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I love fly fishing, Also love to fish for fluke i am wondering if anyone might have a few tips on fly patterns and the best way that has a chance in hooking up into a few fluke. I mostly fish from a boat of the Ct. shore. Thanks, Nat

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I read an article once about some guy in the northwest flyfishing for halibut.  He used a heavy rod and sinking line.  The fly was a streamer pattern.  For the life of me I can’t remember which mag but it was either Fly Rod and Reel, Flyfisherman, or American Angler. It might work for fluke.  Maybe with big sculpin that mimics a creek chub? My brother and I used to trap chubs off the dock at Giant’s Neck Beach and then drift them on fluke rigs off of Rocky Neck SP.  I haven’t done that in a long, long time….. Let me know how you do…..  And thanks for bringing back a few pleasant memories —

| I love fly fishing, Also love to fish for fluke i am wondering if anyone | might have a few tips on fly patterns and the best way that has a chance | in hooking up into a few fluke. | I mostly fish from a boat of the Ct. shore. | Thanks, Nat |

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Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and …. are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish.

How so?

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Flys arrived yesterday!  BEAUTIFUL!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!

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I got mine yesterday.  I am really impressed with the overall quality of the tying.  A nice assortment of styles represented. Pete Collin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Flys arrived yesterday!  BEAUTIFUL!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!

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am i the only one who hasn’t received the flies?  based on everyone’s reaction, i’m assuming frank didn’t include the mutants in your swap collection <g. jeff (sleepless in carolina) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got mine yesterday.

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Mine arrived today, thanks to every tyer, great job you did! And special thanks to Frank "the magic fast" Church; seems that my flies have been early in Germany than in Carolina. I hope I will make it next year too. Best regards Wim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Flys arrived yesterday!  BEAUTIFUL!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!

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Mine arrived yesterday, forgot to post, but a hearty "Thank-you" to Frank for the great job. What a fabulous batch of well tied flies from size 22-2/0, or something like that! Thanks to all who participated!                                 Tom L

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They arrived!  Very nice work.  I am inspired. Thank you. Glenn GKT

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Thank you to Frank most of all. Glenn GKT

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Mine arrived yesterday, forgot to post, but a hearty "Thank-you" to Frank for the great job. What a fabulous batch of well tied flies from size 22-2/0, or something like that! Thanks to all who participated!                                Tom L

Flies arrived today.  Thank you Frank for organizing.  This is a fun assortment of flies, nicely done.   Over and out. Eugene K.

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Much to my acute embarrassment I have discovered the reason why the flies never arrived… they were never sent. Tans had a number of packages that day and thought she had them all sent (We mail-order out several copies of my CD a week) but she found the fly package today under the seat of her car. I can’t apologize enough for the trouble this may have caused you Frank. Anyways, I now have 45 terrorestrial dry-flies sitting here and would like to donate them as a raffle prize for the Penn Clave.. who do I send them to??? can e-mail me a snail mail addy please. remove the remove for the real address. Sincerely (A Very Embarrassed) Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this– Oh shit!  Sorry Op, I just found your package of flies…..Guts the Cat hid it under my desk and chewed all the little bits of fur and feather leaving nothing but bare hooks! Clark Reid’s flies to get here from New Zealand! Recently deposed swapmeister…

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Me too. But then I’m in Georgia right now, not Montana and won’t be home for about another week. Bummer. Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitter, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive. I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–

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um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round.   jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – am i the only one who hasn’t received the flies?  based on everyone’s reaction, i’m assuming frank didn’t include the mutants in your swap collection <g. jeff (sleepless in carolina) I got mine yesterday.

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Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round.  

Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave

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Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round. Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave

Ditto.  The one I got and the one that Paul photographed look very good for a beginner.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Stan Gula writes: Jeff Miller writes: um, nevermind…arrived in today’s mail.  nice work y’all.  thanks for letting me tag along this year, and i’ll try to improve a bit for the next go-round. Your Hare’s Ear was fine, Jeff.  It’ll catch fish, and that is what it’s all about… Dave Ditto.  The one I got and the one that Paul photographed look very good for a beginner.

Yeah, but don’t forget, his lovely wife Rachel tied some of them.  I betcha mine, your’s and Paul’s were tied by her.  I hear tell that the ones he tied had blood on them!   <g Dave

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Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive.

I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–

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I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–

Oh shit!  Sorry Op, I just found your package of flies…..Guts the Cat hid it under my desk and chewed all the little bits of fur and feather leaving nothing but bare hooks! Reid’s flies to get here from New Zealand! Recently deposed swapmeister…

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<< I’m still waitin’! Op  –I may just have to go postal over this–   I’m whimpering quietly.  The mailbox was empty of fly swop boxes again today. I am clearly a sinner in the hand of an angry postal god. Glenn Tippy GKT

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regarding Re: Frank’s Fly Swap Flies Arrived!: E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them.

You can find the tying recipe and a little story about the Mountain Midge on a web page I do. The Url is http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html/fom9697.htm#fom11 I am very proud of this fly. It is simple, and one that I developed on my own. It was included in a book on fly patterns a few years ago, and is a pretty popular fly in our area thanks to the local flyshop owner who had me tie some 80 dozen or so for him one year. It works well during the winter fished about 18" below a yarn indicator, and also as the dropper in a hopper-dropper combination during the summer. Tim Lysyk timlysyk at shaw dot ca

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Recieved my shipment sometime last week.  They stocked the local delayed harvest waters in South Easternn PA.  Been on travel and was looking forward to coming home and fishing.  However with the rains (not to mention the cold temps) I figure I’d freeze and there were no flys in the swap that were detectable to fish feeding on the sonar mode due to zero water visibility. I liked the quality and variety of flies.  Got some good ideas for modifing designs I tie also.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive. I anxiously opened the package and dumped the contents onto the kitchet table. What a mess!  It seems that all 40 flies had begun to mutate into Hares Ears. There are some beautiful ties inspite of the partial mutation.  Once I seperated them, the mutation stopped and began to reverse itself with all except one.  It ended up looking like a pretty good Hares Ear and I can’t wait to catch a big salmon with it. <G Interesting ties: Bob Beardall’s Brassie Emerger:  That will be the first one fished and it will catch big brookies and land locks. Willi’s BWO emerger will be dabbed just upstream of some big brookies – and they will be fooled! E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them. Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and Glenn Tippy’s Alexandra Wet Fly are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish. All in all, this was a great swap.  All of the ties are wonderful.  Thanks to all, especially to Frank for putting it all together. Dave (getting ready to sit at the fly-tying bench and begin plagiarizing…..) d;0)

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good! Chris Fanning — tied with Lee Newton for the largest fly in Swap!

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good! Chris Fanning — tied with Lee Newton for the largest fly in Swap!

