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Hello Everyone,  I’m gearing up to do a bit of small lake fishing next week.  I really haven’t done much lake fly fishing over the past few years so I’m not real sure what to bring along for patterns.  Can anyone suggest some good "general" patterns for exploration on high mountain lakes? TIA

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Hello Everyone,  I’m gearing up to do a bit of small lake fishing next week.  I really haven’t done much lake fly fishing over the past few years so I’m not real sure what to bring along for patterns.  Can anyone suggest some good "general" patterns for exploration on high mountain lakes? TIA

These are the flies I use over here in Scotland on hill lochs :- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/flyindex.html especially the "Dry fly", "Hill Loch Nymph" and "Iron Blue Wetfly". — Don`t Worry, Be Happy       Sandy —       Website:-  http://www.ftscotland.co.uk     IRC:- Sandyb in #rabble  uk3.arcnet.vapor.com Port:6667      #Rabble Channel Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/rabble              ICQ : 41266150

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These are the flies I use over here in Scotland on hill lochs :- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk/flyindex.html especially the "Dry fly", "Hill Loch Nymph" and "Iron Blue Wetfly".

Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here…. — Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. … and they all stink!

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Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here….

Yeah, beats the hell out of gratuitous insults, don’t it? Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one.

makes you superfluous, huh? … and they all stink!

We are pleased to bow to your authority. Wolfgang o.k., who wants to ask how someone comes to know so much about rectal redolence?

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Thanks for the link Sandy!  It’s good to see someone talk about fly fishing around here…. Yeah, beats the hell out of gratuitous insults, don’t it?

Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. makes you superfluous, huh?

… and they all stink! We are pleased to bow to your authority.

— Opinions are like assholes.  Everyone’s got one. … and they all stink!

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Not wishing to be a spoilsport or anything, and no offence to Sandy, but she is not the only lady posting. Cyli keeps getting forgotten it seems. She posts regularly.

I didn’t know I had an angling sister on this ng!  Cool!  Thanks for saying so, Mike. Sandy

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the *one* fine *lady*–quite serious–that graces this NG!

Now, Opie, you don’t want to leave Sandy out, do you? — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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My most sincere apologies!  I had no idea?  I never considered?  Oh hell, before I get into any deeper shit.  Sorry, Cyli. Cyberspace can be so….um…damn….confusin’ sometimes! Actually, the waters have been nice and cool of late. Opie –the quite embarrassed–

‘Sokay.  I took it in good humour.  And responded in a way I hope is also taken as good humour. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Not wishing to be a spoilsport or anything, and no offence to Sandy, but she is not the only lady posting. Cyli keeps getting forgotten it seems. She posts regularly. I didn’t know I had an angling sister on this ng!  Cool!  Thanks for saying so, Mike. Sandy

My alias doesn’t seem to lend itself to thoughts of femaleness. Though the vixen part my sig file would be a clue to those who know something about wildlife. If my sig file still shows up. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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My alias doesn’t seem to lend itself to thoughts of femaleness. Though the vixen part my sig file would be a clue to those who know something about wildlife. If my sig file still shows up. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless

Sorry cyli, or vixen??  Guess it’s just because I don’t know what the rbc: stands for, so I wasn’t clear on what the word vixen was referring to.  And that, followed by Fairly harmless.  What would you have us call you? BTW — I checked out your link, and am very impressed by the emotional impact of your artwork!  Are those all pastels?  Are you still painting nowadays? Sandy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My alias doesn’t seem to lend itself to thoughts of femaleness. Though the vixen part my sig file would be a clue to those who know something about wildlife. If my sig file still shows up. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Sorry cyli, or vixen??  Guess it’s just because I don’t know what the rbc: stands for, so I wasn’t clear on what the word vixen was referring to.  And that, followed by Fairly harmless.  What would you have us call you? BTW — I checked out your link, and am very impressed by the emotional impact of your artwork!  Are those all pastels?  Are you still painting nowadays? Sandy

