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Ah yes Tony, many years ago in another life in England, my newly acquired

girl friend’s parents graciously invited me to stay the weekend at their place (I was on a 3 day pass from Brize-Norton RAF Station) and somehow I managed to use the word ‘bugger’ not once, but several times in a conversation at the dinner table.  Things were a little awkward for awhile *after* she explained to me what that meant.  Hey, I didn’t know!  :-) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET. Ouch, know the feeling only too well, and it is a two way street – like the time I was on a business trip to a company in Rascine Wisconsin about 25 years ago,and asked one of the secretaries for a ‘rubber’. When she finally calmed down, and her face returned to something approaching its usual colour, we finally worked out that I needed an eraser…..but then… she was a very good looking you lady… I can but dream:-) She is a funny old language this English. — Tony Bishop  New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

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Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john

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I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing

Love my Sage. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "Lie? Me? Never! No,no no, the truth is far too much fun!" – Captain Hook

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I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing gear Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john

What is wrong with velcro?  It cannot rust or jam like a zipper and is easier to replace if worn. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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I love Velcro, I used it on my rod socks, boots, fly fishing vest and a tent.  My wife started calling me Mr. Velcro. Old Fart

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing gear Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john What is wrong with velcro?  It cannot rust or jam like a zipper and is easier to replace if worn. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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If one wishes to find out, "what is wrong with Velcro," one need only place there car keys in a pocket secured by Velcro. I went fishin’ with a friend not long ago who lost the keys to his truck (keys in a pocket secured by Velcro) while we were on the stream.  The big problem was that we were fishin’ downstream to where we had parked his truck.  Long story made short.  We had to hike 3 1/2 miles up a mountain road to the main road, then it was another 5 miles straight up the mountain to my truck. Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing gear Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john What is wrong with velcro?  It cannot rust or jam like a zipper and is easier to replace if worn. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ah yes Tony, many years ago in another life in England, my newly acquired girl friend’s parents graciously invited me to stay the weekend at their place (I was on a 3 day pass from Brize-Norton RAF Station) and somehow I managed to use the word ‘bugger’ not once, but several times in a conversation at the dinner table.  Things were a little awkward for awhile *after* she explained to me what that meant.  Hey, I didn’t know!  :-) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET. Ouch, know the feeling only too well, and it is a two way street – like the time I was on a business trip to a company in Rascine Wisconsin about 25 years ago,and asked one of the secretaries for a ‘rubber’. When she finally calmed down, and her face returned to something approaching its usual colour, we finally worked out that I needed an eraser…..but then… she was a very good looking you lady… I can but dream:-) She is a funny old language this English. — Tony Bishop New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

Reminds me of the time one of my brother’s British teachers spyed a cigarette butt on the classroom floor and instructed him to "Pickup the Fag":):) Much Lloyd Heilbrunn

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Reminds me of the time one of my brother’s British teachers spyed a cigarette butt on the classroom floor and instructed him to "Pickup the Fag":):) Much Lloyd Heilbrunn

Lloyd,    I am a little confused too, what did the British Teacher do to the cigarette butt?  :-) Ernie

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Yup…velcro should never leave the trail…….john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If one wishes to find out, "what is wrong with Velcro," one need only place there car keys in a pocket secured by Velcro. I went fishin’ with a friend not long ago who lost the keys to his truck (keys in a pocket secured by Velcro) while we were on the stream.  The big problem was that we were fishin’ downstream to where we had parked his truck.  Long story made short.  We had to hike 3 1/2 miles up a mountain road to the main road, then it was another 5 miles straight up the mountain to my truck. Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!** I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing gear Best one I ever had I got from an Army surplus……go for all zippers and no velcro….john What is wrong with velcro?  It cannot rust or jam like a zipper and is easier to replace if worn. — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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Americans can get some very funny looks in many parts of the world, including down under, when they start talking about their fannies and fanny packs. Your fanny down here is a whole different territory, and only women have them:-) — Tony Bishop  New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

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Ah yes Tony, many years ago in another life in England, my newly acquired girl friend’s parents graciously invited me to stay the weekend at their place (I was on a 3 day pass from Brize-Norton RAF Station) and somehow I managed to use the word ‘bugger’ not once, but several times in a conversation at the dinner table.  Things were a little awkward for awhile *after* she explained to me what that meant.  Hey, I didn’t know!  :-) Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RET. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Americans can get some very funny looks in many parts of the world, including down under, when they start talking about their fannies and fanny packs. Your fanny down here is a whole different territory, and only women have them:-) — Tony Bishop New Zealand http://bishfish.co.nz

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suggestions? Yes, I have a suggestion. When you post, write in complete sentences. I suppose one could also (pardon the double pun) have said with toungue in cheek, "depends on how big of a fanny you have to pack….." ——- But (chuckle again) seriously; a friend of mine simply took an old fly-fishing vest and cut off the bottom front pockets. He then reseamed and stitched the edges and had a short vest for float-tubing, and a waist belt/fanny pack for other days.  Worked great, and was very convenient. Hope that helps. CB CB

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I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing

