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Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and …. are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish.

How so?

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Flys arrived yesterday!  BEAUTIFUL!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!

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I got mine yesterday.  I am really impressed with the overall quality of the tying.  A nice assortment of styles represented. Pete Collin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Flys arrived yesterday!  BEAUTIFUL!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!

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am i the only one who hasn’t received the flies?  based on everyone’s reaction, i’m assuming frank didn’t include the mutants in your swap collection <g. jeff (sleepless in carolina) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got mine yesterday.

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Mine arrived today, thanks to every tyer, great job you did! And special thanks to Frank "the magic fast" Church; seems that my flies have been early in Germany than in Carolina. I hope I will make it next year too. Best regards Wim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Flys arrived yesterday!  BEAUTIFUL!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!

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Mine arrived yesterday, forgot to post, but a hearty "Thank-you" to Frank for the great job. What a fabulous batch of well tied flies from size 22-2/0, or something like that! Thanks to all who participated!                                 Tom L

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They arrived!  Very nice work.  I am inspired. Thank you. Glenn GKT

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Thank you to Frank most of all. Glenn GKT

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Mine arrived yesterday, forgot to post, but a hearty "Thank-you" to Frank for the great job. What a fabulous batch of well tied flies from size 22-2/0, or something like that! Thanks to all who participated!                                Tom L

Flies arrived today.  Thank you Frank for organizing.  This is a fun assortment of flies, nicely done.   Over and out. Eugene K.

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Much to my acute embarrassment I have discovered the reason why the flies never arrived… they were never sent. Tans had a number of packages that day and thought she had them all sent (We mail-order out several copies of my CD a week) but she found the fly package today under the seat of her car. I can’t apologize enough for the trouble this may have caused you Frank. Anyways, I now have 45 terrorestrial dry-flies sitting here and would like to donate them as a raffle prize for the Penn Clave.. who do I send them to??? can e-mail me a snail mail addy please. remove the remove for the real address. Sincerely (A Very Embarrassed) Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this– Oh shit!  Sorry Op, I just found your package of flies…..Guts the Cat hid it under my desk and chewed all the little bits of fur and feather leaving nothing but bare hooks! Clark Reid’s flies to get here from New Zealand! Recently deposed swapmeister…

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Me too. But then I’m in Georgia right now, not Montana and won’t be home for about another week. Bummer. Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitter, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round.   jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who hasn’t received the flies?  based on everyone’s reaction, i’m assuming frank didn’t include the mutants in your swap collection <g. jeff (sleepless in carolina) I got mine yesterday.

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Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round.  

Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave

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Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round. Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave

Ditto.  The one I got and the one that Paul photographed look very good for a beginner.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Stan Gula writes: Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round. Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave Ditto.  The one I got and the one that Paul photographed look very good for a beginner.

Yeah, but don’t forget, his lovely wife Rachel tied some of them.  I betcha mine, your’s and Paul’s were tied by her.  I hear tell that the ones he tied had blood on them!   <g Dave

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Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive.

I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–

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I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–

Oh shit!  Sorry Op, I just found your package of flies…..Guts the Cat hid it under my desk and chewed all the little bits of fur and feather leaving nothing but bare hooks! Reid’s flies to get here from New Zealand! Recently deposed swapmeister…

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<< I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–   I’m whimpering quietly.  The mailbox was empty of fly swop boxes again today. I am clearly a sinner in the hand of an angry postal god. Glenn Tippy GKT

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regarding Re: Frank’s Fly Swap Flies Arrived!: E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them.

You can find the tying recipe and a little story about the Mountain Midge on a web page I do. The Url is http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html/fom9697.htm#fom11 I am very proud of this fly. It is simple, and one that I developed on my own. It was included in a book on fly patterns a few years ago, and is a pretty popular fly in our area thanks to the local flyshop owner who had me tie some 80 dozen or so for him one year. It works well during the winter fished about 18" below a yarn indicator, and also as the dropper in a hopper-dropper combination during the summer. Tim Lysyk timlysyk at shaw dot ca

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Recieved my shipment sometime last week.  They stocked the local delayed harvest waters in South Easternn PA.  Been on travel and was looking forward to coming home and fishing.  However with the rains (not to mention the cold temps) I figure I’d freeze and there were no flys in the swap that were detectable to fish feeding on the sonar mode due to zero water visibility. I liked the quality and variety of flies.  Got some good ideas for modifing designs I tie also.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive. I anxiously opened the package and dumped the contents onto the kitchet table. What a mess!  It seems that all 40 flies had begun to mutate into Hares Ears. There are some beautiful ties inspite of the partial mutation.  Once I seperated them, the mutation stopped and began to reverse itself with all except one.  It ended up looking like a pretty good Hares Ear and I can’t wait to catch a big salmon with it. <G Interesting ties: Bob Beardall’s Brassie Emerger:  That will be the first one fished and it will catch big brookies and land locks. Willi’s BWO emerger will be dabbed just upstream of some big brookies – and they will be fooled! E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them. Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and Glenn Tippy’s Alexandra Wet Fly are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish. All in all, this was a great swap.  All of the ties are wonderful.  Thanks to all, especially to Frank for putting it all together. Dave (getting ready to sit at the fly-tying bench and begin plagiarizing…..) d;0)

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good! Chris Fanning — tied with Lee Newton for the largest fly in Swap!

