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   It’s been a 20 year family tradition among my in-laws to go camping in the Cedar Grove area of Kings Canyon National Park at least once a year. This past Memorial Day weekend I headed up there on Thursday to secure a campsite while the rest of the family joined me on Friday evening.

Thanks Mu, nice report. I live less than a couple hours from this area, but have never fished it. I will now. Thanks again brians PS many miles downstream of the Upper Kings, so much water is diverted for irrigation, that it almost dries up to nothing.

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I live less than a couple hours from this area, but have never fished it. I will now.

The few fly anglers I met did say they caught fish too.  In 20 years of camping there my father-in-law told me he never saw anybody catching any fish.  A competent spin or bait angler should do very well but most people seem content to soak their bait at the bottom and wait for the fish to never come. Mu

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 Nice description, Mu.  I tend to think of CA as a place  where all of the free-flowing water of any significance  is long-gone, so I am always surprised by a report like  yours.

well once this water reaches the low lands, it is dammed for agriculture nad drinking water.

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nice report……nice to hear there is still an abundance of water…somewhere out there….   richard colorado . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    It’s been a 20 year family tradition among my in-laws to go camping in the Cedar Grove area of Kings Canyon National Park at least once a year. This past Memorial Day weekend I headed up there on Thursday to secure a campsite while the rest of the family joined me on Friday evening.    I did manage to fit in a whole day of fishing on Friday along with a few more hours on Sunday afternoon.  A foot of snow had been on the ground

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I loved the report… been thinking about heading up that way…

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Great report – thank you. Now I have to go again and take the main squeez. When I use to fish various forks of the Kings sometimes it would be a day before my hearing would come back. When the river use to run high we found fish in the smallest creeks and rivelets, they seemed to small to have fish but they did. . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  snipped most enjoyable report

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   It’s been a 20 year family tradition among my in-laws to go camping in the Cedar Grove area of Kings Canyon National Park at least once a year. This past Memorial Day weekend I headed up there on Thursday to secure a campsite while the rest of the family joined me on Friday evening.    I did manage to fit in a whole day of fishing on Friday along with a few more hours on Sunday afternoon.  A foot of snow had been on the ground in some portions of the park just a few days earlier, but it had melted by the time I arrived.    The temperature was unusually warm during the holiday weekend and the water levels were rising each day.  It is not unusual for blizzards to occur even in May in this particular national park, which John Muir had claimed matched Yosemite in grandeur and beauty.    The South Fork of the Kings River races through the Cedar Grove area year round.  I’ve been here in early September and even then this river is barely wadable.  Much of the river was a raging whitewater froth during my trip last month.  Even the tributaries looked angry enough to drown a whale.    The pools that are visible during low water periods were completely hidden under the plunging rapids.  I’d hate to even think about what this river would look like in May after a wet winter.    On Friday I drove to the Road’s End, a popular take-off point for backpackers and day hikers, located at the terminus of highway 180. Hiking in about 2 miles along the north side of the river took me to a bridge which crosses the South Fork where it is joined by Bubbs Creek.    I walked back towards Road’s End along the south side of the river until I came upon an area where the river split into several smaller side channels which were on the north side.  At this point I foolishly attempted to cross back over to the north side.  The water which looked about knee deep was actually waist deep.  Once I was past the knees however it was too late.  The river lifted me off my feet and I was headed towards the ocean.  With great difficulty I did manage to tiptoe to the other side about 30 yards downstream from where I had started. Fortunately, there were no deep pools in this area.  (Those new Chota STL studded wading boots are great!)    I fished the side channels and picked up a few dinky rainbows on a cinnamon caddis.  I did spot stonefly husks on some of the rocks but in general this river does not appear to be too fertile.  The insect activity seems to be predominantly of the caddis sort.  Sometimes, skittering my fly would trigger a strike.    Eventually I met up with the main river again.  Much of the fishing for these small and wild rainbows was quite easy.  Trying to find a place to fish where one could avoid drowning was not so easy.    Basically I’d scramble through the brush for about 20 minutes until I found a large boulder.  Several fish would be congregated there.  A poorly drifted nymph would almost definitely result in a hookup.  Sometimes, even a second fish could be lured out of a particular pocket of water.  But that was it.  Typically, after the first fish was caught, the rest of them would go hide under a rock.    The colors of these fish were brilliant and their eagerness was well appreciated by this angler.  I didn’t mind that they were small; I mean I could catch fish like these even locally here in southern Califronia. But the scenery in Kings Canyon really is spectacular.  After wearing out my welcome at one boulder, it was a 20 minute hike until I found another likely looking spot.  And that’s how the day went on for several more enjoyable hours.    Sunday afternoon I was walking around the area known as Zumwalt Meadow which is also near the vicinity of Road’s End.   I found an extremely large deadfall and for several yards, the water behind it almost appeared to be like a regular river instead of the South Fork.  It looked interesting so I decided to see what would happen to a #14 Parachute Adams.  In spite of the large downed tree, the water was still moving rather swiftly though this area and frequent mending was necessary.    What a surprise when I pulled out a feisty little jumping brown trout. I caught several more browns in that little run.  Unlike the rainbows in the pocket water, these fish did not spook after one of their brethren was hooked and flailing wildly in their vicinity.  Since National Parks are not stocked with fish, these must be the descendants of some browns that were introduced many decades ago.    All in all an enjoyable trip.  Good mix of fishing days and hiking days and lots of wood-fired steaks. Mu

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" so I my be incommunicado for a while anyway.

so what’s different? –waldo

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The cash register at your shop communicated just fine with me today, as did Tommy. Damn that fella can sell! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – " so I my be incommunicado for a while anyway. so what’s different? –waldo

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<SNIP Op  –but maybe I will be able to afford to sex– Unlike ISP

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You know yore from Arkansas if:

Oh palms thankyou for a great laugh. Jeanne

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen

Helen me too. LOL Jeanne

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio.

  Nonsense – they’re much classier in Ashtabula. Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."                                         – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy

You *know* Astabula???  I like Jefferson. Marley

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You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree.

BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog.

BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.

Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap.

BTDT And I’m from NY.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. BTDT 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. BTDT but not a hunting dog. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. Yup. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. BTDT And I’m from NY.

Gasp!  Your last name’s not "Clinton", is it? P2P

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley Hey, I *like* Ashtabula! Nancy You *know* Astabula???  I like Jefferson. I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen.

Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio.  If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake.  BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once.  I hear it’s better now… Nancy

Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there.  It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot.  The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area.  One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car.  oh oh.  A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers.  It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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<snip I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards.  It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked.

*They* must have invented THONGS!!!! LOL Helen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nancy "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I spent the night in an old hotel in Ashtabula once, though I forget why.  It was nice, kinda like stepping into 1956 Mayberry.  I kept waiting for Aunt Bea in her apron to bring out more hot rolls and home made jam from the kitchen. Is Ashtabula on the coast, by any chance? I have a vague memory of hearing it mentioned on a local radio station when we were on board ship, on the east coast. No, Ashtabula is inland, in a small time warp located in northeastern Ohio.  If there’s any water involved, it might be the "coast" of Lake Erie, but I don’t really remember and I’m too lazy to haul out my atlas to even check to see if I’ve got the right lake.  BTW, years ago Lake Erie was such a joke that it could barely qualify as being a body of water–I mean, it was wet like water, but it did catch fire at least once.  I hear it’s better now… Nancy Yes, it’s on Lake Erie and even has a port, though I seriously doubt any real ships ever land there.  It also has a beach, which a least when I was hanging there, was a blacktop parking lot.  The city is the drug capital of the world and many strange characters inhabited the area. You mean…Aunt Bea?  OH NOOOOOoooo…  I thought that was homemade jam…

I don’t remember any Aunt Bea’s but there were some whacked out locals. One afternoon I was staking out a suspected killer (don’t ask!) I actually did that once myself.  Just once.  I got into it without entirely understanding the situation, and I got tired of it really quickly.

I was working on a capital murder retrial.  We won but the real killer walked anyway.  He was supposedly the bastard son of one of the local chiefs of police and a snitch. when I noticed I’d locked my keys in my car.  oh oh.  A whole crowed of nice Baltic immigrants offered assistance with coat hangers.  It was rather humiliating and halted my career in professional snooping for years to come. I once ran into a group of Baltic immigrants on a beach, and for some unknown reason the men all seemed to be wearing their Speedo-type swimsuits backwards.  It was *not* a nice effect, no matter how dapper they seemed to think they looked. Nancy

Oh, please . It’s very late here. I spent a few hours on a train  once with some Estonian women in sweaters adorned with gold lame tigers. Marley Marley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P

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22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program.

Uh-Oh!! 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold.

Double Uh-Oh!! Becky Young ….Though nothing can bring back the hour of splendour in the grass, of glory in the flower, We will grieve not; rather find strength in what remains behind — William Wordsworth

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You know yore from Arkansas if:

snip 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement.

  This one struck me as really funny for some reason – ROR! Ghoulagirl. "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."                                         – Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Star Wars".

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know yore from Arkansas if: 1. You take your dog for a walk and you both use the same tree. 2. You can entertain yourself for more than an hour with a fly swatter. 3. Your property has been mistaken for a recycling center. 4. Your boat has not left the driveway in 15 years. 5. You burn your yard rather than mow it. 6. You think the Nutcracker is something you did off the high dive. 7. The Salvation Army declines your mattress. 8. Your entire family sat around waiting for a call from the governor to spare a loved one. 9. You offer to give someone the shirt off your back and they don’t want it. 10. You have the local taxidermist on speed dial. 11. You come back from the dump with more than you took. 12. You keep a can of Raid on the kitchen table. 13. Your wife can climb a tree faster than your cat. 14. Your grandmother has "Ammo" on her Christmas list. 15. You’v! ! e been kicked out of the zoo for heckling the monkeys. 16. You think a subdivision is part of a math problem. 17. You’ve bathed with flea and tick soap. 18. You’ve been involved in a custody fight over a hunting dog. 19. Your kids take a siphon hose to show and tell. 20. You think a hot tub is a stolen indoor plumbing fixture. 21. You took a fishing pole to Sea World. 22. You go to the stock car races and don’t need a program. 23. You know how many bales of hay your car will hold. 24. You have a rag for a gas cap. 25. Your father executes the "Pull my finger" trick during Christmas dinner. 26. Your house doesn’t have curtains but your truck does. 27. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean. 28. You can spit without opening your mouth. 29. You consider your license plate personalized because your father made it. 30. Your lifetime goal is to own a fireworks stand. 31. You sit on your roof at Christmas! ! time hoping to fill your deer quota. 32. You have a complete set of salad bowls and they all say Cool Whip on the side. 33. The biggest city you’ve ever been to is Wal-Mart. 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV. 35. You thought the Unabomber was a wrestler. 36. You’ve used your ironing board as a buffet table. 37. You think a quarter horse is that ride in front of K-Mart. 38. Your neighbors think you’re a detective because a cop always brings you home. 39. A tornado hits your neighborhood and does a $10,000 worth of improvement. 40. You’ve used a toilet brush as a back scratcher. 41. You’ve asked the preacher "How’s it hangin’?" 42. You missed 5th grade graduation because you had jury duty. 43. You think fast food is hitting a deer at 65 mph. 44. Somebody tells you that you’ve got something in your teeth and you take them out to see what it is. P2P

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This is very funny – I have already forwarded it to some friends! Helen You know yore from Arkansas if: 34. Your working TV sits on top of your non-working TV.

I thought that was Ashtabula, Ohio. Marley

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This reel seems to have left the market. Anyone have any info about what, where and how I could find another?

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This reel seems to have left the market. Anyone have any info about what, where and how I could find another?

Todd Vivian at Lamiglas is a good guy.  Drop him a line, he might know of someone who still has some in stock.  His email address is: Ian Scott http://www.about-flyfishing.com/

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   Good fortune, Oh yes.  Now , I know that you and your friend are just checking to see what kind of answers you get here, but I offer this anyway.  Looking around at the following should get you going.    I now buy almost everything from Clemens Tackle, (610) 395 5119, www.clemenstackle.com   Dick French there is extremely knowledgable.  They list other rod wrappers than the Pacific Bay rod wrapper in their catalog and they have good quality in everything needed.  Get their catalog and ask about the RodCrafter’s Journal.  They also have some books you’ll want and video tapes maybe you’ll want later.    Both of the above have run seminars around the country each year but I don’t know anything about that.      Cabela’s "Tackle Craft" catalog  lists the Flex Coat line which looks good too.  Also a list of books and videos.    The best way and the fastest way to get a look at rod building is to go to www.flyanglersonline.com  click on rodbuilding and view the excellent twelve chapter on-line book on rod building.  It really gave me a jump start and I still refer to it.    Fishing with a rod that I built is extremely satisfying.  Almost as satisfying as fishing with my kids and grandkids using rods into which I put all the extra care that is not in a production rod.  Right now I’m thinking about a couple of new rods…  No it is not an addiction…  I could quit any time…  besides I have to build that spinning rod for my daughter-in-law, too.   —

