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I’ve taken some time off to work finish my thesis (obviously not working on it right now) and I took a few minutes to watch the steelhead at Grindstone Creek.  This stretch of water is a fish sanctuary and it provides a superb view for migrating steelies.

Being able to find an area like this where you can easilly observe the fish’s behavior is very interesting and valuable, at least to me. Like you reported, it teaches you things about the fish that you wouldn’t have discovered. Willi

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I’ve taken some time off to work finish my thesis

heard that one before, fishing or thesis? fishing or… thesis? fishing … or … fishing?  fishing?  Fishing! BTW, the local fly shop recently decided to sell off all their fishng videos for $3 a piece so I picked up the SciAng Jim Teeny Steelhead video. There is one pool shown in that video where 20 fish are milling about all pointed in various directions.  The surface is flat and Teeny is pitching a nymph at the end of a 5ft sink tip with a long leader. Mu

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I’ve taken some time off to work finish my thesis heard that one before, fishing or thesis? fishing or… thesis? fishing … or … fishing?  fishing?  Fishing! BTW, the local fly shop recently decided to sell off all their fishng videos for $3 a piece so I picked up the SciAng Jim Teeny Steelhead video. There is one pool shown in that video where 20 fish are milling about all pointed in various directions……

Weird, wasn’t it?  When I saw it, I wondered just how many rocks he’d tossed in at that point. JR

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve taken some time off to work finish my thesis heard that one before, fishing or thesis? fishing or… thesis? fishing … or … fishing?  fishing?  Fishing! BTW, the local fly shop recently decided to sell off all their fishng videos for $3 a piece so I picked up the SciAng Jim Teeny Steelhead video. There is one pool shown in that video where 20 fish are milling about all pointed in various directions…… Weird, wasn’t it?  When I saw it, I wondered just how many rocks he’d tossed in at that point.

I have that video. The rock tossing works, BTW. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I have that video. The rock tossing works, BTW.

You fish molester. But seriously, I think if I tried that rock trick on any of the streams that I used to fish in michigan, the fish would have headed about 100 yards downstream. Mu

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I’ve taken some time off to work finish my thesis (obviously not working on it right now)

  Me either What’s your field? interesting obs. snipped.

Thats the beauty of putting up the stick for awhile, and having an optic.  As a more general comment on trouty lies, some of the angles fish lie at in front of,  behind and under structure are quite surprising.   In some of the little streams we find fish sitting at right angles to the current fairly regularly, we even have some pet rocks that seem to attract this sort of behaviour. There is a horse, that sits in behind a log in tailout.  The log is probably 45 degrees to the current and immediatley below is a 2-3 foot waterfall. The bank is a mere 3 feet away and a good deal of the current is forced between the log and the bank.  Depending on the the flow, the fish will be found more or less hard up to the log – but never straight up and down stream.   With the angle he lies at and the height above downstream water he can see any movement on the banks both up and down stream, has a bit of a funnel feeding him food and a relatively good oxygen supply. The force is strong with that one … Steve

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I’ve taken some time off to work finish my thesis (obviously not working on it right now)  Me either What’s your field?

MA, Cultural Anthropology – specialty – development NGOs interesting obs. snipped. Thats the beauty of putting up the stick for awhile, and having an optic.  

I should do more of this – I just get to the water too horny to spend the time. There is a horse, that sits in behind a log in tailout.  The log is probably 45 degrees to the current and immediatley below is a 2-3 foot waterfall. The bank is a mere 3 feet away and a good deal of the current is forced between the log and the bank.  Depending on the the flow, the fish will be found more or less hard up to the log – but never straight up and down stream.  

That’s why she’s a horse, eh?  My son fished to one like that in PA. the fish had put herself in an almost perfect spot.  He got in a lucky cast, the fish took and then broke him off in a twinkle. With the angle he lies at and the height above downstream water he can see any movement on the banks both up and down stream, has a bit of a funnel feeding him food and a relatively good oxygen supply. The force is strong with that one … Steve

Those are the ones that keep us coming back. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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MA, Cultural Anthropology – specialty – development NGOs

Cripes – a mouthful, that will look impressive on your business cards. NGO – Non-Government Org? Hope the writeup goes as well as it can … I’m almost there with mine, another month or 6 (shudder). I should do more of this – I just get to the water too horny to spend the time.