That’s impressive stuff – some of it reminds me of photos of Jupiter’s Red Spot – the word ‘fluid’ just doesn’t do it justice.  BTW, up here, rbc stands for Royal Bank of Canada – somehow, I don’t think that’s what you had intended.  <G (Soon to be coming to a bank near you.) Someone with an artistic mind would see fishing differently than would one (like me) who goes through life with a cold blooded, linear, analytical approach.  You should share your insights sometime – don’t be worried about your newbie fly fishing status – we were all there at some point in our lives.  A unique viewpoint would be very refreshing. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’m afraid that I was also the victim of ignorance in this case.  I figured that rbc:  vixen was some sort of computer code, known only to those adept in such fields.  I am glad to know, now, that there are *at least* two fine ladies that frequent ROFF! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My alias doesn’t seem to lend itself to thoughts of femaleness. Though the vixen part my sig file would be a clue to those who know something about wildlife. If my sig file still shows up. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Sorry cyli, or vixen??  Guess it’s just because I don’t know what the rbc: stands for, so I wasn’t clear on what the word vixen was referring to. And that, followed by Fairly harmless.  What would you have us call you? BTW — I checked out your link, and am very impressed by the emotional impact of your artwork!  Are those all pastels?  Are you still painting nowadays? Sandy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My alias doesn’t seem to lend itself to thoughts of femaleness. Though the vixen part my sig file would be a clue to those who know something about wildlife. If my sig file still shows up. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Sorry cyli, or vixen??  Guess it’s just because I don’t know what the rbc: stands for, so I wasn’t clear on what the word vixen was referring to.  And that, followed by Fairly harmless.  What would you have us call you? BTW — I checked out your link, and am very impressed by the emotional impact of your artwork!  Are those all pastels?  Are you still painting nowadays?

Oh, it’s a rec.backcounty joke.  Many have animal callings over there and one day the net.ranger challenged me to name my animal.  I was feeling cute, fleet, and snappish.  The rbc stands for recbackcountry. Cyli is just fine.  It’s pronounced ’silly.’  I found I was becoming way too serious.  It’s been one heck of a job training all the people I work with to use my alias (there’s another person with the same real life first name as mine working near me.).  Takes about a week of my not answering to my real name.  As half the people (including two of the bosses) knew me for years on local BBSes by Cyli and called me by it (especially as one of the bosses married a woman of the same first name).  It’s a very relaxed place, as long as we get the work done.  I do recognize vixen, but only in text, I’d not respond to it in person. Thanks for the compliments on my art.  It’s all done in binary, but with imitations of real artists tools.  Not  with programming or the kind of image stuff that Web artists and advertising for magazines use (not that there’s anything wrong with either.  But I don’t have the tools or the inclination for it.).  I used Painter II and Corel PhotoPaint 3  to do them.  Mostly I used the oil paint and water colour tools.  One of the advantages of binary is that you can use water colour over or under oil. And clean up and set up are as simple as one or two clicks.  Nonetheless, they still take the same number of hours to do that they would in ‘real’ art. I’ve not done much recently.  I have some that I really should finish (where I do use usual Web style tools) by putting frames around them and so forth and put up as another page.  But my job and something about my mother’s death (even though it was 3 years ago) put me into stop mode on creating.  I expect to get back to it within a couple more years. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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That’s impressive stuff – some of it reminds me of photos of Jupiter’s Red Spot – the word ‘fluid’ just doesn’t do it justice.  BTW, up here, rbc stands for Royal Bank of Canada – somehow, I don’t think that’s what you had intended.  <G (Soon to be coming to a bank near you.) Someone with an artistic mind would see fishing differently than would one (like me) who goes through life with a cold blooded, linear, analytical approach.  You should share your insights sometime – don’t be worried about your newbie fly fishing status – we were all there at some point in our lives.  A unique viewpoint would be very refreshing.

Thanks.  Fluid is pretty much what I aim for, as I sort of  paint emotions, which are always at least a little fluid.  No, not bank. Though I suspect I’d like to have a share of their vaults. I don’t know if I see fishing differently.  Maybe.  The beauty of a stringer of browns that I saw a year ago, lying on green weeds next to the stream may have stayed with me a bit longer than it would have with most.   Especially as they weren’t my browns.  I’m also pretty big on large trees that have been dead long enough for the bark to be gone.  I can sit on one and contemplate the far end of it very happily for some time.  Or sit on a stream bank and look at one that’s lying partly in and partly out of the stream.  They have interesting patterns and shapes and, like clouds, can form pictures in the mind. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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I’m afraid that I was also the victim of ignorance in this case.  I figured that rbc:  vixen was some sort of computer code, known only to those adept in such fields.  

As explained above, it almost sort of maybe is… I am glad to know, now, that there are *at least* two fine ladies that frequent ROFF! Op

Thank you sir.  And probably wise of you to assume there might be lurkers of female status.  Who knows what / who lurkers may be. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Thanks for the compliments on my art.  It’s all done in binary, but with imitations of real artists tools.

Outstanding!! I’ve not done much recently.  I have some that I really should finish (where I do use usual Web style tools) by putting frames around them and so forth and put up as another page.  But my job and something about my mother’s death (even though it was 3 years ago) put me into stop mode on creating.  I expect to get back to it within a couple more years.