I’ve seen some "fishing" fanny packs but they looked like more trouble than they’re worth.  I  just a have a cheap, ordinary fanny pack with a fleece patch, tippet, and zingers clipped on and stuffed full.  I use small fly boxes that will fit in a shirt pocket so the stuff I’m using usually migrates from the fanny pack to my pockets.  It stays in the truck along with old hip waders and a mangy hat for those "spontaneous" fishing trips. HTH Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Haven’t used a vest in years! I bought a Fanny Pack at the Phoenix Boat Show several years ago ($19.95 would you believe!).  It has one large pocket and two smaller ones on each side.  The two side pockets have two smaller pockets on the outside.  My tippet material fits perfect in these outside pockets.  My reel and spare spools fit in one side pocket and my other gear (Lead, Strike indicators, spare leaders, etc.) fit in the other.  The large pocket in back holds all he fly boxes I could ever need.  Works great! If Float tubing or wading deep, I wear it bandalero style. — Bill Endicott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fanny pack to put my fly fishing Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Speaking of trollbait, looks like you have a little extra time on your hands. I didn’t fire the first shot, posted a simple inquiry about a member of ROFF that was active a few years ago and tried to calm the zoo down.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are gentlemen on ROFF, and occasionally there are dicks, but up to now the booby prize it seems, must go, to be46, we have been trolled by experts, and also completely uninitiated, but not often have we been so trolled, by an ego so inflated. There was a case or two of course, some old Roffians may recall, but these were mostly fly-by-nights, and contributed bugger-all, it will be interesting then to see if this as well is such a case, or if indeed he settles down, behaves himself, and finds his place. One is obliged of course to ask, why forty six? why not forty seven? are there no names? just numbers ? in happy trollers heaven. When one walks into a pub there, does one insult the guests? is this condition treatable ? perhaps to do with overactive testes? Balls are of course important, cojones in fact may be admired, but mostly when directed by intelligence, and not just wildly fired, beware the wrath of ROFF, although the flames of hell are hot, the flames of ROFF are awful things when directed at some snot. The smell is indescribable, and the fumes would choke a horse, so unless you want an awful singeing, then take a different course. What is the point of this charade? why bother with these things? If you wish to be insulting, there are other places you could stretch your wings. Think on Icarus then, who in hubris, flew too high and melted all his wax, your feathers may well fall off too, if you continue with these stupid cracks, and though bald eagles may be noble, bald trollers are just an ugly pain, perhaps you might consider this, before you post a load of crap on here again? We are here to talk on many things, mainly concerning fishing with a fly, and we do not take it kindly when strangers our colleagues here decry, you do not know Wayno, in fact it seems hardly anybody here, so why bother then insulting them? No one will lend an ear. If you wish to post to ROFF, then learn some manners please, an apology indeed would be quite nice, and might some appease, of course if you continue in your quest to raise some Roffian ire, don

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Well that’s not terribly expensive – I would recommend the 4 pc rod over the 2 pc. The higher resale valve will make up for the additional cost and it’s so much easier if you get a chance to do some traveling. The casting action on the 4 pc VPS is virtually the same on the 2 and 4 pc. The DS series is considerably slower action that the RPL / VPS series – I have cast both. Also the resale valve is considerably lower percent wise. Most everyone I know that purchased a DS outgrow it within a year or so. FYI: I normally fish RPLX rods (8wt & up) , to me the RPL/VPS is slower, but still very castable and able to shoot line, where the DS is too slow and unable to shoot line.

I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP –  I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage.  It’s a nice rod, and  can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer.  Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

They want a little over $400 for a combo.  They give you a nice reel setup with backing and WF-F fly line, usually higher quality.   But then for the same action I was checking into the DS series rods, looks line the same rod action of med-fast, but at about $290 for the combo.  I am leaning towards the Sage more and more. One good thing (if you need the money), I start working 7 days a week in two weeks, so after I work two or three of them, I’ll have the money to buy either one if I want and still be able to feed the family. –Randy

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… I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods.

Why ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Okay, I’m thinking about a new rod.  I stopped at my local shop today and checked out a few rods.  I’ve determined after talking with the guy there, I want a 5 weight for the different fishing I do, mainly smallmouth and trout. I have narrowed down to the following: a Sage DSL series , a Scott (whatever series), a step up to a Sage VSP series, or going to a different shop and getting a Orvis Silver label series rod.  I am not in a hurry since I will only start working 7 days a week in a few weeks (I’ll have the money after one or two weeks of this).     I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. –Randy

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   I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods.

Sage has a pretty hefty markup on their rods, IMO.  But, it seems to me the VSP is one of the best "values" (this term might be hotly debated by Mike Connor  Their rep was telling me how just a few years ago it was a top-of-the-line rod (used to be the RPL I think?)  Technology marches on and the price goes down.  Is it all of a sudden not such a good rod?  Of course not.  I preferred that rod’s action over the SP, but that’s just personal preference, and reasonable as far as Sage goes.  BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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… I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Why ?

Exactly. No one can tell what you like. You have to try them and decide what you want, and then post your opinion and your reasons if you like. It’s not like buying a used car. I’m sure any of those rods would do the job. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet…though If I could find a ‘gothic’ looking rod, I just might be able to interest my oldest daughter in fly fishing, I don’t think I seen black waders yet.

Randy, the keyword here is finial. I don’t think anybody is being so crude that they would suggest that you’re a golfer.     Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Sage has a pretty hefty markup on their rods, IMO.  But, it seems to me the VSP is one of the best "values" (this term might be hotly debated by Mike Connor  Their rep was telling me how just a few years ago it was a top-of-the-line rod (used to be the RPL I think?)  Technology marches on and the price goes down.  Is it all of a sudden not such a good rod?  Of course not.  I preferred that rod’s action over the SP, but that’s just personal preference, and reasonable as far as Sage goes.  BTW, if you’re deciding on finials, go with something in iron rather than wood – more gothic looking

Maybe I should just get another ultra-light spinning outfit and one of those fly fishing shooting head attachments… ROFLOL BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet…though If I could find a ‘gothic’ looking rod, I just might be able to interest my oldest daughter in fly fishing, I don’t think I seen black waders yet. –Randy — Under  40……yet!

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… I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. Why ? — Ken Fortenberry

        oh, the profundity! wayno

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BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet..

        well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30. wayno, just keeping the record straight

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BTW, I’m not old enough to start playing golf yet.. well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30.

wayno, does miniature golf count? –Randy – the crowd goes crazy, as he sinks a hole in one as the ball goes over the bridge at the water fall, then under the prop of the wind mill into the pipe on the left and comes out into the cup…..

