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Wow, poignant. Too late wise, too soon old… — XLK9 Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If time could be bartered for gold, all the treasure that I have amassed, I would give up thrice tenthousandfold, to relive some things that are past, how my heart beat when we first met. I stammered,  my knees went weak, bewitched by each gesture and word, myself hardly able to speak.

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(snippage of time grudgingly) TL MC

I can feel a great deal of empathy with that, Mike.  Conjures memories, stories of times past, stories of times to come.  Once these times have been spent, it is not time lost, but time which serves our memories again and again. Wayne to fish is human…to release Divine!!

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If time could be bartered for gold, all the treasure that I have amassed, I would give up thrice tenthousandfold, to relive some things that are past, how my heart beat when we first met. I stammered,  my knees went weak, bewitched by each gesture and word, myself hardly able to speak. Our first walks down by the river, how you were annoyed at my wishing, that instead of just walking and talking, we could linger awhile, and go fishing.

– snip — What a wonderful expose! It took me immediately to those moments back in 1962 when I was courting my lifelong partner. We have raised three children who all enjoy and appreciate the wonders of the out-of-doors. Today we still enjoy the rigors of tent camping, fishing, hiking and birdwatching. But, perhaps the greatest joy is now enjoying all of this with the newest generation. I had a chance to go fishing with my five year old granddaughter this past weekend. I was in seventh heaven and all because of the two people whose hearts shared those things that are natural. Thank you Mike. WLM

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If time could be bartered for gold, all the treasure that I have amassed, I would give up thrice tenthousandfold, to relive some things that are past, how my heart beat when we first met. I stammered,  my knees went weak, bewitched by each gesture and word, myself hardly able to speak. Our first walks down by the river, how you were annoyed at my wishing, that instead of just walking and talking, we could linger awhile, and go fishing. The first time we actually fished, and you of course, caught far more than I, I did not stage it at all, my thoughts were elsewhere, than my cast and my fly How many more such days will there be?  together, just you and me, will we walk hand in hand by the stream?  happy and laughing and free. Time

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OK, this is old, but it looks like it’s expired, so I’m going to post it here again.  40 of the 47 Page-A-Day calendars are ready for download. They never could get the 4 puzzle calendars [Bridge, Mensa, Scrabble, Chess] and the 2 web calendars [Fly Fishing, Audubon Birds] to work, so those 6 have been scrapped.  The 365 NEW WORDS A DAY works, but has a weird little problem with the pronunciation font.  They’re working on it, but I’m not going to post another update when that’s fixed. So, that leaves 40 good working calendars, and if you really don’t care about the pronunciation font, you can count it as 41.  Here’s where you can find them: http://www.page-a-day.com/downloads.html If you’re looking for a ZODIAC sign calendar, and #freeasd’ers have occasionally heard me read from them, you can find them at [for example] http://www.page-a-day.com/beta/hari.exe http://www.page-a-day.com/beta/htau.exe http://www.page-a-day.com/beta/hcan.exe I think you can see the pattern.  For a MAC version, replace the .exe with .hqx and download that instead. Each download calendar is about 2 Meg in size, unless it’s a PHOTO calendar, which is about 3 Meg.  Their servers are a little flaky and you might need to download more than once. Also, the Photo calendars only go to the end of March, but you can download the quarterly updates, and this is where you’ll find those. http://www.page-a-day.com/cars/download.html http://www.page-a-day.com/cats/download.html http://www.page-a-day.com/dogs/download.html http://www.page-a-day.com/gard/download.html <– Gardens http://www.page-a-day.com/golf/download.html <– Golf Holes I’ve had no trouble running several calendars at once. — Salt of the Earth

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OK, this is old, but it looks like it’s expired, so I’m going to post it here again.  40 of the 47 Page-A-Day calendars are ready for download. They never could get the 4 puzzle calendars [Bridge, Mensa, Scrabble, Chess] and the 2 web calendars [Fly Fishing, Audubon Birds] to work, so those 6 have been scrapped.  The 365 NEW WORDS A DAY works, but has a weird little problem with the pronunciation font.  They’re working on it, but I’m not going to post another update when that’s fixed. So, that leaves 40 good working calendars, and if you really don’t care about the pronunciation font, you can count it as 41.  Here’s where you can find them: http://www.page-a-day.com/downloads.html If you’re looking for a ZODIAC sign calendar, and #freeasd’ers have occasionally heard me read from them, you can find them at [for example] http://www.page-a-day.com/beta/hari.exe <– Aries http://www.page-a-day.com/beta/htau.exe <– Taurus http://www.page-a-day.com/beta/hcan.exe <– Cancer I think you can see the pattern.  For a MAC version, replace the .exe with .hqx and download that instead. Each download calendar is about 2 Meg in size, unless it’s a PHOTO calendar, which is about 3 Meg.  Their servers are a little flaky and you might need to download more than once. Also, the Photo calendars only go to the end of March, but you can download the quarterly updates, and this is where you’ll find those. http://www.page-a-day.com/cars/download.html http://www.page-a-day.com/cats/download.html http://www.page-a-day.com/dogs/download.html http://www.page-a-day.com/gard/download.html <– Gardens http://www.page-a-day.com/golf/download.html <– Golf Holes I’ve had no trouble running several calendars at once. — Salt of the Earth

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Why the bimini twist?