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good! Chris Fanning — tied with Lee Newton for the largest fly in Swap!

Mine also arrived today – a marvelous assortment of flies.  Looks like I’m going to have to get over to the ocean and try some saltwater FF so that I can try all of them. Thanks for all the work, Frank, and congratulations to all the participants. Bob Weinberger

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Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive. I anxiously opened the package and dumped the contents onto the kitchet table. What a mess!  It seems that all 40 flies had begun to mutate into Hares Ears. There are some beautiful ties inspite of the partial mutation.  Once I seperated them, the mutation stopped and began to reverse itself with all except one.  It ended up looking like a pretty good Hares Ear and I can’t wait to catch a big salmon with it. <G Interesting ties: Bob Beardall’s Brassie Emerger:  That will be the first one fished and it will catch big brookies and land locks. Willi’s BWO emerger will be dabbed just upstream of some big brookies – and they will be fooled! E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them. Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and Glenn Tippy’s Alexandra Wet Fly are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish. All in all, this was a great swap.  All of the ties are wonderful.  Thanks to all, especially to Frank for putting it all together. Dave (getting ready to sit at the fly-tying bench and begin plagiarizing…..) d;0)

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E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them.

Just a tip – copy them *before* you lose them <g. I finally got mine today as well.   I got home Friday night after a long day on airplanes & rental cars (Albany this time) to find lots of happy ROFFians posting their glee at receiving their swap booty.   Since my PO box is close to my office, not my home, I was forced to wait two whole days salivating, knowing the package was right there waiting for me.   I was already late this morning, so what’s another 10 minutes I fugure, and I stopped in the PO to claim my waiting prize. Most of the early recipients have used the superlatives; I’ll only add my concurrence.   It’s a fine lot of flies and a finer bunch of ROFFians I’m proud to be a part of.   Thanks to all (and of course, to YOFGS). Joe F. (3 months to DDFS2)

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good!

Obviously you haven’t looked deeper into the flies yet.  Watch out for my #12 fly and hope you didn’t get it.  It left here perfect but might have overheated in the big brown truck and so I’m not responsible. — Warren For Henry’s Fork Clave and Bozeman fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt Reverse email to reply

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cute Bill. I like it. Joel Axelrad

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More Beer  Having arrived at the edge of the river, the fisherman soon realized he had forgotten to bring any bait. Just then he happened to see a little snake passing by who had caught a worm. The fisherman snatched up the snake and  robbed him of his worm. Feeling sorry for the little snake with no lunch, he snatched him up again and poured a little beer down his throat and went about his fishing. An hour or so later the fisherman felt a tug at hispant leg.  Looking down, he saw the same snake with three more worms. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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As a Corporate Pilot we regularly tip the line guys & gals who give us good service….  I don’t think I have ever had anyone turn down the cash….  On the other hand if service is mediocre or poor a tip is out of the question…. Mark Captain – Falcon 50EX / Falcon 900EX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them. I do try to buy gas unless their tie down fee is high in which case I just grumble to myself and leave. I’ve had some line guys do nice things too like… 1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)… 3) Give me a ride into town. Usually it seems that the line guys who do nice stuff enjoy the planes and being around them. The guys who are only doing it for a job don’t bother. They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it…. So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much? —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos Before you buy.

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Urine my sights now pal!  ;)

Hey, I didn’t mean to piss you off! — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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Urine my sights now pal!  ;) Hey, I didn’t mean to piss you off!

Sorry, it just leaked out of me.  But, that’s all water under the bridge.  Next time I’ll be a bit more a-comode-ating. —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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Can I offer chocolate chip cookies instead of cash?

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While we never tip our line guys here in Iowa City (the one time I tried, they turned me down), we DO bring a dozen fresh donuts to the FBO every Sunday morning. And there is ALWAYS a cold one in our fridge in our hangar for them. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much? —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much?            ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g

Urine my sights now pal!  ;) —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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: Having been a former lineboy, believe me they will get over it! If you : still feel awkward, offer to take them for an airplane ride. By the time I : was old enough to legaly solo, I had stick time in 14 different types of : aircraft including Beech 18’s, 450hp Stearman, Pitts, Baron, turbo & : retract’s, all the Cessnas and Pipers, etc. I’ve taken all the line guys at SPX flying in the C140 (even on cross countries). One of the line guys at SPX just happens to be my Cessna 140 partner as well! (I can’t really call him a lineboy – he is married and four years older than me <g) — Dylan Smith, Houston TX. Flying: http://www.alioth.net/flying Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

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I never thought of it like that. That’s a really good insight, thanks for the post. Next time I’m over there (in the USA) I’m going to make sure I have some dollar bills on me. You’ve made me feel really guilty for not tipping the guy at Gainesville now! They put a red carpet out for me, and gave me a lift to the FBO in a golf buggy. I suppose that’s just me being a tight Brit (tipping is much rarer here than it is in the US). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carrying a stack of one dollar bills in my shirt pocket is just as important to me as having current approach plates, always ready to reward the guys who help me out.

