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1. How many days should we spend in Bangkok?

Three days, two if you are in a hurry and just want to see the major things. But you can also spend five days in Bangkok without getting bored. 2. Same question for Chiang Mai.  How many days?  I don’t mean to ask dumb questions but I am trying to figure out how many days to spend at these places.

Two days in Chiang Mai, some extra days if you do a trek in the mountain. 3. As far as beach areas, our travel agent is pushing Phuket and Ko Samui.  How desolate are these areas?  I mean, can I go walking on the beach and expect to see fewer than 10 people or will there be hundreds all over the beach?  The last thing I want is to go to some beach resort with hundreds of people.

Forget Phuket. Koh Samui is also quite crowded, although not as bad a Phuket. Koh Samet which the other poster suggested is not bad. See to get an idea how the island looks in high season: http://www.molon.de/galleries/Thailand_Dec01/KohSamet/page_.shtml 4. Any reviews of the Golden Buddha resort in the Andaman Sea.  I am looking for a very quiet place but I don’t necessarily want to spend 6 hours getting to that place from Phuket if Phuket is desolate enough during the off peak season.

Don’t go to Phuket. — Alfred Molon Remove the obvious to email Olympus C4040 online resource at http://www.molon.de/4040.html Photo galleries at http://www.molon.de/Galleries.htm

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The closest beach resorts to Bangkok, Pattaya and Cha Am/Hua Hin will both be busy, Koh Samet or Koh Chang, both past Pattaya are probably a good bet, or otherwise go down the coast south of Bangkok to very remote beaches such as Bang Saphan. — Posted via http://britishexpats.com

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My fiancee and I are seasoned travellers spending two weeks in thailand for the first time.  I have a few questions that I’m hoping people here can answer.  We are going at the end of October which I know is an off peak time.  The plan is to fly into Bangkok, spend a few days at a beach area, fly up to Chiang Mai, and then back to Bangkok. 1. How many days should we spend in Bangkok?

3 ,depends on how you handle the air polution too 2. Same question for Chiang Mai.  How many days?  I don’t mean to ask dumb questions but I am trying to figure out how many days to spend at these places.

3 3. As far as beach areas, our travel agent is pushing Phuket and Ko Samui.  How desolate are these areas?  I mean, can I go walking on the beach and expect to see fewer than 10 people or will there be hundreds all over the beach?  The last thing I want is to go to some beach resort with hundreds of people.

depends on where on the island patong is busy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -4. Any reviews of the Golden Buddha resort in the Andaman Sea.  I am looking for a very quiet place but I don’t necessarily want to spend 6 hours getting to that place from Phuket if Phuket is desolate enough during the off peak season. Anyway, I have written a lot and let me stop here. I thank you for your time. V

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My fiancee and I are seasoned travellers spending two weeks in thailand for the first time.  I have a few questions that I’m hoping people here can answer.  We are going at the end of October which I know is an off peak time.  The plan is to fly into Bangkok, spend a few days at a beach area, fly up to Chiang Mai, and then back to Bangkok. 1. How many days should we spend in Bangkok?

We were in Bangkok a total of 4 days, 5 nights in July of this year. 1st night was at the beginning of our trip as we arrived at 11pm. Spent the next day in Bangkok and then took the night train to Chaing Mai.  We had a compartment and it was a great trip.  Since it is you honeymoon, you should be aware that the berths are designed of one person but adequate for more than one if necessary.    The last 4 nights of our trip were also spent in Bangkok.  We saw many of the highlites and several other interesting things.  You could spend a month in this city but it is not a relaxing place.  I’d do it at the end of my vacation if you are looking for peace and quiet first. 2. Same question for Chiang Mai.  How many days?  I don’t mean to ask dumb questions but I am trying to figure out how many days to spend at these places.

We spent a total of 8 nights in the north, none in Chaing Mai.  The first 4 days were with a guide and we toured quite extensively.  Not sure how a third person would fit into a honeymoon situation.  I guess I wouldn’t like it.  But I can recommend a fantastic guide.  We did tour around Chaing Mai and the Night Market is not to miss.   3. As far as beach areas, our travel agent is pushing Phuket and Ko Samui.  How desolate are these areas?  I mean, can I go walking on the beach and expect to see fewer than 10 people or will there be hundreds all over the beach?  The last thing I want is to go to some beach resort with hundreds of people.

We spent 4 nights on Koh Samui at a terrific place.  Called Rocky Resort.  It is south of Lamai beach.  The very popular Chaweng beach is popular for a reason, it’s very scenic.  Also fairly busy.  At Rocky resort, the private beach is small but you can walk south from the place along a deserted beach for about 2km to a fishing village. No resorts that way.  I don’t think the beach is a great swimming beach but they were talking about clearing out some of the coral to improve it when we were there.  Rocky is designed for the crowd that doesn’t encourage wild parties or have teenagers and children.  While they are around, the place is still very quiet.  Good restaurant also. Easy taxi ride to other locations. Great people that run it. 4. Any reviews of the Golden Buddha resort in the Andaman Sea.  I am looking for a very quiet place but I don’t necessarily want to spend 6 hours getting to that place from Phuket if Phuket is desolate enough during the off peak season.