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Wayno writes: well, randy, the truth is you are too damn old to start playing golf, if you are past 30.

As is often the case, Wayne is correct here, Randy. Golf is a game best learned before the teens, abandoned in one’s early twenties as a sport for old farts. When one achieves the latter status, one can resume the sport. This oncoming of old fart status can,however, occur at various ages, thus it is that some never give the game up at all.                       all in good fun,                           Tom Littleton

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I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP –  I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage.  It’s a nice rod, and  can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer.  Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

Okay, I’m thinking about a new rod.  I stopped at my local shop today and checked out a few rods.  I’ve determined after talking with the guy there, I want a 5 weight for the different fishing I do, mainly smallmouth and trout. I have narrowed down to the following: a Sage DSL series , a Scott (whatever series), a step up to a Sage VSP series, or going to a different shop and getting a Orvis Silver label series rod.  I am not in a hurry since I will only start working 7 days a week in a few weeks (I’ll have the money after one or two weeks of this).     I am leaning towards the Sage VSP Combo right now, but this can change. I will also be casting  all of these rods before I make my finial decision, but I’d like input on these rods. –Randy

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I’m not sure about the 5, seems light if you do much smallmouth fishing so my 2 bits: go for a 6. On the VSP –  I have a 690-4 RPL – I was told that the VSP is the exact same rod by sage.  It’s a nice rod, and  can cast a pretty good sized popper or streamer.  Most of my buddies that have cast it like it also. What is the cost of the VPS combo?

They want a little over $400 for a combo.  They give you a nice reel setup with backing and WF-F fly line, usually higher quality.   But then for the same action I was checking into the DS series rods, looks line the same rod action of med-fast, but at about $290 for the combo.  I am leaning towards the Sage more and more. One good thing (if you need the money), I start working 7 days a week in two weeks, so after I work two or three of them, I’ll have the money to buy either one if I want and still be able to feed the family. –Randy

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I may be attending a convention in Mesa, Arizona the last week in March and would like to know if there are any public spots for fly fishing close to Mesa?  If I can’t take my gear, how about areas close by that I could just wander around in?  Haven’t ever been to the southwest and would like to see more than just manicured parks.  Thanks for any information you can provide. Larry We give dogs love we can spare, time we can spare, and room we can spare.  In return, dogs give us their all.  It

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All FS98 has to do is present me with only the slightest recreation of the afternoon I flew a 172 out over the Atlantic for the first time atop a broken undercast from Cape Cod to Nantucket Island and the thrill of it just comes flooding back.  Every time. Phillip

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seriously, the saddest thing about it was that I haven’t been able to enjoy the sims ever since…  After well over a decade of flying the computer, I suddenly realized just how much they *don’t* capture the feeling of flight, even with the latest and greatest.  Anyone else have a similar experience? Yeah, I find that real flying can be very emotional. The feeling of freedom, the exhilarating feeling of speed when your just a few feet above cloud level. I remember one particular time when flying above unbroken cloud, for as far as the eye could see in all directions there was just this smooth white sea and the sky above was the most beautiful blue you could imagine. It was like being on another world, the Earth didn’t even exist for a minute or two. It was awe inspiring, brought a tear to the eye. SteveL. HI, due to health problems I had to return my PPL some years ago, so the sim is all I

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Looking for fragments of arctic fox for fly tying – anyone know where to find it? Jeff Slater

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Looking for fragments of arctic fox for fly tying – anyone know where to find it?

Furriers usually give scraps away free if asked right. Taxidermists usually have scraps too, but are more used to selling them to fly tyers. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Looking for fragments of arctic fox for fly tying – anyone know where to find it?

Check with Blue Ribbon Flies in West Yellowstone, Montana.  Phone 406-646-9365. They are probably as likely as anyone I can think to have some.  If you’re lucky they’ll have the tails.                                         Hope this helps,                                                Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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I’m looking for some new patterns to try on the huge mass of stripers that very reliable sources say are headed towards capecod. If any one has any interesting stuff that has a good history of working please let me know.

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I’m looking for some new patterns to try on the huge mass of stripers that very reliable sources say are headed towards capecod. If any one has any interesting stuff that has a good history of working please let me know.

I’m a big fan of the Ray’s Fly and the Bonderew Bucktail.  Killed them at Chatham the last two Junes. Bob Scott

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TR…Before I started guiding I started using my own brand of yellow clouser. First of all I tied it upside down. In other words hook up, eyes on the lower side. I started flyfishing in the salt in Rhode Island up in Narragansett Bay. Lots of rocks to grab flies. Having the hook up avoids loss to rocky bottoms. Stripers tend to hug the bottom more often than not and I found I spent more time releasing them then tying on new flies. My clousers are also tied like tarpon flies, tied in at the tail which avoids the ugly recurring problem of the material wrapping around the hook shank. My pattern uses four yellow hackle three inches long, six or eight  pieces of silver crystal flash  and a small amount of yellow fish hair. Turn it over and tie in the eyes. I use flaming pink floss to tie the fly. It allows you to really tie the materials securely without worrying about breaking the thread. Believe me it works. My clients have been using it and it out performs many other patterns I’ve tried. Good luck this season…Capt. Ted Bobetsky (http://www.flyfishing-the-salt.com) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for some new patterns to try on the huge mass of stripers that very reliable sources say are headed towards capecod. If any one has any interesting stuff that has a good history of working please let me know.

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[...] BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott?

