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I feel so….used…

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They’re not as nice as ostritch.

Sure, a simple question simply answered, and right away somebody has to go technical!      :) Wolfgang who knows that’s it’s really a matter of how much ya got to cover.

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Hey, I think Don might have had an ulterior motive for the question about emu feathers – he’s got them for sale on that www.canflyfish.com.au website!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They’re not as nice as ostritch.     and not remotely as rare as mu feathers, which are located only in semi-baja california, and are extracted at great risk to the collector. yfitons wayno Any fly tyers out there tried Emu Feathers? Yep. Wolfgang anybody else?

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Any fly tyers out there tried Emu Feathers? — Don Cantrell Cantrell Fly Fishing http://www.canflyfish.com.au Hand crafted flies, and selected fly tying materials

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Any fly tyers out there tried Emu Feathers?

Yep. Wolfgang anybody else?

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They’re not as nice as ostritch.

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They’re not as nice as ostritch.

    and not remotely as rare as mu feathers, which are located only in semi-baja california, and are extracted at great risk to the collector. yfitons wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any fly tyers out there tried Emu Feathers? Yep. Wolfgang anybody else?

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I know this isn’t the right group to post this on, but I’m too impatient to go through the hassle of subscribing to another newsgroup just for one (for now) question.  And a lot of you do regreational flying, so might be more familiar with this issue. I have read FAR 73 here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr73_00.html and cannot find where it describes, specifies, or even implies what sorts of areas are restricted or prohibited.  Am I missing something? This came up in a discussion at work on fishing remote lakes.  The fisherman in question thinks it’s illegal to fly in to certain remote lakes, say in designated wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, National parks, etc.  I think he’s right, but where can I see what specifically is allowed, and what areas specifically are restricted or prohibited? David

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That information is depicted graphically on the aviation charts, and temporary restrictions are published in the NOTAMS (notices to airmen). Best regards, Rob Housman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know this isn’t the right group to post this on, but I’m too impatient to go through the hassle of subscribing to another newsgroup just for one (for now) question.  And a lot of you do regreational flying, so might be more familiar with this issue. I have read FAR 73 here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr73_00.html and cannot find where it describes, specifies, or even implies what sorts of areas are restricted or prohibited.  Am I missing something? This came up in a discussion at work on fishing remote lakes.  The fisherman in question thinks it’s illegal to fly in to certain remote lakes, say in designated wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, National parks, etc.  I think he’s right, but where can I see what specifically is allowed, and what areas specifically are restricted or prohibited? David

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Check with the manageing agency for the area you want to fly into.  The BLM, Forest Service, etc.  These governmental agencies set the regs for use within their holdings.  I don’t think the FAA has an interest in your question. To partially answer though, no motorized vehicles or even bicycles are allowed in designated USFS wilderness areas.  This would include aircraft landing or taking off.  Some refuges are restricted, some aren’t, an example being some located in Alaska.  Anyway, for specific restrictions, check with the managment.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know this isn’t the right group to post this on, but I’m too impatient to go through the hassle of subscribing to another newsgroup just for one (for now) question.  And a lot of you do regreational flying, so might be more familiar with this issue. I have read FAR 73 here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_14/14cfr73_00.html and cannot find where it describes, specifies, or even implies what sorts of areas are restricted or prohibited.  Am I missing something? This came up in a discussion at work on fishing remote lakes.  The fisherman in question thinks it’s illegal to fly in to certain remote lakes, say in designated wilderness areas, wildlife refuges, National parks, etc.  I think he’s right, but where can I see what specifically is allowed, and what areas specifically are restricted or prohibited? David

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And, there are plenty of obnoxious people who aren’t wealthy. Snoop

Is it really necessary or proper to talk about me behind my back in a public forum? Op

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Nothing funny about that IMO.

I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer. — Charlie…

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  I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.

I’m jealous! Usually, I get over there for a few days this time of year, but it doesn’t look like I’ll make it this spring. I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water.

I’ll occassionally use a parachute-style with a flourescent orange post. You might be surprised. There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long.

Streamers. Big, ugly, heavy streamers… on a sink-tip…swinging and stripping….swing and stripping (could be new lines for another song, Warren) We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out.

You gotta love Polly’s! A great place to eat…..and probably the only place in the state where they’d look at you funny if you WEREN’T wearing waders. I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish. Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:)

There is NOTHING more frustrating than to have fish slurping away in front of you and your people just CANNOT put it together to get the fly past the oar. AAARRRGGGHHH! On a side note: Did they all have on the big "hair ball" "bazooka blobs" "exploding fireworks" kinda strike indicators that you can see for a gazillion feet??? — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno 406-626-4022

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I’ll occassionally use a parachute-style with a flourescent orange post. You might be surprised.

  Good idea.  I should have thought of that.  I did have one fish come close to taking my flor. green strike indicator.  I’ll give it a try next time I go. You gotta love Polly’s! A great place to eat…..and probably the only place in the state where they’d look at you funny if you WEREN’T wearing waders.

  I like it because it’s a cheap place to stay in the off season.  The food’s pretty good, too, but a little overpriced.  I had the steak sandwich Wed. night.  It was really good but didn’t "sit well" and I was up half the night.  Meat tenderizer?  The really cheap rooms at the cafe were booked so Kevin and I got the trailer.  That costs $36.00/head but it was nice and roomy.  I think you could sleep 8 or 9 people there but I’ll bet they close it up and winterize for the off season. On a side note: Did they all have on the big "hair ball" "bazooka blobs" "exploding fireworks" kinda strike indicators that you can see for a gazillion feet???

  Yes, there were quite a few of those on the river.  I tried them once and didn’t like them.  I use the larger foam floats with the slit down the side and a piece of rubber through the center.  They seem to cast better for me, are easily adjustable and always float.  What’s the deal with the giant fluff balls?  No wonder so many people have trouble casting in the wind.  Wouldn’t they get along better with the more streamlined floats?   Also, as a guide, do you have any humorous stories to tell?  I think most guides must earn every penny.  Looks like a tough life to me.  Also looks like a good way to turn an enjoyable hobby into drudgery. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer.

Well, whatever floats your boat there Charlie.

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Well, whatever floats your boat there Charlie.

I don’t think it’s my boat that’s bothering you… — Charlie…

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Nothing funny about that IMO. I didn’t say *you* would think it was funny. <g But I do. Kind of like moving to a whorehouse to be around pretty girls – you have to put up with the occasional customer.

As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny.  What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists.  What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did. JR

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As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny.  What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists.  What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.