If you want desolate, go to Koh pha ngan, the next island after Samui. Stay away from Haad Rin at the south and pick one of the northern beaches.  There is nobody.  Not sure of the accomodation but somebody on the web can probably advise. Any specific questions or if you want to be bored with my 20 page travel journal email me at Have a great trip! Gord. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anyway, I have written a lot and let me stop here. I thank you for your time. V

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My fiancee and I are seasoned travellers spending two weeks in thailand for the first time.  I have a few questions that I’m hoping people here can answer.  We are going at the end of October which I know is an off peak time.  The plan is to fly into Bangkok, spend a few days at a beach area, fly up to Chiang Mai, and then back to Bangkok. 1. How many days should we spend in Bangkok? 2. Same question for Chiang Mai.  How many days?  I don’t mean to ask dumb questions but I am trying to figure out how many days to spend at these places. 3. As far as beach areas, our travel agent is pushing Phuket and Ko Samui.  How desolate are these areas?  I mean, can I go walking on the beach and expect to see fewer than 10 people or will there be hundreds all over the beach?  The last thing I want is to go to some beach resort with hundreds of people. 4. Any reviews of the Golden Buddha resort in the Andaman Sea.  I am looking for a very quiet place but I don’t necessarily want to spend 6 hours getting to that place from Phuket if Phuket is desolate enough during the off peak season. Anyway, I have written a lot and let me stop here. I thank you for your time. V

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My fiancee and I are seasoned travellers spending two weeks in thailand for the first time.  I have a few questions that I’m hoping people here can answer.  We are going at the end of October which I know is an off peak time.  The plan is to fly into Bangkok, spend a few days at a beach area, fly up to Chiang Mai, and then back to Bangkok. 1. How many days should we spend in Bangkok?

At least two or three days you need to see some of the highlights. 2. Same question for Chiang Mai.  How many days?  I don’t mean to ask dumb questions but I am trying to figure out how many days to spend at these places.

Depends on if you want to do a trekking (3 days). Chiang Mai is a relaxing town and you need at least one or two days for it. 3. As far as beach areas, our travel agent is pushing Phuket and Ko Samui.  How desolate are these areas?  I mean, can I go walking on the beach and expect to see fewer than 10 people or will there be hundreds all over the beach?  The last thing I want is to go to some beach resort with hundreds of people.

Go to Ko Samed. It is nearby Bangkok and some of the beaches are very desolated. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 4. Any reviews of the Golden Buddha resort in the Andaman Sea.  I am looking for a very quiet place but I don’t necessarily want to spend 6 hours getting to that place from Phuket if Phuket is desolate enough during the off peak season. Anyway, I have written a lot and let me stop here. I thank you for your time. V

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE of the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays. Probably are Gamma rays, actually.) Don’t tell my mother-in-law!  I finally convinced her to wear the aluminum foil helmet (made it myself, actually), and I don’t want to lose credibility with her…

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No, check it out, like, the device is magnetic, right? And, with enough carefull precision and some-one else’s infected butt one can carefully maneouver the device out through one’s mouth like they did in -now what was that k-ko0l christopher lambert movie in the 80’s again? Anyway, I’ve succeeded in removing mine and am currently on the road towards Mexico with a jammer in my left testicle – if all goes to plan the world will be obliterated by 7 ‘o clock this evening. I can’t give you any more details – Wish me luck. I HEAR THE OLD ONES SPEAK TO ME THROUGH JOHN TRAVOLTA’S RECTUM!!! AND STILL, THE PURPOSE OF LIFE HAS NOT YET DAWNED ON ME!!! PLACE YOUR NIPPLE IN MY MOUTH AND I WILL SHOW YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW!!! GIVE ME MY ORANGE JUICE!!! SHMOO!!! -WIZDUMB. (H3′Z S0 SL1CK) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE  of the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays.  Probably are Gamma rays, actually.) Don’t tell my mother-in-law!  I finally convinced her to wear the aluminum foil helmet (made it myself, actually), and I don’t want to lose  credibility with her… when i wear my foil helmet i sound like a truck in reverse *beep beep beep* headkase

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i was just let in on a conspiracy from a guy in a black suburban with a flat top…. he had lepard print cup holders and one of those bead seat covers on the passenger side… he started "have you ever met a kid that wanted to be a preast?" "no" i replied as i started out the door he grabbed me and pulled me back in proclaiming i was being watched now. i asked by who, only to see a group of priests across the street.. he sped away, me still in the seat and he started to unveil all he knew. Priests don’t grow up, there aliens… and the pope is a prince… now, whenever a certain area is to be breached they down what the call a faggit, or a fag as we call them to go hit on all the locals, being a fag he is not seen as a threat.. so he integrates himself into the surroundings… quetly making money here and there while he can.  At night time he is contacted in his basement and beams all his money to the collective, now.. when enough money is reached the collective buys what they call a ultimate money raising house… or church, with the tax free income from the brain washed populi that fills the collection baskets and the rich and famous using there own tax evading ways (set up by the aliens using another node that comes out of the spine)[acid is the way to get around this node... hence the alien populis created drug charges for the drug... this also explains why the 60's/early 70's where creative times... we thought for ourselves] now, jesus was really an alien named bob that used his powers for good… the aliens being evil nailed him to a piece of wood and raped him… many times (there all gay remember) now back to the preists of doom. They followed us down the local blvd. using penis shaped ships… they were cloaked but we say them on the acid boys saburben heat sensors… they cornered us in a ally, when all of a sudden he started to bump suvivor by destiny’s child… he then said the aliens hated women and bad music… and destiny’s child was the worst enemy sense there all secretly lesbain.  which goes into another conspiracy regarding Nuns… but that will come at another time… if your not into acid he also revieled that nude pictures of the golden girls in your wallet also helped cancel out the node. Tyler.