…cuz the foxtrot looks dorky? -wf

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If you aren’t worried about records, forget the bimini and fish a good tapered leader.  The bimini is a way to fish for big fish, like tarpon with a light tippit. If you are willing to fish a little heavier leader forget the bimini.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve only fished in the salt a few times but finally broke down and bought Lefty Kreh’s book on the subject.  My question is what use is the Bimini Twist?  I understand that if you are trying for a world record then you need great 100 per cent strength knots to tie in your 1 foot of "tippet class". I’m not really interested in that and I suspect the vast majority of salt water fisherman arent either…why not just tie your bite tippet on  with a surgeons knot or something? Sorry for this off topic question……now back to the Gink Wars. jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Good choice in books … My S/W Flyfishing Bible, I call it. As I understand it ( and have somewhat tested) the Bimini is the strongest knot to use "if tied properly!  I personally am a strong proponent of the "spider hitch" It is easier, smaller, and faster to tie, and I now can tee it in a few seconds…even in the dark.   I almost always use it to loop on tippet to leader on all sizes I use (5x to 20#) even in freshwater.  It supposedly is just as strong as a bimini except for shock load.  Since most of the time the rod / line absorbs the shocks it works great for me.  I have even done some testing and it usually takes a better bimini than I can tie to exceed the breaking strength of one of my spiders.  I have also performed this test with a couple of professional S/W guides biminis (in up to 20# test) and usually their bimini fails first. (or of course the unknotted line in the middle. If you want to give it a try I think the knot is listed in Lefty’s book. Usually they show this knot being tied using a finger or thumb as the "guide" to wrap around. I have had better luck using a small object like a toothpick or hemostats.  After some practice it can easily be tied with no tools by looping the line "between" the thumb and forefinger with no tools. Like the bimini this knot’s real purpose it to double the line and use the loop lines to tie another knot to something… or to make a doubled loop.  I use a lot of loops and normally just make the spiders loop, combine the lines, and tie a surgeons loop close to the spider.  This can result in a small loop of double line. (or as large as you need)  For your shock leader or bite tippet this give you a doubled line of class tippet to tie the knot with. The knot tied with the doubled line is almost always stronger than the spider, bimini, or the single class tippet.  I find the issue of attaching wire, 40# or 100# mono to any doubled 12-16 lb connection more prone to failure and problems than the class termination knot. So far I Never lost a fish due to a spider breaking. (Although I have lost lots of fish due to the line breaking between the knots (where it’s supposed to) just poor dumb bad luck….  I have lost a number of fish due to bimini knot failure. If you go with the bimini in the 20# & under size I highly recommend using pliobond or something on the final hitches.  I have seen way too many bimini’s start coming apart while fishing if they are not glued.  I even saw this once on a friends backing to flyline connection where he had used a bimini.  The really sad part is that a number of us were taught to tie our best binini’s by Stu Apte … So I guess we can’t blame the teacher!  I recall reading somewhere that it only took a few years to "perfect" a bimini and ony a couple more to perfect it on a rocking boat out in the middle of the ocean.  Maybe they were right. The real test is to always break a lot of line and knots until you are confident they as strong as the line. (or at least as strong a YOU can tie them)  I make leaders from clear Ande and use Ande tournament class line. This stuff comes in 1/4 lb spools, so I have a lot to waste. I just tie up the knots on each end to end up about 3′ outside the loops and then use a couple of chunks of cut off broom handles to hold on to and break the knots. I stand on the stick with the loop over it on one end and pull with my hands at the other until it breaks.  Just make sure you have safety glasses  on and don’t touch the line itself.  16# and up is quite violent when it breaks and can give you a nasty cut if it gets near you hands. (ah the voice of experience)  This isn’t real scientific but really help you determine the best knots that you can tie. Good luck in the salt!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve only fished in the salt a few times but finally broke down and bought Lefty Kreh’s book on the subject.  My question is what use is the Bimini Twist?  I understand that if you are trying for a world record then you need great 100 per cent strength knots to tie in your 1 foot of "tippet class". I’m not really interested in that and I suspect the vast majority of salt water fisherman arent either…why not just tie your bite tippet on  with a surgeons knot or something? Sorry for this off topic question……now back to the Gink Wars. jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Thanks so much for the advice over the bimini twist. (George and RJ). I will indeed practice a bit with the spider hitch and see if I can master that. I was fishing in the backcountry on my last trip to Latin America for snook and baby tarpon…..the fish were completely non leader tippet shy so I thought well in order not to lose’em in the mangroves and make sure I can horse’em, I’ll tie like 20 pound test on for a tippet.  I was having a ball catching 10 pound baby tarpon and small snook (and replacing the tippet every 3 or 4 fish cause the tarpon were sawing it up pretty good). However I hooked a big snook….the boat driver said "Its a big snook, Jorge….don’t let him get in the mangrove"…..the rod was an 8 weight Scott…..it was bent double and then broke a foot above the handle.   What did I do wrong there?  Is an 8 weight too lite for the backcountry?  Should I only use 10 pound tippets and depend on breaking off rather than stressing the rod too much?   It was a big snook….the boat was being pulled sideways into the mangrove and I’ll did was just hold on (in panic!). I appreciate the help you guys are giving to this beginner in the salt. Jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Most likely you dinged the rod at some time and it was weak there.  If it is a top of the line rod you can probably get it replaced.  You can also have a problem if you grab the rod above the handle cause you can change where the rod is stressed.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks so much for the advice over the bimini twist. (George and RJ). I will indeed practice a bit with the spider hitch and see if I can master that. I was fishing in the backcountry on my last trip to Latin America for snook and baby tarpon…..the fish were completely non leader tippet shy so I thought well in order not to lose’em in the mangroves and make sure I can horse’em, I’ll tie like 20 pound test on for a tippet.  I was having a ball catching 10 pound baby tarpon and small snook (and replacing the tippet every 3 or 4 fish cause the tarpon were sawing it up pretty good). However I hooked a big snook….the boat driver said "Its a big snook, Jorge….don’t let him get in the mangrove"…..the rod was an 8 weight Scott…..it was bent double and then broke a foot above the handle. What did I do wrong there?  Is an 8 weight too lite for the backcountry?  Should I only use 10 pound tippets and depend on breaking off rather than stressing the rod too much?   It was a big snook….the boat was being pulled sideways into the mangrove and I’ll did was just hold on (in panic!). I appreciate the help you guys are giving to this beginner in the salt. Jorge — Posted via Talkway – http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything ™.