Mine also arrived today – a marvelous assortment of flies.  Looks like I’m going to have to get over to the ocean and try some saltwater FF so that I can try all of them. Thanks for all the work, Frank, and congratulations to all the participants. Bob Weinberger

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Well, the USPS finally made it to the far reaches of the East Coast.  I thought the 40 flies from the swap would never arrive. I anxiously opened the package and dumped the contents onto the kitchet table. What a mess!  It seems that all 40 flies had begun to mutate into Hares Ears. There are some beautiful ties inspite of the partial mutation.  Once I seperated them, the mutation stopped and began to reverse itself with all except one.  It ended up looking like a pretty good Hares Ear and I can’t wait to catch a big salmon with it. <G Interesting ties: Bob Beardall’s Brassie Emerger:  That will be the first one fished and it will catch big brookies and land locks. Willi’s BWO emerger will be dabbed just upstream of some big brookies – and they will be fooled! E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them. Warren Findley’s Pheasant Tail and Glenn Tippy’s Alexandra Wet Fly are both unusual, beautifully tied, and destined to catch fish. All in all, this was a great swap.  All of the ties are wonderful.  Thanks to all, especially to Frank for putting it all together. Dave (getting ready to sit at the fly-tying bench and begin plagiarizing…..) d;0)

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E. Tyler’s Midge Emerger Tim Lysyk’s Mountain Midge Both will be copied by me after I lose them.

Just a tip – copy them *before* you lose them <g. I finally got mine today as well.   I got home Friday night after a long day on airplanes & rental cars (Albany this time) to find lots of happy ROFFians posting their glee at receiving their swap booty.   Since my PO box is close to my office, not my home, I was forced to wait two whole days salivating, knowing the package was right there waiting for me.   I was already late this morning, so what’s another 10 minutes I fugure, and I stopped in the PO to claim my waiting prize. Most of the early recipients have used the superlatives; I’ll only add my concurrence.   It’s a fine lot of flies and a finer bunch of ROFFians I’m proud to be a part of.   Thanks to all (and of course, to YOFGS). Joe F. (3 months to DDFS2)

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Wonderful tying from you guys!  All the whining about how poorly your flies will look and fish was total bunk.  Each one is a work of art and I cannot wait to give them all a try!  Thanks to each one of the craftsmen that participated, you done _reel_ good!

Obviously you haven’t looked deeper into the flies yet.  Watch out for my #12 fly and hope you didn’t get it.  It left here perfect but might have overheated in the big brown truck and so I’m not responsible. — Warren For Henry’s Fork Clave and Bozeman fishing info www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt Reverse email to reply

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Now, that’s likely to increase interest in the swap.

not from me it won’t…. i sent that useless and futile grass stick down to my momma so she could stake some pole beans in her garden. she called me three days later and cussed me out but good after she donated it to the local homeless shelter for kindling. furthermore, i received a very ungracious e-mail from the third baptist church of jacksonville condemning me to satan for the lack of charity in my heart. all that aside, and accounted for, i, walt winter, hereby denounce and wish all sorts of evil becomings on george gherke for bedeviling me with this bullsh ….uhmmm…errr…. sorry, wrong number. waldo…. who…. caught two brookies, on the new, nc siberian whitewash, millenium day… yipeeeeeeeee! and… wishin all of ya’ll could have done the same…. <bseg….zimman

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Hi Frank and all Count me in with a canary salmon fly. All the best in 2001! Paul MacDonald – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mystery of the missing mail solved! I had setup a FLYSWAP folder in both my OE mail client and my Yahoo web mail, it seems they all went to the web mail site and *that* FLYSWAP folder…they’re all there, every single one.  Following is an updated list, and if you don’t see your name on there, give me a holler.  Sorry for the confusion. OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

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No Steve, but I’m still digging…damn thing’s gotta be here someplace! Frank (bamboozled) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mystery of the missing mail solved! Frank, did you receive an email from me wherein I offered to send you bamboo fly rods instead of flies on account of the fact that I don’t tie? –Steve (just checking

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OK Peter, your down for a wet one. <g Frank (tired already gray swapemupmeister) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yikes!  I hope not Stan!  Things should slow down now that the initial rush is over (?)  Seems to me we had about 29 sign up for the last Great FlySwap then it settled down to about 24 I think.  We now have 24 (at last count) Frank (Already tired and gray swapmeister!) Church After you’ve got your breath back, mine’s a Cahill Wet. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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OK Paul, you’re down for a canary salmon fly. Frank Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi Frank and all Count me in with a canary salmon fly. All the best in 2001! Paul MacDonald Mystery of the missing mail solved! I had setup a FLYSWAP folder in both my OE mail client and my Yahoo web mail, it seems they all went to the web mail site and *that* FLYSWAP folder…they’re all there, every single one.  Following is an updated list, and if you don’t see your name on there, give me a holler.  Sorry for the confusion. OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

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Where did you find someplace that would sell you a fishing license today?       Frank "calling out the rangers" Reid waldo…. who…. caught two brookies, on the new, nc siberian whitewash, millenium day… yipeeeeeeeee! and… wishin all of ya’ll could have done the same…. <bseg….zimman

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Now, that’s likely to increase interest in the swap. not from me it won’t…. i sent that useless and futile grass stick down to my momma so she could stake some pole beans in her garden. she called me three days later and cussed me out but good after she donated it to the local homeless shelter for kindling. furthermore, i received a very ungracious e-mail from the third baptist church of jacksonville condemning me to satan for the lack of charity in my heart. all that aside, and accounted for, i, walt winter, hereby denounce and wish all sorts of evil becomings on george gherke for bedeviling me with this bullsh ….uhmmm…errr…. sorry, wrong number.

_____-  That’s alright Walter, you got it free anyhow.  I just wish you had returned it to me instead.  I could have given it to a youngster much more in need who could never afford a fine fly rod like that one is.  Try and think of others once in a while in the future, will you? When one doesn’t want a gift, it would be the gentlemanly thing to return it quietly and in the same vein that it was sent you.  In friendship and respect. Things like this always seem to elude you Walter.  I’m sorry to hear about it. Happy New Year anyhow. — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mystery of the missing mail solved! I had setup a FLYSWAP folder in both my OE mail client and my Yahoo web mail, it seems they all went to the web mail site and *that* FLYSWAP folder…they’re all there, every single one.  Following is an updated list, and if you don’t see your name on there, give me a holler.  Sorry for the confusion. OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

Dear Frank: If you want, put me down for ONE new BLACKJACK Steelhead/Salmon Fly Streamer tied by me, and for ONE DRY FLY tied by George Harvey which is a collector’s item.  It’s value alone is $125 for one of these George Harvey dry flies. I will also send you some coin to help defray some of your postal costs.  How soon would you like to have these two flies Frank and are these flies enough for the exchange? Sincerely, George   — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/products/gehrke_rods_3.html

