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<nice report snipped Here, here. Very glad you established that one could in fact fly fish for SH…I was kinda worried there for a minute or two, not yet having the experience myself my interest is again restored. Thanks for the report and good luck on your next outing. K

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Seriously, congratulations Paul. Now if only certain people will stop trying to make me feel guilty about sightfishing for steelhead in my own backyard, while spinfishing Texans wearing full camo snag their limits up by the hatchery before lunchtime.

ahhh, the texan defense <G chris

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You mean you didn’t like chuck ‘n duck? Don’t understand why not? Nice to catch big fish on traditional flies – probably the most elegant fly that’s ever been used on that river. Next time, I won’t be so quick with the vacation cancellation. Peter Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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The first drift with a Green Highlander hair wing produced a viscous strike and a short battle ending in a lost fly. Tied on another Highlander and two drifts later a 34" steelhead that had to be over 20 lbs took the fly. This one I landed. My first steelie and not a bad fish either.

Way ta go Paul.   Never tried the green highlander, but now I’ll have to tie a few.  :-) Joe F.

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 Have you ever had success in Sandy Creek ?  I’ve  looked at it several times but in each case I ended  up opting for somewhere else.

Kinda curious about that myself.   I’ve been there a couple times, without success; but that could easily be because I only went because the Salmon was too high and conditions are less than optimal at Sandy as well.   I’ve heard "stories" that Sandy was good, but I don’t go often enough to have a fair opinion. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  That was a heck of a nice fish !  At 2000 cfs, what color was the water  there ?  Have you ever had success in Sandy Creek ?  I’ve  looked at it several times but in each case I ended  up opting for somewhere else.  - hoping to get there next week. Friday I opted to fish South Sandy Creek since the Salmon was still high and I was told in one of the shops that that was my best shot.

The water was fairly clear. I was able to make out fish about 30′ away in 3′ of turbulent water. I went there on the advice of the Inn keeper and one of the shops as the best chance for getting fish. However, the water temps were 56 and not much visibility. The Salmon was much clearer. South Sandy Creek should be renamed Silty Creek since there was a lot more silt than sand or gravel. I’ll post a picture of the fly that I caught the fish on when I get home tonight. Paul

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So last year was one of those trips that would be funny if it was happening to someone else. We spent two days in the upper fly zone and everyone around me was catching fish. I was standing in the water practicing my casting. Actually I was the only one who was casting. My friend comes over to see what I’m doing wrong and asks to see my setup. I have a 9wt with a sink tip and a flouro leader with 6# tippet. He chuckles and say turn the line around on the reel and fish with the running line. Tie a dropper on your line 4′ behind the fly and put these on it. Then he hands 4 large split shots. There was enough lead here that even Louie would have been disgusted. Then explains that I should flip the line on the ground behind me and then cast the line out into the river using the weight to pull the running line. That’s just about the most unethical thing I’ve ever heard of. After a few different flies I found the right one. The first drift with a Green Highlander hair wing produced a viscous strike and a short battle ending in a lost fly. That viscosity will get you every time. Seriously, congratulations Paul. Now if only certain people will stop trying to make me feel guilty about sightfishing for steelhead in my own backyard, while spinfishing Texans wearing full camo snag their limits up by the hatchery before lunchtime.

I think sight fishing is the only way to fish. It is no different then casting to a rising fish. You have located the fish because it is showing it self. You cast to it because A) you are trying to catch fish B) the rising fish gives away its location and C) it you wanted to pratice casting you could have done that on your front lawn. replace rising fish with large fish that stands out like a sore thumb and you have sight fishing. Paul

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So last year was one of those trips that would be funny if it was happening to someone else. We spent two days in the upper fly zone and everyone around me was catching fish. I was standing in the water practicing my casting. Actually I was the only one who was casting. My friend comes over to see what I’m doing wrong and asks to see my setup. I have a 9wt with a sink tip and a flouro leader with 6# tippet. He chuckles and say turn the line around on the reel and fish with the running line. Tie a dropper on your line 4′ behind the fly and put these on it. Then he hands 4 large split shots. There was enough lead here that even Louie would have been disgusted. Then explains that I should flip the line on the ground behind me and then cast the line out into the river using the weight to pull the running line.

That’s just about the most unethical thing I’ve ever heard of. After a few different flies I found the right one. The first drift with a Green Highlander hair wing produced a viscous strike and a short battle ending in a lost fly.