  Had that happen the other day, left home 2.5 hours late – primary destination was a mess – warm water algae low flows – poor fish. Arrived at secondary at least 3 hours later than usual – fished the first hour like a complete maniac i.e. badly … trouble with trees, leader stopper failing, companion was (seemingly) in my pocket – bad.  After about the 10th spooked fish I realised what the hell was going on slowed down, and started to enjoy myself … it began with a little stalking of fish for my companion.  We still did that usually 6 hour fish/walk, in three and a half hours – time enoguh left for some new water to be explored but that first section was ‘orrible. That’s why she’s a horse, eh?  My son fished to one like that in PA. the fish had put herself in an almost perfect spot.  He got in a lucky cast, the fish took and then broke him off in a twinkle.

  My nymph came unhitched from the horse almost immediately … Those are the ones that keep us coming back.

Oh yeah. Though now summer has set in fully I expect the lie will change as the water is getting uncomfortably warm. Steve (back to my Contusion)

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Steve (back to my Contusion)

you neglected to add, "Which one." – now that I’ve admitted to my feeble attempt to added to academic trivia – it’s your turn. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Steve (back to my Contusion) you neglected to add, "Which one." – now that I’ve admitted to my feeble attempt to added to academic trivia – it’s your turn.

  If your academic research is half as good as your fishing research appears to be you’ll knock the socks off …anyway its the journey … the journey …that matters …  8^) Heading for PhD in Computer Science (or a complete NBD) – topic last I looked was Synthetic Images in particular mucking about with morphing. I know one thing … I took up flyfishing a year or two before starting the undergrad thing … it has definately kept me more or less sane over the intervening 9 years.  Fishing, thinking about it, recollections, and even the scribblings here from the more sentient beings that inhabit roff all help. Though I look forward to finishing, my mid-week forays into the forests of "Nophishe Valley" and "Watchemecrawlalong ck" will be severely curtailed by a return to full-time work … back to the evening rise and weekend fishing (which I haven’t done for probably 3-4 years!)  On the other hand I will have more shekels for trips and gear Steve

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Weird, wasn’t it?  When I saw it, I wondered just how many rocks he’d tossed in at that point. I have that video. The rock tossing works, BTW.

Yes it does.  Teeny gets a lot of flack from a lot of folks, but he’s a hell of a steelhead fisherman.  I rarely sight fish to steelhead in the rivers around here, but if I were unable to move a fish I could see and cast well to, I’d probably toss a rock or two myself. JR

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I’ve taken some time off to work finish my thesis (obviously not working on it right now) and I took a few minutes to watch the steelhead at Grindstone Creek.  This stretch of water is a fish sanctuary and it provides a superb view for migrating steelies. There is a small plunge pool downstream from a small rock face/chute of about 3′ high.  The water rushes through the chute into the pool, creating a white water plume about 20′ long and 5′ wide.  Unlike most days, the water was gin clear and afford an unobstructed view of the fish. Surprise No.1 – the holding fish were lying approximately 90 to 120 degrees off the current, under the plume.  Obviously, the plume creates eddies along the bottom and these fish had their heads pointed into the eddy current direction.  Most of the fish were angled slightly downstream.  One pair were snuggled up to the base of the rock wall, holding side-by-side, perpendicular to the rushing plume above their heads. Surprise No. 2 – well not really a surprise, just a confirmation – many of the fish were madly dashing about chasing each other at high speed.  Obviously not the slow metabolism, frozen fish syndrome we keep hearing about.  A fast presentation would have probably been effective on these fish. One other observation, some of the fish held just outside of the plume but none would venture very far from its cover.  Now this could be attributed to my presence but as I approached, I could see the fish clearly and the closest didn’t spook until I got very close.  I stood very still and within a minute or two, the fish ignored me and went back to their previous positions.  None of the fish were holding more than 3′ from the plume and even when they dash about, they rarely left its cover. These observations will certainly influence my next steelhead trip as I don’t think I’ll look at this type of water the same way again.  I had always been told that steelhead won’t hold in back eddies but these fish put the lie to that theory.  From now one, I’ll try to visualize the fish pointing in different directions depending on the current and not just the head-upstream we always assume. One effective nymphing presentation, anywhere eddies rotate from the rear of the plume to the front, would be to cast a nymph into the tailout and allow the nymph to be brought into the head of the plume by the eddie, plunge down the plume, then repeat.  I’ve caught carp here using this method when the regs permitted but never thought to use it for steelhead – that thing about steelies not holding pointing downstream.  Next time . . . No reason this wouldn’t be true for residents either. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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" so I my be incommunicado for a while anyway.

