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Hi All, I ways wondering what water proof cameras are out there now? I need it for fishing because I always seem to fall in? The ‘weather resistant’ cameras did not work for me. Thanks. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

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Hi All, I ways wondering what water proof cameras are out there now? I need it for fishing because I always seem to fall in? The ‘weather resistant’ cameras did not work for me. Thanks.

The Nikon Nikonos… assuming you’ve got the bucks.  It however is really designed for underwater photography and its lenses and accesories are desgined for that environment.. no long lenses etc. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

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Hi All, I ways wondering what water proof cameras are out there now? I need it for fishing because I always seem to fall in? The ‘weather resistant’ cameras did not work for me. Thanks.

Hi, Bill.  If you’re not planning on taking tons of underwater photos, stay away from the Nikonos line, as well as all other SLR’s.  Beautiful cameras, but a bit overkill for what it sounds like what you’re looking for.  If you do need an SLR, get one of those transparent housings that are held in place by screwing them onto the front of the lens… they look like transparent plastic bags.  Otherwise, go with a p&s.  You might look at Minolta’s zoom p&s that goes to 33 feet, Canon’s A-1 (non-zoom) to 16 feet, or even Pentax’s Espio 105WR (38-105mm).  This last one is Class 5 weather resistant, can have water dumped on it, and floats if dropped into water.  Just some thoughts. chris

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I ways wondering what water proof cameras are out there now?

Here is a comparison chart of all water-resistant cameras currently on the market, along with some non-water-resistant competitors:   http://creekin.net/cameras.htm Prices and weights included.

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Hi, Bill.  If you’re not planning on taking tons of underwater photos, stay away from the Nikonos line, as well as all other SLR’s.  Beautiful cameras, but a bit overkill for what it sounds like what you’re looking for.  If you do need an SLR, SNIP<

Just to avoid confusion, the Nikonoses which have been recommended (I’ve seen a recommendation for the III, a couple for the IV-A, and mine for a used V or IV-A) are not SLRs. They are viewfinder cameras that take interchangebable lenses (similar to rangefinder, but they don’t use a rangefinder for focusing). I’ve used Nikonos viewfinder cameras for maybe 10 years, and I get most of my use on dry land. My underwater use is snorkeling, and they would probably qualify as overkill even for that use, but they are, in my estimation, excellent cameras overall, even on land. And they are built like tanks. If the camera Bill chooses is going to get rough treatment on his trips, I would not shy away from a Nikonos as overkill. — Phil Stripling               | email to the replyto address is presumed http://www.cieux.com/        | civex.com is read daily.

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You might look into getting a Nikonos IVa with a 35mm lens. It’s made by Nikon and, with good seals, is waterproof, sandproof, and (unless you open the back to change film) sturdy. = = = – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I ways wondering what water proof cameras are out there now? I need it for fishing because I always seem to fall in? The ‘weather resistant’ cameras did not work for me. Thanks. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

Before you buy.

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Check out also the Sea & Sea Motomartine or Motormarine, which offers compatability with the Nikonos line at much less cost. Be aware that many of the lenses can be used ONLY underwater, so check that out carefully. In the P&S line Canon (I believe) makes one that is waterproof to a couple of meters. Much better than the weatherized kind for you I think. This is probably your best choice, as it is designed to work above water as well. Nikon made an underwater P&S about 10 years ago which was a great camera for the kind of situation you describe, but which has, sadly, been discontinued. Good luck, — Toby

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I ways wondering what water proof cameras are out there now? I need it for fishing because I always seem to fall in? The ‘weather resistant’ cameras did not work for me. Thanks. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

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Bill, The only true waterproof camera is the Nikonos by Nikon. They work above water as well as underwater.  They are, of course, expensive.  I have a Nikonos III w/28mm lens, strobe, etc. in floating equipment case that I need to sell.  This system has been used only three times.  If you know any divers, they probably know this camera well. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi everyone,    I just received in the mail the chance to order Lefty’s Little Library of Fly Fishing.  Has anyone seen these books?  Or read them?  I am very interested in hearing your opinion.  I think I am going to order them but still wanted some ROFF thoughts.  Thanks. J. Koop McMinnville, OR.   </PRE</HTML

I’ve got the whole library. I’ve read them all. Most are pretty good. Some are very good. Some are so-so. I think it’s worth the price. They are easy to buy one book at a time. Good Luck! Joel Axelrad