That viscosity will get you every time. Seriously, congratulations Paul. Now if only certain people will stop trying to make me feel guilty about sightfishing for steelhead in my own backyard, while spinfishing Texans wearing full camo snag their limits up by the hatchery before lunchtime. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Having been skunked on a few steelhead trips to the Salmon River in NY I was looking forward to this one because I was determined to catch one of these beasts. I’ve been up until the wee hours for the past month tying flies for this trip. Some of the patterns were traditional patterns, others more contrmporary and some I was experimenting. I also tied a few of the flies the friends I went with last year caught all their fish on. So last year was one of those trips that would be funny if it was happening to someone else. We spent two days in the upper fly zone and everyone around me was catching fish. I was standing in the water practicing my casting. Actually I was the only one who was casting. My friend comes over to see what I’m doing wrong and asks to see my setup. I have a 9wt with a sink tip and a flouro leader with 6# tippet. He chuckles and say turn the line around on the reel and fish with the running line. Tie a dropper on your line 4′ behind the fly and put these on it. Then he hands 4 large split shots. There was enough lead here that even Louie would have been disgusted. Then explains that I should flip the line on the ground behind me and then cast the line out into the river using the weight to pull the running line. "Silly me, we’re in the fly fishing only section so I thought we were suposed to be flyfishing". To which he replies. I can but I won’t catch anything. He was right. I did turn the line around and went 0 for 1. I had a conflict so I couldn’t make the trip this year with my friends so I was going to fish yesterday and today and Peter was going to meet me. Then they turned up the water. Flows of 750 to 1000CFS are good for wading and the river was running at 6000CFS. I called Peter and we decided that it wasn’t worth the trip. Then they cut the water back to 3500 and I was hoping that they would drop it again for the weekend. I called Peter but he had already cancelled his holiday and booked some appointments. Since fishing credits around here are use them or loose them I decided to go anyways. Friday I opted to fish South Sandy Creek since the Salmon was still high and I was told in one of the shops that that was my best shot. I spent about 10 hours working that river and all I had to show for it was a couple of small mouths and a sunburn. Granted the smallies were about 4lbs each but not exactly what I was looking for. On the way back to the Inn I called the water line for the Salmon River and the flows were being dropped to 2000CFS. I should be able to fish that. Just after sun up this morning  I went to the upper fly zone and had the place to myself.  I started going through my box of flies looking for something to interest the steelies. I was using an 8′ 6/7wt I had built using a Partridge blank with a fast sinking line and 6# flouro tippet (and NO lead). After a few different flies I found the right one. The first drift with a Green Highlander hair wing produced a viscous strike and a short battle ending in a lost fly. Tied on another Highlander and two drifts later a 34" steelhead that had to be over 20 lbs took the fly. This one I landed. My first steelie and not a bad fish either. I had six highlanders in the box and managed to loose 5 of them to fish. But I landed 2 fish the second being a 25" male. I had a couple strikes on a purple thing I tied but with the success that the highlander had. By this time it was noon and a guide and his sport showed up.  Sure enough he seems to be chucking a lot of lead into the river. The interesting thing was that he was standing where I had my first two hook-ups. Not where I was when I had the hookups but where the fly was. The guide must have told the sport that he’ld put him "on the fish" and meant it literally. The deepest I waded was ankle deep. Any deeper and I was would have been stepping on or at least spooking fish. So mission accomplished I headed out. I Spent the next 3 hours checking out the lower part of the river. It was suggested that if I went away fishing for a couple days I might bring some fish home. There were no fish to be seen in the lower streches of the river. I had saved the last Highlander to fish the lower part of the river with but never got the opportunity. I’ll tie a dozen to take with me next year. Paul

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Hi, Can anybody recommend a good quality, sturdy tackle box. It needs to be large as I have a big collection of lures and trolling paraphernalia. At the moment I end up dragging two or three smaller boxes around with me. Many thanks, Nick

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shin real hard on the hitch receiver and jump around. Steve

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"Nick C"

asks: Hi, Can anybody recommend a good quality, sturdy tackle box. It needs to be large as I have a big collection of lures and trolling paraphernalia. At the moment I end up dragging two or three smaller boxes around with me. Many thanks, Nick

I like Plano.  You can get them in sizes big enough to carry the contents of a one bedroom apartment. But, I do like two or three smaller boxes.  I fish for different species of fish, and bringing along a ton of bass stuff to fish for trout is just too much.  Now, I may keep the bass box in the car or RV, just in case, but hauling everything you own to go catch a few bluegills doesn’t work for me. I even like the little ones about as big as two packs of cigs to carry when I go for a short hike.  Big enough to carry some extra hooks, sinkers, lures, flies, etc, and go in a pocket. But I do like Plano, and for a couple of bucks, send in the deal and get your name on a real brass plate for the top.  Makes you look like Like Roland Martin.  And to really look like Roland, bang your shin real hard on the hitch receiver and jump around. Steve Illigitimi non carborundum.

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"Steve Huber"

Sorry, that was Bill Dance, "dancin" around the end of his truck.

I’ll bet that Roland has done it at least once.  Maybe not on camera. Steve Illigitimi non carborundum.

