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I am looking into getting a rainproof wading jacket. What is everyone using and how do you like it? — // Dan in Old Town, Maine \

I purchased an L. L. Bean gortex wading jacket with the neoprene cuffs, handwarmer pockets, etc. several years ago for a trip to Ireland. I recommend it highly! The price was not bad and the features are great. Tight Lines, Mike.

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I am looking into getting a rainproof wading jacket. What is everyone using and how do you like it? I want to have several options: leak proof sleeve cuffs (neoprene or something) adjustable waist, several pockets on outside and inside, adjustable hood, ability to get into vest inside without opening jacket, hand warming pockets. Does one exist ?? I have seen Cabela’s, LL Bean’s and Streamline’s. What else is out there ? I like Cabela’s price but Bean’s features. What do you say ??

I have a Cabella’s Gore-Tex and it works fine. I fished for 6 hours in a cold rain in mid may and it kept me completly dry. MikeH

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I am looking into getting a rainproof wading jacket. What is everyone using and how do you like it?

Hi Dan, I’ve got the Orvis No-Sweat Wading jacket and I like it! It’s made out of the same stuff the Orvis No-Sweat waders are. The outer fabric is brushed microfiber, the inside is mesh. Comes in a sage green color. The hood is adjustable for length, allows peripheral vision, has a good bill, allows you to tighten it up close or loosen it and the hood turns when you turn. No more looking into the side of the hood when you turn your head. It has adjustable wrist seals and a drawstring waist that you can tighten from inside the hand-warmer pockets which are located behind the two large outer pockets. D-ring on back for your net. The whole jacket will stuff into the front right pocket. Hang it up, or put it right on, and the wrinkles fall right out of it in a few minutes. I used it in the salt for the first time about two weeks ago and it worked great. Hiked around a bunch in it and stayed comfy. I did get wet inside the jacket once because I didn’t seal the waist with the drawstring and a wave hit me and scooted up the inside (brrrrr). Only did that once, learned my leasson real quick. Real happy with it so far. Price is $195, though the Orvis company stores have it on sale right now for ~ $156. Don’t know how long that lower price will be good – real unusual to have Orvis fishing equipment on sale this time of year. Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I’ve been wearing the Streamline and I’m relatively pleased with it. The fit is good, front pockets could be a little higher, hood is good, and is cut large enough for casting, stretching, etc. — Best regards, Dave Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides Home Page http://www.olfart.com

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I love Filson stuff It will last you a life time of that I’m sure. yes it would be some what heavy, I would like to have a Filson if I was fishing in alot of brush you would be hard pressed to tear it. I wouldn’t think a lite weight jacket would live up to much over time. Now I do know a guy that has both one a Filson and a Simms gortex, The lite weight one will pack up in to a smaller size. As for the one that will work for you I’m sure that will depend on how and where you fish. For me it would be the Filson If I’m going to spend that much for a jacket I want it to last. Eric

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I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them. — Tim Apple

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I don’t have either of the wading jackets that you mentioned, but I can attest to the quality of the Filson product line. I have a couple of their luggage bags and I extensively use their rod and reel travel bag. I carry three reels, two fly boxes and two rod tubes in the travel bag all of the time. I have never had a problem with the Filson products in the years that I’ve used them. Now that you’ve remined me that they have a wading jacket, I have something to put on my wish list from Santa. Ryan -who lives a few miles from their factory in Seattle.

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I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them.

I’ve got the Filson jacket and it’s as Ryan says below — their stuff is pretty much bulletproof. However, you should also keep in mind that their gear kicks it old-school (as flyfishing rappers like to say). Which is to say that even though their wading jacket is very tough and pretty much impregnable to rain, it breathes about as well as Darth Vader. You’ll end up sweating a lot and then getting chilled because of it since the sweat has nowhere to go. That’s my experience anyway. Keeping it real, – Sid

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I like filson stuff, but it tends to be heavy…I’ve abandoned my Filson vest for a Simms vest I’m much happier with…for camping though, I use their tin pants and an oil cloth jacket as well and I love them. If I were buying a wading jacket today, I would go light-weight. Eugene Knapik Toronto

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them. I’ve got the Filson jacket and it’s as Ryan says below — their stuff is pretty much bulletproof. However, you should also keep in mind that their gear kicks it old-school (as flyfishing rappers like to say). Which is to say that even though their wading jacket is very tough and pretty much impregnable to rain, it breathes about as well as Darth Vader. You’ll end up sweating a lot and then getting chilled because of it since the sweat has nowhere to go. That’s my experience anyway. Keeping it real, – Sid

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Hi, I have a Filson Cruiser which I have bought sometime in the late 1960’s. Based on my experience with the wool jacket, a great product, I later bought a Filson fishing hat. The hat however was totally unacceptable and I threw it out. It was made of oiled canvas and I found it to be much too heavy and much too hot. I am not familiar with the wading jacket but if it is made of the same material, I would think twice about buying it. Best regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in the process of choosing between the wilson creek or filson wading jacket, has anyone used either. If so could you let me know what you think of them. — Tim Apple

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Using streamers

Using streamers

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Beats the hell out of nymphing IMHO. …unless its being done at the Pixie Motel, eh?

and they’ve changed the sheets. thanks for the advice peter. in passing the winter with wooly bugger hi-jinks on the watauga, i’v noticed that when drifting and twitching the fly, most of my fish took just as the bugger finished its "u" and started upstream. btw…it’s good to know that the big belly i get naturally in my casts is good for something other than challenging my drift and mending abilities… jeff

That’s the hot corner. Most of my fish come from that turn. The fly slows down as it heads upstream, just like a natural. They often pursue it across the base of the U and only hit it on the turn. The across stream turn also is a good spot as well since it gives the fly the appearance of a fleeing minnow. yup, big bellies are good for something after all. I keep telling SWMBO that all the time. Peter

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Well of course, they are discerning fish. :) Peter

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<PC wrote Beats the hell out of nymphing IMHO. …unless its being done at the Pixie Motel, eh?

speaking of the Pixie…. I have "discovered" an institution within shouting distance of the Pixie that has the best damn bbq sandwhiches up here in the High Country. They also serve grits waldo

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<snipped info on streamers Excellent info Peter. Was a good reminder for not limiting myself to just one method. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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speaking of the Pixie…. I have "discovered" an institution within shouting distance of the Pixie that has the best damn bbq sandwhiches up here in the High Country. They also serve grits

The Pixie Motel, bbq sandwiches, grits? You’re making me try harder to work this trip in. OBROFF: I’ve come across a little rainbow trout version of the Clouser minnow. I’m tying a few #4’s to send for the clave raffle if I can’t bring ‘em myself. Haven’t tried them yet, but it seems a good idea. Joe F.

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Nice post Peter, What’s you favorite book on fishing streamers? Seems like there are hundreds of books on fishing nymphs & drys but I can’t see to find a good book on fishing techniques with streamers. Thanks, Sol

I only have one, its been out of print for years and it’s not tat great. You’re right, there aren’t many. The local shop just got one in but I forget the title. I’m hoping for Father’s Day so I didn’t paw it too much. I’ll see if I can get the title, Mastering the Streamer rings a bell. Peter

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For a book on streamer fishing, the classic is Bates’ Streamer Fly Tying and Fishing, which now has a new edition by the author’s daughter. One point worth mentioning about movement: Any fly hanging in the current will be perceived by the fish as "moving." George

I agree and they look good but I don’t pick up many strikes this way. Something to be worked on. Peter

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The penny dropped. Modern Streamers for Trophy Trout by Galloup & Linsenman Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some of the guys saw me use the cross current mend in NC. Cast directly across stream then make a bit downstream mend, producing a big belly of line. Point the mend at any structure you want to fish. As the current drags the belly, it’ll accelerate the fly downstream then across stream, then upstream. The fly runs a "U" pattern across the stream. Throw in a few strips to add movement. Keep in mind that a fleeing minnow will head downstream or across stream rather than up as a big fish has the advantage going upstream. Don’t worry about hookups with all that belly, the browns whack the fly so hard they hook themselves half the time. It’s a real hoot watching the swirl made by a charging brown as he takes the shallow running fly.