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Ditto                     Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got the whole library. I’ve read them all. Most are pretty good. Some are very good. Some are so-so. I think it’s worth the price. They are easy to buy one book at a time. Good Luck! Joel Axelrad

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I sent the bone fishing book back ’cause I figured if this old body gets down there it will be some one spreading my ashes on the water.  Got all the rest though and some pretty good words of wisdom.  I really love the tips and tricks book.                                     Frank Reid

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ditto                     Frank Reid I’ve got the whole library. I’ve read them all. Most are pretty good. Some are very good. Some are so-so. I think it’s worth the price. They are easy to buy one book at a time. Good Luck! Joel Axelrad

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I’m a stream and lake trout fisher.  I purchased and kept the first 10 or so books and then cancelled the subscription because I noticed the books were changing to fishing styles I don’t need. As for reading the books, I’m saving that for retirement.  I’ve got the collection on the book shelf of my retirement home that I hope to occupy full time in about 4 years. Bob

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Hi everyone,         I just received in the mail the chance to order Lefty’s Little Library of Fly Fishing.  Has anyone seen these books?  Or read them?  I am very interested in hearing your opinion.  I think I am going to order them but still wanted  some ROFF thoughts.  Thanks. J. Koop McMinnville, OR.  

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I have just started fly fishing two weeks ago.  I did my first fly fishing in New Jersey.  Got a rainbow the second day, which was a great experience.  My friend quickly reminded me I can not reel it in like angling.  I guess I got a little excited.  Does anyone know of good fly fishing spots in Vermont?  I know of one over in E. Montpelier on the Winooski river. Remember last year a spot where u can see the fish jumping every day. thanks.

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I have just started fly fishing two weeks ago.  I did my first fly fishing in New Jersey.  Got a rainbow the second day, which was a great experience. My friend quickly reminded me I can not reel it in like angling.  I guess I got a little excited.  Does anyone know of good fly fishing spots in Vermont?  I know of one over in E. Montpelier on the Winooski river. Remember last year a spot where u can see the fish jumping every day. thanks.

Mike, Where do you live? There are a lot of good places to go…the Winooski in Middlesex and Bolton is great.  I could give you other places to go if you like…let me know. All the best, James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service 1997 Guide of the Year Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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For those of us that spend too much time in the office and not nearly relief.  www.1photo.com/fish2much.htm

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For those of us that spend too much time in the office and not nearly relief.  www.1photo.com/fish2much.htm

Or one could just take their favorite photo to almost any Kinko’s and have a mouse pad made from it for about half the cost. John Fereira

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Hi there.. I’m looking in to getting back into fly fishing (I used to do it a bit with my father a long time ago..).  Essentially, I have forgotten all that I was taught.. and I was wondering if anybody had suggestions on how I could best get back into the sport.. or what would be the best strategy for learning about the state of the sport nowadays? Thank you for whatever help you can give me.

     Assuming you live in Central Ontario, Bud Hoffman runs a good fly fishing school on the Beaver River, near Kimberley, Ont.  His number is/was 519 986-2351. Bud is a pretty level-headed guy, and easy to talk to and learn from.  The Izaak Walton Fly fishing Club can be reached at 905 855-5420.  It might help if you post what part of Ontario you fish. Good luck JIM WARD Twin Willow Farm "Home of good horses, fine whiskey and great wild trout"

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Hi I suggest you contact the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 and find out the location of an affiliate club near you. Then join and learn from a new friend. At this time of year many club sponsor fly fishing classes in preparation for the season so you timing is right on. If there is no club near you, ask the FFF about their educational booklet "Introduction to Fly Fishing" It cost $2.00 plus S&H and gives a lot of good info. Other FFF educational booklet that would help are on casting, entomology, and beginning fly tying. Al Hi there.. I’m looking in to getting back into fly fishing (I used to do it a bit with my father a long time ago..).  Essentially, I have forgotten all that I was taught.. and I was wondering if anybody had suggestions on how I could best get back into the sport.. or what would be the best strategy for learning about the state of the sport nowadays? Thank you for whatever help you can give me.

Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Hi there.. I’m looking in to getting back into fly fishing (I used to do it a bit with my father a long time ago..).  Essentially, I have forgotten all that I was taught.. and I was wondering if anybody had suggestions on how I could best get back into the sport.. or what would be the best strategy for learning about the state of the sport nowadays? Thank you for whatever help you can give me.

