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I’m planning next year’s vacation in the Florida Keys.  I was there a few years ago.  We stayed at Boyd’s Campground on Stock Island, which is right next to Key West. That was a nice spot, but this time I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands.  Maybe somewhere around Marathon.  Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

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Try Knights Key, it should be listed in the camping directories. I have never stayed there but stopped by and it didn’t look to bad. Good Luck Rambler

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Bahia Honda State Park is Beautiful. Get your reservations early though. http://www.bahiahondapark.com/ Adk Keith

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The KOA at Fiesta Key (Marathon) is nice. The waterfront sites are awesome. Especially at sunset. The interior sites are very narrow. Streetside slideouts would hit your neighbors RV. — Regards, Jim –

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I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands.  Maybe somewhere around Marathon.  Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

Try John Pennacamp SP…nice with it’s own coral reef Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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Have stayed the past 3yrs at Sunshine Key resort–just over the 7mi bridge. Waterfront sites are nice, marina with boat dock right there, gas station right there, laundry, stuff for kids to do, movies, games etc. pool.  Park is pet friendly as well.

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<< You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park GB, That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page.  Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom

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I live in a great RV park in Fl. Inexpensive as I go 6mos on and off. I rented a car last Sept  instead of taking my MH as I was told it was hard to find a spot down there. Boy  was I glad I did. US1 from Homestead to Key West was the worst slowest drive I have ever taken :-( I’m not chicken either, I ‘v driven cross country in my MH with toad (even parked in downtown Houston). Try if you have a death wish!!  Hope I have done this right. This is my  first post

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<< You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park GB, That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page.  Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom

<http://www.kwcamp.com/winter14+daystay.htm You have to dig a little <grin. HD in NY

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That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page.  Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom You have to dig a little <grin.

Actually, they aren’t as high as I’d expected. Location, location, location…<g GB in NC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken

Key West definitely is not a good place for a large rig.  Unless you are military, I understand there is only one campground available, and it is not pleasant. About 10 miles north of KW is the state park Bahia Honda.  If you can get a site, that would be an excellent base camp. See my 2000-2 journal. — Carl A. http://pages.prodigy.net/chainnj/Journal.htm

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<< <http://www.kwcamp.com/winter14+daystay.htm You have to dig a little <grin. HD in NY Travel Trailer…$64.00  My hundred guess was a little high. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page.  Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom You have to dig a little <grin. Actually, they aren’t as high as I’d expected. Location, location, location…<g GB in NC

Well, ya gotta realize, those were 14 day rates and they came from the discounted rates section. I think for regular rates you need to fill out the questionnaire. Just for giggles, I checked the discount rate for 1 to 3 days, it’s a bit different <grin. <http://www.kwcamp.com/winter1-3daystay.htm HD in NY

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Two Christmas’ ago I checked and the price was $667.00 for one week, admittedly during the Christmas/New Year’s week.  Fortunately I qualify for military FAM camps and enjoyed a week’s stay at the Coast Guard station within walking distance to downtown at $9.00 per night. — Peace, Love and Serenity, Madeleine http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/madewar/ www.anticattic.com

: << You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park : : GB, : : That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we : talking less than a hundred? : : Tom :

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just spent 4 days at jabours over christmas.  104 a night  all taxes and extra for the kids.  it’s basically just a parking lot with hookups.  but you’re paying for where it’s at, not what it looks like. b

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I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken — Beck Hopkins, KA9EFE  |  Red Cross & FEMA Disaster Workers

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Are there plenty of campgrounds?

Some, yes; plenty, no. How horrible is the traffic?

It’s not nearly as bad driving from somewhere TO there as it is to find a parking place after you GET there. The streets are narrow and crowded, and real estate is at a premium, so very little of it is used for parking. BTW, the drive down from Miami is absolutely spectacular. You’ll cross countless bridges, some of which are quite long, and the views out over the ocean are something you will never forget. Take your time and enjoy the ride — you can’t hurry anyway because of the congestion and the low speed limits. Be warned: US 1 down the Keys is NOT an expressway. Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West?