so what’s different? –waldo

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The cash register at your shop communicated just fine with me today, as did Tommy. Damn that fella can sell! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – " so I my be incommunicado for a while anyway. so what’s different? –waldo

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<SNIP Op  –but maybe I will be able to afford to sex– Unlike ISP

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Hey, I’m starting my first thread! What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk to each other? I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course I should be  ) What do you think? Beckie

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On 14 Jan 2001 13:13:20 GMT, becki…@my-deja.com wrote: >Hey, I’m starting my first thread! >What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk >to each other?

Depends on the nature of the job and whether there’s a supervisor hanging around.  It could range from every five minutes to once every couple of hours.  Sometimes when I’m working I need complete concentration and a conversation is the last thing I want. >I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve >hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been >totally silent.

Good.  The more you try to talk the easier it becomes as you develop your skills. Learning to converse is just like taking up a new hobby – fly fishing, tennis, judo etc.  You start off by learning the basics and eventually, hopefully, move onto the more advanced stuff.  Don’t approach it like learning to play the guitar, by trying it for a couple of weeks, deciding you’re useless and then giving up forever. A few months ago we had a new employee in our department who’s shy and it took her a couple of months to become comfortable enough to engage in conversation with others. >  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all >the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course >I should be  )

By all means, make an effort to talk more.  Work is a good place to start conversations because you can talk about work related topics and gradually shift the conversation onto more personal topics.  Conversations are obviously  much easier if you’re actually interested in talking about the subject.  I mean, if somebody starts going on about anime, my eyes glaze over instantly. Mike

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becki…@my-deja.com wrote in message <93s8lg$ff…@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>… >Hey, I’m starting my first thread! >What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk >to each other? >I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve >hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been >totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all >the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course >I should be  ) >What do you think?

A week and a half is not really a lot of time to get to know someone so you won’t know what he likes to talk about. I guess you could concentrate on asking questions (apart from work) like what he likes doing, his family, etc. Maybe think about what you want to talk about yourself and ask him first because chances are he might reply with "how about you?". Silence at work can reach extremes. (Sorry, this is a bit morbid but it made me laugh.) http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1113000/1113955.stm

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hi, I have a nice degree and I am 23. I started my first job and got fired after 2 days. I didn’t talk. YThey thought I was stupid. But I was the most clever man around. It is hard, but after some weeks you will talk more. Because you only need confidence. Javier – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -becki…@my-deja.com wrote: > Hey, I’m starting my first thread! > What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk > to each other? > I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve > hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been > totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all > the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course > I should be  ) > What do you think? > Beckie

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J.Dominguez <J.Doming…@chello.nl> wrote: > I have a nice degree and I am 23. I started my first job and got fired after 2 > days. I didn’t talk. YThey thought I was stupid. But I was the most clever man > around. It is hard, but after some weeks you will talk more. Because you only > need confidence.

… and something to talk about That’s my problem.  I just realised the other day I’m not really shy if I have something to say.  When I did philosophy I was one of the most talkative people in my tutorial group but outside the class I couldn’t think of anything to say. Thanks to everyone who replied for your advice Beckie

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>Hey, I’m starting my first thread! >What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk >to each other? >I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve >hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been >totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all >the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course >I should be  ) >What do you think? >Beckie

At work (and in my life in general) I will talk if spoken to first, but I have trouble starting a conversation with someone. If it’s work related, it’s a little easier, but when it comes to small talk, I’m clueless. -Rich

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Richard Kim <rkk…@aol.comatose> wrote: > At work (and in my life in general) I will talk > if spoken to first, but I have trouble starting a conversation with someone. If > it’s work related, it’s a little easier, but when it comes to small talk, I’m > clueless.

