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Hi Adam, I guess I would try to get in the front of the boat and get the smallest other fisherman in the back in case you have to work him over. I am sure that they have this combo all the time and will work it out for you. Email me a good picture for my web site. Good luck. PS: Have tried fishing Isla Holbox for tarpon yet ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the last 12 years almost all my fishing is done with a fly rod (before that it was spinning rod).  This includes bass and pickerel (mostly on poppers) in NJ and FL, and saltwater inshore species.  For the past two years I’ve been lucky enough to get my ass down to Venezuela for peacock bass on the fly rod (have also been fishing for them in Miami canals for about 9 years).  Unbelievable fish and an unbelievable kick, as you know if you’ve fished for these awesome fish. In both instances, I either fish with other fly rodders or fished alone. As I don’t have experience fishing for peacocks out of the same boat with conventional casters, I would like some advise on how best to work things out.  In September I’ll be going to Brazil to go after the big guys (upwards to 30#).  I don’t know any of the other guys who will be going, but I do know that they will be using regular casting gear (baitcasting and spinning).  So here are my questions. I have concerns on how to work it out with whoever I fish with.  I know that all day they will be chucking big noise making stuff and will probably be able to cast well over 100′, whereas in order not to rip my arm off, I’ll be casting around 60′ (I can cast further, but not all day with the big flies and poppers I’ll be casting without dislocating my shoulder).  This can put me at a great disadvantage in that if the guide holds the boat well off the shore line or fish holding structure, I won’t be able to reach the preferred spots.  And, the truth of the matter is as nothing scares the peacocks (like boat engine/motor noise, etc), holding the boat 60′ off the shore or structure wouldn’t make a difference in the catch rate.  Of course, casting big distances into open water areas is not a problem.  How do you guys feel this can be worked out, or is the problem only in my mind? Also, what about the rate at which the boat moves?  Whether I’m in the middle or in the front of the boat, slow moving is better for me as I can’t repeat cast as fast as my partners can.  I’m thinking that they might be more used to a faster troll and have problems with this.  Your opinions, please. Thanks again, Adam

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For the last 12 years almost all my fishing is done with a fly rod (before that it was spinning rod).  This includes bass and pickerel (mostly on poppers) in NJ and FL, and saltwater inshore species.  For the past two years I’ve been lucky enough to get my ass down to Venezuela for peacock bass on the fly rod (have also been fishing for them in Miami canals for about 9 years).  Unbelievable fish and an unbelievable kick, as you know if you’ve fished for these awesome fish. In both instances, I either fish with other fly rodders or fished alone.  As I don’t have experience fishing for peacocks out of the same boat with conventional casters, I would like some advise on how best to work things out.  In September I’ll be going to Brazil to go after the big guys (upwards to 30#).  I don’t know any of the other guys who will be going, but I do know that they will be using regular casting gear (baitcasting and spinning).  So here are my questions. I have concerns on how to work it out with whoever I fish with.  I know that all day they will be chucking big noise making stuff and will probably be able to cast well over 100′, whereas in order not to rip my arm off, I’ll be casting around 60′ (I can cast further, but not all day with the big flies and poppers I’ll be casting without dislocating my shoulder).  This can put me at a great disadvantage in that if the guide holds the boat well off the shore line or fish holding structure, I won’t be able to reach the preferred spots.  And, the truth of the matter is as nothing scares the peacocks (like boat engine/motor noise, etc), holding the boat 60′ off the shore or structure wouldn’t make a difference in the catch rate.  Of course, casting big distances into open water areas is not a problem.  How do you guys feel this can be worked out, or is the problem only in my mind? Also, what about the rate at which the boat moves?  Whether I’m in the middle or in the front of the boat, slow moving is better for me as I can’t repeat cast as fast as my partners can.  I’m thinking that they might be more used to a faster troll and have problems with this.  Your opinions, please. Thanks again, Adam

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        I would think that holding in a little closer so that you can cast also shouldn’t be a problem for the other guys or the guide, if they are sporting types. Further, I don’t think that they would want to be at max range casting for peacocks. Those fish tend to live in some of the meanest cover there is if I’m not mistaken. You don’t want a mile of line out there with a fish that lives in snags. At least, I sure don’t!     As far as working things out regarding who casts when- even two baitcaster types must do this if one guy is using a 7′ rod and the other is using a 6 1/2′ footer or longer in a smaller bass boat…you’d just have to co-ordinate casts. Work it out with your boat mate, and develop a rhythm. My partners and I would "leapfrog cast" an entire shoreline during club tournaments, staying out of each other’s way in the rhythm pattern.     Further, as far as not being able to cast as frequently to the same area, how much line can you have out and still do a roll cast? You should be able to put the fly right back on the same spot that way, or walk it along an area, if the trolling motor is moving you at a fairly brisk pace, I would think. My fly rodding has been limited to the local river and farm ponds, so can’t tell you about the roll cast in a bass boat much…hmmmmm perhaps I need to do some field work on this and write an article…..    ’Hope this helps some…     B3

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The principal of my elementary school was named Lyman Edward Angel. Had a daughter that was a little older than me that was friends with my sis, but I can’t remember her name. Small world. That’s my wife’s aunt. Drew

Hit me just now. Her name is Dawn. That the one? — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. I’m in Lenoir which is pronounced:  "len-war"–like that fellas name that painted out of focus pictures, Renoir– at least  to us sofisticated folk. Actually grew-up and live in the Raleigh–name after the cigerette brand– area most my life, but don’t ever expect to move back.

Not as long as I live here, anyway.

