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   It’s been a 20 year family tradition among my in-laws to go camping in the Cedar Grove area of Kings Canyon National Park at least once a year. This past Memorial Day weekend I headed up there on Thursday to secure a campsite while the rest of the family joined me on Friday evening.

Thanks Mu, nice report. I live less than a couple hours from this area, but have never fished it. I will now. Thanks again brians PS many miles downstream of the Upper Kings, so much water is diverted for irrigation, that it almost dries up to nothing.

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I live less than a couple hours from this area, but have never fished it. I will now.

The few fly anglers I met did say they caught fish too.  In 20 years of camping there my father-in-law told me he never saw anybody catching any fish.  A competent spin or bait angler should do very well but most people seem content to soak their bait at the bottom and wait for the fish to never come. Mu

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 Nice description, Mu.  I tend to think of CA as a place  where all of the free-flowing water of any significance  is long-gone, so I am always surprised by a report like  yours.

well once this water reaches the low lands, it is dammed for agriculture nad drinking water.

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nice report……nice to hear there is still an abundance of water…somewhere out there….   richard colorado . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    It’s been a 20 year family tradition among my in-laws to go camping in the Cedar Grove area of Kings Canyon National Park at least once a year. This past Memorial Day weekend I headed up there on Thursday to secure a campsite while the rest of the family joined me on Friday evening.    I did manage to fit in a whole day of fishing on Friday along with a few more hours on Sunday afternoon.  A foot of snow had been on the ground

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I loved the report… been thinking about heading up that way…

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Great report – thank you. Now I have to go again and take the main squeez. When I use to fish various forks of the Kings sometimes it would be a day before my hearing would come back. When the river use to run high we found fish in the smallest creeks and rivelets, they seemed to small to have fish but they did. . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  snipped most enjoyable report

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   It’s been a 20 year family tradition among my in-laws to go camping in the Cedar Grove area of Kings Canyon National Park at least once a year. This past Memorial Day weekend I headed up there on Thursday to secure a campsite while the rest of the family joined me on Friday evening.    I did manage to fit in a whole day of fishing on Friday along with a few more hours on Sunday afternoon.  A foot of snow had been on the ground in some portions of the park just a few days earlier, but it had melted by the time I arrived.    The temperature was unusually warm during the holiday weekend and the water levels were rising each day.  It is not unusual for blizzards to occur even in May in this particular national park, which John Muir had claimed matched Yosemite in grandeur and beauty.    The South Fork of the Kings River races through the Cedar Grove area year round.  I’ve been here in early September and even then this river is barely wadable.  Much of the river was a raging whitewater froth during my trip last month.  Even the tributaries looked angry enough to drown a whale.    The pools that are visible during low water periods were completely hidden under the plunging rapids.  I’d hate to even think about what this river would look like in May after a wet winter.    On Friday I drove to the Road’s End, a popular take-off point for backpackers and day hikers, located at the terminus of highway 180. Hiking in about 2 miles along the north side of the river took me to a bridge which crosses the South Fork where it is joined by Bubbs Creek.    I walked back towards Road’s End along the south side of the river until I came upon an area where the river split into several smaller side channels which were on the north side.  At this point I foolishly attempted to cross back over to the north side.  The water which looked about knee deep was actually waist deep.  Once I was past the knees however it was too late.  The river lifted me off my feet and I was headed towards the ocean.  With great difficulty I did manage to tiptoe to the other side about 30 yards downstream from where I had started. Fortunately, there were no deep pools in this area.  (Those new Chota STL studded wading boots are great!)    I fished the side channels and picked up a few dinky rainbows on a cinnamon caddis.  I did spot stonefly husks on some of the rocks but in general this river does not appear to be too fertile.  The insect activity seems to be predominantly of the caddis sort.  Sometimes, skittering my fly would trigger a strike.    Eventually I met up with the main river again.  Much of the fishing for these small and wild rainbows was quite easy.  Trying to find a place to fish where one could avoid drowning was not so easy.    Basically I’d scramble through the brush for about 20 minutes until I found a large boulder.  Several fish would be congregated there.  A poorly drifted nymph would almost definitely result in a hookup.  Sometimes, even a second fish could be lured out of a particular pocket of water.  But that was it.  Typically, after the first fish was caught, the rest of them would go hide under a rock.    The colors of these fish were brilliant and their eagerness was well appreciated by this angler.  I didn’t mind that they were small; I mean I could catch fish like these even locally here in southern Califronia. But the scenery in Kings Canyon really is spectacular.  After wearing out my welcome at one boulder, it was a 20 minute hike until I found another likely looking spot.  And that’s how the day went on for several more enjoyable hours.    Sunday afternoon I was walking around the area known as Zumwalt Meadow which is also near the vicinity of Road’s End.   I found an extremely large deadfall and for several yards, the water behind it almost appeared to be like a regular river instead of the South Fork.  It looked interesting so I decided to see what would happen to a #14 Parachute Adams.  In spite of the large downed tree, the water was still moving rather swiftly though this area and frequent mending was necessary.    What a surprise when I pulled out a feisty little jumping brown trout. I caught several more browns in that little run.  Unlike the rainbows in the pocket water, these fish did not spook after one of their brethren was hooked and flailing wildly in their vicinity.  Since National Parks are not stocked with fish, these must be the descendants of some browns that were introduced many decades ago.    All in all an enjoyable trip.  Good mix of fishing days and hiking days and lots of wood-fired steaks. Mu

