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What do you not like about fly fishing today? Today? Well, it was a bitch to get a good soft drop over the cube walls, steeple casts are bitch with a 10 foot ceiling, and I kept foul-hooking our group secretary. /daytripper (I need a 4 foot rod for "office fishing", I think…)

I got one you can try.  Shall I bring it to the Spring Fling?

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What do you not like about fly fishing today?

Mostly that it didn’t happen today.

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Yes, I too fear those menacing gun-toting steaks.

Yeah, but they’re pretty rare.

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Yes, I too fear those menacing gun-toting steaks. Yeah, but they’re pretty rare.

LMAO!

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What do you not like about fly fishing today?

Stupid questions.      - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the  initiative in creating the Internet."  - Al Gore

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What do you not like about fly fishing today?

It’s too cold out; most of the ponds are still frozen. And don’t get me started about the high country. I’m not too crazy about the gun-toting snakes either. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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What do you not like about fly fishing today?

all the damn people in my way as i try to shoot 150 yards over/under/through endangered rhododendron on quismeahss creek…. pisses me off !!! another pisser…. uhmm…. dumb queries. waldo

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Yes, I too fear those menacing gun-toting steaks. Opie in NC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you not like about fly fishing today? It’s too cold out; most of the ponds are still frozen. And don’t get me started about the high country. I’m not too crazy about the gun-toting snakes either. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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You should see the English ones !  Drive you mad they can ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Yes, I too fear those menacing gun-toting steaks. Yeah, but they’re pretty rare.

Mostly.  But there’s one TBone that tends to be over done.

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What do you not like about fly fishing today?

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What do you not like about fly fishing today?

Today? Well, it was a bitch to get a good soft drop over the cube walls, steeple casts are bitch with a 10 foot ceiling, and I kept foul-hooking our group secretary. /daytripper (I need a 4 foot rod for "office fishing", I think…)

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Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage.

300 Miles?  That’s a LOT of territory, and you would be hard-pressed to see it all in two weeks, unless you have access to a helicopter and unlimited fuel. Let’s see…. In Anchorage itself, you’ll want to try to get up to Elmendorf AFB to the museum there — if it’s still there.  It’s small, but it’s interesting.   There should also be a muesum out at the University campus. Do you enjoy walking?  Take a stroll down 4th Avenue.  Lots of shops to visit. I just started paging through my copy of The Milepost (information on everything and everywhere in Alaska) and saw about 30 or so pages of stuff about Anchorage itself, much less the stuff for 300 miles around.  Check with your local bookstore and order a copy.  Be sure to take it with you! — — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs AOL IM:    "MSF Steve"

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Also just to let you know there is a marathon in Anchorage on June 19 — should be lots of people there from All over. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. 300 Miles?  That’s a LOT of territory, and you would be hard-pressed to see it all in two weeks, unless you have access to a helicopter and unlimited fuel. Let’s see…. In Anchorage itself, you’ll want to try to get up to Elmendorf AFB to the museum there — if it’s still there.  It’s small, but it’s interesting. There should also be a muesum out at the University campus. Do you enjoy walking?  Take a stroll down 4th Avenue.  Lots of shops to visit. I just started paging through my copy of The Milepost (information on everything and everywhere in Alaska) and saw about 30 or so pages of stuff about Anchorage itself, much less the stuff for 300 miles around.  Check with your local bookstore and order a copy.  Be sure to take it with you! — — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs AOL IM:    "MSF Steve"

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Alaska has many state parks with reasonable rates ($8-15) per night – but don’t expect to have water and elec at the site – just woods, water and wildlife!  There are RV parks – you know the kind that resemble the parking lots at Sea World type of places and charge plenty!  I lived in Anchorage for most of 5 years and some in Valdez and still bought a Milepost to travel and sightsee (1-800-726-4707) If I knew more info, maybe I could help more. Are you camping with a self sufficient RV? Are you renting locally? Are you interested in native culture? Do you want to hunt and fish unguided? Are you "into" shopping? for what type of items? How physically active are you? DO NOT FEED THE WILDLIFE!!! I think the Milepost is the most comprehensive guide for Alaska and recommend that you get one in advance and let it help with your itinerary. Be prepared for mucho tourist traffic and tall tales by the local folks… Barbara "The herd may graze where it pleases, but she who lives the adventurous life will remain unafraid when she finds herself alone." (slightly modified)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. Mac