That depends on whether you want to hassle with parking every day when you drive into KW. (See above.) You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park (you can find their web site with a Google search), which is in downtown KW and within walking distance of almost everything. That way you can park your rig and not have to drive again. It’s crowded and tucked into what looks like a back alley, but it’s a nice place and very well maintained (and safe). Note: You will pay dearly for this convenience, just like you will pay for anything you get in KW. OTOH, if you stay farther up the Keys you will also pay dearly in the hassle of finding a parking place every day when you get to KW. Either way you pay. Not to say it’s not worth it, just be ready for sticker shock. KW is not a cheap place to visit at any time of the year. Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc.

They are "outrageous" (all things are relative) at any time, but worth it if you want to see KW. We’ve been there twice, some years ago, and will go again at some point when time permits. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions.

You’re welcome. Drive safely. GB in NC

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If you are eligible to use military facilities, NAS Key West has a campground on the Bay.  Take a taxi on base to KW proper and walk or rent a bike. As GDinNC says, watch your speed,  the Sheriff and Florida HP patrol and give tickets. RVC USMC (Ret)

I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this

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The last time I was in the Keys, it was about $65- a night, and was not even Key West. — Ted Harris http://www.tedharris.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken — Beck Hopkins, KA9EFE  |  Red Cross & FEMA Disaster Workers

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… walk or rent a bike.

Good point. When we were there we didn’t move our camper at all, once we parked it on our "campsite" (I admit I’m using that term loosely — Jabour’s is not a traditional campground in the scenic, wooded sense <g). We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself. Anything you want to see elsewhere on the Keys, you can see on your way down or back up. In fact, I’d suggest taking notes on the drive down and then you’ll know how much time (if any, depending on your interests) to allow for stops on the way back up. GB in NC

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We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself.

Don’t know if its still there, but you used to be able to get an all day ticket and get on and off the "Conch Train" one of those tourist trolly things.  That could save a little hoofing.  It’s a fun tour, too. It went past the cemetery which is the only one that lets you be buried with your pets. The chamber of commerce has an excellent walking tour, IIRC.   Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Yup, both are still available.  Walking tours are really great! RVC

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself. Don’t know if its still there, but you used to be able to get an all day ticket and get on and off the "Conch Train" one of those tourist trolly things. That could save a little hoofing.  It’s a fun tour, too. It went past the cemetery which is the only one that lets you be buried with your pets. The chamber of commerce has an excellent walking tour, IIRC. Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Yup, both are still available.  Walking tours are really great!

As are the sunset parties and the oysters! Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Blue Water Key RV resort about 15 miles from Key West is small (65 sites) quite with nice pool.  Reserve early, can be expensive.

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Anyone know a good Keys campground for the Xmas Holidays? Interested in swimming and eating, and if at all possible, privacy and quiet. Scout

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Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all? 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys? 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other? 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.? 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see? 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid? 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing? 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

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Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all?

No way. You haven’t seen *anything* until you’ve seen Key West. Definitely go all the way down. 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys?

Absolutely. The drive itself is worth it. The scenery is spectacular and like nothing you will see anywhere else. Any number of long, high bridges over the ocean, connecting the little islands. 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other?

Don’t know about this time of year. Always expect tourist traffic, though, and don’t be in a hurry. You’ll go through any number of congested areas. US 1 down the Keys is *not* an expressway. You’ll be driving at slower speeds than you’re used to driving on a major highway. 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.?

Don’t know. There weren’t when we were there a few years ago. 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see?

Hemingway’s house is an interesting tour. Mel Fisher’s museum of recovered shipwreck treasures is worth the time, IMO. Be sure to walk down Duval Street (where all the bars are) for people-watching. There are some really different-looking people there. <g And be sure to be at Mallory Square (the docks) at sunset for a crazy time, with lots of street performers and counter-culture types having a good ol’ time. 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid?

Everything is expensive (location, location, location) — but you can’t avoid it, so don’t worry about it. 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing?

No. Not without rushing. And you wouldn’t have time to see anything once you got there. Besides, you need to be there at sunset (see above). 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean.