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Hi there.. I’m looking in to getting back into fly fishing (I used to do it a bit with my father a long time ago..).  Essentially, I have forgotten all that I was taught.. and I was wondering if anybody had suggestions on how I could best get back into the sport.. or what would be the best strategy for learning about the state of the sport nowadays? Thank you for whatever help you can give me.

Hi One of the best ways is to learn from a friend and I think you will find a few of those on this group and the fly tying group as well. Also you might consider joining a local club. I suggest you contact the Federation of Fly Fishers at 406-585-7592 and get the contact person in a local club. Then you can join and learn from a friend. If you have a specific question please post to this group or check my tips and tricks section at my web site. I think the address is in my signature. Good luck and welcome to the best legal drug available; flyfishing. Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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An option to try is if you have some strike putty, make a new fly right on the spot. Just put the putty on a small nymph and see what happens. Good luck, Don Pisinski

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An option to try is if you have some strike putty, make a new fly right on the spot. Just put the putty on a small nymph and see what happens.

Especially good if you have some "Dr. Juice Phish Pheromone Trout In Heat" flavored strike putty on hand. TimW (just typing that got me excited…)

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Kinda makes me think I’m going to way too much trouble tying flies.   I was reading something a few weeks ago about a study done underwater in which some percent of "nymphs" were expelled by the fish because they were sticks, rocks, etc. Why not use a small popper instead of a strike indicator? John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

Tony Route suggested tying up a small bomber pattern in the same colors as the strike indicator, and using that.  Bomber is a spun deer hair piece of work, nothing fancy.  I tied some up, but never used them yet.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big.  

Try using strike indicator putty.  Then if they start hitting your strike indicator, you can cover the nymph with the strike putty and away you go Carl carl

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Why not use a small popper instead of a strike indicator? Or a 12 bore shotgun.  Such idiotic fish need eliminating before they

stagnate the gene pool. Bruce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  <snip Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott (snip)

Hi, I have seen wild rainbows take some pretty large and gaudy strike indicators on spawning runs. It’s also quite common practice here to fish for browns with a dry fly as an indicator above a nymph. It’s sometimes an even bet as to which one gets taken by the fish. Ken Sims New Zealand

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? I’ve had tis happen also, and here are my guesses at what is happening. Everyone tells me that drag, and it could be micro drag that you can’t see, accounts for most refusals of dry flies. When you have a sunken nymph below a strike indicator, the line and nymph act like an anchor in the water column, making the strike indicator drift absolutely drag free. The fish go for it. You see that, and tie on a dry fly, with no anchoring nymph and line, so you get micro drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida

Or a parachute adams with a pink post.  Works great for me Regards, Dick Hubbard

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drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida Or a parachute adams with a pink post.  Works great for me Regards, Dick Hubbard

Or just thread a hook thru the strike indicator. Not "pure", but effective. Jerry — Jerry Brown Web: http://rampages.onramp.net/~jbrown "When the Huns are at the gate, they ain’t gonna knock…"

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I sometimes have success with a fly called the Serendipity.  It’s   midge pattern with a red or orange thorax.  I like to use Peacock herl for the body with fine silver or copper wire rib.  Drift it in the film or just under the surface. Your milage may vary. Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

Instead of strike indicators, I use those braided (Chinese finger vice) line connector devices.  Fishing flats recently on Florida’s Nature Coast, I had redfish hit the connector, It is chartreuse.  I can see it, so I guess fish can too.  It must look like a worm of some type to fish. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones

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I am not one to use strike indicators, largely because it reminds me too much of fishing for catfish as a child. However, I may suggest that you use a floating line and a sinking leader (or leader to which you have applied some sinkant). A combination of sinkant on one and of the line and a clean, floatant-treated line on the other end has worked for me in situations where others might have used strike indicators. Of course, I am also prone to overuse of shims when building, so my solutions are not always the most sound… W.E.S. Harman Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, Virginia "L’ecrivain original n’est pas celui qui n’imite personne, mais celui que personne ne peut imiter." (The original writer is not he who refrains from imitating others, but he who can be imitated by none.) – Francois-Rene De Chateaubriand,   "Genie du Christianisme" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott Instead of strike indicators, I use those braided (Chinese finger vice) line connector devices.  Fishing flats recently on Florida’s Nature Coast, I had redfish hit the connector, It is chartreuse.  I can see it, so I guess fish can too.  It must look like a worm of some type to fish. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big.   Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying?   Tight lines, Mark Cahill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation SNIPPED TO FIT: Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