You should see how annoyed the whorehouses get under similar circumstances ! TL MC

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As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny.  What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists.  What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.

That’s funny. How about it, Warren? Do you have a come back? (I’m saying that as an unapologetic, recent, fair-weather Idaho transplant.) Where do you live, JR? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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 What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did.

Yep. I hope to share that feeling about someplace, someday. <g — Charlie…

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Where do you live, JR?

Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana. JR

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As one of the very people you described (first visited here for the fishing and camping, then moved here for the fishing and camping), I agree with you that it’s funny.  What’s even funnier is that we don’t really mind the tourists, despite our griping, as long as they remain tourists.  What really, really, really annoys us is when they want move here like we did. You should see how annoyed the whorehouses get under similar circumstances !

I dunno, amateur night at the local is always an " uplifting " experience. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TL MC

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That’s funny. How about it, Warren? Do you have a come back? (I’m saying that as an unapologetic, recent, fair-weather Idaho transplant.)

Yeah I have a come back.  You got to draw the line somewhere so I move that we start with RW. ~ Seriously though, JR is right to some degree.  When you move somewhere and become accustomed to a certain quality of living, you have to do what you can to protect it.  If I moved to an area because it was remote, had everything that I wanted and the very reasons why I moved here were threatened due to overcrowding, you better believe I am going to bitch when things start getting crowded. Most of it isn’t so much the number of people but the quality around here. Californians are equated as being liberal tree huggers who want their 20 acre "ranch" along the river and despise the stream access laws.  It is somewhat true, but there are a lot of people from back East who are far worse in my experiences.  It is a more a quality of the people coming issue. Natives don’t give me any crap for being an ex resident of California because I hold many of the same views as they do and am not a threat to the quality of life. Now that I am a resident and have been for several years, am bound to this valley by blood that I cannot leave, I am somewhat trapped.  I do not make any money off tourism and never have.  Tourists decend in hoards upon the rivers that I fish year around and force me to either brave the masses or fish somewhere else.  It doesn’t bother me too much because I don’t go the rivers where I feel like I can’t fish.  I have plenty of places to fish, even on the crowded rivers, that see fewer people. In some areas it is a problem and that isn’t just me saying that.  That is the opinion of users of the resources when polled by the DFW.  The Beaverhead is a prime example of that.  I think I told the story about how I was there opening day last year and the place was so crowded you couldn’t even find a campsite.  Two Montana plates, the rest from out of state. My take on this, and Charlie can laugh if he wants to, is that I am a resident.  I pay taxes here, I live here, the water was deeded over to the state by the federal government (if you need legal citings, I can provide them).  It is property of the state, not the union.  Our state Constitution is not applicable to residents of other states in regards to property.  Just like you don’t go by Montana property laws if you live outside of Montana and we don’t go by other state’s laws.  Being a resident and being governed by the state Constitution and the laws of Montana, I should have a greater right to the water than someone from out of state.  It is a right under our Constitution, BTW. I am not calling for an outright ban on out of state anglers or anything like that, just some limits so that residents of this state can enjoy what is theirs once in a while.  I was hoping they were going to either give river permits on a limited basis on crowded waters to out of state anglers, or set aside certain days for residents.  There is only one river that I have fished where this is necessary and that is the Beaverhead.  The Big Horn is a much larger river and even when crowded, I have never felt like I was lacking water to fish.  Same thing on the Madison.  I find there is plenty of water to fish and only a few areas that are really crowded to the point where there are problems and the quality of the experience is diminished due to the crowds.  The whole issue of crowds is a seasonal case anyways.  I always have the winters to enjoy being one of the few people on a river, if not the only person. That’s my story and I am sticking to it. <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana.

That’s just an outright lie.  Idaho is the best place to be.  Montana is scorched Earth, whirling disease desimated trout streams, New Zealand mud snail infested, and dirt poor.  Idaho on the other hand isn’t as bad off. Oregon is the best place in the world to be though.  They have good paying jobs, excellent hunting and their fishing is one of the best kept secrets in the lower 48. HTH — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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Bend, Oregon, which was a wonderful place before I arrived, became a true paradise on earth for a while after I got here, and is now a stinking hell hole, altogether a far, far less attractive place than many I can think of in Idaho and Montana. That’s just an outright lie.  Idaho is the best place to be.  Montana is scorched Earth, whirling disease desimated trout streams, New Zealand mud snail infested, and dirt poor.  Idaho on the other hand isn’t as bad off. Oregon is the best place in the world to be though.  They have good paying jobs, excellent hunting and their fishing is one of the best kept secrets in the lower 48. HTH

Well, there’s another damnable lie (about Oregon, the Calcutta of the West), but at least it’s offset by the God’s honest truth about Idaho: the new Jerusalem, brothers, an Elysian utopia with trout the size of snowmobiles and blissful citizens (of the very highest ethical standards, mind you) ready to welcome their fellow sportsmen with open arms.  Every fishing and hunting guide a nubile ex-cheerleader who makes Angie look like Howard Stern.  Every publican and shopkeeper a source of freely shared information– earned over a lifetime–about honey holes where the steelhead chase each other off in order to be the first to impale themselves on your hook. Fishing in Oregon?!?!  Oh, my.  A long time ago, maybe.  Now you could catch more fish out of the average toilet bowl in New York City, son.  And even that was before the Terrible Drought of 2001, a sure harbinger of impending ecological collapse.  These days, before you can tie on a fly in Oregon you have to file an environmental impact statement.  Hell’s bells. Everyone *here* is moving to Idaho! JR

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It’s also funny to see people who live in states that make a bunch of money from tourism bitch about tourists, especially the ones who were tourists there once themselves. <g

I don’t make any money off of tourism either directly or indirectly and haven’t been any tourist related industries.  I moved to Montana without ever coming as a tourist.  I got accepted to school out here, had relatives who used to live out here and moved based on pictures, school, and their opinion of the place, and the promises of good fishing and hunting.  I am now a legal resident, have been for 5 years, I was married here, my daughter was born here and I am trapped here until my daughter gets older.  Nothing funny about that IMO. — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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A few more trips and you will have a new definition of crowded.  Glad you caught lots of fish, always makes the trip more enjoyable.  I hear you on the high rollers who can’t cast.  Catching fish in front of them is always a blast and I am happy you got that experience