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They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE of the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays. Probably are Gamma rays, actually.)

Don’t tell my mother-in-law!  I finally convinced her to wear the aluminum foil helmet (made it myself, actually), and I don’t want to lose credibility with her…

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Well, I’ve been reading up on conspiracy theories. Why? probably because my tinfoil isn’t working. Well, here’s a summary of what’s actually going on: The Illuminati do have orbital mind control lasers. But they’re not the Illuminati, that’s just a front. They’re aliens. Government aliens. And they have written many of the conspiracy theories – yeas, especially "Secret Squirrel." They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE of the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays. Probably are Gamma rays, actually.) They write about alien implants, and even abduct people to spread these theories, always being sure to have them believe the implants are in their heads. Of course, people even tell them, even if they don’t believe them, that it is all in their heads. But is it? No, that’s the conspiracy. You see, they are putting the mind control chips in your ass. How does it work? well, everyone has nerves in their ass, which it attaches to. Very few people check their ass for scars, so few people notice. It’s not active all the time, just when they really need it, and they have to reabduct people every few months to change the batteries. What are the signs? Hemmorhoids. Hemmorhoids are a sure sign you are allergic to the implant, or have just had it replaced and are still sore from the implantation. Other signs include an overwhelming desire to scream "you are a fucking idiot" at random people, especially scientologists. Scientologists are not immune, but are usually controlled by a rival, even more evil, conspiracy. You see, these conspiracies have been at war for thousands of years. The Illuminati are against Scientology, and if they control your ass, will force you to hate John Travolta. But you hated John Travolta before? Yes, this is what they want you to think. Of course, their is a solution. Wrapping your head in tinfoil only exposes you to MORE mindcontrol rays (tinfoil works like an antenna). So, what you need to do instead, is wrap your ass in duct tape. Really. And don’t ever take it off at night, for that is what they want you to do. When you are sleeping is the most important time to wear the duct tape, as that is when they will try to abduct you. Also, to stop them, boobytrap your ass. Really. Moustraps on the outside of the duct tape work good, and can be ducttaped on themselves. Rattraps work even better, but have the drawback of occasionally trapping a rat on your ass, which is not a fun thing, especially if rats have a natural tendency to search your ass for food. Glue mousetraps should not be worn, as they tend to trap, well, the chair you sit on, which is rarely a good thing. Garlic, of course, can always be used in addition to the traps, just in case the Illuminati are allergic to it. Never use mines or explosives, just in case the Illuminati do trigger your ass. And remember, all is not what it seems, especially with tinfoil on your head and ducttape on your ass. — — theoneflasehaddock formerly of deja.com AIM – the1flasehaddock Suspected GLOBAL VILLAGE IDIOT. founder of the ‘Royal Discordian Opposition to the Cursed Number after Nine and Before Seven’ Known mad Imposter Fuckwit, you hatter bastards

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Well, I’ve been reading up on conspiracy theories. Why? probably because my tinfoil isn’t working. Well, here’s a summary of what’s actually going on: Read GURPS Illuminati. Then remember that the author, Nigel Findley, died shortly after the book was published. It has the most interesting version of the OMCL’s you can find.

I’ve been meaning to read that one for a while, I keep hearing how good it is, I just never get around to finding a copy. Instead, I sit at a computer and troll. Yay. — — theoneflasehaddock formerly of deja.com AIM – the1flasehaddock Suspected GLOBAL VILLAGE IDIOT. founder of the ‘Royal Discordian Opposition to the Cursed Number after Nine and Before Seven’ Known mad Imposter Fuckwit, you hatter bastards

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: Well, I’ve been reading up on conspiracy theories. Why? probably because my : tinfoil isn’t working. Well, here’s a summary of what’s actually going on: : : The Illuminati do have orbital mind control lasers. But they’re not the : Illuminati, that’s just a front. They’re aliens. Government aliens. And they : have written many of the conspiracy theories – yeas, especially "Secret : Squirrel." They write about mind control lasers affecting your head, and why : you should wear tinfoil, but tinfoil acts as a receiver, so you get MORE of : the mind control rays (are just past X-ray range, near Gamma rays. Probably : are Gamma rays, actually.) You need to use ARSCC-approved tinfoil hat to keep the mind control waves out of your head.  The ARSCC R&D Lab guarantees they are effective against even Scientology’s toadally gnarly Operating Thetans who can kill you with a thought. Perry Scott Co$ Escapee (ARSCC = alt.religion.scientology Central Committee.  It does not exist.  Really!  Now, see this red light?  … )

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Well, I’ve been reading up on conspiracy theories. Why? probably because my tinfoil isn’t working. Well, here’s a summary of what’s actually going on:

Read GURPS Illuminati. Then remember that the author, Nigel Findley, died shortly after the book was published. It has the most interesting version of the OMCL’s you can find. —   /   Marc Etienne Lachance, HOKuM, LMAA  /<  Episkopos without a cabal, /____ Non-Leader of Something or Another.