I could jump into this discussion but think I best not as my views are miles apart  here.  However, I agree with ‘the hint,’ zeno. George Gehrke Mr. Gink

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

I’ve had tis happen also, and here are my guesses at what is happening. Everyone tells me that drag, and it could be micro drag that you can’t see, accounts for most refusals of dry flies. When you have a sunken nymph below a strike indicator, the line and nymph act like an anchor in the water column, making the strike indicator drift absolutely drag free. The fish go for it. You see that, and tie on a dry fly, with no anchoring nymph and line, so you get micro drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida

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Completely understand.  The notorious Indicator Hatch.   The recommended approach is to go home and tie up some strike indicator imitations and fish them on a dead drift.

I did this, and I’ll be goddamned if it didn’t work! After having a few "selective trout" break out of their feeding patterns to chase my styrofoam orange strike indicator, I went home to the vice, clamped in a number ten hook and wrapped an adhesive backed strike indicator around it. I probably could of stopped right there but, purist that I am, I wrapped a grizzly hackle around the head and tied it off. Vince Marinaro was probably convulsing in his grave as I trotted back to my (then) home water, leering like the Grinch on his sleighride to Whoville. Needless to say, it worked. Not on every fish (thank god) but it worked. It’s all in the orange. Next time you’re tying an Adams, substitute an orange floss body for the usual muskrat. You didn’t hear it from me. Spinolio

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  <snip Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

In North Georgia most streams are stocked and trophy streams are fed. Although I have had the same experience on streams with natural production which are not fed and the 6" to 10" fish likely are generations away from any fish that was. One particular stream was exclusively browns. I attribute it to the fact that trout are opportunists, curious about there surroundings and lacking hands, they put it in their mouth to find out what it is. Could be a meal and they may be few and far between. When I first began fishing I took a few fish for consumption. One such fish upon examining the stomach contents was full of some type of hard green seeds that had been floating downstream. Not only did the fish not find it offnesive, it continued to gulp the seeds which were also further along in the intestine in much the same condition as those in the stomach. I suppose the fish ‘felt’ full whether it was nutritious or not. The past weekend I was fishing worm imitation, floating it along the bottom in a clear tail out and watched a fish ‘take’ it, or so I thought. I missed, but as the the leaves are falling here, the fish grabbed a leaf and held it in its mouth a little longer than you would expect before realizing what it had. Almost as much fun to observe as to catch! regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

Put a hook on it!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

I have had it happen with a yellow strike indicator during hopper season.  Switch to a hopper usually works then. YMMV. Dan — Daniel J. Gaspar                        Department of Chemistry (773) 702-7209                          University of Chicago

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

   I don’t know the entomology of this, but it is common experience. I always carry an orange humpy or two for this situation. They even make pretty good strike indicators. Joel A. Tobias 2941 Doctors Park Dr. Medford, OR 97504

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil

I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

In line with Tim’s comment I often use an orange Bug (deer hair clipped sinker shaped with a hackle wound through) as an indicator, and it has landed fish. Paul

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

Completely understand.  The notorious Indicator Hatch.   The recommended approach is to go home and tie up some strike indicator imitations and fish them on a dead drift. TimW

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

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Dawn, Gale Meadows Pond is the closest, then maybe Ball Mtn Dam and Townshend Dam.  Somerset Reservoir is not too too far as well.  I hope this helps Cheers, James Ehlers Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service LIC#2298 Underhill, VT

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I need to know some lakes or ponds near Stratton/Bondville, Vermont good for fishing.  Not interested in fly fishing.  Thanks.

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Will be in Colorado Springs area the 2nd week of May. Some of the literature on the subject seems to suggest that the run-off will be in full swing at that time, and that it will be much more severe than I had assumed it to be. Is this gonna be a "wash-out"?

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Will be in Colorado Springs area the 2nd week of May. Some of the literature on the subject seems to suggest that the run-off will be in full swing at that time, and that it will be much more severe than I had assumed it to be. Is this gonna be a "wash-out"?