A couple of years ago we did an exploratory trip to Alaska.  We flew into Anchorage, rented a car and drove down to Seward where you can go ocean fishing or take sightseeing boats to the Kenai (take the one that goes the farthest). Then we drove up to Denali.  Took the evening bus trip into the park.  I do not know if we were just lucky, but saw tons of moose, bear, and other wildlife.  (Same on ocean cruise to Kenai Fjords: 3 kinds of whale, tons of birds, and sea life sunning on the rocks.  Had been on two ocean cruises off Maine and never saw a whale or a puffin.  My wife was ecstatic!) Did a circuit around Fairbanks and Tok.  Lots of miles.  Some sites. Liked the gold stuff around Fairbanks, but the Independence Mine between Willow and Wasilla is great too.  Great site seeing on the road east from Palmer, as well as south from Anchorage.  The gold panning in Fairbanks is nice.  Not sure I would recommend the riverboat in Fairbanks tho, too touristy. Drove and stayed at B & B’s.  Could have rented a motorhome for the same price.  Either way, you definitely need reservations in Seward and Denali.  Most of the other places, you should be able to find facilities when you drive in. Enjoy. jb —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. Mac

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You’ve "lucked" into one of the very best times to visit our area, although one of the busiest times too!  I live here so haven’t "camped" much.  It’s so hard to recommend anything without knowing more about you.  How adventurous are you?  There is some very wild river rafting on Six Mile Creek into Hope, rock climbing in the Chugach mountains, etc.  Flightseeing trips that circle Denali or that fly over the glaciers are great.  The Kenai Fjords out of Seward offer a big boat tour, sailing charters, or kayaking. I like to visit Exit Glacier when I go to Seward (not too far off the road and a short, easy trail to the glacier face or an arduous trail to the snow fields above the glacier).  Like to fish, try Homer or Ninilchik fishing charters both a different experience.  The Kenai river offers a chance at some Kings (very LARGE ones) or you can charter a rainbow trout float trip on the upper river (one of my favorites).  I like the Double Musky in Girdwood for unique dining, The White Spot in downtown Anchorage for a good "greasy burger".  Summit Lodge halfway between Anchorage and Soldotna is a good place to stretch your legs and fill your tummy.  They have good pies too.  Sorry, to run on here, reserve a rental car early as they can disappear fast in June, enjoy. Sharon   I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska   I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around

Anchorage.

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Sorry, I forgot to mention the price and ordering number for the outfit below, it is $39.97 and order # D8C-26617.  They also have a couple of fly fishing vests, a 9 pocket mesh for $24.97 and a 17 pocket classic for 29.97. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just saw this in the Sportsman’s Guide catalog for you guys that are looking for a cheap outfit to learn to fly fish or teach you son flyfishing.  The toll free ordering number is 1-800-888-3006.. 6/7 weight 8 foot Martin 8067C fiberglass fly rod Martin 6355 reel WF6F Line 100 yards of backing 7 1/2 foot tapered leader 4 pound test tippet — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS

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I just saw this in the Sportsman’s Guide catalog for you guys that are looking for a cheap outfit to learn to fly fish or teach you son flyfishing.  The toll free ordering number is 1-800-888-3006.. 6/7 weight 8 foot Martin 8067C fiberglass fly rod Martin 6355 reel WF6F Line 100 yards of backing 7 1/2 foot tapered leader 4 pound test tippet — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail GO TO http://users.ccnet.com/~emh FOR TRAVEL TIE BOX PLANS