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Sounds like you were using the same guide I used…. Except when he tried to tell my buddy repeatedly in excited broken  English (the fish) GO IN MANGROVE! GO IN MANGROVE!  My buddy stepped out of the boat and sank to his shoulders in the silt….. But that’s a whole different story. We were in Cancun earlier this year and used 8 & 9 wt rods on the baby (4′ ) tarpon we found there & didn’t have any rod strength problems. I was using Sage Rplx’s and my buddy was using the Orvis and Fenwick HMG’s…  The tarpon action was hot and we ended up using straight 40# leaders when the all the premade tippets ran out….and still managed to break off a fair number of fish! (the folks at Sage are probably cringing if they read this! Sorry to have to tell you but your story sounds like operator error.  Strong saltwater fish need to fought with the butt of the rod not the tip.  You are risking it if you bend the rod beyond 90

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a ten year old begining fly tyer. my dad gived me a fly-tying kit for my birthday but i cant seem to tie flys very well. I am hoping to get people to send me flys in the mail along with telling me how to tie them. step by step if possible tie a cuple flys stopping part way done so i can see how each part should look like. I will try to send each of you who send me anything one of my gliter worms. its like a wooly bugger with shiny stuff on it. ive caught a 2 puond rainbow trout on it in the asable river in wilmingten ny if you put a return envelope i promise to send one but i only get$2 a week allowance so if i get a lot I can only get 6 stamps so it might take a while i will email everyone a thank you and let you know how many ive got from people. my dad says I cant give my hole address but in our small town this will work L.O.W. box 72 moriah,NY 12960 If you learn how to spell you could make $2.99 a week

  Mr. Perrone, You are out of line.  The youth is a 3rd or 4th grader.  I think he did a pretty good job of getting his message across.  Other than a couple of typo’s and lack of ‘ and case, I think it’s better written than a lot of messages from fully grown people.  If he learns to send it through a spell checker, would you be happier? Even then a couple of words would slip through as they sound the same but are spelled different.  He’s saying he will send a thank you for the help.  I have nephews who don’t send a thank you for xmas and b’day presents.  I think his parents are doing a good job of raising L.O.W. from the gist of the message. Bill