I use this method very often, in fact almost all the times with excellent result on sea trout that range from 2.5 to 5.5 pounds. I have seen numerous times these big trouts race for the fly for 30 ft. I fish in very clear water with streamer ranging in size from 2 to 5 inches long. Not too bad on atlantic salmon too. One move I make is when my line is thight in the current, I move my arm from front to rear thus giving a 3 feet motion to the fly. This seem to drive the fish crazy and when they hit, your arm stop as if you hit a rock. — Carol Dugas Caplan Quebec Canada

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Willi’s post got me thinking that a little fishing info posted to this group couldn’t hurt. We all have our favourite methods and I’d rate dries on a small stream as my tops, streamers in big water second, swing wets third and nymphing dead last. Ken will attest that me and nymphing don’t get along. There’s often discussion here about dries and nymphing but preciously little about streamer methods. So here’s 2 cents worth, (CDN.) To state the obvious, streamers imitate small forage fish so they have to be presented in that manner. Most streamer patterns need movement to change their profile to a small fish imitation. At rest, they are too broad to effectively imitate anything. Stripping is the obvious choice to keep a streamer moving, but with the right mending the current can be used as well. I use four methods; standard down and across swing, cross current mend, straight strip, and deep dead drift. Pretty well everyone is familiar with the quartering downstream "down and across" but some of the others don’t get much print. Some of the guys saw me use the cross current mend in NC. Cast directly across stream then make a bit downstream mend, producing a big belly of line. Point the mend at any structure you want to fish. As the current drags the belly, it’ll accelerate the fly downstream then across stream, then upstream. The fly runs a "U" pattern across the stream. Throw in a few strips to add movement. Keep in mind that a fleeing minnow will head downstream or across stream rather than up as a big fish has the advantage going upstream. Don’t worry about hookups with all that belly, the browns whack the fly so hard they hook themselves half the time. It’s a real hoot watching the swirl made by a charging brown as he takes the shallow running fly. The straight strip is very commonly used in drift boats and guides often call it "spanking the bank" but you can use it wading too. As Willi pointed out, big fish often can be up tight in shallow water against the bank or rocks. I caught a beauty last year on my cane using one of my mini patterns just inches from the bank doing this. Cast directly across stream, a few feet upstream of where you expect the big guy to be holding, wait a bit for the fly to sink and drift toward him, then when it seems about right, strip the hell out of the fly. To the fish, it looks like a drifting minnow has suddenly spotted him and is now boogying out. Talk about ringing the dinner bell. The last method, the dead drift, needs a weighted streamer pattern that has a natural profile at rest; like the Joe Penich’s Niagara Smelt shown on my site. Wounded minnows are often swept along the bottom of runs so there’s no reason why we can’t do the same. Using a fast sinking, sinktip line, cast upstream at the top of a deep run. Put in a big upstream mend to help sink the fly. As the fly approaches directly across from you, pull in the slack and hang on. If you don’t get a hit, then put in a couple of sharp strips as the fly begins to swing. That gives a fish the impression that the wounded minnow is still alive but in it’s death throes. Beats the hell out of nymphing IMHO. Good luck Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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<snip very good stuff Though you mentioned it in passing, I feel a need to stress that one of the very best things about streamers (especially as compared to nymphs) is that there is rarely any doubt at all about the strike! More often than not I don’t have time to set the hook when a fish takes a streamer. That’s o.k. though because the fish generally does the job for you. Trout take streamers below the surface the way they do hoppers on top; they smack them HARD! How about favorite patterns Peter? The Muddler Minnow and the Woolly Bugger (please, those who don’t think of the WB as a streamer, spare me!) hardly need mentioning as their popularity is nearly universal, though I have never been fond of muddlers myself. The Hornberg Special is probably my all time favorite and, naturally, best producer, with a hair wing Royal Coachman a distant second. Mickey Finns, Gray and Black Ghosts and my own variations on the Thunder Creek series have also been very good producers.

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Trout take streamers below the surface the way they do hoppers on top; they smack them HARD!

Ya, I watched a brown take three shots at one of my minis. Gotta hookup on the third. Nearly as good as a dry. How about favorite patterns Peter? The Muddler Minnow and the Woolly Bugger (please, those who don’t think of the WB as a streamer, spare me!) hardly need mentioning as their popularity is nearly universal, though I have never been fond of muddlers myself. The Hornberg Special is probably my all time favorite and, naturally, best producer, with a hair wing Royal Coachman a distant second. Mickey Finns, Gray and Black Ghosts and my own variations on the Thunder Creek series have also been very good producers.

I’ve always been partial to Mickey’s for landlocks, brookies and smallmouth. I’ve also taken my fair share of smallies on wooolly buggers and and muddlers too. I like to experiment with patterns and one of my most productive to date has been Joe’s Niagara Smelt. I’ve also had very good luck with steelhead and salmon on my Rainbow Smelt. For browns, my mini and the "Little Trout" series have been the best. I’ve never fished the Hornberg or the hair wing Coachman. I’ll have to give them a try. Peter

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Try White WB’s sometime. Idon’t know why white, but trout will destru this color Wb in lakes.

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I’ve never fished the Hornberg or the hair wing Coachman. I’ll have to give them a try.

I’ll be bringing some Hornbergs to the clave. Will begin tying them up tonight. :)

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Try White WB’s sometime. Idon’t know why white, but trout will destru this color Wb in lakes.

Yup. I was introduced to cone head white woollies by Gary from Atlanta. They work wonders with smallies too. Peter

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Wolfthing writes: I’ll be bringing some Hornbergs to the clave. Will begin tying them up tonight. :)

Sounds kinky to me, Wolfthing. You’re gonna fit in real nicely with the NC contingent. d;0) Dave LaCourse

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Willi’s post got me thinking that a little fishing info posted to this group couldn’t hurt. We all have our favourite methods and I’d rate dries on a small stream as my tops, streamers in big water second, swing wets third and nymphing dead last. Ken will attest that me and nymphing don’t get along. There’s often discussion here about dries and nymphing but preciously little about streamer methods. So here’s 2 cents worth, (CDN.) To state the obvious, streamers imitate small forage fish so they have to be presented in that manner. Most streamer patterns need movement to change their profile to a small fish imitation. At rest, they are too broad to effectively imitate anything. Stripping is the obvious choice to keep a streamer moving, but with the right mending the current can be used as well. I use four methods; standard down and across swing, cross current mend, straight strip, and deep dead drift. Pretty well everyone is familiar with the quartering downstream "down and across" but some of the others don’t get much print. Some of the guys saw me use the cross current mend in NC. Cast directly across stream then make a bit downstream mend, producing a big belly of line. Point the mend at any structure you want to fish. As the current drags the belly, it’ll accelerate the fly downstream then across stream, then upstream. The fly runs a "U" pattern across the stream. Throw in a few strips to add movement. Keep in mind that a fleeing minnow will head downstream or across stream rather than up as a big fish has the advantage going upstream. Don’t worry about hookups with all that belly, the browns whack the fly so hard they hook themselves half the time. It’s a real hoot watching the swirl made by a charging brown as he takes the shallow running fly. The straight strip is very commonly used in drift boats and guides often call it "spanking the bank" but you can use it wading too. As Willi pointed out, big fish often can be up tight in shallow water against the bank or rocks. I caught a beauty last year on my cane using one of my mini patterns just inches from the bank doing this. Cast directly across stream, a few feet upstream of where you expect the big guy to be holding, wait a bit for the fly to sink and drift toward him, then when it seems about right, strip the hell out of the fly. To the fish, it looks like a drifting minnow has suddenly spotted him and is now boogying out. Talk about ringing the dinner bell. The last method, the dead drift, needs a weighted streamer pattern that has a natural profile at rest; like the Joe Penich’s Niagara Smelt shown on my site. Wounded minnows are often swept along the bottom of runs so there’s no reason why we can’t do the same. Using a fast sinking, sinktip line, cast upstream at the top of a deep run. Put in a big upstream mend to help sink the fly. As the fly approaches directly across from you, pull in the slack and hang on. If you don’t get a hit, then put in a couple of sharp strips as the fly begins to swing. That gives a fish the impression that the wounded minnow is still alive but in it’s death throes. Beats the hell out of nymphing IMHO.

