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 I was determained to nymph for a few hours  using all the valuable tips I had recieved at show. Going upstream with the sun at my back I used Wayno’s valuable crawling tactics–could not use Humphreys tuck casts upstream as it was mostly small  pods of water behind rocks. So I tried high sticking with a  strike indicator and caught several 10 to 12 inch  wild rainbows  that  were real active when hooked. I cannot understand  writers who suggest moving indicator up or down due to depth of water because in this type of water you would have to adjust every second cast.

That’s one of the reasons Humphrey’s teaches not to use an indicator  Wish I had seen Humphreys again – he’s a sparkplug.

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Wasted a day at fly-fishing show in Charlotte last weekend.

        (amazing amount of information shoved into a small space, snipped) I drove five hours home to Wilmington wondering why he had locked the door to his car. Joe McIntosh

        what a fantastic trip report.  when i grow up, i want to be just like you, joe.         your friend up in the red clay country         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"-Indian Joe I drove five hours home to Wilmington wondering why he had locked the door to his car. Joe McIntosh

Well Joe, it’s an an old yankee habit. I remember my surprise in NC one day,when I returned to my van and found out I had left the door open! Not unlocked but open!  . . . nothing amiss. john . . . who has noticed a predilection for people to push their remote button until the horn beeps.

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Wasted a day at fly-fishing show in Charlotte last weekend. Joe Humphres talk on nymph fishing had lots of films of Joe catching  fish in Penn many years and we were all requested to yell now when he sould set the hook!!That guy is as old as me, and his stories are  worn out. Then Casada spoke on fishing in N.C. mountains- stories about snowbird and Slickrock- later I ask him which way he went into Slickrock because his  belly  told me he couldn’t get back up Fat Gap. He allowed as he had not been out that way for a few years. Sunday I tried to fish the top part of Opie’s creek but the local police stopped me at lower bridge and said I would have to hike in. Some yankee from Long Island had parked his car last week at the trail hed, left a suicide note inside, locked the door and dissappeared. I hiked along way upstream, sun was out,water cold on feet and I caught only two small rainbows on dry flies. Think I was more concerned with hooking a body than setting the hook. Monday morning I stopped by Waldo"s shop and he  was so sick I did not want to hang around long enough to share whatever he had so I again headed out to Opie"s place.  I was determained to nymph for a few hours  using all the valuable tips I had recieved at show. Going upstream with the sun at my back I used Wayno’s valuable crawling tactics–could not use Humphreys tuck casts upstream as it was mostly small  pods of water behind rocks. So I tried high sticking with a  strike indicator and caught several 10 to 12 inch  wild rainbows  that  were real active when hooked. I cannot understand  writers who suggest moving indicator up or down due to depth of water because in this type of water you would have to adjust every second cast. Was really getting into all this when  the police arrived and ask me to leave the area—-the buzzards had not led them to that poor yankee’s body so they were going to try the "dogs". I drove five hours home to Wilmington wondering why he had locked the door to his car. Joe McIntosh

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Smoking that shit from cabin one again John????       Handyman         Mike Handyman   Mike

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And I suppose to you it is an earth shattering event?? To me it don’t mean a damn thing. The death of my father,obscure and never publicised,was of enormously greater import.  Maybe you need to get a life.

losin a father, of course, is significant. how did you feel when you heard john lennon was shot? john kennedy? how did you feel when someone you admired and considered a hero died? listless? happy? don, maybe you need to get a life…. a real life. walt

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BTW, Dale Earnhardt was a native North Carolinian! — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just returned from Raleigh.  I took my dad his somewhat new golf cart.  I listened to the Daytona 500 on the way down and upon my return. Though I have never been a big NASCAR fan, I will truly miss Dale Earnhardt. He was one of the best loved and hated in his sport Opie  –Very Sad–

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I have just returned from Raleigh.  I took my dad his somewhat new golf cart.  I listened to the Daytona 500 on the way down and upon my return. Though I have never been a big NASCAR fan, I will truly miss Dale Earnhardt. He was one of the best loved and hated in his sport Opie  –Very Sad–

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I was about to post the following when Mark  beat me to it.  Cut and paste" Sad news in NASCAR racing, today.  Dale Earnhart, 7 time NASCAR champ, died after a crash on the final lap of today’s Daytona 500.  Michael Waltrip and his team-mate Dale Earnhart, Jr., came in 1st and 2nd.  Earnhart would have been third except for the incident that caused him and Kenny Schraeder to crash out of the race on the final lap.  The crash wasn’t that bad.  I’ve seen Earnhart walk away from far worse.  My heart goes out to all you Nortch Carolina boys, especially Pamlico Jim who was a wonderful Earnhart fan. The irony of it:  Michael Waltrip has been Cup racing for 15 or so years and never had a good car or someone to trust in him. He had never won a Nascar race. Earnhart saw the talent in Waltrip and owned the car that Michael drove today. I only hope he new that both of his cars, Waltrip’s and Jr.’s, came in 1st and 2nd. Dave L.

