sierra Club headquarters to help tear down more dams and power plants in California and along the Columbia river…

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croaked…   Is Tim McVeigh a murderer, Yes. Please post all the facts.

Please take it off this list.

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Is that what you think of doing to your president too?

Just why would one want to do that? Lets see.  Your ‘name is "BUTCHER" and you ask this kind of question? Visit www.k7no.com   Under construction but getting there.

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Is that what you think of doing to your president too? Just why would one want to do that? Lets see.  Your ‘name is "BUTCHER" and you ask this kind of question? And???

And yer cross-posting this nonesense over about half a dozen newsgroups. Seriously, if we all wanted these opinions we’d have gone out of our ways to ask y’all for them. –Ken

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….Describe how to get non-blocking routing through a toriodal interconnect fabric of any dimension.

Phhht!  Too easy.  Get a bigger hammer.      :) Wolfgang no charge for this one

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*snip patent info*    Is the toxicity something we should be concerned with?

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*snip patent info*    Is the toxicity something we should be concerned with?

Anything with mineral oil in it is toxic.  If you drink mineral oil for instance, you will die, probably quite horribly.  Chucking even small amounts of mineral oil into the environment is a very bad thing to do. You may remember fairly recent scandals, especially in Italy, where Olive oil was "stretched" with mineral oil. Many people died horribly, others lost their sight, and had various other nasty things happen to them. Mineral oil is also a contact poison, and may cause dermatitis and other allergic reactions. Some products produced by the ethoxylation of Nonyl Phenol, Glycerine, and various other substances are used among other things as very high grade surgical soap. Eating this will cause severe and uncontrollable vomiting, will damage the stomach, throat, etc, and depending on the other ingredients may also be toxic. Chemical analyses are available for all the substances listed in the patent. Some are toxic, some are not. Quite a few are environmental pollutants ( Long chain, non bio-degradable molecules). Ethoxylated substances change their characteristics and properties quite radically as a result of polymerisation.  Phenol for instance is an extremely dangerous and potent poison in its raw state.  It would be necessary to read all the chemical  and property analyses of the substances concerned in order to determine the toxicity of any mixture based on them. If silica is added to the stuff, this implies that it is finely ground. When dry, ground silica dust is extremely dangerous, and is number one on the list of carcinogens.  In a wet mixture it is probably relatively harmless. Not to put to fine a point on it, I would not use the stuff. TL MC

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This is Ethene ( Common name Ethylene)  C2H4 The symbol above is the most common way of writing an ethylene molecule, known as a "monomer".  When polymerised this gives Polythene ( Poly Etyhlene)  which is a common thermoplastic. When combined with oxygen, it gives EO2  which is Ethylene Oxide, a highly reactive substance, which is a primary ingredient in the processes used to produce the ingredients of the stuff you sell, Gink and Xink.

On a lighter note, one of my favorite "vanity plates" to date was a simple sedan with the license plate C2H5OH (or something close to that, I can’t remember now).   It took me a while, but I eventually surmised the owner’s name was Ethel. Joe F.

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On a lighter note, one of my favorite "vanity plates" to date was a simple sedan with the license plate C2H5OH (or something close to that, I can’t remember now).   It took me a while, but I eventually surmised the owner’s name was Ethel.

That would be just C2H5. — Charlie…

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I would ask you all to refrain from answering this until Mr Gehrke does so. I have my reasons.

Might be too late now though.

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—- It’s quite interesting how G alludes that Mike C’s posts are derogatory

towards US citizens.  I assume that this is supposed to drum up support for his "case". —- our envy of Mike Connor’s reputation and his considerable contribution to the world of flyfishing is obvious. —- Padishar Creel — George, do some actual research before you post so-called facts…it will save you some embarrassment later.

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 George, do some actual research before you post so-called facts…it will save you some embarrassment later.

Diagnosis, Doctor?

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 George, do some actual research before you post so-called facts…it will save you some embarrassment later. Diagnosis, Doctor?

—– Hmmm, as I stroke my Jungian beard, I would say the diagnosis would include a complex combination of personality and co-morbid Axis I disorders and for you laymen, please forgive the highly technical jargon, but the correct taxonomical nomenclature would be "Shit For Brains" <G. Padishar Creel — Mental health Expert of the Major Roffian Character Disorders

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Hmmm, as I stroke my Jungian beard, I would say the diagnosis would include a complex combination of personality and co-morbid Axis I disorders and for you laymen, please forgive the highly technical jargon, but the correct taxonomical nomenclature would be "Shit For Brains" <G.

