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A Merry Christmas to all of you. I hope Santa will make one of your special (fly fishing)wishes true. Take care and tight lines Wim

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Its already started.  My wife asked me what kind of fly fishing stuff I wanted for Christmas.  I had just received a Hunter’s Angling fly tying catalogue and marked it up, flagged the pages, and gave it to her for shopping.  Earlier this week she came in with the catalogue in hand, said "Merry Christmas! Order everything you marked!"  I shot off the order and the box arrived yesterday.  My fly tying bench is overloaded with goodies. Most of this batch was for saltwater flys with a few tools thrown in.  At the January fly fishing show in College Park I get to spend my other Christmas present, a SIGNIFICANT contribution to my fly fishing war chest! let’s see……wading boots, Teton reel for my Connor rod, hackle, gotta buy hackle, don’t need hackle (got nearly 3 dozen necks and saddles, but what the hey, you can’t have too many) so I’ll buy some hooks, maybe a full-dressed salmon fly or two to hang on the wall, Teeny line for my new Teton reel…..gotta be something else, so far I have cash left over from my shopping list. Maybe I’d better save some for Penns.  I’m booked with Jonas at Feathered Hook for the nights of May 16 – 20.  Imagine having to pass through a fly shop EVERY day BEFORE BREAKFAST!  arrrrggghhhh!  Better leave all my credit cards at home and just take the leftover Christmas funds. Come to thnk of it, it will be AFTER the fly fishing show, list or no list, there won’t be anything left! — Wayne (commercial….too damn commercial…unless its fly fishing stuff) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Merry Christmas to all of you. I hope Santa will make one of your special (fly fishing)wishes true. Take care and tight lines Wim

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Its already started.  My wife asked me what kind of fly fishing stuff I wanted for Christmas.  I had just received a Hunter’s Angling fly tying catalogue and marked it up, flagged the pages, and gave it to her for shopping.

I tried the same thing with Cabelas’ fly fishing catalog. When I got done, just about all the pages were dog-eared. After the laughter subsided I was told to make a list, so I went to cabelas.com and made a 3-page wish list. This sport is tough – so much gear, so little $$. — TL, Tim

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Its already started.  My wife asked me what kind of fly fishing stuff I wanted for Christmas.  I had just received a Hunter’s Angling fly tying catalogue and marked it up, flagged the pages, and gave it to her for shopping. I tried the same thing with Cabelas’ fly fishing catalog. When I got done, just about all the pages were dog-eared. After the laughter subsided I was told to make a list, so I went to cabelas.com and made a 3-page wish list. This sport is tough – so much gear, so little $$.

My bosses gave me a $200 gift certificate which I can choose to get in any denominations of $10 and up at any of many listed stores.  I was delighted and told my husband about it, saying that Cabella’s was one of the stores.  He got that look and I now figure I’ll have to half of it at the nearest really good restaurant and only do half at Cabella’s.  Damn.  Should have kept my mouth shut? —   rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Very slow on replying to email. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Cyli, you must learn something which guys pass on to each other early on in the locker room conversations.  NEVER…repeat NEVER give up how much you really got, the fact you got anything at all, where you might spend it, or what you bought with it! NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!!!  You will also get VERY creative about explaining how certain new gear turns up.  Keep in mind, these are not lies; just things we tell the opposite sex to keep them from worrying about things which they should never have to be concerned with in the first place. — Wayne (maybe I’ll make a video about this and market it through Neiman Markus) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its already started.  My wife asked me what kind of fly fishing stuff I wanted for Christmas.  I had just received a Hunter’s Angling fly tying catalogue and marked it up, flagged the pages, and gave it to her for shopping. I tried the same thing with Cabelas’ fly fishing catalog. When I got done, just about all the pages were dog-eared. After the laughter subsided I was told to make a list, so I went to cabelas.com and made a 3-page wish list. This sport is tough – so much gear, so little $$. My bosses gave me a $200 gift certificate which I can choose to get in any denominations of $10 and up at any of many listed stores.  I was delighted and told my husband about it, saying that Cabella’s was one of the stores.  He got that look and I now figure I’ll have to half of it at the nearest really good restaurant and only do half at Cabella’s.  Damn.  Should have kept my mouth shut? — rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing. Often taunted by trout. Very slow on replying to email. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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All, A man I knew for the last 25 years as a dear friend and a fly fisherman passed away last night at the age of 68. This man survived the Korean War flying some of our best jets of that time and continued flying until medical problems grounded him. His main interest in life was fly fishing and fly tying.  When he could not find the materials he wanted for tying or fishing, he made them. He even defied the odds and manufactured his own fly rods and produced some of the finest rods I’ve ever had the privilege to cast. I know that many on this list were his friend and will also miss him. This list will miss his quips and comments. Whether you agreed with him or not, he did made you think. George, we will all miss you. In memory of George Gehrke, Karl Snyder — a friend