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Yeah, well, don’t count your elephants before they hatch! Opie  –Presently rosy cheeked–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think too deeply….. Beginning to suspect there is little truth to this assertion. Wolfgang

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Joe F. wrote… <snip <snip   I guess if your number’s up… Friend, how about a little respect?  Lets not treat this mans death as some meaningless happening.

I think it’s pretty strange when drivers race cars at about 200 mph around an oval, within inches of one another, and then people get all surprised and upset when someone gets killed. The danger is really the POINT of auto racing. If somehow the powers that be could contrive to make it perfectly safe, interest in the sport would drop like a rock. It would have about as much interest as watching teenagers play video games. These guys race because paying customers like to see them risking their lives. They probably enjoy it, too, but they wouldn’t be doing it unless a lot of people were paying for the spectacle. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I feel miserable about the passing of Dale.  Last evening I was planning on tying a few flies and relaxing for the evening.  I then heard the news from a buddy of mine on the phone.  I still am in shock over the untimely death of a man that I hated, loved and admired.  I hated him on the track for his dirty ways.  I loved him for his zealousness, competitiveness and what he has done for the sport of stock car racing and apart from him racing ‘dirty’ at times, he appeared to be a true gentleman. All who watched the Daytona 500 on Sunday were able to witness a ‘new’ Dale Earnhardt, in that he was protecting the lead for either Michael Waltrip or his son, we don’t know which one, but we can all attest to the fact that that was very uncharacteristic of  the ‘Intimidator’ and I was very happy to see Dale race in that fashion.  He left us with an image of what he was probably like as a father, husband and friend— a real man, one who is loving, protective and gracious, even though in the past that picture wasn’t painted on the race track.  But, it is evident that Dale was a gentleman and he will be greatly missed!!!! Growing up I attended many NASCAR races at Michigan, Bristol, Charlotte and Daytona and he was always the thorn in this fans side because he always was winning, or preventing one of my favorites from winning—I was always happy to see him a lap down, running out of gas or with a blown tire, but never, ever did I wish any harm to him, nor any other driver.  I remember talking with my father during a Sunday race about Earnhardt and that he drove us nuts…..then we both agreed it was fun seeing him run his tank empty or blow a motor (which was rare for RCR Enterprises Engine Building Team) but we would never like to see him be injured because of a mishap.  I have lightened up over the years concerning Dale, and I actually enjoyed seeing him win the Daytona 500 a few years back.  I thought, "Good for you Dale, you have definitely earned it!!!" I sat last night in shock and tears because, reflecting on past conversations with my father about racing and Dale, I remember us agreeing that NASCAR wouldn’t be the same without Dale out there doing what he does best. I’m sad and I hurt for the whole community that was so close to him, his dear and close friends, and his family. To Dale:  It won’t be same without you!  Thank you for many years of fun filled and exciting races. You are and will be missed.  Richard may have been the King, but that never stopped you from making it to the top! God Bless the family, friends and partners of Dale, DEI and RCR.

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And I suppose to you it is an earth shattering event?? To me it don’t mean a damn thing. The death of my father,obscure and never publicised,was of enormously greater import.  Maybe you need to get a life. —  Don Thompson Another of the Thompson Boys

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe F. wrote… <snip <snip   I guess if your number’s up… Friend, how about a little respect?  Lets not treat this mans death as some meaningless happening.

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I don’t think too deeply…..

Beginning to suspect there is little truth to this assertion. Wolfgang

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Joe F. wrote…

<snip <snip   I guess if your number’s up… Friend, how about a little respect?  Lets not treat this mans death as some meaningless happening.

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Well sure he was a great personality. No doubt about it. But would you classify his death as noble? Ever read the short story entitled "The Lottery"? NASCAR reminds me of that.