…unless its being done at the Pixie Motel, eh? thanks for the advice peter. in passing the winter with wooly bugger hi-jinks on the watauga, i’v noticed that when drifting and twitching the fly, most of my fish took just as the bugger finished its "u" and started upstream. btw…it’s good to know that the big belly i get naturally in my casts is good for something other than challenging my drift and mending abilities… jeff

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I make ‘em out of sparkle, pearl, chenille with some kind of flash in the white marabou tail. silver and brass bead heads. Killer on spring smallmouth here in Ohio…..but this seems to be a spring/early summer color. Summer sees the green, blue, yellow……punk rocker colors. In the fall, those hmmmm, Colonial Williamsburg colors are effective, darker browns, greens and blacks…. smallmouth have always seemed a little fashion and style – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try White WB’s sometime. Idon’t know why white, but trout will destru this color Wb in lakes. Yup. I was introduced to cone head white woollies by Gary from Atlanta. They work wonders with smallies too. Peter

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Suggestions/hints for trip Chicago/Halifax,NS

Suggestions/hints for trip Chicago/Halifax,NS

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Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to stay with family. From there, our course is open to suggestions. If anyone has any hints to share, they would be appreciated. I know enough to have the following questions: – is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible, or would it be preferred to go north of the border? (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada) – are there any places I should avoid or places I should be sure to see? – I have a CANPASS, but is zigzagging back and forth across the border going to give me problems? – where can I get Canadian Charts/approach plates along the way? I have all NOAA VFR charts and Jepp charts for the first half of the trip and for Maine, but the Maine charts don’t go as far as Halifax. Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences. roman

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Very good idea to go to halifax. I have been there last year one month before the crash at Peggy’s cove. We rented a small car and went down to Mahone bay, Lunenberg and small fishing port including Peggy’s cove. With your Cherokee you can fly to Ottawa for a fuel stop and see the Canadian aviation museum. From there fly direct to Quebec city. There at Aero Boutik they have all the maps you will need. If you want to make a stop there there is many very good restaurants in the old Quebec. The fuel is at .90$ a liter in canadian $. It means about .60$US and if you change the liter to US gals it makes about $2.50 a gall + or -. After a visit to Quebec city (you can spend as long as 2 weeks there and you will still have a lot of things to see.) You can fly direct to Halifax, it is a 3 hours ride when flying over Maine. You will not have to report for customs there because you take off in Canada and land in Canada. I made it several times. Another thing that you can do is flying from Halifax to the Magdalen Island. It is another very nice spot. But be careful because it is generally loaded with visitors. A couple of days there would be OK. You need to make a reservation for hotels. Hotel Bellevue is the right spot. I also have a Cherokee 140 and like to fly in New England. On the way back you go directly in Maine at cities like Camden, Lincolnville, Bar harbor to eat their lobster. You can go to DiMillo’s restaurant in Portland. This is the spot for a good lobster club sandwich. If you have the time you can go down a little more and fly to Westerly R.I. and have a look to the beach there. After it will be the time to fly back home. Have a good trip Bernard C-FXAO and C-YAN

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: problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the : maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the : Canada Flight Supplement). There is a flying school on the south side at Oshawa (the number I mentioned previously) that has Toronto and Montreal, but I wouldn’t bet on more than that. (I don’t know about the north side, should go look some day:-) You might want to get the charts via mail order before you leave. Sporty’s has them (but are a bit pricey). A place called VIP Pilot Centre has same day delivery. Their number is 1-800-361-1696. (If that # doesn’t work, they are in St. Hubert, Quebec.) Enjoy the trip, rick

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Thanks to all for the helpful suggestions. We are planning to leave tomorrow and go through Buttonville where the nice people at the Prop Shop have promised to have all my charts waiting. Once again – thanks to all. roman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the : maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the : Canada Flight Supplement). There is a flying school on the south side at Oshawa (the number I mentioned previously) that has Toronto and Montreal, but I wouldn’t bet on more than that. (I don’t know about the north side, should go look some day:-) You might want to get the charts via mail order before you leave. Sporty’s has them (but are a bit pricey). A place called VIP Pilot Centre has same day delivery. Their number is 1-800-361-1696. (If that # doesn’t work, they are in St. Hubert, Quebec.) Enjoy the trip, rick

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– is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible, or would it be preferred to go north of the border? (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada)

Nope, marginally more expensive, and not even that, sometimes. Avgas in southern Canada seems to usually work out to between $2.25 and $2.50 per gallon; call ahead and avoid any suprises, like *no* fuel. No reason not to go as north as you can if you don’t get that way too often.

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maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the

Oops, I believe that’s Moncton VNC not Halifax (charts are in the plane!)

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: Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a : week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee : from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). : The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to : stay with family. From there, our course is open : to suggestions. I’ve never gone there by air, but the beaches on the north shore of PEI are very nice. If you are interested in aviation fun while at Oshawa, you can get a ride in a Harvard (T-6), optionally including aerobatics. (Or Tiger Moth or Waco… their number is 905-720-2831.) Have a nice trip, rick

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I planned a trip to Halifax (Sydney actually) from Toronto earlier this year but never made it because of the weather. In my Cherokee 140 w/ 50 gal tanks, I picked St. Georges or Sherbrooke as intermediate stopping points. I think you can fly almost direct from Oshawa and stay in Canadian airspace. There is an MOA near the Maine/Quebec border that you should get NOTAMs on. CANPASS is very friendly, easy to use and convenient. You should have no problems. I think there is a pilot shop in Oshawa where you can purchase the maps (you’ll need the Toronto, Montreal and Halifax VNCs as well as the Canada Flight Supplement). As you near Toronto Class C airspace from Chicago, the controllers will appreciate it if you stay about a mile south of the shoreline as Pearson uses Rwy 26 most of the time. Give Toronto City Centre a call as you approach their Class D and they will probably let you do a circuit around the CN tower if you’re interested on your way to Oshawa. Niagra is also a pleasant detour (check the air regs first if you intend to go). Let me know how your first leg goes. I’m planning on flying down to Chicago in October. /Sung FYI — I think Fredericton NB is the only airport around there that charges landing/terminal fees and should be avoided if you want to minimize costs.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to stay with family. From there, our course is open to suggestions. If anyone has any hints to share, they would be appreciated. I know enough to have the following questions: – is it better to stay in the U.S. as long a possible, or would it be preferred to go north of the border? (I assume that fuel is much more expensive in Canada) – are there any places I should avoid or places I should be sure to see? – I have a CANPASS, but is zigzagging back and forth across the border going to give me problems? – where can I get Canadian Charts/approach plates along the way? I have all NOAA VFR charts and Jepp charts for the first half of the trip and for Maine, but the Maine charts don’t go as far as Halifax. Thanks in advance for sharing your experiences. roman

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On the way back you go directly in Maine at cities like Camden, Lincolnville, Bar harbor to eat their lobster.

bar harbor: cottage street bakery and deli. the best bakery i’ve yet found. MAN are those pies ever good! whale watching out of bar harbor is pretty good too, though if you’re prone to seasickness you’d better not do it right after CSB&D… for us, canadian customs at halifax were a snap. in fact, all the canadian customs were friendly, businesslike, and quick. the US guys gave us more trouble, but nothing like the horror stories you hear. — rw "By filing this ‘Bug Report’ you have challenged the honor of my family. Prepare to die!" – from "Things Likely To Be Overheard If You Had A Klingon Programmer"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Saturday morning my wife and I are leaving for a week of vacation in which I intend to fly our Cherokee from Chicago to Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada). The first day we need to get to Oshawa, Ontario to stay with family. From there, our course is open to suggestions. If anyone has any hints to share, they would be appreciated.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » July Tarpon Report Florida Panhandle

July Tarpon Report Florida Panhandle

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Not much of a report actually, Kathy . I think you were going for something like SPAM. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "Lie ? Me ? Never! No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun !" – Captain Hook

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Would be nice to know where you are talking about in the Florida Panhandle. Destin? Port St. Joe? ….other?