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For Immediate Release Announcing the Boca Grande Fly fishing School’s November Session Where:  Uncle Henry’s Marina Resort in Boca Grande, Fl When:  November 14 thru 16, 1997 Levels of Experience: all levels, novice thru expert Class Size: max. 12 Instructors:  3 Theme:  "Learn to Fly Fish, not just Fly Cast" Special Features:       1. Actual fishing with your instructors                         2. All instructors present at all times                         3. Minimum classroom time                         4. Instructional text book                         5. Finest Sage rods                         6. Saturday evening Bar-B-Que Includes:       1. All tackle                 2. Fishing license                 3. Lunch and refreshments                 4. Guided fishing with your instructor What to bring: hat, sunglasses, sunscreen, rain jacket, and a Sense of Humor Cost: $495.00 per angler (Family Rates available) Contact: Capt.. Pete Greenan 1-941-923-6095 or http://www.floridaflyfishing.com/FFSchools.html — http://www.floridaflyfishing.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For Immediate Release Announcing the Boca Grande Fly fishing School’s November Session Where:  Uncle Henry’s Marina Resort in Boca Grande, Fl When:  November 14 thru 16, 1997 Levels of Experience: all levels, novice thru expert Class Size: max. 12 Instructors:  3 Theme:  "Learn to Fly Fish, not just Fly Cast" Special Features:       1. Actual fishing with your instructors 2. All instructors present at all times                         3. Minimum classroom time                         4. Instructional text book                         5. Finest Sage rods                         6. Saturday evening Bar-B-Que Includes:       1. All tackle                 2. Fishing license                 3. Lunch and refreshments                 4. Guided fishing with your instructor What to bring: hat, sunglasses, sunscreen, rain jacket, and a Sense of Humor Cost: $495.00 per angler (Family Rates available) Contact: Capt.. Pete Greenan 1-941-923-6095 or http://www.floridaflyfishing.com/FFSchools.html — http://www.floridaflyfishing.com

OK Tim, this is an ad so I consider it fair game!   — William J. Hobson, CNE,CNA Network and Computing Support Services Texas Engineering Experiment Station Phone: (409) 845-5808

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PLEASE EVERY BODY dont wast your money on this, if you want real advise book a charter boat captian, they’ll teach you how to do all that with PRIVATE instruction and are usually CHEAPER. Here is one I know http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/toccoa/Default.htm#Captain -Paradoxal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For Immediate Release Announcing the Boca Grande Fly fishing School’s November Session Where:  Uncle Henry’s Marina Resort in Boca Grande, Fl When:  November 14 thru 16, 1997 Levels of Experience: all levels, novice thru expert Class Size: max. 12 Instructors:  3 Theme:  "Learn to Fly Fish, not just Fly Cast" Special Features:       1. Actual fishing with your instructors 2. All instructors present at all times                         3. Minimum classroom time                         4. Instructional text book                         5. Finest Sage rods                         6. Saturday evening Bar-B-Que Includes:       1. All tackle                 2. Fishing license                 3. Lunch and refreshments                 4. Guided fishing with your instructor What to bring: hat, sunglasses, sunscreen, rain jacket, and a Sense of Humor Cost: $495.00 per angler (Family Rates available) Contact: Capt.. Pete Greenan 1-941-923-6095 or http://www.floridaflyfishing.com/FFSchools.html — http://www.floridaflyfishing.com

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Someone asked me to finish this story <snip

You have some imagination there Mr. G., I bet your wife is waiting for the season to open…*G* Great job, I enjoyed it……

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Someone asked me to finish this story <snip You have some imagination there Mr. G., I bet your wife is waiting for the season to open…*G* Great job, I enjoyed it……

THIS BASICALLY IS A STORY BASED ON A TRUE EVENT.  Only the size of the Fish has been exaggerated. Mr. G And I am so pleased you enjoyed it Mr Busted. again,

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Someone asked me to finish this story I wrote a few months ago.  So here it is, finished.  He was smart enough to ‘ask the question’  The answer is in this dear, wonderful, almost completely true, story that took place in the Bitterroot Valley in Montana.  I hope everyone enjoys it. A TROUBLED MORNING  or (Duckling Advice) So, there we all were, gathered around for our early morning donuts and coffee.  John lived out South of Hamilton going towards Darby.  He had this neat little spread and a pond that was fed by the Bitterroot River . . . and the pond had ducks on it.  One of the Mallard females had little, yellow baby ducklings.  "They

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re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

No, but I hear smoking a rat works well. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Has anyone had any experience with a new product from SC Johnson that does not contain DEET — Skintastic.  Please let me know if effective. -Mark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines             Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown           http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

  Morgan  Try eating lots of vitamin B-12 a week or so before you go. Deet products do work though.   Harry

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Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

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: Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a : residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. : : Rich : Utah Fish Finder : http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing : Has anyone mentioned the smelly kind of Bounce pined to your collar or fishing hat? I use it to keep deer flies away. Cheers, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