Don’t know about ‘noble’ but I guess if I had to die young, a sudden death while fishing wouldn’t be the worst way to exit. I never met Dale Earnhardt, but I kind of think he felt the same way about racing, or he would have retired after Neil Bonnet’s death. As it was, Earnhardt wasn’t the same for some time after Bonnet died. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just returned from Raleigh.  I took my dad his somewhat new golf cart.  I listened to the Daytona 500 on the way down and upon my return. Though I have never been a big NASCAR fan, I will truly miss Dale Earnhardt. He was one of the best loved and hated in his sport I hadn’t heard until your post.   I couldn’t believe it.   I’m not a NASCAR fan either; but I have to appreciate anyone who’s done what Earnhardt has done in their particular venue.   Damned shame. Odd though, that in the news coverage, the crash that killed him didn’t look so bad compared to many of the flip in the air, acrobatic, car-disintegrating wrecks that some drivers walk away from (including the Home Depot car in that race).   I guess if your number’s up… Joe F.

Not to be flippant about a serious matter, but it’s like the old saying, "It’s not your parachute not opening that kills you, it’s the sudden stop that does it."  A "wild" crash certainly looks spectacular, but look more closely – the cars flip and/or spin, all the while losing speed and inertia – Earnhardt, basically, "instantly" decelerated (not "instantly" in the absolute, but you get the idea) from 180 MPH when he hit the wall at maybe 25 degrees from perpendicular and then the other car "drove" his.  If the other car had not driven his car sideways, I’d guess the "seriousness" would have been more readily apparent.  When I saw the crash the first time, I thought what most were saying – it didn’t appear too bad, but when I saw it in slower motion, looking critically, it looked pretty bad. TC, R

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Odd though, that in the news coverage, the crash that killed him didn’t look so bad compared to many of the flip in the air, acrobatic, car-disintegrating wrecks that some drivers walk away from (including the Home Depot car in that race).   I guess if your number’s up… Joe F.

Actually the ’spectacular’ crashes are sldom fatal because all of the acrobatics tend to scrub off speed and dissipate the force of the inpact. The truly deadly crashes are the sudden decelleration type that killed Earnhardt. 180 to 0 mph in less then a second. The human body simply wasn’t designed to deal with those kind of g-forces. The two drivers killed at Loudon, NH last year suffered the same type of injury, and niether crash appeared ’serious’. There is really no safety equipment that can be added to the car or driver that would prevent fatalities from this type of injury. Track design, (’soft walls’, water barriers, etc, might help. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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He was a *great* sportz personality, regardless of Zimbo’z *opinion*! While I have never been fascinated by celebrity, nor have I ever had a hero, I must say that Dale Earnhardt’s death has affected me for some reason.

Well sure he was a great personality. No doubt about it. But would you classify his death as noble? Ever read the short story entitled "The Lottery"? NASCAR reminds me of that. –Steve

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I have just returned from Raleigh.  I took my dad his somewhat new golf cart.  I listened to the Daytona 500 on the way down and upon my return. Though I have never been a big NASCAR fan, I will truly miss Dale Earnhardt. He was one of the best loved and hated in his sport

I hadn’t heard until your post.   I couldn’t believe it.   I’m not a NASCAR fan either; but I have to appreciate anyone who’s done what Earnhardt has done in their particular venue.   Damned shame. Odd though, that in the news coverage, the crash that killed him didn’t look so bad compared to many of the flip in the air, acrobatic, car-disintegrating wrecks that some drivers walk away from (including the Home Depot car in that race).   I guess if your number’s up… Joe F.

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I don’t think too deeply, nor do I dwell upon the aspects that might make a *sport* appealing to varying people.  NASCAR is a *sport* and one that has in recent years drawn a good deal of attention from BIG MONEY sponsors.  The fact that some of its participants die is regrettable, but no more so than in other sports.  Dale Earnhardt knew the dangers involved and chose to race anyway.  I don’t lament the way in which he died, but the fact that he did die! Steve, people die everyday playing, for money and/or enjoyment, one or another otherwise *meaningless* sports.  If folks gain something from participating in a particular sport or from merely observing said sports, I have no qualms with it. Why would you suppose that I might think any death as noble?  I rarely use the term, when referring to humans! Opie  —-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He was a *great* sportz personality, regardless of Zimbo’z *opinion*! While I have never been fascinated by celebrity, nor have I ever had a hero, I must say that Dale Earnhardt’s death has affected me for some reason. Well sure he was a great personality. No doubt about it. But would you classify his death as noble? Ever read the short story entitled "The Lottery"? NASCAR reminds me of that. –Steve

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Zimbo writes: The really sad thing is that in addition to the fact that Dale was killed (he didn’t *die*, he was *killed*), this news will only bring more popularity to one of the world’s stupidest sports. –Steve

Give me a break!  It is the most popular sport in the world.  I would guess that more people are killed fly fishing every year than in organized automobile racing.  Bull fighting, mountain climbing and auto racing are the only sports. The rest are games (according to Hemingway).