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This past month has been HOT! HOT! HOT! Not only record temperature-wise but the Tarpon have been here in very large numbers. They have been cruising through AND laying up in the bay, great opportunities for both Fly fisherman and Plug Casters alike. Some days this month we have had up to 35 shots at Tarpon on Fly, with a respectable hook up ratio. Though we have been after the Tarpon since early May, barring unforeseen weather (the "H" word) we plan on fishing for them into September. Tarpon aren’t the only fish to grace our waters this time of year either. We have seen huge schools of Black Drum, some nice sized Redfish, Tripletail, Sharks, Cobia, Jack Crevalle and other reef fish. For more details and information please email me direct or call me at 850-653-8896. Thanks! Kathy Robinson

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Without Catch and Release; Fishing will not stand!

Without Catch and Release; Fishing will not stand!

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thanks for clarifying those aspects of your post I didn’t quite grasp re: comets. here in rainy BC we don’t get to see the sky much! Ralph H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : : So? Why don’t you show the kind of guts we’ve shown in BC and enact : : regulations that reduce the level of pressure on those rivers; those rivers : : belong to the residents of those states! Check out the regs for BC rivers : : like the Dean! Non-residents have to pay more; they have to use a guide : : they may have to enter a lottery for a right to fish – : : : and yes I support the use of lottery entrance where the demand for access : : exceeds the resources capacity! : : : Ralph, IMHO, lottery and fee based restrictions you advocate run contrary to : many of the arguments you made in your post. These methods will result in : only the elite getting access, because the non-elite cannot afford guides and : expensive fees for a few hours of fishing. : Whoever the elite are? Is a fellow who hires a guide for 2 days on the : SanJuan but never at any other point in the year a member of the elite? Are : your own irrational prejudices showing through? Personally I have never : hired a guide. I have, made me feel elite and I did not necessarily like it. Point is that the outfitters do create limits on access to the people not wishing to spend that kind of money. : Personally I would have no problem with paying more for a licence than I do : now or paying a stream fee that is reasonable and doesn’t make it impossible : for most fishers to enjoy a good number of days on the water. Neither do I. I do not mind if the access is equally open to all of us, however the local outfitters are capable of and frequently do consume all the access available on private-fee fisheries and thus make the effective cost much,much higher. That prices the opportunity out of reach for most. : My point is: Tim and yourself seem obsessed with the problems of a few : waters. To solve that problem they would radically alter our access to all : waters and even more radically alter how we act on them; force us to kill, : force us to be instruments of harvest and not sportsmen. I do not, nor have I ever advocated **forcing** anyone to kill. I limit my kill to as low a level as I can. I have not consumed a trout for food in as long as I can remember. I advocate allowing limited harvest rather than pure C&R. I thought my post had made that clear. : I argue it is possible to regulate waters such as this individually to : reduce the problem and force anglers to spread out but overall maintain : general access and a pluralistic approach to harvest issues that allow : individuals to follow a variety of viewpoints. This is precisely what I meant to say, only I argue that pure C&R is not the only approach and in most cases, it is unjustifyable. : If you don’t like it any more give it up and take up bird watching! Thanks, but I prefer comets. — Hewlett Packard, ESL R&D, MS55 Ft. Collins, CO 80525

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: : : So? Why don’t you show the kind of guts we’ve shown in BC and enact : : regulations that reduce the level of pressure on those rivers; those rivers : : belong to the residents of those states! Check out the regs for BC rivers : : like the Dean! Non-residents have to pay more; they have to use a guide : : they may have to enter a lottery for a right to fish – : : : and yes I support the use of lottery entrance where the demand for access : : exceeds the resources capacity! : : : Ralph, IMHO, lottery and fee based restrictions you advocate run contrary to : many of the arguments you made in your post. These methods will result in : only the elite getting access, because the non-elite cannot afford guides and : expensive fees for a few hours of fishing. : Whoever the elite are? Is a fellow who hires a guide for 2 days on the : SanJuan but never at any other point in the year a member of the elite? Are : your own irrational prejudices showing through? Personally I have never : hired a guide. I have, made me feel elite and I did not necessarily like it. Point is that the outfitters do create limits on access to the people not wishing to spend that kind of money. : Personally I would have no problem with paying more for a licence than I do : now or paying a stream fee that is reasonable and doesn’t make it impossible : for most fishers to enjoy a good number of days on the water. Neither do I. I do not mind if the access is equally open to all of us, however the local outfitters are capable of and frequently do consume all the access available on private-fee fisheries and thus make the effective cost much,much higher. That prices the opportunity out of reach for most. : My point is: Tim and yourself seem obsessed with the problems of a few : waters. To solve that problem they would radically alter our access to all : waters and even more radically alter how we act on them; force us to kill, : force us to be instruments of harvest and not sportsmen. I do not, nor have I ever advocated **forcing** anyone to kill. I limit my kill to as low a level as I can. I have not consumed a trout for food in as long as I can remember. I advocate allowing limited harvest rather than pure C&R. I thought my post had made that clear. : I argue it is possible to regulate waters such as this individually to : reduce the problem and force anglers to spread out but overall maintain : general access and a pluralistic approach to harvest issues that allow : individuals to follow a variety of viewpoints. This is precisely what I meant to say, only I argue that pure C&R is not the only approach and in most cases, it is unjustifyable. : If you don’t like it any more give it up and take up bird watching! Thanks, but I prefer comets. — Hewlett Packard, ESL R&D, MS55 Ft. Collins, CO 80525

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here in the northern Sweden I’m not obliged to release the browns, graylings or char I catch. I’ll do it anyway, out of respect of nature Hans, I am afraid that you too have been lulled in to believing that the disrespect of hooking nature in the face with a hook can be mitigated by its release. This ‘respect of nature’ argument is the most ludicrous and hypocritical reason for pure C&R that I can think of. If you *truly* respected our wild friends, you would *not* fish for them, you would leave them alone, would you not ? Respectfully, — TimW Halfordian Golfer

No Tim, I haven’t been lulled into anything. It’s a personal belief that has grown and matured during my 20 years of flyfishing. If C&R is done properly, i.e without touching the fish when possible and reducing the time of the fight, it beats the hell out of C&K. You’re right about one thing – it is best to leave them alone. Knocking everything you catch on the head is however both much more disrespectful to the pray than letting them go, and is simply a practise that belongs to the past. Sincerely, Hans Edman, Umea, Sweden

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Hans – You can’t seriously debate with someone who *screams* about how heinous it is to scar a fish’s face and then let it go, but who freely admits to dragging fish around on a stringer while float-tubing because it keeps them fresh. Hell, use of a priest to euthanize the fish would be much *more* respectful and considerate than that. The *only* thing important to this guy is to go on feeling good about his right to kill fish when and wherever he wants. Don’t waste your breath treating with him or your time thinking he has a coherent point to argue. Only day before yesterday, Tim W said: ….and now I’m movin’ on…you either get it or you don’t…

And this, in debate terms, is called ‘begging the question’. I rest my case. and then said: No more C&R diatribe from me…

QED I am only trying to clue you in because I don’t recall seeing your name on posts before (forgive me if I am mistaken). I am probably rash in posting this, because, as you may have observed, we’ve been trying to shut debate on this topic down for a while (and maybe drop the animosity level a notch or two). May work, may not. Here’s hoping. — Lon Hall Applied Intelligence Group, Inc. Home #: (405)359-1556 Work #: (405)936-2389 "Eat the rich. The poor are tough and stringy."

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Lon Hall writes: Hans – You can’t seriously debate with someone who *screams* about how heinous it is to scar a fish’s face and then let it go, but who freely admits to dragging fish around on a stringer while float-tubing because it keeps them fresh. Hell, use of a priest to euthanize the fish would be much *more* respectful and considerate than that. The *only* thing important to this guy is to go on feeling good about his right to kill fish when and wherever he wants. Don’t waste your breath treating with him or your time thinking he has a coherent point to argue.

(snip) I am only trying to clue you in because I don’t recall seeing your name on posts before (forgive me if I am mistaken). I am probably rash in posting this, because, as you may have observed, we’ve been trying to shut debate on this topic down for a while (and maybe drop the animosity level a notch or two).