If the runoff is high…GO FISHING ! 1) Put some rocks in your pockets (to keep from being swept away). 2) Put on a big ugly bug with eyeballs and rubber legs. 3) Keep the BB sized shot close at hand. Use a lot. 4) Fish the banks. 5) Rid yourself of the mental block that all flyfishing is done in    clear waters. 6) Enjoy the river in its swollen glory.   7) Avoid tailwaters as the crowds and attitudes eventually will ruin it for you. TW

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If the runoff is high…GO FISHING ! 1) Put some rocks in your pockets (to keep from being swept away). 2) Put on a big ugly bug with eyeballs and rubber legs. 3) Keep the BB sized shot close at hand. Use a lot. 4) Fish the banks. 5) Rid yourself of the mental block that all flyfishing is done in   clear waters. 6) Enjoy the river in its swollen glory.   7) Avoid tailwaters as the crowds and attitudes eventually will ruin it for you. TW

Excellant advise T-bone!!  I like someone who can find a reason to fish no matter what.  As my grandfather used to say: "… which would you rather do… or go fishing?" Jack Wheeler

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o  What are the major rivers/other opportunities

You’ll be nearest the upper Colorado River in the Kremmling/Hot Springs area. o  How far are they from Winter Park

Roughly 30 or 45 minutes. o  What are the likely conditions

Runoff varies from year to year.  If the rest of the Winter’s mild, late June should be OK.  Check river conditions at: http://www.infosphere.com/rof/yp/RFAnglers/rfa.htm That’s Glenwood Springs, but it should give you some idea (there are other river flow sources on the Web). o  Who’s the leading outfitter/guide service

Sorry, I’m not familiar with outfitters in that area. o  What’s worth traveling to for an overnight

Again, check out the website above… M

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        I am interested in starting up my own guide service to those people in Japan who enjoy fly fishing.  I have been fly fishing for several years all over Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana.  I also speak Japanese fluently.  I am just looking to see if there is an interest among the Japanese in fly fishing.  I am close to graduation and the idea of being stuck in an office is horrifying.  If I can combine my language skills with something I love to do- fly fishing- I would be very happy.         If anyone can give me some advice on the best way to do some advertising I would greatly appreciate it.  If you are Japanese and can give me some feedback please e-mail me. (Eigo ka Nihongo…dochidemo ii desu)         Thanks for your help.

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I work for Japanese company and next to golf the Japaneses are getting into fly fishing in big way.  You idea sounds interesting and I have the same sentiments, however I have been working in Japan and Seattle for away.  Let me know your plans in more detail. Wayne

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Hi Guys.  I’m slowly getting into fly fishing and wondering about waders.  I only know about Orvis products and the other stuff from Wal-Mart. What other brands are there and not wanting to pay just for the name, what’s the best value for the money.  As you know, the most expensive is not necessarily the best value.

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I like my Hodgman breathable waders.  I’ve fished hard in them for three years now with no problems at all.  I bought mine for less than $160, but the new model is around $215 at Dan Bailey’s. Maybe you can find them cheaper elsewhere.  Dan Baileys sells their own relatively inexpensive breathables for $130. http://www.dan-bailey.com/ Cabelas makes breathables ("Barebones") for $99.00.  Cabelas usually sells good products and stands behind them, but I can’t vouch personally for these waders. http://www.cabelas.com/texis/scripts/store/+/CatalogDisplay/displayPO… Orvis makes an inexpensive line of breathables (Clearwater) for $130.  I haven’t worn them, but that a friend of mine swears they’re great. Unless you’re going to do a lot of fishing in very, very cold water, go for breathable waders rather than neoprene.  You can always wear fleece underwear under the waders. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above

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As you know, the most expensive is not necessarily the best value.

Blasphemy! Hodgeman, Dan Bailey’s, Bare, Ronny, all make good breathable waders for a decent price. LL Bean, Simms, Patagonia make damn good breathable waders for a bigger price but tis the end of season and the 2001s are coming,  check out www.rei-outlet.com and see if they still have last years Patagonia breathables on closeout. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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Thanks for the advice guys.  Should I stay away from the Wal-Mart stuff? From your replies it looks like the breathable are what I should get, other wise we sweat too much or what? Sparky

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Should I stay away from the Wal-Mart stuff?

Depends on what they sell. From your replies it looks like the breathable are what I should get, other wise we sweat too much or what?