A few days ago I mentioned to a friend (who used to own a fly shop) that I was planning to build some flyrods this winter. He asked me if I had the equipment I needed. I didn’t. He graciously gave me several pieces of useful looking equipment and some materials, including a number of cork grips and a very nice reel seat. I have only a dim notion of what some of this equipment is for. You can see a photo of the stuff at: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/stuff-web.jpg The long device with the aluminum base is obviously meant for wrapping and drying rods. It has two settings: a constant, slow speed labeled "dry", and a variable speed controlled by a foot pedal labeled "wrap". The large motor on the right is for shaping cork grips. The long things standing up in the background are specialized rattail files for reaming grips, I suppose. I don’t really know what the two devices in the middle (above the grips) and the clamp in the back of the photo are for, but I’ll figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark, if you happen to be reading this. I guess I’ll actually have to build those rods now. No excuses. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Steve,    The thing on the lower left is the foot pedal/reostat. Next to it, above the grips, is a conventional rod wrapper (learn to use it, it’s the most useful devise in the picture). Next to it is a thread holder accessory to the power wrapper. It  has the capacity to hold multiple thread spools, for fancy-shmancy wrapping. The lathe like device is a power wrapper, best used for production (sloppy looking) rod building. The only thing I’d use it for is drying, on the low speed setting. The big thing in the lower right corner is used to shape cork grips, after they’ve been glued up on the devise that’s leaning against the wall on the left. The things leaning against the wall on the right are tapered reamers, for enlarging the ID of the finished cork grip.   Hope this helps. E-mail me if you need instructions on how to use any of this junk.             Charlie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If anyone could give me some information about how to use this thing I’d appreciate it. The guy who gave it to me can’t find the manual, if there ever was one. The manufacturer is Pacific Bay, Inc., Placentia, CA. The current PacBay catalog lists their address as:         Pacific Bay International, Inc.         165 Business Park Loop         Sequim, WA 98382         (360) 683 – 2080         (360) 683 – 2234 (Fax) They are pretty nice folks at PacBay, I’m sure they can find an instruction book for you.  The list price on that thing is $338, if you were wondering.

Thanks for the information, Kevin. This rod wrapper had so much dust on it that it must have been in my friend’s garage for many years. I despaired of finding a manual. I’ll call PacBay on Monday. Kevin If you can’t figure out how to use it, just box it all up and ship it to me.

I’m afraid you’ll have to come here to use it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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could the black thing be a thread holder for the rod wrapper? does it attach to the wrapper somewhere?

Bingo. The black thread holder has three rollers (with ball bearings) that butt up against the rod wrapper in such a way that the thread is in exactly the right position. There’s also a metal bar with three machine screws, and I have absolutely no idea what it’s for. It doesn’t seem to fit anything on the rod wrapper or the thread holder. I’ve put three more photos on the web:         http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/p1.jpg         http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/p2.jpg         http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/p3.jpg The first one shows the motor, the chuck in the open position, the thread holder in position, two of the three roller mechanisms, and the mysterious metal plate. The second photo is a little closer up. The third photo shows the rollers that are under the thread holder, and the rod wrapper chuck in the closed position. If anyone could give me some information about how to use this thing I’d appreciate it. The guy who gave it to me can’t find the manual, if there ever was one. The manufacturer is Pacific Bay, Inc., Placentia, CA. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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not that I’ve ever used such fancy equipment but……. in http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/stuff-web.jpg The thing against the back wall with the wood pieces joined by threaded rod is for pressing together individual cork rings that have been put on the rod (or a dowel if you are making the grip separately) while the glue dries. The large motor on the right, I believe, is for turning the rod or the dowel with the cork rings so you can shape them.  It can also be used as a lathe to shape a wood insert for a reel seat.   I have no idea what the metal bar with three machine screws is used for. http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/p1.jpg You got your hands on some nice equipment. Want to make me a custom rod? Willi

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Bingo. The black thread holder has three rollers (with ball bearings) that butt up against the rod wrapper in such a way that the thread is in exactly the right position. There’s also a metal bar with three machine screws, and I have absolutely no idea what it’s for. It doesn’t seem to fit anything on the rod wrapper or the thread holder.

I think it is a thread tensioning bar.  Can you add a pic of what I suspect is a wooden wrapping fixture, and a close-up of the bar, and particularly, its fittings/screws – are they "pulley wheels" or just nuts and bolts? If anyone could give me some information about how to use this thing I’d appreciate it.

How do you mean "how to use it?"  Do you mean rod-finishing in general, or the specifics of this set-up?  If you mean the particulars of this set-up, it doesn’t appear to be anything tricky or "non-standard," but if you mean rod-finishing in general, that’s quite a bit of info.  Anything in particular? TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The guy who gave it to me can’t find the manual, if there ever was one. The manufacturer is Pacific Bay, Inc., Placentia, CA.

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There’s also a metal bar with three machine screws, and I have absolutely no idea what it’s for. It doesn’t seem to fit anything on the rod wrapper or the thread holder.

Sort of a PS – It appears there are three holes of similar spacing near the edge of the wooden fixture.  Do these actually line up with the bar? R

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If anyone could give me some information about how to use this thing I’d appreciate it. The guy who gave it to me can’t find the manual, if there ever was one. The manufacturer is Pacific Bay, Inc., Placentia, CA.

The current PacBay catalog lists their address as:         Pacific Bay International, Inc.         165 Business Park Loop         Sequim, WA 98382         (360) 683 – 2080         (360) 683 – 2234 (Fax) They are pretty nice folks at PacBay, I’m sure they can find an instruction book for you.  The list price on that thing is $338, if you were wondering. Kevin If you can’t figure out how to use it, just box it all up and ship it to me.

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A few days ago I mentioned to a friend (who used to own a fly shop) that I was planning to build some flyrods this winter. He asked me if I had the equipment I needed. I didn’t. He graciously gave me several pieces of useful looking equipment and some materials, including a number of cork grips and a very nice reel seat.