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charles, i reside in the sunny community of foscoe… –waldo Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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charles, i reside in the sunny community of foscoe… –waldo

That’s near Morganton, right? — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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charles, i reside in the sunny community of foscoe… –waldo That’s near Morganton, right? —

actually, near boone. the store is in morganton. –walt

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actually, near boone. the store is in morganton. –walt

Gotcha. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Hit me just now. Her name is Dawn. That the one?

That’s the one. Drew

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……I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are…..

Uh oh. Wolfgang somewhere in stanley.

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greenville, with a plot of ground on england branch in graham county… jeff Noted. —

uh oh. Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

UH OH! Wolfgang

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – greenville, with a plot of ground on england branch in graham county… jeff Noted. — uh oh. Charles Davis   K4SWB <I’m The NRA UH OH! Wolfgang

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are.

I’m in Atlanta, but it’s the source of most of the folks fishing the Nantahala. <g — Charlie…

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here.

I’m in Lenoir which is pronounced:  "len-war"–like that fellas name that painted out of focus pictures, Renoir– at least  to us sofisticated folk. Actually grew-up and live in the Raleigh–name after the cigerette brand– area most my life, but don’t ever expect to move back. Mark  –aka Opie, Op, asshole, shit-maggot–

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The principal of my elementary school was named Lyman Edward Angel. Had a daughter that was a little older than me that was friends with my sis, but I can’t remember her name.

Small world. That’s my wife’s aunt. Drew

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. I’m in Lenoir which is pronounced:  "len-war"–like that fellas name that painted out of focus pictures, Renoir– at least  to us sofisticated folk.

I’ve never heard it pronounced that way, but then I know few sofisticates. Actually grew-up and live in the Raleigh–name after the cigerette brand– area most my life, but don’t ever expect to move back.

I went there once, and that was enough. Mark  –aka Opie, Op, asshole, shit-maggot–

Sounds like we might be kin. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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greenville, with a plot of ground on england branch in graham county… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks.

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro.

        sweet baby jesus–rockingham county.  where do you keep your trailer? I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks.

        now charles, this here ain’t one of them 1984 big brother deals, is it?         just kiddin, of course.  some of my best friends live in rockingham county. wayno 1519 whilden place greensboro  27408

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says… I’m in Charlotte. Grew up in Asheville with time spent in Watauga County. You familiar with any Angels or Trents up that way? Matter of fact I’ll be up there on the 9th for a wedding. Drew Patterson

The principal of my elementary school was named Lyman Edward Angel. Had a daughter that was a little older than me that was friends with my sis, but I can’t remember her name. Betty Sue Trent ran the record store, and I went to school with some Trents, but that was loooooong ago, and in another galaxy, it seems. Got some neighbors named Patterson. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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greenville, with a plot of ground on england branch in graham county… jeff

Noted. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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says…    sweet baby jesus–rockingham county.  where do you keep your trailer?

I should be so lucky. Still living in the truck, ‘cept when Shirley needs it to get to work at the beauty saloon.    now charles, this here ain’t one of them 1984 big brother deals, is it?

Nah. Just curious. What started me thinking was that it seems that whenever you all have a clave, they make the NC boys get off by themselves.    just kiddin, of course.  some of my best friends live in rockingham county.

I stayed in G’boro for a while, till she tossed me out. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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On the assumption that displaced Tarheels count, I’m just outside St Louis. Born in Murphy (Cherokee county) and grew up in Henderson county. I figger Missouri appreciates the cultural benefit provided by North Carolinians so much that they just won’t let me go. Still go to Murphy several times a year and have to go to Charlotte occasionally. I do have an annual NC non-resident fishing license. Bob Patton

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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says… On the assumption that displaced Tarheels count, I’m just outside St Louis. Born in Murphy (Cherokee county) and grew up in Henderson county. I figger Missouri appreciates the cultural benefit provided by North Carolinians so much that they just won’t let me go. Still go to Murphy several times a year and have to go to Charlotte occasionally. I do have an annual NC non-resident fishing license. Bob Patton

Everyone counts. I’ve just started a list so I can put people and places together. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are.

Rah-leigh.

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. Rah-leigh.

Thankee. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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I’m in Charlotte. Grew up in Asheville with time spent in Watauga County. You familiar with any Angels or Trents up that way? Matter of fact I’ll be up there on the 9th for a wedding. Drew Patterson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Seems like there are a lot of NC boys here. If you feel like it, tell me where in NC you are. I’m in Reidsville. Just north of Greensboro. I’m gonna make me a list of who is here, and where each of you are, and thought I’d start out close to home. Thanks. — Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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if there’s one extra person we could have there, bar none, it’d be you.  and if it helps, we’re all jealous of you 100% of the time.  let me quote (loosely) the great jimmy buffett: you got your pickup washed and you just got paid, with any luck at all you might even get laid, rockin and a rollin on a livingston saturday night. there’s that, the yellowstone, madison, gallatin, bighorn, and bridger bowl and big sky also. bruce h

        i’ll be damned if i don’t think i see some tar heel in you goddam cowboys!  good thinkin, and good talkin, bruce! your friend in the old north state wayno

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<snipped I’ll get tying some up for us. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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It is working again.

thanks warren, i thought i’d done something miraculous when the treads started coming up readable again. Wish I was able to make it.  I am getting really jealous right now.

if there’s one extra person we could have there, bar none, it’d be you.  and if it helps, we’re all jealous of you 100% of the time.  let me quote (loosely) the great jimmy buffett: you got your pickup washed and you just got paid, with any luck at all you might even get laid, rockin and a rollin on a livingston saturday night. there’s that, the yellowstone, madison, gallatin, bighorn, and bridger bowl and big sky also. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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Let me know what size the grey ones are, and I’ll tie some up.

i’m not sure but i think they’re slightly larger.  use a tiemco 2488 size 24 and grey thread.  black thread for the rib and a crystal flash emerger wing.  black thread head. i bet we just see continued hatches of those tiny black midges, but who knows. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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I didn’t get your original post on my news server, I had to go to Deja to read it.