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Thanks for your generous offer George, but you only need to tie *one* pattern, multiplied by the number of tiers.  As things stand now, you would need to tie 28 copies of your Blackjack fly.  Also, you only need to include a return address and postage to cover your submission.  The flies must be in to me by 28 Feb.  I must leave for Florida this morning until Saturday so will be unavailable for messages until then. Thanks, Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Frank: If you want, put me down for ONE new BLACKJACK Steelhead/Salmon Fly Streamer tied by me, and for ONE DRY FLY tied by George Harvey which is a collector’s item.  It’s value alone is $125 for one of these George Harvey dry flies. I will also send you some coin to help defray some of your postal costs.  How soon would you like to have these two flies Frank and are these flies enough for the exchange? Sincerely, George — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/products/gehrke_rods_3.html

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Duty calls and I must leave for Tampa, FL this morning, so any questions, comments or criticisms concerning the Great FlySwap will go unanswered until this coming Saturday. And especially, the *criticisms* will go unanswered! Frank (Ye Olde Gray Swapmeister) Church …and soon to be tired, I expect…

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…..quietly and in the same vein……

Ahhhhhh!  This explains SO much! Wolfgang monkey?  what monkey?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your generous offer George, but you only need to tie *one* pattern, multiplied by the number of tiers.  As things stand now, you would need to tie 28 copies of your Blackjack fly.  Also, you only need to include a return address and postage to cover your submission.  The flies must be in to me by 28 Feb.  I must leave for Florida this morning until Saturday so will be unavailable for messages until then. Thanks, Frank Dear Frank: If you want, put me down for ONE new BLACKJACK Steelhead/Salmon Fly Streamer tied by me, and for ONE DRY FLY tied by George Harvey which is a collector’s item.  It’s value alone is $125 for one of these George Harvey dry flies. I will also send you some coin to help defray some of your postal costs.  How soon would you like to have these two flies Frank and are these flies enough for the exchange? Sincerely, George — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/products/gehrke_rods_3.html

Well, okay . . . but let’s make that either the Light Cahill Dry or Wet Fly?  It takes a long time to tie one BlackJack.  Too many flies and not enough heart beats left, LOL! — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Dear Frank: If you want, put me down for ONE new BLACKJACK Steelhead/Salmon Fly Streamer tied by me, and for ONE DRY FLY tied by George Harvey which is a collector’s item.  It’s value alone is $125 for one of these George Harvey dry flies.

I personally believe that George Harvey tied flies are a collector’s item but they are NOT valued at $125 a piece.  I am sure that is how much YOU claim your George Harvey ties to be worth on your insurance policies. Can I interest you in some ocean-front property in central PA? Dave — proud owner of a shadowbox of flies tied by George Harvey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:38 AM Frank, What a good idea the fly swap.  I live in Holland. Count me in for a Wallonian Special. We use this fly a lot in the Belgian Ardennen.We catch mostly Trout and Flag Salmon with this dry fly. I sent an email but you seem to have some trouble with all the enthusiastic email. Rudi Verberne OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 3rd update for the 2nd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2001, this thing really took off…….27 signed on as of now…Truly an international flyswap, we now have USA, Canada, The Netherlands, Germany and Australia, and I know there’s got to be others out there laying in the weeds……Willi? Wolfie? Zimbo? <<he’s good for a bamboo rod.  :-) Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

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Mystery of the missing mail solved! I had setup a FLYSWAP folder in both my OE mail client and my Yahoo web mail, it seems they all went to the web mail site and *that* FLYSWAP folder…they’re all there, every single one.  Following is an updated list, and if you don’t see your name on there, give me a holler.  Sorry for the confusion. OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great Herman Nijland…     to be announced Dave LaCourse….      Bottom Dweller Caddis Worm Bob Weinberger..       #16 Biot & CDC Caddis Peter Charles……         to be announced Dave Martell…….        Orange/Gold/Brown Clouser Deep Minnow/Crawdad Thom Adams…….        Tube body Callibaetis #14 Robert Mayrand        to be announced Dave Blackett            to be announced Alex Bromham           Iron Blue Dun

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So, we shooting for 50 tyers this time?  We’re up to 25 in 24 hours!

OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great

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Yikes!  I hope not Stan!  Things should slow down now that the initial rush is over (?)  Seems to me we had about 29 sign up for the last Great FlySwap then it settled down to about 24 I think.  We now have 24 (at last count) Frank (Already tired and gray swapmeister!) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So, we shooting for 50 tyers this time?  We’re up to 25 in 24 hours! OK would-be flyswappers, here’s the 2nd update for the 2nd Annual Great <big list snipped

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Mystery of the missing mail solved!

Frank, did you receive an email from me wherein I offered to send you bamboo fly rods instead of flies on account of the fact that I don’t tie? –Steve (just checking

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Now, that’s likely to increase interest in the swap. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mystery of the missing mail solved! Frank, did you receive an email from me wherein I offered to send you bamboo fly rods instead of flies on account of the fact that I don’t tie? –Steve (just checking

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Yikes!  I hope not Stan!  Things should slow down now that the initial rush is over (?)  Seems to me we had about 29 sign up for the last Great FlySwap then it settled down to about 24 I think.  We now have 24 (at last count) Frank (Already tired and gray swapmeister!) Church

After you’ve got your breath back, mine’s a Cahill Wet. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

Dang it!  I meant YOUR! Wayne, please remember its the message which counts, not the spelling. How many fingers am I holding up ole buddy? — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

_   Three! — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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Not to be rude or impudent, but I’ve noticed that you’ve both initiated and responded to numerous threads that either bear or should bear the POL opener in the subject header. Josh Haag "If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem" -Unknown (only because it’s too late for research, and I don’t own Bartlett’s Quotations) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I function best in the world I know best.  Fly fishing.  I sure wish all you other bastards would get back to the world of reality or take you political crap elsewhere. If wishes were beggars . . . — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html        bamboo flyrods & blanks    More Bamboo For Less Money Than     ANY OTHER FLY ROD IN THE WORLD

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Not to be rude or impudent, but I’ve noticed that you’ve both initiated and responded to numerous threads that either bear or should bear the POL opener in the subject header. Josh Haag

______  You’re correct Josh. Thing is, this place is full of the political stuff I’ve tried  hard to avoid.  Well, I’ll listen to you for a change because you are not rude nor impudent for speaking the truth. Nothing more annoying than a Demoncrat fly fisherman. whoops!   Seriously, I’m interested only in fly fishing matters and subject akin to that.  Lets face it Josh.  Darwin was not a fly fisherman. woos! http://www.gink.com George Imus Gehrke  (and yes, the ‘n’ is intentional) whoops!

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"If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem" -Unknown (only because it’s too late for research, and I don’t own Bartlett’s Quotations)

"You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem". Eldridge Cleaver, San Francisco, 1968 — Charlie…

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Soul on Margin… eh? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "You’re either part of the solution or part of the problem". Eldridge Cleaver, San Francisco, 1968 — Charlie…

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Soul on Margin… eh?

Well, he did die a Republican… — Charlie…

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Yep… MOI to the end…. from Minister Of Information to Manager Of Investments I think many of us can relate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Soul on Margin… eh? Well, he did die a Republican… — Charlie…

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If wishes were beggars . . .