—— As to an interesting link that may be of some relevance! http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html —— Padishar Creel "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft…and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor." –  Wernher von Braun

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assume we are talking about fly fishermen.  Think we have two major groups. very rich with their float boat guides and trips to Chili  and the rural low income folks  who just have always fished because it is a way of life. The folks who amaze me are the governmental workers and the educators who seem to spend half their time fishing, and half their time posting on the internet.    Relative to income –some of us thought we were in the higher bracket, but due to recent stock market now find ourselves   trying to catch and eat. Indian Joe

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OK. Since you decline to answer.  For a number of years I worked for ICI ( Imperial Chemical Industries ) in England. I possess a City and Guilds of London Certificate in chemical plant operation, ( With distinction ). and I was, among other things,  chief operator of the ethoxylation facility. I am not a chemist as such, but have a good basic knowledge of chemistry.( OK perhaps a little more than just "basic"), it was essential for my job at the time. I manufactured thousands of tons of the stuff which you are mixing and selling as your own invention.    H    H     I      I    C=C     I     I    H   H Usually written    H    H     I      I    C=C    —–    Addition polymerisation.     I     I    H   H This is Ethene ( Common name Ethylene)  C2H4 The symbol above is the most common way of writing an ethylene molecule, known as a "monomer".  When polymerised this gives Polythene ( Poly Etyhlene)  which is a common thermoplastic. When combined with oxygen, it gives EO2  which is Ethylene Oxide, a highly reactive substance, which is a primary ingredient in the processes used to produce the ingredients of the stuff you sell, Gink and Xink. Any chemist, or anybody with even a faint knowledge of chemistry would recognise it immediately. How remarkably strange that the "inventor" of a substance has no idea what is in it. Just to be absolutely certain I researched the US patent office.  Here is the extract. —- United States Patent  4,184,889 Gehrke  January 22, 1980 —- Fly, line and leader sinker composition Abstract A composition for application to fishing flies, lines and leaders to cause them to sink when placed in water. —- Inventors:  Gehrke; George E. (Drawer 1204, Salida, CO 81201) Appl. No.:  909667 Filed:  May 25, 1978 Current U.S. Class: 106/267; 43/4; 516/204; 516/DIG1 Intern’l Class:  C08L 091/00 Field of Search:  106/266,267,243 —- References Cited [Referenced By] —- U.S. Patent Documents 3526596 Sep., 1970 Kress et al. 252/52. 3872048 Mar., 1975 Brown 252/52. Foreign Patent Documents 995085 Jun., 1965 GB. Primary Examiner: Morris; Theodore Attorney, Agent or Firm: Wymore; Max L. —- Claims —- What is claimed is: 1. A composition of the matter to be applied to a fly, line or leader to cause same to sink below the surface of the water when cast by a fisherman which comprises about four parts by volume of a surface active agent consisting of the non-ionic reaction products of ethylene oxide with nonyl phenol, about one part by volume of sorbitan monolaurate and about ten parts by weight of a medium grade mineral oil blended together. 2. The composition of matter of claim 1 wherein the non-ionic reaction products of ethylene oxide with nonyl phenyl has a molar ratio of ethylene oxide in the adduct, of four. 3. The composition of matter of claim 1 including a small amount of cod liver oil and a silica thickener. 4. A method of treating a line or fly to promote sinking when cast in water which comprises applying a composition thereto of about four parts by volume of a surface active agent consisting of the non-ionic reaction products of ethylene oxide with nonyl phenol and mixing about one part therewith of sorbitan monolaurate to prevent the formation of an immersible gell between the reaction products and the water. —- Description —- One of the problems confronting the avid fly fisherman is the ability of having a fly sink fast after it is cast into the water. One solution has been to use split shot on the leader or by the use of weighted flies; however, the weighted flies do not move in a natural manner and the use of split shot on the leader makes for difficult, inaccurate and sometimes, unsafe casting. While some fly fishermen have used a sinking liquid applied to the leader, this liquid will not stay on the leader and needs to be reapplied practically for each and every cast. The benefits and advantages of the present invention are achieved by the use of a composition of matter formulated to provide ease of application and a composition that will stay on a fly and cause it to sink rapidly for many, many successive casts and wherein the fly sinks down low to where the fish are. The sinker compound works so well and lasts such a very long time that in most instances, there is no need to use split shot or weighted flies. The composition is also an excellent leader sink and makes sinking lines sink even faster. It is a primary object of this invention to provide a fly, line and leader sinker composition that is easy to use, wipes off fingers easily, provides rapid sinking to lines, leaders and flies and is retained thereon for a multitude of successive casts. Another object of the invention is to provide a sinking composition that does not interfere with the natural movement of flies and will permit safe and accurate casting. A still further object of the present invention is to provide a sinking composition many times better than previously available compositions and avoids the use of a streamer or nymph to achieve sink characteristics. Additional benefits and advantages of the present invention become apparent upon the reading of the description of the preferred embodiment. The fly, line and leader sinker composition according to this invention consists of about four parts by volume of Surfonic N-40 surface active agent, about one part by volume of Span 20 and about ten parts by weight of a mineral oil. The composition may also contain a small amount of cod liver oil for scent purposes, a small amount of mineral oil and a small amount of Aerosil 200 as a thickening agent. These ingredients are mixed together to form a highly viscous liquid product. The Surfonic N-40 is manufactured by Jefferson Chemical Company, Inc. and is available from VanWaters & Rogers, division of Univar, 4300 Holly St., Denver, Col. 80216. Surfonic N-40 surface active agent is a non-ionic reaction product of ethylene oxide with nonyl phenol. The products are designated by a number following the letter "N". The number is a ten-fold multiple of the molar ratio of ethylene oxide in the adduct. The surface active properties result from the combination of the hydrophilic polyoxyethylene chain and the hydrophobic nonyl phenol. These groups combine to form a molecule which "crosses" the oil-water interface and breaks down the surface tension so as to promote a dispersion. Surfonic N-40 is water-insoluble, oil-soluble. When the Surfonic N-40 alone contacts water, the water acts with the Surfonic N-40 to produce an immiscible gel. A surfactant Span 20 is added to the Surfonic N-40 and when mixed therewith, prevents hydration of the Surfonic N-40 from producing an immiscible gel. Span 20 is a trademark of ICI Americas, Inc., Specialty Chemicals Division, Wilmington, Del. 19897 and is used to identify a non-ionic surfactant of sorbitan monolaurate. The composition may also include about ten parts by weight of a medium grade mineral oil and a small amount of a thickness such as silica known by the trade name Aerosil 200 a product of Degussa Corp., Route 46 at Hollister Rd., P.O. Box 2004, Teterboro, N.J. 07608. The resulting composition is a thick amber liquid that can be placed on the figures and rubbed into a fly, line or leader. When a fly, line or leader treated with the composition of this invention is cast into water, the fly, line and/or leader will sink immediately and will avoid any tendency of floating on top of the water. The line, fly and/or leader so treated can be cast and re-cast numerous times without the necessity of renewing the sinker composition. The present invention may be embodied in other specific forms without departing from the spirit or essential characteristics thereof. The presently disclosed embodiment is, therefore, to be considered in all respects as illustrative and not restrictive, the scope of the invention being indicated by the appended claims rather than by the foregoing description, and all changes which come within the meaning and range of equivalency of the claims are, therefore, intended to be embraced therein. * * * * * —- END OF COPY. What this basically means is, you managed to "bamboo"zle and bullshit the US Patent Office into granting you a patent on a soap mixture.  With Silica, mineral oil, etc ( see above) added.  You have been filling this mixture into little bottles, and selling it to the unsuspecting angling public for years. Do you actually add "scent" ?  Most unsporting. Whatever, a drop of any reasonable detergent works better, and has no mineral oil or other crap in it. Any chemist would be laughing himself sick at all this. If you are a chemist, then I am the Archangel Michael. Would you like an independent analysis of Gink as well?  No trouble I assure you. MC