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Ever read "Foucault’s Pendulum"? I can’t look at another conspiracy theory the same, now. But, here’s mine:  there _is_ a conspiracy, only it’s not perpetrated by anyone in control of any government, or supergovernment, or occult organisation, or racial group or whatever.  It’s perpetrated by a wide variety of people with enough money not to worry about where their next meal is coming from, or about whether they’ll have a place to sleep, who are so caught up in trying to find some outside, all-encompassing explanation for why they got turned down at the bank for that loan for a jetski, or why Tammy didn’t win first at her school athletics day, or why Uncle Rob got cancer, that they lose sight of the places where they really _are_ being manipulated. Instead of spending some time thinking about (and getting mad about) the unequal distribution of resources (particularly food, but money can always by food, even in a famine) between the First and Third World, they get all anti about GE and how horrible it is that they’re forced to eat fly genes in those nice, fresh tomatoes.   Instead of getting active about overpopulation and/or too-low birth rates, they crow and complain when the government tries to steal _their_ money to build another road or add another few dollars to some superannuation scheme. Instead of seeing that eating unhealthily, not exercising, not going for regular check-ups and not following medical advice, they complain that it’s actually cellphones and suppressed anger and rays from spy satellites that makes them sick.     Instead of doing something constructive to lower the costs of medication to people in other countries (particularly for AIDS medication in Central Africa) to a level that is actually something lower than ten times their yearly income for a year-long course, they moan and whinge about how it’s actually vaccination that creates all the terrible sicknesses that we see in our everyday suburban, middle-class neighbourhood. I could (and will) go on about this, but you get the idea……. Love you heaps, Altair "We didn’t know they were going to drop a space station on us." -Trevor Canty, New Zealand fishing boat skipper, quoted in the New Zealand Herald, March 23, 2001. Coven of the Triple Moon: http://www.geocities.com.Paris/Cafe/8564/

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Anyone who know about a really good book about Clasic Salmonflies? Ole A Andreassen http://www.flyfishing-illustrated.com

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If you really want the classic book Try Geoge M. Kelson "The salmon fly" Dr T.E. Pryce, Tannatt "How to dress salmon flies Francis Francis "Book on angling" J.H. Hale "how to tie salmon flies William Blacker "The art of fly making" If you want more recent books on classic fly try Radencich Mikael Frodin Joseph Bates Ken Sawada Judith Dunham Paul Schmookler Poul Jorgensen Hope this help! Robert Mayrand – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Organization: Nextra Public Access Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Anyone who know about a really good book about Clasic Salmonflies? Ole A Andreassen http://www.flyfishing-illustrated.com

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Hi Indy; I live in Wisconsin.  While some folks here may disapprove of fishing for gills on the redds, it’s certainly not true of all of us.  Most of the people I know do it.  The limit for bluegills has been reduced to 25 per day in Wisconsin; still more than enough, I think.  I can’t fault anything else you have to say on the subject, but personally I prefer to use lighter tippet…2 or 3 lb.  I believe it spooks the fish less and makes it easier to use tiny flies effectively.  I also like to gut and scale the fish rather than filleting because you always lose some of the meat when you fillet, and I want it all!

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Hi Indy; I live in Wisconsin.  While some folks here may disapprove of fishing for gills on the redds, it’s certainly not true of all of us.  Most of the people I know do it.  The limit for bluegills has been reduced to 25 per day in Wisconsin; still more than enough, I think.  I can’t fault anything else you have to say on the subject, but personally I prefer to use lighter tippet…2 or 3 lb.  I believe it spooks the fish less and makes it easier to use tiny flies effectively.  I also like to gut and scale the fish rather than filleting because you always lose some of the meat when you fillet, and I want it all!

Hi Wolfgang, I sometimes go to 4 lb. but that 2 to 3 lb. line breaks too often on big gills, especially here in Florida.  I had to go to my 8 weight fly rod and 6 lb. leader just to get those big ones out of the weeds. The lighter leader just doesn’t get it.  Those big gills are bedding here right now, by the way, and I’m going out this morning.  Fried a mess of fillets on Sunday night.  Tres bon!  There are some excellent big bluegill holes in Badger State up in Douglas Co. where I formerly lived.  Sorry I got the ‘gill limit wrong.  Things change.  Best wishes. — Don Jordan "The Real Indiana Jones" http://realindy.com

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Hi all. Just wondering when do you like to fish for gills. I live in West Michigan.  Please give me a tip. Thank you.

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my best gills are caught in mid may to end of june

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Anytime, anywhere!  Here in Wisconsin (and in Michigan, I believe) there is no closed season on bluegills.  A lot of people like to fish for them through the ice and they get a lot of them that way.  Personally, I don’t care for hard water fishing…too cold standing out on the ice…but to each his own.  I started fly fishing about fifteen years ago and quickly discovered that it is THE best method for catching bluegills; they LOVE bugs.  The best fishing is in the early mornings and late evenings during the spawning season.  Bluegills are very aggressive about protecting their redds.  I have seen them come up off the nest and bite ducks who happened to swimming nearby.  Apparently even small bugs are seen as a threat and are vigorously attacked.  For reasons unknown to me the average size of fish I catch is considerably greater during the spawn too.  Maybe because it’s the biggest that do most of the breeding.  Here in Southern Wisconsin the gills spawn early, starting sometime in May most years, though it varies a bit according to the weather.  When I lived up in the central part of the state a few years ago it was usually late May or early June.  And of course, in the northern reaches of WI and MI it will be later yet. The hot fishing lasts until the beginning of the hot weather of summer, at which time things taper off somewhat, though there are still days when the action can be phenomenal. All in all, I think the best policy is to get out and fish whenever possible.  Regardless of all other considerations, the people who catch the most fish are the ones who spend the most time fishing.  If you have never used a fly rod for bluegills, do so as soon as possible!  It’s about the most fun I’ve ever had without being naked, and as a matter of fact…..uh…..hm….maybe we won’t go there. Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all. Just wondering when do you like to fish for gills. I live in West Michigan.  Please give me a tip. Thank you.