   I can’t get anything on the web today, just e-mail and newsgroups. Do you think Al Gore got so mad he turned off the internet?

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yes, absolutely.  100% tiny black midges as far as i could tell.  with that black midge, the hatch goes quickly and the fish don’t take emergers for very long.

I have some black midges that I tied for the Green earlier this year. I’ll remember to bring them for this trip. the other midge i see a lot is grey with a black rib.  when those bugs hatch it seems like the hatch lasts longer and that the fish really get going on emergers.  just a theory though.

Almost sounds like a Grey RS2.  What size? and i’m told there are many other common midge hatches up there, it just seems like i either see black ones or grey ones with the black rib.

Let me know what size the grey ones are, and I’ll tie some up. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Are they the tiny little black midges?

yes, absolutely.  100% tiny black midges as far as i could tell.  with that black midge, the hatch goes quickly and the fish don’t take emergers for very long. the other midge i see a lot is grey with a black rib.  when those bugs hatch it seems like the hatch lasts longer and that the fish really get going on emergers.  just a theory though. and i’m told there are many other common midge hatches up there, it just seems like i either see black ones or grey ones with the black rib. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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Bruce, Thanks for the report. I didn’t get your original post on my news server, I had to go to Deja to read it. I’m hoping this spell of good weather we’re having lasts for the Juan get together. Willi

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Willi, I did not get the original post either.   Bruce, Awesome report. Thanks for the selfless act of doing some recon for our benefit. I am sure the other fellow clavers thank you as well. You said people were using dry flies.  Are they the tiny little black midges? bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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<excellent scouting report snipped 1.  I can’t get email right now, and i’m actually having trouble with deja.com – when i get into the newsgroup the posts aren’t grouped into threads and the latest posts are from 11/21.  If anyone can help me here, i’d appreciate it.  In the meantime, if you need to reach me, call me at work 800-776-5973.  (bruce hopper’s my full name).

It is working again.  They were doing some maintenence on Deja and that was why it pulled up the weird format for the newsgroups.  When it puts a ‘*’ in the search section it means they are doing some work on the system. always wears breathables, but i switched to neoprenes at lunch and i was much more comfy after that, except when i stepped in a little deep and felt that awful feeling of water inside the waders.

There is a product called Simmseal (sp?) that works wonders for leaky neoprenes.  It is a liquid neoprene and you just pour a drop on the leak, spread it around a little and let it set.  Very easy fix once you find the leak. Wish I was able to make it.  I am getting really jealous right now. — Warren Before you buy.

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I made it up to the SJ saturday to try to figure out where the fish are before everyone shows up.  Here’s a list of mostly unrelated observations: 1.  I can’t get email right now, and i’m actually having trouble with deja.com – when i get into the newsgroup the posts aren’t grouped into threads and the latest posts are from 11/21.  If anyone can help me here, i’d appreciate it.  In the meantime, if you need to reach me, call me at work 800-776-5973.  (bruce hopper’s my full name). 2.  It’s certainly tougher to see into the water with the sun so low, but when the fish are making rise forms, either taking emergers or dries, they’re easy to see.  I used several tricks to spot fish holding deeper, because sight fishing with nymphs is one of the most productive methods for me up there.  I stood on the bank, varied my angle, squinted, etc.  Early in the day, you can see into the water well from the north side of the river.  The rest of the day it help to face north and get the sun at your back. 3.  There was maybe 2.5 hrs during the day where the fish were taking dries.  I saw lots of fish on dries out in the current about 200 yards below texas hole – also a good place to get some water to yourself.  I caught fish by just putting emergers on the surface.  When i actually picked out a single fish and used a few different dry fly/tippet combos, all i got was refusals.  Tough customers. 4.  Knowing where the fish are is so important now, so i scouted the area right below the dam where the fish are known to be plentiful, large, and very selective.  They mostly take the tiny midge patterns close to the dam, although lots of folks fish leeches, worms, and eggs up there also.  I picked up only two fish there after lots of work. Both on size 24 red larva.  All day i landed 10 fish and that counts two smaller ones. 5.  Overall it was a bit of a frustrating day.  Ten fish isn’t bad, but i caught about 4 in the last half hour, nymphing deep in the main channel, blind casting where i knew there were fish.  It was cold all day and i dropped 4 or 5 flies before tying them on.  When you drop a size 24 ufo, don’t bother looking for it.  I’m one of those guys who always wears breathables, but i switched to neoprenes at lunch and i was much more comfy after that, except when i stepped in a little deep and felt that awful feeling of water inside the waders. 6.  I fish there a lot and i’ve got all the patterns and equipment, etc, but getting advice from me is a lot different than fishing with a guide.  For some reason they’ve just got it dialed in, and I think it’s mostly knowing where the fish are holding at that particular time. I’ve only fished with a guide four times up there, and each time i’ve caught far more fish than i would’ve on my own.  If anyone wants a guide for a day, i’d recommend Chris Guikema http://www.sanjuanworm.com – he is friendly and an excellent guide.  Craig at Float n Fish said he’d guide for this group (he knows we’re coming) and fishing with him would be a treat also.  Float n Fish has no website, but they can be reached at 505-632-5385 – Craig or Ray will usually answer the phone. 7.  The water was still clear, lake turnover hasn’t started yet.  Every day that goes by clear increases our chances of encountering cloudy water 8.  Something i’ve noticed lately:  Lots of guys enter the river carrying two rods, one set up for dries, one for nymphs.  At first i thought "give me a break" but when i think about it it makes some sense.  Lots of times i see fish surfacing so i quickly pull the yarn out of my leader and pop the indicator knot out and switch to emergers or a dry and by the time i’ve made the change, maybe three minutes, the fish aren’t rising any more.  So, i switch back to a deep rig and re rig and indicator (5 min) only to find the fish surfacing again. Either i’m real dumb (very likely) or these "two rod" guys have a good idea. I’m really looking forward to seeing/meeting everyone. bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen Before you buy.