Wow, you are lucky.  That’s top notch stuff.  Sorry I can’t help – I’ve never actually used that stuff  (What I mean you gear whores, of course, is that I don’t make enough rods to go to the trouble of buying that stuff. Affordability is not the issue when you are at one with the industry – when you are content in your consumerism – when you… well, you know.)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few days ago I mentioned to a friend (who used to own a fly shop) that I was planning to build some flyrods this winter. He asked me if I had the equipment I needed. I didn’t. He graciously gave me several pieces of useful looking equipment and some materials, including a number of cork grips and a very nice reel seat. I have only a dim notion of what some of this equipment is for. You can see a photo of the stuff at:    http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/stuff-web.jpg The long device with the aluminum base is obviously meant for wrapping and drying rods. It has two settings: a constant, slow speed labeled "dry", and a variable speed controlled by a foot pedal labeled "wrap". The large motor on the right is for shaping cork grips. The long things standing up in the background are specialized rattail files for reaming grips, I suppose. I don’t really know what the two devices in the middle (above the grips) and the clamp in the back of the photo are for, but I’ll figure it out. Any help would be appreciated.

Steve, I suspect the long, threaded rods and blocks (there are two blocks, no?) is a cork clamp, and the two things in the middle are thread holders/wrapping jigs/parts.  From what I can see, I’d guess the black one is a holder for use on the larger jig/dryer, and the wooden looking one is a stand-alone wrapping jig, but ???.  Can you post close-ups of them? TC, R

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could the black thing be a thread holder for the rod wrapper? does it attach to the wrapper somewhere? . .Walter .

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few days ago I mentioned to a friend (who used to own a fly shop) that I was planning to build some flyrods this winter. He asked me if I had the equipment I needed. I didn’t. He graciously gave me several pieces of useful looking equipment and some materials, including a number of cork grips and a very nice reel seat. I have only a dim notion of what some of this equipment is for. You can see a photo of the stuff at: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/stuff-web.jpg The long device with the aluminum base is obviously meant for wrapping and drying rods. It has two settings: a constant, slow speed labeled "dry", and a variable speed controlled by a foot pedal labeled "wrap". The large motor on the right is for shaping cork grips. The long things standing up in the background are specialized rattail files for reaming grips, I suppose. I don’t really know what the two devices in the middle (above the grips) and the clamp in the back of the photo are for, but I’ll figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. Steve, I suspect the long, threaded rods and blocks (there are two blocks, no?) is a cork clamp, and the two things in the middle are thread holders/wrapping jigs/parts.  From what I can see, I’d guess the black one is a holder for use on the larger jig/dryer, and the wooden looking one is a stand-alone wrapping jig, but ???.  Can you post close-ups of them? TC, R

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A few days ago I mentioned to a friend (who used to own a fly shop) that I was planning to build some flyrods this winter. He asked me if I had the equipment I needed. I didn’t. He graciously gave me several pieces of useful looking equipment and some materials, including a number of cork grips and a very nice reel seat. I have only a dim notion of what some of this equipment is for. You can see a photo of the stuff at:         http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/stuff-web.jpg The long device with the aluminum base is obviously meant for wrapping and drying rods. It has two settings: a constant, slow speed labeled "dry", and a variable speed controlled by a foot pedal labeled "wrap". The large motor on the right is for shaping cork grips. The long things standing up in the background are specialized rattail files for reaming grips, I suppose. I don’t really know what the two devices in the middle (above the grips) and the clamp in the back of the photo are for, but I’ll figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark, if you happen to be reading this. I guess I’ll actually have to build those rods now. No excuses. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Boy you certainly did luck out.  That is some professional level equipment he gave you. Its hard to really tell from the picture, but the real seat and the handles also seem to be of very high quality. You’ve correctly identified most of the equipment.  The two devices in the middle (above the grips) and the clamp in the back of the photo are for gluing together cork rings for building your own handles. Have fun. Using a rod you put together yourself gives much of the same satisfaction one gets from fooling tough trout with flies you tied yourself. Bob Weinberger

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few days ago I mentioned to a friend (who used to own a fly shop) that I was planning to build some flyrods this winter. He asked me if I had the equipment I needed. I didn’t. He graciously gave me several pieces of useful looking equipment and some materials, including a number of cork grips and a very nice reel seat. I have only a dim notion of what some of this equipment is for. You can see a photo of the stuff at: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/stuff-web.jpg The long device with the aluminum base is obviously meant for wrapping and drying rods. It has two settings: a constant, slow speed labeled "dry", and a variable speed controlled by a foot pedal labeled "wrap". The large motor on the right is for shaping cork grips. The long things standing up in the background are specialized rattail files for reaming grips, I suppose. I don’t really know what the two devices in the middle (above the grips) and the clamp in the back of the photo are for, but I’ll figure it out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Mark, if you happen to be reading this. I guess I’ll actually have to build those rods now. No excuses. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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    it wasn’t the dwarf.     the phone woke me from a desperate dream involving my seventh grade math teacher, ms. rogers, and a thong bikini.  i looked at the glowing numbers on the digital clock, and watched in near disbelief as i finally realized that "4:30" kept blinking at me as i mumbled responses to the voice on the other end of the line.  high pitched, youthful, and bursting with excitement, the language predicted an arrival within the hour.  feeling precisely like a character from the beatles’ "sgt. pepper"  (woke up, fell out of bed, ran a comb across my hair…), i gathered my beloved little hamilton bamboo and some ragged remnants of what now seems another life and prepared for the arrival of ol zimbo the earnest.  instead of a knock on the door, i get a cell call.  dude is lost; an easy thing to do in a metropolis such as greensboro, nc.  i direct him unerringly to my new digs, and we are off in a whirl of  coffee fumes and early morning hopes.     after a trip made quick by the always pleasant exchange of ideas between myself and my fellow traveler (not) we arrived at chez waldo, a location made bearable only by the presence of little marie the long-suffering.  we geared up and fell (almost literally) into the very cold waters of the mighty watauga river, all of thirty feet wide.  the bastards were tougher than any stockers i have ever run across, falling only to small pt nymphs driven deep with lead.  yeah, forty, i know, that ain’t trout fishin; but it beats a cedar branch shoved up your anal cavity.     hoping that the water up on grandfather mountain would warm by midday, acting up as of late, so our progress was quite slow even on the downhill trip to the water.  but the trip was well worth the pain.  this creek is breathtaking in its raw beauty.  flowing though a gorge filled with cabin-sized granite rocks, plunge pools, and falls, it is the archtype carolina freestone backwoods stream.  the water was higher than i would have ever thought, and so cold that staying in it for longer than about twenty minutes at a time was an act of courage or foolishness, depending upon one’s philosophy.  as the more mature members of the threesome held steady to a committment to fish as a gentleman, the irrepressible zimbo dredged the long, black runs with his favorite weapons:  tiny nymphs, lead, and a stick-on.  of course, if one is to be an objective reporter, one must admit that he met with far more success than did we.  but in the final analysis, life is about quality, not quantity…i think.     a moment’s excitement was created when a rainbow of over a foot in length, with the characteristic black back and dark red stripe, surged from a seam between very fast water and a foam covered eddy to smash my 16 para adams.  i snapped the 5x as if it were a spyder’s web in my panicked overreaction.  it’s been a long time between strikes.     photography was a more productive activity than fishing, and i can hardly wait to see the prints of my companions and their environment:  weak little primates crawling around and up the pebbles of the gods, waving their foolish sticks and feathers in futility, cradled by the strength of timeless rock and the relentless, indomitable water that flows across its surface.     it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