Let us know when you update your site.  I’m anxious to see more.  :^) Sandy

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Brian don’t mind these freshmen!  One is from Montana and the other couldn’t find a stream in his own backyard. Are you a resident of NC?  If so, pick-up a Delorme’s map for NC.  I the front section you will find a list off NC trout streams with locations. If you hang out here long enough, you will inevitably end up fishin’ with myself or one of the many other ROFFians from NC, as long as you don’t insult the *one* fine *lady*–quite serious–that graces this NG!

Not wishing to be a spoilsport or anything, and no offence to Sandy, but she is not the only lady posting. Cyli keeps getting forgotten it seems. She posts regularly. If you are from outta state, let me know when you plan to visit and I will be happy to guide you to some fine steams in my area.  Free of charge of course!

That explains how you keep getting into hot water! TL MC

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Only on e-Bay! Op

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My most sincere apologies!  I had no idea?  I never considered?  Oh hell, before I get into any deeper shit.  Sorry, Cyli. Cyberspace can be so….um…damn….confusin’ sometimes! Actually, the waters have been nice and cool of late. Opie –the quite embarrassed–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brian don’t mind these freshmen!  One is from Montana and the other couldn’t find a stream in his own backyard. Are you a resident of NC?  If so, pick-up a Delorme’s map for NC.  I the front section you will find a list off NC trout streams with locations. If you hang out here long enough, you will inevitably end up fishin’ with myself or one of the many other ROFFians from NC, as long as you don’t insult the *one* fine *lady*–quite serious–that graces this NG! Not wishing to be a spoilsport or anything, and no offence to Sandy, but she is not the only lady posting. Cyli keeps getting forgotten it seems. She posts regularly. If you are from outta state, let me know when you plan to visit and I will be happy to guide you to some fine steams in my area.  Free of charge of course! That explains how you keep getting into hot water! TL MC

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I will be happy to guide you to some fine steams in my area.  Free of charge of course!

Do you sell bass bugs, too? <g — Charlie…

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http//:www.wnctrout.com for good nc info…. –waldo If there are any NC resident, I would like to hear there suggestions for Good NC Streams. Thanks…

– Wilson Creek Outfitters, Ezflyfish.com, Inc. 115 East Union Street; Morganton, NC 28655 http://www.ezflyfish.com

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man, North Carolina has been fished out for years….. john

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If there are any NC resident, I would like to hear there suggestions for Good NC Streams. Thanks…

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  If there are any NC resident, I would like to hear there suggestions for Good NC Streams. Thanks…

First, tell us all about your home waters.  Where are the best places to fish, what flies do we use, when are the best hatches, when is the best time of year to fish, etc so we can add it to our dossier of places to fish so that we may have the info for future querries. Thanks in advance. Warren (Hopefully one of them NC boys will take pity on you and drop you a line via email with some suggestions.  If not, do a deja.com search under NC and get all the info they let slip:-)

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If there are any NC resident, I would like to hear there suggestions for Good NC Streams. Thanks…

We try to keep these smaller streams out of the headlines.  Drop me an email and I’ll tell you where I don’t catch any fish – at least you can cross those off your list

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Brian don’t mind these freshmen!  One is from Montana and the other couldn’t find a stream in his own backyard. Are you a resident of NC?  If so, pick-up a Delorme’s map for NC.  I the front section you will find a list off NC trout streams with locations.  If you hang out here long enough, you will inevitably end up fishin’ with myself or one of the many other ROFFians from NC, as long as you don’t insult the *one* fine *lady*–quite serious–that graces this NG! If you are from outta state, let me know when you plan to visit and I will be happy to guide you to some fine steams in my area.  Free of charge of course! Opie

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Could you be more specific on where in B.C. you are going to finish your schooling.   Hi all   I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                               thanx

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I request that your residence have an extra room, set aside specifically for ROFFian visitors, you hold a Clave once a year in August, you never marry and you are to never move again! Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**   Hi all   I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                               thanx

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Hi all I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                             thanx

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Yes, I too find myself fishing for ‘gills and crappies quite often. Whenever I take children fishing, which is pretty often in the summer, the almost constant action keeps them really excited. Besides pan fish are a lot more tasty than any other freshwater fish…..IMHO Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange

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haven’t fish for ‘em much, but I heard of a killer tip:  in the fall, after the 2nd or 3rd good cold front, go fish the absolute deepest part of the lake (reservoir) with crickets – fish on the bottom,this is where the monster ‘gills are……. — ‘92 Dak CC 2wd 318 3.55 ‘84 GoldWing Interstate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Readers        Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