  Oh, yeah, you have some experience being in a boat with a tyro who couldn’t cast, don’t you?  Did your "line welts" heal up?   I’m afraid I came off anti elitist.  It’s not any of my business how much someone wants to spend on their hobby.  They aren’t any different from you or me.  They just want to have fun.  Of course, they can buy a lot more fun than a lot of us:)  Still, I can’t help suffering from some smug satisfaction when I catch fish on my $40.00 Three Forks while they flail away with their $2,500 bamboo rods.  (Heck, I’m still trying to save money for one of G’s moderately priced bamboo rods.)  Once I get my last daughter out of college I may be able to splurge a bit.  My goal in life is to end up like Charlie—-80 rods with a deluxe reel for each one.  But, I won’t take it as far as he does.  You know, long finger nails, long gray beard and hair, sleeps with all his rods, wears a white gown and sprays everyone and everything with disinfectant spray and designs large, wooden airplanes:) Snoop —

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The ones that crack me up are those that think their money will get them fish.  My buddy that guided in Idaho last summer had some stories about several rich, stuck up people who didn’t want to learn how to do things the right way, but thought that the gear they bought and the money they spent on a trip guaranteed them success.  Money does not equate with skill or success and it is hard for these people to realize that.  When I see them out there flailing the water into a froth giving dirty looks to their guides as if it is his fault, I get a laugh.  Especially after I pull out fish right in front of them.  It isn’t that I am against people with money who fish, hell I fish with RW don’t I?

  Anyone, wealthy or not, who goes to the expense and time to travel to fish with a guide and doesn’t take local advice gets what they deserve. I have a good friend who guided in Alaska for 20+ years.  Had a couple of jet boats and a Cessna 180 on floats.  He guided hunters and fishermen.  We’ve sat around a few campfires and listened to his stories.  Very interesting.  The hunters were the worst.  Generally, the fishermen were easier to be around.  The bear stories were hair raising and I don’t think I care to fly with any Alaska bush pilots.  (Well, actually, I don’t like flying with anyone else but my friend who’s a retired 747 pilot.) It is the attitude of the rich, stuck up snobs that I enjoy tweaking.  I have met several people who had tons of money out fishing and were actually very eager to learn and asked lots of questions.  Those types of people I like, very down to earth and just willing to learn because they love fly fishing.  It is the ones who have to announce to an entire fly shop that they need to use their Platinum card to buy half dozen flies as if we should be impressed that they have a Platinum card that piss me off, the ones like Peter posted about at one of the fly shops he goes to with the guy’s buddy looking at a reel, etc.  I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff".  They are out there and certainly do exist.  I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people.

  Yep, those are the people who rub me the wrong way.  But, they’re not necessarily rich.  A lot of those clowns are up to their necks in credit card debt and are one pay check away from losing cars, houses and their mistresses.  And, there are plenty of obnoxious people who aren’t wealthy. Snoop —

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 I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff".  They are out there and certainly do exist.  I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people.

It’s also funny to see people who live in states that make a bunch of money from tourism bitch about tourists, especially the ones who were tourists there once themselves. <g — Charlie…

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My goal in life is to end up like Charlie—-80 rods with a deluxe reel for each one.  But, I won’t take it as far as he does.  You know, long finger nails, long gray beard and hair, sleeps with all his rods, wears a white gown and sprays everyone and everything with disinfectant spray and designs large, wooden airplanes:)

    That’s my late uncle Howie you’re describing. I helped him write his will, but I don’t want to be like him.

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  Oh, yeah, you have some experience being in a boat with a tyro who couldn’t cast, don’t you?  Did your "line welts" heal up?

Yeah, the line welts went away and the lump from getting nailed by split shot and bead heads eventually went away also.   I’m afraid I came off anti elitist.  It’s not any of my business how much someone wants to spend on their hobby.  They aren’t any different from you or me.  They just want to have fun.  Of course, they can buy a lot more fun than a lot of us:)  Still, I can’t help suffering from some smug satisfaction when I catch fish on my $40.00 Three Forks while they flail away with their $2,500 bamboo rods.

The ones that crack me up are those that think their money will get them fish.  My buddy that guided in Idaho last summer had some stories about several rich, stuck up people who didn’t want to learn how to do things the right way, but thought that the gear they bought and the money they spent on a trip guaranteed them success.  Money does not equate with skill or success and it is hard for these people to realize that.  When I see them out there flailing the water into a froth giving dirty looks to their guides as if it is his fault, I get a laugh.  Especially after I pull out fish right in front of them.  It isn’t that I am against people with money who fish, hell I fish with RW don’t I? It is the attitude of the rich, stuck up snobs that I enjoy tweaking.  I have met several people who had tons of money out fishing and were actually very eager to learn and asked lots of questions.  Those types of people I like, very down to earth and just willing to learn because they love fly fishing.  It is the ones who have to announce to an entire fly shop that they need to use their Platinum card to buy half dozen flies as if we should be impressed that they have a Platinum card that piss me off, the ones like Peter posted about at one of the fly shops he goes to with the guy’s buddy looking at a reel, etc.  I enjoy watching them suffer when they go fishless because they are too stubborn and stuck up to listen to the "hired help" or "riff raff".  They are out there and certainly do exist.  I have found the Big Horn to have a high concentration of those types of people. — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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  I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.  It was a great trip.  I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday.  That’s more like it!  

Thanks for the report. I also find larger rivers more difficult to fish (and less fun) than smaller waters. It is more like lake fishing to me. Since they are so large and usually so deep, fish holding and feeding areas often must be inferred rather than observed. A low gradient river like the Bighorn is even more difficult. Willi

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Thanks for the report. I also find larger rivers more difficult to fish (and less fun) than smaller waters. It is more like lake fishing to me. Since they are so large and usually so deep, fish holding and feeding areas often must be inferred rather than observed. A low gradient river like the Bighorn is even more difficult. Willi

  One of the biggest problems I face is the amount of weight needed to fish deeper holes and/or fast current. Slinging all that weight with an indicator and dropper fly all day in the wind is not my idea of great fun. Snoop —

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A few more trips and you will have a new definition of crowded.  Glad you caught lots of fish, always makes the trip more enjoyable.  I hear you on the high rollers who can’t cast.  Catching fish in front of them is always a blast and I am happy you got that experience