That’s me too, that’s why I was asking what I _should_ be doing Beckie

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Hey Becks, Nobody talks all the time. Nobody. (Okay, I do know a few people that talk ALL THE TIME, but I consider them to be psychotic.) I find that when you work an hour or two with somebody, you can keep up a low-intensity, chatty conversation for that long. When it gets to be all day, you skip in and out of little chats. Sometimes you jump into a full conversation for a while. Things eventually fall off, and then you go back to work. On the other hand, if you don’t like chatting with them, you don’t talk much.     Douglas <becki…@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:93s8lg$ffq$4@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, I’m starting my first thread! > What I want to know is, how much do non-shy people who work together talk > to each other? > I’ve been working with the same guy all day for a week and a half and I’ve > hardly been talking, which is usual for me and at least I haven’t been > totally silent.  I don’t see how people could keep conversation going all > the time but maybe I should be making more of an effort to talk (of course > I should be  ) > What do you think? > Beckie

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I have taken up fly fishing in the past year and have purchased a couple of Loomis rods. One is a GL3 #8 and one a GL4 #5. I am now considering a purchase of a used IMX 10#. The IMX was a dicontinued by the time I came along. Was this a high end rod for Loomis? What would it be compared to that is in production today? How will the action compare to my GL3 8#? I appreciate any input. Thanks. Larry

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At one time IMX were the high end of Loomis’ line. They were the precursor of the GL4. I believe the material is still the same, 3rd. generation graphite. I don’t think you’d go wrong by buying an IMX. Tom. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have taken up fly fishing in the past year and have purchased a couple of Loomis rods. One is a GL3 #8 and one a GL4 #5. I am now considering a purchase of a used IMX 10#. The IMX was a dicontinued by the time I came along. Was this a high end rod for Loomis? What would it be compared to that is in production today? How will the action compare to my GL3 8#? I appreciate any input. Thanks. Larry

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At one time IMX were the high end of Loomis’ line. They were the precursor of the GL4. I believe the material is still the same, 3rd. generation graphite. I don’t think you’d go wrong by buying an IMX.

I agree.  In fact, I think the IMX graphite was the best combination of strength and speed that Loomis had. Mark Faulkner

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Larry asked Was this a high end rod for Loomis? What would it be compared to that is in production today? How will the action compare to my GL3 8#? I appreciate any input.

Larry I don’t know what you plan to use the IMX 10 weight for, but I have one in a 8 1/2 foot model. It is a very specialized rod. I think it is stiffer than a GLX and I know that it is much stiffer than my GL3. I would say that it is more similar to a Sage RPLX than anything else I have ever used. It would be great for Northern Pike or casting around the coast in a severe wind. It is also perfect for casting hugh  bass flies at Lake Fork, but as you can guess it will test the durability of your casting arm. It realy wears me out quicker than any other rod I have ever owned. Big Dale

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Larry: I forgot something in my earlier post. The selection of fly lines is more limited in the 10 weight size than some others.The one I prefer is made by Cortland in an bright red called a Pike/Muskie taper.I hate the color, but love the way it casts and it excells for big flies. Big Dale

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Larry asked Was this a high end rod for Loomis? What would it be compared to that is in production today? How will the action compare to my GL3 8#? I appreciate any input. Larry I don’t know what you plan to use the IMX 10 weight for, but I have one in a 8 1/2 foot model. It is a very specialized rod. I think it is stiffer than a GLX and I know that it is much stiffer than my GL3. I would say that it is more similar to a Sage RPLX than anything else I have ever used. It would be great for Northern Pike or casting around the coast in a severe wind. It is also perfect for casting hugh  bass flies at Lake Fork, but as you can guess it will test the durability of your casting arm. It realy wears me out quicker than any other rod I have ever owned.