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Germany used 88mm main guns on its tank Georgie.No reference to an 80mm gun. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where do you get all this crap from ? Snipped a ton of ignorant guessing about many things you know NOTHING of. .  Americans were the boys in W.W.II that would take abandoned German Tanks, and get them running with a pair of pliers and bailing wire.  Then they would turn that 80 MM cannon around and pepper those Nazi’s asses.

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H    H I      I C=C       What is it?  What can you make of it, and how? I     I H   H MC

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Germany used 88mm main guns on its tank Georgie.No reference to an 80mm gun.

It’s quite interesting how G alludes that Mike C’s posts are derogatory towards US citizens.  I assume that this is supposed to drum up support for his "case".

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You have the manners of a pig, the social skills of an alley cat, the general knowledge of a house brick, literally stink of ignorance So don’t tell us we don’t know anything about engines, wrist pin.

ROFF Backyard Wrestling !  It’s a hoot ! I’m waiting for Chyna to come out and beat both of you over the head with a folding metal chair ! Your pal, — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Don Thompson writes: Germany used 88mm main guns on its tank Georgie.No reference to an 80mm gun.

Uh, Don, uh, you will confuse him with facts.  This is the guy that flew F-100s in Korea and shot down MiG-19s a year before they came out, and a year after the war ended.  Besides, by his own words, he tells us he has been tying flies for "four score years".  The sucker is over 100 years old, apparently. BTW, I have seen and fished with Mike Connor tied flies.  They are superb examples of the art, and he gave them freely without me asking, without me supporting him, without me endorsing anything.  Of course he hasn’t been tying for 80 something years like George……. I’ve also cast a rod designed and built by Mike.  I own (moment of insanity, I know) a rod built by Gehrke.  There is no comparison to the way Mike’s rod casts to the tomato stake that George made.  If only I had pulled a Vern at the The Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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I think it’s nothing This is something     H   H      l     l H-C=C-H      l     l     H   H This is something else which is supposed to destroy cells in some part of your body.  I forget which part. This is something better.     H   H      l     l H-C=C-OH      l     l     H   H The chemistry may explain why english beer is bad. %^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – H    H I      I C=C       What is it?  What can you make of it, and how? I     I H   H MC