     (I missed part of this thread, so if I repeat things I apologise.)      Many years ago, I spent two summers working on an archeological project in the Malheur Refuge/Blitzen River region of southeastern Oregon.  This is SERIOUS mosquito country, and we tried everything under the sun (there was plenty of that, too.)  DEET worked best, but it is yucky, maybe dangerous,etc etc.  Here’s a quick summary of our experiments: SMOKE:  Cigar and pipe smoke definitely help.  I smoked a very cheap brand of pipe tobacco called Granger, but I haven’t seen this for years.  A really effective method, taught to us by a Basque geologist, was to make a sort of incense burner out of a large tin can and burn dried cow chips upwind of where we were excavating, though this wouldn’t work for fishing.  (This smoke does not stink.) OILS: The Organic/Vegetarians among us tried oils of pennyroyal, eucalyptus, citronella, camphor, and cedar.  These weren’t much help; they were most effective when mixed with mineral oil or vaseline to give a greasy coating to the skin.  FYI, pennyroyal smells like an angry skunk wearing patchouli. VITAMINS: Some folks tried taking massive doses of B vitamins.  I don’t know if this worked on the bugs, but the users smelled faintly of vitamins after a while. COVERAGE: One fellow was very sensitive to bug bites, and took to wearing a mesh mask and long sleeved shirts.  He cut a very mysterious figure out there in the High Desert, but this worked  well, especially when he sprayed the shirt and mask lightly with DEET-based repellent.  I have since heard of people installing a transparent plastic view port in a mesh mask to improve vision.      Hope this helps.  –Roger (formerly an archeologist) Wiggin, Portland

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try Avon’s Skin-so-soft.  It works great, smells okay, and doesn’t leave a residue on things because you don’t spray it–it’s a lotion. Rich Utah Fish Finder http://www.xmission.com/~rpprods/utah/fishing Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

Avon’s Skin-so-soft works for some folks but not for others (and won’t handle bad bugs). Perhaps it has something to do with body chemistry. All Terrain out of California make a bug repellent and bug repellent/sun screen combo that has no DEET or other nasty stuff. I have tested it and it works if your problem is not to bad, i.e. won’t handle northwoods blackflies. I find that it lasts for an hour to two hours. If the problem is severe, there is no substitute for DEET. When faced with a trip to a blackfly infested area I don’t use any soap or shampoo for several days before or during the duration of the trip, and then try and use as little of a very strong Deet solution as possible. Bug jackets are another solution but they can be a pain and, as a smoker, I can’t handle net over my face. I concur as well with the earlier advice about cigars, I like to have several packages of the stinkiest and longest lasting I can find. Paul Marriner

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Avon’s Skin-so-soft works for some folks but not for others (and won’t handle bad bugs)…I find that it lasts for an hour to two hours. …

This has been my experience also.  The active mosquito-repelling ingredient in Skin-So-Soft is good old citronella.  It works for mosquitoes for awhile, but after the citronella wears off in an hour or so, it’s time for more.  It does come in a sun screen variety, by the way. All in all, for long lasting mosquito protection, DEET is the only thing that really works.  Of course, it’s also a darn good solvent for plastic.

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I had an opportunity to try Skintastic this summer in Fairbanks. It worked very well for up to four hours, although I wasn’t on the river during that time (we were hiking…). Otherwise, with just some old generic repellant, the ’skeetas’ chewed me and my family up "right well." Luckily, Fairbanks was the only place in late June where we ran into mosquitos in any significant number. Maybe they just don’t like West Texans…?

Maybe they were skeeters transplanted from Colorado. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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I make my own repellent. I call it "TBone’s Artificial Bug Repellent".  I still get the crap bit out of me by real bugs, but every time a try to to on an artificial, I drop it into the river never to be seen again, so I know that it works. TimW

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I suffer from the same problem. If I’m in a crowd one mosquito’ll find me. Try vitamin B-1. Load up for a week before you go out. Something about it turns ‘em off. Regards, — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I suffer from the same problem. If I’m in a crowd one mosquito’ll find me. Try vitamin B-1. Load up for a week before you go out. Something about it turns ‘em off.

AHH GOOD NEWS, WERE IN LUCK !!!! Plenty of B Vites in the beer I’ll bring along…what time are we leaving ?!?!? TimW

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Has anyone had any experience with a new product from SC Johnson that does not contain DEET — Skintastic.  Please let me know if effective. -Mark

I used Natrapel last week where there were swarms of mosquitos.   Worked very well!  Got about four bites after 2 nights of camping/fishing.