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1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)…

sounds like you need a high wing <gd&r — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much?

           ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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HAHA… I love it!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much?                ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them.

Here we go again. You tip the waiters at any restraunt that doesn’t have a drive thru window, don’t you? Why wouldn’t you tip a line boy that services your aircraft that costs as much as a house? You fly out to the Bahamas and tip the crew of your chartered fishing boat handsomely, and they are just going to snort it up their nose that night. I have been on all sides of this spectrum from being the lineboy at a flight school/FBO to now being the owner/operator of a high performance aircraft (Ain’t America Great!?!?) I remember the few dozen times I was tipped (once by an aircraft thief!) when I was a lineboy. I made sure that the guys (and girl) who tipped me had their windshields washed, the ant’s nests around their tiedown spots were destroyed, if they were having a hard time starting their engine, I would get the GPU ready BEFORE they killed their battery… [snip] They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it….

[snip] Having been a former lineboy, believe me they will get over it! If you still feel awkward, offer to take them for an airplane ride. By the time I was old enough to legaly solo, I had stick time in 14 different types of aircraft including Beech 18’s, 450hp Stearman, Pitts, Baron, turbo & retract’s, all the Cessnas and Pipers, etc. Times to tip the lineboy: When he fuels the airplane and doesn’t chip the paint or spill fuel on your plane. When they give you a ride to the FBO office when you have been parked out in the boondocks. When they unload your bags from the plane while you are streching your legs after a long flight. When they run out to your plane in hurricane force wind and rain with an umbrella so _YOU_ and your passengers don’t get wet. When they tow your airplane from an area that is flooded up to the axials to a high and dry parking spot during/after a rain storm so _YOUR_ shoes don’t get soaked. Carrying a stack of one dollar bills in my shirt pocket is just as important to me as having current approach plates, always ready to reward the guys who help me out. Obligitory pilot joke: What is the difference between a pilot and a canoe?   Sometimes a canoe will tip. — dan<atlynxtel.com Spam Bait: Honk If You’ve Never Seen An Uzi Fired From A Car Window

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much? —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them. I do try to buy gas unless their tie down fee is high in which case I just grumble to myself and leave. I’ve had some line guys do nice things too like… 1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)… 3) Give me a ride into town. Usually it seems that the line guys who do nice stuff enjoy the planes and being around them. The guys who are only doing it for a job don’t bother. They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much? —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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The fishing inside the park was great when was there.  I saw two others fishing in a week. Lots of little Brookies. Crystal clear feeder brooks. Didn’t crawl way up into the high country so can’t say about that, and the only water of any size is paralleled by the main park road. Lots of easy access but you are kind of in a fish bowl as half of New Jersey drives by. But again the fishing was great.  Seem to remember some interesting water back in off the Cade’s Cove area. Don’t know why you would need a guide, just decent maps. The town itself and "Dollywood" could use a good cleaning out with a flame thrower. A real indictment of private sector greed and Babbitry. Or on the positive thinking side, it "offers many entertaining and shopping adventures" for the non-fishers in your party.  The park itself is magnificent. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up. Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!

        there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

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Can anyone help me in finding out how the fly fishings is in the Gatlinburg / Jackson Mnt. area is and the names of the streams and possibly good references on some guides !!!         there are plenty places in gatlinburg to provide you with the style of fishing you deserve.  and if you don’t find the answer there, drive east to cherokee, n.c., and they will fix you right up.

Try old smoky outfitters in Gatlinburg, The creel in Knoxville and The Little river outfitters in Townsend. I know the old smoky outfitters are online at http://thesmokies.com/oldsmoky_outfitters/

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i snapped the tip off my pm . i brought it back to orvis of boston and they gave me another right then and there.i was shocked still

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Jeff Baker: <<i snapped the tip off my pm . i brought it back to orvis of boston and they gave me another right then and there.i was shocked still Why?  Shocked that they honored their warranty?  Or, shocked that they did not send it back to the factory?  There is much bitching and moaning about Orvis on these pages, but there products are superior and their warranties unprecendented.   Dave LaCourse

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Hi Jeff, I’ve alway found the folks at Orvis to provide good service. Glad things turned out for you. Take care & … tight lines – Al Beatty Whiting Farms – Hoffman Hackle Al Beatty2

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Ditto. I use all brands of stuff and like Orvis just fine. Sometimes guys think buying stuff from Orvis is being a yuppie, meanwhile they buy gear that is more expensive from other manufacturers and think they aren’t being snobs because it doesn’t say Orvis. Viva anything that works including ORVIS, ORVIS !!