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Yeah I like to fish for"we call’em bluegill" out here in Oregon. Right now it is pretty cold for them. Ialso like to go fishing for perch. My son & I have agood spot to fish for perch & bluegil. My son lives up in Washington state & we always get enough for a good fish dinner.I also

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       Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail,

Brad Count me in – on the water, or on the ice, if they will bite, I’ll fish for them. Wild rice beds in August is where I’ve had the best sucess – in about 5-6′ of water, using about .5-.75" section of leach, with about a #8 or #10 hook and a balsa wood pencil type bobber. Combine that w/ an ultra light and 4 or 6# test line and I’m a happy camper. And just to keep it interesting – look out for the occasional LM Bass or Northern. No better eating fish either. Later Jim

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Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

   You’ll find that most fly fishermen in the deep south pursue panfish and other warm water species (aint a lotta trout in Fl.) myself included. Some trout flies work well such as the wooly bugger and all the terestrials. Crawfish imitations are also productive as are grass shrimp. small poppers in various colors also put food on the table. I use the 7.5′(because of brush) 3 piece 3wt Cabela’s three forks rod for panfish. It’s a great little rod though a bit soft feeling to cast but has plenty of backbone. Use 7x tippets. It’s a real lark netting a 1lb panfish and to my way of thinking is the ultimate fishing experience.                                                           John Popp                                                         in Sanford Fl.

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I dig um’ Tim Apple " Always one step closer to going Postal! " – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.   You’ll find that most fly fishermen in the deep south pursue panfish and other warm water species (aint a lotta trout in Fl.) myself included. Some trout flies work well such as the wooly bugger and all the terestrials. Crawfish imitations are also productive as are grass shrimp. small poppers in various colors also put food on the table. I use the 7.5′(because of brush) 3 piece 3wt Cabela’s three forks rod for panfish. It’s a great little rod though a bit soft feeling to cast but has plenty of backbone. Use 7x tippets. It’s a real lark netting a 1lb panfish and to my way of thinking is the ultimate fishing experience.                                                          John Popp                                                        in Sanford Fl.

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Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

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Dear Readers         Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them?

YES!  Down here in AL I have access to a pond that is loaded with big black-headed, thick bream.  I love that "side to side" action and screaming microlight drag when I hook into one.  Besides that, they taste better than a bass any day!  I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

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Oh Yes! Two of my all time favorites is the Red Ear and the Pumpkinseed. People don’t know what fun these little guys can be. Here in SW MO there are a couple of small lakes full of Panfish. Down in this area the best bait is a small squirrel tail jig + wax worms. The largest Red Ear taken from on of the lakes was a little over 12". !0" fish a common around here which in turn, takes less to make a tasty meal. Kevin Way – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Readers        Are there any of you-all out there, besides me, that are into fishing for them? I’m always interested in trading lure and live bait tips, locales, recipes, and such.  So, if anybody is interested, please reply to this board or EMail, Thanks BradLaGrange PS-Sorry for my crude typing, my hands are really stiff from the splitting wood in the cold.

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Has anyone done any bonefishing in Roatan?  Are there guides available? Thanks in advance. Ken

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I’ve been to Roatan but not fished there Jack Sampson in the book "Salt Water Fly Fishing" talks about flyfishing for permit, bill fish  and jack crevalle near there at Guanaja- a ferry ride away. I saw places that looked like they would have to have bonefish but didn’t have a fly rod along. herb

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I purchased  9′ #6  4- piece rod early this summer and have loved it….however  it not a sage or an orvis…but at a  better price…

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Check the reel seat. I purchased 2 rods for my grandsons a few years ago, and the reelseats failed in 6 months. the metal formed ring that holds the reel broke on both rods had to tape the reels on. While they don’t cost as much as a Sage, or Orvis, if you do a lot of flyfishing buy a rod that will give you years of service not 6 months. I have been flyfishing for 50+ years and have seen them all. Buy good blanks, build your own. Use snake guides, rather than single foot, as single foot bend, and snake guides don’t. Tight lines Art

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Check the reel seat. I purchased 2 rods for my grandsons a few years ago, and the reelseats failed in 6 months. …While they don’t cost as much as a Sage, or Orvis, if you do a lot of flyfishing buy a rod that will give you years of service not 6 months.