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You are right.  I have a tendency to be a bit caustic with people who are careless with using the American-English language.  But it was obvious in the original post that this was a young person who was excited by fishing and getting some solid information about fly rod fishing. Adults are expected to do better with the language and communications.  The response you posted to lacked the latter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a ten year old begining fly tyer. my dad gived me a fly-tying kit for my birthday but i cant seem to tie flys very well. I am hoping to get people to send me flys in the mail along with telling me how to tie them. step by step if possible tie a cuple flys stopping part way done so i can see how each part should look like. I will try to send each of you who send me anything one of my gliter worms. its like a wooly bugger with shiny stuff on it. ive caught a 2 puond rainbow trout on it in the asable river in wilmingten ny if you put a return envelope i promise to send one but i only get$2 a week allowance so if i get a lot I can only get 6 stamps so it might take a while i will email everyone a thank you and let you know how many ive got from people. my dad says I cant give my hole address but in our small town this will work L.O.W. box 72 moriah,NY 12960 If you learn how to spell you could make $2.99 a week   Mr. Perrone, You are out of line.  The youth is a 3rd or 4th grader.  I think he did a pretty good job of getting his message across.  Other than a couple of typo’s and lack of ‘ and case, I think it’s better written than a lot of messages from fully grown people.  If he learns to send it through a spell checker, would you be happier? Even then a couple of words would slip through as they sound the same but are spelled different.  He’s saying he will send a thank you for the help.  I have nephews who don’t send a thank you for xmas and b’day presents.  I think his parents are doing a good job of raising L.O.W. from the gist of the message. Bill

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Hey Bill, I agree wholeheartedly. I just wish we had more youngsters out there with his obvious passion.I thought his post was great and had no problem understanding what he meant. The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 http://members.tripod.com/~therodmaker/index.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a ten year old begining fly tyer. my dad gived me a fly-tying kit for my birthday but i cant seem to tie flys very well. I am hoping to get people to send me flys in the mail along with telling me how to tie them. step by step if possible tie a cuple flys stopping part way done so i can see how each part should look like. I will try to send each of you who send me anything one of my gliter worms. its like a wooly bugger with shiny stuff on it. ive caught a 2 puond rainbow trout on it in the asable river in wilmingten ny if you put a return envelope i promise to send one but i only get$2 a week allowance so if i get a lot I can only get 6 stamps so it might take a while i will email everyone a thank you and let you know how many ive got from people. my dad says I cant give my hole address but in our small town this will work L.O.W. box 72 moriah,NY 12960 If you learn how to spell you could make $2.99 a week  Mr. Perrone, You are out of line.  The youth is a 3rd or 4th grader.  I think he did a pretty good job of getting his message across.  Other than a couple of typo’s and lack of ‘ and case, I think it’s better written than a lot of messages from fully grown people.  If he learns to send it through a spell checker, would you be happier? Even then a couple of words would slip through as they sound the same but are spelled different.  He’s saying he will send a thank you for the help.  I have nephews who don’t send a thank you for xmas and b’day presents.  I think his parents are doing a good job of raising L.O.W. from the gist of the message. Bill

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Personally, I’m with Perrone.  Any ten year old with a computer knows how to capitalize a letter, for god sake.  This sounds like a scam to get all you soft-hearted old-timers to send a bunch of better than store bought flies to a cheap fisherman who is laughing all the way to the river. Mike

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Personally, I’m with Perrone.  Any ten year old with a computer knows how to capitalize a letter, for god sake.  This sounds like a scam to get all you soft-hearted old-timers to send a bunch of better than store bought flies to a cheap fisherman who is laughing all the way to the river. Mike Honest to God I can’t believe people like yourself, To generalize that any 10yr. old with a computer knows how to compose a letter is ludicrous . Hell I know at least one 16yr.old on this NG that can’t

spell or punctuate correctly,not to mention all of the so-called adults who seem to have the same problem.  As far as this youngster attempting to scam anyone, If you had read his post closely you would have noticed that he was interested in learning to tie flies,he asked for instructions,and in return offered one of his own as a way of saying thanks.It is cynics & skeptics like yourself that keep society as a whole going two steps backward,while going only one step forward. Course these are just the ruminations& opinions of an aging ole rodmaker like myself. The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 http://members.tripod.com/~therodmaker/index.html

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. Regards, Bill  Remove the nospam to email

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 I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my