Horses could ride?? — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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If wishes were beggars . . . Horses could ride??

Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it?

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Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it?

*The*? — Charlie…

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Yeah, really shows the critical defect in his thought processes, don’t it? *The*?

Whoops! Sorry, obviously should have said "one of the countless". /daytripper (My bad!)

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Does anyone have info re: the upcoming fly expo in Lisle.  I know that it’s sponsored by the Dupage River Fly Tyers (DRIFT) but am wondering if there will be industry vendors present.  Or, is it a clinic featuring DRIFT members? Thanks, Dave Before you buy.

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All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th.  I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have info re: the upcoming fly expo in Lisle.  I know that it’s sponsored by the Dupage River Fly Tyers (DRIFT) but am wondering if there will be industry vendors present.  Or, is it a clinic featuring DRIFT members? Thanks, Dave Before you buy.

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I heard from two people that last year’s show at Oak Brook was a huge flop. I’m not sure if the Lisle show is replacing the Oak Brook show.

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Here’s the url: http://www.steelheadsite.com/mwff_expo.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th.  I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show. Is that the show that they usually have in Oak Brook? Joel Axelrad

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All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th.  I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show.

Is that the show that they usually have in Oak Brook? Joel Axelrad

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<good story snipped I liked it a lot, Adam. Put me in mind of my favorite Sierra small stream and had me reflexively looking for my hiking boots. thanks, -sid

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<snipped Keep writing stuff like that and you won’t have anyone out to get you.  Well done. Reminded me of a little spot I often go to get away from the hustle and bustle of the tourists. Warren Remember, men will come and men will go, but the streams and mountains go on forever. -Bob Carmichael

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In the early morning light, long sun rays make diamond glints in the dew covered grass.

    (snip)     very well written prose, adam. wayno

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Dear Adam, This is what fly fishing is about. It is not what you catch but where you catch (if you catch). And the more, this is what fly fishing in Continental Europe is about, small streams in Belgium, Northern France and Germany. No huge trout out for your fly (you are more than lucky to catch one of upto 40 cm), but to be away from it all. Marcel From The Netherlands

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the early morning light, long sun rays make diamond glints in the dew covered grass. A spruce forest edges the little meadow in deep blue-green while a sparkling tiny stream draws a shallow meandering line through the alpine valley. Undercut grassy banks border the small riffles below a plunge pool. The solitude is perfect, the setting is awesome and there is room for only one observer at a time. A small stream is enough to re-kindle the fishing flame of one’s youth every time. Creeping or low crawling through the grass, the coolness of the dew soaks into your clothes, but the focus is on a gin clear pool thirty feet ahead. The light fly rod gets caught in the grass, but you casually unhook the tip, careful to clear the rod from the tangle without making sudden movements. Unhooking the fly, stripping out enough line to make a cast to the near side of the pool, you sit up on your feet, crouching to maintain a low profile. Switching two false casts, you shoot a tight loop laying the fly line on the grass with the leader hooking into the pool. The leader is long enough to cross the pool, but you know this and have made a perfect presentation into the tail of the pool in order to not upset the wary brook trout upstream. The cast is unproductive, but that does not slow your racing pulse. A quick pick up and cast again in one smooth movement farther upstream, the caddis mimic alights like a natural. A small piece of the stream bed moves and suddenly the caddis is gone in a swirl. In the same moment, you lift the little fly rod, tightening the line. Telegraphed up the fly line, surges of the brook trout are felt through the light fly rod. Quickly playing the fish to hand, the gemstone colors of the small trout glow brightly. Releasing the trout from the barbless hook completes the act and the scurry for cover is evidence that this one is unharmed. Small stream fly fishing is gaining in popularity. The reasons are easy enough to understand. Solitude in the outdoor is at the top of the list. There are rivers to fish with many anglers if you want to share the experience. Rivers are popular fly fishing destinations and they are reflected on by all forms of the media. Small streams are out of the way, not reported on regularly and introspection, not popularity echoes here. A feeder stream, off the fishing path can provide a afternoon of quiet thoughts while experiencing the outdoors by yourself. There are no television or magazine anglers here, just you and your thoughts among the trees. Outfitting for fly fishing a small stream is a personal choice. A fly rod with a couple of flys in a film canister along with swim trunks makes things simple. On the other hand, a modern fourth generation graphite fly rod with a large arbor reel and specialized mini shooting head fly line can make decisions difficult. Hundreds of stone, caddis, and mayflys in expensive aluminum compartment fly boxes tucked in a ergonomically tailored vest, bulging with the latest gadgetry for the technically minded is another possible choice. Some use a bamboo fly rod made in the early part of the century, possibly handed down in the family. Somewhere in there lies a typical small stream fisher. We are a diverse lot, but we are looking for the same thing, peace in nature’s solitude. Light fly line weights are standard for small streams. Line weights of zero through five are generally considered an advantage when casting for wary trout. The small diameter of a light fly line combined with the light weight reduces the unwanted sight and impact when making a presentation. For small streams, fly sizes are small and wind is usually not a hinderance. A good fly rod choice will be a seven foot three weight. You can give or take a foot in length and a fly line size and still have a good choice for a rod. A small reel without a drag is all that is necessary. Equipment can be as technical or as simple as you want to make it. Fly fishing equipment is a personal choice that should match the fisher and the water being fished. Moving along on a small stream seems to come natural. Most fishing is done in an upstream manner to approach the trout from behind. Trout hold in the current to feed most of the time and their blind spot is to the rear. You need all the help that you can get when the stream is shallow, and the fish are wary of predators. This is because of the lack of deep water and structure to hide in. In order to be successful, a good creeping technique must be developed. Select earth tones for your clothes, a low profile when approaching a productive section, and as few false casts as possible. The better you become, the more your back will hurt! Headhunting, a term that is used for a fly fisher consumed by catching the largest fish does not apply here. Not that a small stream fly angler will turn their back on a large brown trout, that is exactly what some do. This is a technique used to reduce the anglers "presence" to the wary trout when rigging for the situation. The fishing attitude is one of opportunity. If a large trout is caught, it is a gift. The essence is the outdoor experience. To catch a small glistening gem and to give it back to nature, this is what small stream fishing is about. Not a quest for monster trout. On your adventure please remember this. The small stream environment is usually pristine, one single piece of trash is out of place. No impact hiking is a must, and if some trash is found, packing it out is good form. Hiking along, if another angler is present, give him or her a wide berth to minimize the intrusion. Fly fishing small streams is a return to solitude that we all need. A perfect way to enjoy the outdoors. I hope you like my story, adam