You could have returned the rods to Bean for repair or refund;Bean has a 100% guarantee on everything.  So really a Bean rod should be able to give you years of service. You might also take the time (if you can) to visit the Bean store in Freeport, and check the workmanship on their different rods.  The $400+ rods are nicer than the $100 ones.  You get what you pay for, eh?  On the other hand, *all* their rods are guaranteed, no matter the price. BTW, I agree that the best value is in building your own. Russell Gelinas

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We have set up a free site where flyfishermen can find other flyfishermen who have services to offer (Financial Planners, Business Consultants, Landscapers, etc.). We also offer links to sites we like as well as reviews of products or destinations we enjoy. Fly Shops can list free if they offer discounts to our viewers. We will accept products or invitations to destinations but will only offer reviews if we like them. Stop by and take a look. http://www.outofchaos.com/flyfishing.html Tight Lines, Dave Fischbach Charlie Levin

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  I have a web site that may be of interest to some guys out there.  I am selling off part of my flyshop to anyone of interest.  There are good opportunities to not only let you buy at cost but also for any entrepeneures to make a few bucks on their investment too.  If this is something that will work for your site let me know .  We could make return links and also probably do a posting on your site. e-mail address.                                  Thank You,                                                  Bret

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Hello all, A lucky friend is going to be visiting near Wells, B.C. (near Quesnel) at the end of March. He is really keen to take up fly fishing and wants to start up there…now I know the summer lake fishing in the Cariboos is fantastic, but I have no earthly idea what happens up there in March — isn’t everything still frozen solid, or would some nymphing in the local rivers be possible (and legal)? I kind of hate to tell the guy he’s going to have to wait for mid-April on the Credit since he’s never been to B.C. before in his life (and what better place to get the flyfishing bug!) Many thanks, — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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I have fished that area as well as many others in B.C..I have ice fished in Feb. but never later.Ice doesn’t leave most lakes until April-some in May.I believe that most trout streams are closed in March.

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I have fished that area as well as many others in B.C..I have ice fished in Feb. but never later.Ice doesn’t leave most lakes until April-some in May.I believe that most trout streams are closed in March.

The lakes with the exception of some very large lakes will likley be iced. The ice will possibly be mushy and unsafe. Rivers are closed. Stay home tie some flys or paint the house. Ralph H

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Rivers are closed. Stay home tie some flys or paint the house. Ralph H

Thanks Ralph and DH, that’s as I suspected. My poor friend won’t be happy to hear it, but maybe I can talk him into going on a road trip there this summer…=) at least he’ll get to do some location scouting. — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, A lucky friend is going to be visiting near Wells, B.C. (near Quesnel) at the end of March. He is really keen to take up fly fishing and wants to start up there…now I know the summer lake fishing in the Cariboos is fantastic, but I have no earthly idea what happens up there in March — isn’t everything still frozen solid, or would some nymphing in the local rivers be possible (and legal)? I kind of hate to tell the guy he’s going to have to wait for mid-April on the Credit since he’s never been to B.C. before in his life (and what better place to get the flyfishing bug!) Many thanks, — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

Cariboo in  March In late march there should be some lakes open. Check the weather channel and there are some sites on the web like the City of Kamloops that will give you some adresses to look up.Also take into consideration the higher the altitude the latter the thaw. Steven  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve read about a trouts field of view and its ability to sense vibration/disturbance through its lateral line. Does anyone know how well a trout can distinguish one object from another? Where I fish there are a lot of boulders and laurel. If I’m wearing subdued clothing and not splashing around, can a trout pick me out from the surrounding terrain? Find a copy of "In the Ring of the Rise" (Vincent Marinaro). More than you’ll ever want to know about trout vision… Cheers! /dave

Hi Dave I sure agree, V.Marinaro explains things very well. I especially remember him explaining about "one" hackle fiber on a pattern making the difference on catching or not catching fish. As I remember the hackle fiber was misplaced and extended over the eye of the hook or some-such. Good tying &… — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I’ve read about a trouts field of view and its ability to sense vibration/disturbance through its lateral line. Does anyone know how well a trout can distinguish one object from another? Where I fish there are a lot of boulders and laurel. If I’m wearing subdued clothing and not splashing around, can a trout pick me out from the surrounding terrain?

Find a copy of "In the Ring of the Rise" (Vincent Marinaro). More than you’ll ever want to know about trout vision… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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I am of the belief that if I can see a fish, the actual fish spots ‘n all, not shadows or riseforms, then they can definately see me. The problem then becomes one of threatening behaviour ie moving

I think you’ve got it about right there, Steve. Andrew

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How well can trout REALLY see?