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In memory of George Gehrke, Karl Snyder — a friend

Friend or foe, from all I’ve heard, he was an excellent angler.  Tight lines George. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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In memory of George Gehrke,

It’s good he was able to make it to the Henrys Fork Clave, and probably why he strived to get there. He obviously enjoyed himself there, and (for better or worse) enjoyed frequenting roff. My thoughts are with his friends and family. — TL, George. Tim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All, A man I knew for the last 25 years as a dear friend and a fly fisherman passed away last night at the age of 68. This man survived the Korean War flying some of our best jets of that time and continued flying until medical problems grounded him. His main interest in life was fly fishing and fly tying.  When he could not find the materials he wanted for tying or fishing, he made them. He even defied the odds and manufactured his own fly rods and produced some of the finest rods I’ve ever had the privilege to cast. I know that many on this list were his friend and will also miss him. This list will miss his quips and comments. Whether you agreed with him or not, he did made you think. George, we will all miss you. In memory of George Gehrke, Karl Snyder — a friend

Very sorry to hear that, Karl. No matter if the people on this list were his friends or not, I think that we all will miss his posts, for sure I will. Even if I didn

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Dave, Earlier this year I lost the ability to see close with my regular glasses on.  I also know that my regular near sight (without glasses) is going down hill as well.  So after a few 10-15 minute sessions on stream changing flies on 6x, I gave in and got the magnifiers which are a life-saver for me. I also bought a boom-arm magnifier light for tying and other close work at home. I was really hoping the progressives worked but for me, I felt like I was walking around with fish-eye lenses and was getting headaches. I just went tonight and turned them in (I was in a trial period) for regular distance lenses, and back I go to the clip on magnifiers on stream — Rob

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Rob;   That’s too bad about the progressives. I love mine in the regular everyday lenses–but tying knots on stream–or even tying flies at home on the bench–is better accomplished with the naked eye. Sucks getting old–but the alternative is a *helluva* lot worse. Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave, Earlier this year I lost the ability to see close with my regular glasses on.  I also know that my regular near sight (without glasses) is going down hill as well.  So after a few 10-15 minute sessions on stream changing flies on 6x, I gave in and got the magnifiers which are a life-saver for me. I also bought a boom-arm magnifier light for tying and other close work at home. I was really hoping the progressives worked but for me, I felt like I was walking around with fish-eye lenses and was getting headaches. I just went tonight and turned them in (I was in a trial period) for regular distance lenses, and back I go to the clip on magnifiers on stream — Rob