Thanks Lon, for dropping the animosity level down a notch or two. jim

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Well spoken, Ralph! Here in the northern Sweden I’m not obliged to release the browns, graylings or char I catch. I’ll do it anyway, out of respect of nature Hans, I am afraid that you too have been lulled in to believing that the disrespect of hooking nature in the face with a hook can be mitigated by its release. This ‘respect of nature’ argument is the most ludicrous and hypocritical reason for pure C&R that I can think of. If you *truly* respected our wild friends, you would *not* fish for them, you would leave them alone, would you not ?

Sounds like your argument is "If you hook it, kill it – otherwise don’t fish". Gee, I sure hope you never lose control of a cast and end up hooking yourself. "Yipes! Hooked myself! Better go shoot myself now…" <BANG! <thud (I can see the obituary page now – "Catch and Kill Fisherman Was True To His Sport". :-) If I followed that logic where I fish most often I’d soon be out of fish. It’s a small pond that probably has only a dozen or so good-sized bass in it. If I killed each one I caught there wouldn’t be many left now, so I put ‘em back after I catch ‘em. My point is that what’s correct for you may not be correct for others in different situations, and vice versa. Ah well, diff’rent strokes and all… — Bob Jarvis Mail addresses hacked to foil automailers! Remove ‘_spamless’ from reply address

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well spoken, Ralph! Here in the northern Sweden I’m not obliged to release the browns, graylings or char I catch. I’ll do it anyway, out of respect of nature Hans, I am afraid that you too have been lulled in to believing that the disrespect of hooking nature in the face with a hook can be mitigated by its release. This ‘respect of nature’ argument is the most ludicrous and hypocritical reason for pure C&R that I can think of. If you *truly* respected our wild friends, you would *not* fish for them, you would leave them alone, would you not ? Respectfully, — TimW Halfordian Golfer

TIM, IF YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU JUST WROTE THAN YOU SHOULD RESPECT THE FISH AND QUIT TRYING TO CATCH THEM OR ARE YOU JUST ANOTHER HYPOCRITE WHO LIKES TO HEAR HIMSELF PASS GAS. HARV

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip : – I WILL NOT ACCEPT BEING LABELLED AS A GREEDY PERSON BY SOMEONE : WHOSE AVOWED INTENTION IS TO ENACT RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT : LIMIT FISHING OPPORTUNITIES TO A FEW SO HIS PLEASURE IS IMPEDED BY : THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE POSSIBLE! : You are out to enhance your pleasure at the expense of the pleasure of : others! <snip Tim, correct me if I am wrong…. I is my understanding from reading Tim’s posts, that he does not oppose releasing a fish… But rather opposes the existence of *pure* C&R fisheries. Pure C&R fisheries lead to many evils, scarred & damaged fish, unusuall

Tim has certainly stated clearly that by lottery or by some enforced c&k regulation on all waters he wants to see fishing pressure reduced to the minimum number of anglers per mile. he has been all over the map on how to do this but Tim clearly has a prejudice against others who use the waters in ways he does not favour and will stoop to all sorts of regulations etc to get them off so he can enjoy his sport on his terms at their expense. : So? Why don’t you show the kind of guts we’ve shown in BC and enact : regulations that reduce the level of pressure on those rivers; those rivers : belong to the residents of those states! Check out the regs for BC rivers : like the Dean! Non-residents have to pay more; they have to use a guide : they may have to enter a lottery for a right to fish – : and yes I support the use of lottery entrance where the demand for access : exceeds the resources capacity! Ralph, IMHO, lottery and fee based restrictions you advocate run contrary to many of the arguments you made in your post. These methods will result in only the elite getting access, because the non-elite cannot afford guides and expensive fees for a few hours of fishing.

Whoever the elite are? Is a fellow who hires a guide for 2 days on the SanJuan but never at any other point in the year a member of the elite? Are your own irrational prejudices showing through? Personally I have never hired a guide. Personally I would have no problem with paying more for a licence than I do now or paying a stream fee that is reasonable and doesn’t make it impossible for most fishers to enjoy a good number of days on the water. My point is: Tim and yourself seem obsessed with the problems of a few waters. To solve that problem they would radically alter our access to all waters and even more radically alter how we act on them; force us to kill, force us to be instruments of harvest and not sportsmen. I argue it is possible to regulate waters such as this individually to reduce the problem and force anglers to spread out but overall maintain general access and a pluralistic approach to harvest issues that allow individuals to follow a variety of viewpoints. After jousting with Don Quixote for a number of months I still don’t know what his bottom line is or what he is really after. I find increasingly I am dealing with a point of view that is self righteous, closed minded, hypocritical, sees the resource and the sport as exclusively for those that share the point of view and shifts and gets more radical as one finds legitimate criticism of it’s basic proposals. I also find it is a point of view that assumes it has a sort of papal infallability and is beyond criticism. just look at his response to the criticism of his use of stringers. Any level of agony inflicted on fish is justified as long as he is the one who is inflicting it! Because he eats the catch he has given himself carte blanche to something approaching sadism. If you don’t like it any more give it up and take up bird watching! Ralph H – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Hewlett Packard, ESL R&D, MS55 Ft. Collins, CO 80525

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Well spoken, Ralph! Here in the northern Sweden I’m not obliged to release the browns, graylings or char I catch. I’ll do it anyway, out of respect of nature

Hans, I am afraid that you too have been lulled in to believing that the disrespect of hooking nature in the face with a hook can be mitigated by its release. This ‘respect of nature’ argument is the most ludicrous and hypocritical reason for pure C&R that I can think of. If you *truly* respected our wild friends, you would *not* fish for them, you would leave them alone, would you not ? Respectfully, — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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<snip : – I WILL NOT ACCEPT BEING LABELLED AS A GREEDY PERSON BY SOMEONE : WHOSE AVOWED INTENTION IS TO ENACT RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT : LIMIT FISHING OPPORTUNITIES TO A FEW SO HIS PLEASURE IS IMPEDED BY : THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE POSSIBLE! : You are out to enhance your pleasure at the expense of the pleasure of : others! <snip Tim, correct me if I am wrong…. I is my understanding from reading Tim’s posts, that he does not oppose releasing a fish… But rather opposes the existence of *pure* C&R fisheries. Pure C&R fisheries lead to many evils, scarred & damaged fish, unusually crowded and overfished stretches of rivers, and the threat of PETA attacking our sport. We could change the regulation to a slot limit on most pure C&R fisheries without diminishing the fish significantly and then allow the taking of the older, scarred up fish. This *for me* would much improve the fishing experience because I personally do not like catching torn up scarred up fish like you find consistently in the locations listed below.

: There is no quality of experience left in the following pure C&R waters: : The San Juan below Navajo Dam. The Frying Pan below Reudi. : The Green below Flaming Gorge. The Uncompaghre below Ridgway. : The South Platte (God rest her soul) below Cheesman canyon. : If you think that pure C&R has enhanced your experience in these : places then you will never ever understand the truth. : So? Why don’t you show the kind of guts we’ve shown in BC and enact : regulations that reduce the level of pressure on those rivers; those rivers : belong to the residents of those states! Check out the regs for BC rivers : like the Dean! Non-residents have to pay more; they have to use a guide : they may have to enter a lottery for a right to fish – : and yes I support the use of lottery entrance where the demand for access : exceeds the resources capacity! We already have a few lottery situations in the regulations of hunting. I believe this will ultimately become a necessary solution if the popularity of fishing continues to increase at the rate we have seen in the past few years. While I would not like the restriction of access at all, I would enjoy the fishing experience much more assuming the lottery is fairly administered. This however will not happen because the outfitters will demand an unfair share of the access to maintain their businesses. Ralph, IMHO, lottery and fee based restrictions you advocate run contrary to many of the arguments you made in your post. These methods will result in only the elite getting access, because the non-elite cannot afford guides and expensive fees for a few hours of fishing. Also, *I believe* lottery systems will unfairly favor the guides who will find ways to obtain more than their fair share of access permits to further their business. You can argue that a lottery system already exists in this way…. First to a fishing hole gets the spot. The guides on many rivers in our area arrive very early (or have a paid flunky get there) and stake out the best fishing holes on the river. They bring their sports (elitists who have the bucks to hire a guide to grab and hold the best water) to these spots and stay there all day. You will find this happening alot on the Pan and So Platte. On the floatable rivers, the guides get more than their fair share for float permits, thus again limiting access to the elite. These are complex problems which will get nothing but worse as population increases in our area. I fish now and enjoy it very much, but I do not expect to fish nearly as much in the future as the quality of the experience continues to diminish with the pressure of multitudes. One can only hope that Hollywood does not make another movie about flyfishing. — Hewlett Packard, ESL R&D, MS55 Ft. Collins, CO 80525