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.  It was a great trip.  I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday.  That’s more like it!  As I said in another post, I couldn’t believe the number (tons ?) of midges on the water and in the air.  With all of the midges available, we saw very little surface action.  I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water.  Perhaps an unrelated, larger fly like a Royal Wulff?   All of the action for us was on nymphs, scuds or midge pupa.  One of the hottest flies was the brown/tan thread body, black thread head that I learned about at the San Juan clave tied on size 20 & 22 hooks.  The guy that I was fishing with (Kevin) kept a few Browns and checked stomach contents.  Most of the contents were the little brown/gray midge pupa.  There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long.  We caught about half browns and half bows.  No whitefish this time.   We floated from 3 mile to Bighorn both days.  The river was crowded but I guess I’m getting more used to it. We did fish one side channel that was too shallow for drift boats and spent a lot of time there both days.  We had no one else fish through so it was quite enjoyable.  This was probably the best area we fished on this trip.  I think this kind of water is easier to fish.  The main river just seems so big and intimidating and I have a hard time knowing where to start to fish. There’s just so many choices.  It seems like a lot of places I think are "fishy" don’t have any fish that I can catch.   I spent a lot of time watching other fishermen and the guides.  Kind of a fun pastime but probably responsible for a lot of missed fish.  We saw 2 beautiful wood drift boats that looked like they came off the showroom floor.  It was interesting watching all of the different experience levels of fishermen.  It seemed like there were a lot of novices on the stream these 2 days.  We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out.  Looked like they just fell off the cover of a LL Bean catalog.  Some of those guys had more money invested in one rod that I have in all my fishing gear.  I guess a few of the resorts up there are $500/day.  I’d like to visit with a few of those guys just to see what they think about the whole deal.  I imagine flying into Billings from big cities in the east or west would be kind of a mind blower.  Wonder what they thought when they traveled through the "beautiful" town of Lodge Grass or finally arrived at Ft Smith?  I’ll bet they felt like they were at the end of the world.  I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish.  Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:)  Of course, we were all the style what with our North Dakota drift boat (20 year old John boat) and our flashy dress (we looked like all of the roffers I’ve met at claves with the exception of Charlie who is always spiffed up to a "T", I suppose in case he runs across a high class book store or brothel).   I suppose that’s my last trip to the Horn until late fall.  We should be thawing at the higher elevations shortly around here and I’ll be going to work in a couple of weeks which will really raise hell with fishing for awhile:( Snoop —

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  I fished the Bighorn on Wed & Thurs.  It was a great trip.  I caught 9 fish on Wed. and 18 on Thursday.  That’s more like it!  As I said in another post, I couldn’t believe the number (tons ?) of midges on the water and in the air.  With all of the midges available, we saw very little surface action.  I have no idea how one would go about fishing a dry with all of the stuff on the water.  Perhaps an unrelated, larger fly like a Royal Wulff?   All of the action for us was on nymphs, scuds or midge pupa.  One of the hottest flies was the brown/tan thread body, black thread head that I learned about at the San Juan clave tied on size 20 & 22 hooks.  The guy that I was fishing with (Kevin) kept a few Browns and checked stomach contents.  Most of the contents were the little brown/gray midge pupa.  There were some dirty orange scuds and one black leach about 3 inches long.  We caught about half browns and half bows.  No whitefish this time.   We floated from 3 mile to Bighorn both days.  The river was crowded but I guess I’m getting more used to it. We did fish one side channel that was too shallow for drift boats and spent a lot of time there both days.  We had no one else fish through so it was quite enjoyable.  This was probably the best area we fished on this trip.  I think this kind of water is easier to fish.  The main river just seems so big and intimidating and I have a hard time knowing where to start to fish. There’s just so many choices.  It seems like a lot of places I think are "fishy" don’t have any fish that I can catch.   I spent a lot of time watching other fishermen and the guides.  Kind of a fun pastime but probably responsible for a lot of missed fish.  We saw 2 beautiful wood drift boats that looked like they came off the showroom floor.  It was interesting watching all of the different experience levels of fishermen.  It seemed like there were a lot of novices on the stream these 2 days.  We saw a few sports at the cafe that were really decked out.  Looked like they just fell off the cover of a LL Bean catalog.  Some of those guys had more money invested in one rod that I have in all my fishing gear.  I guess a few of the resorts up there are $500/day.  I’d like to visit with a few of those guys just to see what they think about the whole deal.  I imagine flying into Billings from big cities in the east or west would be kind of a mind blower.  Wonder what they thought when they traveled through the "beautiful" town of Lodge Grass or finally arrived at Ft Smith?  I’ll bet they felt like they were at the end of the world.  I’ll bet the pressure is on the guides to get these high rollers some fish.  Kevin and I derived some perverse pleasure in catching fish right in front of the high rollers while the guide was trying to help them get a cast out at least 10 feet:)  Of course, we were all the style what with our North Dakota drift boat (20 year old John boat) and our flashy dress (we looked like all of the roffers I’ve met at claves with the exception of Charlie who is always spiffed up to a "T", I suppose in case he runs across a high class book store or brothel).   I suppose that’s my last trip to the Horn until late fall.  We should be thawing at the higher elevations shortly around here and I’ll be going to work in a couple of weeks which will really raise hell with fishing for awhile:( Snoop —

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Red wigglers make great bait!  I’m selling red wiggler worms, for low

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Red wigglers make great bait!  I’m selling red wiggler worms, for low

You are really opening yourself up for a ton of abuse by putting  that on the flyfishing newsgroups — Gordon Churchill Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ hybrids on Jordan Lake, Striped Bass on Roanoke River Surface action on Largemouth bass in Harris Lake.

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I agree they are great. Especially when tied with beads and a tail so they look like a Bloodworm of the Tendipes familia which is what they are usually mistaken by trout. The San Juan Worm patterns do this ncely as well, are more durable and stink a whole lot less when you forget them in the car  . . . . . . — Bob Sheedy Angling Adventures North Lake Fly Fishing On-Line Magazine Home of MASTER ANGLER Fishing Software http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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I want to take just a moment to thank the people who tried to connect for the Wednesday evening chat session.  Unfortunately, FlyFishAmerica’s Web Page Chat option just didn’t work quite the way we wanted it to.   I hurriedly configured an alternate means but unfortunately not everyone had Java enabled browsers.  So in the interim until the folks at FlyFishAmerica can come up with an alternate means of chatting we will connect via IRC Client Software.  In other words you will need mIRC, WsIRC for IBM Clones, or Homer and IRcle for Mac’s. In configuring set your irc server to: 206.230.8.18, on port 6667. We will chat Wednesday Feb 5, at 18:00 MST or 20:00 Eastern Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to take just a moment to thank the people who tried to connect for the Wednesday evening chat session.  Unfortunately, FlyFishAmerica’s Web Page Chat option just didn’t work quite the way we wanted it to. I hurriedly configured an alternate means but unfortunately not everyone had Java enabled browsers.  So in the interim until the folks at FlyFishAmerica can come up with an alternate means of chatting we will connect via IRC Client Software.  In other words you will need mIRC, WsIRC for IBM Clones, or Homer and IRcle for Mac’s. In configuring set your irc server to: 206.230.8.18, on port 6667. We will chat Wednesday Feb 5, at 18:00 MST or 20:00 Eastern JoeForgive me for being computer illiterate, but, what is and irc server?  