In the larger rod sizes at least, Loomis GLX is faster than IMX, and IMX is similar to GL4. GL3 is the slow rod of this bunch. I fished a 9.5′ 9W IMX over stripers for many years. Quite fast – you definitely have to make the rod flex to get the most out of it, but if you do, it’s a cannon. /daytripper

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If you have fished Lee Vining, then tell me about it. I plan on fishing it a couple days 1st week June. steve k — stev_ix_netcom_com

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If you have fished Lee Vining, then tell me about it. I plan on fishing it a couple days 1st week June. steve k — stev_ix_netcom_com

I haven’t fished it for a while but it used to be good. There is a nice Forestry camp ground after you turn off of 395 toward Yosemite, about a half mile up make a left, it is a good starting point for fishing all of the local streams. If you are going all the way to Lee Vining you mine as well go up toward the Walker River and fish some of the tributary streams like the South Fork of the West Walker past Bridgeport. It is full of hungry Brook Trout. Stay away from the main rivers they are full of ya hoo’s and planted bland tasting bow’s. I fished the Lower Owens last month below Bishop and knocked the Brown Trout dead (not dead I let them go) laregest was 4 pounds, not bad for a heavily fished area. The good fish in Lee Vining used to hang in the bends under the bank, fish them slow. I don’t know if you fly fish or not but stop in a "local" supplt store and check their chalk board for stream updates and fly preference or use a very small worm with a small split shot. Big Wave Dave

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Greetings, Wow, I’ve been monitoring this newsgroup for a couple of weeks and never knew how many of my fellow flyfishers were on the net.  I’ve been a computer professional for most of my adult life, but never though much about computers and flyfishing until recently.  Well, anyway, here’s my question. 1) Are there any members of this group who are interested in FFing West Virginia?  If so, I have info, etc. 2) Are there any members who live or fish WV regularly that might like to provide info about WV FFing to fellow members of this newsgroup? 3) Is there interest in seeing a West Virginia FFing Web Page?  I have the technical skills to put it up(at my cost-this is no solicitation!), but before going to the trouble, would like to try to gauge interest. 4)  Is anyone aware of any other pages, etc. that deal with West Virginia fishing.  I have spent a lot of time on Yahoo, et al with no results. 5)  If anyone has info on guides & lodging in WV, I would also be interested in that. Thanks, Keith Comstock

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2) Are there any members who live or fish WV regularly that might like to provide info about WV FFing to fellow members of this newsgroup? 3) Is there interest in seeing a West Virginia FFing Web Page?  I have the technical skills to put it up(at my cost-this is no solicitation!), but before going to the trouble, would like to try to gauge interest.

Hi Keith, I live in Montana and still would be interested in a WV Web Page. Keep us posted on your progress. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Does anyone know the web address for the West Virginia Trout Unlimited page? Thanks in advance for any help

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The address for the West Virginia Council of Trout Unlimited and our fantastically good web page (for a non-profit) is: http://members.aol.com/WVTU/wvtu.html I hope this helps. PS- I am the currrent pres of the Cherrry River Chapter.  We’ve been bad and don’t have our own page yet. Keith Comstock Cranberry Wilderness Outfitters web – http://www.wvoutfitters.com

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I think you can  get the WVTU link from the TU homepage.   John W. Kramer                           Clearwater Outfitters                   WE ENDORSE CATCH AND RELEASE (717) 938-3423

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I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use?