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  Hi! Our Adventure reel is well liked by most people and I doubt if we will ever change the color.  It matches well with our rods.  If you want a black reel, we offer the syncrotech reel that is all black.

Gary Loomis is gone.  The company is Japanese owned and operated now. Personally, I favor Lamiglas Fly Rods and have for over 30 years.  Of course Gary learned the business from Steve Posey before going on his own.  A little known fact of fly fishing history of Woodland Washington. George

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A few people with the Loomis Adventure fly reel have stated that they would like to see it in black.  I took the bull by the horns and asked Loomis about it directly.  With their permission, here is my question and their response: I have and Adventure reel and find it is the perfect reel for my 4wt Loomis.  Question is, when are you going to make the reel in black.  I like the matte finish of the rods and would like the reel to match. Frank Reid Hi! Our Adventure reel is well liked by most people and I doubt if we will ever change the color.  It matches well with our rods.  If you want a black reel, we offer the syncrotech reel that is all black. However, this reel is more expensive. Thanks for using G. Loomis products. Tight lines, Fran Hansen G. Loomis, Inc. 1359 Down River Drive Woodland, Washington 98674 1-800-GLoomis (456-6647) 1-360-225-6516 Not a very good answer, but an answer all the same. Cheers        Frank Reid

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Wow.  A customer service reply straight out of Dilbert (…you do TOO prefer it our way!).  With various manufacturers bending over backwards to provide lifetime warranties and otherwise satisfy the customer, I guess that Loomis’ attitude surprises me.  Based upon posts in the ROFF/Google archives, I looked at this reel when assembling my first outfit, but didn’t like the color.  I guess that’s not going to change.  Thanks for the info. Cheers, Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few people with the Loomis Adventure fly reel have stated that they would like to see it in black.  I took the bull by the horns and asked Loomis about it directly.  With their permission, here is my question and their response: Hi! Our Adventure reel is well liked by most people and I doubt if we will ever change the color.  It matches well with our rods.  If you want a black reel, we offer the syncrotech reel that is all black.

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Hi John, there is a great deal of help available on the net.  A couple of these sites should be of considerable help to you with basic stuff. Most of them have specific beginners sections.  If you have trouble with any of the terms etc, then just post to the group again, somebody will help you. Here are the URL

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____  I’ve received many E-mail inquiries as to my health and recent operations at the Mayo Clinic.  I’ve had three major operations this year and all in one year.  This last one again went over five hours on the operating table.  It seems the only way I can get a vacation is to go to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. I guess, with experience comes confidence.  Frankly, I had a wonderful time in the operating room.  I had my first spinal and my anesthesiologist, Dr. David Cook, (a fellow fly fisherman) also kept me a little sleepy.  Every once in a while he would allow me to awake and I’d jabber what a wonderful time I was having which filled the operating room with laughter.  "So are we George.  You’re doing great by the way," and off I’d go, drifting off into dream land.  Dr. David Cook took great care of me and he talked softly about many things.  The operating room had several fly fishermen in it.  All of them, great knot tiers! What was done was, under excellent epidural anesthesia, a complete rebuilding of the aortofemoral graft and the removal of 35 years of cholesterol in the profunda femoris arteries.  Everyone has two of these usually.  I have three, which is rare.  Gore-Tex tubing was used in the by-pass grafting which will last forever.  Those who have circulation problems into their legs should consider this option available to them. If any of this information is of help, I’m glad to post it.  My future looks bright and I will be pedaling my bike in the near future as I work into my exercise program. Without some degree of physical fitness, which I have through exercise, most of this wouldn’t have been possible.  I should also mention that the Mayo Clinic is often cheaper in price than the majority of hospitals in the country, which may be surprising to some. Thank you all for your prayers.  They went with me and meant a lot.  I’m going to be just fine. Sincerely, George Gehrke —

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Glad to hear you are doing well, George. Tim Lysyk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ____  I’ve received many E-mail inquiries as to my health and recent operations at the Mayo Clinic.  I’ve had three major operations this year and all in one year.  This last one again went over five hours on the operating table.  It seems the only way I can get a vacation is to go to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester.