Where do you get it?  Is it software?  More info. please. John

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connect via IRC Client Software.  In other words you will need mIRC, WsIRC for IBM Clones, or Homer and IRcle for Mac’s. In configuring set your irc server to: 206.230.8.18, on port 6667. We will chat Wednesday Feb 5, at 18:00 MST or 20:00 Eastern JoeForgive me for being computer illiterate, but, what is and irc server?   Where do you get it?  Is it software?  More info. please. John

John if you are using an IBM Clone then go to http://www.tucows.com and in the area for text chat download a program called mIRC.  It is pretty easy to set up.  mIRC will allow you to connect to IRC (Internet Relay Chat)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to take just a moment to thank the people who tried to connect for the Wednesday evening chat session.  Unfortunately, FlyFishAmerica’s Web Page Chat option just didn’t work quite the way we wanted it to. connect via IRC Client Software.   In other words you will need mIRC,WsIRC for IBM Clones, or Homer and IRcle for Mac’s. In configuring set your irc server to: 206.230.8.18, on port 6667. We will chat Wednesday Feb 5, at 18:00 MST or 20:00 Eastern JoeForgive me for being computer illiterate, but, what is and ircserver? Where do you get it?  Is it software?  More info. please. John if you are using an IBM Clone then go to http://www.tucows.com and in the area for text chat download a program called mIRC.  It is pretty easy to set up.  mIRC will allow you to connect to IRC (Internet Relay Chat)

Hello all… Sorry for the troubles we had before but they are now behind us. I re-wrote the FlyFishAmerica.com chat area, it has been fixed, it supports a lot more users and is wicked fast. It does not require any downloading or special software and is based on SERVERside Java which does not even require a Java enabled browser. Bob Stewart http://www.flyfishamerica.com/chat/chat.html

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I guess this question is for Al Beatty as much as everyone else.   Are we gonna try to chat Wed. evening again?

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I guess this question is for Al Beatty as much as everyone else. Are we gonna try to chat Wed. evening again?

Hi Joe Why don’t you start the chat and I’ll join in if I can. I have a fly tying class to teach and I’m not sure how long it will take. By the way I sure like your IRC server you showed me yesterday, it was great. Thanks much for sending me the soft ware. Good Tying &…. (the bobbin is on the way). — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Where is the chat session going to be held from now on? John

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John: It is up in the air right now…..FFAmerica is in the process of working on their chat section ontheir page.  Til then try in your irc client to connect to: Server: 206.230.8.18 Port: 6667 Channel #FlyTyer Wednesday’s at 8:00pm EST – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where is the chat session going to be held from now on? John

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I am new to the San Diego area and am looking for nearby fisheries.  Where can I find trout without driving for hours.  Any fly fishing streams? Thanks for the help.

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I am new to the San Diego area and am looking for nearby fisheries.  Where can I find trout without driving for hours.  Any fly fishing streams? Thanks for the help.

I do not know of any local fisheries, and NO local fly fishing streams.  Some people fly fish at cuyamaca and Murray, but I don’t know how well those lakes work.   Good luck Dave

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Try the surf for corvina.  I no they aren’t trout — but they are close and a challenge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to the San Diego area and am looking for nearby fisheries.  Where can I find trout without driving for hours.  Any fly fishing streams? Thanks for the help. I do not know of any local fisheries, and NO local fly fishing streams.  Some people fly fish at cuyamaca and Murray, but I don’t know how well those lakes work.   Good luck Dave

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Contact San Diego Fly Fishers org c/o Strouds Tackle, Morena Blvd, San Diego CA for info on the group and its meetings (7 pm first Monday ea month).  Some SDFF members (not me) speak of  wild trout streams in the county that have 11"-12" trout.  SDFF also stocks county streams with hatchery trout each year. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try the surf for corvina.  I no they aren’t trout — but they are close and a challenge. I am new to the San Diego area and am looking for nearby fisheries.  Where can I find trout without driving for hours.  Any fly fishing streams? Thanks for the help. I do not know of any local fisheries, and NO local fly fishing streams.  Some people fly fish at cuyamaca and Murray, but I don’t know how well those lakes work.   Good luck Dave

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Lake Poway has trout.. haven’t tried ‘em, but I guess I should — Bob Dobson RAD Solutions www.radsolutions.com

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: for the amount used the sg doesn’t count. Isn’t it more fun fishing than : being scientific? Keep em dry, Ummm…. not always.  But then I’m a geek. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Question for Mr "Gink":  Is there any reason (physical, not political) that I shouldn’t use Gink as a fly-line dressing?  Will it corode the line? — -Wayne Trzyna

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Gink keeps it up! I’ll have to remember that next time I pay a visit to Cottonwood ranch.

Aha!  We’ve discovered the secret ingrediant:  KY Jelly. — -Wayne Trzyna

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: : GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water. : : FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water : averages 1.025. Now the question everyone is, What’s the specific : gravity of Albolene? : — : Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler : TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 : 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA Gary, Hi,    I don’t think it matters. It works well. A drawback, if any, may be the low liquification temperature. I noticed yesterday that at body temperature, 98.6 deg F, it was a thin film not solid as it comes from the container. I guess the other floatants (like Al Beatty has) have higher melting/liquification temperatures.    One thing for sure is that water doesn’t like it, which is the property that makes flies float. Keep em dry, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water. FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. But the question everyone wants answered is, What’s the chemical difference between Gink and albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