#8 shad rig. Bill, I think your problem is right there. Lines and knots only live so long, especially if you use them hard. I get long life from my shooting heads, but I generally re-tie my connections to start every year (when I remember to do it, that is!). Pliobond or ‘hot stuff’ glue is a fine idea to strengthen the connection, but don’t overdo it. You can make your own briaded ends easily by buying a spool of braided mono (Cortland for example) from the store, and use a needle with an eye just large enough to thread the line through, and thread the line  into itself. Saves money, which makes you more likely to change connections often. Hope that lost shooting head wraps around the prop of a scofflaw! FlyFisherRay

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. Regards, Bill  Remove the nospam to email

I always superglue braided leaders on, because I’ve had too many work their way off over the years. It is a particular problem with repeated casting of heavy flies, and with roll/spey casting. Andrew                     The History of Fly Fishing             http://www.elisis.com/Fly.fishing.history/

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I had the problem last week of losing a shooting head.  I used the factory supplied braided connector about 2 years ago on my #8 shad rig.  Are there any cures for this?  I thought of using Pliobond on the connection. I always superglue braided leaders on, because I’ve had too many work their way off over the years. It is a particular problem with repeated casting of heavy flies, and with roll/spey casting.

Better: use hard mono and tie a needle knot in the back of the head, then tie a perfection loop in the mono. Et voila! A loop that ain’t going nowhere, goop or no goop. And it won’t hinge like that friggin’ braided stuff either… Then do the same thing at the front of the head to loop on your leader. Try it/you’ll like it ;^)

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything

There are two kinds of Maine salmon fishing, for Atlantic (sea-run) salmon and for resident (landlocked) salmon.  Chances of an Atlantic salmon are very small: they run mostly in June-July.  August is the relatively poorest month for landlocks, but a reasonable prospect, best in the most distant and lightly-fished streams e.g. headwaters of the Penobscot R.  Your problem then may be travel time. Another special problem is Maine’s "trophy" regulations which (I interpreted when last there, 1994) mean that on most famous rivers you are supposed to stop fishing after landing one landlocked salmon.   A special and different place is Grand Lake Stream in SE Maine (Washington County?), a short river between two big lakes, with a couple of hotels, campsites etc.  I have not been there for 15 years, but there used to be very good fly fishing in that river all summer long, for landlocks and trout as well as bass, besides canoe-borne lake fishing too.  This might be the best place to take a visitor from overseas — if the quality of the sport is anything like it used to be…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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If you are ready to consider the province of Quebec (just north of the Maine border), I think you could easily find what you are looking for… As a starting point, I suggest you the pages "Hunting and Fishing in the province of Quebec (Canada)" http://www.ojori.com/outdoor/ehunt.htm Look particularly to the region of Gaspesia which is the closest "salmon fishing region" to Maine. Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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Emilico writes:

<<My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before. Consider Lakewood Camps on the Rapid River.  Yes, they feed you (damn well too), and the cabins are primitive (rustic?).  The fishing for landlocks is good, although August would not be my choice.  This is fly fishing only, catch and release. Phone Sue and Stan Milton at 207-243-5959.  It is about a 3 hour drive from Boston. Dave LaCourse

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I second the recomendation of Lakewood Lodge on the Rapid River. You may find it to be a bit crowded though. The Rapid has been discovered.

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.   The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0) Dave LaCourse

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.

Ain’t that the truth! ;^) The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river

I second the motion. Stan and Sue run a wonderful camp in a gorgeous location. The only down-side is the cooking is just too good (no matter how hard I wade, or how far down the Carry Road I roam, I still manage to gain more than 5 pounds in a long weekend!) Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0)

Wonderful indeed. But everyone reading this is hereby sworn to secrecy! Tell no others about this river and it may have a prayer of remaining a lovely river to visit… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.               Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus                      Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Remove the "BB" from my address to respond by email!!  < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be                     shared by my employer, etc…

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Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August.   What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy

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Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August. What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy

If you plan on fishing the bitterroot, fish in late july or august.  Our snow pack is 160% of normal and run off should last through early july.  Here is a couple of Outfitters and shops that can give you more information. Fishaus Tackle 406-363-6158 Grizzly Hackle 800-297-8996 Cross Currents 406-449-2292 If you are interested we offer flyfishing software for fishing 84 rivers in Montana, the bitterroot is included in this list.  Our software has up to date information on hatches, cfs flows, fly shops, hotle & motel information plus much more.   Here is some of the hatches you will encounter: Cinnamon Sedge, Golden Stone, Hoppers, Brown Stones, PMD’s, and Trico’s. If run off is too bad you can fish the Missouri River , it is a tail water fishery and even with high run offs the clarity is good.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Bitterroot River. When are the flows good for fishing? Would like to fish in the months of July or August. What kind of hatches should I expect to encounter? Thank in advance for any information. Fly Guy If you plan on fishing the bitterroot, fish in late july or august.  Our snow pack is 160% of normal and run off should last through early july.  Here is a couple of Outfitters and shops that can give you more information. Fishaus Tackle 406-363-6158 Grizzly Hackle 800-297-8996 Cross Currents 406-449-2292 If you are interested we offer flyfishing software for fishing 84 rivers in Montana, the bitterroot is included in this list.  Our software has up to date information on hatches, cfs flows, fly shops, hotle & motel information plus much more. Here is some of the hatches you will encounter: Cinnamon Sedge, Golden Stone, Hoppers, Brown Stones, PMD’s, and Trico’s. If run off is too bad you can fish the Missouri River , it is a tail water fishery and even with high run offs the clarity is good.