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I broke down and bot a few of those cute little needle threader type hook threaders that sit in my C&F boxes. They work ok and all but I’ve noticed that on smaller sizes the tippet forms a crease where it is hooked by the threader and pulled through. This makes my a bit nervous to include the creased section either in my knot or in my leader section. My concern is that by forming such a sharp bend in the tippet, I’m creating a weak spot and risking a break when load is applied. Anyway, the solution is just to snip off the bend. Aside from that, my little sise 22’s have become very popular with the smallmouth bass crowd. I’ve tended to fish the last two hours of the day recently and found that the darker bodied (BWO) parachutes have been hands down more productive than the lighter brown and tan bodies, even though the pattern is otherwise identical. They must put some cheese flavoring in that Super Fine olive dubbing. As an aside, check out http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/fishing/fishid/default.htm I don’t live in Ohio, but I’ve found the line drawings and descriptions on this site of typical panfish and bass to be very interesting. I printed out all of the species that my son has caught and we colored them (to the best of our recollection) with water colors. Over and out. -bh Boulder, CO

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Rob;   I have progressives for both my regular glasses and polarized progressives for my fishing glasses. You’d think they’d work fine–but noooo. Still much easier–for me anyway–to whip off the glasses and use the naked eye. I *do* have to be a bit careful in the dusk after taking off the fishing (dark) glasses–my "regular" ones don’t have the Croakies attached. Be a shame to drop them in the river.   Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH. if you’re nearsighted and can’t see near anymore just happened to me earlier this year.  I’m trying progressive lenses (instead of bifoculs) right now, but hate them. I’m probably going to resort to 2 pairs of glasses… regular distance correction and reading glasses. On stream I’ll just use my clip-on magnifiers. Rob

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Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

As an aside, don’t use your teeth to cut the tippet because this will flatten the end of it, making it wider than the diameter of the tippet. Use a sharp pair of nippers or scissors and cut the tippet at an angle. Mu

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Peter Charles writes… The eyes have hung in so far but after a day of staring at computer screens, they can need some help tying flies.  Bought a cheap pair of 1.25 diopter half-glassses from the drug store – work great. Peter

Hell I’m up to 2.75 diopter and it still doesn’t work. I’ve got to use magnifiers. The clip-on ones work well and you can buy polaroids with magnifiers built right in How the hell did you tie the damn things without magnifiers? Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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but makes it much more pleasant. Wolfgang For who, you or the guy watching you? Darin

Share the wine and the spectators’ acuity will match your own……the possibilities for amusement are endless.      :) Wolfgang

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Actually I found a really simple solution. I have lazy eye, like a squint except your eyes dont go in different direction. On a good day I can see fine with a small amount of strain, on a bad day I end up borrowing my mothers reading glasses to be able to see in front of my arm. It has almost gone though, my vision is perfect after taking up cross-stitch. Watch tv do cross stitch means I need to continually refocus and at the same time training my eyes to focus. I know this is not the case with a large number of you but try short-long exercise. It may make a difference. As for tying, my proficiency has gone from a 10-12 to 22+ with better focussing.

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Depends on the state of your teeth. *grin* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody? As an aside, don’t use your teeth to cut the tippet because this will flatten the end of it, making it wider than the diameter of the tippet. Use a sharp pair of nippers or scissors and cut the tippet at an angle. Mu

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I must have been born with grinders, ‘cuz I fully understand Mu’s advice. AFTER I cut the line cleanly with nippers, and AFTER I don my magnifiers, I have to move the fly around to get the best backgound for finding the hole. (sound like the start of a bad joke, eh.)  Foreground, background, and contrast all play a role. David . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As an aside, don’t use your teeth to cut the tippet because this will flatten the end of it, making it wider than the diameter of the tippet. Use a sharp pair of nippers or scissors and cut the tippet at an angle. Mu

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Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH.

if you’re nearsighted and can’t see near anymore just happened to me earlier this year.  I’m trying progressive lenses (instead of bifoculs) right now, but hate them. I’m probably going to resort to 2 pairs of glasses… regular distance correction and reading glasses. On stream I’ll just use my clip-on magnifiers. Rob

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I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

magnifier clip-ons onstream, or pre-tie them at home.

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Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH. Hell, that’s how I tie the fly to the tippet!

Same here.

