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<SNIP The aspiration for ‘reasonable contentment’ is one we probably all share, Mike. I’m not sure it’s been the driving force behind mankind’s most impressive achievements, though. 
War has usually been the driving force for man
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » ATTN:Newbies, Posting and lurking…
Two more: 1. This is not the USenet. Through the magic of modern technology, people from all over the world can and do post. Remember this, and try to respect it. Likely as not, your understanding of French, German, Dutch, whatever is likely not as good as their understanding of English, and in many cases, YOUR English is not as good as their English. 2. Spell-flame at your own risk. Yes, we all do it sometimes. Many drink too much and neither is liable to result in a good feeling. I have found that when I use a "mean" spellflame, I usually spell "cat" with a "k", "moron" with an "e" and spell "spell" with either 1 or 3 "L"s. Picky grammar flames usually come out, "Didt you learn nothing in skool?", but YMMV. This is not to say a good-natured ribbing re: a humorous tendency to er, lapse is bad, just be careful. Personally, I don’t like spellcheckers, but again, YMMV. TC, R
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This "guide" is strictly my opinion, and I’m sure comments will be made. As far as I’m concerned, newbies and their appropriate comments are just as welcome as anyone else’s… You are more than welcome on ROFF insofar in that being a "newbie" doesn’t make you unwelcome. What makes you unwelcome is stepping on your dick as you "walk" in. I hope this, with additions, serves as a newbie’s guide to ROFF, but it is not a FAQ. <_excellent newbie advise, (and good advise for all posters), snipped Great post; I’m keeping it for future reference. Here’s a very old newbie usenet lyric. It’s been around since at least the late 80’s. Every couple of years I have occasion to post it again. Enjoy! The Newbie’s Song (Based on the Major General’s song from "The Pirates of Penzance", Gilbert & Sullivan).
Tee Heeeeeeee….yup, purdy damn funny…… TC, R Cheers, and tight lines,
CLINK, thank ya, and back at ya… -Mark
This bring to mind something I forgot. An addition to my original post: I don’t care WHAT the LookOut Distress manual says, HTML and MIME are not welcome on much of USENET…
This "guide" is strictly my opinion, and I’m sure comments will be made. As far as I’m concerned, newbies and their appropriate comments are just as welcome as anyone else’s… You are more than welcome on ROFF insofar in that being a "newbie" doesn’t make you unwelcome. What makes you unwelcome is stepping on your dick as you "walk" in. I hope this, with additions, serves as a newbie’s guide to ROFF, but it is not a FAQ.
<_excellent newbie advise, (and good advise for all posters), snipped Great post; I’m keeping it for future reference. Here’s a very old newbie usenet lyric. It’s been around since at least the late 80’s. Every couple of years I have occasion to post it again. Enjoy! The Newbie’s Song (Based on the Major General’s song from "The Pirates of Penzance", Gilbert & Sullivan). I am the very model of a Usenet individual, I’ve information meaningless and ultimately trivial, I know the basic elements of alien biology, And all the hidden secrets of the Church of Scientology, I’ve seen "The Wrath of Khan" and every Star Trek film that followed it, I moan about my Servicecard and how the cash till swallowed it, About the laws on handguns I am sending off a counterblast, With many cheerful facts about the way you can MAKE MONEY FAST! ALL: With many cheerful facts, etc. I’ll tell you why the Japanese are taking over Panama, And why the USA is still a better place than Canada, In short, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, I am the very model of a Usenet individual. ALL: In short, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, He is the very model of a Usenet individual. I post in alt.revisionism lies about the Holocaust, I cut my .sig to twenty lines, I didn’t want to, I was forced, I really can’t believe the "Good Times" virus to be mythical, And Clinton’s raising taxes which is, frankly, bloody typical, I’ve upset several people on alt.flame, I really don’t know how, And sent a thousand business cards to Mr. and Mrs. Shergold now, I have a very poor grip of political geography, And absolutely no involvement (yet!) in child poronography, ALL: And absolutely no involement, etc. I’ve paid two-fifty dollars for the Nieman-Marcus recipe, And told the Spanish tourist’s tale about the toothbrush pessary, In short, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, I am the very model of a Usenet individual. ALL: In short, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, He is the very model of a Usenet individual. In fact, when I know what is meant by "binary" and "FTP", When I know how to decode porno JPEGs from a .uue, When I can handle HTML, Telnet, mail and IRC, And when I know the words initialised to form "http", When I have learnt what topics are acceptable in talk.bizarre, When I know more of Usenet than the tailpipe of a motor-car, - In short, when I’ve a smattering of elementary netiquette, You’ll say a better individual has never surfed the Net. ALL: You’ll say a better individual, etc. For my technical experience, although I claim to know it all Could barely serve to run the installation disk from AOL; But still, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, I am the very model of a Usenet individual. ALL: But still, in matters meaningless and ultimately trivial, He is the very model of a Usenet individual. Cheers, and tight lines, -Mark
To bad this post can’t be the first message anyone gets when they – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This "guide" is strictly my opinion, and I’m sure comments will be made. As far as I’m concerned, newbies and their appropriate comments are just as welcome as anyone else’s… You are more than welcome on ROFF insofar in that being a "newbie" doesn’t make you unwelcome. What makes you unwelcome is stepping on your dick as you "walk" in. I hope this, with additions, serves as a newbie’s guide to ROFF, but it is not a FAQ. 1. Show some level of brain activity: BAD post: "I live near water. What do I need?" Good Post: "I live near the xxxxxx River in xxxxxx, xx. It contains xxxxxxx. I’d like to spend around xxx.xx. Any suggestions?" If you intend on staying awhile, give a short bio, perhaps. You don’t have to tell the world intimate details, but the basics are nice. 2. Show a high level of good manners: BP: "You morons need to just discuss fishing, dammit" (Likely answer: "Piss off, you rude newbie") GP: "I noticed there seems to be a high level of non-fishing threads. Is this normal?" (Likely answer: "<G Yep. If friends might discuss it while going to fish, fishing, after fishing, or going home from fishing, it will likely get discussed on ROFF. And it will almost certainly stay that way.") 3. NEVER be afraid to ask a question, considering the above and below. BP: "I saw a great pattern for my water in a shop 500 miles away, but I was too cheap to spend 1.00 on it. It was called a blue or maybe a green something or another. Can any of you so-called experts tell how to tie it, and NOW, dammit." GP: "I screwed up. I saw a pattern that I think would be good on my water, and didn’t buy it. I fish for xxxxx at xxxxxx, and this fly had, best as I remember, xxxxx body, xxxxx tail, etc. Does this click with anyone? Any help appreciated." 4. This isn’t "the Internet," it is USENET, and, as far as you’re concerned, nobody "runs" it. Trying to run it by issuing "directives" to ROFFians shows how little you know about it. Further, while suggestions are generally welcome or at least tolerated, orders, edicts, and commands are generally met with, er, scorn, especially from "WebTV’ers" and unknown "aol’ers." BP: "You people need to just discuss fly-fishing. Joe Blow called me a name and I’m reporting him. What you people need is a moderator, and I am the one you need. Do it my way, or else." GP: "I can’t take it, I’m leaving." 5. If you want to dish it out, be ready to take it, and be careful here. ROFF is full of smart people with a wide body of knowledge, and you will regret expecting to "win." BP: "fuk ewe, you stoopid as i knew moore abut fishin whenn i was borned the n youll everr no. quit tesing me because im a geenis and no it all. as shakespeer said, i dont wrassel all day on st crispys battlefield, so look out when you mess with me." GP: "Your momma wears combat boots…" 6. Use care with "profanity." While there are no (well, none identified) swooning maidens with virgin ears who will be shocked, directed profanity will likely not get a good response. A _suggested_ rule of thumb, if the word "you" is involved, don’t do it… BP: "Fuck you," "You asshole," "You prick," etc. GP: "I disagree," "WHAT?!," "You gotta be kidding," A note: I realize this seems to border on "rules", but it just seems to be right. I can’t explain it, and welcome any comments, but I still offer it as my opinion. Also, never use the word "retarded" in describing someone or their ideas. I can promise that will get you enemies you REALLY don’t want. In fact, I suggest you learn to "set back" any timing adjustments you need to make. 7. No question, with enough info to answer, and politely asked, is inapproriate. 8. There are no rules. 