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Hi George, You will be soon called the ‘bionic fly fisherman’ ? It is amazing what they can do for us old guys today. I had an angioplasty about 5 years ago myself. Exercise and a good diet is the best thing for everyone. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ____  I’ve received many E-mail inquiries as to my health and recent operations at the Mayo Clinic.  I’ve had three major operations this year and all in one year.  This last one again went over five hours on the operating table.  It seems the only way I can get a vacation is to go to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. I guess, with experience comes confidence.  Frankly, I had a wonderful time in the operating room.  I had my first spinal and my anesthesiologist, Dr. David Cook, (a fellow fly fisherman) also kept me a little sleepy.  Every once in a while he would allow me to awake and I’d jabber what a wonderful time I was having which filled the operating room with laughter.  "So are we George.  You’re doing great by the way," and off I’d go, drifting off into dream land.  Dr. David Cook took great care of me and he talked softly about many things.  The operating room had several fly fishermen in it.  All of them, great knot tiers! What was done was, under excellent epidural anesthesia, a complete rebuilding of the aortofemoral graft and the removal of 35 years of cholesterol in the profunda femoris arteries.  Everyone has two of these usually.  I have three, which is rare.  Gore-Tex tubing was used in the by-pass grafting which will last forever.  Those who have circulation problems into their legs should consider this option available to them. If any of this information is of help, I’m glad to post it.  My future looks bright and I will be pedaling my bike in the near future as I work into my exercise program. Without some degree of physical fitness, which I have through exercise, most of this wouldn’t have been possible.  I should also mention that the Mayo Clinic is often cheaper in price than the majority of hospitals in the country, which may be surprising to some. Thank you all for your prayers.  They went with me and meant a lot.  I’m going to be just fine. Sincerely, George Gehrke —

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Good to hear your up and about G. Maybe now you realize the truth of our current fly-fishing crisis. -Muskie

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Some might even prefer celibate Waynos ? TL MC — "Humour is a great comfort in adversity" http://www.mikeconnor.de

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You prefer celibate winters, I assume? — Charlie…

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they do exactly what you do.  hell, you’ve probably had more actual "experience" than many of the advisors posting here. wayno

I don’t know about that, Wayno.  If you ask my wife she’ll tell you most of my fly fishing experience so far is in spending WAY too much money on it:) Tim (I know the kids need to go to college honey…but can’t they work their way through??)

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I usually just use the tippet end of the tapered leader until I change (or lose) several flies and notice the leader getting too short.

The only thing with that is you’re probably into a thicker leader diameter by that time, which might or might not matter.  Plus, if you tie on a tippet from the start, then you know exactly how much you’ve used up (how close to your knot you’ve gotten) If it is a good idea to add tippet from the start, would it be best to use the same tippet size as the leader (i.e. 5X tippet added to a 5X tapered leader) or would it be better to taper it even more by one "X" size?

Either way.  One thing you can do is buy a leader that’s a bit shorter and heavier than you want.  If you want a 9′ 5X, get a 7.5′ 3X or 4X, then tie on 18" of 5X material.  Don’t take the numbers *too* seriously – it’s possible that the 5X tippet from one manufacturer is as thick as the 4X leader tip from another manufacturer, but it should be close enough. Regards, Jeff

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Geez, and I thought a tippet was one of those little tips that Jeff was giving.  Or maybe that was a snippet of a tippet? PatK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – but can’t figure out what a tippit is? Thanks Adam Adam, A tippet is just that.  A tip to be added to the leader for attaching flys.  You may have purchased an outfit with a tapered leader.  You will find that as you attach flys and replace them, the leader shortens rapidly.  A tippet is tied to the tip of a leader to give a sacrificial attaching point for flys as well as allows you to take the diameter down to the final presentation size for the particular situation. Tippet material is available in various sizes and a length is cut and attached to the leader.  The tippet may be a few inches to several feet long. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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Geez, and I thought a tippet was one of those little tips that Jeff was giving.  Or maybe that was a snippet of a tippet? PatK

Naw, couldn’t be Jeff.  I don’t think you find that in the glossary of terms in the back of "Fly Fishing for Dummies"! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Geez, and I thought a tippet was one of those little tips that Jeff was giving

    normally, that would be referred to as "a pantload". wayno

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who the hell would have the gall, or more especially the *time*, to argue with a human faq?