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I have heard this from other sources but unfortunately it is not true the Skintastic is DEET-free. Skintastic contains N,N-diethyl-meta-toluamide which is DEET. The selling points for Skintastic are that it contains less DEET (6.65%), has aloe for the skin and is not supposed to feel greasy. DEET got a bad name when it was linked to Gulf War Syndrome where it is thought to have been a causative agent when administered in combination with an anti-nerve gas drug (a cholinesterase inhibitor, I believe). DEET has also been implicated in neurotoxic reactions in kids when applied frequently with preparations containing high amounts of DEET (50% or more). The only DEET missing from Skintastic is the word DEET on the label. The marketing people probably wanted to avoid pushing the DEET! hot buttons of consumers. Typical, just avoid the D-word and it will be all right. From what I have read, DEET repels bugs in a concentration dependent manner with 25% DEET being adequate for ticks and less needed for mosquitoes. Apparently, 56% of DEET applied to the skin is absorbed into your system where it is deposited in fat and takes several months to be mobilized and then metabolized in the liver for excretion. Thus, the more you apply the more you accumulate. The duration of effect is also concentration dependent since DEET evaporates and then requires reapplication. Higher concentrations give a longer lasting effect. The totality of the toxic effects of DEET remain unclear. However, young children seem to be the most affected either due to body size or inherent sensitivity. I suppose it will take a generation of adult guinea pigs to ascertain any long term effects of DEET use in adults. My wife and I generally try to apply DEET products to our clothes. We use a bandana with DEET on it that hangs over the forehead and over the back of the neck under a broadbrimmed hat for head protection. This seems to generate a DEET miasma in the air near the skin and works well on mosquitoes and blackflies. This leaves the hands as a target where we apply as little DEET as possible. For our daughter (22 mo.), we don’t use any DEET but dress her with turtle neck shirt and long pants and use citronella oil wipes on her exposed skin. This works OK but requires frequent reapplication. It would be interesting to hear some more nonDEET repellent strategies. Live long and bug-free. Jon

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I had an opportunity to try Skintastic this summer in Fairbanks. It worked very well for up to four hours, although I wasn’t on the river during that time (we were hiking…). Otherwise, with just some old generic repellant, the ’skeetas’ chewed me and my family up "right well." Luckily, Fairbanks was the only place in late June where we ran into mosquitos in any significant number. Maybe they just don’t like West Texans…? Roger Saathoff Lubbock

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines             Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown           http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

   Note:   I have been using strips of Downy fabric softner tyed to my shirt or hat with some success in keeping bugs away.  Not 100% but it helps.   Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                     Colorado School of Mines           Rice University                     Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown            http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

This is a pretty common problem.  Someone taught me a trick recently.  When you apply DEET, put it on the BACK of one hand, and rub the backs of your hands together.  Try to avoid getting DEET on the front of your hands. Good Luck Scott

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel! Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN Colorado School of Mines Rice University Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown          http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

re: BUG REPELLANT. have you tried smoking cigars?? there are a couple of good cigars that my friends and i smoke and actually keep the bugs at bay..

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Over the years, I’ve become convinced of the effectiveness of a good DEET-based insect repellent.  For some reason, those little blood-sucking bastards find ME particularly tasty.  Since I attend school in Houston and maintain a permanent address in New Orleans, I routinely douse my exposed extremities in repellent if I go fishing. However, the thin plastic coating on my steering wheel has been dissolved by residue from the repellant left on my hand, so every time I leave my truck in the sun, the top of the wheel gets a gummy, sticky consistency.  Also, since I started flyfishing recently, I’ve noticed that my fly line has shown the same signs of corrosion and deterioration as my poor steering wheel!   Oh, how I wish I was as hairy as my father!!! — MORGAN P. BROWN                 Colorado School of Mines                 Rice University                 Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown                http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

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Did anyone catch a Namaycush on a fly (wet or dry)?

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: Did anyone catch a Namaycush on a fly (wet or dry)? I fish lake trout quite frequently on the fly, in the spring, just after ice-out.  I normally throw a sink-tip or sinking line.  If the laker population is largely piscivorous (fish-eating), I start near an inflowing stream where they’ll probably be gorging on baitfish in fairly shallow water.  In Switzerland, I expect bream and perch are likely forage.  In these conditions, I’ll go with some kind of a flashy streamer.  With planktivorous lake trout populations (those feeding mainly on invertebrates), some kind of an emerger pattern, matching the activity you see in the water, is usually a good bet.  I’ve never caught a _really_ big one like this, but I can assure you that a 4 kg fish on a 4 weight rod is certainly a memorable experience! In my area, flies are pretty much out of contention by mid-June, unless you’re fishing a really smal, spring-fed lake, wherein you might be able to use a fast-sinking line and get them all summer long!  Oh joy; oh bliss! Hope this helps.  Tchuss! —                                 | Dave Fluri                      |       "No me agaro ya de nada, para North Bay, Ontario, Canada      |        asi no tener nada que defender."                                 |               -Carlos Castaneda                                 |