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Hi, Can anybody recommend a good quality, sturdy tackle box. It needs to be large as I have a big collection of lures and trolling paraphernalia. At the moment I end up dragging two or three smaller boxes around with me. Many thanks, Nick

This doesnt relate much to what youre talking about, but If you take advice from the guys on TV and have like 5 small boxes for each kind of fish, you will end up going fishing and sure enough there will be people catching 20lb cats all around you when you only have your bass equipment with you.  or you take a bunch of topwater stuff and the bass are biting on the bottom……man that pisses me off so buy a big box, be ready for anything…..I even carry in my little firebird 4 different fishing poles….a fly rod & reel, a spinning reel w/ rod, a baitcasting reel w/ rod, and a bug surfrod with a huge spinning reel just in case the huge carp happen to be biting.

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so buy a big box, be ready for anything…..I even carry in my little firebird 4 different fishing poles….a fly rod & reel, a spinning reel w/ rod, a baitcasting reel w/ rod, and a bug surfrod

One of those shopping carts works good to haul all the stuff. Be sure to remove the market’s name. Steve  ;-) Illigitimi non carborundum.

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Cant remember the brand..but i saw one at wal-mart ,pretty big with removable clear boxes you could fit in a pocket for hiking,quick trip etc..

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Let’s see tackle boxes … you got Kevin Van Dam on TV with a tractor-trailer load of tackle, you got Mark Sosin on TV with little Plano tackle boxes for all occasions …. sometimes a dozen boxes for some occasions, you got foot locker-sized, cig-pack-sized,  you got worm boxes, leader boxes, fresh … salt …. fly …. surf … spinning …. bait casting … I secretly suspect your question was designed to stir up this bunch of smelly ol’ anglers … and hook em good … Mission accomplished. Unless of course, you work for Plano, Flambeau or any of the other tackle box makers. By the way, I’ve been fishing for 44 years, and I only have a dozen tackle boxes … not counting the little ones.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cant remember the brand..but i saw one at wal-mart ,pretty big with removable clear boxes you could fit in a pocket for hiking,quick trip etc..

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Let’s see tackle boxes … you got Kevin Van Dam on TV with a tractor-trailer load of tackle, you got Mark Sosin on TV with little Plano tackle boxes for all occasions …. sometimes a dozen boxes for some occasions, you got foot locker-sized, cig-pack-sized,  you got worm boxes, leader boxes, fresh … salt …. fly …. surf … spinning …. bait casting … I secretly suspect your question was designed to stir up this bunch of smelly ol’ anglers … and hook em good … Mission accomplished. Unless of course, you work for Plano, Flambeau or any of the other tackle box makers. By the way, I’ve been fishing for 44 years, and I only have a dozen tackle boxes … not counting the little ones.

I mostly freshwater fish, so I have two tackle boxes, one for fresh and a smaller one for salt. When I get too much freshwater gear and outgrow my box, I transfer all my saltwater stuff into it and give the smallest one to Goodwill. I’ve gone through about 4, and my freshwater box is now at the largest size Plano you can get without having dual side opening trays. I think I’m going to be keeping my current one for awhile Cant remember the brand..but i saw one at wal-mart ,pretty big with removable clear boxes you could fit in a pocket for hiking,quick trip etc..

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[an ox and a moron snipped] jeff (awash in buffoon brains) — Ken Fortenberry

Jeffey, anyone who considers Bud one the "world’s great Pilsner Lagers" is obviously a few hops short of a full brew.   Let him have his little pretensions, it can’t hurt.  Anyway, at the next clave that’ll mean there’ll be more good beer available for the rest of us. Peter

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ken…emulating jesse helms? Nah, just settling back into ROFF and politely trying to suggest that perhaps I may not suffer fools as well as some might consider "polite". — Ken Fortenberry

"Polite" Hell! That’s just stupid! Even for the self- proclaimed "asshole" to call Budweiser a good Pilsner Lager is asinine. Beer is made with barley. Butt-Wiper is made with rice. Garbage! Before you buy.

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 go to Golden.