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I would ask you all to refrain from answering this until Mr Gehrke does so. I have my reasons. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s nothing This is something

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That ain’t shit, look at this:                 S                     S                         S                             S                                 S                                 S                             S                         S                     S                 S

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s nothing This is something     H   H      l     l H-C=C-H      l     l     H   H This is something else which is supposed to destroy cells in some part of your body.  I forget which part. This is something better.     H   H      l     l H-C=C-OH      l     l     H   H The chemistry may explain why english beer is bad. %^) H    H I      I C=C       What is it?  What can you make of it, and how? I     I H   H MC

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Now that’s a post for the ages, if I ever saw one.  Thanks for warmin’ my heart this morn Mike.  I am headed out to Wilson Creek in an hour to fish with another fine ROFFian, Wally Boy.  Mike you deserve a beer basket for this one.  If only I were so damned articulate! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where do you get all this crap from ?   Do you hear voices or something? Did some nutcase of your acquaintance and similar persuasion, mistake you for a tree, and hammer a nail in your head?   Just what the hell is the matter with you? To date we have been treated to various spectacle as a direct result of your general ignorance and incompetence. You are a chemist who does not know the first thing about even elementary chemistry, you are a pilot who has flown non-existent planes, you are an engineer who knows nothing of the by-products of internal combustion engines, an environmentalist who uses the most wasteful possible modes of transport,  you are an expert at fly-tying, although apparently unaware of how, or even if, many materials may be obtained and used, playwriting, poetry, hunting, casting and rod-building, we wont go into that, etc etc etc . And of course you are a genius ! Even the thought of somebody like you flying around in something as complex as an aeroplane gives me the shudders, even if you were only a passenger. You have the manners of a pig, the social skills of an alley cat, the general knowledge of a house brick, literally stink of ignorance and prejudice in a host of forms, and for some weird and probably completely unknowable reason, you think you are a gentleman as well. Your only apparent genius is for making nonsensical, grammatically and otherwise, barely intelligible statements,  which invariably turn out to have virtually no foundation whatsoever. Absolutely amazing. Is there not at least some faint feeble aspect of your character which is not mean, ignorant, and nasty? Your proclamations, as far as they are decipherable, invariably bear incontrovertible witness to your ignorance. Just for your information, my phone bill is in excess of 250$ per month. Even though I have reduced my internet activities considerably. I only have a small business which I now operate completely single-handed.  It is successful, as my products and work are beyond reproach, I have not had a single customer return in all the years I have been self-employed. Not even the stuff I send  per UPS is faulted. A fact that I am extremely proud of. Doubtless UPS as well.  I work long hours at difficult and physically and mentally demanding work, and then I come on here for a bit of enjoyment and have to listen to loonies like you, who have probably never done a decent days work in their entire lives, have no discernible morals, and earn their money selling a load of awful shit, most of which they do not even understand, making various statements as if they had been handed down on tablets of stone. Perhaps I should start building rods or manufacturing floatant?   If some of the competition is indeed as lousy as its reputation suggests, then I ought to make a mint. Before you start spouting bullshit, at least make an attempt, no matter how feeble, to get some information on the subject first. What I earn is none of your business. But rest assured, I earn it. MC "The gaga continues".

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… You have the manners of a pig, the social skills of an alley cat, the general knowledge of a house brick, literally stink of ignorance and prejudice in a host of forms, and for some weird and probably completely unknowable reason, you think you are a gentleman as well. Your only apparent genius is for making nonsensical, grammatically and otherwise, barely intelligible statements,  which invariably turn out to have virtually no foundation whatsoever. …

Priceless. A tad harsh on pigs and alley cats not to mention downright insulting to bricks but a ROFF Hall of Fame post nonetheless. — Ken Fortenberry

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Where do you get all this crap from ?  