I’m not sure if you actually sweat less in breathables than regular lightweight waders, but it’s more like wearing pants instead of plastic wrap.  You don’t get so clammy.  Because, you know, they "breathe".  You will sweat more in neoprenes, yes. Regards, Jeff

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My Hodgemaan Lakestream 4mm neoprene bootfoot waders lasted me about 4 years before I decided to give up on them.  However, early on, they developed a leak near the crotch seam which I attempted to seal using the repair adhesive that was supplied with the waders.  The Hodgeman adhesive never took hold and it dried into a hard stiff crust.  After a couple of uses, the Aquaseal that I had coated on top of it would be worn out from the crusty Hodgman adhesive rubbing up against from below.  I put even more Aquaseal on top of it but it turns out that a very thick layer of Aquaseal is not as flexible as the thin layer and it will eventually crack with repeated flexion.  So I gave up on them.  However, the later leaks that did occur, whether due to punctures or worn seams, I was able to repair (permanently) with a thin coat of Aquaseal w/o difficulty.  The Thinsulate layered boots were very warm and I usually only required a single sock even in freezing temperatures – the tradeoff was that the boots did not fit tightly so there was even less ankle support than what little you’d expect from bootfoot waders in the first place. The layer of air between my foot and the boot kept my toes warm.  The seams on the Hodgman Lakestream are glued and stitched but are not taped.  The connection between the boot and the neoprene held up very well and I never had a problem on either foot.  These cost between $99 and $119 typically.   Although I own a pair of Orvis (stockingfoot) breathables, which IMO have an extremely fair and honest warranty policy, I might buy another pair of Hodgeman neoprene bootfoots for: Saltwater 1) metal components on my standard wading boots face corrosion 2) even with gravel guards and a flats bootie, the pounding surf will force sand into the footwear. Float Tubing 1) your butt will get damp in breathable waders Extreme situations 1) if you are going to be in the water most of the time; your breathable waders won’t breath when submerged (though I suppose the vapor could escape out the top of your waders) 2) except perhaps for the Kevlar-coated breathable waders worn over thick plush polyester underwear, neoprene offers greater physical protection against prickly plants and jagged rocks. 3) on the coldest days, I still prefer neoprene bootfoot waders. The above is based on my preferences.  YMMV. Mu

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Hi Guys.  I’m slowly getting into fly fishing and wondering about waders.  I only know about Orvis products and the other stuff from Wal-Mart. What other brands are there and not wanting to pay just for the name, what’s the best value for the money.  As you know, the most expensive is not necessarily the best value. diawa waders are great

Before you buy.

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Hi, I am from New Brunswick Canada. I am a beginner in fly fishing. I just subcribed to this group. I would like to know if anyone could advise me on waders purchasing. I am looking for chest waders and I visited a few fishing equ. supply stores. I would like to know if  particular brands are more durable than others and any information to know before bying.   Tanks in advance for any advice. Pete.

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Pete;         It depends of what seasons and type of water you will be fishing. I fish in all weather and times of year, mostly from a float tube, and so like 5mil waders; the extra warmth is worth a little discomfort during the warmer weather. I have found the waders sold by Cabelas to be a good value. Ken…

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Hi, I am from New Brunswick Canada. I am a beginner in fly fishing. I just subcribed to this group. I would like to know if anyone could advise me on waders purchasing. I am looking for chest waders and I visited a few fishing equ. supply stores. I would like to know if  particular brands are more durable than others and any information to know before

Two basic choices: — boot-foot or stocking-foot (with separate shoes); — material:  expanded foam, traditional rubber on canvas, or all latex. These days stocking-foots of expanded foam predominate among serious fly fishers.  But many Canadian stores stock nothing but rubber boot-foot waders (always heavy and sometimes too hot for summer use.) The most practical outfit is also the cheapest — all-latex stocking-foots with boots of your choice.  (I wear Seal-Dri latex with Converse boots, felt-soled with hard rubber toecap on fabric uppers.) So long as you buy boots large enough to wear 3 pairs of socks as well, this outfit does for both summer and winter fishing (with or without long johns etc.) But foam may be driving latex off the market. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Hi, I am from New Brunswick Canada. I am a beginner in fly fishing. I just subcribed to this group. I would like to know if anyone could advise me on waders purchasing. I am looking for chest waders and I visited a few fishing equ. supply stores. I would like to know if  particular brands are more durable than others and any information to know before bying.   Tanks in advance for any advice. Pete.