Colorado? waldo

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No, retriever. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  go to Golden. Colorado? waldo

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    In some parts of the world, the locals still hold to a bit of etiquette after a day of fly fishing.  I and a few of my Air Force friends had gone up to a tributary of the famous Tay in Scotland for a bit of atlantic salmon fishing.  The gillies took my partners upstream and let me off at a large pool to fish from a float tube.  Unfortunately, my partners had all the food an drink with them.  After 8 hours, I floated down to the stone gillie hut to rest and recupe.     When I arrived, I asked if there was anything to drink, I was dehydrated and starved.  One of the gillies had found two six packs of bud lite in cans floating in the river (I suspect left unsecured to cool by my friends). After being offered one, I was asked how I liked it.  Well, 12 oz. had gone down in about 30 seconds, but I honestly told the gillie that I hadn’t traveled all the way to England to drink crap American beer.     I was immediately reminded that "yurra naught in Angland lauddie!"  I was then asked if I wanted anything to chase the beer down with.  After nodding a parched acquiescence,  I was poured 4 (very widely spread) fingers of the local single malt in a tumbler from the pitcher on the table.  This "4" fingers was never allow to drop below 2 fingers and was immediately accompanied by extra sandwich halves that these fine gentlemen had left over in their rucks and accompanied by a couple of fine hours of debate on the state of flyfishing around the world from a working man’s level.  (As opposed to their standard customers in their Bently’s wearing their plus-fours).     The moral is, its not what you drink after you’ve done that day on the water, but who you spend that gentle time after with.  To quote one of these streamside philosophers:  "Thems wit da passion for a keen day of angling will always find a kindred soul on these waters."     (I hooked but caught no salmon that day.  In Scotland, the local tradition is if you catch salmon, you give the ghillie a bottle of scotch.)      In five months, I’ll retire after 22 years, 9 months in the USAF as a Master Sergeant.  I will miss it.  I’ve traveled the world and caught fish on a fly rod that to this day I’ve no clue what they were called.  But fishing is the great equalizer and fly fishing is the most universal of techniques.  I’ll especially treasure the people I’ve met, at times separated by the void of no common language but rejoined by the common love of our sport.  The old Korean gentleman with whom I sat on the rocks by the ocean as we converted my crawfish pattern into a passable shrimp and proceded to catch untold numbers of baracuda.  The German teenager who took me down to his "private" stream as we caught 10 in browns in a 5 foot wide creek.  The Phillipine town councilman with whom I spent countless hours pulling a tilapia like fish out of a swamp using a beetle fly.  The fine people from Mustad (like Ole Bjerke) that I met at the Partridge of Redditich Days in England, allowing me the opportunity to sit down to lunch across the table from Poul Jorgensen and his beautiful bride.  And others like Magnus Angus of Fly Fisherman and Fly Tyer magazine, the most beautiful flyfishing magazine in the world.     The famous and the common, the coarse and game angler, we all look forward to the gentle time after a day on the water, to heft one with "thems wit da passion."                                                             Frank Reid

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ken…emulating jesse helms? Nah, just settling back into ROFF and politely trying to suggest that perhaps I may not suffer fools as well as some might consider "polite". "Polite" Hell! That’s just stupid! Even for the self- proclaimed "asshole" to call Budweiser a good Pilsner Lager is asinine. Beer is made with barley. Butt-Wiper is made with rice. Garbage!

Uh oh. This thread has a Chernoble feel to it… /daytripper (headin’ for the bunker and taking my ales with!)

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Snip a fine story, every bit as refreshing as an ice-cold Coors after a day Good one Frank from another retired Frank.  My big regret is that I didn’t take up flyfishing until after I retired from the AF,  given all the vacation spots the AF payed me to visit.  I don’t want to think about the opportunities missed, blown away forever because my interests were elsewhere. Ah, but no real regrets either because that was 20 of the best years of my life…and the subsequent 30 years ain’t been bad either.  If you’re new to ROFF, welcome, if a long time lurker, welcome from the rest of us semi-lurkers. You must have some interesting stories to relate to us, please do, as I fear the shack-nasties have set in *big time* in this group. Besides, it’s 5 degrees outside my door right now, my fishin’ gear is gathering dust in the corner, and it seems like forever till ice-out. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED    The famous and the common, the coarse and game angler, we all look forward to the gentle time after a day on the water, to heft one with "thems wit da passion."                                                            Frank Reid

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The Mona Lisa is a classic example of a portrait done well. One can say that portraits are not my cup of tea and that I’m not particularly fond of portrait painting. One cannot say that the Mona Lisa is a bad portrait. Catch my drift ? — Ken Fortenberry- known to drink Budweiser after FLYFISHING

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budweiser is a classic example of a beer done bad… One can (easily) say that budweiser (bad beer) is not my cup of tea… i’m not particularly fond of budweiser… One can easily say budweiser is a bad beer… Catch my drift? jeff – known to drink anything other than budweiser before and after         flyfishing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Mona Lisa is a classic example of a portrait done well. One can say that portraits are not my cup of tea and that I’m not particularly fond of portrait painting. One cannot say that the Mona Lisa is a bad portrait. Catch my drift ? — Ken Fortenberry- known to drink Budweiser after FLYFISHING

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The Mona Lisa is a classic example of a portrait done well. One can say that portraits are not my cup of tea and that I’m not particularly fond of portrait painting. One cannot say that the Mona Lisa is a bad portrait. Catch my drift ? yeah, you been drinkin’ buds with asadi waldo