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Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody? One word: Magnifiers. Or a couple of glasses of wine……doesn’t really speed the process, but makes it much more pleasant. Wolfgang

…and it gives you TWO hook-eyes to aim for — NightStalker

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"Nightstalker" …and it gives you TWO hook-eyes to aim for — NightStalker

One more glass and you’ll see 3. This makes it much easier, you aim for the middle one. Clark

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I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

The eyes have hung in so far but after a day of staring at computer screens, they can need some help tying flies.  Bought a cheap pair of 1.25 diopter half-glassses from the drug store – work great. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Make grandson feel needed! OR leave fly off, eliminates need to reel in fish,unhook etc. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

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but makes it much more pleasant. Wolfgang

For who, you or the guy watching you? Darin

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I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

I’m excessively nearsighted, so first I try lowering my glasses and using a bare eye look.  Doesn’t help with 6X tippet.  Then I haul out the cheap drugstore reading glasses.  Helps.  I can see how I’m missing it.  Then I keep on jabbing what I think is the end of the tippet into where I think the eye of the hook is until I luck out. Takes about 10 minutes as a general rule.  The thing I hate is when I finally get it through and go to pull it enough through to make a knot and something slips and it’s out again.  But if I’m sitting in the sunshine and the water’s gurgling nearby, that’s almost okay. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

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Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

One word: Magnifiers. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH.   Dave M

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

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Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody? One word: Magnifiers.

Or a couple of glasses of wine……doesn’t really speed the process, but makes it much more pleasant. Wolfgang

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Have been using these and they work great, 4 different magnifications to choose from. http://www.mageyes.com/Hobby.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sat up last night and tied a couple dozen medium brown parachute duns in sizes 20 and 22. This morning I’m looking at them, not half bad BTW, and wondering how the hell I did that. I can barely see the ribbing on the bods and the hackle is as fine as that from a hummingbird’s scrotum. <huh? whaddid he say? Now I’m wondering how in the heck I’m going to tie these little gems on. Being half blind (and equally crazy) I have a tough time tying an 18 on 6x. What’s the trick to it? Anybody?

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Well…the "trick"; if you want to call it that; at least for me–because I’m so near-sighted–is to hang my glasses off a string /croakies off my neck; and tie on the fly using just my regular vision. That’s a trick I learned from watching my mother-in-law threading a needle. I’ve been told that it only works if you’re nearsighted–but if you are–it works like a charm. HTH.

Hell, that’s how I tie the fly to the tippet! — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/

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Just a test, please ignore.

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See Subject. Lou

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See Subject.

See Subject run.

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See Subject. See Subject run.

Run Subject.  Run! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I can see subject run now.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See Subject. See Subject run. Run Subject.  Run! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Sorry just testing…

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Sorry just testing…

Hi No problem about testing, that’s how we learn.  Next time ask a question or share some information.  We’d like to hear from you. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Testing the water to see if this ng is available to an amateur

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Testing the water to see if this ng is available to an amateur

You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave. — Ken Fortenberry

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Testing the water to see if this ng is available to an amateur

LOL! Now THAT was funny!

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Testing…1…2…3….!

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This is only a test…  Bow-wow!

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Testing…1…2…3….!

____ Are you going to sit on that porch all day or are you going to come out and play in the yard with the big dogs now? ; ) the puppy Mr. G.

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Bell South has today changed news group servers. I apologize for this test, but I am a long time lurker.

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Bell South has today changed news group servers. I apologize for this test, but I am a long time lurker.

There’s an alt.test group that’ll not only post but send you an email about what’s happened to it.  Not that that matters when you regularly read a group, but it’s sometimes a pain to the poster to wade through everything to find out if his / her post made it.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Are my messages getting out to the NG?  None of my new messages and/or replies seem to be getting to the NG. Bob from El Paso

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We read you loud and clear Bob! — Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are my messages getting out to the NG?  None of my new messages and/or replies seem to be getting to the NG. Bob from El Paso

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Thanks for responses fellas – ran virus scan – no vireo, DSL was AOK, sent Netscape nastygram, fed Ol’ Whiskerface hot half-done steak and cold salad. Is amazing how nice rabid-computer-users (& fishers) get when you feed’em up good.  Let’s see if this message gets out.  Truly I don’t know how I fixed it.  Blond thang, I guess. Bob’s Wife in El Paso, repainting blistered walls..