It should be noted that water is being rapidly released from behind dams on the Missouri in anticipation of major run-off..so it may be having an some impact on the Missouri as a tailwater fishery….here in Missoula we are being asked to prepare for something on the level of between a 100 year and 500 year event once the snow begins to melt…

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Bitterroot is running over 1100 cfs today. Thats not bad but it ain’t great and it has been rising (from 800 cfs on saturday). The Clark Fork is already over 600 cfs and is pretty muddy. Missouri below Holter has been around 8000 cfs for awhile now in anticipation of the melt, which by the way has NOT started yet (in earnest). In fact, it is trying to spit snow outside right now! — Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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[deleted] GOOD LUCK; they’re not for the PURIST, but they can be DEADLY on our steelhead here in BC.

Roe is a natural food source and the glo bug is an imitation of the natural.  In *NO* way is this different then an imitation of a Pseudocloen or Flavalinia. Purists (?) be damned ! ‘Pure’ly hypocritical, IMNSFHO. TimW

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I tie what I call a "golden egg" Tie in led wrap, if wanted, on a wide gap hook. Tie on orange hackle for a wet fly to match the size hook (1/0 to Tie in gold mylar cheniel at butt and wrap forward and tie off. Wrap hackle forward and tie off. Whip finish head.  This fly works great for Steelhead and Salmon in California. Have fun.   Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx There are a mulititude of different versions, the easiest is a ball of chenelle on a hook.  I use glo-bug yarn of various colors.  THe yarn is quite thick and works well.  THe basic procedure is to cut off a piece of yarn about 1 cm long.  Put the yarn over the hook, a couple of wraps and fare it like deer hair.

PERFECT instructions. Remember to use the STRONGEST thread you can find, and tie it down HARD, and I mean HARD. Then, using the SHARPEST scissors you have, grab the "parachute", pull it up, and saw the yarn off about 1/4" OR LESS from the shank. It will "flare" into a ball. REMEMBER that ALL of the material (and you don’t need much) is tied on the TOP of the hook;  there is NO material AT ALL on the bottom, at least the way I tie them, and they can be tied in about 30 seconds !!!   To get that little "DOT", I simply lay a small piece of yarn, only a few mm in diameter, on TOP of the main colour. When "parachuted", sawed and flared, that little piece becomes the dot as the ends come  up and meet. They are SO easy to tie that you’ll wonder why you had problems before. GOOD LUCK; they’re not for the PURIST, but they can be DEADLY on our steelhead here in BC. In the spring, add a little polar bear hair, seal’s fur or white ostrich plume to simlute the spent egg casings, and the cutthroat just go nuts over them  (well, at least here in BC where we have ‘Cuts and hatching salmon !!!!       ). Regards de Mikey. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You can stop here and have the simplest, quickest, who cares if you loose it fly that catches fish.  Or you can bulk it up with more wraps.   You can also trim the yarn into a small tight ball.. Some people add a little red or white etc.. to give a different look.. experiment… BTW, you used to be able to get a mixed bag of yarn with a foot of each color.. Ian

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I have recently started tying a different style of egg pattern known as the scrambled egg.  Wrap thread over the hook shank and tie a 2 – 3 inch strand of yarn to the top of the hook at the eye.  Pinch the strand between your left finger and thumb and pull your hand back towards the bend, so that the yarn slips under tension between your finger and thumb.  Pull back about 1/4 to 3/8 inch in this way, and then move your thumb and finger back up to the point where the yarn is lashed down — forming a "bubble" of yarn on top of the hook.  Wrap the thread around the shank between your fingers and the ‘bubble’.  Repeat this process three or four times, until you reach the bend of the hook, and the thread is wrapped behind the last bubble.  Now, wrap the thread forward across the rear bubble, so that the thread splits the bubble into two lateral regions, forming two bumps of yarn side by side.  Put down a wrap between the two rear most bubbles, and then move forward again, splitting the next bubble in two.  Go all the way to the front of the hook like this, so you finish with about eight ‘eggs’ side by side on top of the length of the hook.  A couple half hithces finishes it off. If you lash down two strands of yarn of different colors side by side, you can acheive a multi-colored egg cluster.  When you wrap forward with the ‘bubble splitting’ wraps, put the thread between the two colors. The attractive feature of this fly, besides the fact that it works, is that it can be tied in about 20 seconds. -Jon

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

Go to the hobby store and buy some yarn or chenile balls  in the size and color that you want.  Slid them on the hook and apply a drop of glue.  If you want take a pentel marker and add a spot of color. Pretty easy.