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

+ I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

    hmmm, well i never really thought of the terms as gender specific.  but you’re right, i can’t think of any either. mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

    um.   this one does mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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in the uk there’s quite a common gesture that people do (often leaning out of a car window) as an alternative to giving the finger. you form a circle with your thumb and index finger and then shake it up and down, usually while shouting, "WAAANKAAHHH!!!". i wonder, if it’s a woman in a car who cuts you up, whether you should just shake your hand in a rubbing motion instead? pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

"Giving it laldy" is one I know…. Brian. /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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oh. oops. I must have missed the memo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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yeah that was my reaction when I first heard it… *winks* LOL Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lol !!! judith Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… p/e Synonyms for Masturbation For women: Applying lip gloss Basting the tuna Brushing the beaver Burying the knuckle Butterin’ the muffin Checking my oil Checking the foxhole Checking the status of the I/O port Circling the knoll Cleaning my fur coat Cleaning your fingers Creamin’ the pie Digging for my keys Digitating Doing my nails Doing something for my chapped lips Doing the Two Finger Slot Rumba Drinking from the fountain of youth (for us contortionists) Drooling Dusting the endtable Entering the ring of fire Fare un ditolino (Italian: to do a little finger) Finger blasting Finger fuck Finger pie Flicking the bean Flossing the cat Frigging Getting a stain out of my carpet Going Mining Gusset typing Hula-hooping Itching the ditch JocelynEldering Killing off Licking my lips (for us contortionists) Looking for Waldo & his dog (gee, spot, there you are!) Makin’ waves for the man-in-the-boat Making soup Nulling the void Paddling the pink canoe Parting the red sea Petting Snoopy Playing solitare Playing The Silent Trombone Playing the beaver Pokin’ the pucker Polishing the wedding ring Preheating the oven Producing whore moans (hormones, get it? ;^) Pussy poking Riding the waterslide Rolling the dough Rubbin’ the nubbin Scratching the patch Secret vice Shooting hoops Shooting the rapids Slapping the Mackerel Snatching Soaking in Palmolive Spelunking Stiffening my upper lip Stirring it up Stoking the furnace Strumming the banjo Surfin’ the channel Taking a dip The two fingered tango Tickling the taco Toggling the bit Unclogging the drain Visiting Niagra Falls Visiting your safety deposit box Whipping your nest Working in the garden for Men: A big date with Rosy Palms Adjusting your set Applying the hand brake Attacking the one-eyed purple-headed warrior Auditioning the finger puppets Auditioning your hand puppet Backstroke roulette Bashing the Bishop Bashing the candle Beating off Beating the balogna Beating the bed flute Beating the Bishop Beating the dummy Beating the old man Beating the pud Beating the stick Beating your meat Beef-stroke-it-off Being a virtuoso of the skin flute Being your own best friend Biffing off Bleed the weed Blowing the load Blowing your own horn Bludgeoning the beefsteak Bobbing your boloney Bopping Richard Bopping the bishop Bopping the bolgney Bopping the Bonzo Boxing the bald champ Boxing the clown Boxing the jesuit and getting cockroaches Boxing with Richard Buffin’ the bishop Buffing the banana Buffing the rifle Buggering your hand Burping the baby Burping the worm Buttering the corn Caning the vandal Capturing the bishop Charming the snake Checking for testicular cancer Cheesing off Choking Kojak Choking the bald guy until he pukes Choking the chicken Choking the sheriff and waiting for the posse to come Churning your butter Clamping the pipe Cleaning your rifle Clearing the snorkel Climbin the tree Climbing Mount Baldy Clobbering the Kleenex Closet Frisbee Clubbing the clam Coating Prince William Sound with love oil Coming into your own Coming to grips with yourself Cooking the cream of cock Corralling the tadpoles Couch hockey for one Cranking the love pump Cranking the monkey Cranking the shank Crimping the wire Crowning the king Cuddlin’ the Kielbasa Cuffing the carrot Dancing with Johnnie One-Eye Dating Miss Michigan (think geography) Dating Rosie Palm and her five sisters Decongesting the weasel Defrosting the fridge Diddling Digging for change Digitally oscillating one’s penis Doin’ The Solitary Rhumba Doing a hand job Doing battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love Doing handiwork Doing It Your Way Doing the five-knuckle shuffle Doing the human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT Doing the janitor thing Doing the knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Doing the pork sword jiggle Doing the White Knuckler Doing your own thing Downing at the club (for members only) Draining the monster Draining the poisons from the building Driving the skin bus Dry humping the ottoman Dundering the devil-dolphin Electing the president Engaging in safe sex Escorting the one-eyed postal worker out of its denim cell Faxing Jimmy Dean Faxing the Pope Feeding the ducks Firing the flesh musket Firing the Surgeon General Fishing for zipper trout Fist fucking Fisting your mister Five-finger solo Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump Five on one Flick on over the thumb Flapping Takkie (South African) Flaying the Emperor Flicking the bic Flipping the Bishop Flogging the bishop Flogging the dog Flogging the dolphin Flogging the dong Flogging the frog Flogging the hog Flogging the log Flogging the mule Flogging the salami Flogging your dumber brother Flute solo Fly fishing Fondling the fig Freeing Willy Friggit Frosting the pastries Galloping the antelope Galloping the old lizard Genitalic stimulation via phallengetic motion Getting a date with Slick Mittens Getting a grip on things Getting a stiffy Getting chafed Getting off Getting the German soldier marching Getting the glue stick Getting to know yourself Getting your palm read by Mister Softee Getting your palm red Getting your pole varnished Giving it a tug Giving yourself a low five Glazing the donut Gluing the lady’s eye’s shut Going a couple of rounds with ol’ josh Going blind Going on a date with Handrea and Palmela Going on a date with Rosey Palm and the five daughters Going on Peewee’s little adventure Going the blow Grappling the gorilla Greasing the pipe Gripping the pencil Hacking the hog Han Solo Hand job Hand Shandy Handy work Hanging the old man Hard labor Having a ball Having a conversation with the one-eyed trouser snake Having a date with Fisty Palmer Having a date with Rosie Palm and her five sisters Having a ham shank Having a J. Arthur (British special, after J. Arthur Rank, it’s rhyming slang) Having a one-night-stand with yourself Having a Sherman (British) Having a tug Having a tug-of-war with the cyclops Having an arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel Having dinner Having it off Having sex with someone you love Hitchhiking to heaven Hitchhiking underneath the big top Holding my own Holding the sausage hostage Honing the cone Hugging the hog Humping the hose Ironing some wrinkles Jack hammering Jacking off Jazzing yourself Jerkin’ the gherkin Jerking Jamby Jerking off Jerking the turkey Jerking yanking daisy-chaining Jizzlobbing Juggling the coullions Just jerkin’ it Kicking seamen Kicking your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents" Killing it Kneading my knockwurst. Knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Knuckling the bone La veuve poignet (French) Launching the hand shuttle Looking for ticks Loping the mule Loves labors lost Loving the muppet Lubing the Tube Making a foreskin cone Making friends with Big Ed Making instant pudding Making the bald man puke Making the scene with the magazine Making vanilla jism shakes Making yourself at home Mangling the midget Manipulating the mango Manning the cockpit Manual labor Manual override Master bacon Meeting Mary Palm and her five sisters Meeting Rosie Hancock Meeting with Mother Thumb and her four daughters Milking one’s self Milking the bull Milking the cow Milking the lizard Milking the moose Milking the weasel Minding my own business Molesting the mole Mounting a corporal and four Much goo about nothing My sex life! Nerking your throbber Oiling the glove Onan’s Olympics Onanism One gun salute One man show One off the wrist Packing your palm Paddling the pickle Painting the ceiling Painting the pickle Painting the walls Palming the calm Peelin’ some chiles Peeling the banana Peeling the carrot Performing a self-test Performing diagnostics on your ManTool Perling the oyster Petting the lizard Phoning the czar Pipping the pumpkin Playing a little five-on-one Playing a one-stringed guitar Playing in a one-man show Playing Peek-A-Boo With Mr. Johnson Playing peekaboo Playing pocket pinball Playing pocket pool Playing tag with the pink torpedo Playing the flesh flute Playing the one-stringed melody Playing the skin flute Playing tug-o-war with the cyclops Playing Uno Playing with the spitting llama Playing with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys?) Pleasing your pisser Plunking your twanger Pocket pinball Pocket pool Pole vaulting Polishing Percy in your palm Polishing the beak Polishing the family jewels Polishing the helmet Polishing the rocket Polishing the sword Popping a nut Popping the cork Pounding off Pounding the bald-headed moose Pounding the pud Pounding your flounder Preparing the carrot Priming the pump Pud wrestling Pulling off Pulling rank Pulling the bologna pony Pulling the carrot Pulling the Colonel Sanders Heimleich Manuever