Hi Jared, The simple thing to do for this weekend would be to check with your local fly shop to see what info they have on the local river you plan to fish.  It’s in their best interest to help you be successfull so don’t hesitate to ask.  If they won’t give you the time of day, go to a different shop. The suggestions Donn gave you are the best for the long term though.  Learn the basic life-cycles of mayflies, caddisflies, stoneflies, and midges.  Learn to identify them.  Don’t need to know the particular species or latin name, but at least learn to tell the difference between mayflies and caddisflies, etc.  To start, ignore the latin names most books will give, though they may interest you later.   Remeber, the other spelling for entomolgy is "bugs".  Learn how to take a stream sample without destroying a lot of habitat.  What works can change from hour to hour let alone week to week and if you can identify what’s available you’ll do much better than "chuck it and chance it."  You’ll never learn it all, but you’ll have a great time trying.                                      good fishing,                                              Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Jared, That is a question that even 66 year old men ask.  This is what fly fishing is all about and what you spend a life time doing in this sport to try to figure out.  The fly can change from one moment to the next to the next and so on.  I can change right in front of you for several hundred different reasons. Do not get overwhelmed by this but just look at it as a challenge.  Do yourself a favor and try to do a couple of the following things and it will make you a much better fly fisher. First and foremost – learn the basics of entomology; this looks hard but really isn’t.  Get with another fisherman who understands the basics and have him explain it to you.  Pick up any of many primers on this to help you. Next – Check the streams you intend to fish for what type of insects you have and when they hatch and how they act. Next – Begin gathering those insects in specimen bottles and preserving them for future studies.  Hopefully in the not too distant future, you can begin tying flies and you will have a data base to begin to copy.  Pick up some isopropyl alcohol from Wal-Mart, K-Mart or any drug store; it is very inexpensive.  Put a solution of 90% alcohol and 10% water in the vial and then add your insect and cover. Put a sticker of some kind on it and put what it is and where you got it from.  If you want to begin a diary of all this, it will help you learn faster and give you tremendous abount of your own information that is better than anything you hear or read. Next – Always be observant for changes in anything in or around the river and what effect it has on the fish and insects.  Go with other fly fishers and ask questions.   Your brain is a many giga-byte hard drive and just begin to fill it with as many bite of information as you can.  You will never come close to getting them all and just never stop; it is a life long endeavor. This is not tuff stuff and as long as you enjoy it, it will be easy and fun and make you an experinced fly fisher at the same time. Donn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use? Thankyou Tight Lines, Jared Staskiel "In our family, there was no clear line between religion and                fly fishing"                     —Norman Maclean (1976)

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I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use? Thankyou Tight Lines, Jared Staskiel "In our family, there was no clear line between religion and                 fly fishing"                     —Norman Maclean (1976)

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We need your contributions to a new website for Mid-Atlantic flyfishers! I live in Bethesda, MD, right next to the Potomac River. I am an avid smallmouth/blugill flyfisherman, but I also enjoy fishing for trout. Like many of you, I’m feeling the Spring urge to start fishing again. Nobody likes their favorite fishing spots given away or mobbed. Having said that, there is enough good water to fish in the Mid-Atlantic area for us to share some information. To that end, I have published a website solely for purposes of exchanging information. (I do this sort of thing for a living.) I have absolutely no other interest than, like you, to know where conditions are good, where fish are caught, etc. The website is up and running now. Here is the URL: http://www.erols.com/sierra1/flyfish/midfly.htm The site isn’t fancy, but contains quality information based on first-hand knowledge. My goal is to make this site timely and functional. It will improve over time, and I will update it every time I receive information. All I ask is that you send me a brief message—at your convenience—with a few words on conditions in your area, a recent outing, successful fly patterns…or anything else that might be of use to us all. You’re welcome to give me a call too. I’ll post my home phone number below. Please take a look at the site. It is divided into areas for Virginia, Maryland, and Pennsylvania. There are also areas for fly patterns and stories or anecdotes. I’m committed to doing the work on my end. The site’s success will be determined by your willingness to contribute info, trip reports, etc. Thanks, and I look forward to hearing from you! Scott Wilkinson Bethesda, MD h: (301) 229-2863 w: (301) 229-9585 f: (301) 320-6154 Mid-Atlantic Flyfishing page: http://www.erols.com/sierra1/flyfish/midfly.htm

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  Is there anyone out there that shares the same passion as me for fishing in the Niagara region?  If you live in Niagara and an experienced/unexperienced angler who fishes Port Dalhousie, the Whirlpool, Queenston Sand Docks, Pebbley Beach or the upper Niagara Rapids, I would like to hear from you!   I am especially interested in the spring Rainbow runs and the fall Chinook runs but I fish all year round for these species.  In the summer I devote most of my time to Smallmouth fishing.   If you would like any advice or tips about this region or if you have any advice or comments for me, I’m anxious to hear from you!!  