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Filter ? TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Since Mr. G quit posting I don’t have any thing on filter.

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Sorry Ernie, the time is incorrect.

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Thanks for responding to this.  I have been having trouble with my ISP and I don’t see the messages I send to ROFF, does any one know why I wouldn’t see the message when Herman did? Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry Ernie, the time is incorrect. — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Hi John this test Keith

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Hi John this test Keith

Did you pass…lol –Randy

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Why aren’t my post getting there?

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Why aren’t my post getting there?

Where?

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Why aren’t my post getting there?

try hitting the send button. it’s the big button on your cpu. waldo the helpful

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I read somewhere that using Armour-All will make your line more susceptible to UV damage.  I can’t remember the source, but it stuck in my head. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some old fart (hope he doesn’t read this NG) here in Boulder taught me this one: When your line gets grungy and needs some TLC, soak a soft cloth in Armour-all and wipe the grime off. This not only cleans your fly line, but it lubes it up so it slides through the guides with ease. Ben Holmes Boulder, CO

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I thought that this NG decided about 12 months ago that Amour-all wasn’t the best thing for fly lines Okay, so we’ve decided that Armour-All sucks. Now… what about Murphy’s Oil-Soap. It cleans every thing else known to man. Why not clean fly lines?

Don’t know about Murphy’s specifically, but what I’ve seen is that the best line cleaner is soap and water.  YMMV. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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I’ve used Armor-all on my fly lines too, and it works well. BUt, there are ecological factors to think about when using such a product.  Armor-all doesn’t have alcohol or solvents, but I’m sure there are trace elements of toxins to fish. I’d much rather be safe than sorry.   Tim: Nobody told me that. I’ve been doing this to my 444 lines for three seasons (years) now and I have to report that I’m on my 4th season (year) with two of them. They still float, they slide like grease through a goose through my guides, and they are in one nice shiny piece. Armour All is a water based silicone solution, not at all unlike other dressings that cost much more. If the NG has decided that it is bad for my lines, well, someone should have told that to my lines.

John W. Kramer                           Clearwater Outfitters                   WE ENDORSE CATCH AND RELEASE (717) 938-3423

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Ohhh NOOOOOOOO,  Here we go again – this thread comes up all the time !!! DO NOT use Armour All – use soapy (read dish detergent) water and then just dry the line – like by casting it a few times. AA will build up and wreck your line’s finish after a while and if you live where there is no year round fishing it will gum up on the reel after time. That’s all I’m gonna say this time (see I can restrain myself gang) Bill Some old fart (hope he doesn’t read this NG) here in Boulder taught me this one: When your line gets grungy and needs some TLC, soak a soft cloth in Armour-all and wipe the grime off. This not only cleans your fly line, but it lubes it up so it slides through the guides with ease. Ben Holmes Boulder, CO

– Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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I thought that this NG decided about 12 months ago that Amour-all wasn’t the best thing for fly lines

Okay, so we’ve decided that Armour-All sucks. Now… what about Murphy’s Oil-Soap. It cleans every thing else known to man. Why not clean fly lines? Bryce

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Tim: Nobody told me that. I’ve been doing this to my 444 lines for three seasons (years) now and I have to report that I’m on my 4th season (year) with two of them. They still float, they slide like grease through a goose through my guides, and they are in one nice shiny piece. Armour All is a water based silicone solution, not at all unlike other dressings that cost much more. If the NG has decided that it is bad for my lines, well, someone should have told that to my lines. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This thread again? I thought that this NG decided about 12 months ago that Amour-all wasn’t the best thing for fly lines — Tim Wohlford header return goes to a nasty spammer…. Uh Oh!  Here we go again! Bob Scott  (guilty in the past)