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I grew up in LaPorte, Indiana (somewhat close to West Michigan). In LaPorte, we have a lot of lakes.  I don’t live there now unfortunately or I’d be fishing every weekend! When I grew up, my father, grandfather and I used to fish all the time…we caught bluegill and perch from March all the way through to October.  The best times seemed to be spring and fall. And, we found that the best nearly always tended to be worms dug up from the garden or there were times when grubs were the best. Ted Hi all. Just wondering when do you like to fish for gills. I live in West Michigan.  Please give me a tip. Thank you.

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Hi all. Just wondering when do you like to fish for gills. I live in West Michigan.  Please give me a tip. Thank you.

Hi Trudude, The absolute very best time to catch bluegill is when they are bedding. I know some guys up north may abhor this practice, but it is the standard approach everywhere from Illinois to Florida.  They bed in shallow water and their nests are usually visible.  The most fun is to catch them on a fly rod.  If you’re in a lake with huge gills in the 10 plus inch category, you will want at least a no.5 weight rod and at least 6 lb. test leader.  I like small poppers and foam body spiders,,,green, white, black, yellow.  Sometimes a sinking fly will work better.  I have had great sucess on a standard trout nymph with just a tiny, tiny bit of weight on it.  If you aren’t a fly guy, get an ultralight spinning outfit and cast 1/32nd jigs or 1/32nd oz. spinner baits.  If you’re a live bait guy, crickets are best during spawn, but anything will work.  Redworms when it is slow, on the bottom. Go to http://realindy.com/Previous.htm  read about casting jigs and spinners for bluegill.  Good pix too. Bluegill spawn from Florida to Ontario, beginning in April in the South, but probably peak out in May/June at your lattitude with emphasis on June.  They are the most active during the full moon. Bluegill are far and away the best eating fish extant, in my opinion, and most ‘gill anglers like them filleted rather than beheaded,scaled and gutted, etc.  There are no bag limits on them in the South, but Wisconsin had a 50-fish limit when I lived there. Catching big bluegill on light tackle is the most fun I have every year, and that’s counting fly fishing for trout in the Rockies and muskies in northern Wisconsin.  A 10-inch bluegill puts up an incredible fight and if you ever hit those 11 and 12 inch hogs, buddy they will flat whip your butt! I hope you catch a big mess of ‘em this spring.  Happy dining! — Don Jordan "The Real Indiana Jones" http://realindy.com

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Sorry about the 2 messages, but, bluegill aren’t hard to catch, as a matter of fact they’re quite easy.

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About you r bluegill fishing.

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Sorry about the 2 messages, but, bluegill aren’t hard to catch, as a matter of fact they’re quite easy. That’s just about the only thing I catch. All you have to do is find a school of bluegill, put a bobber on and a small jig. (Make sure your bobber is situated right. They feed by the bottom or in the middle of the water). cast out in the school and wait. ( oh yes I forgot the most important part : Hook a Berkley "smelly" plastic worm on the jig. they come in swirly tails and grug. use the swirly tails.

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I am going to be in Fargo or Bismark on business in May.   Does anyone know of fly fishing opportunities in North Dakota? JK

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See the Tony Dean web site http://www.tonydean.com.  He has a "brochure" covering information on fly fishing for trout in some of the small reserviors in that state which you could ask for by e-mail or phone. If you don’t have any luck repost here and I will scan in the copy my dad has and e-mail it to you. Mikeh

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?   Clinchknot

 probably not. — Marty Silva P.E.T.A (People for the Ethical Termination of Antihunters) If people aren’t supposed to eat animals… then why are they made out of meat.

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?    Clinchknot

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?  

You may be fishing for the wrong fish. I won’t say that fish are particularly intelligent. But they do have a will to survive and thousands of years of genetic development to perpetuate their species. You may just be so successful that you have outgrown the resource and need to pick another diversion. You must be one awesome fishermen with several line records as well. If I were to call fish ‘dumb’ it would be a slam to myself as they regularly elude me somehow. Maybe I miss the pointof your question and it is more rhetorical. Are you by chance reflecting on the fact the EVEN THOUGH fish are dumb, you still have fun catching them. That I can not explain. Maybe a 12 step program would be helpful. I for one am not near ready to give it up. regards, J. Webb Atlanta Mac User Group

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? You may be fishing for the wrong fish. I won’t say that fish are particularly intelligent. But they do have a will to survive and thousands of years of genetic development to perpetuate their species. You may just be so successful that you have outgrown the resource and need to pick another diversion. You must be one awesome fishermen with several line records as well. If I were to call fish ‘dumb’ it would be a slam to myself as they regularly elude me somehow. Maybe I miss the pointof your question and it is more rhetorical. Are you by chance reflecting on the fact the EVEN THOUGH fish are dumb, you still have fun catching them. That I can not explain. Maybe a 12 step program would be helpful. I for one am not near ready to give it up.