Snipped a ton of ignorant guessing about many things you know NOTHING of. Look Connor, you old, wrong opinionated fool.  My rates for my Internet Service is $199.00 for a full year.  The DEDICATED phone line is $25.95 a month.  This is only $322.40 for a full year.  Amount of hours I use each month regarding Internet business exceeds 80 hours a month, which equates to about .32 Cents AN HOUR!  So what is your problem, moron? Don’t you believe these rates, you bullshit artist? Next, do you want me to send you a video tape of me flying my airplane? How about a grand tour of my chemistry lab?  Who gives a shit what YOU think?  Incidentally, there is nothing I don’t know about an internal combustion engine.  American kids, cut their teeth on them since puberty.  Americans were the boys in W.W.II that would take abandoned German Tanks, and get them running with a pair of pliers and bailing wire.  Then they would turn that 80 MM cannon around and pepper those Nazi’s asses. So don’t tell us we don’t know anything about engines, wrist pin. I bet if I said belly button, you would write a poem or essay on it for Roff? Okay, "Billy Button!" Connor, I know more about fly tying in my little finger then what you will know in the next fifty years.  I will say (for the record) you have a NICE signature as a fly tier, but what does the rest of your concerns amount too?  A waste of our valuable time because it proves nothing regarding what you know about us in America. I never, in all my life, saw anyone like you.  You jump on every subject,  you offer up endless amounts of crap we all already know about and you always seem to be looking for a pat on the head. Okay.  I can do that.   Nice Connor.  Nice Connor.  Good boy, Connor. Look?  Let me put it this way.  Pick one subject you don’t know anything about or ask me one question you don’t know the answer too, and I’ll teach you, okay? Or don’t you get the point?

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Look?  Let me put it this way.  Pick one subject you don’t know anything about or ask me one question you don’t know the answer too, and I’ll teach you, okay? Or don’t you get the point?

Here’s a topic for you George. It should be easy for you since you seem to know so much about the internet. Describe how to get non-blocking routing through a toriodal interconnect fabric of any dimension. Paul

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Exceeds $50,000 a year.  So what is the problem with paying $300 a year or

less for all the Internet Phone Time one would care to use, again, FOR A FULL YEAR without limits on amount of time. How cheap can you get? — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

Where do you get all this crap from ?   Do you hear voices or something? Did some nutcase of your acquaintance and similar persuasion, mistake you for a tree, and hammer a nail in your head?   Just what the hell is the matter with you? To date we have been treated to various spectacle as a direct result of your general ignorance and incompetence. You are a chemist who does not know the first thing about even elementary chemistry, you are a pilot who has flown non-existent planes, you are an engineer who knows nothing of the by-products of internal combustion engines, an environmentalist who uses the most wasteful possible modes of transport,  you are an expert at fly-tying, although apparently unaware of how, or even if, many materials may be obtained and used, playwriting, poetry, hunting, casting and rod-building, we wont go into that, etc etc etc . And of course you are a genius ! Even the thought of somebody like you flying around in something as complex as an aeroplane gives me the shudders, even if you were only a passenger. You have the manners of a pig, the social skills of an alley cat, the general knowledge of a house brick, literally stink of ignorance and prejudice in a host of forms, and for some weird and probably completely unknowable reason, you think you are a gentleman as well. Your only apparent genius is for making nonsensical, grammatically and otherwise, barely intelligible statements,  which invariably turn out to have virtually no foundation whatsoever. Absolutely amazing. Is there not at least some faint feeble aspect of your character which is not mean, ignorant, and nasty? Your proclamations, as far as they are decipherable, invariably bear incontrovertible witness to your ignorance. Just for your information, my phone bill is in excess of 250$ per month. Even though I have reduced my internet activities considerably. I only have a small business which I now operate completely single-handed.  It is successful, as my products and work are beyond reproach, I have not had a single customer return in all the years I have been self-employed. Not even the stuff I send  per UPS is faulted. A fact that I am extremely proud of. Doubtless UPS as well.  I work long hours at difficult and physically and mentally demanding work, and then I come on here for a bit of enjoyment and have to listen to loonies like you, who have probably never done a decent days work in their entire lives, have no discernible morals, and earn their money selling a load of awful shit, most of which they do not even understand, making various statements as if they had been handed down on tablets of stone. Perhaps I should start building rods or manufacturing floatant?   If some of the competition is indeed as lousy as its reputation suggests, then I ought to make a mint. Before you start spouting bullshit, at least make an attempt, no matter how feeble, to get some information on the subject first. What I earn is none of your business. But rest assured, I earn it. MC "The gaga continues".

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Hi Possibly head down to the everglages for a few days. Trying to plan ahead for the hols. hope to hear from someone soon. Neil

Bad idea, mosquito city. go to the west coast orthe keys. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid." …I said that

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"The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid." …I said that

You’ve not met our beloved barrister from Rowan County. A man of many talents he can, and has, combined business, fishing, being married AND getting laid. Or… he used to could. — Ken Fortenberry

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Head over to the Oak Hill area. Go by way of Merritt Island. Go to Titusville, across the causeway left to Haul Over Canal and just pick a spot somewhere on the route. Check a map of the area, you’ll see. John Popp in grass dead Sanford Fl

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Anyone know of any fly fishing areas around Orlando,  Possibly Head down to the everglages for a few days. Trying to plan ahead for the hols. hope to hear from someone soon. Neil * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free! Check with Rick at The Fly Fisherman on Orange Ave. in Orlando. HTH, R