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…..ok, maybe there’s one or two others but still it’s a burden…..

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wolfgang cleri……carrio……clariu……ah rats!

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Watch it, wayno. Careless use of ‘native’ ain’t happening in this newsgroup any more.  :-) Welcome the hell back, counselor! "Why can’t everybody else leave everybody else alone?"                               -Hank Junior

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Well, what a coincidence!  After almost 2 weeks of almost total internet blackout (due to technical "difficulties" beyond the grasp of the Wile E. Coyote "support" personnel at Road Runner), I come back looking for something interesting and sure enough I find it.  That primes me nicely for my lower Upper excursion tomorrow, thank you very much.

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   it was good to be back where trout live.

Thanks for a great trip report. I was thinking of you and your son this morning as I just received notice that one of my friend’s wife has just set a Texas state record by catching a 10 1/4 inch redear. Big Dale

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  it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

Brilliant prose, thanks Wayne. Good to see the old "Upper Case"free, typing again. The monitor smiles now. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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   it wasn’t the dwarf.

[a typical nc tr snip]    it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

lookit wayno, don’t you ever leave me alone with this bunch of crackpots ever again  - eh!! do you have any idea how hard it is being the sole voice of reason in this loony bin?  ok, maybe there’s one or two others but still it’s a burden.   good to have you back. man Peter

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…  yeah, forty, i know, that ain’t trout fishin; but it beats a cedar branch shoved up your anal cavity. Well, you do have a way with words. Have missed your mellifluous musings, good to see you back.

Meli….melliph…..mellif……damn, I’m LOOKING at that and I can’t spell it!  Funniest way to say smelly old poop I ever saw. Wolfgang dwarf or lawyer…..dwarf or lawyer…..dwarf or lawyer……hm…gotta think about that

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It’s good to see you again, Wayne. Thanks for the report, Herman     it wasn’t the dwarf.

<rest of a great report creatively snipped

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Meli….melliph…..mellif……damn, I’m LOOKING at that and I can’t spell it!  Funniest way to say smelly old poop I ever saw.

No doubt!  Why not just say it the easy: "Ken" <g How was the game last night turd licker? — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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…  yeah, forty, i know, that ain’t trout fishin; but it beats a cedar branch shoved up your anal cavity.

Well, you do have a way with words. Have missed your mellifluous musings, good to see you back. — Ken Fortenberry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    it wasn’t the dwarf. HAH! I called it – I *knew* it was you! What’d I win, Z’man?    it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison The dump has seemed empty without you, wayno. Welcome home. /daytripper (Did I win a Hamilton Rod? Huh? Huh?

Yeah – the dwarf has it….<G TC, R

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   it wasn’t the dwarf.    the phone woke me from a desperate dream involving my seventh grade math teacher, ms. rogers, and a thong bikini.

 <Gratuitous imagery snipped, for the sake of gentler readers Well, if it is a forgery, it’s pretty dead-nut accurate…<G Welcome back, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

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    the phone woke me from a desperate dream involving my seventh grade math teacher, ms. rogers, and a thong bikini.

Missed you wayno, not to mention your superb imagery.   Welcome back.   You didn’t miss much (that you haven’t seen in another version.) Joe F.

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   it wasn’t the dwarf.

HAH! I called it – I *knew* it was you! What’d I win, Z’man?    it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

The dump has seemed empty without you, wayno. Welcome home. /daytripper (Did I win a Hamilton Rod? Huh? Huh?

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   it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

Good to see you back astream as well!  So it took Zimbo waking you from a wet dream to get your tired old bones moving or were you secretely thinking of you and your 7th grade teacher in a foot race pursuing Zimbo in a thong?!!! Inquiring minds want to know!! I shudda known, dry fly purist to the end. Been listening to Walt again haven’t ya?  It musta been early for you to have fallen for Zimbo letting you use his breathables while he snuggled down in those nice warm neoprenes.  Now, get off your arse and come north for some gentlemanly fishing (I’ve got a beautiful 100% wild trout river staked out with nice and easy walking)! Wayne to fish is human…..to release Divine!!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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i remain

We certainly hope so.  Nice to have you back Wayno. Wolfgang

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It is nice to have you and your posts back Wayno!  A very nice trip report indeed. Warren