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I thought that this NG decided about 12 months ago that Amour-all wasn’t the best thing for fly lines

Yes, for only the third or fourth time since ‘94 that I’m aware of. Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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Jesus H. Christ on a crutch!!  I’m on Social Security and that definitely  puts me in the old fart category, which By God, I worked for, and am proud  of!  Why is it these politically correct weenies feel they have to step in  "mind our manners for us?"  Enough of this crap already!!  Chances are,   that old fart Ben alludes to couldn’t care less that moniker is applied   to him, and if he did, isn’t it HIS place to make the admonishment? And   I’m sure you PC weenies noticed I took the Lord’s name in vain, at this   age, I’ll do anything I damn well please, PC’ers can stuff it. Get a life!   There, I feel better now. Where the hell are my crutches?   Frank (politically incorrect) in Elkhart, IN – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ben, Some manners, please?   A great many in this group fall into what you seem to think is an age group to insult. Everybody is heading for that time of life.  Take a look forward, if you can. When you say you hope "he" doesn’t read this NG, you show that you realize you’re using a derisive term. How about if we all try to make the world, and especially the flyfishing world, a better world? If you appreciate what "he" taught you, why not call him "some nice old guy?" Regards, Jess Some old fart (hope he doesn’t read this NG) here in Boulder taught me this one: When your line gets grungy and needs some TLC, soak a soft cloth in Armour-all and wipe the grime off. This not only cleans your fly line, but it lubes it up so it slides through the guides with ease. Ben Holmes Boulder, CO

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jesus H. Christ on a crutch!!  I’m on Social Security and that definitely  puts me in the old fart category, which By God, I worked for, and am proud  of!  Why is it these politically correct weenies feel they have to step in  "mind our manners for us?"  Enough of this crap already!!  Chances are,   that old fart Ben alludes to couldn’t care less that moniker is applied   to him, and if he did, isn’t it HIS place to make the admonishment? And   I’m sure you PC weenies noticed I took the Lord’s name in vain, at this   age, I’ll do anything I damn well please, PC’ers can stuff it. Get a life!   There, I feel better now. Where the hell are my crutches?   Frank (politically incorrect) in Elkhart, IN

       Three cheers; I rather refer to myself as an oldy but goody, however if refered to affectionatly as an old fart I’ll take that. Weuns older guys, by reason of survival and longevity have earned the right to accept any name we choose. That said, this farts for you.                                                       John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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I think there is confusion here about Armour All. I am confused too. Isnt there a bunch of stuff in spray bottles called Armour All? The cleaners are solvents and bad on lines. The preservatives are water based and don’t clean but rather make plastic etc shine. I’m sure there is more then one product. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim: Nobody told me that. I’ve been doing this to my 444 lines for three seasons (years) now and I have to report that I’m on my 4th season (year) with two of them. They still float, they slide like grease through a goose through my guides, and they are in one nice shiny piece. Armour All is a water based silicone solution, not at all unlike other dressings that cost much more. If the NG has decided that it is bad for my lines, well, someone should have told that to my lines. This thread again? I thought that this NG decided about 12 months ago that Amour-all wasn’t the best thing for fly lines — Tim Wohlford header return goes to a nasty spammer…. Uh Oh!  Here we go again! Bob Scott  (guilty in the past)