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

I heard "jilling off", but that can’t be right, right?  Because women don’t do that…  ;-) Before you buy.

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I prefer the term "self-love!" Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… That has never occured to me.  I can’t think of a single slang term for it.  Strange. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.  Western world women aren’t supposed to enjoy themselves. Okay, let’s invent some. 1: Massaging the muffin. 2: Tickling the taco. 3: Petting the beaver. Come to think of it, the problem may be the lack of "nice" slang words for the female anatomy.

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Gosh I hope you’re kidding!!!  Research shows that women who masturbate are much more sexually satisfied when they have sex with a partner.  They are more orgasmic and speak up for their wants and needs more. Jane, who’s very sexually satisfied….hehehe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

A couple more I’ve heard are: Jilling off Gettin’ a BUZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (equipment dependent) Parting the Red Sea

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the only thing i can think of even tho its not slang for it is mind numbingly beutifull – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Come ON people, SEARCH ENGINES!!!!  Here ya go, the first thing that came up when I asked Google for "euphemisms for female masturbation".  Enjoy! http://www2.hawaii.edu/~namara/jokes/master2.htm Johanna

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Geeeeez….  Now look what you ladies did to me.  I’ve got these images in my head now… Note to self: pick up baby oil on the way home.

    spit is cheaper mouse

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse

A real hotbed of activity… How does anyone ever get anything done in the world.

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Hi Eye… I also recall hearing of a study that found women to be far more likely than men to masturbate while driving.  Actually it makes sense because it is much easier for women to do so (no need to pull anything out).

Searching for alt.binaries.female-masturbation.car send photo’s if you have them!