As different as a model A Ford is to a Jet Fighter.  If I wanted to be spilling out my guts regarding what my life’s work is all about I’d done it years ago but the secret formulations of GINK is patented and has nothing to do with whatever else you believe works.  What GINK is:  Its a dry fly dressing invented by a fly fishermen for fly fishermen. Remember, all other dry fly dressings and/or sinks are PLAGARIZED products from other industrial sources which are then forced onto the fishing establishment as working enities.  ALL MY PRODUCTS are original inventions Mr. Soucie.  If you want to use silicone, soaps, bear or goose grease dissolved with carbontetroclorhide and ruin your heart, or if you want to use perfumed cosmetics which you’re proposing and call it romancing the fly . . . be our guest. The differences are very great.  Gink is gink and it is MUCH, much better than old, obsolete albolene.  Albo absorbs tremendous amouts of water, its viscosity is wrong and its used to remove makeup from actor’s faces (primarily)  What albo is not, it is not a dry fly dressing.  At least not anywhere as great as GEHRKE’S GINK is.  And frankly Mr Soucie, nothing else in the world is either. Gink keeps it up. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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I plopped my trusty hydrometer into my tub of Albolene and it just layed there. Any chemists out there that can tell me what I’m doing wrong? John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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I soak my dries in a "permanent" treatment right after I tie them.  Stuff is called Fly Dry or something like that; probably Scotchgard.  Works pretty well.  If they start to sink, a few false casts solve the problem.  If they get slimed, dry floatant gets ‘em up again.  Not as permanent as the manufacturer suggests, but still a lot easier than dealing with floatant paste on a cold morning.   Haven’t used Gink.  Probably a fine product, but I’m wary of liquid floatants, given their tendency to leak in the vest pocket. Charlie Quinton

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Gink keeps it up! Aha!  We’ve discovered the secret ingrediant:  KY Jelly. — -Wayne Trzyna

No, no, Wayne.  You’re mistaken.  K-Y jelly gets it IN!  Keeping it in and UP is another question.  Not sure about Gink in that regard, but I’ve found that a couple of belts of sour mash pretty makes it hard (difficult?) to get down. Stan

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: :   I read this to say that Gink is roughly 3/4’s  the "density" of : water. Which make it lighter than water, therefore it floats. (FYI) : :         Yes, if Gink has a specific gravity of 0.78 it ought to float flies : very well. It seems strange, though, that Mr. Gink doesn’t know how his : conconcoction’s specific gravity compares to that of water. :         I don’t even know what Albolene is, but the name keeps popping up on : the thread. A simple, "Gink is not Albolene, Albolene is not Gink," This is good stuff. What if these products _are_ heaver than water, but their properties are such that they easily coat the hackel and hair fibers such the total weight is only increased a miniscual amount. The fact that good H2O doesnt like this material causes them to float really well (and for some time). Some guides I’ve talked to use Albolene and they say it works well. Heck, for the amount used the sg doesn’t count. Isn’t it more fun fishing than being scientific? Keep em dry, Bob — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water. FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. Now the question everyone is, What’s the specific gravity of Albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

  I read this to say that Gink is roughly 3/4’s  the "density" of water. Which make it lighter than water, therefore it floats. (FYI)   Harry

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  I read this to say that Gink is roughly 3/4’s  the "density" of water. Which make it lighter than water, therefore it floats. (FYI)

        Yes, if Gink has a specific gravity of 0.78 it ought to float flies very well. It seems strange, though, that Mr. Gink doesn’t know how his conconcoction’s specific gravity compares to that of water.         I don’t even know what Albolene is, but the name keeps popping up on the thread. A simple, "Gink is not Albolene, Albolene is not Gink," would have sufficed, but instead Mr. Gink went into one of his patented rages. He’s certainly a poor spokesman for his product. — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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   Yes, if Gink has a specific gravity of 0.78 it ought to float flies very well. It seems strange, though, that Mr. Gink doesn’t know how his conconcoction’s specific gravity compares to that of water.

I think he said Gink has a specific gravity of .78 _compared_ to water (which is 1.00 as you point out). The english language is often imprecise. FWIW. Charlie…

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: : : : Gink keeps it up. : : George Gehrke/Mr. Gink Ok Dr George, but don’t flash it. Just let it float. Keep em dry, Bob (tryin to beat T-Bone to the floatant) — lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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snip BTW, I raised Tim’s issue over a year ago without a nibble. How come we don’t worry about all the floatant in the water?

Rick, At this point I think we’d be doing more worrying than fishing. Ross Wilson

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water. FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. But the question everyone wants answered is, What’s the chemical difference between Gink and albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA As different as a model A Ford is to a Jet Fighter.  If I wanted to be spilling out my guts regarding what my life’s work is all about I’d done it years ago but the secret formulations of GINK is patented and has nothing to do with whatever else you believe works.  What GINK is:  Its a dry fly dressing invented by a fly fishermen for fly fishermen. Remember, all other dry fly dressings and/or sinks are PLAGARIZED products from other industrial sources which are then forced onto the fishing establishment as working enities.  ALL MY PRODUCTS are original inventions Mr. Soucie.  If you want to use silicone, soaps, bear or goose grease dissolved with carbontetroclorhide and ruin your heart, or if you want to use perfumed cosmetics which you’re proposing and call it romancing the fly . . . be our guest. The differences are very great.  Gink is gink and it is MUCH, much better than old, obsolete albolene.  Albo absorbs tremendous amouts of water, its viscosity is wrong and its used to remove makeup from actor’s faces (primarily)  What albo is not, it is not a dry fly dressing.  At least not anywhere as great as GEHRKE’S GINK is.  And frankly Mr Soucie, nothing else in the world is either. Gink keeps it up. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

That’s atellin’ ‘em George. Les

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water.

FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. Now the question everyone is, What’s the specific gravity of albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water.

FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. Now the question everyone is, What’s the specific gravity of Albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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GINK…has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water.

FYI, pure fresh water has a specific gravity of 1.00, and sea water averages 1.025. But the question everyone wants answered is, What’s the chemical difference between Gink and albolene? — Gary A. Soucie – writer, editor, angler TEL 1-301-322-8373;  FAX 1-301-322-4329 3007 Crest Ave., Cheverly, MD 20785 USA

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world’s first COMMERCIAL dry fly dressing to float a fly for more than one float.  In fact, it does it better even today than any other dressing in the world and will usually float a dry fly until the owner changes it or loses it . . . more often than not. The main point is, it works!  It works better than any other competitor’s efforts i the entire world.

Does anyone have the article someone posted awhile back which compared several different brands of floatants?   And that . . . in itself, is another story I might tell one day.  How it all came about.

I, for one, would be interested in hearing it.  For one thing, I’d like to know why it’s called "Gink". Gink keeps it up!

I’ll have to remember that next time I pay a visit to Cottonwood ranch. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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It’s probably the same stuff as any other fly floatant.  I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong, but I believe the reason floatant works is becasue it keeps the water off the fly… and anything that does that will gum up a gill, too.  BTW, I raised Tim’s issue over a year ago without a nibble. How come we don’t worry about all the floatant in the water?