9. Try to use common sense. We all slip up, but if you have NONE, and can’t rent, borrow, or steal some, ROFF might not be your place. 10. Yes, it HAS been discussed before, but so what? There is are sites, Deja News, www.deja.com, amongst others, that archives posts. Sometimes, it may be helpful to turn there first. This might get you get needed info "right now." 11. PETA sucks, but if you practice C and R, that will be respected, as long as you respect those who C and E. IMO, C and K, if all you do is kill, is wrong (unless control is needed for a sound reason), but C and E is just the food chain in action. 12. The "13th Floor" of ROFF. 13. IMO, blatant, non-participating SPAMMERS are fair game for what they get, but use care in blasting them, and not offending others. 14. Dive on in, welcome aboard. HTH? R
This "guide" is strictly my opinion, and I’m sure comments will be made. As far as I’m concerned, newbies and their appropriate comments are just as welcome as anyone else’s… You are more than welcome on ROFF insofar in that being a "newbie" doesn’t make you unwelcome. What makes you unwelcome is stepping on your dick as you "walk" in. I hope this, with additions, serves as a newbie’s guide to ROFF, but it is not a FAQ. 1. Show some level of brain activity: BAD post: "I live near water. What do I need?" Good Post: "I live near the xxxxxx River in xxxxxx, xx. It contains xxxxxxx. I’d like to spend around xxx.xx. Any suggestions?" If you intend on staying awhile, give a short bio, perhaps. You don’t have to tell the world intimate details, but the basics are nice. 2. Show a high level of good manners: BP: "You morons need to just discuss fishing, dammit" (Likely answer: "Piss off, you rude newbie") GP: "I noticed there seems to be a high level of non-fishing threads. Is this normal?" (Likely answer: "<G Yep. If friends might discuss it while going to fish, fishing, after fishing, or going home from fishing, it will likely get discussed on ROFF. And it will almost certainly stay that way.") 3. NEVER be afraid to ask a question, considering the above and below. BP: "I saw a great pattern for my water in a shop 500 miles away, but I was too cheap to spend 1.00 on it. It was called a blue or maybe a green something or another. Can any of you so-called experts tell how to tie it, and NOW, dammit." GP: "I screwed up. I saw a pattern that I think would be good on my water, and didn’t buy it. I fish for xxxxx at xxxxxx, and this fly had, best as I remember, xxxxx body, xxxxx tail, etc. Does this click with anyone? Any help appreciated." 4. This isn’t "the Internet," it is USENET, and, as far as you’re concerned, nobody "runs" it. Trying to run it by issuing "directives" to ROFFians shows how little you know about it. Further, while suggestions are generally welcome or at least tolerated, orders, edicts, and commands are generally met with, er, scorn, especially from "WebTV’ers" and unknown "aol’ers." BP: "You people need to just discuss fly-fishing. Joe Blow called me a name and I’m reporting him. What you people need is a moderator, and I am the one you need. Do it my way, or else." GP: "I can’t take it, I’m leaving." 5. If you want to dish it out, be ready to take it, and be careful here. ROFF is full of smart people with a wide body of knowledge, and you will regret expecting to "win." BP: "fuk ewe, you stoopid as i knew moore abut fishin whenn i was borned the n youll everr no. quit tesing me because im a geenis and no it all. as shakespeer said, i dont wrassel all day on st crispys battlefield, so look out when you mess with me." GP: "Your momma wears combat boots…" 6. Use care with "profanity." While there are no (well, none identified) swooning maidens with virgin ears who will be shocked, directed profanity will likely not get a good response. A _suggested_ rule of thumb, if the word "you" is involved, don’t do it… BP: "Fuck you," "You asshole," "You prick," etc. GP: "I disagree," "WHAT?!," "You gotta be kidding," A note: I realize this seems to border on "rules", but it just seems to be right. I can’t explain it, and welcome any comments, but I still offer it as my opinion. Also, never use the word "retarded" in describing someone or their ideas. I can promise that will get you enemies you REALLY don’t want. In fact, I suggest you learn to "set back" any timing adjustments you need to make. 7. No question, with enough info to answer, and politely asked, is inapproriate. 8. There are no rules. 9. Try to use common sense. We all slip up, but if you have NONE, and can’t rent, borrow, or steal some, ROFF might not be your place. 10. Yes, it HAS been discussed before, but so what? There is are sites, Deja News, www.deja.com, amongst others, that archives posts. Sometimes, it may be helpful to turn there first. This might get you get needed info "right now." 11. PETA sucks, but if you practice C and R, that will be respected, as long as you respect those who C and E. IMO, C and K, if all you do is kill, is wrong (unless control is needed for a sound reason), but C and E is just the food chain in action. 12. The "13th Floor" of ROFF. 13. IMO, blatant, non-participating SPAMMERS are fair game for what they get, but use care in blasting them, and not offending others. 14. Dive on in, welcome aboard. HTH? R