Nothing will seem "reasonably priced." But it’s worth it, especially for one night. We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC

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Here is a short list of some of the camping facilities:

<snipped  I think the extensive list of URL’s probably busted his cell phone minute budget.  Lon & Carolyn, find an RV park not too far away and just go for it!  Report back on the sunsets and of, course, the food. If the guy on the lake is still offering parasailing, do that, too. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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We’ve been down several times and find all the responses to this thread to be relevant. Whilst in Key West, we stay at the Fairfield Inn and use the trolly.

Yes!  We all forgot to tell Lon that taking a ride on the *Conch Train* is a must do.  The chamber of commerce in the heart of town used to have a free walking tour map, too, that was very nice if yo are in to architecture. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

I love the raw oysters down there, but Lon is a Michigan boy and, from my experience they aren’t crazy about raw shellfish .   They make this drink on the upper Keys called a rum runner which is awesome. You sit on the porch overlooking the Gulf of Mexico and watch the sun extinquish itself in the Gulf.  You almost expcet to hear a hiss and see steam.  It’s much quieter than the sunset parties on Key West, but a pleasant and memorable experience. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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Yes, but I have faith that Lon will not turn into a liberal. Tom M

LOL Your faith is justified. Lon

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Jim An Old Parrot Head, In the Conch Republic, Just South of Reality PS: One of these days I will have a BlueBird,, until them I read & learn here daily….

Thanks for all the links, but I connect via cell phone. Thankfully, most of the campground are covered pretty well in our directories. Add that to the fact Good luck with that BlueBird. If money were no object, I’d swallow hard and tolerate the diesel smell and noise to have one. After touring the factory, I can’t imagine any unit being built stronger. Lon

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For kicks, look over at the old and crumbling Bahia Honda bridge which parallels Seven Mile, or walk out on it to fish and think of what driving that must have been like.

Many a truck had their mirrors knocked off going across that old bridge when they passed each other. If you like fish be sure to get a fried grouper sandwich at the 7 mile grill on the north side of the bridge. Great! Dennis

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Maybe this will change your mind about Key West. I absolutely love going there – and I am a liberal. It is the only true tropical weather in the continental USA (no daily average temperature below 32 degrees). It has all of the tropical plants that go with that climate. Add historic buildings – add beaches – plenty of shops and restaurants – championship sports fishing – golf – sailboat as sunset – circus cats – manmade land of coral – beautiful blue waters – sunsets – snorkeling – flying to fort jefferson – the Cuban adventure – refugees in little boats made of inner tubes and sapplings – light houses – salvaging on the reefs – gold coins from Spanish galleons – Flaglers railroad bridges  - Duval St – museums in forts – perfectly flat bicycling – mopeds – scooters – tour ships – first class hotels – bed and breakfasts made from mahogany from old ships – old homes – the conch train – Audabon home – Hemmingway home and cats – artistic community – college kids at spring breaks – drunks – bikinis – rainbow flags – driving down route 1 to its end – and the strong presence of the gay community.

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

Will do, Larrie. Thanks for the tip. Lon

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Lon 1st, if you don’t get accommodations in the Keys,,, at least get something in the Homestead area.. This time a year we are a bit full of snow birds, so your drive from Florida City to Key West can take a couple hours,,, it’s only 127 miles,, but also only one road,,, US 1,,, not a lot of traffic lights,, but few passing areas.. Here is the FAQ maintained by the crowd on the Florida Sportsman Fishing Forum: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=100907 It is full of everything you need to know,, from accommodations, to weather, fishing seasons, guide services, flora & fauna.. You should try one of our State parks,, either Long Key or Bahia Honda,, the later is only 33 miles from Key West.  There are also several KOA’s and other parks that can accommodate the biggest of the pushers… Here is a short list of some of the camping facilities: Sugarloaf KOA – http://floridakeys.net/koasugarloaf Fiesta Key KOA – http://floridakeys.net/koafiesta Dry Tortugas National Park – http://www.dry.tortugas.nation…g.htm Sunshine Key Encore Campground – http://www.encorerv.com/unique…n.htm Long Key State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp Bahia Honda State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp John Pennekamp State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp Knights Key Campground – http://www.seefloridaonline.co…athon You are a little late for the annual debauchery,,, we have a party at the end of October called Fantasy Fest,, based loosely on Halloween,, very similar to New Orleans’s Marti Gras,,, rather than use Ash Wednesday, we use All Saints Day,,, We encourage parents not to bring the KIDS,,, nufff said??? GB in NC hit your Q’s well,,, Here are a couple other web sites that may be of interest: http://www.fantasyfest.net/   << the official site http://www.bigeasychoppers.com/festival1.html   <<<< some pictures for the strong of hart If you fly fish,, here is a note I wrote a while back that address wade fishing: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=95444 Good Luck,, Jim An Old Parrot Head, In the Conch Republic, Just South of Reality PS: One of these days I will have a BlueBird,, until them I read & learn here daily….