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You should have asked for a Trident.

i snapped the tip off my pm . i brought it back to orvis of boston and they gave me another right then and there.i was shocked still

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I can vouch for the Boston store. My father died and my brothers and I divided his flyfishing equipment. I took the waders in to the Boston store while traveling to see if they still had the suspenders, which were missing, and to see if the waders could be altered a little. They said no to both, but steered me to the rack and suggested I pick out a new pair. I assumed it was a version of bait and switch (no pun intended), but was shocked to discover they meant – pick out a new pair. My father was a life long Orvis customer, and I will be too. John Tesar

i snapped the tip off my pm . i brought it back to orvis of boston and they gave me another right then and there.i was shocked still

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John Tesar: Great story, John.  You will see folks on this ng bitch ‘n moan about Orvis, but their stuff is good (if pricey) and they do stand behind their product. Dave LaCourse

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John Tesar: Great story, John.  You will see folks on this ng bitch ‘n moan about Orvis, but their stuff is good (if pricey) and they do stand behind their product. Dave LaCourse

    The Orvis dealers I’ve come in contact with are to a man, pretty good people. Being of sound mind and unsound bank account, most items they sell are regretably beyond my means. I do have two reels which I ordered along with the approprate line and backing. When I received them they were all set up ready to go. The gripes I see on this NG are not about quality or service but about the clothing etc. that are in the Orvis shops. Personally "who gives a rats patooty". If that is what it takes to make a shop fiscally sound, it’s better than a "closed" sign and I can walk on by. When ever I am in an area not close to home I search out an Orvis dealer and buy the recomended fly of the day( usually in threes). I’ve yet to be disapointed.                                                              John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can vouch for the Boston store. My father died and my brothers and I divided his flyfishing equipment. I took the waders in to the Boston store while traveling to see if they still had the suspenders, which were missing, and to see if the waders could be altered a little. They said no to both, but steered me to the rack and suggested I pick out a new pair. I assumed it was a version of bait and switch (no pun intended), but was shocked to discover they meant – pick out a new pair. My father was a life long Orvis customer, and I will be too. John Tesar i snapped the tip off my pm . i brought it back to orvis of boston and they gave me another right then and there.i was shocked still

_____ I believe those waders came with a lifetime guarantee.  Yet, you are well taken care of and you should stick with those companies that make you satisfied and happy.  If the Boston Store does that for you, amen. I’d stick with them myself if I used Orvis equipment, under your circumstances.   Mr. G.

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My father died and my brothers and I divided his flyfishing equipment. I took the waders in to the Boston store while traveling to see if they still had the suspenders, which were missing, and to see if the waders could be altered a little.

Please, bury me in my waders…I’ll be a needin’ ‘em. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Please, bury me in my waders…I’ll be a needin’ ‘em.

Our pleasure. Is next Tuesday good for you? ;^)

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My father died and my brothers and I divided his flyfishing equipment. I took the waders in to the Boston store while traveling to see if they still had the suspenders, which were missing, and to see if the waders could be altered a little. Please, bury me in my waders…I’ll be a needin’ ‘em. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

_____ Tim?  Consider yourself hugged.  Wonderful reply! Mr. G.

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Please, bury me in my waders…I’ll be a needin’ ‘em. Our pleasure. Is next Tuesday good for you? ;^)

______ As a gentleman, that was uncalled for. Mr. G.

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Please, bury me in my waders…I’ll be a needin’ ‘em. Our pleasure. Is next Tuesday good for you? ;^) ______ As a gentleman, that was uncalled for. Mr. G.

Aw, c’mon Georgie! It was clearly denoted as a rib – even you should be able to pick up on that ;^) /dave

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 Please, bury me in my waders…I’ll be a needin’ ‘em. Our pleasure. Is next Tuesday good for you? ;^) ______ As a gentleman, that was uncalled for. Mr. G.

Aw, c’mon Georgie! It was clearly denoted as a rib – even you should be able to pick up on that ;^) << Hey, if that ‘hole diden’t pick up on the first ), the 2d one won’t do any good.  He probably thinks you’re going to steal one of his ribs.  After all, "denoted" is more than one syllable. Your post was perfect.  Only thing I didn’t like about it was that *you* posted it, not me. <g

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Dave LaCourse,I was just surprised of the fact that Orvis exchanged the rod when I brought it in.I’ve been using Orvis products since 1965,fishing mostly with their cane.That exchange just made me feel good, sort of bringing me back to the good old days,when we thought of a company making products for us to enjoy,never thinking how we’re getting fucked like we or I do these days, J Baker.

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good, sort of bringing me back to the good old days,when we thought of a company making products for us to enjoy, I know the feeling, friend.  They have exchanged a number of things for me, no argument, no explanation on my part.  I don’t like it – they exchange it.  I will continue to do business with them. I have been teased by friends on this NG about wearing Orvis driving shoes and driving gloves and hat, and a doggy bed for my good dawg Charlie.  It’s all in fun (I hope).  Orvis HAS gone the way of a yuppie-provider-store, but they still make fine fishin’ stuff and I will always be a customer. Dave LaCourse

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I have been teased by friends on this NG about wearing Orvis driving shoes and driving gloves and hat, and a doggy bed for my good dawg Charlie.  