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In the early morning light, long sun rays make diamond glints in the dew covered grass. A spruce forest edges the little meadow in deep blue-green while a sparkling tiny stream draws a shallow meandering line through the alpine valley. Undercut grassy banks border the small riffles below a plunge pool. The solitude is perfect, the setting is awesome and there is room for only one observer at a time. A small stream is enough to re-kindle the fishing flame of one’s youth every time. Creeping or low crawling through the grass, the coolness of the dew soaks into your clothes, but the focus is on a gin clear pool thirty feet ahead. The light fly rod gets caught in the grass, but you casually unhook the tip, careful to clear the rod from the tangle without making sudden movements. Unhooking the fly, stripping out enough line to make a cast to the near side of the pool, you sit up on your feet, crouching to maintain a low profile. Switching two false casts, you shoot a tight loop laying the fly line on the grass with the leader hooking into the pool. The leader is long enough to cross the pool, but you know this and have made a perfect presentation into the tail of the pool in order to not upset the wary brook trout upstream. The cast is unproductive, but that does not slow your racing pulse. A quick pick up and cast again in one smooth movement farther upstream, the caddis mimic alights like a natural. A small piece of the stream bed moves and suddenly the caddis is gone in a swirl. In the same moment, you lift the little fly rod, tightening the line. Telegraphed up the fly line, surges of the brook trout are felt through the light fly rod. Quickly playing the fish to hand, the gemstone colors of the small trout glow brightly. Releasing the trout from the barbless hook completes the act and the scurry for cover is evidence that this one is unharmed. Small stream fly fishing is gaining in popularity. The reasons are easy enough to understand. Solitude in the outdoor is at the top of the list. There are rivers to fish with many anglers if you want to share the experience. Rivers are popular fly fishing destinations and they are reflected on by all forms of the media. Small streams are out of the way, not reported on regularly and introspection, not popularity echoes here. A feeder stream, off the fishing path can provide a afternoon of quiet thoughts while experiencing the outdoors by yourself. There are no television or magazine anglers here, just you and your thoughts among the trees. Outfitting for fly fishing a small stream is a personal choice. A fly rod with a couple of flys in a film canister along with swim trunks makes things simple. On the other hand, a modern fourth generation graphite fly rod with a large arbor reel and specialized mini shooting head fly line can make decisions difficult. Hundreds of stone, caddis, and mayflys in expensive aluminum compartment fly boxes tucked in a ergonomically tailored vest, bulging with the latest gadgetry for the technically minded is another possible choice. Some use a bamboo fly rod made in the early part of the century, possibly handed down in the family. Somewhere in there lies a typical small stream fisher. We are a diverse lot, but we are looking for the same thing, peace in nature’s solitude. Light fly line weights are standard for small streams. Line weights of zero through five are generally considered an advantage when casting for wary trout. The small diameter of a light fly line combined with the light weight reduces the unwanted sight and impact when making a presentation. For small streams, fly sizes are small and wind is usually not a hinderance. A good fly rod choice will be a seven foot three weight. You can give or take a foot in length and a fly line size and still have a good choice for a rod. A small reel without a drag is all that is necessary. Equipment can be as technical or as simple as you want to make it. Fly fishing equipment is a personal choice that should match the fisher and the water being fished. Moving along on a small stream seems to come natural. Most fishing is done in an upstream manner to approach the trout from behind. Trout hold in the current to feed most of the time and their blind spot is to the rear. You need all the help that you can get when the stream is shallow, and the fish are wary of predators. This is because of the lack of deep water and structure to hide in. In order to be successful, a good creeping technique must be developed. Select earth tones for your clothes, a low profile when approaching a productive section, and as few false casts as possible. The better you become, the more your back will hurt! Headhunting, a term that is used for a fly fisher consumed by catching the largest fish does not apply here. Not that a small stream fly angler will turn their back on a large brown trout, that is exactly what some do. This is a technique used to reduce the anglers "presence" to the wary trout when rigging for the situation. The fishing attitude is one of opportunity. If a large trout is caught, it is a gift. The essence is the outdoor experience. To catch a small glistening gem and to give it back to nature, this is what small stream fishing is about. Not a quest for monster trout. On your adventure please remember this. The small stream environment is usually pristine, one single piece of trash is out of place. No impact hiking is a must, and if some trash is found, packing it out is good form. Hiking along, if another angler is present, give him or her a wide berth to minimize the intrusion. Fly fishing small streams is a return to solitude that we all need. A perfect way to enjoy the outdoors. I hope you like my story, adam

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Assuming that you didn’t set the rod in a corner or leave it in its aluminum tube in your car, I’d say that it sounds like insufficient heat-treating of the bamboo.  (Is the rod a "blonde" bamboo or darker?)  I’d say you should contact the manufacturer. George

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently purchased a fairly expensive 7′  3wt.custom bamboo rod.  After a few careful fishing excursions I noticed a slight curve has developed between the tip of the rod and the second eye from the top.  Is this a normal characteristic of bamboo or a quality or workmanship issue. Any advice greatly appreciated Tom Bogdan

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I recently purchased a fairly expensive 7′  3wt.custom bamboo rod.  After a few careful fishing excursions I noticed a slight curve has developed between the tip of the rod and the second eye from the top.  Is this a normal characteristic of bamboo or a quality or workmanship issue. Any advice greatly appreciated Tom Bogdan

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It is completly normal and is called a "fishing set" or just a "set". Ways to avoid them is to occasionally turn the rod over when fighting a fish and make sure the rod is dry before putting it back in the tube. If you want to correct it you can heat the section with a hair dryer and hold the section straight until it cools or go fishing and catch a few fish playing them with the rod turned 180 degrees. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently purchased a fairly expensive 7′  3wt.custom bamboo rod.  After a few careful fishing excursions I noticed a slight curve has developed between the tip of the rod and the second eye from the top.  Is this a normal characteristic of bamboo or a quality or workmanship issue. Any advice greatly appreciated Tom Bogdan

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I recently purchased a fairly expensive 7′  3wt.custom bamboo rod.  After a few careful fishing excursions I noticed a slight curve has developed between the tip of the rod and the second eye from the top.  Is this a normal characteristic of bamboo or a quality or workmanship issue.

The first couple of rods I built have both shown a proclivity towards a tip set. I think it was a combination of three things (1) poor workmanship (i.e. insufficient heat treating), (2) excessively long sections–both rods were 5 feet long with no ferrule, and (3) improper storage–I live in a very humid climate and I did not take steps to make sure the rods were kept dry. Since then I’ve built several rods with improvements in all three of the above shortcomings. So far none of those rods is any less straight today that it was when it was new (which is to say in some cases that they didn’t start out arrow straight to begin with–but that’s another topic . Assuming you haven’t horsed fish in (and it sounds like you’ve been careful), I would see if the builder would be willing to restraighten the rod for you at his expense. It might not stay straight, but the builder’s reaction will tell you a lot. As Paul mentioned in a different reply, you can do it yourself using a hair dryer and gentle pressure in the opposite direction of the set. The bottom line: if I were one day to start making rods professionaly, I would consider a tip set after only a couple of careful uses (assuming the rod is being stored correctly) to be a shortcoming in my heat-treating technique. –Steve