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There are Campgrounds in the Keys.. Why not just take the rig? Yes , it’s crowded down here at this time of year, but that never seems to stop anyone.

Neither of us particularly like "crowded", and would avoid the keys entirely for that reason were it not for all the great things we have heard about it. I want to see it, but don’t want to stay long. It just doesn’t make sense to either of us to drive the MH 500 miles round trip to spend one night in it. Logically, since campgrounds generally cost $50/night on the keys, we figure we can spend up to $200 on a motel and food, and still be money ahead of the game. Besides, we’ve only spent 3 nights in the last 16 months which weren’t in the MH. It’ll be like a mini vacation. <g Also, don’t worry about food, there are great restaurants every where. Take your time (It’s only one road in and out.), see the sights (Sunrise while driving over the Long Key Bridge is one of my favorites ), and enjoy. BTW – Pennekamp state Park is in Key Largo.

What are the odds of getting in next week without a reservation? Lon

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<< We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC I agree with everything GB said.  It’s one corner of this country.  You have to be there at least once. Tom M

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PS we have made the grade!!!  Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year.

Congratulations. Vote early and often. <G Lon

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<< We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC I agree with everything GB said.  It’s one corner of this country.  You have to be there at least once. Tom M

You do know that Key West is the *real* margaritaville? Janet, ruining her reputation <g The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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PS we have made the grade!!!  Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year. Congratulations. Vote early and often. <G Lon

Thanks Lon, we are very happy with our new status. regards to Carolyn from Carol and I Aubrey

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<< I agree with everything GB said.  It’s one corner of this country.  You have to be there at least once. Tom M

You do know that Key West is the *real* margaritaville? Yes, but I have faith that Lon will not turn into a liberal. Tom M

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Is it worth the trip?  Absolutely, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the Country.  Who knows, you may like it so much you never leave.  Happened to me, and I stayed for fifteen years. Canoli

Thanks a bunch, Canoli…and everyone else who responded. That should keep us busy and expose us to just the _right_ amount of trouble. <g Lon

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8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

We’ve been down several times and find all the responses to this thread to be relevant. Whilst in Key West, we stay at the Fairfield Inn and use the trolly. Don’t miss sundown on the pier! Peter & Anne-Marie Arnold Windsor, CT ‘95 F250 W/PSD {156 Kmi} 31 Ft Prowler Fifth Wheel NCT # 13390, The Masonic Campers

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There are Campgrounds in the Keys.. Why not just take the rig? Yes , it’s crowded down here at this time of year, but that never seems to stop anyone. Also, don’t worry about food, there are great restaurants every where. Take your time (It’s only one road in and out.), see the sights (Sunrise while driving over the Long Key Bridge is one of my favorites ), and enjoy. BTW – Pennekamp state Park is in Key Largo.

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Is it worth the trip?  Absolutely, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the Country.  Who knows, you may like it so much you never leave.  Happened to me, and I stayed for fifteen years.

What did you find to do for a living down there? John

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 Hello, http://www.kwcamp.com/  (Key West) http://www.aokl.com/      (Key Largo)  Great 2 campgrounds, we prefer Key Largo with private beach, great sunsets,  Ardyno

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

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Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all?