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » New Standard Flame Form
0] hot-damn…. i made a form! shoot, i’ll be insufferable tomorrow astream 
Come now, don’t sell yourself short, you’re insufferable now online. , - Ken
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 0] : I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague : interest. : TL : MC : — : : …. Mike You must have missed the one I cooked up and posted last year. Some of it’s a bit dated now, but a lot of it still applies You’re right Mike, I had forgotten this form but it would still work today. Some would be insulted, however, at not being included in the identity checklist. Mark Faulkner
_____ I should feel slighted Mark. ; ) Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat
hot-damn…. i made a form! shoot, i’ll be insufferable tomorrow astream waldo
well, guess i’ll be returning the curtains and fixing the flat tomorrow then <G jeff (sufferin from the insufferable)
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hot-damn…. i made a form! shoot, i’ll be insufferable tomorrow astream waldo
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 0] : I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague : interest. : TL : MC : — : : …. Mike You must have missed the one I cooked up and posted last year. Some of it’s a bit dated now, but a lot of it still applies
You’re right Mike, I had forgotten this form but it would still work today. Some would be insulted, however, at not being included in the identity checklist. Mark Faulkner
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 0] : I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague : interest. : TL : MC : — : "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the : impossible" : http://www.mikeconnor.de : : …. Mike You must have missed the one I cooked up and posted last year. Some of it’s a bit dated now, but a lot of it still applies General Purpose rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Flame Form–Check All That Apply Dear [X] George [ ] Wayne [ ] Dave [ ] Mike [ ] T-bone [ ] Ralph [ ] Ken [ ] Walt [ ] Tony [ ] Ernie [X ] Poet [ ] … [X ] ROFFian [X ] Dry Flyfisher [X ] Flyfisher [ ] Beadhead User [X ] NON-Indicator User [ ] Spinfisher [ ] Bait Chucker [ ] Cutter of Bait [ ] Uninformed Newbie [ ] Spammer [ ] Republican [ ] Democrat [X ] Capitalist [ ] Socialist [ ] Despoiler of Rivers [ ] PETA Member/AR Crank You are being flamed with torch set on [X ] Gentle Warm(n)ing [ ] Threshold of Pain [ ] Pyrolize [ ] Thermonuclear because [ ] Concerning the thread on [X ] C&R [ ] Indicators [ ] Beadheads [ ] Impeachment [ ] Tree Spiking you [ ] started it [ ] posted to it [X ] are for it [ ] are against it [ ] have no opinion on it [X ] you use Gink and Xink [ ] you don’t use Gink and Xink [ ] you’ve never heard of Gink and Xink [ ] you flamed George [X ] for advising of the availability and usefulness of Gink and Xink [X ] for well considered reasonable opinions [ ] you flamed George [ ] for spamming on Gink and Xink [X ] for outrageous crazy opinions [ ] you defended George [ ] for spamming on Gink and Xink [X ] for outrageous crazy opinions [ ] you defended George [ ] for advising us of the availability and usefulness of Gink and Xink [X ] for well considered reasonable opinions [X ] you should order a Lil’ Bastard [ ] you haven’t yet ordered a Lil’ Bastard [ ] you are coming to the ‘clave [X ] you are not coming to the ‘clave [X ] you are not supplying your share of Famous Grouse for the ‘clave [ ] Concerning a reasonable question on flyfishing [ ] you asked it [X ] you answered it well [ ] you gave an unhelpful answer/made a snide remark [ ] you dylsexic, did you even read what I wrote? [ ] you advocated having a moderator for ROFF [ ] you are against having a moderator for ROFF [X ] you shouted FISH LOVE ME! [ ] you posted HTML or binary [ ] you spammed us [ ] you posted an anonymous attack Mike — Michael McGuire Hewlett Packard Laboratories (remove x’s from email if not Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971 a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491
Mike! Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat
I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague interest.