And I _do_ like the bed<g. I too like Orvis products. Some of their stuff is fluff, but I have had excellent luck with their fishing gear and have some of their luggage that is probably close to 20yrs old, has been around the world (literally) a couple of times, and is still in great shape. I sure wouldn’t hesitate to buy something just because it had their logo on it, not would I buy something simply because it did. FWIW. — Charlie…

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John Tesar: Great story, John.  You will see folks on this ng bitch ‘n moan about Orvis, but their stuff is good (if pricey) and they do stand behind their product. Dave LaCourse

Hi All, Orvis, L.L.Bean, Patagonia and a few others have the reputation of taking care of their customers. Actually, if given the chance, many manufacturers will do something for you if a product does not last or doesn’t work out somehow. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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That’s real interesting!

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but don’t come for the atlantic salmon fishing – the spring season as reported in April Trout and Salmon mag. has been generally very poor with few fish caught, and a lot of excuses (none of which conceal the awful truth of a near collapse of Atlantic Salmon stocks.  Read Fly Fisherman current issue…….tight lines elsewhere guys

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Ok, this is really *our* impression of Cancun.  I am not trying to provoke any major responses to this, as it is just an opinion from our recent trip there. First of all I did actually like the beaches on/near the Omni Cancun hotel. The beaches were very nice, sand very white and soft and not hot. The water is absolutely beautiful with vivid colors of light-dark blue. Beautiful! If you are a serious beach bum you will love this aspect of Cancun.  I hear that you really need to check out the property you are interested in because some of the beaches have been washed out from past storms and the brochures do not mention that tiny fact.  Most are ok though. The second nice thing is that the bus system is GREAT.  Only 3 pesos (about 20 cents).  The buses run 24 hours a day and every 4-5 minutes.  Easy to use, and much cheaper than cabs which run a minimum of 30 pesos (3$). Now the things I didn’t like: The shop keepers at the various flea markets have very very few bargain items.  Most of the items we were interested in were expensive and the shop keepers really really tried to make you feel bad for being a "wealthy" American who "gets vacations". All in all I can get REAL bargains in Nuevo Larado (Texas/Mexico border city).  If you have LOTS of money and don’t mind turning loose of it then you might feel differently than I/we did. In general the city and resort area had a bad "smell" most places we went. There was an occasional stench that smelled like sewar water or something to that effect. This was noticed most everywhere and we weren’t really sure where it was coming from.  On those lines, when you’re traveling down a street, if you look closely you’ll notice off to the side of the roads there appears to be garbage, rubbish and various other "trash" items that are usually behind shrubs, etc… It’s as if they decided to build a road and "scraped" all the surrounding rubbish off to the side of the road and tried to hide it with shrubs. Expensive, expensive, expensive.  There are no places you can go to have fun or eat or drink without paying a premium price.  And if your hotel or club offers "happy hours" it is for them not for you.  Happy hours at our hotel and some bars are no value.  Our drinks had very little liquor in them and the prices were still high even for watered down drinks.  The only exception is beer, they haven’t found a way to water that down (I think). We also paid $10. (USD) to get into a popular disco/dance club called Christine’s.  It was nice but the drinks were expensive and small and the bar was nice but not as nice as many of our US bars.  Personally I wouldn’t recommend it for the cover alone. Last but not least is all the begging that goes on there.  The vendors are so aggressive that you can’t do or go anywhere without feeling like you’re being accosted.  Small children are just as bad as the grown up folks except a lot (not all) of the vendors will try to intimidate you into buying and if you offer them a price they act insulted and when you leave their shop they start insulting you (Coral Negro flea market). This goes on pretty much everywhere and after the first day it’s all one can do just to go somewhere without being accosted over and over. PS: We are from Texas (good mexican food) and in our opinion we did not like any of the "mexican" food there.  We ate at Senor Frogs as well and the meal was just "so-so".  All of the restaurants did not have spicy mexican food and it was pretty much bland.  I cannot recommend any place except Pat O’ Brians (Great nachos and bbq sandwich). If anyone wants further info please feel free to email me directly at:

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, this is really *our* impression of Cancun.  I am not trying to provoke any major responses to this, as it is just an opinion from our recent trip there. First of all I did actually like the beaches on/near the Omni Cancun hotel. The beaches were very nice, sand very white and soft and not hot. The water is absolutely beautiful with vivid colors of light-dark blue. Beautiful! If you are a serious beach bum you will love this aspect of Cancun.  I hear that you really need to check out the property you are interested in because some of the beaches have been washed out from past storms and the brochures do not mention that tiny fact.  Most are ok though. The second nice thing is that the bus system is GREAT.  Only 3 pesos (about 20 cents).  The buses run 24 hours a day and every 4-5 minutes.  Easy to use, and much cheaper than cabs which run a minimum of 30 pesos (3$). Now the things I didn’t like: The shop keepers at the various flea markets have very very few bargain items.  Most of the items we were interested in were expensive and the shop keepers really really tried to make you feel bad for being a "wealthy" American who "gets vacations". All in all I can get REAL bargains in Nuevo Larado (Texas/Mexico border city).  If you have LOTS of money and don’t mind turning loose of it then you might feel differently than I/we did. In general the city and resort area had a bad "smell" most places we went. There was an occasional stench that smelled like sewar water or something to that effect. This was noticed most everywhere and we weren’t really sure where it was coming from.  On those lines, when you’re traveling down a street, if you look closely you’ll notice off to the side of the roads there appears to be garbage, rubbish and various other "trash" items that are usually behind shrubs, etc… It’s as if they decided to build a road and "scraped" all the surrounding rubbish off to the side of the road and tried to hide it with shrubs. Expensive, expensive, expensive.  There are no places you can go to have fun or eat or drink without paying a premium price.  And if your hotel or club offers "happy hours" it is for them not for you.  Happy hours at our hotel and some bars are no value.  Our drinks had very little liquor in them and the prices were still high even for watered down drinks.  The only exception is beer, they haven’t found a way to water that down (I think). We also paid $10. (USD) to get into a popular disco/dance club called Christine’s.  It was nice but the drinks were expensive and small and the bar was nice but not as nice as many of our US bars.  Personally I wouldn’t recommend it for the cover alone. Last but not least is all the begging that goes on there.  The vendors are so aggressive that you can’t do or go anywhere without feeling like you’re being accosted.  Small children are just as bad as the grown up folks except a lot (not all) of the vendors will try to intimidate you into buying and if you offer them a price they act insulted and when you leave their shop they start insulting you (Coral Negro flea market). This goes on pretty much everywhere and after the first day it’s all one can do just to go somewhere without being accosted over and over. PS: We are from Texas (good mexican food) and in our opinion we did not like any of the "mexican" food there.  We ate at Senor Frogs as well and the meal was just "so-so".  All of the restaurants did not have spicy mexican food and it was pretty much bland.  I cannot recommend any place except Pat O’ Brians (Great nachos and bbq sandwich). If anyone wants further info please feel free to email me directly at:

I got the same impression last time we were there in ‘92.  The only thing I would have to add was the time share terrorists.  We would be walking along enjoying the warm breeze when out of nowhere some guy would come flying out of a moving vehicle and they wouldn’t leave you alone.  Finally we said we were leaving that afternoon and they would give up.  We were there in 1983 and loved it, so we were extremely disappointed when we went back and that will be our last trip to Cancun.  We ventured a little further south to Playa del Carmen and loved it there.  My fear now to go back is that the same thing is happening there as happened in Cancun. Just my 2 cents. Diane

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– thanks to spam bots, my address is despammed, if you are a real person, you should be able to figure it out. This part of the post I can’t let go.  I am also from Texas originally and what you are used to is NOT mexican food.  It is Tex-Mex.  You can not compare mexican food to what you are used to. Mexican food is not spicy. Mexican food rarely contains beef, the land doesn’t support beef well. Chicken, fish, and goats are the mainstay and it varys by the region.  By the way, I like both Tex-mex and mexican food.  I can’t say anything about the food in cancun as I have not been there, but don’t base your comparisons to your local cuisine, its comparing apples and oranges.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PS: We are from Texas (good mexican food) and in our opinion we did not like any of the "mexican" food there.  We ate at Senor Frogs as well and the meal was just "so-so".  All of the restaurants did not have spicy mexican food and it was pretty much bland.  I cannot recommend any place except Pat O’ Brians (Great nachos and bbq sandwich). If anyone wants further info please feel free to email me directly at:

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Don, Being a native Texan I also know the difference between Mexican food and Tex-Mex food.  I never meant to imply they were one in the same HOWEVER there is a difference in what I expected.  I expected Mexican food (I was in Mexico) with a Yucatan flair… things wrapped/cooked in banana leaves, pescado (fish) dishes, etc…  The food we ate down in Cancun were typically recommended highly by the various hotels and some guidebooks but they always turned out to be bad Mexican food without any particular nuance of the region they were supposed to represent (Yucatan).  My comments about spicy wasn’t meaning HOT, I just meant that I preferred my food with some form of taste to it.  The food from Cancun (for the mostpart) was tasteless and appeared to be a poor copy of Tex-Mex (or that’s the way it looked to us). PS: I’ve already received several direct emails agreeing with me so I know that I’m not crazy M. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — thanks to spam bots, my address is despammed, if you are a real person, you should be able to figure it out. This part of the post I can’t let go.  I am also from Texas originally and what you are used to is NOT mexican food.  It is Tex-Mex.  You can not compare mexican food to what you are used to. Mexican food is not spicy. Mexican food rarely contains beef, the land doesn’t support beef well. Chicken, fish, and goats are the mainstay and it varys by the region.  By the way, I like both Tex-mex and mexican food.  I can’t say anything about the food in cancun as I have not been there, but don’t base your comparisons to your local cuisine, its comparing apples and oranges. PS: We are from Texas (good mexican food) and in our opinion we did not like any of the "mexican" food there.  We ate at Senor Frogs as well and the meal was just "so-so".  All of the restaurants did not have spicy mexican food and it was pretty much bland.  I cannot recommend any place except Pat O’ Brians (Great nachos and bbq sandwich). If anyone wants further info please feel free to email me directly at:

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sorry you feel that way. i’m heading back for my 8th trip end of Jan. i go mostly for the first part of your trip. and because i Love the hotel i stay at (Fiesta American Coral Beach) since it is a mega resort you have to do some searching to find good value. and yes there are some Yucatan restaurants, but mostly it is tex-mex. tim

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I’ve been to Cancun twice. I enjoyed both of my visits. I stayed at the Blue Bay Club and Marina, which is an all-inclusive hotel. Personally, I prefer all-inclusive hotels because you don’t have to carry cash when you’re at the hotel and you can eat and drink as much as you want without worrying about the bill! Also, the food at the hotel was great. They had Mexican options at every meal! The different salsas were fabulous! The hotel staff was friendly and always entertaining. The hotel also had a bus that would take us into town at night to the discos. The discos were pricey but not over the top. I agree that the flea markets were outrageous! I couldn’t take more that 5 minutes they were so rude! I don’t mind bargaining but when they start yelling at you or chasing you, that’s when I draw the line. Luckily, the hotel had theme night and one of which was Mexican. Kiosks were set up and local wares were sold in the main lobby at very reasonable prices. I really had a great time in Cancun and would probably go back. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – sorry you feel that way. i’m heading back for my 8th trip end of Jan. i go mostly for the first part of your trip. and because i Love the hotel i stay at (Fiesta American Coral Beach) since it is a mega resort you have to do some searching to find good value. and yes there are some Yucatan restaurants, but mostly it is tex-mex. tim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don, Being a native Texan I also know the difference between Mexican food and Tex-Mex food.  I never meant to imply they were one in the same HOWEVER there is a difference in what I expected.  I expected Mexican food (I was in Mexico) with a Yucatan flair… things wrapped/cooked in banana leaves, pescado (fish) dishes, etc…  <snip I am also from Texas originally and what you are used to is NOT mexican food.  It is Tex-Mex.   PS: We are from Texas (good mexican food) and in our opinion we did not like any of the "mexican" food there.  We ate at Senor Frogs as well and the meal was just "so-so".  All of the restaurants did not have spicy mexican food and it was pretty much bland.  I cannot recommend any place except Pat O’ Brians (Great nachos and bbq sandwich).

I think you’re both missing an important point: Cancun may be in Mexico, but there is no Mexico in Cancun.  It is a Disneyfied version of what the Mexican tourist board thinks tourists want; obviously, they thought correctly.  If Cancun is the only place you’ve ever visited, you have not seen Mexico.  I’ve had to fly to/from there to get to other destinations, and had never had the "opportunity" to spend the night until this past summer (because of an early a.m. flight); I was with a teenaged cousin who had been a good sport about eating real Mexican–after years of Taco Bell–at our other destinations, so let him choose where he wanted to eat dinner in Cancun.  Yeesh, Planet Hollywood…I was truly appalled, during the cab ride, at how built up the island was. Another post-er mentioned nearby Playa del Carmen as a less-touristy destination, but unfortunately, it’s not the sleepy fishing village it was on my first visit, not so long ago.  Still, better than Cancun

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I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

My friend Jim Dionne at Dirigo Flies says he can help you out, and hit your price range Give him a call at (800) 893-2815 tell him you’re the guy from the internet I told him about.                                         jc

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while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

Yes I do!  But they only have 2/0, 2, and 6 ($2.25), and the 2/0 only in chartreuse and white (which by the way is my favorite saltwater color!). They are the Fly Fishing Shop in Welches Oregon.  They have a wonderful web site at www.teleport.com/~flyfish  Their number is 503-622-4607. They are pleasure to deal with long distance, and I’m willing to bet they can get you what you want in any color with a little advance notice.  Good luck! Phil

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while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks! Yes I do!  But they only have 2/0, 2, and 6 ($2.25), and the 2/0 only in chartreuse and white (which by the way is my favorite saltwater color!). They are the Fly Fishing Shop in Welches Oregon.  They have a wonderful web site at www.teleport.com/~flyfish  Their number is 503-622-4607. They are pleasure to deal with long distance, and I’m willing to bet they can get you what you want in any color with a little advance notice.  Good luck! Phil

I have an on line catalog and have the Clousers in any size and color that you want. You can see my catalog at http://www.surfsouth.com/~jbranham/retailcatalog.html

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I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

Hello- This is probably not what you want to here, but… I would suggest learning to tie them yourself. Clousers are extremely easy to tie and the materials are cheap. I am not a very fast tyer, and I just turned out 10 in the last hour. I tied them on 3/0 for salt water use (Mustad 3407 hooks at about $7/100). That way you can tie them in any size or color combo you want. Even if you don’t tie now with just a few very basic lessons you can tie clousers. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum

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I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

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I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want.  So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!