Yes, I’d be MORE than happy to. Besides, I picked up a huge container of Albolene during my stay in the US anyway… — | Environmental Toxicology Section | phone: +31 30 535338              | | Utrecht University               | fax:   +31 30 535077              | | the Netherlands                  |                                   |

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[...] I thought it was pretty damn entertaining. I mean, here are all these flyfishers wandering into this newsgroup looking for tips on tying humpies, or instructions on how to fix the zippers on their gravel guards and what do they find: George Gehrke, beloved creator of Gehrke’s Gink, going completely freakin’ batshit in a tirade that would have made Adolph Coors blush. It was great! Bring him back here! He’s got balls the size of church bells, and this newsgroup (indeed, perhaps even the world of angling as we know it) needs more like him!

I don’t think this is entertaining at all. Out of curiosity I sometimes wander into rec.outdoors.fishing.fly (which I abandoned way before there even was a rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, just rec.outdoors.fishing), and time and again fall right into a similar raving, name-calling, rabid flamefest. Enough to make me realize why I switched r.o.f.f. for the And George Gehrke might have balls the size of church bells, but he certainly has a brain the size of the brain of our beloved quarry — or as we more commonly say: the size of a pea. And I will buy no more of his products and will actively pursue that more Europeans act likewise… — | Environmental Toxicology Section | phone: +31 30 535338              | | Utrecht University               | fax:   +31 30 535077              | | the Netherlands                  |                                   |

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The..(lot’s of shortwave radioesque editorial snipped)..Arrrrgh!!! A.J.Thramer

Y’know A.J., it’s not so much your opinion that bugs me, it’s your absolute view that only you, and those who share your views, are right and good.  Also, your narrow minded definition of those who DO something for a living is a load of crap (IMHO, of course). Ross

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [massive snip] I really think I’m wasting my time here. Color me gone. [snip again] I’ve about had enough of this net business anyhow.  My time is better used elsewhere. Color me gone. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Yikes! I think we’ve just witnessed a self proclaimed "Professional Sportsman" go completely postal on the internet… That was the all time worst display of "professionalism" I’ve read in a long while, completely devoid of "sportsmanship". It was, in fact, simply a rant. Confronted with simple truth, he blew his brains out into the ether (not a pretty sight at all)…

I thought it was pretty damn entertaining. I mean, here are all these flyfishers wandering into this newsgroup looking for tips on tying humpies, or instructions on how to fix the zippers on their gravel guards and what do they find: George Gehrke, beloved creator of Gehrke’s Gink, going completely freakin’ batshit in a tirade that would have made Adolph Coors blush. It was great! Bring him back here! He’s got balls the size of church bells, and this newsgroup (indeed, perhaps even the world of angling as we know it) needs more like him!   George, if you’re still out there, switch to decaf, stop sniffing the Gink, turn off the Rush Limbo show, and get a grip…There’s room for you here…

Right on, but skip the "grip" part. And the decaf. Spinolio

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I’d support a tax hike if Billy would use it to get the end of his nose fixed so that it did not look so much like a penis. TimW

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Norm…those six occasions you mention wouldn’t have had any "pork" attached for the democrats agenda by any chance would they ? I believe there may have been a little more to those "occasions" than a vote on the environment. If not I would really like to know, pure speculation on my part but any details would be nice.

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I wouldn’t support anything Clinton proposes but I do agree his nose looks like a penis. I can’t imagine what his penis looks like!

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I wouldn’t support anything Clinton proposes but I do agree his nose looks like a penis. I can’t imagine what his penis looks like!

So this explains why you support Dole: you want a President who lacks any sign of a working penis. Steve

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The second ammendment has absolutelyNOTHING to do with hunting and/or sporting arms. It has everything to do with the right of the people to self protection, whether from the local burgler or the an overactive government that has lost its contact with the people. A flock of killer ducks was not what the framers had in mind.   Does anyone really think that the excise money is 100% apropriated back to sporting causes? If there is even ONE person who believes that I can get you a hot deal on a bridge…..  As an example look up the figures on aircraft use taxes, gasoline road taxes and I am quite sure a list of examples ad nauseum.   Mr Gherke was perhaps a bit vehement in his rhetoric but his facts have been well documented and I for one agree with his message if not exactly his tone. This is turning into a society of citizens who want to ‘feel’ good. Damn the facts and full speed ahead on the good ship lollipop. Sometimes the facts are unpleasant or painful. Bubbas reputation is one of a terrible joke among the international community. Hi duck hunting episode last year made me gag.   IMHO Gherkes right, an opinion shared by most people who make,repair,sell,build or in short DO something to earn a living. Go ahead FEEL good and send the country down a payh that will lead to a place where everyone is a victim and no one can afford to make a living.   I use his products because they are the best available and will happily continue to purchase same!    Election by sound bite!!! Arrrrgh!!! A.J.Thramer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Well, I’m not certain how this fits into the discussion on the taxation of outdoor equipment Those with short memories and/or brain damage (Mr. Gehrke, perhaps?) sould be reminded that all hunting and fishing gear sold in the US has, for years, been subject to special excise taxes (generally referred to as "Pitman-Robertson" and "Dingell-Johnson", after the legislative sponsors). These taxes have been a notable success, mainly because they are "earmarked" for specific purposes, and don’t go into general revenue. Thus, a proposal for extending the base for these taxes *should* be discussed rationally, not by referring to ‘two-faced lying whore hoppers’. As for "draft dodging", Mr. Gehrke is just out of touch. The Vietnam era was indeed controversial. Those of draft age at that time could fall into four basic categories: 1. agreed with the war, and went – gotta respect these guys 2. harboured major doubts that the war was right, but went anyway – can appreciate the dilemma that these guys faced, gotta respect them too 3. believed the war was wrong, and didn’t go – obviously a group Mr. Gehrke despises, but making a decision of that nature involved significant personal sacrifice for many (living just 6 miles north of the US border, I know how many of my neighbours are US expats) 4. believed that the war was a great thing, provided someone else went; "preserve my ass, but ship out the farm boys and ghetto rats" ; these pond scum include Dan Quayle (whose daddy bought him a postion in the Guard) and Rush Limbaugh (whose family hired a specialist to come up with a medical problem that the army doc couldn’t find); no way anyone should respect these turds I’d respect Mr. Gehrke’s disgust with the folks in group 3 if I didn’t suspect he was kissing the asses of the sleazeballs in group 4. : VOTE DOLE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HERITAGE. Of course, in the event that the Republicans are too successful (i.e. Dole in the White House, with the Newtzies still running the House), the question becomes academic – yes, you’ll be able to own as many guns as you want, but there will be nothing to hunt (and nowhere to go to hunt). And, if the water’s unsafe to drink, there ain’t gonna be a lot of fishing around either. This isn’t a Democrat/ Republican issue (respect a lot of folks on both sides) or a liberal/conservative issue (as above), but a *sane/insane* issue. Now, I guess the next major question is : I’ve read more posts from Mr. Gehrke than I really want to, given that his style (rabid) and his orientation (screw the environment, I wanna go fishing) are so extreme. Why does Mr. Gehrke, who owes his livelihood to the existence of a healthy environment, take such anti-environmental stands? BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott? 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341   My, My, How mean-spirted we are today, hows the clear cutting going in B.C. ? Did the republicans get into Canada also ?   Just asking..   Harry