Wardell and Bare are Canadian brands that are also sold in the US. They are both good companies with fine products. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip senseless twittering By the by, Charles, would this also be the same reason that you feel you must also top post?  If so, would I be stepping beyond the proper by asking that you dispatch the vile creature with a rather swiftly-deployed blow to the solar plexus…or a quick kick to the nards… Hoping with all earnestness that this truly helps, Hughsford Gentlingham Rectionsfield Who is this dude? Head marm of the Usenet?

Yes. — HTH, Tim

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HTH,

It did. Thanks. Russell And I was thinkin he was a kook.

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HTH, It did. Thanks. Russell And I was thinkin he was a kook.

Well, the resemblance IS uncanny. Wolfgang

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Maybe he is jealous as he has not a pair of waders to his name???????

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HTH, It did. Thanks. Russell And I was thinkin he was a kook. Well, the resemblance IS uncanny. Wolfgang

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip senseless twittering By the by, Charles, would this also be the same reason that you feel you must also top post?  If so, would I be stepping beyond the proper by asking that you dispatch the vile creature with a rather swiftly-deployed blow to the solar plexus…or a quick kick to the nards… Hoping with all earnestness that this truly helps, Hughsford Gentlingham Rectionsfield Who is this dude? Head marm of the Usenet? Yes.

!! Does Tony G. know about this?? /daytripper (anyone see some stray catz comin’ by this dump?

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<snip senseless twittering By the by, Charles, would this also be the same reason that you feel you must also top post?  If so, would I be stepping beyond the proper by asking that you dispatch the vile creature with a rather swiftly-deployed blow to the solar plexus…or a quick kick to the nards… Hoping with all earnestness that this truly helps, Hughsford Gentlingham Rectionsfield

Who is this dude? Head marm of the Usenet? Russell

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Why must you say?  Is there some huge demented freak standing there with a large-caliber weapon trained upon your person?  If so, you do so truly have my deepest sympathy and condolences.  By the by, Charles, would this also be the same reason that you feel you must also top post?  If so, would I be stepping beyond the proper by asking that you dispatch the vile creature with a rather swiftly-deployed blow to the solar plexus…or a quick kick to the nards… Hoping with all earnestness that this truly helps, Hughsford Gentlingham Rectionsfield – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I had a pair and they leaked like crazy, took them back and went out and spent the big bucks on a pair of orvis stocking foot waders….quite expensive i must say,,,,,,,but they are awesome. Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?  First of all, do people like them?  Second, I am wondering if I should get xl or xxl (by mail).  I’m tall and thin, so if xxl is the same height as xl, just wider, I guess xl is my best bet.

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I had a pair and they leaked like crazy, took them back and went out and spent the big bucks on a pair of orvis stocking foot waders….quite expensive i must say,,,,,,,but they are awesome.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?  First of all, do people like them?  Second, I am wondering if I should get xl or xxl (by mail).  I’m tall and thin, so if xxl is the same height as xl, just wider, I guess xl is my best bet.

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Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?  First of all, do people like them?  Second, I am wondering if I should get xl or xxl (by mail).  I’m tall and thin, so if xxl is the same height as xl, just wider, I guess xl is my best bet.

I am not sure, if these are the waders you are lokking for, but it might help you. http://www.outdoorreview.com/pscFlyfishing,Equipment/Flyfishing,Appar… ers/PLS_1395_72crx.aspx If this link does not work, have a look at www.outdoorreview.com and search in the categorie flyfishing. Good luck Wim

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Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?  First of all, do people like them?  Second, I am wondering if I should get xl or xxl (by mail).  I’m tall and thin, so if xxl is the same height as xl, just wider, I guess xl is my best bet.

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Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?

No.  No one in this group has ever heard of them. Wolfgang

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I just bought a pair and will try them out this Sunday. Iv talked to two people in our club who have them and are happy with them. — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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If anyone could please help with information on purchasing waders, I would greatly appreciate it. I am on a modest budget. Also, I don’t know what is meant by stocking foot, etc., so please educate this knowless fisher. Thanks, Matt

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<<If anyone could please help with information on purchasing waders, I would greatly appreciate it. I bought cabellas for both my neoprenes (stockingfoot, meaning I had to also buy boots<with felt soles for better traction) and my rubber coated canvas boot soled (so I didnt have to buy boots) waders. Cabellas quality is quite high and I have been very happy. A friend on the neversink river in the catskills, likes redball. I plan to buy red ball hip boots next spring.After all you can never have too many different ways to get into the stream. In Montana I just wore jeans, but it is nice to stay dry. Sean Skilling

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