I know that this is a flyfishing newsgroup but I can still recognize trolling when see it. John Fereira

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?   Clinchknot

‘Cause I haven’t got  a prayer in hell of trickin’ the smart ones:)

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?    Clinchknot         No.  Just can’t do it.  You either like it or you don’t.  It must be genetic.  You sound a little put off by such silly, trite behavior.  Get over it.  Nice troll. JE

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? Clinchknot

I’m A Frayed Knot. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Very clever Moe. — Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? Clinchknot I’m A Frayed Knot. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I am relocating to the Boston area (North Shore) and I am looking for good trout spots as well as some hotspots for Bluefish and Strippers. Any ideas are most appreciated. Mike

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I am relocating to the Boston area (North Shore) and I am looking for good trout spots as well as some hotspots for Bluefish and Strippers. Any ideas are most appreciated. Mike

My web site has links to the area fish finder reports, including Reel-Time, for whom I write the Metropolitan Boston report. Additionally, I carry stocking reports and fishing reports from local anglers.  I’m in the midst of updating the page, but you’ll find plenty of info that can get you started.  Feel free to e-mail me with any questions. Welcome to the area. — Mark Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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: I am relocating to the Boston area (North Shore) and I am looking for good : trout spots as well as some hotspots for Bluefish and Strippers. : Any ideas are most appreciated. : Mike For trout try the Nissitissit C&R area in Pepperill. For SW try southern ME and Plum I and Crane’s Beach in Ipswitch.

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i need ideas for flys i can use to catch a muski on a fly rod. all help will be much appreciated.                               hopefully helped,                                                    coolcat913

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I need idaes (help) on fly patterens or just flys to use to catch a muski on a fly rod. i’ve had little help on this matter from some  people, books, and web sits I ethier read or talked to. so anything you can tell me will be much much appericated!                                   Hopfully helped,(by you)                                                             coolcat913  

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i need ideas for flys i can use to catch a muski on a fly rod. all help will be much appreciated.

        Here’s some help (hopely)… You should have flies to control all necesary depths (0-6ft). On this page got good flies, <AHREF="http://www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html/<A/

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I have had most success with whooper-sized Dahlberg Divers.  Use long trailing tail of flashbou,a nd you may want to tie a trailer hook into the fly  (see saltwater rigs).  Bunny strips are excellent too, tied as streamers. — Indy http://realindy.com

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Visit a comprehensive web site for western Montana fly fishing.  The site offers descriptions and maps of local waters, articles from guides and outfitters and an extensive primer for teaching fly fishing to loved ones. Additionally, the site offers a tour of many of the top fly shops, outfitters and lodging. http://www.montana.com/flyfishing

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An article by Dave Odell on the Bitterroot River and one by Dave Archer on guiding/outfitting are particularly good.  These guys know their stuff.  They have both been guiding for close to twenty years in western Montana. – Charlie Miller – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Visit a comprehensive web site for western Montana fly fishing.  The site offers descriptions and maps of local waters, articles from guides and outfitters and an extensive primer for teaching fly fishing to loved ones. Additionally, the site offers a tour of many of the top fly shops, outfitters and lodging. http://www.montana.com/flyfishing

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I’ll be in Miami the first week in October.  What’s running in the northern Keys or Biscanne Bay?  I’ve flyrodded these flats before and alothough I know big bones are there, we saw very few fish.  Of course it could have been, and probably was a bad fish day, but I might try again. Any suggestion for guides out of Miami? Adam

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Try Luis Cruz at 305-262-4330. His beeper is 305-313-8491 (when tone rings just enter your phone number including area code there is no voice message). I’ve fished with many of the best guides in the Keys, including some of the famous legends. Luis is young, knowledgeable, hardworking, and has put me into fish every trip…I’ll be doing some flyfishing for permit with him in mid-September. He’s a number one guide who knows Key Biscayne like his back yard. Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY

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I’ll be in Miami the first week in October.  What’s running in the northern Keys or Biscanne Bay?  I’ve flyrodded these flats before and alothough I know big bones are there, we saw very few fish.  Of course it could have been, and probably was a bad fish day, but I might try again. Any suggestion for guides out of Miami? Adam

This is a good time to fish because it is cooling a little and the flats are not so crowded. You might find some baby tarpon ( 10 to 30#), bonefish, permit or redfish. This is the second season, Oct/Nov. The spring, April/May/June, is the most popular time to fish southern Florida. At this time you also have the big migration of tarpon. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Here’s one for you: . . . I asked where he put his pole. He said:  "I dropped it in the lake" . . .

What I’ve done with my 5yo. girl is to tie a string on the pole with a loop in it, have her put her hand through the loop and make sure the loop is snug on her wrist.  This allow the pole to be still attached even if dropped. Rey