<snip Yep. That would be the Standard Phoenix LART Form, popularized by Phoenix of news.admin.net-abuse.email. A most dangerous item, to be handled with the greatest of care. You never quite know when they’ll go off. Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?
I think C&K is better than C&R. Everybody knows that cattle ranchers are all environment-polluting welfare queens who are probably all in militias. Weighted nymphs are the only way to go. #12 wasn’t such a bad rod after all. And BTW, what’s the best floatant? Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?
….. #12 wasn’t such a bad rod after all.
You were doing so well till the slip up with the past tense. At last report, old #12 was once again corporeal and winging on its happy way to another satisfied customer.
0] : I found this form on another NG, and thought perhaps it might be of vague : interest. : TL : MC : — : "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the : impossible" : http://www.mikeconnor.de : : …. Mike You must have missed the one I cooked up and posted last year. Some of it’s a bit dated now, but a lot of it still applies General Purpose rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Flame Form–Check All That Apply Dear [ ] George [ ] Wayne [ ] Dave [ ] Mike [ ] T-bone [ ] Ralph [ ] Ken [ ] Walt [ ] Tony [ ] Ernie [ ] Poet [ ] … [ ] ROFFian [ ] Dry Flyfisher [ ] Flyfisher [ ] Beadhead User [ ] Indicator User [ ] Spinfisher [ ] Bait Chucker [ ] Cutter of Bait [ ] Uninformed Newbie [ ] Spammer [ ] Republican [ ] Democrat [ ] Capitalist [ ] Socialist [ ] Despoiler of Rivers [ ] PETA Member/AR Crank You are being flamed with torch set on [ ] Gentle Warm(n)ing [ ] Threshold of Pain [ ] Pyrolize [ ] Thermonuclear because [ ] Concerning the thread on [ ] C&R [ ] Indicators [ ] Beadheads [ ] Impeachment [ ] Tree Spiking you [ ] started it [ ] posted to it [ ] are for it [ ] are against it [ ] have no opinion on it [ ] you use Gink and Xink [ ] you don’t use Gink and Xink [ ] you’ve never heard of Gink and Xink [ ] you flamed George [ ] for advising us of the availability and usefulness of Gink and Xink [ ] for well considered reasonable opinions [ ] you flamed George [ ] for spamming on Gink and Xink [ ] for outrageous crazy opinions [ ] you defended George [ ] for spamming on Gink and Xink [ ] for outrageous crazy opinions [ ] you defended George [ ] for advising us of the availability and usefulness of Gink and Xink [ ] for well considered reasonable opinions [ ] you have ordered a Lil’ Bastard [ ] you haven’t yet ordered a Lil’ Bastard [ ] you are coming to the ‘clave [ ] you are not coming to the ‘clave [ ] you are not supplying your share of Famous Grouse for the ‘clave [ ] Concerning a reasonable question on flyfishing [ ] you asked it [ ] you answered it well [ ] you gave an unhelpful answer/made a snide remark [ ] you dylsexic, did you even read what I wrote? [ ] you advocated having a moderator for ROFF [ ] you are against having a moderator for ROFF [ ] you shouted (USED ALL CAPS!!!) [ ] you posted HTML or binary [ ] you spammed us [ ] you posted an anonymous attack Mike — Michael McGuire Hewlett Packard Laboratories (remove x’s from email if not Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971 a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491
Hey you bunch of low-life assholes, even if you don’t know anything about fly-fishing or morals and are stupid anyway I would like to do you all a favour. snip<
Well, let me set you straight on a couple points…… Oh wait. This is a contest entry isn’t it? Oops, I didn’t notice at first. <g Joe F.
Hi Wolfgang, please send my thirty marks, (or ten dollars will do), to Louies Breakfast BVD fund, this is a recognised charity, and is designed to prevent serious psychological damage to clave attendees. TL MC– "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de
Mike Connor drivels: Hi Wolfgang, please send my thirty marks, (or ten dollars will do), to Louies Breakfast BVD fund, this is a recognised charity, and is designed to prevent serious psychological damage to clave attendees.