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     it wasn’t the dwarf.     the phone woke me from a desperate dream involving my seventh grade math teacher, ms. rogers, and a thong bikini.  i looked at the glowing numbers on the digital clock, and watched in near disbelief as i finally realized that "4:30" kept blinking at me as i mumbled responses to the voice on the other end of the line.  high pitched, youthful, and bursting with excitement, the language predicted an arrival within the hour.  feeling precisely like a character from the beatles’ "sgt. pepper"  (woke up, fell out of bed, ran a comb across my hair…), i gathered my beloved little hamilton bamboo and some ragged remnants of what now seems another life and prepared for the arrival of ol zimbo the earnest.  instead of a knock on the door, i get a cell call.  dude is lost; an easy thing to do in a metropolis such as greensboro, nc.  i direct him unerringly to my new digs, and we are off in a whirl of  coffee fumes and early morning hopes.     after a trip made quick by the always pleasant exchange of ideas between myself and my fellow traveler (not) we arrived at chez waldo, a location made bearable only by the presence of little marie the long-suffering.  we geared up and fell (almost literally) into the very cold waters of the mighty watauga river, all of thirty feet wide.  the bastards were tougher than any stockers i have ever run across, falling only to small pt nymphs driven deep with lead.  yeah, forty, i know, that ain’t trout fishin; but it beats a cedar branch shoved up your anal cavity.     hoping that the water up on grandfather mountain would warm by midday, really acting up as of late, so our progress was quite slow even on the downhill trip to the water.  but the trip was well worth the pain.  this creek is breathtaking in its raw beauty.  flowing though a gorge filled with cabin-sized granite rocks, plunge pools, and falls, it is the archtype carolina freestone backwoods stream.  the water was higher than i would have ever thought, and so cold that staying in it for longer than about twenty minutes at a time was an act of courage or foolishness, depending upon one’s philosophy.  as the more mature members of the threesome held steady to a committment to fish as a gentleman, the irrepressible zimbo dredged the long, black runs with his favorite weapons:  tiny nymphs, lead, and a stick-on.  of course, if one is to be an objective reporter, one must admit that he met with far more success than did we.  but in the final analysis, life is about quality, not quantity…i think.     a moment’s excitement was created when a rainbow of over a foot in length, with the characteristic black back and dark red stripe, surged from a seam between very fast water and a foam covered eddy to smash my 16 para adams.  i snapped the 5x as if it were a spyder’s web in my panicked overreaction.  it’s been a long time between strikes.     photography was a more productive activity than fishing, and i can hardly wait to see the prints of my companions and their environment:  weak little primates crawling around and up the pebbles of the gods, waving their foolish sticks and feathers in futility, cradled by the strength of timeless rock and the relentless, indomitable water that flows across its surface.     it was good to be back where trout live. from the beauty of the old north state to all of you, i remain yr obt svt a. wayne harrison

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Fed and "entertained"?  You marry a Hooters girl?

She is a 38"DD — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day?

It’s a Hallmark holiday.  Go fishing, come back early, take the family to dinner….or better yet make her a home cooked fresh fish dinner and tell her you just HAD to go fishing or it wouldn’t have been special just for her (just make sure you stop by the grocery store on the way home if you get skunked).      - Ken

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This is the wife of Jon.  He was feeling a bit unsure about going fishing on mother’s day.  I only want to explain why

Ingrid, You sound like a wonderful wife! I might say "perfect" but I’m sure that would cause a bit of consternation amongst the merry (married…) ROFFians! Jon’s lucky to have you, and I hope your life together is always happy. But most of all, Happy Mothers’ Day to you (AND all the other Moms on ROFF!) Cheers, Rick

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Ingrid;     I’ve been married to a wonderful woman for what will be 17 years next week.  You may have read some joking comments here and there in this thread, but the truth is that we fish because of who we are, we come home because of who you are.  My wonderful wife Brenda and you could be cut from the same cloth.     Jon goes to fish because of his love of the sport and all that it encompasses.  Some say its a primal urge.  His love and obvious caring  for you is another primal urge that makes him want to stay home.  Instant conflict.     I lost my first wife in childbirth when she was but 21.  From that sad situation on the one hand and the joyous life I’ve had with Brenda on the other, I’ve learned an important fact.  It is not an individual day that makes a relationship or a memory.  It is the sum of the caring.  Jon and you have obviously learned this.  Many never do.  Congratulations.  We all wish you, and all of you wonderful women who stand by us a very happy mothers’ day.                                     Frank Reid

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Fed and "entertained"?  You marry a Hooters girl? She is a 38"DD

EEEK!!!  Aren’t those bigger than you?  :-)      - Ken

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Fed and "entertained"?  You marry a Hooters girl? She is a 38"DD EEEK!!!  Aren’t those bigger than you?  :-)

Sometimes it seems like that. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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hello all you fishers out there. This is the wife of Jon.  He was feeling a bit unsure about going fishing on mother’s day.  I only want to explain why he is probably feeling unsure.  We agreed that every other weekend we get a day off to pursue enjoyable activity.  This way, we each get a day for ourself while the other tends to the children.  This leaves a day for family day. I work full time, and happen to be in the thick of a big deadline.  Sooo not only have I worked these past two weeks, I have worked at five in the morning, all day, on my weekend day off, etc. So…having missed my day off, and feeling tired from tending the baby in the middle of night, working on my deadline, etc. I mentioned that I may be a bit tired on Mother’s day. I also encouraged Jon to continue with his plans to fish on Mother’s day, as he can’t do it on Saturday since I will be working overtime. I really want him to be able to go. I don’t want to clean the house and do the laundry and yardwork on Sunday, since we haven’t done it all week. That was the one and only dilemma.  Soooo, now you all who are in support of him going can feel happy that I send him off with good wishes  ( i always did) If I don’t have to spend sunday working in the house. I will enjoy some private time with my girls.  I will be happy that jon, who spends most of his time at his desk, will be outdoors adn getting fresh air and excercise. Thank you all for your interest.  I hope this also makes Jon a bit at ease in going.  (But he will be cleaning Saturday night.  haha) happy fishing…ingrid * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Not to torture your decision any firther, but if you look back in to deja news for last mothers day you will find a post explaining a theory about why I’ve never really nailed the black stone hatch though I’ve been on the lookout for two decades… Don’t let the dog out. Your pal, — TW – Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the Creel" "A cash flow runs through it" "It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout"

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Yeah, I thought this was a no brainer. *NO* you don’t go flyfishing (unless she fishes and wants to go, with no input from you!). Don’t listen to ET1, he hasn’t been married very long, and if he follows his own advice, won’t be!

I’ve been married over 20 years, my wife doesn’t fish, and I’ll probably go out mother’s day if the weather is nice. Hallmark and florists love you other guys, though (and so do I if you’re not out crowding up the stream)<g. — Charlie…

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: (4) Secretly buy yourself a new fly rod for Father’s day Nah, if you really want points, when she suggests buying you a new rod for father’s day, tell her you’re happy with what you have, and you don’t need anything new.

I’ll agree that Steve’s got a better plan than I, but come on, what good are the points if you don’t cash them in anytime.  Fact of the matter is, if she’s actually offering you a new rod it means she’s scheming for something even more expensive for herself.  Since you’re gonna lose no matter what, take the rod. ,      - Ken P.S.  Got my S.O. convinced that she wants a new mini-laptop for graduation, guess who gets to play with it.  :-)  (I may be newly married, but I know the drill)

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Yeah, I thought this was a no brainer. *NO* you don’t go flyfishing (unless she fishes and wants to go, with no input from you!). Don’t listen to ET1, he hasn’t been married very long, and if he follows his own advice, won’t be! I’ve been married over 20 years, my wife doesn’t fish, and I’ll probably go out mother’s day if the weather is nice. Hallmark and florists love you other guys, though (and so do I if you’re not out crowding up the stream)<g.