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Hi Anyone know of any fly fishing areas around Orlando,  Possibly Head down to the everglages for a few days. Trying to plan ahead for the hols. hope to hear from someone soon. Neil * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

Check with Rick at The Fly Fisherman on Orange Ave. in Orlando. HTH, R

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "The only people who have any business fishing are  young boys and married men. Everyone else should be  out getting laid." …I said that You’ve not met our beloved barrister from Rowan County. A man of many talents he can, and has, combined business, fishing, being married AND getting laid. Or… he used to could. — Ken Fortenberry

        um, well, of course, all such activities involved the same lady, of course, like when we go on family trips to the smokys and i have to call the office.         ken, will you give me a call tomorrow, please? wayno

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Head over to the Oak Hill area. Go by way of Merritt Island. Go to Titusville, across the causeway left to Haul Over Canal and just pick a spot somewhere on the route. Check a map of the area, you’ll see. John Popp in grass dead Sanford Fl

They also have a location in Titusville, FWIW, but I’ve never been there.  I suspect Rick and the guys there know pretty much the whole area, however. R PS  John, Was over on Cedar Key last week and things where decent over there, plus it’s still cool (-ish, better than Orlando area, anyway), the rates at the inns are low this time of year and the crowds are light – us and a flyfishing! Virginia couple in a big trailered Whaler at the hotel marina.  Even got some of the last Stone claws at Charlie’s in Crystal River – yeee-uuumm!!  Kinda sorry to be back in Texas and hot as hell….<G. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Anyone know of any fly fishing areas around Orlando,  Possibly Head down to the everglages for a few days. Trying to plan ahead for the hols. hope to hear from someone soon. Neil * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free! Check with Rick at The Fly Fisherman on Orange Ave. in Orlando. HTH, R

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Hi Anyone know of any fly fishing areas around Orlando,  Possibly Head down to the everglages for a few days. Trying to plan ahead for the hols. hope to hear from someone soon. Neil * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Dear Jim, Welcome to the group. I wish I had any advice for you, alas, all I can offer are cyber-hugs and the belief that someone else here will have some useful information. This is a great group, they’ve all helped me a lot! Alex

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

Jim, It’s time to go "doctor shopping" in your area. You have the absolute right to have "effective" medications prescribed to you for your condition. Your story makes me furious! Others here may have some suggestions, but when all else fails, you can call a pharmacist and merely ask if he/she knows a local doctor who is "liberal" with pain medications. Good Luck, RxMan

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hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Welcome to the group Jim.  I felt so bad when I read your post.  I know it doesn’t help much but many of us have been in your situation before.  I myself was just a few months ago.  I was finally referred to a pain clinic that teaches all sorts of coping along with using medication to control my pain. They also have me in physical therapy and counseling.  I’ve been going 8 hours every Wed.   I had no idea a place like that was out there until I kept switching doctor and finally found one that referred me to this place.  Don’t give up!  There has got to be a place out there for you.  I know how discouraged you must be and so do many of us.  Please feel free to rant and rave and vent here as much as you need if it helps.  Be careful with lots of OTC meds, it may be your only relief although minimal, but it can lead to lots of problems at high dosages and some have found it to cause rebounds. Take care I sure hope you’re feeling OK today anyway. Stephanie in OR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Jim, Welcome!  You have my sympathies.  What a tough situation…I can’t even imagine. I’m sure that someone in the group can help you.  Good luck. Dawn

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I can really relate…..(As I posted earlier) I was just told this week that my PCP will no longer give me pain meds and that I need to "tough" out my migraines.  To me, that is unacceptable.  Doctor shopping is hard…to date, I have now seen 15 doctors (in 8 years)- all referring me on to another, but I think it’s well worth it when the right one is found. I really just want to welcome you to the ng…and hopefully give you some of the support it’s given me. -Erin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Hi Jim, Just wanted to say welcome to the group.  Sorry you’re having such a rough time right now with doctors and pain meds.  I’m not sure what to advise, but I know others will help you if they can. Take care, Fiona May yer lum aye reek wi’ other folks coal (Scottish)

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I use to say that I didn’t know anyone who I disliked bad enough to wish a migraine attack upon,, I have changed my mind in that regard,,every person in the DEA and every single doctor should have to endure one of the 3 week straight migraines that I have and a lot of you have had to live with,,and I bet a lot of things would be different for all of us.

I completely agree.   Sometimes I even think that the people who say, "Oh, you get headaches?  Headaches are nothing …. Just take some asprin"  should really experience the type of "headache" that I get – The kind that even a high dose of Demerol and a couple of Vicodin won’t kick.  Thank the gods that I finally found a migraine doc – and at Kaiser, no less!   Pain free days and nights to u all

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Dotty, Could it possibly be Dr. Neal Barnard’s book, "Foods that Fight Pain"?  Just read an article on it. Mona T.