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writes: :   Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I : want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also : I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. : Many thanks : Robert

Well Robert, I began fly fishing on a rod made by my friends dad, it was a 7 12 four weight…..a month later I got a L.L. Bean 8 foot 5 weight for 295.00 that includes the reel…..its a great rod and I consider it a very good price for the fun and fish i’ve gotton from it so far…..THey will send you a catalog if you call…..they also have fly kits that will start you out for about 25 dollars……good luck…. Matt, age 16

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   Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. Many thanks Robert

Bob: From another Bob.  Find yourself a sports shop that at least carries flyfishing equipment.  Buy a "discovery" or "introductory" outfit that includes an 8′ to 9′ rod in a 5 or 6 weight.  See if your local adult education organization (or the shop you bought the outfit from) has any beginner flyfishing/casting classes, and go do it.   The outfit shouldn’t cost you much more than $100 to $150. Another good way to try it out is to find a FLYFISHING guide in your area and hire him/her for a day.  A little more expensive, but they can probably provide the equipment, give you some great instruction, and you would probably even catch some fish. Finally, a couple more sources to try are Fly Rod and Reel, American Angler, and Flyfishing magazines.  Also, you may already know about this, but you might want to post your inquiry on the newsgroup rec.outdoors.fishing.fly. Have fun, it’s a great sport. Bob Peters

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        Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. Many thanks Robert

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:       Hi I am looking for some information on fly fishing. I : want to know about how much it would cost me to get started. Also : I would like to know any other info to help me gewt started. : Many thanks : Robert Don’t do what I did, and buy the $29.95 Fly-Fishing starter-kit from Shakespeare! What a mistake. I have yet to get a fly on/in the water with this set-up… The fly-line included with the kit was made in China and was wrapped up with a VERY gummy/sticky label. Even after cleaning at the line for an hour it was still gummy and wouldn’t slide through the guides, so I shopped around for some replacement line. $15 dollars (and much confusion about which type line to buy) later, I had that, but still couldn’t get the thing to cast at all, so it’s collecting dust in a corner of the basement. I did manage to succesfully do some flyfishing this past week though, for the first time in my life. I bought some clear bobbers, and used them with about 4 feet of 6lb leader and a fly on my spinning rod. I caught a bucket full of large bluegills, crappie, and bass. Some of the fish were hitting on the bobber, so maybe I should adapt a hook onto it for next time… Anyone else do the majority of their fishing from a seakayak? Cecil Williams

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: I’m planning a trip out to Calgary this summer to fish the Bow River. : Has anyone fished this river and can offer suggestions, tips, : comments about the river and the fishing?

A very difficult river to fish unless water-borne, and boating the river has its hazards. There are two large dams (Ghost River and Bearspaw) upstream of Calgary, and irrigation weir right in town, and another one downstream at Carseland. The big dams you will know about; the weirs (low-head dams) will catch you by surprise. Most float trips are between the weir downtown and Carseland weir. For a first time, use a guide — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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Great Guide for the Bow = Tom Cutmore of "Must be Nice" drift Fishing Co. out of Alberta. Tom’s a great guy, excellent fisherman and knows the Bow.  Had a ’super’ two day trip with Tom there several years ago. PS- He’s not a relative !! LOL !

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As for a guide, I don’t think you could get one that is better than Barry White.

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I’m going to have an opportunity to be in Calgary in mid June. What are the best areas to fish for a wading flyfisher with no guide? Interested in access, and what fly hatches I might encounter that time of year. Also,  how much does a short term Canadioa fishing license cost. Thanks in advance for any help. Dale Owens

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        Mid-June may be a little early for the Bow. Depending on the snowpack on the mountains, there may still be a heavy runoff. The Bow is still fishable then, but with large, heavy weighted streamers and mynphs. If possible, delay to later in the month to be on the safe side.