I’ve been married 6 months, living together for 6 years, wife does fish, but I still have to go to mother-in-law’s house come Sunday. The plus side being that M.I.L. lives on the coast and we have to drive through the coast range to get there.  I’ll bet ya a week’s pay that if I’ve got rods in the back, we’ll get to stop on the way to or from.  She may be sucked into Hallmark holidays, but she’d probably be studying for finals otherwise so I’m not complaining… …much.      - Ken

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Well, if it’s any consolation, I’m going to be fishing on the Big Horn on Mother’s Day. Granted, I got really lucky (don’t know how!) and have a wonderful wife who knows of my need to fish but she is really ok with it. She did say that I had to at least get here some flowers for Mom’s Day. I’d say you have to weigh your relationship that you have with you woman. — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

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26 years and she loves me and knows the other love in my life is never a threat.  i love her even more for this.  however we had been married about 5 years when she discovered i could slip out of the bed at 4, go fishing, and was willing to come back and take the ass chewing.  she got tired first… i learned this from my favorite labrador. fishworship wayne w

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day

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Wellsir, This will sound like a cop-out, but I’ll try anyhow:  I’m guessing that you’ve been married (or at least together) for at least 6 years at this point.  I’m hoping that if you *really* consider the question thoughtfully, you’ll know the answer without our input. I don’t fish as often as I’d like, but it’s a trade-off for the privilege of being a dad, and being married 14 years to the same, gracious woman (who does not complain on those occasions when I do get out for some time on the water).  Someday, the kids will be uninterested in your lavish affection, your wife will have book club or garden society meetings scheduled, and you will have truckloads of time to be filled with something. Since you asked, I’d lean toward not fishing.  Instead, consider what you could do or say that would truly delight the mother of your children.  Savor her response, and plan on fishing another day. just my $0.02 (your mileage may vary). Bob Card – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day?

Of course you should go fishing.  I would limit it to a half day without letting her know that and make some very special plans for her that night.  I used to go and catch fresh fish for my wife and then cook her dinner and have flowers and stuff for her.  She seemed to really enjoy the meal and gifts and the personal attention I gave her on the special day.   Although, the last 2 years I stayed home and now am getting a divorce.  You make the choice. Warren X#-[

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two Jonnie, Jonnie, Jonnie. I’ve been there before several times. Here’s what you need to do. Follow these instructions carefully: (1) Tell her that she is much more important to you than fly fishing (lie if you have to) and that you’d never think of fishing on her special day. (2) Make her a lovely dinner and buy her a nice gift (3) Tell her over dinner that you want to go fly fishing for Father’s Day weekend (4) Secretly buy yourself a new fly rod for Father’s day Take a quick look at the calendar and you’ll see that if you follow this plan you will not only gain extra points with your wife (meaning more fishing trips down the road), but you will also be able to fish three weekends in a row (June 11th, 18th, and 25th). You are welcome –Steve

Steve, I think you have the right idea.  Let me also say, I just went back to your web-site and you have a beautiful family.  With a family like that, why would any man want to do anything else other than spend time with the people he loves on "Mother’s Day."  I just wish I didn’t have to work on Mother’s Day.  I can’t get out of it. Let me also say to the rest of you, don’t go out for Mother’s Day. Someone has to work keeping you fed and entertained and it just ruins the day for them.  Trust me, I know. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day?

If you can do it, perhaps you could make an investment in the future and teach your wife mother, and/or mother in law to flyfish…Then you’d HAVE to take them out fishing on Mother’s day.

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Let me also say to the rest of you, don’t go out for Mother’s Day. Someone has to work keeping you fed and entertained and it just ruins the day for them.  Trust me, I know.

Fed and "entertained"?  You marry a Hooters girl?      - Ken

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Well, all I can say is – you guys haven’t helped me a bit. It’s just beautiful.  I love you guys.  To clarify a couple of things – we just celebrated our 10th wedding anniversary in April.  My wife does not like to eat trout and does not fish.  Taking the girls – well, I like the suggestion, but I’d be better off taking them to the park. I told her last night I was asking the world their opinion on this matter. She again insisted I go.  I’m leaning toward the early return, fix a nice meal version.  Thanks guys. JE * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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She again insisted I go.

After being married for 10 years, you probably don’t need me to point out that what she says is not necessarily what she means (Mars vs. Venus). Afterward, see if this conversation sounds familiar: She:  "I can’t believe you went fishing on Mother’s Day!" You:  "But you told me to go." She:  "Only because I thought it was so damned important to you.   After all, you asked the whole world if it was a good idea." You:  "If you didn’t want me to go, why didn’t you say so?" She:  "I shouldn’t have to say so.   If I were really as important to you as your fishing, you would have known without me saying anything." etc., etc., etc. You have to completely ignore anything she says, read her mind, and do what she’s thinking you should do.   Good luck.   But you’ll still be wrong because you even considered the idea for a second. Been there, Joe F.

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take the kids with you and give her a day of peace and quiet Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

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So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day?

Hi, Jonnie I’m a bachelor, and considering taking on a new roommate. If you go fishing on Mothers’ Day, my money says you’ll be a candidate. Stay home and treat her right! She’ll give you another weekend. Otherwise you can go fishing EVERY weekend, and probably even take your girls on visitation days! BTW, Happy Mothers’ Day to all the Moms on ROFF! Cheers, Rick

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My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two

Jonnie, Jonnie, Jonnie. I’ve been there before several times. Here’s what you need to do. Follow these instructions carefully: (1) Tell her that she is much more important to you than fly fishing (lie if you have to) and that you’d never think of fishing on her special day. (2) Make her a lovely dinner and buy her a nice gift (3) Tell her over dinner that you want to go fly fishing for Father’s Day weekend (4) Secretly buy yourself a new fly rod for Father’s day Take a quick look at the calendar and you’ll see that if you follow this plan you will not only gain extra points with your wife (meaning more fishing trips down the road), but you will also be able to fish three weekends in a row (June 11th, 18th, and 25th). You are welcome –Steve