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It’s a quality and workmanship issue, return it! Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently purchased a fairly expensive 7′  3wt.custom bamboo rod.  After a few careful fishing excursions I noticed a slight curve has developed between the tip of the rod and the second eye from the top.  Is this a normal characteristic of bamboo or a quality or workmanship issue. Any advice greatly appreciated Tom Bogdan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s a quality and workmanship issue, return it! Vern I recently purchased a fairly expensive 7′  3wt.custom bamboo rod.  After a few careful fishing excursions I noticed a slight curve has developed between the tip of the rod and the second eye from the top.  Is this a normal characteristic of bamboo or a quality or workmanship issue. Any advice greatly appreciated Tom Bogdan

_______  You may be too hasty here.  This is what you need to do.  Look at the tip closely and make sure it has a good varnish finish on it, protecting the rod from getting wet inside. Sets in bamboo fly rods can be caused the same way as with graphite. Setting it in an upright position leaning against a corner or wall or having a bend in the tip over a long period of time.  Heat in the summer, beating down on any fly rod can cause tips or rods to take a set. With bamboo Tom, if you’re satisfied the finish is well done and the fly rod is not wet inside,  you can do this.  Set a hair dryer up to blow hot air.  Heat that section of the fly rod gently until the rod gets not warm, but hot.  Yet, not hot enough to burn it.  Hot enough to make it pliable.  Simply remove from heat and torque the bend or set out into opposite direction and hold it there until rod cools.  All bamboo fly rods are straightened like this Tom.  A master fly rod maker can’t pick up a fly rod without tweaking it time and again until it is finally finished and ready for delivery.   The heat will soften the glue enough so it will move molecularly.  It makes no difference it your have a $7,000 Bamboo Fly Rod or a Production Line fly rod – they all will take sets sooner or later. Permit me to offer you some sage advice.  Store your tip tops of your tips to the top of your tube next to the cork handle.  Regarding the bag with a cord to wrap them with?  DON’T use them.  Simply insert the rod with sock loosely into the tube.  Always try and keep your bamboo fly rods laying flat or straight and apart over long periods of time.  If you make a mental error regarding your tips and you get a set because they got too hot in the sun when under car glass, etc.  You can now fix the problem yourself. If you are not sure, send it too me and I will fix it for you for nothing.  What brand fly rod  it is, isn’t important. — George Gehrke/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html http://www.gink.com/rod_facts/bastardjun00.html  LATEST BAMBOO FACTS "the saga continues"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have an Uncle who recently showed me a fly rod that he has had for 20 yrs. I have never heard of the name of the maker and I was hoping that someone out there could maybe help me find out what its worth and where it came from. I have searched the internet and haven’t found anything. Here is a list of what the rod says on it: Made by T. C. Ivens "The Ivens Farstrike" Made in London 9′ 4"     6# That is all the markings that are on the rod. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Please email me with any responses as I do not have a chance to check this newsgroup very often. Thanks for any help. Mark Blanks

Contact this web sit.  They may be able to answer your bamboo question.    http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.htm Good luck. Joel Axelrad Joel Axelrad

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Made by T. C. Ivens "The Ivens Farstrike" Made in London 9′ 4"     6#

Tom Ivens was not really a rod manufacturer but a well-known English angling writer (born 1922, author of Still Water Fly Fishing etc.)  Rods with his name are probably discussed in British magazines of the 1960s e.g. Trout and Salmon. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I have an Uncle who recently showed me a fly rod that he has had for 20 yrs. I have never heard of the name of the maker and I was hoping that someone out there could maybe help me find out what its worth and where it came from. I have searched the internet and haven’t found anything. Here is a list of what the rod says on it: Made by T. C. Ivens "The Ivens Farstrike" Made in London 9′ 4"     6# That is all the markings that are on the rod. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Please email me with any responses as I do not have a chance to check this newsgroup very often. Thanks for any help. Mark Blanks

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While picking the brain of a more experienced fly fisherman today I was puzzled by a remark he made about bamboo rods.  He said the reason for two tips was to permit a tip to "rest".  According to him bamboo begins to lose power in the tip section after several hours of fishing and must be "rested" for a time. I find this improbable but would like to hear about the behavior of bamboo as a fly-rod material and any special care required. Wayne To fish is human…to release devine.

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Wayne wrote While picking the brain of a more experienced fly fisherman today I was puzzled by a remark he made about bamboo rods.  He said the reason for two tips was to permit a tip to "rest".  According to him bamboo begins to lose power in the tip section after several hours of fishing and must be "rested" for a time. I find this improbable but would like to hear about the behavior of bamboo as a fly-rod material and any special care required. Wayne To fish is human…to release devine.

The tip section gets what is known as a "set" a curve downward.  Especially if you catch a lot of big fish or have the rod overlined.  This curve (set) remains in the tip and would have to be straightened by a rod builder or person who is expert in the process.  If you have a twin tip rod it’s best to rotate the tips.  Resting them will not straighten them! Joel Axelrad

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The tip section gets what is known as a "set" a curve downward.  Especially if you catch a lot of big fish or have the rod overlined.  This curve (set) remains in the tip and would have to be straightened by a rod builder or person who is expert in the process.  If you have a twin tip rod it’s best to rotate the tips.  Resting them will not straighten them! Joel Axelrad

As well, one should consciously (and conscientiously) avoid applying prolonged unidirectional pressure on the tip section of your favorite cane rod, and rotate the rod about its long axis while playing in your catch (ie: half the time the reel should be below the rod, the other half it should be above). Awkward for certain, but every little bit will help keep your cane healthy and avoid the dreaded set. /dave

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Wayne wrote While picking the brain of a more experienced fly fisherman today I was puzzled by a remark he made about bamboo rods.  He said the reason for two tips was to permit a tip to "rest".  According to him bamboo begins to lose power in the tip section after several hours of fishing and must be "rested" for a time. I find this improbable but would like to hear about the behavior of bamboo as a fly-rod material and any special care required.

A set can happen for a lot of reasons, playing big fish or overlining the rod are but two fo them.  Leaning the rod in a corner, hanging it like a rifle, even the way the rod was made and the glue used could cause the tips or any section of the rod to take a set, especially if there was a weak flat in the section. As for two tips so that you can rotate them, well, that is partly true, but it very much depends on the rod.  A great many of the older, and even some newer rods are made with two tips to do various things.  Some had a Wet Fly action tip and a Dry Fly action tip.  Some were and are even produced to handle different line weights – say a 5 and a 7. As for bamboo losing power after a time, that happens after many years of fishing.  There is no need to rest a tip after a day of fishing. One other point about two tips comes up often, and that is that the second tip is an insurance policy against breakage.  Nice to have a spare tip when you are at a remote camp for a few days. Lastly, should a rod take a set, you can have it removed.  But chances are that the set will reapear in time.

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While picking the brain of a more experienced fly fisherman today I was puzzled by a remark he made about bamboo rods.  He said the reason for two tips was to permit a tip to "rest".  According to him bamboo begins to lose power in the tip section after several hours of fishing and must be "rested" for a time. I find this improbable but would like to hear about the behavior of bamboo as a fly-rod material and any special care required.