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He was a *great* sportz personality, regardless of Zimbo’z *opinion*!  While I have never been fascinated by celebrity, nor have I ever had a hero, I must say that Dale Earnhardt’s death has affected me for some reason. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kelly writes: I love Winston Cup racing, but for me, a big part of the thrill is gone. It’s been said he could see the air.  There wasn’t anyone like him, probably never will be.

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Kelly writes: I love Winston Cup racing, but for me, a big part of the thrill is gone.

It’s been said he could see the air.  There wasn’t anyone like him, probably never will be.

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Kelly writes: I love Winston Cup racing, but for me, a big part of the thrill is gone. It’s been said he could see the air.  There wasn’t anyone like him, probably never will be.

    When they put Waltrip’s car on display across the street from the speedway, tragically absent will be the donut Dale would have put on the driver side door.                    Kelly

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The sudden stop from 180 mph seems to be what killed him. The sudden decelleration caused severe head injuries. There really is no way to protect against this type of accident. Dale’s best friend, Niel Bonnet died under similar circumstances a few years ago.

The really sad thing is that in addition to the fact that Dale was killed (he didn’t *die*, he was *killed*), this news will only bring more popularity to one of the world’s stupidest sports. –Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sudden stop from 180 mph seems to be what killed him. The sudden decelleration caused severe head injuries. There really is no way to protect against this type of accident. Dale’s best friend, Niel Bonnet died under similar circumstances a few years ago. NASCAR might take a hard look at the recent changes in the "aero package" that causes the cars to stay bunched up for 500 miles. It makes a great show for the fans, but with an 18 car wreck, and then the fatality, it has proved very costly. Ironically, Earnhardt has been a vocal critic of restrictor plate racing for many years. A very sad day indeed. George Adams

    When they first ran the new aero package last fall at Talladega, and Dale made that great run from 15th or so to the victory in 5 laps, I’ll admit I thought the new rules were terrific. But I agree with you. Something needs to be looked at. Talladega is a lot wider than Daytona. I think the cleaner aerodynamics are safer at Daytona, where there is less room to bounce around. The big wreck was bound to happen. I know Dale hated the follow the leader plate races that he was so good at. I didn’t catch his feelings about running under the new rules, but I thought most of the Dodge and GM guys were favorable to them. NASCAR did indeed get the show they wanted, at least until the last lap, and it was one of the most thrilling races I’ve ever watched (even my wife watched a good part of it), but that’s not the kind of racing I like if this is how it ends.                      Kelly

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Forgive the spelling mistakes in that last post.  Very shook up over this.  I can hardly believe it.  It was a joy to see Earnhardt racing his son and protecting him.  I’m going to have to find a new hero……. and Earnhardt is going to be difficult to replace…

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The sudden stop from 180 mph seems to be what killed him. The sudden decelleration caused severe head injuries. There really is no way to protect against this type of accident. Dale’s best friend, Niel Bonnet died under similar circumstances a few years ago. NASCAR might take a hard look at the recent changes in the "aero package" that causes the cars to stay bunched up for 500 miles. It makes a great show for the fans, but with an 18 car wreck, and then the fatality, it has proved very costly. Ironically, Earnhardt has been a vocal critic of restrictor plate racing for many years. A very sad day indeed. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was about to post the following when Mark  beat me to it.  Cut and paste" Sad news in NASCAR racing, today.  Dale Earnhart, 7 time NASCAR champ, died after a crash on the final lap of today’s Daytona 500.  Michael Waltrip and his team-mate Dale Earnhart, Jr., came in 1st and 2nd.  Earnhart would have been third except for the incident that caused him and Kenny Schraeder to crash out of the race on the final lap.  The crash wasn’t that bad.  I’ve seen Earnhart walk away from far worse.  My heart goes out to all you Nortch Carolina boys, especially Pamlico Jim who was a wonderful Earnhart fan. The irony of it:  Michael Waltrip has been Cup racing for 15 or so years and never had a good car or someone to trust in him. He had never won a Nascar race. Earnhart saw the talent in Waltrip and owned the car that Michael drove today. I only hope he new that both of his cars, Waltrip’s and Jr.’s, came in 1st and 2nd. Dave L.