Try to get a second hand vice and tie your own. They are the most simple saltwater fly to tie and you can make a hundred for what it costs to buy ten at Orvis prices. Get the cheapest vice you can find at first and THEN decide if you want to keep tying. If so, consider the best vice you can afford and prepare yourself for the plethora of tying materials you will want to buy along with the books, videos and CD-ROMs you will get to learn how to tie. Good Luck,         jmc

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This weekend I will be staying 4 days in Acadia/Bar Harbor, Maine and I have no idea where to flyfish, and what is being used. Please help.  I am not familiar with the area, and I will not have a boat.  Just a pole, me and my waders..the way I like it best. Mac

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Hi There, I fish that area of Maine a lot during the summer, but I have a boat.  You might try Long Pond, just outside Somesville.  It’s a beautiful lake with landlocked salmon and smallmouth bass.  You can rent canoes there too so you can actually get out on the water.  The bass take surface poppers during the early hours in the summer.  You might try in the middle of the lake in what’s called the "narrows" between the Eastern and Western arms.   You also might want to try fishing for smallmouth on the Union River, just north of Ellsworth.  I’ve never fished the river, but the lake (Graham) is pretty good.   If you want to go farther afield, you can try the Penobscot north of Bangor.  There are plenty of places to get down to the river.  The fishing will be mostly for smallmouth bass.The ride is about an hour and a quarter from Bar Harbor.   Hope this helps. Mac Rubel

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This weekend I will be staying 4 days in Acadia/Bar Harbor, Maine and I have no idea where to flyfish, and what is being used. Please help.  I am not familiar with the area, and I will not have a boat.  Just a pole, me and my waders..the way I like it best. Mac

Mac, In the park, try upper and lower breakneck ponds and witch hole pond. Also, bubble pond can be waded but I’ve never had much luck there.  I know of no good streams in the area.  If you find any please let me know.  Good luck, Rick

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This weekend I will be staying 4 days in Acadia/Bar Harbor, Maine and I have no idea where to flyfish, and what is being used. Please help.  I am not familiar with the area, and I will not have a boat.  Just a pole, me and my waders..the way I like it best. Mac Many ponds in the park although I don’t know if they are Open or not.I

think all ponds in Maine are open until the end of Oct. but I am not sure of this.If you are serious about getting some good fishing in you gotta get to the Kennebec River.About 2 hours from Bar Harbor. The Fairfield Area is a good base of operation.Stop by Flyfishing Only and ask Mike whats working.This area has Browns,Rainbows,Brookies and Salmon. Downriver from Fairfield about 20 miles is Augusta and I understand the Stripers are really hot right now.Just fish anywhere below the Edwards Dam. Good Luck

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This weekend I will be staying 4 days in Acadia/Bar Harbor, Maine and I have no idea where to flyfish, and what is being used. Please help.  I am not familiar with the area, and I will not have a boat.  Just a pole, me and my waders..the way I like it best. Mac Many ponds in the park although I don’t know if they are Open or not.I think all ponds in Maine are open until the end of Oct. but I am not sure of this.If you are serious about getting some good fishing in you gotta get to the Kennebec River.About 2 hours from Bar Harbor. The Fairfield Area is a good base of operation.Stop by Flyfishing Only and ask Mike whats working.This area has Browns,Rainbows,Brookies and Salmon. Downriver from Fairfield about 20 miles is Augusta and I understand the Stripers are really hot right now.Just fish anywhere below the Edwards Dam. Good Luck

You might look for the book: "The Downeast Guide to the Lakes and Ponds of Mt. Desert" by William P. Newlin.  ISBN 0-89272-270-3  Downeast BooksP.O. box 679, Camden, ME 04843.  Best luck fishing.

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    My son and I will be going horsepacking and fly fishing just east of Yellowstone in August. Two other fathers and sons are going also. I have committed to tie all the flies for the trip. I have never fished this area before–closest I’ve come is the Bighorn. Living in Tennessee I have no local knowledge. Rivers we could be fishing include the Elk’s Fork, the Boulder/Greybull and the Southfork/Yellowstone. Any ideas on fly patterns we will need that time of year. Thanks in advance for any info.

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   My son and I will be going horsepacking and fly fishing just east of Yellowstone in August. Two other fathers and sons are going also. I have committed to tie all the flies for the trip. I have never fished this area before–closest I’ve come is the Bighorn. Living in Tennessee I have no local knowledge. Rivers we could be fishing include the Elk’s Fork, the Boulder/Greybull and the Southfork/Yellowstone. Any ideas on fly patterns we will need that time of year. Thanks in advance for any info.

Hi Terry, You will need a good selection of Adams Parachute, Humpies, Wulffs, EHC, Bead Heads, Stimulators, and many, many Grass Hoppers. #6 or 8 on the hoppers and #12 and smaller on the others.  Also be sure to have a pattern to immitate PMD’s and BWO’s. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I bought "Fly Pattens of Yellowstoe " by Craig Mathews and John Juracek last year. This is execellent fly pattern book for Yellowstone National Park area. Kiyo Shirataki

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