Hi Wayne, Bamboo is an organic material which does soften up and wear out over time with hard use, but a few hours of casting is a bit of a stretch.  Also, because the material is no longer alive, It can’t repair itself or get stronger form resting.   The two tips were supplied because the tip  flexes the most and wears out the quickest. If you alternate the tips everytime you go out fishing it will typically take 50 years of hard fishing to soften them up to the point that you need to use a lighter line than the rod originally cast.  If you use the same tip all the time, it takes ~25 years of hard fishing to reach this point. this is a slow process and happens so gradually that the fly fisher rarely realizes it’s happened. It’s possible for the butt section to also soften up, but there is so much more material in the butt section, it is rare. Most people who used bamboo rods in their heyday, didn’t alternate the tips every time they went out.  They used one until they broke it (typically in a door of some kind)  and then used the other tip. If the rod was used a lot and fished with the same tip, using the other tip on makes the rod cast entirely differently.   When you look at such a rod, it’s usually pretty easy to determine which tip was used the most. Dependant upon what type of glue was used to make the rod, you can also put a set (or permanent bend) in the rod by fighting particulalry large fish for extended periods of time.  To counteract this, many who use bamboo rods will turn the rod over during the fight, and fight the fish with the reel above the rod instead of below it.  The idea was to even out the stress on the tip and keep it straight.  Still others will point to the set in their rod as a battle scar and saythings like, "You should have seen the fish that put that set in my rod — monster!!".  Most old, well used,  bamboo rods have some evidence of a set in them.  If the set gets bad enough to inhibit casting, it can be taken out with the judicious use of dry heat, preferably done by an experienced bamboo rod builder.                                  Hope this helps,                                        Dan Dan Gracia Orvis

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The answer to both of your questions is YES…..

Along with Larry’s good advice, in using cane pay attention to the varnish and other details. If there are nicks and problems moisture can get in and delaminate it so touch it up with spar varnish.  If you hear clicking from a ferrule take care of it before it works loose and causes a break. When playing a good sized fish turn the rod around so it’s not always bending the same direction, to prevent putting a permanent bend in it. And never ever put it away damp.  It is better for it to be out in the rain overnight than in a damp cloth sleeve in a closed tube. I am gradually switching to cane for most of my fishing. I enjoy the slower pace of casting. I enjoy the more substantial heft of the solid cane in the light rods compared to hollow rods that feel weightless. Solid cane is more rugged than hollow graphite when you step on it. You feel the line load the rod and the way the rod springs back to fling it.  Someone spent as much time to make the rods as I had to work to pay for them.  You can buy great cane rods that collectors shun for $100-200 because maybe someone broke an inch off the tip or rewrapped them without regard for color matching. Friday I used an old 8 wt. Granger on the North Umpqua and caught a 10 lb. wild steelhead. That rod might be too heavy to cast all day but I sit and watch a river half the time anyway, the best technique of all for success and enjoyment. My modern reel backlashed so I had to play it by hand and hold tight when it tried to run. I should have used a pflueger.  The rod had backbone to spare. The smile will last for months, regardless of how the Raiders play. I am more hoping we can get the Oakland A’s back in a few years. Mark Vinsel Oakland, CA www.vinsel.com

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Sorry but I just have to comment on the Traitor Raiders. Don’t watch them anymore, don’t care. Let them move back to LA. When a team can fill the stands and the owner still moves them because of pure greed, that team should no longer be supported by those that care. Same thing should have happened to the Baltimore Colts when they moved. Although football teams are privately owned, they take on the name of the city where they play, it wasn’t the A. Davis Raiders, It was the Oakland Raiders, in using the name, they owe something to the city and fans that supported them so well Jerry in Lodi (close to Oakland) http://www.softcom.net/users/dorado — ——- Hope you always have time to go fishing, Jerry in Lodi      Al & Jerry’s Excellent Adventures           http://www.softcom.net/users/dorado     Member: Save Our Stripers          http://www.softcom.net/users/dorado/sos.htm

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Yes, bamboo requires a much slower stroke than graphite. A good caster adjusts to the rod instead of finding a rod that he can cast. There are no more REAL Raiders.  It’s like the old saying "you can’t go home again".  Al Davis really stuck it to the taxpayers of Alameda County and we didn’t even get a chance to vote on the money we are paying for the pleasure of watching them loose.  It looks like they are going to repeat their loosing performance again this year. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The answer to both of your questions is YES….. Naturally, you’ll need to carefully inspect the rods for splits between the cane sections, tight ferrules, no unraveling wraps on the eyes and a tight reel seat. You need to handle the rod carefully, not to load it too much, make some nice gentle casts, say up to 30′ with it at first and then lengthen the line…..you will likely be surprised how smooth it feels and how well you feel the line straighten out behind you as opposed to graphite. The REAL Raiders had a glorious existence in OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA until their bonehead owner decided to "fool with Mother Nature"…he wasn’t making enough money, made ridiculous demands on the city and county who owned th estadium the Raiders played and won super bowl championships from and move the team to Los Angeles….they went into the former LA Coliseum which had ben renovated for the 84 olympics, never could fill it and failed to have much success playing there…..a few years back, they lied to the former city and county in which they won lots of fans and games, convinced them to rebiuld the stadium, sell "seat licenses"

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Well when you reach my age the first thing to go is your memory and I forgot what the second thing is. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Errol Mann is my investment broker….he doesn’t fish I remember George Blanda,I don’t remember Don.

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As a follow-up question to the group: Is it realistic to expect to use a 30 to 70 year old bamboo  rod for day to day fishing.  Even if in otherwise good condition would the moisture loss and case hardening of bamboo occur as in wood to reduce flexibility and increase internal friction damage? Thanks to the group for the excellent information about bamboo. Was there a football team called Raiders? Wayne To fish is human…to release devine.

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The answer to both of your questions is YES….. Naturally, you’ll need to carefully inspect the rods for splits between the cane sections, tight ferrules, no unraveling wraps on the eyes and a tight reel seat. You need to handle the rod carefully, not to load it too much, make some nice gentle casts, say up to 30′ with it at first and then lengthen the line…..you will likely be surprised how smooth it feels and how well you feel the line straighten out behind you as opposed to graphite. The REAL Raiders had a glorious existence in OAKLAND, CALIFORNIA until their bonehead owner decided to "fool with Mother Nature"…he wasn’t making enough money, made ridiculous demands on the city and county who owned th estadium the Raiders played and won super bowl championships from and move the team to Los Angeles….they went into the former LA Coliseum which had ben renovated for the 84 olympics, never could fill it and failed to have much success playing there…..a few years back, they lied to the former city and county in which they won lots of fans and games, convinced them to rebiuld the stadium, sell "seat licenses"

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I remember George Blanda,I don’t remember Don.

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Errol Mann is my investment broker….he doesn’t fish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I remember George Blanda,I don’t remember Don.