I think the original post by Mr. Gehrke was much more "mean spirited" than Tom’s, and at least Tom took some time to flesh out his thoughts instead of posting the all-caps, right-wing bumper sticker that George threw out. Just because you disagree with Tom’s reply, Harry, doesn’t make his message "mean spirited". Still, I’m very glad that Mr. Gehrke came out and stated his political beliefs so bluntly so that those like myself who flatly disagree can now avoid his products. Spinolio

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Henk Verhaar writes:

I don’t think this is entertaining at all. Out of curiosity I sometimes wander into rec.outdoors.fishing.fly (which I abandoned way before there even was a rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, just rec.outdoors.fishing), and time and again fall right into a similar raving, name-calling, rabid flamefest. Enough to make me realize why I switched r.o.f.f. for the And George Gehrke might have balls the size of church bells, but he certainly has a brain the size of the brain of our beloved quarry — or as we more commonly say: the size of a pea. And I will buy no more of his products and will actively pursue that more Europeans act likewise… the size of a pea…don’t really correspond to flaming anyone you……really we don’t

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I wouldn’t support anything Clinton proposes but I do agree his nose looks like a penis. I can’t imagine what his penis looks like! So this explains why you support Dole: you want a President who lacks any sign of a working penis. Steve

   Or law suits associated with the unbridled use of said unit. Where is  L  Bobbit  when you need her !   Harry  " If this is the Bridge to the 21st Century, I hope to God  Kennedy is not driving "

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I wouldn’t support anything Clinton proposes but I do agree his nose looks like a penis. I can’t imagine what his penis looks like! So this explains why you support Dole: you want a President who lacks any sign of a working penis.

they’re both lying. TimW

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Actually the final Senate count was all 50 Republican senators, because after the Ted Williams’ "Dirty Dozen"  article in Fly Rod and Reel went to press, the one Democrat, Sen. Shelby,  showed his true unenvironmental colors and switched to the Republican party. Should we read anything into this? Should this voting record be a factor in how we vote on election day? For me, it will be a major factor.

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[massive snip] I really think I’m wasting my time here. Color me gone.

[snip again] I’ve about had enough of this net business anyhow.  My time is better used elsewhere. Color me gone. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

Yikes! I think we’ve just witnessed a self proclaimed "Professional Sportsman" go completely postal on the internet… That was the all time worst display of "professionalism" I’ve read in a long while, completely devoid of "sportsmanship". It was, in fact, simply a rant. Confronted with simple truth, he blew his brains out into the ether (not a pretty sight at all)… George, if you’re still out there, switch to decaf, stop sniffing the Gink, turn off the Rush Limbo show, and get a grip…There’s room for you here… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.     Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts < <      Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinions expressed herein may not be shared by             my employer, etc…

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I wasn’t aware that the rabid and absurd Mr. Gherke in this group was the same who makes fly floatant.  If this is true (and I’d like confirmation of same), then I second the boycott motion.  This guy is hell-bent on destroying our resources for his own gain; something I don’t want to support.  Instead, I’ll use the environmentally friendly products made by Loon.

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: ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Mr. Gherke: I read with dismay your response to our neighbor from the North.  My disappointment is not with your political views; you are entitled to express those as you wish.  Rather, I take issue with the discourteous and disrespectful way in which you have attacked the President of the United States in this international forum.  You behavior undermines the integrity and honor of our nation.  I shudder to think that the international community regards behavior such as yours as the norm for all Americans. Recently in the fly tying newgroup, you wrote about loyalty to U.S. manufacturers and their products.  You stated, "If Americans will not support Americans, then who will?"  Your conduct in this forum reveals your hypocricy.  No matter what you think of his policies or performance in office, you owe it to your nation and your fellow citizens to accord President Clinton the respect he and his office deserve.  If you dislike his policies or personal conduct, I urge you to exercise your right to vote against him and campaign for his political opponent in a constructive way. But personal attacks that disparage not just the man but the office have no place in civilized political discourse. I do not mean to imply that those who hold views similar to yours have a monopoly on discourtesy.  The legions who attacked President Nixon during his tenure were guilty of the same lack of honor.  More recently, arch-conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh and Bob Grant have helped institutionalize disrespect.  It is not an issue of politics, it is a matter of manners, pure and simple.  Hysterical and personal invective, whether liberal or conservative, sways no one’s opinion.  It simply tells others that Americans are a bunch of boors.  To say nothing of what we are teaching our children! Indeed, I believe that Americans have become fed up with negativism and discourtesy in the political process.  IMO, the best messages to come from the presidential debate held last night in Hartford were the expressions of professional respect and personal amity that each candidate holds for the other.  If you respect Mr. Dole, your chosen candidate, at all, then I suggest you follow his example of courteous and honorable conduct. I also urge you to retract your statements and apologize for the poor behavior you have exhibited in front of thousands of people.  While you are entitled to your policitcal views, you are not entitled to disparage America at the same time that you ask for the loyalty of Americans.  It is for this reason that I intend to join the boycott of your products. Respectfully, Michael Zuch