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I’ll have to comment on this after emergency surgery… my gut is How about ‘diddling’? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Cindy Lou, Somewhere down the road, I heard someone say that since guys Jack- off, then women must Jill-off….. Made sense, logically….but when it comes to sex, logic rarely applies…..:D Frank

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Yeah, you guys better watch out or all my bottom dwelling junkyard dogs will…will…will….well just watch out or you’ll be sorry! {:-)

I think I already am sorry (or so I’ve been told)<g. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again. No shit? — Charlie…         careful, duc!  you may be set upon by the hundreds (or thousands, even) of angry lurkers who get upset when george is trifled with.  think of your family, man! wayno

____  Someday, this year, when you make a mental error, you just might talk about fly fishing for once.  Show up at the Jackson Hole airport and I’ll pick you and Anthony up personally.  I would like to take you both on some very special float trips.  I would even give you my private phone number if you change your mind.  Summers with a son come and go.  The time is NOW for that special trip with the lad.  Do what you can.  Give it some serious, serious, serious thought. : ) — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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George, I believe that you missed the point of Jeff’s post.  I don’t believe that he was disputing the fact that you caught a Whitefish of that size under those circumstances.  At least in my mind, he was referring to your feeling the need to post about the incident in light of "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it.". BTW I have caught several Whitefish in that size range in the Clearwater while fishing for steelhead, but always have considered the pursuit of fishing records somewhat silly. Bob Weinberger

______  I understand what you’re saying but what many don’t know is, Charlie Brooks was retired military.  The term, "no sweat" was common with him. Fishing for records for you, I imagine is silly and serves no purpose.  In the early years, records helped our company and products.  They still do.  I don’t pursue them actively anymore or specifically, but should one come my way, I would honor the fish, and after the measurements, I  now release them.  You can do that now.  One doesn’t need to kill a fish to make it a world record. That aside, thanks for the thoughts Bob.  I’m going to have to check the record books for the present and see what the Whitefish "high water mark" is now, for the record. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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George, did you even stop to read what I quoted?  Read it again, and then again, until you finally figure it out. "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff _____  No, I’m not right, you’re wrong.  What you don’t know is infinitely greater than what you know.  Call up Sam Melner, Eugene, OR area.  He’ll confirm how wrong you are.

Regards, Jeff

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"No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it."

Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff

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"No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff

_____  No, I’m not right, you’re wrong.  What you don’t know is infinitely greater than what you know.  Call up Sam Melner, Eugene, OR area.  He’ll confirm how wrong you are. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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Once again its "great minds discuss ideals, mediocre minds discuss events and small minds discuss people"  and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff

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Once again its "great minds discuss ideals, mediocre minds discuss events and small minds discuss people"  and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again.

Thanks again, anyhow J.C.. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff

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and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again.

No shit? — Charlie…

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and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again. No shit? — Charlie…

Interesting… R

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and the intelectual level or ROFF rises again. No shit? — Charlie…

        careful, duc!  you may be set upon by the hundreds (or thousands, even) of angry lurkers who get upset when george is trifled with.  think of your family, man! wayno

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who get upset when george is trifled

George who? — Charlie…

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who get upset when george is trifled George who? — Charlie…

Adams? <g Warren X#-[

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George, I believe that you missed the point of Jeff’s post.  I don’t believe that he was disputing the fact that you caught a Whitefish of that size under those circumstances.  At least in my mind, he was referring to your feeling the need to post about the incident in light of "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it.". BTW I have caught several Whitefish in that size range in the Clearwater while fishing for steelhead, but always have considered the pursuit of fishing records somewhat silly. Bob Weinberger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." Uh, yeah, right. Regards, Jeff _____  No, I’m not right, you’re wrong.  What you don’t know is infinitely greater than what you know.  Call up Sam Melner, Eugene, OR area.  He’ll confirm how wrong you are. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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who get upset when george is trifled George who? — Charlie… Adams? <g

Yeah, you guys better watch out or all my bottom dwelling junkyard dogs will…will…will….well just watch out or you’ll be sorry! {:-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Whitefish as table fare is much better than trout.  The late/great Charlie Brooks always went after whitefish for dinner.  Hated eating trout.  Which some of know is a much better choice. Thing is, in the Madison are some of the largest whitefish known and in the surrounding area.  I caught and released (to my error) a whitefish that exceeded five pounds while Charlie Brooks sat on the bank sipping a cold bottle of beer.  In fact, that is all he carried in his wicker basket on his hip.  It was always loaded with beer. "Biggest damned whitefish I’ve ever seen George!" he yells.  As I quickly weigh it and release it.  "How much it weigh?" he adds after another swig. "Five pounds two ounces," I shout back as I stagger to shore for a cold one. I walk up to Charlie who is enjoying a small fire I built, he and two more friends, one whom I now forget the name of but the other is Sam Melner of "Fly Fisherman’s Bookcase," Croton on the Hudson. "I think you just released a world record George," he adds matter of factly. "How would you know that?" I counter as I decap a brown, super-cold bottle of beer from the river. "I’ve been fishing those things my whole life and its the only damned fish worth a hoot for eating.  That, was a big fish, I’m telling you." "Well, it so happens I have a diary here with all the fly fishing records it it," as I start thumbing through it.  Under "Whitefish" I see that five pounds is indeed MORE than enough to establish a new world record. I turn the little manual around and hand it to Charlie.  "Dang!" I laugh, "If you’re not right!" "No sweat George, only you and I need to know you did it." as he offers a toast to bump.  We click bottles and Charlie finishes the beer.  He returns the empty and pulls out another cold one.  "It’s the memories man!  It’s the memories!" We all sit back and laugh our hearts out.   "Good show," adds Sam. True story. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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Does anyone know if a larger reel foot is available for a Ross Gunnison G3 reel? The slip ring on my fly rod’s reel seat has streched enough that it slides all the way over my reel foot, and the nut on the reel seat cannot tighten the reel down.  The reel seat is a Struble U3 reel seat, with a removeable fighting butt attachment on it, so I don’t think I can take the reel seat apart and put a new ring on the reel seat.  If a larger foot can be put on the reel (there are four screws holding the current foot on) I think the slip ring should work ok.  I fixed the problem by putting three layers of duct tape on the reel seat, to minimize the spacing inside the ring with the reel foot in place.  This is not the solution I want to live with.  A new reel is not a solution I want to consider either, since I still have my old Pflueger Medalist that fits fine. Thanks, Mark Johnson A Sorry if this question has something to do with fly fishing.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know if a larger reel foot is available for a Ross Gunnison G3 reel? The slip ring on my fly rod’s reel seat has streched enough that it slides all the way over my reel foot, and the nut on the reel seat cannot tighten the reel down.  The reel seat is a Struble U3 reel seat, with a removeable fighting butt attachment on it, so I don’t think I can take the reel seat apart and put a new ring on the reel seat.  If a larger foot can be put on the reel (there are four screws holding the current foot on) I think the slip ring should work ok.  I fixed the problem by putting three layers of duct tape on the reel seat, to minimize the spacing inside the ring with the reel foot in place.  This is not the solution I want to live with.  A new reel is not a solution I want to consider either, since I still have my old Pflueger Medalist that fits fine. Thanks, Mark Johnson A Sorry if this question has something to do with fly fishing.