Yeah, you might as well go Miami and take in the sights in Liberty City. 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the

keys? It is 128 miles from Homestead to Key West 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other?

It will depend on how many morons like you, decide to kill themselves on the highway on that particular day. 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays,

etc.? Every other block, there is a red light 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see?

The Gae Bois in Key West. 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid?

The Gae Bois in Key West. 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing?

Depends on how many speeding tickets you feel comfortable with. 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean.

The Mamma Jamma Inn on MLK Blvd in Liesure City. Don’t waste your time going if you want to drive to Key West and back in a day.  Disney world sounds like it would be more your speed.  If you do decide to go, the troopers always have their eyes open for out of state speeders. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all? 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys? 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other? 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.? 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see? 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid? 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing? 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

Hi Lon, We did that Key West thing about two years ago. We parked at a Casino near Homestead and spent a night parked there  and asked them the next morning if we could leave the RV parked with them. They didnt mind so we motored down by car. It was a long drive but worth it. There are touristy things to see along the way and the part I found interesting was looking out to sea, in a S.E direction to  Cuba ,apparently 90 mi away. (According to the sign they have put up) We also stayed at a state campground and went out  to sea in a  glass bottom boat. That was "cool" Do the trip, you will enjoy it. Regards PS we have made the grade!!!  Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year.

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I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

I see it directly.  I just changed my ISP because of dropped messages and other newsgroups problems.

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I saw it.                   Tom L

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[This followup was posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and a copy was sent to the cited author.] Saw it here. I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

– Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon

I saw it.  Didn

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I may be flying into Asheville, North Carolina and driving to Greeneville, Tennessee, so I would appreciate any suggestions for cold water flyfishing Close to these places. Thanks, Jim Barna

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I may be flying into Asheville, North Carolina and driving to Greeneville, Tennessee, so I would appreciate any suggestions for cold water flyfishing Close to these places. Thanks, Jim Barna

Jim, There is said to be 4000 miles (and I’m doing my darndest to fish every mile) of trout waters in NC…. it’s kinda like take your pick. Here’s a good informational link run by a fishin’ bud. http://www.wnctrout.com Tight lines, Walt — Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-2.html

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Thanks Walt! Jim Barna

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I may be flying into Asheville, North Carolina and driving to Greeneville, Tennessee, so I would appreciate any suggestions for cold water flyfishing Close to these places. Thanks, Jim Barna Jim, There is said to be 4000 miles (and I’m doing my darndest to fish every mile) of trout waters in NC…. it’s kinda like take your pick. Here’s a good informational link run by a fishin’ bud. http://www.wnctrout.com Tight lines, Walt — Walter G. Winter Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-2.html

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymphs; Where To Order?

Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymphs; Where To Order?

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Hello: Thought I might try some  [Whitlock] Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymphs,  which was suggested. Can’t seem to find any listed among my 2000 cat. collection. Anybody know of any mail order cat’s that offer them? Thanks, Bob

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Cabela’s Joel Axelrad

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Hello: Thought I might try some  [Whitlock] Red Fox Squirrel-Hair Nymphs,  which was suggested. Can’t seem to find any listed among my 2000 cat. collection. Anybody know of any mail order cat’s that offer them? Thanks, Bob

Also try: KBE FLYFISHING COMPANY www.flyfishingflies.com Joel Axelrad

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I got a postcard from them saying the newsletter was stopped, but they were going to do articles on the website.  If the website is down the SAA is pretty much gone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Let’s be truthful about the SAA.  I was a member if you could call it that.  I donated twenty dollars to get mailings.  There was no formal membership, just a mailing list.  If someone wanted to write some articles and someone wanted to print it it happened.  It was a volunteer organization not much different than any  of the mail lists we are on except that it took donations and used to cover mailing costs.  that is the only difference.  It had some mailings. Remember Paul said he was too tired to start a new EAA all over again. So since there was not much there to begin with except the spirit of those interested.  If the spirit still exists then SAA still exists.  No need to complicate or overstate anything.  Except for the fact that the website is down nothing new or different is happening. The website has been down for a long while and it was not much substance anyway.  Just a few pages by volunteer web developer. So lets be realistic guys and dont blow this out of proportion. Before you buy.