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim, you should change your handle to Don Quioxte; you put so much effort into tilting at wind mills! TimW writes: The neighbor’s collie still craps on the lawn even after Eddie throws snowballs at it.. [snip] Your dog poop "thing" reminds me of a funny story: A friend went to complain to his neighbour about the neighbours dog crapping on his lawn. As they stood discussing the issue – of course the neighbour contested his dog would never do such a thing – the dog wandered over into my friends yard and dumped in plain sight of both of them. That’s exactly what’s happened here! You and many pure C&R-ers measure the ethical treatment of animals only by mortality studies. You do not consider that a wild animal in its element *deserves* a certain amount of respect. [snip] By your gut you refer to your stomach no doubt – your great arbitrator of ethical issues. If there is an ethical issue ( and you’ve never even tried to establish why there is one) it is far more complex than you make out – or even have attempted to comprehend; (Oh sorry Tim this may be an insult but then I’m just calling them as I see them – <BEG) The carnage of pure C&R is swept under the rug every month in the ff magazines and the entire industry is brainwashed into thinking that it is somehow OK to hurt a wild animal, just for fun. Whatever that carnage may be if it exists anywhere but in your imagination remains to be defined and exposed; get off your duff and do it - maybe I’ll come around to your point of view! [snip] You insist (greedily) that ‘quality fishing’ implies ONLY number of and size of fish. This is the part where YOUR dog craps on my lawn in plain sight of everyone who has a look; I made no such insistence; I usually choose less uncrowded waters populated with fewer fish to have some peace- BUT THAT IS MY CHOICE- I’m not out to stuff my choice down anyone’s throat. The fish I catch are often a pound or less when I could easily go elsewhere to catch pickup loads of fish bigger than you have ever seen. – I WILL NOT ACCEPT BEING LABELLED AS A GREEDY PERSON BY SOMEONE WHOSE AVOWED INTENTION IS TO ENACT RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT LIMIT FISHING OPPORTUNITIES TO A FEW SO HIS PLEASURE IS IMPEDED BY THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE POSSIBLE! You are out to enhance your pleasure at the expense of the pleasure of others! If that isn’t greed what is? Any greed associated with catch and release pales beside that old chum. You know Tim I hoped you could do better than these dreary ad hominium arguments – but perhaps you’ve picked up the habit from some my fellow c&r’ers who couldn’t do better either. There is no quality of experience left in the following pure C&R waters: The San Juan below Navajo Dam. The Frying Pan below Reudi. The Green below Flaming Gorge. The Uncompaghre below Ridgway. The South Platte (God rest her soul) below Cheesman canyon. If you think that pure C&R has enhanced your experience in these places then you will never ever understand the truth. So? Why don’t you show the kind of guts we’ve shown in BC and enact regulations that reduce the level of pressure on those rivers; those rivers belong to the residents of those states! Check out the regs for BC rivers like the Dean! Non-residents have to pay more; they have to use a guide they may have to enter a lottery for a right to fish – and yes I support the use of lottery entrance where the demand for access exceeds the resources capacity! But I will never support lottery access so some catch and kill elitists can get all the rivers to themselves, so they can kill a few fish but bar those who’d let them go! The very essence of the sport has to be that given a set of regulations the angler gets to choose how he pursues his sport. This was the meaning of Haig Browns "the Law Breaker" if we are forced to kill then we are only instruments of harvest not sports fishers. Someone actually argued against the position that fisheries management is about a balance of fish and having as few fishermen per mile Gee who was that? Ralph H TimW Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice. There is nothing we do when we lure a fish, hook it, play it, land and then release it that is not done with catch and kill. The experience of the fish is the same up until the point it is released! Then it is given a 90%+ chance of survival! Ninety percent or better that it will spawn and enhance the fish stock. Ninety percent or better that it will do the fishy things that make a fishes life worth while. That make our sport worth while. If we cave in to the hysterical and illogical forces that would restrict the catching and killing of fish to force of law and the chance of lottery we will strip the sport of its essence. We will be able to fish so seldom that most will hang their rods in shame and pursue other pastimes. For those that do continue to fish the mystery of fishing will be replaced by the certainty of a dead fish or two and a modest meal. Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

Harv

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Tim, you should change your handle to Don Quioxte; you put so much effort into tilting at wind mills! TimW writes:

The neighbor’s collie still craps on the lawn even after Eddie throws snowballs at it.. [snip] Your dog poop "thing" reminds me of a funny story: A friend went to complain to his neighbour about the neighbours dog crapping on his lawn. As they stood discussing the issue – of course the neighbour contested his dog would never do such a thing – the dog wandered over into my friends yard and dumped in plain sight of both of them. That’s exactly what’s happened here! You and many pure C&R-ers measure the ethical treatment of animals only by mortality studies. You do not consider that a wild animal in its element *deserves* a certain amount of respect. [snip] By your gut you refer to your stomach no doubt – your great arbitrator of ethical issues. If there is an ethical issue ( and you’ve never even tried to establish why there is one) it is far more complex than you make out – or even have attempted to comprehend; (Oh sorry Tim this may be an insult but then I’m just calling them as I see them – <BEG) The carnage of pure C&R is swept under the rug every month in the ff magazines and the entire industry is brainwashed into thinking that it is somehow OK to hurt a wild animal, just for fun. Whatever that carnage may be if it exists anywhere but in your imagination remains to be defined and exposed; get off your duff and do it - maybe I’ll come around to your point of view! [snip] You insist (greedily) that ‘quality fishing’ implies ONLY number of and size of fish. This is the part where YOUR dog craps on my lawn in plain sight of everyone who has a look; I made no such insistence; I usually choose less uncrowded waters populated with fewer fish to have some peace- BUT THAT IS MY CHOICE- I’m not out to stuff my choice down anyone’s throat. The fish I catch are often a pound or less when I could easily go elsewhere to catch pickup loads of fish bigger than you have ever seen. – I WILL NOT ACCEPT BEING LABELLED AS A GREEDY PERSON BY SOMEONE WHOSE AVOWED INTENTION IS TO ENACT RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT LIMIT FISHING OPPORTUNITIES TO A FEW SO HIS PLEASURE IS IMPEDED BY THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE POSSIBLE! You are out to enhance your pleasure at the expense of the pleasure of others! If that isn’t greed what is? Any greed associated with catch and release pales beside that old chum. You know Tim I hoped you could do better than these dreary ad hominium arguments – but perhaps you’ve picked up the habit from some my fellow c&r’ers who couldn’t do better either. There is no quality of experience left in the following pure C&R waters: The San Juan below Navajo Dam. The Frying Pan below Reudi. The Green below Flaming Gorge. The Uncompaghre below Ridgway. The South Platte (God rest her soul) below Cheesman canyon. If you think that pure C&R has enhanced your experience in these places then you will never ever understand the truth. So? Why don’t you show the kind of guts we’ve shown in BC and enact regulations that reduce the level of pressure on those rivers; those rivers belong to the residents of those states! Check out the regs for BC rivers like the Dean! Non-residents have to pay more; they have to use a guide they may have to enter a lottery for a right to fish – and yes I support the use of lottery entrance where the demand for access exceeds the resources capacity! But I will never support lottery access so some catch and kill elitists can get all the rivers to themselves, so they can kill a few fish but bar those who’d let them go! The very essence of the sport has to be that given a set of regulations the angler gets to choose how he pursues his sport. This was the meaning of Haig Browns "the Law Breaker" if we are forced to kill then we are only instruments of harvest not sports fishers. Someone actually argued against the position that fisheries management is about a balance of fish and having as few fishermen per mile Gee who was that? Ralph H TimW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice. There is nothing we do when we lure a fish, hook it, play it, land and then release it that is not done with catch and kill. The experience of the fish is the same up until the point it is released! Then it is given a 90%+ chance of survival! Ninety percent or better that it will spawn and enhance the fish stock. Ninety percent or better that it will do the fishy things that make a fishes life worth while. That make our sport worth while. If we cave in to the hysterical and illogical forces that would restrict the catching and killing of fish to force of law and the chance of lottery we will strip the sport of its essence. We will be able to fish so seldom that most will hang their rods in shame and pursue other pastimes. For those that do continue to fish the mystery of fishing will be replaced by the certainty of a dead fish or two and a modest meal. Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice.

– TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice. There is nothing we do when we lure a fish, hook it, play it, land and then release it that is not done with catch and kill. The experience of the fish is the same up until the point it is released! Then it is given a 90%+ chance of survival! Ninety percent or better that it will spawn and enhance the fish stock. Ninety percent or better that it will do the fishy things that make a fishes life worth while. That make our sport worth while. If we cave in to the hysterical and illogical forces that would restrict the catching and killing of fish to force of law and the chance of lottery we will strip the sport of its essence. We will be able to fish so seldom that most will hang their rods in shame and pursue other pastimes. For those that do continue to fish the mystery of fishing will be replaced by the certainty of a dead fish or two and a modest meal. Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice. There is nothing we do when we lure a fish, hook it, play it, land and then release it that is not done with catch and kill. The experience of the fish is the same up until the point it is released! Then it is given a 90%+ chance of survival! Ninety percent or better that it will spawn and enhance the fish stock. Ninety percent or better that it will do the fishy things that make a fishes life worth while. That make our sport worth while. If we cave in to the hysterical and illogical forces that would restrict the catching and killing of fish to force of law and the chance of lottery we will strip the sport of its essence. We will be able to fish so seldom that most will hang their rods in shame and pursue other pastimes. For those that do continue to fish the mystery of fishing will be replaced by the certainty of a dead fish or two and a modest meal. Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice.

Well spoken, Ralph! Here in the northern Sweden I’m not obliged to release the browns, graylings or char I catch. I’ll do it anyway, out of respect of nature and its limited resources. If I had to kill all the watery friends I manage to outwit, by imitating what they eat, by making a great cast, by reading the water or simply by persistance, then I would feel sick. It would be like having to kill the dog after walking it. Roughly… /Hans Edman, Umea, Sweden

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Yeah yeah yeah… The neighbor’s collie still craps on the lawn even after Eddie throws snowballs at it…you can leave the bitch out on a 20 below zero night and she still wags her tail at you in the morning. Same thing if you stake her out in the hot August sun in Rifle. You can be cruel as hell to a dog, they’ll still be around to crap on the lawn, man. But you know Ralph…I feel better that I do not kick her or tie her up in the sun and I feel better when she has water and food. You and many pure C&R-ers measure the ethical treatment of animals only by mortality studies. You do not consider that a wild animal in its element *deserves* a certain amount of respect. They do not exist purely for our pleasure, of that I am certain. This is what MY gut tells me. The carnage of pure C&R is swept under the rug every month in the ff magazines and the entire industry is brainwashed into thinking that it is somehow OK to hurt a wild animal, just for fun. Why do you continue to ignore the efficacy of selective harvest as a workable concept in all fisheriy situations ? You insist (greedily) that ‘quality fishing’ implies ONLY number of and size of fish. This ONLY guarantees crowded conditions which nails the coffin of quality shut… There is no quality of experience left in the following pure C&R waters: The San Juan below Navajo Dam. The Frying Pan below Reudi. The Green below Flaming Gorge. The Uncompaghre below Ridgway. The South Platte (God rest her soul) below Cheesman canyon. If you think that pure C&R has enhanced your experience in these places then you will never ever understand the truth. Someone actually argued against the position that fisheries management is about a balance of fish and having as few fishermen per mile as possible. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. TimW – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice. There is nothing we do when we lure a fish, hook it, play it, land and then release it that is not done with catch and kill. The experience of the fish is the same up until the point it is released! Then it is given a 90%+ chance of survival! Ninety percent or better that it will spawn and enhance the fish stock. Ninety percent or better that it will do the fishy things that make a fishes life worth while. That make our sport worth while. If we cave in to the hysterical and illogical forces that would restrict the catching and killing of fish to force of law and the chance of lottery we will strip the sport of its essence. We will be able to fish so seldom that most will hang their rods in shame and pursue other pastimes. For those that do continue to fish the mystery of fishing will be replaced by the certainty of a dead fish or two and a modest meal. Without catch and release fishing as we have come to know it will not stand and will pass into the oblivion of archaic practice.

– TimW Halfordian Golfer

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stogie-injured fly line

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First response is : Replace the line if it’s 13 months old. How much do you fish this line, I try to give my old (12 months) fly lines to beginners to encourage them. Next, I did the same thing last week, I was fishing False Albacore off of Montauk, LI, NY and layed down a beautiful Cuban on my motor controls so I could tye on a new Clouser. I looked down to see the Tarpon Taper Intermediate line smoking and melting as it laid up against the cigar. I picked up the gar, took a couple of puff, rolled my fingers around the melted area of the fly line and through it at 100 breaking ""albies". I landed four more fish that afternoon with that line and plan to use it again next week. I wouldn’t fish that burned line on a Tarpon (BIG TARPON that is) trip but this burn went right down to the core yet still seems to have plenty of strength. That’s my story and I’m stickin to it! Bonefly

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I’ve repaired fly lines on several occasions but never from a burn. I did cut an almost new fly line in half when I stepped on it with stream cleatl. To repair the cut line I removed the plastic coating on each end, lapped the ends over each other and sewed them together with needle and thread. I followed that with a smooth coat of Zap A Gap.

Now That’s a patch! How did the line hold up? Carl carl

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Hi Carl The line seems to holding up very well. I made the repairs last year and have used the line hard since then with no problems. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I may have pulled the ultimate bonehead manuveur. I melted my flyline with a cigar while tying on a fly. The central core is not exposed, but the plastic is clearly damaged. The line is 13 months old. My question to this esteemed group (as I am sure someone else has done this before): Will this affect the strength of the line? Should I discard the line? Should I attempt to coat the damaged area with something? Thanks, Steve Haun

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have pulled the ultimate bonehead manuveur. I melted my flyline with a cigar while tying on a fly. The central core is not exposed, but the plastic is clearly damaged. The line is 13 months old. My question to this esteemed group (as I am sure someone else has done this before): Will this affect the strength of the line? Should I discard the line? Should I attempt to coat the damaged area with something? Thanks, Steve Haun

Hi Steve, I’ve repaired fly lines on several occasions but never from a burn. I did cut an almost new fly line in half when I stepped on it with stream cleatl. To repair the cut line I removed the plastic coating on each end, lapped the ends over each other and sewed them together with needle and thread. I followed that with a smooth coat of Zap A Gap. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Yet another reason to stop smoking!