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: Well, it’s more wierd than humorous, and I didn’t think it was very funny : at the time, which was yesterday afternoon.  If my typing is lousy it’s : because I’ve got a big bandage on my left index finger.  You’ll soon see why. : : : The hook was imbedded good, down to the bone.  There was no pushing it : through, and anyway, I didn’t have any pliers to bend down or cut off the : barb.  So there I sat, shoeless, blood running down my hand, a 3" Rapala : lure dangling from my hand, half a mile from my car.  I managed somehow to : get the hook off the plit ring.  Then I put on my shoes (not so easy) got : my stuff together, walked to the car, and drove to a local medical : facility where the nurse practicioner managed to yank that hook from my : hand (ouch!).   : : Meanwhile she told me a story that made me feel lucky.  Just after she had : started practicing whe got a call telling her that a young girl was on her : way with a fish in her foot.  Apparently she had stepped on a small fish : and the bony fins had stuck well up into the ball of her foot and acted : like a barbed hook.  Her father had tried holding down the fish his foot : and pulling on her leg with his hands, but it wouldn’t budge.  Then he : tried putting her foot in the water so the fish could swim free, but it : couldn’t.  The fish apparently was still alive and flopping around when : they arrived at the clinic.  They had to slice open the little girls foot : to remove the fish. : : I left that clinic counting my blessings. : :  Jim : : : Worse thing I ever saw like this was at my vets.  A man came in literally : dragging a big black lab.  I couldn’t understand why he was treating the : dog like that until I saw the big rapala with one hook firmly imbedded in : the poor dog’s nose and the other hook imbedded in the man’s arm.  The : vet sedated the dog and removed both hooks.  I still shiver when I think : about that.         I’m not so sure you should have posted that as Humorous Stories. I have an inch  long scar on the palm of my left hand from much the same sort of story.         I got a 20+ lb. ling cod in the boat. He was hooked on a diamond jig with a 6/0  treble hook. He was twisted up in the net, and as I tried to get him out, he thrashed  around hard, driving one of the exposed hooks through the palm of my hand. I had a  fishing buddy with me, and he knelt on the head of the fish until I could work the lure  free with the needle nosed pliers. I had no cutters, and the hook was held on with a  soldered ring, so I couldn’t free it from the lure. We had to push the hook back through  and cut the palm through to the hooh shank to free me of the lure. All this while bouncing  around in six foot seas. Needless to say, the pain and bleeding were considerable. The  wound later took six stitches to close.         It was a painful leason. I use a gaff now on big fish. I use a wood bat to stop  them from thrashing around. I keep a pair of heavy duty diagonal cutters on my boat.  And several Tylonal & codine in the first aid kit.

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Well, it’s more wierd than humorous, and I didn’t think it was very funny at the time, which was yesterday afternoon.  If my typing is lousy it’s because I’ve got a big bandage on my left index finger.  You’ll soon see why. Wednesday evening I stopped in to a local sporting goods store and found that they were selling out they’re fishing gear–everything was half-off. I picked up 5 Original Rapala’s, a cheap Browning fly rod and a nice baitcasting combo including a Diawa EL 2 reel and a Browning graphite rod, all for $92 including tax (oh yeah, I also got 5 Hopkins spoons in various sizes).  So all day yesterday I was aching to try some of this stuff out. I finished everything I had to at work and headed down to a spot at a nearby lake just to cast a few times and get a feel for my new combo.  I hooked up one of the Rapala’s (#11 original floater) and cast it a few times, reeling in quckly and casting again, trying to find a good setting on the magnetic anti-backlash mexhanism.  I was reeling in fast enough that the lure was diving down a foot or two, and once it got stuck on a tree limb I couldn’t see through the murky water.  So I took off my shoes and waded out to recover the lure.  I got it, left my shoes off and cast again a few times–still just casting and reeling in, just to get some casting practice.  Then I felt the lure get hung up again, and I started to walk out to retrieve it when the tree limb started to move.  I set the hook and a tidal wave erupted from the water.  I fought that fish for every bit of ten minutes and finally landed a big carp.  It was every bit of 20 pounds, probably quite a bit more.  With some effort I dragged it up on shore, a good bodies length from the water (which is a long way), put down the reel and started to stagger up the rocky shoreline, shoeless, to get pliers out of my tackle box (initial attempts at removing the treble hook had failed.  He was lip-hooked, but those were serious lips. Two of the barbs were in his lip, and the third was trwisted into a cross).  I got the tackle box, walked back to where the fish was.  When he saw me he made two big lunges and was in the water, still hooked.  I barely managed to snag the rod.  I fought him again (I’d've let him go, but I wasn’t gonna let him have my new Rapala) for about 5 minutes, landed him again, opened my tackle box and found that my pliers were missing.  I’d apparently left them out when I cleaned my tackle box the last time.  So I got out a rag, held the fish firmly with one hand and worked on the hook with the other. I wasn’t having much luck, so I let go of the fish and started working with both hands.  After about a minute the fish gave a massive flip, imbedded another hook in my left index finger, and used that leverage to do in half a second what I’d been unable to do in the previous 15 minutes–get the hook out of his lip.  In the meantime he had straightened out the hook in my finger.  The fish gave a lunge and was gone.  He’d gotten me back. The hook was imbedded good, down to the bone.  There was no pushing it through, and anyway, I didn’t have any pliers to bend down or cut off the barb.  So there I sat, shoeless, blood running down my hand, a 3" Rapala lure dangling from my hand, half a mile from my car.  I managed somehow to get the hook off the plit ring.  Then I put on my shoes (not so easy) got my stuff together, walked to the car, and drove to a local medical facility where the nurse practicioner managed to yank that hook from my hand (ouch!).   Meanwhile she told me a story that made me feel lucky.  Just after she had started practicing whe got a call telling her that a young girl was on her way with a fish in her foot.  Apparently she had stepped on a small fish and the bony fins had stuck well up into the ball of her foot and acted like a barbed hook.  Her father had tried holding down the fish his foot and pulling on her leg with his hands, but it wouldn’t budge.  Then he tried putting her foot in the water so the fish could swim free, but it couldn’t.  The fish apparently was still alive and flopping around when they arrived at the clinic.  They had to slice open the little girls foot to remove the fish. I left that clinic counting my blessings.         Jim By the way: my Audobon Field Guide says that the classification of fish that included carp and minnows (I can’t remember what it’s called) is charactized by "the absence of teeth in the jaw".  This fish definitely had some rather nasty looking teeth.  Skinny, about an eighth inch long. But I’d say it had to be a carp, since it was huge and had those characteristic barbels on its jaw.  What gives?