Harumphhhhhh! Ingrates!!!!! (But send the money, Wolfie!) d;0) Dave L. (Louie’s alter ego)…
Hey you bunch of low-life assholes, even if you don’t know anything about fly-fishing or morals and are stupid anyway I would like to do you all a favour.
[deleted] You gonna tell us how to tip a sparse hackled #16 paraleptaphlebia spinner with half a red wriggler ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"
Hey you bunch of low-life assholes, even if you don’t know anything about fly-fishing or morals and are stupid anyway I would like to do you all a favour. I have a self-made unique cane rod for sale, with the serial # 1234, which I built after three days intensive study of the available material. It is perfect. I am selling this on e-bay, and in order to give all the idiots out there at least a chance of this once in a lifetime offer I have crossposted this to one hundred and twenty other news groups. First bid over ten thousand dollars gets it. If there are several bids it will be raffled, no low-lifes will be considered, unless they pay in advance, tickets cost twelve thousand dollars. As a special offer you can visit my website for nothing and talk about any personal problems you may have. This website is a public service, so don’t waste my time talking about fishing on it. I also tie perfect flies, but I am not selling any to low-lifes, so get lost, tie your own, you might even catch something on them even if they are shit, and will probably murder the fish as well. Please note all my business is conducted on this or other news groups, so that none of you lying SOB
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Willoughby River Vermont: Rainbow Spawn Run
It is starting folks….water conditions are excellent and breaking into the low 40’s. Hold on to your rods. Six fish landed yesterday by folks all between 2 and 4 lbs. Good Luck. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings
It is starting folks….water conditions are excellent and breaking into the low 40’s. Hold on to your rods. Six fish landed yesterday by folks all between 2 and 4 lbs. Good Luck. James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings
Wow: They start young in Vermont. I already weighed over 8 lbs when I was born. (sorry, couldn’t resist. I’m just jealous: most of our rivers are still frozen, and we don’t have rainbows here in New Brunswick). Brent
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Bighorn Spring Trip??
Will be heading to the Bighorn the first week of may. looking for others experiences this time of year. Also, heard there may be some type of algee released from the lake this time of year. Is this true? Is there an impact on nymphing? What else can you tell me?
Will be heading to the Bighorn the first week of may. looking for others experiences this time of year. Also, heard there may be some type of algee released from the lake this time of year. Is this true? Is there an impact on nymphing? What else can you tell me?
I recommend you contact Bob Krumm, well know Bighorn guide at and it’s condition at different times of the year. Good luck. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Salmon River Steelies
Heading for the Salmon River next week. Any info on the fishing would be appreciated. Thanks Mike
Mike writes: Heading for the Salmon River next week. Any info on the fishing would be appreciated. Thanks Mike
I can’t speak for all the Salmon Rivers of the world, but the one in New York is covered by a call to 315-298-2993 to either Dave Patrick or Malinda Barna who also keep as update under the FFBN AOL fishing conditions section. They run the excellent Altmar Smokehouse fly shop right on the river. Also Bill Fling keeps an excellent page updated at http://www.salmon-river.com Was there 2-4 May and had poor water (Very high) conditions, but with a few steelies produced on flies after a great deal of very hard work. Am returning next week. The fish are clearly in the water and nice fish too… But with 2000 cfs flowing were scattered badly and very difficult to get close to or find. Corkers are highly recommended as is a good wading staff. Small nymphs and small bright, Eztaz type flies on 5 pound long tippets … Water may be high but is exceedingly clear. Tightlines, Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va *the trout teach many, lessons*
Mike writes:
Water on the Salmon River has been high 1700 cfs or better. Fish have been difficult but some have been taken. Four fish were taken at DSR yesterday. I’d try big, egg imitations and others in bright colors. We do have a minor stonefly hatch on currently. Bill — Bill Fling Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE FAX (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353 Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353 ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’ ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’
Anyone have anything good or bad to say about the Orvis DXR anti-reverse reels??
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Sierra Backpacking spots
Does anyone know of a good place to get away for some good fly fishing? I am willing to hike 4-8 miles in order to find some seclusion and good fly angling. I’m thinking of going somewhere near the Emigrant Wilderness area early next month. If your spot is top secret, please Email me directly and I’ll use it very discretely. Thanks for the good help.