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I got a postcard from them saying the newsletter was stopped, but they were going to do articles on the website.  If the website is down the SAA is pretty much gone.

The fancy magazine was stopped.  One member supported it.  However, the newsletter was NOT stopped.  I got an issue not long ago.  I expect to see Paul at Blakesburg the end of the month.  I will ask him how it is going.  Actually there were some pretty active volunteers who were out signing folks up.   I signed up early on at Blakesburg, leaning on the fence in front of the Groundloop Lounge talking to Paul one year.  That is how I got the number 88! :-) — HighFlyer Highflight Aviation Services

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Let’s be truthful about the SAA.  I was a member if you could call it that.  I donated twenty dollars to get mailings.  There was no formal membership, just a mailing list.  If someone wanted to write some articles and someone wanted to print it it happened.  It was a volunteer organization not much different than any  of the mail lists we are on except that it took donations and used to cover mailing costs.  that is the only difference.  It had some mailings. Remember Paul said he was too tired to start a new EAA all over again. So since there was not much there to begin with except the spirit of those interested.  If the spirit still exists then SAA still exists.  No need to complicate or overstate anything.  Except for the fact that the website is down nothing new or different is happening. The website has been down for a long while and it was not much substance anyway.  Just a few pages by volunteer web developer. So lets be realistic guys and dont blow this out of proportion. Before you buy.

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I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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Eh? I just got my June issue of TO FLY from SAA and there was no mention of disolving.  I’ll keep following it as there should be a gathering of SAA members at the AAA fly-in in September in Ottumwa, Iowa. –Scott– 1986 Corben Junior Ace N3642 http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ RV-4 under construction (tail feathers) Gotta Fly or Gonna Die! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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That was a direct copy of the note HQ sent to me…. So what’s the story from Paul P? Can we still join? — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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   How do we join?    GyroMike    http://www.geocities.com/gyromike Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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So what is the URL of SAA?? Seems that the people that "Belong" would be willing to tell in the post, as that was what the question was, not if you recieved your subscription. We KNOW EAA is not going to tell us the URL. As EAA has a publication called Sport Aviation it seems the names are a little to close for comfort. I would think EAA would squelch the name and considering who is supposed to be running it I find it unlikely he would pick a name that close.  Anyone can use any name they want for  .com and who is to know better. Could someone be fishing for input from EAA and ex EAA members on what they would like to see changed in anticipation of a possible "New" EAA division?? John "Flying …. Just about the most fun you can have and still keep your clothes on"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Eh? I just got my June issue of TO FLY from SAA and there was no mention of disolving.  I’ll keep following it as there should be a gathering of SAA members at the AAA fly-in in September in Ottumwa, Iowa. –Scott– 1986 Corben Junior Ace N3642 http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ RV-4 under construction (tail feathers) Gotta Fly or Gonna Die! I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01 —

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So, while I’m typing search engine is working. http://www.sportaviation.org/ Unfortunately the web site is closed.. John "Flying …. Just about the most fun you can have and still keep your clothes on"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what is the URL of SAA?? Seems that the people that "Belong" would be willing to tell in the post, as that was what the question was, not if you recieved your subscription. We KNOW EAA is not going to tell us the URL. As EAA has a publication called Sport Aviation it seems the names are a little to close for comfort. I would think EAA would squelch the name and considering who is supposed to be running it I find it unlikely he would pick a name that close.  Anyone can use any name they want for  .com and who is to know better. Could someone be fishing for input from EAA and ex EAA members on what they would like to see changed in anticipation of a possible "New" EAA division?? John "Flying …. Just about the most fun you can have and still keep your clothes on" Eh? I just got my June issue of TO FLY from SAA and there was no mention of disolving.  I’ll keep following it as there should be a gathering of SAA members at the AAA fly-in in September in Ottumwa, Iowa. –Scott– 1986 Corben Junior Ace N3642 http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ RV-4 under construction (tail feathers) Gotta Fly or Gonna Die! I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01 —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I asked HQ about SAA and received this in return: Richard: The Sport Aviation Association has dissolved.  If you would like more information on EAA it can be found at www.eaa.org. Thank you for your interest,    xxxxxxxxxx Membership Services — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

The SAA meeting at OSH was on July 31 and was attended by 200 people, according to an email I got from the Colonel on Aug 3. No mention of dissolution in his message. Before you buy.