Too damn well! -AR

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How well can trout REALLY see? Too damn well! -AR

After 15+ years of testing how well wild brown trout see…here are some basic conclusions IMHO: 1) they react to objects no farther than 45 feet left, right, and front in ideal visibility conditions 2) they react to objects (birds) as high as 80 ft. overhead in ideal visibility conditions 3) their optimum eyesight is about 8X that of a human’s from 4 ft. to 1 inch. BobE.

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92 degree window of vision….the deeper they are, the bigger this window gets. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How well can trout REALLY see? Too damn well! -AR

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I’ll tell you what…I’m planning on taking a dark brown magic marker to those damned white letters on the waders I got for christmas. TimW

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Re: How well can trout REALLY see? How well can trout REALLY see? Too damn well! -AR

After 15+ years of testing how well wild brown trout see…here are some basic conclusions IMHO: 1) they react to objects no farther than 45 feet left, right, and front in ideal visibility conditions 2) they react to objects (birds) as high as 80 ft. overhead in ideal visibility conditions 3) their optimum eyesight is about 8X that of a human’s from 4 ft. to 1 inch. BobE. <<<<<<<< How do you define "8X that of a humans?".  What experiments did you actually perform?  Have you published in a peer review journal? William Buchman

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TimW — Ha! Ha! Just stay downstream…no need to worry. Seriously, I’d like to apologise to those who read my previous post about 8x vision…while I truly believe that *wild* browns (at least in my home waters) have this effective vision, the techniques I used to "prove" this to myself are not based on the kind of scientific procedure that I’d be willing to defend in public. I have done many of my own tests over the last 15 years to satisfy myself that the 8x figure is the accurate *effective* vision of a wild brown in certain (if not, most) feeding conditions…the theory has served me well, because using this principle my catch rate dramatically improved when I was actively fishing browns from 1982-1990, especially in spring creek and clear water habitates. It’s a long and complicated story that many flyfishers more knowledgeable than me (especially Dr. Bachman, TimW, Mr. Zink, Al Beatty, and a whole bunch more) could shoot a lot of holes thru. (Even I can shoot holes thru it.) When all is said and done, I don’t know for certain what and how well brown trout see. I just use the 8x as a rule of thumb to gage the quality of all brown trout flies I tie. Simply stated, I believe that if all tyers considered the 8x as a standard measurement to gage the quality of their flies they would catch a lot more trout …but only Seth Green knows this for sure. And, all of us have stories about the biggest trout we ever caught hitting a ragged and torn fly that looked terrible. From now on, I’ll be a little more cautious about spewing me theories. Thanks for your understanding. BobE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll tell you what…I’m planning on taking a dark brown magic marker to those damned white letters on the waders I got for christmas. TimW

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I’ll tell you what…I’m planning on taking a dark brown magic marker to those damned white letters on the waders I got for christmas. TimW

No Tim,  Those white letters are called Christmas cards.  All you need do is unstick them from your waders. If you have any further problems I am sure that there is a club nearby who hold beginners evenings and would be willing to help. Cheers Bruce….<g

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How well can trout REALLY see?

Really well, but not nearly as acutely as human’s.  There is evidence that trout see farther into the ultraviolet and infrared at least while fingerlings and again during spawning.  If Ralph Cutter happens to read this, he could probably give you the specifics of the color spectrum studies.  No one can really tell you exactly what they see though, because no one has ever come back from being a fish – at least not with any memory of it.   However, based on the biological make-up of their eyes  we have some good guesses.   On the human eye, the fovea (sp?)  is a small indentation "" on the back of the retina that is covered with cone cells (color receptors).  They are in a very high concentration in this spot with very few rod cells (black and white or low-light receptors) in evidence.  The lens of the human eye focuses light on this fovea and that’s what gives us the visual acuity (sharp & clear vision) we enjoy – at least for a while.  In low light the rod cells expand allowing us to see in black & white.  Because there are few rod cells in the fovea,  you will often see an object more clearly in low light if you look slightly off to the side of it.  This puts more light on the surrounding rod cells and allows you to see the target better even if it is with your peripheral vision. Trout’s eyes have both rod cells and cone cells on the retina of their eye.  During normal light conditions the cone cells are expanded – during low light, the cone cells recede and the rod cells expand allowing them to see by starlight.  The retina does not however have a fovea, nor does the lens of the eye focus the light on any one small spot on the retina.  Best guess is that although trout can see color all around and can judge distances well within a 30 degree cone in front of them (binocular vision) everything is still blurry even from 2" away.  Acuity is somewhat lacking. This is perhaps one of the reasons why they take a fly that has an otherwise obvious hook hanging from it.  Also helps explain why impressionist or imitative flies usually work much better than "realistic flies" which may match the natural perfectly.                                  Hope this helps,                                             Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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, I know that I’ve seen trout streak 8-10 feet, from deep down, to take a small dry fly in moving water.  I’ve also seen one rise to a cigarette butt.  And I’ve scattered them from just far enough away for a good cast.  Suffice to say, that a trout’s vision in water is analogous to your vision in air–they’ve adapted to survive and flourish, as have we (assuming I’m a human and not a fish).  I can’t tell you if trout have 20/20 vision, what we think they see is just the best guess, only the trout know for sure.  I don’t pay much attention to what I wear under my vest, but I am careful about moving slowly and casting shadows. Anglerboy