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Ooops! OK – you snuck by on a technicality. We’ll pick up the flag ;^)

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budweiser is a classic example of a beer done bad…

Not true, my ignorant redneck friend. Budweiser is, as a matter of fact, one of the world’s best Pilsner Lagers. It’s a little less hoppy than its eponymous predecessor from Czechoslovakia, but that’s by design. The hops are indeed real hops, not hop extract, and Budweiser is lagered for at least 32 days. One can easily say budweiser is a bad beer…

If one wishes to expose oneself as a brainwashed buffoon who doesn’t know shit from shinola about beer. — Ken Fortenberry

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Not true, my ignorant redneck friend. Budweiser is, as a matter of fact, one of the world’s best Pilsner Lagers.

there’s an oxymoron bulging in that sentence, my effete asshole pal…but you probably chose the wrong one… It’s a little less hoppy than its eponymous predecessor from Czechoslovakia, but that’s by design. The hops are indeed real hops, not hop extract, and Budweiser is lagered for at least 32 days.

nouveaux beer? One can easily say budweiser is a bad beer… If one wishes to expose oneself as a brainwashed buffoon who doesn’t know shit from shinola about beer.

"shit from shinola"…now there’s a real beer drinker’s comment!! jeff (awash in buffoon brains) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Ken Fortenberry

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"Polite" Hell! That’s just stupid! Even for the self- proclaimed "asshole" to call Budweiser a good Pilsner Lager is asinine. Beer is made with barley. Butt-Wiper is made with rice. Garbage!

Go fish. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Mona Lisa is a classic example of a portrait done well. One can say that portraits are not my cup of tea and that I’m not particularly fond of portrait painting. One cannot say that the Mona Lisa is a bad portrait. Catch my drift ? yeah, you been drinkin’ buds with asadi waldo TWEEEEEET! There’s a flag on the play! You didn’t use any OT words!! — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com Ooops! OK – you snuck by on a technicality. We’ll pick up the flag ;^)

ok, i’ve been flagged… how ’bout.. thar once was a gal, mona lisa from the lovely town of pisa all her suitors in town always wore a frown cuz they couldn’t get a pisa lisa i know…go sit on the bench. waldo, speakin of football… go jags, go bucs!

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ken…emulating jesse helms? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeffey, anyone who considers Bud one the "world’s great Pilsner Lagers" is obviously a few hops short of a full brew. Yeah, yeah. Do your homework. When you’ve read enough about beer to be in the "almost has a clue" category you will realize that Budweiser is in fact one of the world’s finest Pilsner Lagers. Golden, if you actually do deign to read a book on the subject instead of pontificating like an ignoramus, go to Golden. — Ken Fortenberry

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ken…emulating jesse helms?

Nah, just settling back into ROFF and politely trying to suggest that perhaps I may not suffer fools as well as some might consider "polite". — Ken Fortenberry

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The Mona Lisa is a classic example of a portrait done well. One can say that portraits are not my cup of tea and that I’m not particularly fond of portrait painting. One cannot say that the Mona Lisa is a bad portrait. Catch my drift ?

That Budweiser smells like 450 year old French paint and is impossible to drink, even after FLYFISHING….? R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Ken Fortenberry- known to drink Budweiser after FLYFISHING

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The Mona Lisa is a classic example of a portrait done well. One can say that portraits are not my cup of tea and that I’m not particularly fond of portrait painting. One cannot say that the Mona Lisa is a bad portrait. Catch my drift ?

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Damn Jeff, you gonna let him call you a "hoppy eponymous ignorant redneck brainwashed buffoon who expose oneself and doesn’t know shit from shinola." Waldo

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Jeffey, anyone who considers Bud one the "world’s great Pilsner Lagers" is obviously a few hops short of a full brew.  

Yeah, yeah. Do your homework. When you’ve read enough about beer to be in the "almost has a clue" category you will realize that Budweiser is in fact one of the world’s finest Pilsner Lagers. Golden, if you actually do deign to read a book on the subject instead of pontificating like an ignoramus, go to Golden. — Ken Fortenberry

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why should they…budweiser’s already done it! (make a bad beer, that is…for the hoppy eponymous among us)… jeff

I know, I know. AB does make bad beer. I myself have tasted it. It’s drek. It comes from satellite breweries in Florida and Virginia. What can I tell ya. Buy your Bud from St. Louis and check the date. — Ken Fortenberry

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…does that mean you’ll be bringin the sleemans? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [an ox and a moron snipped] jeff (awash in buffoon brains) — Ken Fortenberry Jeffey, anyone who considers Bud one the "world’s great Pilsner Lagers" is obviously a few hops short of a full brew.   Let him have his little pretensions, it can’t hurt.  Anyway, at the next clave that’ll mean there’ll be more good beer available for the rest of us. Peter