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

Try posting this to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — Bob Jarvis Mail addresses hacked to foil automailers!

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I have been l;ooking for instructions for my brother in law since before christmas. I would really appreciate any instructions or maybe a link to where I can find out. Thanx

There are a mulititude of different versions, the easiest is a ball of chenelle on a hook.  I use glo-bug yarn of various colors.  THe yarn is quite thick and works well.  THe basic procedure is to cut off a piece of yarn about 1 cm long.  Put the yarn over the hook, a couple of wraps and fare it like deer hair. You can stop here and have the simplest, quickest, who cares if you loose it fly that catches fish.  Or you can bulk it up with more wraps.   You can also trim the yarn into a small tight ball.. Some people add a little red or white etc.. to give a different look.. experiment… BTW, you used to be able to get a mixed bag of yarn with a foot of each color.. Ian

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I use glo-bug yarn of various colors.  THe yarn is quite thick and works well.  THe basic procedure is to cut off a piece of yarn about 1 cm long.  Put the yarn over the hook, a couple of wraps and fare it like deer hair.

I usually use 3 or 4 strands to make a real tight ball when it’s trimmed.   Also, I will make one of the strands a different color to represent the egg eye (e.g., red with salmon orange egg).  Great fish catcher! -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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Does anyone know how to tie this rascal? I use glo-bug yarn of various colors.  THe yarn is quite thick and works well.  THe basic procedure is to cut off a piece of yarn about 1 cm long.  Put the yarn over the hook, a couple of wraps and fare it like deer hair. I usually use 3 or 4 strands to make a real tight ball when it’s trimmed.   Also, I will make one of the strands a different color to represent the egg eye (e.g., red with salmon orange egg).  Great fish catcher!

That’s that way that I tie them too.  One of the other things that I’ve done is to take a few wisps of white marabou and tie them just in front of the egg.  I’m not sure if it simulates part of the egg sac or an egg that has been fertilized but it seem to work well. Someone asked about how to tie an erzats (sp/) egg awhile back and I don’t think I ever saw an answer.  I fooled around with some of that sparkle chennile that’s used in an erzats egg awhile back and just couldn’t figure out how they are done. John Fereira

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A friend of mine just found two pairs of neoprene waders in someone’s garbage.  They had been cut off at the knee with a pair of scissors, but they were cut pretty cleanly, and he has all of the the boot sections. The waders are in mint condition otherwise, and I am of the opinion that if we take them to a seamstress she could sew the legs back on and make the seam waterproof. Has anyone out there ever had to make repairs of a similar (if not so drastic) nature?  Any and all opinions/suggestions are welcome.                                 Thanks,                                 Michael Frank

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A friend of mine just found two pairs of neoprene waders in someone’s garbage.  They had been cut off at the knee with a pair of scissors, but they were cut pretty cleanly, and he has all of the the boot sections. The waders are in mint condition otherwise, and I am of the opinion that if we take them to a seamstress she could sew the legs back on and make the seam waterproof.

Hi Frank-    Clean the edges of the cut and put a liberal coat of Barge cement on each edge and allow to almost dry. Sqeeze the joint together firmly with a pair of non serrated pliers. Allow to dry for a day then paint over the seam (inside and out) with Aquaseal thinned with Cotol. The joint will be stronger than the fabric itself. DO NOT SEW!!!    Ralph —

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writes: A friend of mine just found two pairs of neoprene waders in someone’s garbage.  They had been cut off at the knee with a pair of scissors, but they were cut pretty cleanly, and he has all of the the boot sections. The waders are in mint condition otherwise, and I am of the opinion that if we take them to a seamstress she could sew the legs back on and make the seam waterproof.

DON’T SEW them together!!!  If you do they will always leak.  Any thread you use to sew with will continually open up holes in the neoprene as the waders are used..  That’s why the first neoprene waders didn’t work years ago.   Aquaseal will put the pieces back together very effectively.  Use masking tape on the inside of the leg while applying to keep the Aqua seal from coming through and you’re waders will work fine.  If you forget the tape the aquaseal will glue the insides of the legs together and you will not be able to get it apart.                          Good Luck,                                 Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools

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writes: It depends on how the sewing is done… If they are just surface sitches on one side and then glued, it helps with the strength and alignment. Sitches all the way through will cause problems.