Apology accepted.  Just don’t do it again, OK? I used to have a Gunnison 3 with the same problem.  Apart from tape, the only thing I can suggest, is try to find a reel that has the same screw pattern and then order just the foot from that manufacturer.  If I remember correctly, the G3 has a screwed-on reel seat.  (If it’s riveted, you’re screwed.)   Most other reel manufacturers make thicker feet.  Don’t drop your G3 on anything hard either, the foot is awful thin.  I had to work on mine to remove a ding before it would fit on the rod again.  Also, don’t overheat the drag (i.e. no Chinook or salt fishing.)  You’ll wear (melt?) the point off the plastic pawl. Peter

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D433-Mark_E_Johnson(Mark)x3037 schrieb in Nachricht … Does anyone know if a larger reel foot is available for a Ross Gunnison G3 reel?

Hi Mark, I had this problem on a rod which I did not want to take apart either.  I built a new reel foot.  Any good fitter or mechanical workshop should be able to do this for you at minimal cost. It mainly depends on how the reel foot is attached to the reel. Mine was held by four small screws, so the modification was easy. I  got a secondary advantage out of the mod too, by making the reel foot come off at an angle from the reel, I moved the reel up the rod about one and a half centimeters effectively. This makes for better casting and holding, less fatigue, and my fingers or hand no longer touch the metal of the reel seat. This makes it much more comfortable. Hope this helps ! Tight lines  ( and reel seats ! ) Mike Connor

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Probably — I had the same problem with the G4 and a Scott rod.  I asked the dealer involved if he could help, and a week later, Ross sent a larger reel foot that works great.  I believe that Ross sent the dealer a kit with a bunch of feet for various reels in their line. Rob

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My vet says dogs are just as susceptible to sun burn and sun or heat stroke and dehydration as humans and this has discouraged me from persuading my dog to come paddling. Her attitude to water is like your Sheltie’s so it’s been easy. But I’ve often wondered how paddlers, trippers and fishers especially, who may be out on the water in the blazing sun for hours under their Tilley hats, protect their dogs from that blazing sun. I think I’d be almost as worried about this as the PFD and recovery after capsize things. Any opinions, experience here? Lyle Fairfield – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a tandem opened kayak that i usually paddle solo.  Do lots of touring and lake fishing.  My new partner is a redhead, fairly short hair, and her name is Maggie.  She loves to go fishing, and i have a hard time keeping her in the boat.  She is about 12 years old in people years, and is a border collie/Chow mix.  My other pooch, a sheltie, hates and is deathly afraid of water; i only took her out once.  Just when i was trying to justify a smaller boat, a Necky Santa Cruz, this happens.  Now i gotta go buy a Doggie PFD, and maybe a Doggie backpack. Sheese, i wonder what it’ll be like trying to get a water-laiden dog back in the boat….  I best try this out in the shallows.

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My vet says dogs are just as susceptible to sun burn and sun or heat stroke and dehydration as humans and this has discouraged me from persuading my dog to come paddling. Her attitude to water is like your Sheltie’s so it’s been easy. But I’ve often wondered how paddlers, trippers and fishers especially, who may be out on the water in the blazing sun for hours under their Tilley hats, protect their dogs from that blazing sun. I think I’d be almost as worried about this as the PFD and recovery after capsize things. Any opinions, experience here?

She just had her first vet check-up today.  She is A-Okay, and more like 18 years old, in people terms.  I asked him about bringing her out in the kayak for several hours on end.  He said he knows some people who bring their dogs out boating.  He stated i needed to be prepared to supply her with more drinking water than myself, and with a coat like hers, sunburn isn’t a problem.  I was overjoyed.  He also reccommended trying out a harness for her while in the boat, since it’ll be easier to get her back in the boat if she jumps ship.  She’s about 45 pounds.

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I have a tandem opened kayak that i usually paddle solo.  Do lots of touring and lake fishing.  My new partner is a redhead, fairly short hair, and her name is Maggie.  She loves to go fishing, and i have a hard time

This time out she didn’t fair so well, unfortunately.  I’ve had a couple folks email me and ask me questions, and give good advice.  So for anyone who’s considering this for the first time, read on.  Since i wanted her in the front of the boat and me in the rear, i  had her on a leash that was attached to the boat.  I made sure the leash was long enough so if she went swimming, i could grab her Doggie PFD’s handle.  Well, that’s where i screwed up.  It ends up her four-foot long leash isn’t nearly long enough so when she went swimming, i couldn’t reach her from the back of the boat.  It was pathetic and she was upset.  After a minute or so i did manage to get her back in. On the good side, she did enjoy the ducks and watching the Osprey go fishing; addtionnally, each fly or ’skeeter perked her right up as well!  She’d climb on the bow looking just like a hood ornament, or one of them bow ornament-things on large ships. That was until she freaked and just had to get outta the boat.  Though i don’t think she’s spoiled on the idea just yet.  Next time we’ll either have no leash, or a much longer one, and it’ll be attached to her PFD and not otherwise.  That handle on her PFD is truely a great idea too.