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: What I’ve done with my 5yo. girl is to tie a string on the pole : with a loop in it, have her put her hand through the loop and make : sure the loop is snug on her wrist.  This allow the pole to be : still attached even if dropped. : Rey All of this talk reminded me of one of my earliest memories.  We were living in Florida, which means I was no older than 4.  We were fishing on my father’s boat, and I was using a zebco or something, and I don’t know what we were after, but we were offshore.  I was in the front of the boat, and I had a strike.  Unfortunately, the drag was set real tight.  The fish dove down, and I started screaming for my father.  I held onto that rod for as long as I could, but the fish would definitely have won the tug-o-war.  I let the rod go just as my father made it up- he almost caught it.  I was so sad about it, and it must have made an impression if I remembered it all these years.           Moral of the story:  Just hope your 5 year old girl doesn’t tie into a 10 pound catfish or something.  Or make sure the drag is set right. -Jeff

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, it’s more wierd than humorous, and I didn’t think it was very funny at the time, which was yesterday afternoon.  If my typing is lousy it’s because I’ve got a big bandage on my left index finger.  You’ll soon see why. The hook was imbedded good, down to the bone.  There was no pushing it through, and anyway, I didn’t have any pliers to bend down or cut off the barb.  So there I sat, shoeless, blood running down my hand, a 3" Rapala lure dangling from my hand, half a mile from my car.  I managed somehow to get the hook off the plit ring.  Then I put on my shoes (not so easy) got my stuff together, walked to the car, and drove to a local medical facility where the nurse practicioner managed to yank that hook from my hand (ouch!).   Meanwhile she told me a story that made me feel lucky.  Just after she had started practicing whe got a call telling her that a young girl was on her way with a fish in her foot.  Apparently she had stepped on a small fish and the bony fins had stuck well up into the ball of her foot and acted like a barbed hook.  Her father had tried holding down the fish his foot and pulling on her leg with his hands, but it wouldn’t budge.  Then he tried putting her foot in the water so the fish could swim free, but it couldn’t.  The fish apparently was still alive and flopping around when they arrived at the clinic.  They had to slice open the little girls foot to remove the fish. I left that clinic counting my blessings.    Jim

Worse thing I ever saw like this was at my vets.  A man came in literally dragging a big black lab.  I couldn’t understand why he was treating the dog like that until I saw the big rapala with one hook firmly imbedded in the poor dog’s nose and the other hook imbedded in the man’s arm.  The vet sedated the dog and removed both hooks.  I still shiver when I think about that.

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  Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing  RE: Humorous fishing stories.  Here’s one for you:  This happened about three years ago-my little boy who was 4 at the time  was turning into quite the "fishing fool".  Life revolved around  fishing, and thankfully, still does.  Anyway, we were camping at a  secluded lake here in western Montana, and decided to go fishing one  evening after dark in the canoe.  We set up a couple of poles with  worms and a small marshmallow for floatation and a slip sinker.  We  went out in the bay about 50-60 yds from the 3-4 campsites  available-which were all full.  It wasn’t long before the silence and  serenity was broken several times by "I got one!!!".  I’d slide forward  in the canoe to help Chris check his line, only to find nothing there.  We’d then go through the procedure of reeling in, checking bait (which  was still there), and lowering it back down.  This probably continued  for about 20-25 minutes, and I was getting a little tempermental about  the whole program, and was ready to head back in.  Meanwhile, everyone  on shore could hear what was going on, and I’d hear laughter as he  hollared, followed by my explanations of how to tell whether a fish is  really biting (patience level was growing thin).  As I was ready to start paddling back to shore, once again he hollared  "I got one".   "Sure", I said.  "Just reel in, and we’ll try again in the morning".   "No, I REALLY have one this time".  (Laughter from shore).   "Christopher, you keep saying that, and we reel in, and your worm is   still on there", I said not so patiently.   About that time, I could see the outline of his Zebco rod and reel   silhouetted in the campfires from shore.  Sure enough, it was doubled   over and jerking frantically.   "Oh, sh__, you’ve got a fish on!", I exclaimed, as I clamored forward   to help him steady his pole.    After a five minute fight, Chris reeled in a 5 lb. bull trout.  As    the cheers subsided from shore, and I paddled in, Chris turned to me    and said "See, dad, when I say I got a fish on, I MEAN I got a fish    on.  You should listen to me".    Laughter erupted from the camps. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12

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Here’s one for you: I took my 8 and 5 year olds out perch fishing last summer. Well you know what kind of fishing that is for me, but I don’t mind, its getting out with the boys.  I was in the middle of a couple of hours of taking off fish and baiting hooks, and was working with my 8 year old for a minute.  When I finished I looked back around at Paul my 5 year old and noticed he was just sitting there quietly.  All you people with kids know what a quiet kid means…… I asked him what was the matter and he said: "nothin" I then noticed he wasn’t holding his snoopy pole any more and asked why he wasn’t fishing.  he said: "don’t want to anymore" I asked where he put his pole. He said:  "I dropped it in the lake" His face went heavy and I asked why didn’t he tell me and he replied: "didn’t want to get in trouble." I didn’t know if I should laugh or cry.  Felt sorry for him and explained how fishermen ocassionally loose things, Not to worry and I rigged him up another rod, and back to fishing he went. we tried to fish out his pole, but the current had taken it away. another day, another hard lesson in the game of life for a 5 year old! Bob

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