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I think your best bet is to call the radio station and ask them. diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

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Jim,     Welcome to the group.  I hate to hear of stories like yours!  It is so aggrivating!. I agree wtiht he others, it is probably time to find a new doctor.  I hope you find a good doctor very soon.   Take care, Jackie K

Jackie and everyone else , I should have known what this Dr was going to be like when I saw the certificates on the wall from the US Army,,but the Dr. that I had been going to who was pretty understanding when it came to pain had retired and this was the only Dr. I could get in to see without a 3 week advance appointment ,, others have warned about being carefull with OTC medications,,boy do I know that,, I now have an active ulcer directly caused by too many years of too much Ibuprfen,,I have asked the neurologist (again) at the Mayo Clinic (40 miles away for me) to refer me to the Pain Clinic,at Rochester Methodist Hospital,,that is where he said he was going to refer me when I last spoke with him but instead I got sent to the Pain Managment Center,, a completely different type of place, but his secretary says that he will be out of the country for the next 3 weeks,,by shorty after that I should be getting some pain relief as a follow up to the surgery I am going to be having to repair a bone spur and a torn rotator cuff in my shoulder,,,if I would have known I was going to live this long I would have taken much better care of myself,, I use to say that I didn’t know anyone who I disliked bad enough to wish a migraine attack upon,, I have changed my mind in that regard,,every person in the DEA and every single doctor should have to endure one of the 3 week straight migraines that I have and a lot of you have had to live with,,and I bet a lot of things would be different for all of us. Jim Peterson aka Bear

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I amnot sure which book you are talking about but if you go to my migraine page : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/7379/migraine.html you can check out some books on migraine….I think there are over 50 of them. Karen Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

– You Are Not Alone http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/7379/karen.html

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Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

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Jim,      Welcome to the group.  I hate to hear of stories like yours!  It is so aggrivating!. I agree wtiht he others, it is probably time to find a new doctor.  I hope you find a good doctor very soon.   Take care, Jackie K

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I have a  book  by Henry Van Dyke, entitled " Fishermans Dream", 1906 model with gold trout on the cover. This book is in excellent conditon, what is it worth? and who would buy it? Thanks, Jerry

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I have a  book  by Henry Van Dyke, entitled " Fishermans Dream", 1906 model with gold trout on the cover. This book is in excellent conditon, what is it worth? and who would buy it? Thanks, Jerry

Recheck the title. Sounds like you’re talking about one of the many editions of "Fishermans Luck" (1899) by that author- a $20-$25 (retail) item a few years back when I was into this sort of stuff.                                 Ray

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Several fly fishing books for sale from my collection.  E-Mail me for a listing of books with prices. JWTrout

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Hi Fisherfolks! One of my friends is going to a family reunion near Charma, New Mexico. He says the Brazos River is near there. He would like to try fly-fishing again while he is there. He used to flyfish as a kid, but let it go as an adult, and would like to find a guide who can help him get reacquainted (sp?) with it. Can anyone help with this? Please E-mail me your response. Thanks for the help! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

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Hi Fisherfolks! One of my friends is going to a family reunion near Charma, New Mexico. He says the Brazos River is near there. He would like to try fly-fishing again while he is there. He used to flyfish as a kid, but let it go as an adult, and would like to find a guide who can help him get reacquainted (sp?) with it. Can anyone help with this? Please E-mail me your response. Thanks for the help! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

Hi Steve I recently fished there and the fishing was good. I didn’t use a guide but I’m sure you can find a guide by clicking on my web page and then on the fishing reports. There is a whole section on New Mexico. From there it’s just a matter of checking the different report and the organizations who supply them. Good luck & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Hi Fisherfolks! One of my friends is going to a family reunion near Charma, New Mexico. He says the Brazos River is near there. He would like to try fly-fishing again while he is there. He used to flyfish as a kid, but let it go as an adult, and would like to find a guide who can help him get reacquainted (sp?) with it. Can anyone help with this? Please E-mail me your response. Thanks for the help! Steve Rosenblum Ann Arbor, MI

I don’t know about the Brazos but the Chama, the Rio Grande, the Cimmaron and other N New Mexico streams and rivers offer great fishing.  Your friend might contact Van Beacham at Los Rios Angler in Taos (not too far from Chama by western standards).  LRA phone number is (505)758-2798.  Los Pinos in Albaquerque (505) 884-7501 or High Desert Angler in Sanat Fe (505) 98 TROUT –don’t you hate look for those letters?– might be able to suggest or provide guides.  The book Flyfishing in Northern New Mexico is great if you friend doesn’t really need a guide. John

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I lived in Ames (40 miles north of Des Moines) for 3 1/2 years. Forget about finding any trout near Des Moines. There are many small lakes and ponds with good bluegill fishing. Try a small popper or grasshopper imitation late in the day. Dave.