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Plainly [we live] in a world which rebuffs those who make demands upon it but one which lavishes benevolence upon those who ask for nothing.  It is this paradox which leads me to suspect that the esthetic derivatives of fishing are inversely proportional to the complexity and refinement of the angler’s methodology.   -Harold Blaisdell, The Philosophical Fisherman

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I am a member of The Long Beach Casting Club in Long Beach,CA, chartered in 1926. We are a not-for-profit fly fishing club and members of the Western Casting Association and the American Casting Association. We are fortunate enough to have a clubhouse and casting pond facility at our disposal. We provide classes in beginning fly casting instruction, fly fishing techniques, rod building and fly tying. All classes are held on Tuesday evenings at 7:00 P.M. ALL CLASSES ARE FREE TO THE PUBLIC. Our monthly meetings are usually on the last Thursday of the month but can change according to the availabilty of the speaker. We have hosted speakers such as Lani Waller, Polly Rosborough and A.K. Best to name a few. Aside from the Monthly meetings and classes we are involved in target and distance casting with flys and plugs throughout the months May through February. We host club trips each month to destinations as close as Newport Bay and Bolsa Chica Beach, to places like the Babine River, the Green River and Yellowstone. We boast of a high number of FFF Certified Casting instructors, nationally recognized fly-tyers, past national casting champions and a solid core of knowledgable, friendly, giving anglers. Anyone interested in finding out more about The Long Beach Casting Club can contact me via E-mail. As a public service I will start posting current and upcoming events of the Long Beach Casting Club. Watch this space for "L.B.C.C. Events". Remember that ALL INSTRUCTION IS FREE. Guy Manning

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Attributed to me: "Great fishing beats average sex"

Hell, LOUSY fishing beats average sex! Of course, there’s always the quote that goes:  "A man’s gotta believe in something, I believe I’ll go fishing."

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I’m doing a presentation for one of our local (well-established) fly-fishing clubs next week. My topic is fly-fishing "humour". Any of you folk got some favourite quotes?…

How about the Far Side cartoon with two guys in a boat on the lake with atomic mushroom clouds on the horizon. Guys looking at clouds with the quote "I’ll tell you what this means Norm… no size restrictions and screw the limits" Barry Welliver

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My current fav— "Give a man a fish and he’ll eat for a day.  Teach a man to fish and the damn fool will starve to  death before he comes in off the river!"  Author unknown Charley

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 Any of you folk got some favourite quotes?

. "I got a fly rod for my wife.  Not a bad trade huh?" . Timothy Raup Eagles Nest 1-401-353-3359

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My favorite quote by far comes from John Gerach’s book Dances With Trout: "If flyfishing is as good as sex, then I’m doing one of them wrong." For humor and entertaining reading about flyfishing, Gerach is very good.

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One of my favorites came from a friend I taught to bass bug last summer. "Flyfishing has to be the most elegant and expensive way to get skunked." JL 8-Wt Editor

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folk got some favourite quotes? All thoughts gratefully received. Might even be an occasion to persuade a few more of our folk to get on the net and chat.  

My father, an avid fly fisherman, says to my mother: "When one of us die, I’ll go fishing on Bornholm" Bornholm is a beautiful island with a lot of sea run salmon and trout. Another one, for which I don’t know the source goes something like this: "Those who say that fly fishing is better than sex, has no understanding of either" A very funny one. A danish tackle shop gets an order for a lot of vises for danes travelling to Saudi Arabia. A costumer stadning by says: "It must be for dry flies" Regards Martin Joergensen Copenhagen, Denmark

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a member of The Long Beach Casting Club in Long Beach,CA, chartered in 1926. We are a not-for-profit fly fishing club and members of the Western Casting Association and the American Casting Association. We are fortunate enough to have a clubhouse and casting pond facility at our disposal. We provide classes in beginning fly casting instruction, fly fishing techniques, rod building and fly tying. All classes are held on Tuesday evenings at 7:00 P.M. ALL CLASSES ARE FREE TO THE PUBLIC. Our monthly meetings are usually on the last Thursday of the month but can change according to the availabilty of the speaker. We have hosted speakers such as Lani Waller, Polly Rosborough and A.K. Best to name a few. Aside from the Monthly meetings and classes we are involved in target and distance casting with flys and plugs throughout the months May through February. We host club trips each month to destinations as close as Newport Bay and Bolsa Chica Beach, to places like the Babine River, the Green River and Yellowstone. We boast of a high number of FFF Certified Casting instructors, nationally recognized fly-tyers, past national casting champions and a solid core of knowledgable, friendly, giving anglers. Anyone interested in finding out more about The Long Beach Casting Club can contact me via E-mail. As a public service I will start posting current and upcoming events of the Long Beach Casting Club. Watch this space for "L.B.C.C. Events". Remember that ALL INSTRUCTION IS FREE. Guy Manning