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Ummmm, Jesse, no harm meant – the old fart is my dad. Fact is he did read it, and it was his advice for you to lighten up just a bit. But, to keep from rubbing you into a chaffe I’ll refer to him as "some nice old guy" from this day forward. Regards, Ben – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Ben, Some manners, please?   A great many in this group fall into what you seem to think is an age group to insult. Everybody is heading for that time of life.  Take a look forward, if you can. When you say you hope "he" doesn’t read this NG, you show that you realize you’re using a derisive term. How about if we all try to make the world, and especially the flyfishing world, a better world? If you appreciate what "he" taught you, why not call him "some nice old guy?" Regards, Jess Some old fart (hope he doesn’t read this NG) here in Boulder taught me this one: When your line gets grungy and needs some TLC, soak a soft cloth in Armour-all and wipe the grime off. This not only cleans your fly line, but it lubes it up so it slides through the guides with ease. Ben Holmes Boulder, CO

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Some old fart (hope he doesn’t read this NG) here in Boulder taught me this one: When your line gets grungy and needs some TLC, soak a soft cloth in Armour-all and wipe the grime off. This not only cleans your fly line, but it lubes it up so it slides through the guides with ease. Ben Holmes Boulder, CO

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Uh Oh!  Here we go again! Bob Scott  (guilty in the past)

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Some old fart (hope he doesn’t read this NG) here in Boulder taught me this one: When your line gets grungy and needs some TLC, soak a soft cloth in Armour-all and wipe the grime off. This not only cleans your fly line, but it lubes it up so it slides through the guides with ease.

So being an old fart: 1.  He probably had a secret stash of ancient Armorall of "classic formulation."  After long debate, posters seem to agree the Armorall you can buy nowadays damages the finish on the fly lines you can buy nowadays. 2.  He did not think of soap.  The best way to clean normal angling dirt off fly lines is to wash them with dilute liquid detergent. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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This thread again? I thought that this NG decided about 12 months ago that Amour-all wasn’t the best thing for fly lines — Tim Wohlford header return goes to a nasty spammer…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some old fart (hope he doesn’t read this NG) here in Boulder taught me this one: When your line gets grungy and needs some TLC, soak a soft cloth in Armour-all and wipe the grime off. This not only cleans your fly line, but it lubes it up so it slides through the guides with ease. Ben Holmes Boulder, CO

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Hi Ben, Some manners, please?   A great many in this group fall into what you seem to think is an age group to insult.   Everybody is heading for that time of life.  Take a look forward, if you can. When you say you hope "he" doesn’t read this NG, you show that you realize you’re using a derisive term. How about if we all try to make the world, and especially the flyfishing world, a better world? If you appreciate what "he" taught you, why not call him "some nice old guy?" Regards, Jess – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some old fart (hope he doesn’t read this NG) here in Boulder taught me this one: When your line gets grungy and needs some TLC, soak a soft cloth in Armour-all and wipe the grime off. This not only cleans your fly line, but it lubes it up so it slides through the guides with ease. Ben Holmes Boulder, CO

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I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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Check out the St. Croix Products I Think For your money they rate up their with poles hundreds of $ more. — Larry D. Madison Life without Black would surely make White blind You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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Harrison River in British Columbia has lots of big (to 25lbs.), strong (I’ve broken at least one reel) salmon.  Chums are not great to eat, but for us catch & release people they can be fun.  Small pink marabou flies fished deep can be great.  Downstream from the bridge is a favorite spot. Help!  I’d really like more information on this fishery.  Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.  Thanks!  :-) P.S. Please E-MAIL me your response (I am usually out fishing, so I don’t have time to MONITOR this bulletin board…but email gets to me no problem).  Thanks K Lawson

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I’ve fished the Harrison for a number of years. You want chums try flour red or orange glo-bug yarn with a tinsel body. Dead drift with a type 4 sink tip. For a change of pace try cutts part on the east shore. More my style. I find the big dogs  (and if you’ve been fishing in BC as long as me you’d call them dogs) kind of boring after getting over the initial novelty of big fish on the fly. But lots of people enjoy these hard pulling fish and if that’s you’re cup of tea – you know where they are. Should continue into Nov. Try the chehalis just up the Morris Valley road by the Sasquatch Inn for mondo dogs and lots of coho. Good cutts in Dec and steelhead show in late Dec- Jan. Gets very crwoded tho’ Best of luck!