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I shall be comming over from the UK to DES MOINES, IOWA in July 96. What I want to know is, should I bring my rod? Is there any fly fishing to be had in this area or do I have to travel a little further out? Any suggestions for places to fish most welcome.

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I shall be comming over from the UK to DES MOINES, IOWA in July 96. What I want to know is, should I bring my rod? Is there any fly fishing to be had in this area or do I have to travel a little further out? Any suggestions for places to fish most welcome.

ABSOLUTELY!!! Iowa has some of the finest untapped fly fishing in the Midwest. The Iowa Department of Natural Resources stocks trout from April to November. The season is open year round. Many streams have wild populations and several have wild populations returning do to the stocking and management programs of the Iowa DNR. I live in the eastern part of the state (Iowa City), so I am not extremely familiar with the Des Moines area fishing, but there is a shop in Des Moines that can help you. It is the Second Avenue Fly (or Tackle…I can’t remember which) Shop. The foremost expert on fly fishing in Iowa owns it. They can point you to the local hot spots and get you set up with the flies that work. And don’t limit yourself to trout. If you have never tried panfish or bass on a fly rod, you are missing two-thirds of the fun. Both are challenging and provide a great deal of entertainment. I hope that you enjoy your trip to Iowa and get a chance to wet a line. -Nick Zimmerman P.S. Licensing is in expensive compared to many states. The fee is $8.50 for a 7 day non-resident and $10.00 for a Trout Stamp….for a total of $18.50….full year non-resident is $22.50 for the license and $10.00 for the trout stamp. — Nick Zimmerman

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Planning a visit to some friends in the Bolinas/Stinson Beach area early in April.  Thought I’d take my flyrod.  Anybody have any suggestions?  I’d be interested in fishing surf or small streams or anything in between, as long as it was close to Bolinas. Thanks, David

There’s a lake in the Point Reyes National Seashore that allegedly has some trout in it (Bass Lake), although I don’t know anyone who has actually fished it. Lagunitas Lake in the Marin Municipal Water District is stocked and artificial lures, no barbs, only. Some of the other lakes in the same area attract lots of bait fisherman. No stream fishing available in the area that I know of. Surf fishing with a fly rod?  Can’t say I’ve ever seen it done, but can’t say I’ve been looking either. Closest stream fishing (steelhead) would be the Russian River. — There is no such thing as a dumb question, but there IS such a thing as a dumb answer – I’ve given some.

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Try the small gas station / fishing shop on the road between Petaluma and Bodega.  George will tell you about fishing the area -especially Tomales bay.  Look on the map for Walker Ck.- which is a misnomer, but hal local currency.  If he is in the phone book, idt will be on BOdega Hiway, I athink. He is guiding on athe Russian R as well. Regards, Cliff

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suggestions?  I’d be interested in fishing surf or small streams or anything in between, as long as it was close to Bolinas.

Depends on how close is close. . . Most of the coastal rivers/streams are not open to fishing in that area, until you get up to the Russian River to the north.  There is good quality perch fishing at that time.  There are 2 or 3 guys who work at Western Sport Shop in San Rafael who i’ve seen out there each spring.  Their number is 415-456-5454. I’d ask for Gene or Noel.  They’ve got some patterns worked up which produce pretty well.  They’re real good on the whole area, too. re: other post The Bass Lake ponds in Pt. Reyes Natl Sea Shore are fun to walk to, but pretty fishless for about the last 10 years. *                                                     *

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Quoting brande from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    <Planning a visit to some friends in the Bolinas/Stinson Beach area    <early in April.  Thought I’d take my flyrod.  Anybody have any    <suggestions?  I’d be interested in fishing surf or small streams or    <anything in between, as long as it was close to Bolinas. David – You should may be able to catch surf perch off the beaches up there. Also, Russian River is just to the north.  Not too sure of all the specifics as I haven’t lived in NorCal in quite a few years. Jim Carlisle

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Planning a visit to some friends in the Bolinas/Stinson Beach area early in April.  Thought I’d take my flyrod.  Anybody have any suggestions?  I’d be interested in fishing surf or small streams or anything in between, as long as it was close to Bolinas. Thanks, David

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Rumor has it that Jon Zeeff said: Think about it – what prevents people from doing crazy things in cars (l ride on the hood while drinking heavily)?  The answer isn’t more educati but more enforcement.

Yeah, but the annoying thing about this is the behavior of boaters who are pulled over.  Most drivers who are stopped on the road for speeding don’t complain too much because they usually know the cop has them dead to rights.  Most boaters, on the other hand, give the Coast Guard a pretty hard time… "I’m a tax payer.  I pay your salary!", "Why aren’t you out chasing drug smugglers!", "How should I know I need life preservers?", etc. -Bruce —