This is true.  It is what is known as *blind stitching*  which adds great strength to a pair of waders.  Blind stitching goes through the nylon top layer into the neoprene of the first piece then into the neoprene of the second piece and back up through the nylon top layer of the second piece. However blind stitching is done with a special machine with a curved needle and to my knowledge this would be real unusual to find with a seamstress as it is unecessary to use blind stitching with "normal " clothes.  Stitching entirely through the neoprene ruins it.                                                            Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Schools

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[snip snip] in the other direction. The Blue is good as is the Frying pan but the smaller and less fished rivers and creeks of N. Co. are a true joy. The fish may not be as big but the crowds are not there and the experience is

[snip snip] they won’t be for long if this keeps up… Tim Walker

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I am going to Colorado next summer to fly fish.  Since I will be driving from West Virginia, I would prefer not to go more than 2 hours from Denver. I need advice as to the best streams to fish and possibly places to stay. I would prefer a cabin or cottage.  What about the South Platte, Fryingpan, Colorado, and Blue River? Which would be the best choice? Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for you time. Scott

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There are many good places within 2 hrs of Denver. The S.Platte is over fished and crowed with very inconsiderate fishermen. I would suggest going in the other direction. The Blue is good as is the Frying pan but the smaller and less fished rivers and creeks of N. Co. are a true joy. The fish may not be as big but the crowds are not there and the experience is much better. Pristene settings, little or no trash. Check out the high mountain lakes and streams of the RMNP. Estes Park Anglers can help with guides and places to stay in the area.

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I try and visit my some of my kids in Colo every summer.  But as you know even in late August the So Platte at Deckers was unfishable and the Arkansas as well.  But maybe this summer will be normal…. South Platte River in Deckers.  Take Rt 285 west out of Denver.  Turn Left at Pine Junction.  Follow to the bottom the the canyon.  Use 2 flies, RS-2 and Buckskin (both nymphs) size 18 or 20.  No larger than a 6X leader is mandatory.  Use a small floating strike indicator and place a very small shot about 6 to 8 inches from the fly.  The idea is to keep the nymph just off the bottom so adjusting the indicator for water depth is essential.  Fish places where slow water meets fast water like behind larger rocks.  The fish are there so make sure you work the section very well adjusting the indicator for depth.  Looking for flashing fish near the bottom that are feeding.  Flip the rig up stream and let the indicator float as naturally as possible.  Keep repeating until the indicator hesitates the slightest in the float.  Just raise up you rod tip and bingo! there’s a fish on.   If you use this method correctly you will get hook ups (gauranteed!!) the trick is to bring them to net on a 6X leader in fast water.  The regulations are flies and lures only, 2 fish per day over 16 inches.  Try just down stream from the trestle bridge at Deckers.  The technique is effective on all Colo streams.  The "Flies and Lies" fly shop in Deckers can also help in supplying you with flies. On a Saturday, you will not be alone.  But there are so many fish and so few fisherman that know the method and use it effectively , it has never gotten in my way.  I’d recommend getting there at 1st light (Say 5:30) fish unitl 1000 AM and then leave.  Return at say 6 Pm and fish until dark (9 PM).  I’ve found you can avoid a crowd this way.                                                indicator                                                                                                                                  micro shot                        (e.g. lil corkie) In the current, looks like this flow is right to left                                                                                !                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 !                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 ! I’d also suggest Tarryall Resevoir, over Kenosha Pass (RT 285 west and turn left at Jefferson) in south park.  Wade fish from shore with damsel fly/dragon fly/sonefly nymphs twitched just below the surface (long leader, 10′).  You can cast to feeding fish.  Fish the side that has the paved road frontage toward the dam (in between the stone jettys).  There is very good dry fly activity there after the sun goes down (say 7pm) and dark. (Native browns, stocked rainbows (12-14") and even some cutthroat and kokanee).  Tarryall creek (not subject to runoff) downstream from the resevoir is also pretty good (this section is now part of a private club). We have had great success on the Arkansas River down stream from Salida.  Good success fishing for Browns on brown stone fly nymphs fished close shore.  Best technique is walk down the middle and fish both shore lines.  The other 2 flies that have been good to us are the muddler minnow and the Renegade.  This stretch has the same regulations as the Deckers section of the So. Platte.  The signs this summer indicated it is now Public Lands all the way down to the bridge in Wellsville. Keep in touch, maybe we can "hook up" when I am out there this summer (I hope). Good fishin!!! Bill Althoff

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