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Another good choice would be Crook’s Lake Lodge, a wilderness lodge site that offers fishing for giant brookies in either a river or lake environment.  Accessible by seaplane only from Goose Bay, Labrador.  I was there last summer and it was the experience of a lifetime.  These fish are big and receieve little to no fishing pressure.  Accommodationms are rustic and the guides are local "characters."

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My husband Dave returned from a fly-fishing show with a handful of flyers for camps in Labrador.  He was excited at the prospects of catching brook trout – his favorite – up to 8 pounds.   Do you have any experience with the following camps?   – Riverkeep Lodge, on the Atikonak River   – Coopers’ Minipi Camps   – Northern Lights Fishing Lodge   – Awesome Lake Lodge (in Newfoundland) Thanks for your help! -joanne- — Joanne LaCourse       GTE Laboratories, Waltham, Massachusetts

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I’m new to fly fishing. Been reading, watching videos, practicing casts in the yard. A local shop is hosting a Sage clinic next month. Anyone have experience with these clinics? Are they worthwhile for a beginner? Thanks, Barbara

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Barbara,    Yes absolutely!! Go for it!  It will save you years of trial and error and years of correcting bad habits.  Iteach fly fishing schools for Orvis on the West Coast and I wish these kind of schools had been around when I started!!  Usually they will provide the equipment for the class so you don’t have to (and shouldn’t) make a purchase until after you get some basic skills and can try out various rods to see which one feels best to you.  Casting a fly rod is not instinctive, but it is also not hard to learn.  Once you understand the dynamics of the cast it will make more sense.  As far as videos go in my opinion the Mel Krieger video "Essence of FlyCasting (vol. 1)" is the best.  If you haven’t seen it do so.  Keep at it.                                                           Good Fishing!                                                                     Dan

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: I’m new to fly fishing. Been reading, watching videos, practicing casts in : the yard. A local shop is hosting a Sage clinic next month. Anyone have : experience with these clinics? Are they worthwhile for a beginner?  Depends on who is teaching them. Sage usually hook up with decent local instructors (guides and the like) Where are you located? Most FF stores offer casting clinics of some kind – probably cheaper than one with the Sage name attached – Call around. tim

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I’m new to fly fishing. Been reading, watching videos, practicing casts in the yard. A local shop is hosting a Sage clinic next month. Anyone have experience with these clinics? Are they worthwhile for a beginner? Thanks, Barbara

I attended a Sage casting clinic in Santa Fe a few years back, and spent a hot afternoon practicing on a soccer field.  The instructors were good and, in my opinion, the clinic was well worth the $30 or $35 fee. Although casting is only a small part of fly fishing, good instruction is worth its weight in gold to a beginner. My only advice would be to bring along a lightweight glove– my casting hand was blistered at the end of the day!

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Does anyone know if you can fly to Karluk and just camp on the beach there and fish?  There is a lodge there; I wonder if they have any monopoly on fishing in the Karluk river. This is on the southwest coast of Kodiak Island, in Alaska. Appreciate any feedback anyone can give.  

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I would always be careful about camping on the beach in any location where there are substantial numbers of brown bears.  You can fly into Brooks River, for example, and camp in a USFS camp site as well as stay at the lodge.  But in the camp site, just a little way off the beach, all the food has to be cached.  And all the fish have to be cleaned in a single building, far away from the camp site. I’d check with locals on the available faciltiies at Karluk river.

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| | Does anyone know if you can fly to Karluk and just camp on the beach | there and fish?  There is a lodge there; I wonder if they have any | monopoly on fishing in the Karluk river. | Hello, I was on the Karluk for a week this fall. Drifted to the mouth and camped on the beach. There are bears (big bears !) and you do need to be careful. Limited cabins (primitive) are availble at Portage. The real monopoly if you want to call it that is access. Very interesting and productive river. Regards, Jeff

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