Almost as difficult as trying to document your nubile adventures, eh Wayno? –Steve

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Is it a good idea to attach a length of tippet to a brand new tapered leader before tying on the first fly?

Yes, it is. If you need a 9-foot 6x leader buy a 7.5 foot 4x tapered leader (or 3x, or whatever the leader snobs say), cut a little bit off (kind of nearly up to the taper) and tie on 6x tippet right away. Try to use the same brand of leader and tippet, and throw away your old tippet before you use it up.         This tippette brought to you by,         rw

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Geez, and I thought a tippet was one of those little tips that Jeff was giving    normally, that would be referred to as "a pantload". wayno

Hey, you could keep griping about it, or you could set me straight if I post a pantload – that way the lurking newbies and I might learn something. Regards, Jeff

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Adam, A tippet is just that.  A tip to be added to the leader for attaching flys.  You may have purchased an outfit with a tapered leader.  You will find that as you attach flys and replace them, the leader shortens rapidly.  A tippet is tied to the tip of a leader to give a sacrificial attaching point for flys as well as allows you to take the diameter down to the final presentation size for the particular situation. Tippet material is available in various sizes and a length is cut and attached to the leader.  The tippet may be a few inches to several feet long.

Is it a good idea to attach a length of tippet to a brand new tapered leader before tying on the first fly? I usually just use the tippet end of the tapered leader until I change (or lose) several flies and notice the leader getting too short. I’ve often wondered what most experienced fly fishermen do with a new leader (assuming they don’t tie their own and use store-bought tapered leaders). If it is a good idea to add tippet from the start, would it be best to use the same tippet size as the leader (i.e. 5X tippet added to a 5X tapered leader) or would it be better to taper it even more by one "X" size? Tim

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It is a good idea to add tippet from the start. You may use lighter tippet if your fly size will allow that. Very light tippet on larger flies or weighted nymphs etc is prone to breaking very quickly, so don

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Call the Blacktail Ranch near Wolf Creek Montana.

Or Dick Klick up at Augusta.  Don’t remember the name of the place, but it’s up against the Bob.  You’ll not find more beautiful country, the cutts in the Sun river are multitudinous and "unsophisticated," horse back and hot springs are at your disposal and the further you’re willing to go into the wilderness, the bigger and better the fish.  Plus you won’t have the hordes you’ll have down in the Madison/Paradise Vallies.

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Call the Blacktail Ranch near Wolf Creek Montana.  It is a working cattle ranch with excellent fishing in a small stream and in a series of beaver ponds with big trout.  You can choose a camping option that is very reasonable.  If you want to fish big water you can go to the Missouri and hire a guide to fish down from Hardy Bridge.  It is my favorite part of Montana. Ted Lannan

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Here’s a wide open question: I have the opportunity to go fishing with two old friends in July or August pretty much anywhere out West.  I have fly fished for quite a while but my two friends have never done it at all.  I have the idea that a lodge with guides etc which has some "easy" water nearby (a casting pond with trout) as well as some more challenging rivers nearby would be ideal. We’re in good shape and can hike a bit I have looked through Sports Afield’s Guide to Fishing Lodges, the Orvis catalog, done web searched etc and I am totally bewildered by the sheer number of lodges. I am interested in comments/recommendations on lodges – as well as any other ideas (e.g. float trips).  Our budget is not huge, but we can spend some money this one time. Thanks for the help, Patrick Keith-Hynes

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Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!

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One should be careful of posts like this, it MAY open you up to spam in your personal emailbox, and being added to a master email list for unsolicited ads that get sold these days. Post suggestions to the ng, thats what this is for right? JohnM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!

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Hey ,watch out for this guy , I read his post on the NG and the next day got the same crap through my e-mail program. How do you anti-spammerize your e-mail programs. I use 3 different programs to filter some of the crap out. But it still gets through. —– The RodMaker ICQ# 9754996 http://geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

Good question.

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

I AM NOT!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gordon wrote… I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :)

ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. — Gordon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon wrote… I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance…..

Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system.  BTW, Pooler is neither. cheers bob

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

All the U.S. participants are part of what some chose to call a "Two Party System"……

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. cheers bob

And, BTW, neither is the Nixon. I voted the Reform Party in the last National Election and am likely to do so again……. McDAve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon wrote… In article I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. And, BTW, neither is the Nixon. I voted the Reform Party in the last National Election and am likely to do so again…….

Well, I’m all for revolution, sorry – reform. — Gordon

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I am curious if Boeing Jets like those of 747s can do a landing or take-off using auto-pilot? How about military jets?  Are they able to do auto landing and take-offs? Thank you.

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    I am curious if Boeing Jets like those of 747s can do a landing or     take-off using auto-pilot? Landings, yes.  The aircraft and pilots have to be specially certified, though. The takeoff may be a capability of the aircraft, but I don’t know if it is commonly used.     How about military jets?  Are they able to do auto landing and     take-offs? Landings, yes.  I know of no automatic takeoff capability. — John Weiss Seattle, WA

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    I am curious if Boeing Jets like those of 747s can do a landing or     take-off using auto-pilot? Landings, yes.  The aircraft and pilots have to be specially certified,

though. I’ve been (as a passenger) on a couple of auto landings in 757s. Fog was so thick I only saw the runway inches from touchdown. Pilots are required to do a number of those every so often (don’t remember how many in how many months). If you don’t see a youth in the right front seat and the aircraft goes bumpy on approach (power, then brakes, then more power…) odds are they are doing a practice auto landing. Pilot has to take the plane between the two outer side beacons and more or less on the center beacon at something like 7 miles, and then engage the contraption. The takeoff may be a capability of the aircraft, but I don’t know if it is commonly used.     How about military jets?  Are they able to do auto landing and     take-offs? Landings, yes.  I know of no automatic takeoff capability.

Auto take-offs make no sense… you are on the runway. You see it’s lights at least up to VR speed, after that normal instruments flight. What’s the point? IIRC, first USN bird capable of auto traps was the F-4G back in ‘Nam time. Auto throttles came before. — Jos

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Hello,   Last year about his time I bought plans to build a canoe, because that then looked like a good idea. I haven’t goten down to building it yet, but, in the mean time, I moved to a rather dry part of the world – except for the sea. So, I am living at a ten minutes drive from the beach now and I am wondering if I should build that canoe, or rather get plans for a kayak? What I like about the canoe is that    -I have the plans already    -I like the design    -I can cast a fly properly from a canoe    -My family fits into it    -I can use the same boat alone or all of us Then again they say that kayaks are really fun to play with in the surf. I had sort of a wacky idea the other day and maybe somebody may wish to comment on it. If I build a real long kayak (say about 18ft) and I leave the central 6-7 ft of the deck open, I can make two (or more) covers for that portion, one with the central opening (for me) and one with 2 big openings and one smaller one (for when we are all going). Will this reduce the stiffness of the boat to the point of making it dangerouse? Anyway, that would resolve only the family issue; casting the fly will remain a problem … Thanks of any thoughts,   Pierre — Pierre Hubsch                 Dept of Bio-Medical Engineering Technion – Israel Institut of Technology          Haifa 32000 Israel                                      tel 792-4-8294124

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I had sort of a wacky idea the other day and maybe somebody may wish to comment on it. If I build a real long kayak (say about 18ft) and I leave the central 6-7 ft of the deck open, I can make two (or more) covers for that portion, one with the central opening (for me) and one with 2 big openings and one smaller one (for when we are all going). Will this reduce the stiffness of the boat to the point of making it dangerouse?