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Steve, As long as the core is ok, you might try Aquaseal over the melted portion. Spread it thin, wet your finger and smooth it out. It should work fine. Almost have done the same on several occasions. Norm

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Message from another bonehead! You can try and fix the burned area with one of the knot glues, I have used Loon Outdoors Knot Coat with success. Give the line a good yank after drying to make sure. But better still, because you can never be sure how far down the heat has penetrated into the core, cut out the burned section. Then by dipping each end of the fly line into nail polish remover soften the outer coatings, and strip off about 2 inches from each end of the line. Using a rough comb or brush ‘flay’ the ends of the exposed cores. Lay these exposed and flayed ends of the cores over each other and using a fly tying bobbin wrap the cores with several layers of thread. Then coat the whipped join with one of the knot glues. Ensure the knot glue is applied over the ends of the line coating on either end of the join to stop water ‘whicking’ up the central core. Good luck! Conficoius say man who smokes into wind with loose flyline gets his own back. — Tony Bishop Fish with Bish Taupo New Zealand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may have pulled the ultimate bonehead manuveur. I melted my flyline with a cigar while tying on a fly. The central core is not exposed, but the plastic is clearly damaged. The line is 13 months old. My question to this esteemed group (as I am sure someone else has done this before): Will this affect the strength of the line? Should I discard the line? Should I attempt to coat the damaged area with something? Thanks, Steve Haun

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Tying » Deer Hair

Deer Hair

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Can anyone explain the secret to working with deer hair? I can ty most other materials reasonably well, however the secret of working with deer hair escapes me. I’ve had it demonstrated in classes, and have read various books – maybe there’s a simple trick I’m missing – what’s the magic? Thanks in advance, Jon Kreski — EDP Auditor 3 yrs experience (8 yrs Internal Audit) -

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Can anyone explain the secret to working with deer hair? I can ty most other materials reasonably well, however the secret of working with deer hair escapes me. I’ve had it

Classical answer is: — on bare metal shank (i.e. slippery; thread coverage inhibits hair’s spinning uniformly) — place cleaned pinch of hair (fluff removed) — take not one but two turns of thread — initially loose, not tight — then tighten decisively, with a firm continuous pull. This should cause the hair to spin reasonably uniformly. If so, then you can see about packing the whole rearwards with thumbnails, winding thread back and forward through the packed hair for extra firmness, etc. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |

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Hi Jon The trick in working with deer hair is the material being matched to the job. If you are tying wings and tails you need one type of hair and if you are spinning the hair you need another type Wings & Tails – best hair is located on the hide along the back bone, the shoulder, and the rump. In small packages this hair is best recognized by the dark grey color in the center part of the hair fibers. Spinning – best hair is located on the hide down on the rib and belly. This hair is best recognized by the light grey color in the center part of the fiber. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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try wrapping loosely first slippin it in between yer thumband forefinger of the hand that yer holding the hair. do this twice, successfully tighten and then buckle down. Remember u can rebunch it and slide it back around the shank. stack it baby. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone explain the secret to working with deer hair? I can ty most other materials reasonably well, however the secret of working with deer hair escapes me. I’ve had it demonstrated in classes, and have read various books – maybe there’s a simple trick I’m missing – what’s the magic? Thanks in advance, Jon Kreski — EDP Auditor 3 yrs experience (8 yrs Internal Audit) -

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » River Fly Fishing » Any experience with the Orvis fly school?

Any experience with the Orvis fly school?

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Went to the Orvis School in Vermont. Got my money’s worth but in retrospect not a neccesity to learn. Specifically helpful with casting technique. Get a good book on the basics of fly fishing before you go to any class anywhere. Then decide if you really want to go. Great sport.

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writes: As a newcomer to fly fishing, I would like to start the right way. I am considering travelling to Colorado to attend the Orvis fly fishing school, and then spend a few days fishing in the area. I would like to hear from people that have taken the class about their experience, both good and bad. Is it worth all the expense? Thanks. Avi

I just completed the Orvis Fly Fishing school at their corporate headquarters in Vermont. Most of the time is spent on the mechanics of casting (including many different types. Only about 1/2 day si spent on the river, but you can go on the river after the class. I thought it was great. I feel like I learned so much on reading water, tying the knots, casting and the equipment, and even bugs. I would recommend it! Mac

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As a newcomer to fly fishing, I would like to start the right way. I am considering travelling to Colorado to attend the Orvis fly fishing school, and then spend a few days fishing in the area. I would like to hear from people that have taken the class about their experience, both good and bad. Is it worth all the expense? Thanks. Avi

Of course Avi, I think you should travel a little farther out west and attend one of my schools at the Arcularius Ranch near Mammoth Lakes in the Eastern Sierra, or at the Clearwater House on Hat Creek in Northern California. The classes are small & I understand the instructors are excellent ;^ (I’m one of the instructors). E-mail me if you’re interested. Thanks, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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How can I answer your question delicately… NO- it might be alot of fun but there is another way to learn flyfishing. Get to know some of the local oldtimers in the streams where you live. This is not necessarily easy to do but there are some great benefits- they know the waters local to you, know the hatches and patterns and best of all they can become friends to go fish with. One suggestion- a flyfisherman with all the gear (ie "decked out by cabela’s") doesn’t always know whats going on. Best wishes- you’ve selected a wonderful new hobby. Lee Clore "flyfishing is life"

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I have been to the school in evergreen, CO. You are right it is costly. I HAVE BEEN FLYFISHING FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS AND GOT SOMETHING OUT OF THE PROGRAM. BUT, THIS PROGRAM I SUGGEST FOR THE NEW COMER ONLY.IT IS BASIC. HOWEVER, THE STAFF IS GREAT. THEY TAKE YOU TO A STOCKED POND THAT IS FILLED WITH FISH IN A WELL DEVELOPED AREA(YOU CAN WATCH TV THROUGH THE WINDOW OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE ALL AROUND}. fOR MY MONEY GET AN ORVIS GUIDE AND TELL THEM YOU WANT A HALF DAY OF LAND INSTRUCTION. tHEM GO TO THE CHESMEN CAYON TO FISH. NOT THE SOUTH PLATEE. READ/READ/READ THEN YOU WILOL GET MORE FROM THE INSTRUCTION

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You had better believe it. I went to VT for mine…

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It depends on where you live. Orvis has schools all over the country; go to the one nearest you. I got started several years ago by going to the Orvis school near NYC in the Catskills. They teach you the basics, with emphasis on casting on a trout pond. I then hired one of the instructors (who, it turned out, went to high school with my wife) to take me onto the Beaverkill. As a newbie, you don’t need the challenge of Rocky Mountain fishing. Start in a river where you’ll likely catch fish, then move up to the harder (and more expensive) stuff.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Does Orvis recommend snagging?

Does Orvis recommend snagging?

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Does Orvis recommend snagging?<

I don’t think so, unless the object of the snagging is customers…..

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In the September-October 1995 Orvis News, Orvis recommends a new method of weighting a wet fly (in this case, Orvis egg clusters) so that there is nothing between the fly and the strike putty but line. The theory is that putting a weight between the fly and the strike indicator will mask a strike, because action at the end of the line will be delayed on its way past the weight. To avoid this, Orvis recommends clinch-knotting another length of line to the bend of the hook and attaching Orvis’s weighted putty to the other end of this line. According to Michigan fishing regulations, I believe that is snagging (or at least an illegal method for taking trout and salmon). Is it legal elsewhere? Does Orvis realize it is giving bad advice?

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To avoid this, Orvis recommends clinch-knotting another length of line to the bend of the hook and attaching Orvis’s weighted putty to the other end of this line. According to Michigan fishing regulations, I believe that is snagging (or at least an illegal method for taking trout and salmon). Is it legal elsewhere? Does Orvis realize it is giving bad advice?

Sounds like bad advice in terms of drift too. One advantage to putting the weight above the fly is that it leaves the fly free to drift about as the weight bounces along the bottom. With the alleged Orvis system, the fly is suspended between the weight dragging along the bottom and the line or strike indicator dragging in the current. It sounds like it would make it tougher to keep the fly drifting naturally. But Orvis’s point about the weight interfering with sensing the strike is a good one. — -Wayne Trzyna

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Tip of the day

Tip of the day

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TIP OF THE DAY; Studying insects helps anglers Knowing when aquatic insects should hatch gives you an advantage. Near the end of April, I fished a stretch of the Whitewater River = expecting a hatch of Hendrickson mayflies. I knew from experience that the adults show up on the water’s surface sometime between 2 = and 5 p.m. The day was perfect for good mayfly action, dark and ugly. At 11 a.m., I started wading upcurrent, fishing streamers. They didn’t = work. Next I dredged deep pools with nymphs. Bottom-hugging snags ate my nymphs. The trout were sulking. A few tentative taps at my nymph pattern kept me awake. By 3 p.m., after 4 hours of hard fishing, I had caught and released only = four small browns. I probably would have given up then if I hadn’t known there would be a hatch. Just as I was beginning to wonder if the hatch really would occur, I roundeda bend and spied a platoon of 11- to 14-inch browns frol= icking in an ankle-deep riffle. They attacked. Every other drift through the riffle brought a strike – on each of the four different= Hendrickson dry-fly patterns I used.

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