And don’t forget they can see behind underwater objects like rocks and tree branches by using the reflective mirror of the surface film outside the ‘window’, where they see through the surface. Avoid heavy footfalls on the river bank or when wading as their lateral line vibration sense is acute. I think that may be how seatrout (anadromous browns) can detect my size 14 black pennel on a pitch black night…. Pete Marrow   work:  http://www.gsrg.nmh.ac.uk/   play:  http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/scottish_ff_faq.htm

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There have been a number of recent posts presuming to know how well trout see.  My guess is that they are all WRONG!  Who can tell us about *experiments* that increase the liklihood of any of these assertions to be true. There are optical effects produced by a small flies that may attract trout even if they cannot see the fly clearly.  Certainly, even small dry flies dimple the surface of water causing light to refract in strange ways and cast fairly large shadows.  Glints off of peacock and various reflective materials may also attract attention.  A selective fish does not have to see the fly clearly.  It can wait until it gets close before making an eat or flee response. I make no assertions about how trout see or process information. William Buchman

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Well put – no one really knows (and hence the vendors can sell us anything…). However, I DO know that a golf ball has eyes and a brain.  Having tried to play golf I do know that balls that I find in the woods while looking for my ball soon will return there.  It would seem that these "wild" balls differ in their genetic makeup from the store-bought put-n-putt cousins… but I digress….. — Tim Wohlford, DO NOT SEND JUNK E-MAIL: "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets the definition of a telephone fax machine.  By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.  By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There have been a number of recent posts presuming to know how well trout see.  My guess is that they are all WRONG!  Who can tell us about *experiments* that increase the liklihood of any of these assertions to be true. There are optical effects produced by a small flies that may attract trout even if they cannot see the fly clearly.  Certainly, even small dry flies dimple the surface of water causing light to refract in strange ways and cast fairly large shadows.  Glints off of peacock and various reflective materials may also attract attention.  A selective fish does not have to see the fly clearly.  It can wait until it gets close before making an eat or flee response. I make no assertions about how trout see or process information. William Buchman

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I’ve read about a trouts field of view and its ability to sense vibration/disturbance through its lateral line. Does anyone know how well a trout can distinguish one object from another? Where I fish there are a lot of boulders and laurel. If I’m wearing subdued clothing and not splashing around, can a trout pick me out from the surrounding terrain?

Though clothing is definetely a big consideration, I wouldn’t worry too much. You see, apparently even today’s most advanced trout can’t see well enough to detect the bend, point and barb of a hook. It’s amazing how these cunning, fabled creatures we pursue -which can supposedly detect the most microscopic details in color and size of the insects they are feeding on- somehow, time and time again, fail to notice the large, metallic-brown, bent, nasty-looking organ that is protruding from the crotch of every artificial fly that has ever been created. Fly fishing or lock-picking… Spinolio

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: I’ve read about a trouts field of view and its ability to sense : vibration/disturbance through its lateral line. Does anyone know how : well a trout can distinguish one object from another? Where I fish there : are a lot of boulders and laurel. If I’m wearing subdued clothing and : not splashing around, can a trout pick me out from the surrounding : terrain? : : Thanks in advance. Yes, no and maybe All the following occurred in bright sunny conditions about mid-day: Anecodote 1: at least 40 feet downstream of a fish tailing in 12" water … waved a fly away from my face, bow wave … one annoyed fish. Anecdote 2: next to, standing, a fish picking tasty morsels off a submerged log for 5 minutes.  Approached from downstream *verrrry* slowly with the sun behind and casting shadows away from the fish, probably could have tailed it if I’d been that way inclined, moved my rod arm something caught his eye … gone. Anecdote 3: fish hard against a bank in a riffly run, I’m within a rod length, a birds shadow made it change position then return after a minute or so.  Watching it feed, yup taking nymphs, scratched my nose … Gone. All three have a common thread, sudden or unexpected movement.   I am of the belief that if I can see a fish, the actual fish spots ‘n all, not shadows or riseforms, then they can definately see me. The problem then becomes one of threatening behaviour ie moving Steve Still in Melbourne, Australia.