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jeff (awash in buffoon brains)

Exactly. Brainwashed, bamfoozled and full of yuppie pretense. Anything OTHER must be GOOD. Jump on the mindless bandwagon, follow the trend. I like ales. In the fall I’ll drink a wheat beer. I enjoy a good many good beers from Belgium, Germany and the Czech Republic. None of which will ever make Budweiser a bad beer. — Ken Fortenberry

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I like ales. In the fall I’ll drink a wheat beer. I enjoy a good many good beers from Belgium, Germany and the Czech Republic. None of which will ever make Budweiser a bad beer.

to quote a self-proclaimed sage: "EXACTLY"!!  why should they…budweiser’s already done it! (make a bad beer, that is…for the hoppy eponymous among us)… jeff

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um…no…but it is kinda cute, ain’t it?  i mean, when i go to the next monthly meeting of the HEIRBB (herby’s, for the acronymically challenged), i’d really be scorned if i didn’t recognize the shinola… jeff (in stecore veritas) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Damn Jeff, you gonna let him call you a "hoppy eponymous ignorant redneck brainwashed buffoon who expose oneself and doesn’t know shit from shinola." Waldo

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Does anyone have info re: the upcoming fly expo in Lisle.  I know that it’s sponsored by the Dupage River Fly Tyers (DRIFT) but am wondering if there will be industry vendors present.  Or, is it a clinic featuring DRIFT members? Thanks, Dave Before you buy.

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All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th.  I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have info re: the upcoming fly expo in Lisle.  I know that it’s sponsored by the Dupage River Fly Tyers (DRIFT) but am wondering if there will be industry vendors present.  Or, is it a clinic featuring DRIFT members? Thanks, Dave Before you buy.

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I heard from two people that last year’s show at Oak Brook was a huge flop. I’m not sure if the Lisle show is replacing the Oak Brook show.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th.  I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show. Is that the show that they usually have in Oak Brook? Joel Axelrad

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Here’s the url: http://www.steelheadsite.com/mwff_expo.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th.  I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show. Is that the show that they usually have in Oak Brook? Joel Axelrad

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All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th.  I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show.

Is that the show that they usually have in Oak Brook? Joel Axelrad

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Hello there, I’m scheduled to spend a couple of weeks near London on work assignment. I’m very interested in any advice you may have for fly fishing in this area. Any and all suggestions are welcome!! Thanks, John Erskine

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I’m scheduled to spend a couple of weeks near London on work assignment. I’m very interested in any advice you may have for fly fishing in this area. Any and all suggestions are welcome!!

Surprisingly good fishing is available near London, as many of the classic chalk streams (Test, Itchen, Bourne, Lambourne, etc.) are within a 90 minute drive west-southwest of the city in Hampshire. Isaak Walton, for example, is buried in Winchester cathedral.  There’s a small chapel where he lies, with stained glass scenes of the apostles fishing, intermixed with scenes of the master himself.  If you hit my website, address below, you can read an account of my trip last year. The problem, of course, is that virtually all of the water is private, controlled either by private land-owners or clubs.  You’ll have to at least pay a rod fee, and probably need to hire a guide, at least to begin. My fishing was arranged by: William Daniel, some of the best water in the area. Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I normally would not get involved in this type of discussion but I would like to add that Dan used the words "in his opinion" which he has a right to state.  There are many who have a different opinion.  Being curious I got out my Fly Casting With Lefty Kreh  and looked at the pictures of Lefty casting.  He is using a down locking reel seat and his hand is half way off the grip and against the reel.  Of course Lefty is definitely not an orthodox caster, but if it is good enough for him it is good enough for me. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keep up the good work,  Thos. I second that. Tom Hackmann. I agree also. Jason Schwartz .Well, it’s agreed then. The "ayes" have it. Dan can stay. We’re such a congenial group aren’t we? Dennis Loveland, CO

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OOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!! Me 2 Dan! Larry #:)#

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We’re such a congenial group aren’t we?

Well, no. But this sure is one heck of a love-fest you’re all having, ain’t it? ;^) /dave (hang in there Dan. this’ll all be over in another day or two)

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I am compelled to also respond….. Thanks for being part of this Group!!