Maybe environmental authorities would if they actually had people that fished. Coast Guard regulations require the reporting of a "visible sheen" on the water.  Some states’ environmental release reporting statutes and regulations prohibit, or require reporting of, any release, no matter what the quantity, of a listed hazardous substance to the environment.  Remember that post about not seeing game wardens?  Wait until the Coast Guard hands you a citation for the sheen coming from that floating fly on the end of your line and the state wants $10,000 a day for the failure to report the same "release".  Hope this doesn’t start Timbo on a new catch and "release" post fest! Musconet

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: the fly for long on the stream.  I’ve tried adding a little : silicon high-vacuum grease.  This stuff is less soluble, but much : tackier.  I find this a good way of floatin flies such as Letort : hoppers which are hard to gink properly by hand.  Overall rating: : 7 out of 10. : Isn’t this stuff, like, toxic to fish ? It’s probably the same stuff as any other fly floatant.  I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong, but I believe the reason floatant works is becasue it keeps the water off the fly… and anything that does that will gum up a gill, too.  BTW, I raised Tim’s issue over a year ago without a nibble. How come we don’t worry about all the floatant in the water? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : the fly for long on the stream.  I’ve tried adding a little : silicon high-vacuum grease.  This stuff is less soluble, but much : tackier.  I find this a good way of floatin flies such as Letort : hoppers which are hard to gink properly by hand.  Overall rating: : 7 out of 10. : Isn’t this stuff, like, toxic to fish ? It’s probably the same stuff as any other fly floatant.  I’m sure I’ll be corrected if I’m wrong, but I believe the reason floatant works is becasue it keeps the water off the fly… and anything that does that will gum up a gill, too.  BTW, I raised Tim’s issue over a year ago without a nibble. How come we don’t worry about all the floatant in the water? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

SILICONE based dressings (plagarized products from another industrial source) absorb 10% of their weight in water.  (Also they are very dirt gathering prone).  This is why you do not want to use silicone based dry fly dressings. Hope this helps answer your problems about silicone dressings. Lastly, hollow deer haired flies such as hoppers, etc. a trimmed with sissors and the hollowed hair will suck in water if you do not dress the head liberally with Gink.  Why GINK is better in this area is because it has a specific gravity of .78 the density of water.  Which means, it floats all by itself.  Rick Fletcher is absolutely correct in that GINK keeps water from the tying material, making them basically impervious to the entry of water while adding a high degree of floatability.  This is only one reason why GINK is the World’s Number One Dry Fly dressing. That aside, from ginking flies to tying them, Gehrke’s Gink is the world’s first COMMERCIAL dry fly dressing to float a fly for more than one float.  In fact, it does it better even today than any other dressing in the world and will usually float a dry fly until the owner changes it or loses it . . . more often than not. The main point is, it works!  It works better than any other competitor’s efforts i the entire world. And that . . . in itself, is another story I might tell one day.  How it all came about. Gink keeps it up! George/Mr. Gink I would never break the romance of two lovers.  The fly that is dressed well who are in need of keeping a date with a fish. No more. No less. gg/;)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Dear All: : I have access to some silicon oil.  Do you think I should try this on my : flies?  It is reagent grade stuff.  I’m not sure what I should cut it : with, as it is far too concentrated to use on an individual fly.  It : should work though.  Gink is essentially the same stuff but in a low : melting base. : JB I’ve tried using silicon oil on my flies.  I cut the oil about 1:10 with hexanes and dipped the flies in.  Unfortunately, I’ve found that the finished products is too thin and doesn’t protect the fly for long on the stream.  I’ve tried adding a little silicon high-vacuum grease.  This stuff is less soluble, but much tackier.  I find this a good way of floatin flies such as Letort hoppers which are hard to gink properly by hand.  Overall rating: 7 out of 10.

Isn’t this stuff, like, toxic to fish ? TimW

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Dear All: I have access to some silicon oil.  Do you think I should try this on my flies?  It is reagent grade stuff.  I’m not sure what I should cut it with, as it is far too concentrated to use on an individual fly.  It should work though.  Gink is essentially the same stuff but in a low melting base. JB

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: Dear All: : I have access to some silicon oil.  Do you think I should try this on my : flies?  It is reagent grade stuff.  I’m not sure what I should cut it : with, as it is far too concentrated to use on an individual fly.  It : should work though.  Gink is essentially the same stuff but in a low : melting base. : JB I’ve tried using silicon oil on my flies.  I cut the oil about 1:10 with hexanes and dipped the flies in.  Unfortunately, I’ve found that the finished products is too thin and doesn’t protect the fly for long on the stream.  I’ve tried adding a little silicon high-vacuum grease.  This stuff is less soluble, but much tackier.  I find this a good way of floatin flies such as Letort hoppers which are hard to gink properly by hand.  Overall rating: 7 out of 10. Pete

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What are the trout hitting in New Hampshire this time of year?  I’ll be there at the end of this month.  Any recommendations on Flies, places to fish?  I’ll be in the southern pertion of the state, new Lale Sunnapee. All advice is greatly appreciated.

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Helen, Being in Vermont I can give some ideas that you may be able to extrapolate for NH.  Currently there are cahills and sulphurs along with caddis both black and tan.  I should not think you could ever go wrong with an elk hair caddis anywhere in NH and VT.  Yellow and cream colored soft hackles fished dragging in the riffles should produce fish there as well.  Tricos are starting to appear as well (size 20-24 white and black mayflies).  I would be happy to help in anyway I can. James Ehlers Underhill, Vermont

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What are the trout hitting in New Hampshire this time of year?  I’ll be there at the end of this month.  Any recommendations on Flies, places to fish?  I’ll be in the southern pertion of the state, new Lale Sunnapee. All advice is greatly appreciated.

Small (16-20) nymphs and the hatch of the day.  Check with the local fly shop.   This has been a real weird summer with first cold and now heat.  Nothing has been too predictable except that fishing is always better than working. — Len —– Leonard Campbell                                                                                                 solicitations!!

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Another nice place to try your hand at is cole pond near Enfield Center off of 4A.  Take bog pond road and go about 2 miles.  sign for cole pond on the right and it is about a 1/2 mile hike up to it. Fly fishing only and make sure to bring a tube or portage a canoe up as it is tough to fish from the shore in most spots although there are a couple areas were you can wade out.