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I’m starting to think there are some internal politics involved here… — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

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I’m starting to think there are some internal politics involved here… — Richard Lamb — http://www.flash.net/~lamb01

Well, the web site did mention a need for new material. Probably have as much trouble soliciting articles as I have. — Bruce A. Frank, Editor               "Ford 3.8/4.2L Engine and V-6 STOL BAFRANK(at)worldnet.att.net              Homebuilt Aircraft Newsletter"                                  | Publishing interesting material|                                  | on all aspects of alternative  |                                  | engines and homebuilt aircraft.|                (-o-)/        AIRCRAFT PROJECTS CO.                 ___/           Manufacturing parts & pieces                 /             for homebuilt aircraft,                0     0          TIG welding While trying to find the time to finish mine.

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Denver TU – Arkansas R. Caddis Hatch Info.

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Howdy folks!!! What:           Free Presentation on Flyfishing the Arkansas River during the Mother’s Day Caddis Hatch Who:            Matt and Chris Brown of Browner’s Guide Service in Salida, Colorado. Where:          The Trout Unlimited/Wild Trout Chapter’s April                 meeting at the Best Western Landmark Inn,                         455 S. Colorado Blvd. (Colorado Blvd.                         & North Cherry Creek Drive) When:           Wednesday, April 22nd at 6:30 pm Come here Matt and Chris tell us how, when and where to catch the big ones. Then hang around to swap stories and tips with other local anglers. at 832-4600.

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Greetings TU members from Wisconsin.  Just saying hi!  Our fishing opener starts tomorrow. Larry Seiler http://cwinc.net/larryseiler 1998 Wis Inland Trout Stamp Design Competition winner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy folks!!! What:      Free Presentation on Flyfishing the Arkansas River during the Mother’s Day Caddis Hatch Who:       Matt and Chris Brown of Browner’s Guide Service in Salida, Colorado. Where:     The Trout Unlimited/Wild Trout Chapter’s April                    meeting at the Best Western Landmark Inn,                    455 S. Colorado Blvd. (Colorado Blvd.                    & North Cherry Creek Drive) When:              Wednesday, April 22nd at 6:30 pm Come here Matt and Chris tell us how, when and where to catch the big ones. Then hang around to swap stories and tips with other local anglers. Lopez at 832-4600.

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Tying Group

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Lost set up, hard drive kaput. need name of the usenet fly tying group. Any help appreciated. —  *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *       *  *  Skip Summer             From somewhere in the Huron River, *  *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *       *

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Lost set up, hard drive kaput. need name of the usenet fly tying group. Any help appreciated.

rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — Charlie…

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Warmwater Fly Fishing Newsletter

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I publish a warmwater newsletter called "Jack Ellis’ Reflections on the Pond".  We try to cover everything the warmwater angler needs from fly patterns to philosphy.  I’ll be happy to send free samples and subscription info to anybody who wants it.  All you have to do is e-mail me your Postal (snail mail) address.                                         Brian Shivers

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I publish a warmwater newsletter called "Jack Ellis’ Reflections on the Pond".  We try to cover everything the warmwater angler needs from fly patterns to philosphy.  I’ll be happy to send free samples and subscription info to anybody who wants it.  All you have to do is e-mail me your Postal (snail mail) address.                                         Brian Shivers

Explain "Warmwater"… Mike

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To will@epix.net – Please mind your own business – Get a life!!

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Quit bothering other posters! LIVE & LET LIVE CONEHEAD!

Now, you really fit the wierdo category. Will has been a good source of information, with his extensive RVing experience. What are your experiences ???? Anthony & Loretta                    "Don’t regret getting older Retired in Largo, Florida             many are denied the privilege"

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Quit bothering other posters! LIVE & LET LIVE CONEHEAD!