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I must admit that I would have made some dumb (and expensive) equipment decisions without his advice!  I really appreciate it. Jay Kidwell, Ph.D. (Psychology) Instinctive Archery Insights http://w3.goodnews.net/~jkidwell/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<<: Well, no. But this sure is one heck of a love-fest you’re all having, ain’t : it? ;^) Maybe so… but I still hate that investigator guy. Dan is an Atlantic Salmon. The "investigator guy" is a sucker. Dave LaCourse

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: We’re such a congenial group aren’t we? : Well, no. But this sure is one heck of a love-fest you’re all having, ain’t : it? ;^) Maybe so… but I still hate that investigator guy. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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<<: Well, no. But this sure is one heck of a love-fest you’re all having, ain’t : it? ;^) Maybe so… but I still hate that investigator guy. Dan is an Atlantic Salmon. The "investigator guy" is a sucker. Dave LaCourse

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Hi all, I’m moving to Vermont and have to pack up my computer today.  I will be offline until the first week of August.  So, if you send me e-mail or ask questions of me and I don’t answer, I’m not ignoring you, I’m just "in transit".  Talk to you again when I get there.                         Good fishing,                               Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all, I’m moving to Vermont and have to pack up my computer today.  I will be offline until the first week of August.  So, if you send me e-mail or ask questions of me and I don’t answer, I’m not ignoring you, I’m just "in transit".  Talk to you again when I get there.                        Good fishing,                              Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

No, no! don’t go off line Dan… who can we all adore now? Seriously, good luck with the move, hope it goes smoothly.   Hurry back. — Stuart Nuttall (Replace ‘nospam’ with ‘warboyz’ to reply by e-mail)

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<<No, no! don’t go off line Dan… who can we all adore now? There’s always George. d;0)

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I am compelled to also respond….. Thanks for being part of this Group!!

        yep, i’ll have to say that every newsgroup needs at least one d. gracia, or a bill kleine, to balance the relentless efforts of louts like chaz and me.         a. wayne harrison

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   yep, i’ll have to say that every newsgroup needs at least one d. gracia, or a bill kleine, to balance the relentless efforts of louts like chaz and me.

…and let’s not forget Timbo! As if we could :^) Dennis Loveland, CO

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What a sappy freekin’ thread…jeezus…virtual male bonding for christ’s sake… Have a good move Dan-o…. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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      yep, i’ll have to say that every newsgroup needs at least one d. gracia, or a bill kleine, to balance the relentless efforts of louts like chaz and me.       a. wayne harrison

Well said Wayne, a very gracious comment, don’t forget Mr. Walker – he who calls the NG to heel over important conservation matters. — Bill

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Some posters have been complaining that you contribute nothing but thinly veiled spam to this group.  I vehemently disagree.  I find your advice is sound and apropos.  I believe that most roffers understand that you (like everyone else) have a particular perspective and even a few biases.  I also believe that most roffers admire the balance you bring to your posts; you do not insist that the universe revolves around Mt. Shasta, and you are quick to admit the virtues of non Orvis equipment. Keep up the good work, Thos.

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Some posters have been complaining that you contribute nothing but thinly veiled spam to this group.  I vehemently disagree.  I find your advice is sound and apropos.  I believe that most roffers understand that you (like everyone else) have a particular perspective and even a few biases.  I also believe that most roffers admire the balance you bring to your posts; you do not insist that the universe revolves around Mt. Shasta, and you are quick to admit the virtues of non Orvis equipment. Keep up the good work, Thos.

I second that. Tom Hackmann.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some posters have been complaining that you contribute nothing but thinly veiled spam to this group.  I vehemently disagree.  I find your advice is sound and apropos.  I believe that most roffers understand that you (like everyone else) have a particular perspective and even a few biases.  I also believe that most roffers admire the balance you bring to your posts; you do not insist that the universe revolves around Mt. Shasta, and you are quick to admit the virtues of non Orvis equipment. Keep up the good work, Thos. I second that. Tom Hackmann.

I agree also. Jason Schwartz

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Keep up the good work,  Thos. I second that. Tom Hackmann. I agree also. Jason Schwartz .Well, it’s agreed then. The "ayes" have it. Dan can stay.

We’re such a congenial group aren’t we? Dennis Loveland, CO

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Dan makes every effort to avoid spamming. He consistently gives sensible advice in response to not-so-sensible questions. -Doug Easton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some posters have been complaining that you contribute nothing but thinly veiled spam to this group.  I vehemently disagree.  I find your advice is sound and apropos.  I believe that most roffers understand that you (like everyone else) have a particular perspective and even a few biases.  I also believe that most roffers admire the balance you bring to your posts; you do not insist that the universe revolves around Mt. Shasta, and you are quick to admit the virtues of non Orvis equipment. Keep up the good work, Thos. I second that. Tom Hackmann.