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I have a tandem opened kayak that i usually paddle solo.  Do lots of touring and lake fishing.  My new partner is a redhead, fairly short hair, and her name is Maggie.  She loves to go fishing, and i have a hard time keeping her in the boat.  She is about 12 years old in people years, and is a border collie/Chow mix.  My other pooch, a sheltie, hates and is deathly afraid of water; i only took her out once.  Just when i was trying to justify a smaller boat, a Necky Santa Cruz, this happens.  Now i gotta go buy a Doggie PFD, and maybe a Doggie backpack. Sheese, i wonder what it’ll be like trying to get a water-laiden dog back in the boat….  I best try this out in the shallows.

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Does anyone know an e-mail address for Gary or Jason Borger? I would like to ask one of them a question about fly lines.

Don’t know an e-mail address, but if you look on the back of one of his videos you will find a phone number for his company.  I called them one time regarding availability of one of their titles and Gary answered the phone.  Worth a shot.  You can probably also reach him (although in a round about way) through Thomas & Thomas rods.                                                Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Borger don’t post… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Borger don’t post… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

Who can blame him! Ralph H

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Jasons E-mail is listed at www.Flyfishamerica.com

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Borger don’t post… — TimW Halfordian Golfer Who can blame him!

all of us that do…for starters… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Does anyone know an e-mail address for Gary or Jason Borger? I would like to ask one of them a question about fly lines. Thanks! Steve Rosenblum

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  Does anyone know an e-mail address for Gary or Jason Borger? I would   like to ask one of them a question about fly lines.   Thanks!   Steve Rosenblum  Both can be reached through Flyfishers Online at www.flyfishers.com PFY

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i did not know so many people liked bone fishing!!

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i did not know so many people liked bone fishing!!

Actually, I think it is only the ones that have tried it. It is very exciting. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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    HELP!     New to this intriguing sport and would like info on hot spots     and tips for the Northern section of Illinois.                     Main interest is panfish but any info appreicated!             Thanks for your help,                     Kalvin

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Can you be a little more specific (Northern is pretty darn big). Any of the local ponds or forest preserves can provide panfishing. Really I mean any as the Bluegill isn’t the IL state fish for nuttin’! email me with approximate location and I will try to help. Do also check out http://www.flyflield.com They are located in the western burbs of Chicago and the store and web site are hot spots for all interested parties. Todd

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Oops!! I left out the "/" Here is the correct address for Fly & Field: http://www.flyfield.com/ Sorry, Todd

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    Thanks for the feedback!     What I’m looking for is hot spots between Kankakee River and Rockford. Panfish is plentiful near me but I’m having a hard time catching them on my fly rod.I need to know what type of line or weight of line and tippet to use and where to use them. I have many forest perserve ponds near my home but have been unsuccessful in catching anything.  I have read many books and have gone to many shows but no real info on panfish…everyone is interested in trout. Any help would be great…Thanks                       Kalvin.

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    Thanks for the feedback!     What I’m looking for is hot spots between Kankakee River and Rockford. Panfish is plentiful near me but I’m having a hard time catching them on my fly rod.I need to know what type of line or weight of line and tippet to use and where to use them. I have many forest perserve ponds near my home but have been unsuccessful in catching anything.  I have read many books and have gone to many shows but no real info on panfish…everyone is interested in trout. Any help would be great…Thanks                     Kalvin.

I love to fish for panfish in ponds.   I employ several tactics, both surface and subsurface, depending on conditions… Here are a few real simple ones… 1) long tippet – small nymph try a nice hunk of 5x (4 feet or so) and cast it to fish water.  Wait varying amounts of time before utilizing a hand-twist retrieve.   A lot of times the thing gets nailed while it is sinking…try a copper ribbed cates turkey nymph size 16-18. 2) Da Wooley Tie some #10 wooley buggers and use art foam for the body and rubber legs. Weight the body.  Cast to fishy water and retrieve in short jerks allowing line to just pile up at your feet. Hope this helps somehow… your pal, TimW

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Can you be a little more specific (Northern is pretty darn big). Any of the local ponds or forest preserves can provide panfishing. Really I

Check out latest issue of American Angler Magazene for an article on Kankakee river, 30 mi south of Chicago. Chuck Welby

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Looking for places to fish/boat in the chicagoland area? check out http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/, there are many depth maps posted for local lakes as well as a link to the illinois fishing page (which has weekly reports of what’s biting where) have fun

: :     Thanks for the feedback! : :     What I’m looking for is hot spots between Kankakee River and : Rockford. Panfish is plentiful near me but I’m having a hard time : catching them on my fly rod.I need to know what type of line or weight : of line and tippet to use and where to use them. I have many forest : perserve ponds near my home but have been unsuccessful in catching : anything.  I have read many books and have gone to many shows but no : real info on panfish…everyone is interested in trout. Any help would : be great…Thanks : :                     Kalvin. <snip — John Nelson Home Page:  http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/

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: Can you be a little more specific (Northern is pretty darn big). Any of : the local ponds or forest preserves can provide panfishing. Really I : Check out latest issue of American Angler Magazene for an article on : Kankakee river, 30 mi south of Chicago. : Chuck Welby Looking for places to fish/boat in the chicagoland area? check out http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/, there are many depth maps posted for local lakes as well as a link to the illinois fishing page (which has weekly reports of what’s biting where) have fun — John Nelson Home Page:  http://www.ripco.com/~jwn/

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