I will be going into the high country out of Kings Canyone later this month – 10,000′ and up. I inherited a fly rod & reel, and will be taking it along to experiment. I have caught a few trout with it already. I would appreciate any reccomendatiions on what works best in that area as far as fly selections. I will stock up a bit, but can’t get too carried away with gear. Thanks Brian Millin
I will be going into the high country out of Kings Canyone later this month – 10,000′ and up. <snip I would appreciate any reccomendatiions on what works best in that area as far as fly selections. <snip
Brian, This is almost too easy. You can catch fish in the high country on just about anything. Last week I had a brookie hit my strike indicator, and wouldn’t let go! The streams between lakes, and where streams enter lakes are great spots to fish, but you probably already know this. You can keep your fly selection very limited and simple. Sizes 12, 14, 16 mainly. Take along some Adams or Bi-visibles or Royal Wulffs, Gold Ribbed Hares Ear Nymphs, a Wooley Bugger or two. These fish will NOT be selective. Be sure to fish barbless, because you’ll catch way to many to keep them all, plus you want to release them fast to catch some more. Fish every little pocket and seam, cover the water thoroughly, you won’t be disappointed. Write back when you return, Bruce
Does anyone know of a good place to get away for some good fly fishing? I am willing to hike 4-8 miles in order to find some seclusion and good fly angling. I’m thinking of going somewhere near the Emigrant Wilderness area early next month. If your spot is top secret, please Email me directly and I’ll use it very discretely. Thanks for the good help.
As far as I’m concerned, the Emigrant Wilderness offers the best fishing to be found in the Sierra backcountry. I can count on rainbows and brookies in the 18" to 20" range on most of my trips now. I’ve found the key to good lake fishing is getting in the water. That plus my black wooly buggers. The only problem (or saving grace?) with the Emigrant Wilderness is that all of the worthwhile destinations begin at about the 15 mile mark. So it doesn’t offer much to the weekender. If you’ve got the time, I suggest you contact the Kennedy Meadows Resort (1-209-965-3900) for horse packing information. A pack trip is fairly inexpensive, you can get a long ways into the mountains and you can live slightly above the austere level of the shoe-buckeroo. I would be happy to help you get hooked up on a trip, as I do a bit of cooking for the pack station from time to time.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Tying » Daves's Red Fox Squirrel Nymph
Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph. A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks — gp
Why rely on second-hand responses when you can go right to the source? Go to http://www.flyfield.com on the web to the Fly and Field fly tying site. The Red Fox Squirrel Nymph is this month’s featured pattern from Dave Whitlock.
writes: Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph. A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks — gp
Taken from "Masters On the Nymph", edited by Migel & Wright, 1979 Lyons & Burford Pub. Dave’s Red Fox Squirrel Nymph – taken verbatim from Dave Whitlock, p.135. Hook: Mustad 9671, sizes 4-18 Body Weight: 6 to 10 wraps lead at thorax Thread: Black Tail: Sparse tuft of red-fox squirrel back hair, including both guard and underfur 1/2 length of hook shank Rib: Small oval tinsel Abdomen: Red-fox squirrel belly fur Thorax: Red-fox squirrel back fur (with guard and underfur included) Wingcase: Dark brown swiss straw or turkey tail Legs: Either guard hairs of red-fox squirrel back or one turn of dark partridge hackle The commercial version of this fly is typically tied with partridge hackle, synthetic dubbing and no wingcase – without a bit of red-fox squirrel in the entire fly! Good Tying, Alan Barnard Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, Ca.
Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph. A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern.