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Tom, Good post! I won’t buy any Gink or Xink either. An interesting article appeared in the April 1996 issue of Fly Rod & Reel entitled "Out of Touch" by Ted Williams. Information in the article was collated by the National Wildlife Foundation. The article makes for interesting reading, but a portion lists the "dirty dozens" …."those listed are the dirtiest of the dirty; to make this compliation, they had to enter an anti-enviornmental vote on at least five of six occasions."(page 40) The Senate list had 49 Republicans and 1 Democrat. The House had 176 republicans and 13 Democrats. Mr.Dole made the list with five out of a possible of six anti-enviornmental votes. Norm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom, Good post! I won’t buy any Gink or Xink either. An interesting article appeared in the April 1996 issue of Fly Rod & Reel entitled "Out of Touch" by Ted Williams. Information in the article was collated by the National Wildlife Foundation. The article makes for interesting reading, but a portion lists the "dirty dozens" …."those listed are the dirtiest of the dirty; to make this compliation, they had to enter an anti-enviornmental vote on at least five of six occasions."(page 40) The Senate list had 49 Republicans and 1 Democrat. The House had 176 republicans and 13 Democrats. Mr.Dole made the list with five out of a possible of six anti-enviornmental votes. Norm

  As Spinolio has rightly pointed out, the tone of George’s post was none too sweet. I am not condoning how he stated his feelings.  I also think he passed the point of "good taste".   What I do find amusing is the flight by some, on angelic wings, too some self-ordanined "higher ground". It is patently bullfeathers. Your above quoted article was printed on paper from trees, yes folks, trees that most likely where the result of clear cutting, are we all going to cancel our subscription ??  .  Mr Williams myopic views are well known and his cutting down of trees to get them printed is no less " anti-enviromental" than the people he  harpoons editorially.  How much tool oil went down some river to get your reels made?  Did your return the reel ?  How many Dams provide power so you can run your computer ? Do you shut your power off in protest?  The hypocrisy is knee deep here     The very idea that this "Holy" sport is a "non-impact", environmentally PC way of entertainment, is absolute crap on the face of it, and if you think that by partaking in this "hobby" you are somehow an environmentalist, you had better look again.  It is a blood sport that requires one to use, yes use , natural resources to partake. This is a contact sport folks, we impact the river, lake, creek environs  hard and to think we do not is teaching what to our children ?.    I don’t mean to point toward you per say Norm , it is just that there is an aroma about this that makes me gag. George is not the only one who may want to apologize "internationally", what ever that means.   It’s Monday…   Harry

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Fact is Mr. Clinton has been in office for 4 years and some very tough gun regulating laws have been passed…as far as I know no sportsman has had his or her hunting rifle confiscated….second fact…there is no question which Presidential candidate will better protect our natural resources…third fact, the Vietnam war was nothing like WW1 or WW2…to use that war as a litimus test of ones patriotism is absurd…55,000 American men and women died to satisfy the hard ons of politicians and big business…fourth fact..Mr Gehreke is intitled to think what he wants of Bill Clinton, but he should check into the reality a bit more before openning his mouth.  Thanks for your time and bandwidth.

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Snip, snip, snip, snip, snip… I gotta say that I find this ad-hominem, mouth-foaming, pissing-contest sort of post really nauseating on this newsgroup, which I thought was for people who enjoy the __peace and quiet__ that goes along with fly-fishing. Sure, let’s fight for what we hold dear; but calling people filthy names just because they wrote out a carefully considered opinion that doesn’t agree with you, is offputting and embarrassing to see in a newsgroup like this. Just my $.02 CDN. — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html