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My step-dad and I are going to Weaverville on Saturday for some steelhead fishing.  Any advice from recent visitors?  Lures, places, approaches? Thanks in advance.  Dave in Anderson, CA

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This is probably late advice, but I’d stay home.   The river is muddy and fishing is slow. Instead of the Trinity, I’d go over to Lewiston Lake and flyfish that area.  Or…take a drive over to the Smith River as it’s still clear enough to fish and, I understand, that the salmon and steelhead are being cooperative.  Four good updated info on the Trinity, I’d call the Eureka Fly Shop at 444-2000 or the Redding Fly Shop (I don’t have their number). Barry Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My step-dad and I are going to Weaverville on Saturday for some steelhead fishing.  Any advice from recent visitors?  Lures, places, approaches? Thanks in advance.  Dave in Anderson, CA

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[snip] Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known. [snip] Is that really you, George – or is your shadow posting again? Didn’t you recently go ballistic over someone using fly gear with bait, George? Hypocrite, George??

_______HEY MAN, give me a little slack please. How can a boy be a hypocrite at the age of 12? George — MZ

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[snip] Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known.

[snip] Is that really you, George – or is your shadow posting again? Didn’t you recently go ballistic over someone using fly gear with bait, George? Hypocrite, George??

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Steelhead in the Maumee River now?!!!  Along with the Walleye runs that have been showing up for the last 25 years?  I happen to know the Maumee River like no man alive.  I grew up on it.  Whitehouse, Waterville, Monclova, Ohio area.  Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known.  Used to club carp there.  Has a lot of drop offs in order to get out there.  Ron Kinkaid in Whitehouse Ohio knows that area even better than me because he still fishes it and you forget things over the years.  The Maumee, named because a crying Indian baby at Turkey Foot Rock was whimpering ma-me, mau-me is how it was named . . . believe it or not.  All the General Anthony Wayne Signs are of my design and invention back in 1953 – 54.  The entire bust and hat and everything.  General Mad Anthony Wayne is the logo for Anthony Wayne High School where I graduated in 1954.  Went directly from H.S. into Flight Training for the U.S.A.F.  Was the first H.S. Graduate in the United States to qualify for fighter pilot school via Chanute Air Force Base in the United States.  I’m kind of proud of that Lee. Yah, I’m an old Buckeye Bronco from Ohio, you betcha!  Used to walk to school (Monclova Grade School) along Swan Creek everyday, even in the winter.  Loved it so.  Chuck Holloway still lives on that road along Swan Creek.  Good place to hunt Wood Duck when the season was in but now not so much as it is basically only a nesting area now, all the way down to Wreckerly Road and where the old county dump used to be, where I used to shoot rats with a .22 single shot.  Great sport!  Rat hunting. Lou Klewer, the ex-outdoor editor of the Toledo Blade lived on Wreckerly Road and I bought my first and most favorite rifle and caliber from Lou. A pre-64 Model 70 in the .220 Swift, which still is my most favorite of all calibers. If God said I had to settle for only one Rifle it would be the .220 Swift.  You betcha!  (Once again) Anyhow Lee, where in Toledo do you live?  I hope this post you aren’t bored with.  You just brought back memories.  I’ll be flying into Toledo Express this spring, a few more weeks or so away.  I have a brother living in Sylvania and Whitehouse, Ohio.  Plus, I always visit Ron Kinkaid.  He lives directly a cross the road from A.W. High School. Have to run Lee.  I knew there was something about you I liked. George Gehrke — MZ — MZ

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

No Doctors or Attorneys wanted Please do not attempt to book trips with me After 20 years of outfitting I refuse to take Doc’s or Sharks Go to Montana and fish for no talent ,stupid cutthroat or Alaska,another If your looking to bilk us taxpayers for your fishing trips see above post As an American I can honestly say we are proud that you are so concerned about your continuing education that you feel WE should pay for it. Bend over America here come the Doc’s & Sharks

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Can you help a friend of mine with suggestions of where to go dry fly fishing in the Crested Butte area during the July 4th holiday period.  He is interested in both guided and wadable non-guided time.  Cutthroats and rainbows would be perfect.    Bob Jameson,  Perkiomenville,PA

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Can you help a friend of mine with suggestions of where to go dry fly fishing in the Crested Butte area during the July 4th holiday period.  He is interested in both guided and wadable non-guided time.  Cutthroats and rainbows would be perfect.    Bob Jameson,  Perkiomenville,PA

Check out the Rocky Mountain Flyfishing Center, they have very current info  http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/flyfishing/index.html I just checked and they have some good stuff on the Gunnison Basin. South of Crested Butte is Almont,  upstreasm of Almont (the Taylor River) is Taylor Reservoir.  for .4 miles from the damn is catch-release, some real hogs! Average 4.5 lbs! Also in the area is Spring Creek Reservoir and a multitude of streams. We have very high streams right now so best to call ahead: ALMONT Three Rivers Resort/Willowfly Anglers Box 339 Almont, CO 81210 (970) 641-1303 GUNNISON High Mountain Drifter 211 E. Tomichi (in the Amoco) Gunnison, CO 81230 (970) 641-4243 1-800-793-4243

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