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 Is there anyone out there that shares the same passion as me for fishing in the Niagara region?  If you live in Niagara and an experienced/unexperienced angler who fishes Port Dalhousie, the Whirlpool, Queenston Sand Docks, Pebbley Beach or the upper Niagara Rapids, I would like to hear from you!  I am especially interested in the spring Rainbow runs and the fall Chinook runs but I fish all year round for these species.  In the summer I devote most of my time to Smallmouth fishing.  If you would like any advice or tips about this region or if you have any advice or comments for me, I’m anxious to hear from you!!  

  I one of those anglers whose has traveled up and down the 300 some odd stairs that lead to the Whirlpools.  For anyone out there who hasn’t fished any part of the Niagra I highly reccommend it.  I never fished a river with so much species diversity, you don’t know what your going to catch.  I’ve caught lake trout, brown trout, steelhead, chinook salmon and smallmouth bass, all out of Canada’s largest fishing hole "the Whirlpools".  The majority of my succes in the fall comes from fishing chinook skeen or brown roe, also being a fly fisherman I always find drifting a large attractor pattern such as a Maribou Matuka or big nymph patterns is worth a shot.  If you want to catch some big fish give the Niagra a chance you won’t be sorry.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Is there anyone out there that shares the same passion as me for fishing in the Niagara region?  If you live in Niagara and an experienced/unexperienced angler who fishes Port Dalhousie, the Whirlpool, Queenston Sand Docks, Pebbley Beach or the upper Niagara Rapids, I would like to hear from you!  I am especially interested in the spring Rainbow runs and the fall Chinook runs but I fish all year round for these species.  In the summer I devote most of my time to Smallmouth fishing.  If you would like any advice or tips about this region or if you have any advice or comments for me, I’m anxious to hear from you!!     I one of those anglers whose has traveled up and down the 300 some odd stairs that lead to the Whirlpools.  For anyone out there who hasn’t fished any part of the Niagra I highly reccommend it.  I never fished a river with so much species diversity, you don’t know what your going to catch.  I’ve caught lake trout, brown trout, steelhead, chinook salmon and smallmouth bass, all out of Canada’s largest fishing hole "the Whirlpools".  The majority of my succes in the fall comes from fishing chinook skeen or brown roe, also being a fly fisherman I always find drifting a large attractor pattern such as a Maribou Matuka or big nymph patterns is worth a shot.  If you want to catch some big fish give the Niagra a chance you won’t be sorry.

   I have also fished the Whirlpool for a number of years.  It was one of those well kept "secret" spots.  I usually climb down the cliff from the park above the whirlpool.  You are right, you can catch just about anything there, even catfish or whatever you call them.  I call them hornpout.  We caught some nice rainbows last weekend and a few Kings, Landlocks, and a coho.  The Lake trout are pests.  You get tired playing 8-10 lb. lake trout all day long but I guess you have to take a little bad with the good. — Bgame

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, so there. 4" crappie KING. Mark

Oh yeah!!  *I* was learning to fly fish and was casting onto a pond the size of most people’s driveways, when this Bluegill took the wiggly-green- legged floating fly I had selected to practice with (easy to see).  The hook was about a #8 (big for a fly), and the Bluegill was *exactly* 2 inches long… Brian — Brian Dixon, Machine Vision Engineer, Hewlett Packard (Corvallis, Oregon)

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  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"   red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.   The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.   The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —      _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3"  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish.  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin.  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. —     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer  

I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, so there. 4" crappie KING. Mark

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:  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3" :  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish. : :  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin. :   :  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. :   :   : : — :     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo : |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   : : I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about : their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) : I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, : so there. : 4" crappie KING. : Mark I got a small trout (1" ) on a pheasant tail nymph last thursday. It was a hell of a fight. Thought I never would get it up! He/she was in fine condition so I released it after. Actually I didn’t know I had a fish on until I had made two or three dry casts. But I got a lot of big trouts and growlings (I think its the name in english) — – Peter Aberg         –     _____.              - – S-302 33 HALMSTAD   –              /          - + Tel:46-35-187617    +          O  /           +               – http://www.hh.se:7777/       Flyfish          -  ____        __                   /  _`     / __                 L __ ,_    __   _ __     /  __/ _/  __/ /     _ ____\ __ ____\ _