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Larry, I remember Don Blanda, he used to fill in for Ken Stabler.  He was the oldest quarterback playing at that time, but normally was the Raiders place kicker.  Those were the good old days. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The 3 canes I have, all having two tips at least at ONE time, have tips of differing composition…I mean one of them being of a stouter material. There is/was a marked difference in the performance of the rods dependent on the tip used…I had always thought of it as a "nymphing tip" and a "dry fly tip", that’s how different the action of the rods were. I still take one cane out each trip, and get it maybe a half hour of action, but then they go back to rest, with a brandy and a cigar…..=8^) I refer to them as my "Blanda Rods" for those of you with remembrances of Raiders football in the late 60s – early 70s. Larry #:)#

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The 3 canes I have, all having two tips at least at ONE time, have tips of differing composition…I mean one of them being of a stouter material. There is/was a marked difference in the performance of the rods dependent on the tip used…I had always thought of it as a "nymphing tip" and a "dry fly tip", that’s how different the action of the rods were. I still take one cane out each trip, and get it maybe a half hour of action, but then they go back to rest, with a brandy and a cigar…..=8^) I refer to them as my "Blanda Rods" for those of you with remembrances of Raiders football in the late 60s – early 70s. Larry #:)#

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I always thought the idea of two tips was that the tip is the most likely the section to get  broken. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While picking the brain of a more experienced fly fisherman today I was puzzled by a remark he made about bamboo rods.  He said the reason for two tips was to permit a tip to "rest".  According to him bamboo begins to lose power in the tip section after several hours of fishing and must be "rested" for a time. I find this improbable but would like to hear about the behavior of bamboo as a fly-rod material and any special care required. Wayne To fish is human…to release devine.

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While picking the brain of a more experienced fly fisherman today I was puzzled by a remark he made about bamboo rods.  He said the reason for two tips was to permit a tip to "rest".  According to him bamboo begins to lose power in the tip section after several hours of fishing and must be "rested" for a time.

I can’t speak as to bamboo rods (mine having only one tip each, but not normally used continuously for more than a couple of hours) — but fibreglass rods seemed to become "fatigued" after a day’s continuous use.  I first noticed this in cold weather (air temp 30 to 40 deg. F.) fishing for Great Lakes steelhead with a Fenwick fibreglass rod about 1970.  It seemed important enough that when I got a second state-of-the-art glass rod I used to swap after 3 or 4 hours. This fatigue phenomenon has not been observed in graphite rods (Loomis and no-brand IM6.)  But then I have not for 20 years flogged the water continuously all day long when fishing for fall steelhead, being physically weaker and more experienced . . . . — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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mor sporty tho fly-fish. more fun. makes small fish seem big and makes them feel they fight harder.  bait chunckers suck

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Well, bait chuckers *do suck*….but thats besides the point.

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i’ve asked about fishing in colorado during the first week of april, and i’ve gotten mixed responses.  some say i’ll need an ice pick, others say there will be good fishing.  i’m confused. i’ll be staying in winter park, but would be willing to drive 1.5-2 hours to get  to a fishable locale.  i’m new to fly fishing, so i probably will be practicing my casting more than catching fish, but who knows?  any tips would be appreciated. anyone in colorado up for some fishing? (or teaching?) thanks, narayan — Narayan Nayar

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Dear Novice, I am an avid flyfisherman in Colorado and fish all season.  Depending on where you go you may encounter ice or clear, cold water.  The South Platte River, although heavily fished, can be fished all year around.  The area around Deckers is the most popular and has "Gold Medal" water.  You can pull out a 10lb rainbow in some of the deeper Holes (Gilpen Trail) or below Cheesman Dam.  Another place to fish is the Blue River in Silverthorne.  Some of the biggest fish are right below the Dam and in back of the outlet stores.  Word has it that their are 15lb Rainbows that are in their.  They feed on Miasis (sp?) Shrimp.  These are all within about 2 hrs or less.  One thing to remember is that the weather can be either beautiful and 50 degrees, or snowing 6-12 inches (especially in Summit county). Those are two places that you can try.  They are popular, but there are many fishing stores around to help you with fly selection and equipment.

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I’m going to try fly fishing for the first time this year.  I’ve been fishing with traditional spinning tackle for 30 years but finally am going to take the plunge.  I recieved a Berkley Onyx Select #6/7 8′6" graphite rod as a Christmas gift but yet have to purchace a reel, lines, leader backing etc..  Primarily since most of the fishing in my area is in lakes I’d like any suggestions as what might be a good way to start.  I’d like to get something suitable to the rod.  Rainbow trout, smallmouth bass, goldeye and panfish would be my target species primarily.  My budget isn’t large but I’d like to put more emphasis on a good line and not on the reel.  Basically the best bang for the buck. I’m open to all suggestions from the vast experience of you seasoned fly fisherman.                         Thanks in advance,                         Thane Maddaford                         Manitoba, Canada

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<snip  My budget isn’t large but I’d like to put more emphasis on a good line and not on the reel.  Basically the best bang for the buck.

<snip Hi Thane, Sounds like the rod you have will be fine for the lake fishing you describe. You will probably want to have at least two fly lines so that you can effectively fish varying depths. You will definitely want a floating line first – this goes without saying. As for brand, take your pick…SA or Cortland, they’re both excellent. The tougher question would be which type of sinking line you need. We typically recommend full-sinking as opposed to sink-tip lines in lakes, as the full-sink will allow you to more successfully detect subtle takes. I’m going to suggest a Type II Uniform Sink from Scientific Anglers. A #II sink rate is relatively slow which will allow you to fish in the kind of waters most fly fishers love best – shallow and weedy with lots-o’-bugs. If you do need the line to reach greater depths, simply wait longer before moving the fly. You won’t get in as many casts in a day, but at least you have some versatility built-in. If you do eventually go to a system with more sinking lines, a common list might be as follows: Floater Intermediate Type II Type IV Another line we really like is the new "Stillwater" line from SA. It is essentially a 90′ leader. It is a mono-core line which is coated with SA’s proprietary "slime-line" coating. It is a clear line that sinks at a rate somewhere between an intermediate and a type II. This is about the only sinking line I use anymore (unless I’m dredging a very deep lake for some reason). It is awesome along the weed beds during a damsel emergence! As for the reel…there’s lots in the sub $100 category – they seem to get better every year. Orvis, SA, Cortland, etc. etc… I hope this helps,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, Ca.   WWW Fly Tyer:   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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If you really want `bang for the buck’ and are starting out, get a Cortland 333 flyline and their basic Rimfly or Crown II reel. (I think these run about $35-$40)  If you want to spend a little more on the reel, their LTD with the disc drag is a great value at about $70.  There’s a lot of stuff out there, but they have a good reputation and offer good values.

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I have not tried you rod. Suggest you take it into a good flyshop and have them fit it with line and reel.  You will probably need a full floating line and some form of sinking line; but ask the local experts.

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