Hi, pals of L.B.C.C         this is a good news, although I am in Taiwan here far away from         U.S.A and I never try fly-fishing, but I wish I can join …. csleou

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I may be late on this thread, but there is the old chesnut:         "Flyfishing isn’t a matter of life or death, its much more important than that"

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Hi, pals of L.B.C.C    this is a good news, although I am in Taiwan here far away from    U.S.A and I never try fly-fishing, but I wish I can join …. csleou

Of course, when making sarcastic comments about wasting bandwidth, you can only claim moral high ground if you make an effort to trim the article you’re quoting down, rather than forwarding a second copy of the ENTIRE article to the entire world. Also, if you don’t care about fly fishing, you really shouldn’t be posting here, as this is the FLY FISHING news group. Have a nice day. — Cray Computer Corporation    http://www.craycos.com/~ferguson/ferguson.html Colorado Springs, CO                                     Solely my opinions

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<< <Of course, when making sarcastic comments about wasting bandwidth, you tirade deleted for brevity… Calm down, I think he meant it.

Well, if he did, then I apologize. It’s so easy to read the wrong thing out of an ASCII text message, especially across international boundaries. It was a friday, and I’ve seen oh so many of these "gee, I can’t come to timbuktu for your class, because I live in outer slobovia" messages, that I instantly conclude it’s sarcastic. Maybe I was wrong. — Cray Computer Corporation    http://www.craycos.com/~ferguson/ferguson.html Colorado Springs, CO                                     Solely my opinions

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I’m doing a presentation for one of our local (well-established) fly-fishing clubs next week. My topic is fly-fishing "humour". Any of you folk got some favourite quotes?

Attributed to me: "Great fishing beats average sex" — John Lawitzke Systems Engineer TechSmith Corporation

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I’m doing a presentation for one of our local (well-established) fly-fishing clubs next week. My topic is fly-fishing "humour". Any of you folk got some favourite quotes?

Attributed to me: "Great fishing beats average sex" How ’bout this one…."Fishing is like sex, even when it’s bad it’s great"

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Tim Dudley: The cartoon book you’re referring to is by JOHN TROY! His work is great! With his permission his work will feature prominently in this thing I’m doing. Good to hear from you. And also that the chuckles are shared across the geography. Best. — David A. Calderisi

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 Any of you folk got some favourite quotes?

"The way to a man’s heart is through his fly" — Gary L. Bertrand   Dept. of Chemistry University of Missouri-Rolla

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I’m doing a presentation for one of our local (well-established) fly-fishing clubs next week. My topic is fly-fishing "humour". Any of you folk got some favourite quotes? no more wabbits." E. Fudd

I really like the quote at the beginning of "A River Runs Through It".  I don’t have the exact quote but it was something about all Gods diciples being flyfishermen and John was a dry flyfishermen. "My wife said if I went fishing one more time she’d leave me  Gawd, I’m gonna miss her" — John Fereira "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA "Ask me about my vow of silence."

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OK Ok I just thought of one this is a Jason original…..   ( In your best Forest Gump voice and the Pecos Box is a local fishing area) " Life is like the Pecos Box ya never know what you going to catch….." jason — Jason J. Amaro               | Fight Racism!!!!!!!

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I’m doing a presentation for one of our local (well-established) fly-fishing clubs next week. My topic is fly-fishing "humour". Any of you folk got some favourite quotes?…

There’s a book of flyfishing cartoons by somebody who’s name escapes me, that has a great cartoon on the cover. It shows a lifeboat with five or six guys who look as if they’ve been in the boat for about a month – clothes are in rags, long hair, dirt, whiskers (no guide jokes here, please), in various states of starvation.  The boat is practically swamped, the waves are running about 12′ in gale force winds, and there’s a guy in the front fly fishing, with another guy hanging onto the fisherman by both legs, pleading with him:  "For God’s sake, man! Switch to wets!  They’ll never rise in seas like this!!" Tim

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: I’m doing a presentation for one of our local (well-established) : fly-fishing clubs next week. My topic is fly-fishing "humour". Any of you : folk got some favourite quotes? All thoughts gratefully received. Might : even be an occasion to persuade a few more of our folk to get on the net : and chat.   Pretty much anything Tim Walker says! Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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