I’ve kept a copy of the original 5 page Dave Whitlock article from a "Fly Fisherman" magazine of many years ago, so here’s a word-for-word recital of same. Dave doth spake unto us, and he said: "Dave Whitlock’s *Standard* Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymph Hook: Mustad 9671 or Tiemco Nymph Hook, #2 to #18 Thread: Black or dark brown nylon Cement: Dave’s Flexament [of course! ;^)] Weight: Lead or copper wire Abdomen: Belly fur from red fox squirrel skin, may be blended with synthetic sparkle dubbing. Abdomen should be 1/2 to 2/3 of overall body length. Thorax: Back fur from red fox squirrel skin, may be blended with synthetic sparkle dubbing. Thorax should be 1/2 to 1/3 of overall body length. Rib: Gold wire or oval tinsel Tail: Small tuft of back fur from red fox squirrel skin. Tail is approximately 1/2 of hook shank length. Note: Squirrel tail hair is completely unsatisfactory for this nymph’s body or tail! Hair from the animal’s body, not the tail, must be used. That is why [he insists] on calling it the Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymph. Many tyers have confused this nymph with one of the many squirrel-tail patterns." If the argument is about the dubbing mix, Dave suggested the following: Thorax blend: Cut or shave the back hair off the skin and mix thoroughly in a small coffee-grinder-type blender. Cut yarn or synthetic dubbing into 3/8 to 1/2 inch lengths. Place the synthetic in the blender and mix it thoroughly. Now take a proper 70/30 portion of fur and synthetic and blend those together. Abdomen blend: Cut or shave the belly hair off the skin and repeat the procedure outlined above, except for the belly fur synthetic color and the 60:40 fur to synthetic ratio. Notes: – no wing case is necessary. – nymph should be tied "in the round". – thorax should be enlarged compared to the abdomen and losely wound so the guard-hair tips will radiate to simulate legs, wing cases, antenna, and gills in a fuzzy "halo" (fwiw: I use a small strip of the Velcro "hook" material glued to a popsicle stick to tease the thorax on this and similar hair nymphs). – tail has 4 or 5 guard hairs and a small bunch of underfur. Try to leave only the tan base exposed (tie down and dub over the gray base hair). – Antron sparkle yarn is great for the synthetic part of the dubbing mixes. I use their Amber Stone for the belly (abdomen) mix, and a mixture of Black, Gray, and Brown for the back (thorax) mix. Hope this settles the argument! Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp. Alpha Server Engineering < < "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)" < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Would someone mind sending me or posting their recipe for Dave’s red fox squirrel nymph. A few freinds of mine are having a lively discussion on the true pattern. Thanks
Try the Fly and Field web site http://www.flyfield.com/ Last time I looked there were detailed tying instructions and photographs. Simon Simon Lusk Fly Fishing New Zealand on the WWW http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro Department of Consumer Technology Massey University Palmerston North New Zealand
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Henry's Fork, Idaho
I only suggest Mike lawson’s if you have 1000 dollars to spend…. they are rude and won’t give you the time of day. Try Jimmy’s All seasons angler in Idaho Falls…you will get just as good information…better in my opinion and no attitude.
Hi Peter I also suggest the boys at the Hyde Drift Boat Shop in Idaho Falls 208-529-4343. They are also great and very helpful. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)
Need up to date info on the Henry’s Fork. Will be there Aug. 15, 16 & 17. Can anyone help?
I was just out in July. I suggest you go see Mike Lawson’s fly shop and ask for HELP! You will NEED IT !! rm
I only suggest Mike lawson’s if you have 1000 dollars to spend…. they are rude and won’t give you the time of day. Try Jimmy’s All seasons angler in Idaho Falls…you will get just as good information…better in my opinion and no attitude.
I am planning on fishing the Island Park area next week and wondered if anyone has any recent reports as the fishing and water conditions. At this point I have plans to fish the Henry’s Fork and Warm River. Anyone have any info please let me know Thanks in advance Robert Warren –
I am planning on fishing the Island Park area next week and wondered if anyone has any recent reports as the fishing and water conditions. At this point I have plans to fish the Henry’s Fork and Warm River. Anyone have any info please let me know
I have been maintaining a WWW Page that tracks both the flows and fishing reports for the area you are going to be in. Point your browser to: http://www.nicoh.com/flyfish/reports Matt — NICOH Net Internet Access Provider for Eastern Idaho
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Green River, WY – good place?
I’m curious, are you refering to the Green River not in Wyoming, but in Utah. The section below Flaming Gorge dam. I know the Green has its origins in Wyoming, but the best section to fish is in Utah. If so, I may be able to help. — -Bill
Hi everybody! Can anybody tell me what’s the best place at Green River, Wyoming to start fly-fishing at? What kind of fly patterns would you suggest there? What’s the best time of year to go there fishing? Any other hints about that place? Thanks a lot for your help! Claudine — Student at University of Zurich, Department of Computer Science