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :  I was out in the Gulf over the week end and caught a 2.5 to 3" :  red grouper on an 8/0 Hook.  The hook was bigger then the fish. : :  The bait was a 6" frozen sardin. :   :  The hook was just wedged in its mouth and it couldn’t get off. :   :   : : — :     _______   o  |  Gone fish’n in KoKoMo : |_/ ——   o |  Carl Traenkner, Lead Software Engineer   : : I never thought I would see the day when fishermen would brag about : their small fish, but at least I have something to brag about here! ;^) : I have caught more 4" crappie than all of your dinky fish put together, : so there. : 4" crappie KING. : Mark I got a small trout (1" ) on a pheasant tail nymph last thursday. It was a hell of a fight. Thought I never would get it up! He/she was in fine condition so I released it after. Actually I didn’t know I had a fish on until I had made two or three dry casts. But I got a lot of big trouts and growlings (I think its the name in english) —

Well here’s mine. :^) I caught a 4" perch on a 9" swim whiz while trolling for muskies last Sat. He wasn’t foul hooked either he was hooked in the upper lip by a single hook from the middle treble. BTW Thanks to all the folks who took time to respond to my question about fronts. I will remember the good advice. Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - Peter Aberg         –     _____.              - – S-302 33 HALMSTAD   –              /          - + Tel:46-35-187617    +          O  /           +           – http://www.hh.se:7777/       Flyfish          - ____        __                   /  _`     / __                 L __ ,_    __   _ __     /  __/ _/  __/ /   _ ____\ __ ____\ _

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I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each… Scott Goodwin — |      /|~~~ |EAT. SLEEP. FISH.   "PLAY BALL!" (my 2 favorite words)

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I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each…

I’ve never seen a (yellow) perch smaller than 6", but I have caught those little rock bass.  They are especially aggressive from dusk to darkness. I have a bag of #22 hooks in my tacklebox, along with some 1 lb line.  I have caught redbreast sunfish less than an in with this setup. Just this past Sunday I caught 5 3" striped bass from a small estuary of the Long Island sound.  They were so cute, I wanted to take them home and put them in an aquarium, but they were about 33" short of the 36" minimum! Scott Goodwin — |      /|~~~ |EAT. SLEEP. FISH.   "PLAY BALL!" (my 2 favorite words)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was fishing in a lake near my home in Lebanon, NH and I was pulling out 1-1/2 rock bass and perch for hours, I’d use a salmon egg hook with a worm on it, and these TINY little fish would attack them, and I’d just pull them out of the water, it was pretty fun because the big bass weren’t biting, but has anypne else heard of tiny fish biting like that? I think I caught several of them 2-3 time each… I’ve never seen a (yellow) perch smaller than 6", but I have caught those little rock bass.  They are especially aggressive from dusk to darkness. I have a bag of #22 hooks in my tacklebox, along with some 1 lb line.  I have caught redbreast sunfish less than an in with this setup. Just this past Sunday I caught 5 3" striped bass from a small estuary of the Long Island sound.  They were so cute, I wanted to take them home and put them in an aquarium, but they were about 33" short of the 36" minimum!

I’ve got a place on the Winnipeg River in Manitoba, and my dock sits in a small bay used by little feeders while they’re growing up. I use the smallest hook I have, stick a bit of worm on it, and it gets hit within 30 seconds every time. Usually yellow perch 3 or 4 inches long, the odd 6 inch walleye, the odd bass.  Of course the only time we do this is when I’m teaching my two year old son how to fish. He just beams every time he gets one! Plus they hit so light, the hook only gets them in the lip, so we’ve never (to my knowledge) done serious damage to one. Later, when asked how big his fish was, he stands up on his tip-toes and raises his hand high above his head – he’s gonna be a heckuva fisherman.

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