What you’re describing is essentially identical to an Aquaterra Jocassee (or an Old Town Loon II, which seems to be a knock-off of the Jocassee), except that Aquaterra never thought it through to the point of making alternate hard covers for the cockpit. Their customer rep seemed to think I was strange when I suggested it. There are some limitations to the concept: Even a 7-foot cockpit gets awfully small when you put 2 people in it. Any 3rd person in the cockpit has to be very small or very cozy with the rear(most!) paddler. There is, as you suggest, a problem with longitudinal stiffness. The Jocassee uses three long metal tubes for structural reinforcement. A hard cockpit cover would contribute some more rigidity if it were rigidly attached, though I’m not certain how this could be done without adding a lot of weight for the attachment fixtures. If you don’t devise a rigid cockpit top, there’s nothing to brace yourself in the boat with for control or rolling. I’m currently trying to figure out some kind of thigh straps or other supports to overcome this. If you don’t make a rigid top with a standard cockpit opening, you can’t get a spray skirt for the big cockpit. Aquaterra’s Jocassee spray skirt has serious functional limitations that even their rep admits. I’m still working on making it just stay on reliably. Used without a cover, that big a cockpit lets a lot of water splash and wash in, and holds a tremendous volume of water if capsized or swamped. It probably needs all of the extra floatation you can devise. With all of the above considerations, my son and I still enjoy the Jocassee, and devising workarounds for problems makes it a kind of do-it-yourself project. If you don’t like working with lots of compromises, though, you might be better off to build/acquire two boats – one for the family and a single for when you want to play alone. I was sold the Jocassee as a "sea kayak" when I knew even less about kayaking than I do now. It’s definitely not a sea kayak (although it’s getting closer as I work at it). Anyway, that would resolve only the family issue; casting the fly will remain a problem …

This I don’t see as a problem (although I don’t fly-fish – maybe I’m missing something). I can do anything in the Jocassee that I can do in a canoe. Enjoy whatever you do. Ira  Adams

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4.  Is there a difference between using the gym’s treadmill and running on    concrete?  Which would you recommend?  (I live in NYC, and do not wish    to train on the streets due to the traffic lights, crime, pollution,    and killer taxi cab drivers.)  Is treadmill running easier or harder    than ‘actual’ running?

Having just bought one of these beasts (Image 935), I’ve been looking into this question. According to a book I found, treadmill running requires about the same amount of energy as regular running. The major difference is that on the treadmill, you don’t have any air resistance, so treadmill running will require a little less energy, but not much. Running on a flat treadmill will be like running slightly downhill. Give it a 1-2% incline and it will be equivalent to regular running on the flat. An advantage of treadmill running (besides convenience and weather-issues) is that you can run "uphill" indefinitely without any downhill running. Also, the current state of your training is spelled out with inescapable scientific precision, especially if you use a pulse monitor. There’s an article on treadmills in last month’s Runner’s World. —

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Hi!  I am seriously thinking about ‘running’ as a work-out routine, with the NYC Marathon in ‘93 as my goal.  I would appreciate any pointers to a FAQ file (if there is any). Hit ‘n’ now to avoid my zzzzzzz questions ….. I’ve started reading Richard Benyo’s book, "Making The Marathon Your Event" (October 1992, Random House) and have a fair idea on how much commitment it would take to get to a marathon-level-of-fitness.  I was wondering if there are others who did this hard/easy/easy routine, and if there are any caveats or tips that can be shared with the newsgroup. Why a marathon?  Because it seems to demand a work-out schedule/intensity which will hopefully put me in a better shape for my current sport, skydiving.  I also find it helpful to have developmental ‘goals’ such as completing a marathon or learning a new movement in the air.  Currently, I’m about 10 pounds over ideal (distributed, as opposed to localized), and have a haphazard workout schedule/program composed of stair climbing, rowing, and light-and-slow Nautilus.  Hopefully, this *will* change by next week! Additional questions: 1.  Do any marathoners have a 3-times-a-week program for running (as opposed     to Benyo’s 5-times-a-week schedule? 2.  Any asthmatics out there who can offer me ‘tips’ on avoiding and/or     recognizing such problems while running? 3.  Anyone in netland have {+/-} comments about (a) Guarana; (b) Yohimbe     bark extract as energy boosters/supplements to running? 4.  Is there a difference between using the gym’s treadmill and running on     concrete?  Which would you recommend?  (I live in NYC, and do not wish     to train on the streets due to the traffic lights, crime, pollution,     and killer taxi cab drivers.)  Is treadmill running easier or harder     than ‘actual’ running? 5.  Should I just give up my initial goal of doing the NYC marathon in     six hours, and take up fly-fishing on the Husdon river instead ? Thanks in advance!  Hopefully, your answers will be posted to rec.running so ‘lurkers’ can benefit from your advice, too! Weird comment:  When you’re running on a treadmill in one of those gyms and a person starts out on the treadmill next to you, does it irritate you (as much as me) if that person just came from a smoking break, and decided to share his/her odor while doing a lo-ong and slo-ow treadmill walk?  What would you do, if this happens to you? Live long and prosper, Vannevar P.S.  Happy Holidays to All! — * #include<std_disclaimer.h    /* Life is short, and then you bounce. */ * * SnailMail: 50 West 34th St. # 19-B8, New York, NY  10001-3091           *

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