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: ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Well, I’m not certain how this fits into the discussion on the taxation of outdoor equipment Those with short memories and/or brain damage (Mr. Gehrke, perhaps?) sould be reminded that all hunting and fishing gear sold in the US has, for years, been subject to special excise taxes (generally referred to as "Pitman-Robertson" and "Dingell-Johnson", after the legislative sponsors). These taxes have been a notable success, mainly because they are "earmarked" for specific purposes, and don’t go into general revenue. Thus, a proposal for extending the base for these taxes *should* be discussed rationally, not by referring to ‘two-faced lying whore hoppers’. As for "draft dodging", Mr. Gehrke is just out of touch. The Vietnam era was indeed controversial. Those of draft age at that time could fall into four basic categories: 1. agreed with the war, and went – gotta respect these guys 2. harboured major doubts that the war was right, but went anyway – can appreciate the dilemma that these guys faced, gotta respect them too 3. believed the war was wrong, and didn’t go – obviously a group Mr. Gehrke despises, but making a decision of that nature involved significant personal sacrifice for many (living just 6 miles north of the US border, I know how many of my neighbours are US expats) 4. believed that the war was a great thing, provided someone else went; "preserve my ass, but ship out the farm boys and ghetto rats" ; these pond scum include Dan Quayle (whose daddy bought him a postion in the Guard) and Rush Limbaugh (whose family hired a specialist to come up with a medical problem that the army doc couldn’t find); no way anyone should respect these turds I’d respect Mr. Gehrke’s disgust with the folks in group 3 if I didn’t suspect he was kissing the asses of the sleazeballs in group 4. : VOTE DOLE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HERITAGE. Of course, in the event that the Republicans are too successful (i.e. Dole in the White House, with the Newtzies still running the House), the question becomes academic – yes, you’ll be able to own as many guns as you want, but there will be nothing to hunt (and nowhere to go to hunt). And, if the water’s unsafe to drink, there ain’t gonna be a lot of fishing around either. This isn’t a Democrat/ Republican issue (respect a lot of folks on both sides) or a liberal/conservative issue (as above), but a *sane/insane* issue. Now, I guess the next major question is : I’ve read more posts from Mr. Gehrke than I really want to, given that his style (rabid) and his orientation (screw the environment, I wanna go fishing) are so extreme. Why does Mr. Gehrke, who owes his livelihood to the existence of a healthy environment, take such anti-environmental stands? BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott? 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Well, I’m not certain how this fits into the discussion on the taxation of outdoor equipment Those with short memories and/or brain damage (Mr. Gehrke, perhaps?) sould be reminded that all hunting and fishing gear sold in the US has, for years, been subject to special excise taxes (generally referred to as "Pitman-Robertson" and "Dingell-Johnson", after the legislative sponsors). These taxes have been a notable success, mainly because they are "earmarked" for specific purposes, and don’t go into general revenue. Thus, a proposal for extending the base for these taxes *should* be discussed rationally, not by referring to ‘two-faced lying whore hoppers’. As for "draft dodging", Mr. Gehrke is just out of touch. The Vietnam era was indeed controversial. Those of draft age at that time could fall into four basic categories: 1. agreed with the war, and went – gotta respect these guys 2. harboured major doubts that the war was right, but went anyway – can appreciate the dilemma that these guys faced, gotta respect them too 3. believed the war was wrong, and didn’t go – obviously a group Mr. Gehrke despises, but making a decision of that nature involved significant personal sacrifice for many (living just 6 miles north of the US border, I know how many of my neighbours are US expats) 4. believed that the war was a great thing, provided someone else went; "preserve my ass, but ship out the farm boys and ghetto rats" ; these pond scum include Dan Quayle (whose daddy bought him a postion in the Guard) and Rush Limbaugh (whose family hired a specialist to come up with a medical problem that the army doc couldn’t find); no way anyone should respect these turds I’d respect Mr. Gehrke’s disgust with the folks in group 3 if I didn’t suspect he was kissing the asses of the sleazeballs in group 4. : VOTE DOLE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HERITAGE. Of course, in the event that the Republicans are too successful (i.e. Dole in the White House, with the Newtzies still running the House), the question becomes academic – yes, you’ll be able to own as many guns as you want, but there will be nothing to hunt (and nowhere to go to hunt). And, if the water’s unsafe to drink, there ain’t gonna be a lot of fishing around either. This isn’t a Democrat/ Republican issue (respect a lot of folks on both sides) or a liberal/conservative issue (as above), but a *sane/insane* issue. Now, I guess the next major question is : I’ve read more posts from Mr. Gehrke than I really want to, given that his style (rabid) and his orientation (screw the environment, I wanna go fishing) are so extreme. Why does Mr. Gehrke, who owes his livelihood to the existence of a healthy environment, take such anti-environmental stands? BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott? 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

  My, My, How mean-spirted we are today, hows the clear cutting going in B.C. ? Did the republicans get into Canada also ?   Just asking..   Harry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : ——DEFEAT THE DOPE SMOKING, DRAFT DODGING, GUN HATING, COCAIN : SNIFFING, MENA VISITOR (Fly In Site for his Coke Habit In Oklahoma) TWO Well, I’m not certain how this fits into the discussion on the taxation of outdoor equipment Those with short memories and/or brain damage (Mr. Gehrke, perhaps?) sould be reminded that all hunting and fishing gear sold in the US has, for years, been subject to special excise taxes (generally referred to as "Pitman-Robertson" and "Dingell-Johnson", after the legislative sponsors). These taxes have been a notable success, mainly because they are "earmarked" for specific purposes, and don’t go into general revenue. Thus, a proposal for extending the base for these taxes *should* be discussed rationally, not by referring to ‘two-faced lying whore hoppers’. As for "draft dodging", Mr. Gehrke is just out of touch. The Vietnam era was indeed controversial. Those of draft age at that time could fall into four basic categories: 1. agreed with the war, and went – gotta respect these guys 2. harboured major doubts that the war was right, but went anyway – can appreciate the dilemma that these guys faced, gotta respect them too 3. believed the war was wrong, and didn’t go – obviously a group Mr. Gehrke despises, but making a decision of that nature involved significant personal sacrifice for many (living just 6 miles north of the US border, I know how many of my neighbours are US expats) 4. believed that the war was a great thing, provided someone else went; "preserve my ass, but ship out the farm boys and ghetto rats" ; these pond scum include Dan Quayle (whose daddy bought him a postion in the Guard) and Rush Limbaugh (whose family hired a specialist to come up with a medical problem that the army doc couldn’t find); no way anyone should respect these turds I’d respect Mr. Gehrke’s disgust with the folks in group 3 if I didn’t suspect he was kissing the asses of the sleazeballs in group 4. : VOTE DOLE IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR GUNS AND YOUR HERITAGE. Of course, in the event that the Republicans are too successful (i.e. Dole in the White House, with the Newtzies still running the House), the question becomes academic – yes, you’ll be able to own as many guns as you want, but there will be nothing to hunt (and nowhere to go to hunt). And, if the water’s unsafe to drink, there ain’t gonna be a lot of fishing around either. This isn’t a Democrat/ Republican issue (respect a lot of folks on both sides) or a liberal/conservative issue (as above), but a *sane/insane* issue. Now, I guess the next major question is : I’ve read more posts from Mr. Gehrke than I really want to, given that his style (rabid) and his orientation (screw the environment, I wanna go fishing) are so extreme. Why does Mr. Gehrke, who owes his livelihood to the existence of a healthy environment, take such anti-environmental stands? BTW, my fly vest contains about a half-bottle each of "Gink" and "Xink". They’ll be the last I’ll buy. Anyone else want to join this boycott? 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