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I’ve read about a trouts field of view and its ability to sense vibration/disturbance through its lateral line. Does anyone know how well a trout can distinguish one object from another? Where I fish there are a lot of boulders and laurel. If I’m wearing subdued clothing and not splashing around, can a trout pick me out from the surrounding terrain? Thanks in advance.

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 Does anyone know how well a trout can distinguish one object from another?

G & A, I know that I’ve seen trout streak 8-10 feet, from deep down, to take a small dry fly in moving water.  I’ve also seen one rise to a cigarette butt.  And I’ve scattered them from just far enough away for a good cast.  Suffice to say, that a trout’s vision in water is analogous to your vision in air–they’ve adapted to survive and flourish, as have we (assuming I’m a human and not a fish).  I can’t tell you if trout have 20/20 vision, what we think they see is just the best guess, only the trout know for sure.  I don’t pay much attention to what I wear under my vest, but I am careful about moving slowly and casting shadows. Anglerboy

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     Trout have excellent vision, especially character recognition.  I’ve found that they usually read the fishing regulations before the season opens, and on opening day take an extended vacation to parts unknown. el coyotero was here

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Does anyone know how well a trout can distinguish one object from another? G & A, I know that I’ve seen trout streak 8-10 feet, from deep down, to take a small dry fly in moving water.  I’ve also seen one rise to a cigarette butt.  And I’ve scattered them from just far enough away for a good cast.  Suffice to say, that a trout’s vision in water is analogous to your vision in air–they’ve adapted to survive and flourish, as have we (assuming I’m a human and not a fish).  I can’t tell you if trout have 20/20 vision, what we think they see is just the best guess, only the trout know for sure.  I don’t pay much attention to what I wear under my vest, but I am careful about moving slowly and casting shadows. Anglerboy

They can see better in smooth water vs. rippled water so you are more likely to spook trout in pools. Their eyes are placed on the sides of their heads so they have a wider angle of vision than we do. They can pick out a size #28 nymph without any problems. My best guess is that they see movement much better than we do. Their natural enemies (birds etc.) strike from above and food is also often found on the surface so they’re tuned into motion from above. Also they hear very well with a band of "ears" along their sides and can easily hear you stomping around on the banks long before they can see you in some cases. Good thing their brain is only the size of a pea. <G Don Burns

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The talc miner in charge of the operation was reported to have said: "Now this REALLY chaps my ass" As the river was sucked into the abyss. TimW

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Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

Paul, The fellow who made the original post, Sandy Pittendrigh, played a practical joke, sort of a "War of the Worlds" type deal.  Nothing happened to the Big Hole at all.  I fished it several times this season, and it was in fine shape! — Dave Kumlien Montana Troutfitters 1716 W. Main St. Bozeman, MT 59715 http://www.gomontana.com/Business/Trout/trout.html

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What about the demolition derby?!!! Sure would hate to lose that All-American event as well. Jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wiped out the town of Dillon as well….no Labor Day rodeo this year Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

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Wiped out the town of Dillon as well….no Labor Day rodeo this year – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

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Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that?

The leak was plugged by the thousands of refugee beavers fleeing Sandy’s Montana estate. — -Wayne Trzyna

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For a few minutes though it sure created a stir.  So much so for me I jumped in the truck and drop two hours to be sure if it was there or not. So, was it still there, and if it is, how much talc is in the water? Have the browns become "whitefish?" Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyoming

I just fished the Big Hole last weekend and found the sub-terranian section to be especially productive.  The best pattern was a blind cave shrimp imitation. Hell of a boat ride though. Don Kelly Butte  MT

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Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

Hi Paul, That story was a joke/hoax.  For a few minutes though it sure created a stir.  So much so for me I jumped in the truck and drop two hours to be sure if it was there or not. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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For a few minutes though it sure created a stir.  So much so for me I jumped in the truck and drop two hours to be sure if it was there or not.

So, was it still there, and if it is, how much talc is in the water? Have the browns become "whitefish?" Charlie Quinton Laramie, Wyoming

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Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the stream.  What is the update on that? -Paul

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: Did the Big Hole river have any major damage a few months back when the : talc miners blew into an underground cavern somewhere, thus diverting the : stream.  What is the update on that? A few weeks ago, it reappeared above ground, forming a new branch of DePuy’s Spring Creek. But I don’t know how the piranhas got in there. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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