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My wife and I made a deal.  I could go fishing one day every other weekend.  That was our deal.  That was two months ago.  All in all a pretty ok deal since she works and the girls are 6 and 1 years old respectively.  But blast if this weekend isn’t one of the fishing weekends. She keeps saying it’s ok, but the mentioning of Mother’s day keeps finding it’s way into the sentences before and after.  I know – go Saturday – well I can’t.  She’s gotta work.  Am I selfish even to consider fishing on Mother’s day?  I mean she’s not MY mother.  Oh, wait – she is the mother of our children.  That counts for something doesn’t it?  Dam those Hallmark bastards.  So I ask you ROFF – do I fish on Mother’s day? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Sorry if this topic has been covered before…     It is time for me to start thinking about freshening up my gear for the spring season.  I will need new lines on both my 6wt and 5wt rods.  For the 5wt. I will need a DT and a WF.  For the 6 wt I will need a WF and a sinking tip WF. In your collective experience what is the best line available in these weights?  Consider all-around fishing for both trout and warm-water species. TIA Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sorry if this topic has been covered before…    It is time for me to start thinking about freshening up my gear for = the spring season.  I will need new lines on both my 6wt and 5wt rods.  = For the 5wt. I will need a DT and a WF.  For the 6 wt I will need a WF = and a sinking tip WF. In your collective experience what is the best line available in these = weights?  Consider all-around fishing for both trout and warm-water = species. TIA Joe

Hi All, (#5 rod) I like double tapers for #3, 4 or 5 weight rods for stream fishing. They will usually have a shorter front taper that is better for short work and that will allow more belly out on short cast to load up the rod. On real short casts, a short rod, short front taper and short leader will allow you to have out way more belly to load up the rod. I think any of the top SA or Cortland lines are good. (#6 rod) I would get an SA Mastery Distance, Cortland 444Lazer or Cortland 444SL line in a weight forward #6 floater for that size rod. The best casting sink tips are the new SA Mastery Wet Tips. They have done something to the blending of the floating and sinking materials to eliminate the hinging effect. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, (#5 rod) I like double tapers for #3, 4 or 5 weight rods for stream fishing. They will usually have a shorter front taper that is better for short work and that will allow more belly out on short cast to load up the rod. On real short casts, a short rod, short front taper and short leader will allow you to have out way more belly to load up the rod. I think any of the top SA or Cortland lines are good. (#6 rod) I would get an SA Mastery Distance, Cortland 444Lazer or Cortland 444SL line in a weight forward #6 floater for that size rod. The best casting sink tips are the new SA Mastery Wet Tips. They have done something to the blending of the floating and sinking materials to eliminate the hinging effect. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Bill Can you give us a bit more detail about those Wet Tips.  I should be using a sink tip for fishing speys to steelies but I hate casting the things.  I once klunked myself on the head casting a big saltwater fly on a 9 weight, for pike.  Sorta lost my enthusiasim for sink tips afterward.  Even when I mastered casting it, it was still too much like work.  Do the Wet Tips cast half-decently? Peter Peter        Merry Christmas

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Greetings! I am interested in discussing saltwater flyfishing techniques with anyone who has tried it in the Pacific Northwest.  I’m especially interested in talking to folks who may have tried flyfishing for cod, seabass, or salmon species. Thanks! Best Wishes, Tim Wittman

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Greetings! I am interested in discussing saltwater flyfishing techniques with anyone who has tried it in the Pacific Northwest.  I’m especially interested in talking to folks who may have tried flyfishing for cod, seabass, or salmon species. Thanks! Best Wishes, Tim Wittman

     i have tried, been fairly successful, and had a great time.  i really enjoy fishing for seabass (black rockfish).  it is more difficult without a boat, but casting flies from a jetty is very challenging fishing, from casting to landing fish.      as for tackle, i use a 9.5 ft. 9 wt.  with a ten foot section of cortland quick descent 425 or 325 grain sink tip.  i use a short leader, with 10 or 12 lb. maxima leader.  the flies i use are tube flies, mostly baitfish patterns from 2-5 inches long. the coolest thing about jetty fishing is when you happen to hook one of the big lings, i haven’t landed one yet (they swim into and under the jetty), but they sure can pull.      as for salmon, a boat helps in puget sound, although there is some beach access for resident coho.  look at the new regs for the strait this year, a 2 week, catch and release, surface flies only coho fishery this summer.  i would like to know if anybody in computer land has had any success fishing pink salmon in the strait of juan de fuca, especially flies and fly lines?       as for cod, i just do not know.  the local paper ran an article a couple days ago on the need for saltwater sanctuaries to bring back bottomfish(cod included) in puget sound. good luck, chris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings! I am interested in discussing saltwater flyfishing techniques with anyone who has tried it in the Pacific Northwest.  I’m especially interested in talking to folks who may have tried flyfishing for cod, seabass, or salmon species. Thanks! Best Wishes, Tim Wittman

There are plenty of folks around here doing this; you might want to contact The Northwest Angler in Poulsbo, they specialize in saltwater. They aren’t on line yet, we’re working on it. Fish on, Allen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings! I am interested in discussing saltwater flyfishing techniques with anyone who has tried it in the Pacific Northwest.  I’m especially interested in talking to folks who may have tried flyfishing for cod, seabass, or salmon species. Thanks! Best Wishes, Tim Wittman

Tim, You might want to try the WaFlyfishers, an email list I maintain.  Send email to:   Subject line.   Activity on the list is sporadic, but there a couple of avid salt-water fly fishers, including myself, that will try to keep you posted. Let me know if you have any problems with the list or if you have any other questions.  BTW, where abouts do you hail from?? -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA, US * Notice:  Email address modified to foil SPAMMERS!!  * *          Delete "cut-it-out" from my email address  * *          to reply.  Sorry for the inconvenience.    *

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I’m moving to the Patapsco River, MD area near Ellicott City.  Any recommendations on good fly fishing spots and what types of fish?

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Steve, I fish a few areas of the Patapsco, mostly between the dam at Daniels Road and the Rt. 70 bridge.  It’s loaded with smallmouths, rockbass and bluegill.  They recently stocked it with trout, so there’s no sense even fishing it right now.  From mid May through late October it’s one of the most delightful streams I’ve ever fished.  Shallow, firm bottom, lots of rocks and boulders, and very few people bother with it.  Access is easy, with railroad tracks on one side and a bike trail on the other.  Good luck. Doug  

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try the Patapsco. (0r the gunpowder, potomac, cheseapeake bay, wherever you look.)  (Be more specific:  salt, brack, lake, trout, smallmouth, largemouth, picky trout, easy trout, big trout, little trout, far drive, near drive, wow.  If you are a trout purist you will do ok. . .Wolfe’s fly shop in Ellicott City. ) Dave

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