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Rick, You will be not too far from the Contoocook River, which has a fly fishing only section in W. Henniker.  Also the Masocoma river that runs out of Lake MAscoma can be pretty good.  There are other rivers like the Sugar that are a little further away to the south of where you will be.   There are also some trout ponds worth looking into.  Give me an E-mail when it gets a little closer to your trip, and I might be able to give you a better idea of where to go. Tight Lines, Gerry Crow

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I’ve learned I will be spending a week in New London, New Hampshire in early July, with afternoons off from my meetings and lectures.  I don’t know a single thing about the area.  Could someone be so kind as to educate me about the streams nearby and inform me about the fly fishing possibilities?  

Rick, you’re in luck: there are a couple of very good rivers near enough to New London to get your flyfishing fix. Should be some good dry fly action as well… There’s some great fishing for browns and ‘bows on the Contoocook River near Henniker, NH, roughly 40 minutes from New London: go south on I89 to Rt 202, follow 202 west to the Rt 114 exit. Take a right at the end of the ramp (114 N), then take the first left past the gas station (Davidson Rd). Follow Davidson for roughly 1 mile to a stop sign, where you then take a left onto Liberty Hill Road (this will take you back across Rt 202). The road quickly turns into unpaved/graded. About 1/10th mile from the bridge over 202, take the first right turn onto Western Road (another dirt road), follow this to a fork (an equipment dealer on your right) and take the left fork down to the river. This road parallels the best fishing on the Contoocook… Another piece of river worth trying is the Sugar River in Guild, NH. Take I89 north to Rt 11 south. When you cross into the town of Guild (~10 miles from New London) from the town of Sunapee, look immediately to the left for Paradise Road (~1/10 mile from the town line) which will take you over the Sugar River. You then see an old railroad grade that roughly parallels the river. Good place to start – the next couple of miles of river heading downstream can be quite good… Finally, the Warner River can also be quite good, and it’s not far from New London (~15 miles). Take I89 south to Rt 103 west, then follow 103 for ~2 miles, then look for the township of Roby (with Roby Road perhaps being the only marker of same ;^). Roby Road heads north from 103 and parallels the Lane River. The confluence of the Lane with the Warner marks the downstream end of a good section of Warner water. Work your way upstream from there for another couple of miles looking for the good spots… Although none of the above is a closely guarded secret, I hope this helps you keep your casting arm limber during your stay in Cow Hampster. None of these rivers would be confused with *any* of the multiple branches of the Salmon River, but they’ll certainly be better than leaving your rod home ;^) Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < <     "What doesn’t kill you…will hurt like heck!"     < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Hi y’all, I’ve learned I will be spending a week in New London, New Hampshire in early July, with afternoons off from my meetings and lectures.  I don’t know a single thing about the area.  Could someone be so kind as to educate me about the streams nearby and inform me about the fly fishing possibilities?  Email would be great, posting here is fine.  I’ll happily trade info on Idaho and the general area. Thanks. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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        There are five spring ponds on one of Alberta’s largest ranches which have just been opened to flyfishing. The ranch is bordered by the Belly and Waterton Rivers in the southwest of the province, not far from the Montana border.         The scenery is beautiful and so are the trout. Rainbows of over 20" are not uncommon and they cruise the ponds feeding on prolific mayfly, caddis and midge hatches.         If you like to stalk large trout, this is for your.         A friend, Matt Sparrow, is the keeper and he may be contacted by telephoning 403-626-3050. The cost is C$50 per day (for now) and food and lodging may be arranged at the comfortable bunkhouse. Guiding and local flies are also available.

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   There are five spring ponds on one of Alberta’s largest ranches which have just been opened to flyfishing. The ranch is bordered by the Belly and Waterton Rivers in the southwest of the province, not far from the Montana border.

So are those "poor ranchers" not making end meet on cows,that they have to jump into FF ?    The scenery is beautiful and so are the trout. Rainbows of over 20" are not uncommon and they cruise the ponds feeding on prolific mayfly, caddis and midge hatches.

I hope that all those Rainbows get whirling disease,just to take away any  possible profit out from all those  who want make    If you like to stalk large trout, this is for your.    A friend, Matt Sparrow, is the keeper and he may be contacted by telephoning 403-626-3050. The cost is C$50 per day (for now) and food and lodging may be arranged at the comfortable bunkhouse. Guiding and local flies are also available.

If your friend is trying turn this country into Europe or UK with "pay and fish" attitude maybe you should tell him about * Fishing License".How many times do you have to pay for a privilege to fish ?? How many greedy bastards do we have to feed?? Don’t support anybody who is trying to charge you for "just fishing" or you will find yourself in situation :"one day fishing $ 50.00 ,100.00 ,400.00 who knows where the end is *and you may keep the fish too* if you put "XY"amount of $ down. Please anybody from UK,or rest of Europe who can put more light into this ?Thank you. Have nice day Karel K.

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Is there a censorship policy established for this group?  It was fun for a while to watch the K-9 act like a fool, but I’m afraid it’s escalated to obsurdity.  This boy vs girl mentality is remeniscent of a 4th grade   classroom with the corresponding IQ & emotional levels. If there is no censorship policy, then I would encourage other’s to use the "n/return" function on your computers. Tim

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: Is there a censorship policy established for this group?  It was fun for a : while to watch the K-9 act like a fool, but I’m afraid it’s escalated to : obsurdity.  This boy vs girl mentality is remeniscent of a 4th grade   : classroom with the corresponding IQ & emotional levels. : If there is no censorship policy, then I would encourage other’s to use : the "n/return" function on your computers. : Tim The only censorship should be from censor mavens such as yourself.   Go read alt.cindy.brady, eh… Tim Walker

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: The only censorship should be from censor mavens such as yourself.   : Go read alt.cindy.brady, eh… : Tim Walker Heeee’sss BACK! Welcome. Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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The only censorship should be from censor mavens such as yourself.  

Having Tim Walker defend free speech for all r.o.f.f. postings is like having Frank Zappa defend free speech for the entire rock music industry. Yes, theoretically, I’m all for free speech; I just wish that all rock musicians and all r.o.f.f. posters had as much worthwhile to say as Frank and Tim.  Provocative posts which encourage fresh thinking about fly fishing are one thing; the boring, puerile, misogynist whinings that are so fashionable nowadays are quite another. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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[gone with swell foops of the del key] : and Tim.  Provocative posts which encourage fresh thinking about fly : fishing are one thing; the boring, puerile, misogynist whinings that are so : fashionable nowadays are quite another. And, virtually indistingushable sometimes…. Tim Walker

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