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: Quit bothering other posters! : LIVE & LET LIVE CONEHEAD!  I have to agree with this also. He also gave me some crap via  E-mail.  Ike Grill  Cadott,WI

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I don’t know.  Will is certainly opinionated, but at least he will take a stand.  I don’t always agree with him, he sort of flamed me once for answering someone’s question on a subject not related to rving, but everything must be taken in context.  On the flyfishing newsgroup, we had an individual by the name of Tim Walker who said such rediculous things that would Will seem tame.  One day he got tired of being flamed and just disappeared.  Again, I usually didn’t agree with him, but he sure knew how to start and maintain a discussion. Will, don’t let em get you down. Jim Browder

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Quit bothering other posters! LIVE & LET LIVE CONEHEAD! Now, you really fit the wierdo category. Will has been a good source of information, with his extensive RVing experience. What are your experiences ???? Anthony & Loretta                    "Don’t regret getting older Retired in Largo, Florida             many are denied the privilege"

I second that and Amen. If you have something to contribute, do so! Otherwise, BUTT OUT and get a life Toni!! Dan

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Prodigy@ and AOL Chat Line and Conference Rooms

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on Thanks Fishing the Green in Utah

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on.

You might consider getting in contact with Alan Dechovitz on AOL, his handle is Caribe Duo. He already runs two nets a month. Currently they are held on the first tuesday and third sunday on each month. He is expanding the net to include guest speakers for Febuary and March. See ya, Bob

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INTERESTED

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I am on AOL. My screen name is Fishingfly. From S.E. Idaho. I am very interested in a chat. Also holding Eastern Idaho fly tying expo in Pocatello on April 8 at the Quality Inn. 70 top tyers from the west  

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interested in this

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I am AOL my screen name is Fishingfly. My name is Chuck Collins. I am from Pocatello, Idaho. Would be interested in Chat.

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Hi E.- I’m currently on Compuserve and AOL in a comparison mode.  My current thinking is AOl between the two but I am seriously condidering Internet instead of either of them.  Cheaper for me thru the U of Minn connection. However, I am always interested in talking flyfishing and I may stay with AOL.  CIS is just too damned expensive  -  almost twice the hourly cost for chat lines or BBS’s. I’ll be watching to see if you get something going. John Bjostad in Mpls

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Prefer CompuServe.

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Im interested my screen name is VinceT1027 contact me on AOL!!!

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sounds like a good idea let me know if it gets going

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im interested. im a ff. i sub to aol.

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i work for mk.  i am in seattle. im a ff. i would very much like a chat line in aol.  i am learning ff.

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An AOL chat line sounds good to me. You can get a rise out of me at tight lines! the bobinator   The Bobinator

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Yes This would be great so that we could pass informatiom around on where it is hot and where it is not.

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I’m interested, MG caddis

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I’m definitely interested. On AOL.  From MA.  Both fresh and salywater flyfishing.  Let me Know how it works out.                                                              Feltsole

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Ready any evening.

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on.

As a subscriber of prodigy, please enter my interest in a bb or chat – great idea!

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I would really enjoy a conference room on AOL. Contact me when something develops. Thanks, PresG

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My screen name is DON1RENO I am interested in a room and maybe holding some seminars or workshops online for those hideous nights after work

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For all who wanted a Chat Room. AOL Keyword GS OTHER, Enter "Other Sports", highlight Chat Rooms, Choose Sports Rooms and then enter "Sideline" I’m not real sure what goes on in sidelines, but lets meet there Sat. evening at around 9:00PM EST. If need be, maybe we’ll just have to take it over for awhile. I want to thank all of you for your help and support in this, I’ve had about 40 replys. Thjanks

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Tight Lines and Screaming Reels Southern Style! Let me know Phil B.

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MartinR100 at AOL, would be interested.

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you got a rise out of me. i would like to be able to have real-time conversations on aol with persons who are hooked on flyfishing like me. stan in ca stan in ca

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