It is evident that a Canadian, who may have harbored the idea of draft dodgers isn’t anyone I care to do business with anyways. That a Canadian has the reasons to justify why Americans should be draft dodgers, such as Slick Willie Clinton as opposed to the WWII Combat Soldier that is now running against  him, Bob Dole, I regard as a vacilating mind that is concerned about his own best interests and not that of his neighbors who were willing to die for his views, as wrong as they are. So, if you want to start a boycott, be my guest.  But don’t go around saying that I’m against good environmental stands and taxing, taxing, taxing is NOT the solution.  Not being responsible in defending the general public AGAINST POLITICAL TAXING IDEAS SUCH AS YOURS, would be criminal.  Not fighting the U.S. Forest Service with their sick plans to destroy our last remaining National Virgin Forests, is pure laziness and apathy.  My passion is against people who hold opposite points of view to these premises.  My record regarding my life long fight to uphold and prevent the special interests from destroying what remains for our childrens tomorrows is well documented.  I take special offense to your stupid, shallow, and outright filthy lies and acquisations to the contrary.  It is my company and my dollars and my staff and our persistant efforts over decades of work that have fought the good fight. Where the hell do you get off telling everybody that I have anti-environmental stands?  I spend thousands of dollars of Gink money every years supporting Trout Clubs, Many Chapers of T.U. the Federation of Fly Fishermen, Political candiates who care about your outdoor inventories . . . and because I don’t want the slick politicians taxing bikers, camping gear . . . you assume the worse?  You’re a very ill-informed, close-minded, selfish sonofabitch! In a lifetime of blood, sweat and tears, of writing letters, of digging in and putting my money where my mouth is, where were you in America? I’ll tell you where.  No where!  Never, in tens of thousands of dollars of donations to preserving, protecting and defending the enviornment has anyone . . . ANYONE . . . ever even said, "thank you". Well, I don’t want anyone’s thanks.  I haven’t given my entire life to the great American Outdoors to solicite anyones ‘thanks’.  I don’t need it.  Don’t want it. But you sir.  Are a pompous, ignorant person who knows NOTHING of what he is talking about. So, had you not snipped or had the full benefit of the entire thread of where our original distain for Slick Willie Clinton had started, you would have realized the justification for calling this liar of a President down for what he is.  Dishonest, unhonorable, and a yuppie who has not served this country, who is now a President that has not stopped the clear cutting timber barons, nor the dam builders, nor any of the rape that continues in outdoor America by special interests, even as I speak and you listen. I really think I’m wasting my time here. Color me gone. Do with my products what you want.  They still are the world’s best that you can buy.  If you want to go second class, that is your choice.  We have always appreciated our supporters business.  But if you think you can black-mail me . . . think again. At least you didn’t do business with a compromiser.  They will say anything to fall in line with such as yourself. I won’t. Tight lines always in the fond memories my products have given you. That, to me is the main satisfaction I’ve had on your life.  I’ve given you the best that is in me.  You can never that away.  Its too late. You want to take prisoners.  I don’t want any. I’ve about had enough of this net business anyhow.  My time is better used elsewhere. Color me gone. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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I plan to be in Thunder Bay, Ont. in mid-July. Does anyone have suggestions for places to fly fish for trout or smallmouths?

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I am often up in T-Bay on business and I am looking for good spots too, so if anyone has any ideas? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I plan to be in Thunder Bay, Ont. in mid-July. Does anyone have suggestions for places to fly fish for trout or smallmouths?

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<snip but it also has these heavy nylon cord loops on both sleaves and on the back.  What are these used for?  I think it’s some kind of fly-fishing kind of thing.<snip

The loops are for little cable retracter thingys to attach to, which in turn attach to yer fly floatant and nippers, etc…. (:-) Jim

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I just bought a really coool Columbia shirt with all kinds of niffty pockets with Velcro closures and stuff, but it also has these heavy nylon cord loops on both sleaves and on the back.  What are these used for?  I think it’s some kind of fly-fishing kind of thing. We don’t know much about fly-fishing down here in Texas.  In fact, our idea of fishing is to set a tub of clean water down by a muddy creek and wack the fish on the head with sticks as they wiggle up on the bank trying to get to the clean water. Thanks, Gary Joe

Gary,         Those are called ’stringers’, and are used to ’string up’ the guy wearing the shirt for being an elitist, yuppie flyfisherperson.  You’ll notice that the location of the loops prevents the wearer of the shirt from reaching the attaching harness to get loose.  Once the elitist, yuppie flyfisherperson (EYF) is strung up the rest is like shooting fish in a tub of clean water!  :^) Charley

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I just bought a really coool Columbia shirt with all kinds of niffty pockets with Velcro closures and stuff, but it also has these heavy nylon cord loops on both sleaves and on the back.  What are these used for?  I think it’s some kind of fly-fishing kind of thing. We don’t know much about fly-fishing down here in Texas.  In fact, our idea of fishing is to set a tub of clean water down by a muddy creek and wack the fish on the head with sticks as they wiggle up on the bank trying to get to the clean water. Thanks, Gary Joe      <Opinions expressed and/or implied are not necessarily those of UPR         "I don’t know why I do stuff…I just do it."  - Bart Simpson

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