    As a big fan, I thought our run was over a few years back when, during his long winless streak, Dale passed out on the pace lap during the Southern 500 at Darlington and hit the wall coming out of turn 4. But then he came back at Daytona the next year with a truly spectacular victory. As the other drivers of his generation ended their careers just trying to make laps, he was still the best one on the track. He was amazing and thrilling to watch. Nerves of steel and will of iron. I thought the Goodwrench team was going to do it again this year.    DEI did an incredible thing today putting a brand new team in the winners circle at the 500. But I feel just awful for the Earnhardts, Michael and DEI, and RCR. This really is a very, very sad day for me and a lot of other motor-heads. I love Winston Cup racing, but for me, a big part of the thrill is gone.                                  Kelly

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Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                        Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Hi Mike & Anne, I just checked the their web site and it says it is 75 minutes from the International airport outside Belize City. http://www.jaguarpaw.com/ The Green Parrot Resort is on the coast about 7 miles north of Placencia in Southern Belize. http://www.greenparrot-belize.com/index.html If you need any help getting around in Belize, just email Margie Perez, she is a good local travel agent at the airport outside of Belize City. My specialty is fishing in Belize. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                        Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Mike, Was in Belize this past June, beautiful country!   Jaguar Paw is about 60 minutes from the airport.  The roads you’ll be driving aren’t rough at all, except down towards Placencia.  Take your time and enjoy the ride, and watch out for speed bumps.  Enjoy! -Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                       Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Thanks to Carl and Bill for their time and infomation. Mike&Anne

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We are planning a trip in January to Belize. Unlike other tropical spots there is little on the hotel/resort ratings.  We are looking at Roberts Grove in Placencia, the Lighthouse Reef Resort, Lighthouse Reef and at Little Water Caye.  Any suggestions?  We are looking for something, clean, on the Hyatt Regency sort of standards of living… Before you buy.

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We are planning a trip in January to Belize. Unlike other tropical spots there is little on the hotel/resort ratings.  We are looking at Roberts Grove in Placencia, the Lighthouse Reef Resort, Lighthouse Reef and at Little Water Caye.  Any suggestions?  We are looking for something, clean, on the Hyatt Regency sort of standards of living… My Belize Book of Lists 2000 (hint:  it’s available via Amazon.com, Barnes&Noble.com, etc.!) does rate and rank hotels in all areas of Belize. Below are samples. There are some wonderful places in Belize, but if you are looking for big, glitzy resorts on the Hyatt Regency scale, Belize is probaly the wrong place. –Lan Sluder Editor & Publisher Belize First Magazine http://www.turq.com/belizefirst/ 10 Top Mainland Seaside Resorts Mainland beaches aren

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You’re right  - I gave the thing a smack and it’s only -32 C! I’m strippin’ down! I’m in the ‘Peg – Ottawa is tropical in comparison Before you buy.

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Still, -32 C is 32 degrees _below_ the freezing point of water. The only thing hatching at temperatures like that are icecubes? Herman, wondering if America is really _that_ different from Europe You’re right  - I gave the thing a smack and it’s only -32 C! I’m strippin’ down! I’m in the ‘Peg – Ottawa is tropical in comparison Before you buy.

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Yes, Herman!  Things are that different here in America.  We had a lovely *icecube* hatch last year on Upper Creek.  While the damn things are somewhat difficult to tie on a hook. The trout just love the different flavors, when you mix in a little KOOL-AID. — Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!**

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Still, -32 C is 32 degrees _below_ the freezing point of water. The only thing hatching at temperatures like that are icecubes? Herman, wondering if America is really _that_ different from Europe You’re right  - I gave the thing a smack and it’s only -32 C! I’m strippin’ down! I’m in the ‘Peg – Ottawa is tropical in comparison Before you buy. — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Just checked the thermometer and its -41 C. The Tricos should be coming off any day now. Ottawa can get pretty cold indeed, but -41C is like -70F. You sure your thermometer is working correctly?

Jeez, your supposed to be an engineer or computer geek or something – -40C is about -40F, it’s the point where the two systems meet. Having been in Winterpeg in the middle of January more than once and having lived in Ottawa, I’ll take the ‘Peg. Peter

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Just checked the thermometer and its -41 C. The Tricos should be coming off any day now.

-41 C?? Well in Fahrenheit that must be nearly… Lesse F = 9/5C + 32… That means -41C is minus fort–no wait, that can’t be right!! <g –Steve (pardon the math joke)

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Ottawa can get pretty cold indeed, but -41C is like -70F.  You sure your thermometer is working correctly?

*Something’s* not working correctly, that’s for sure. HINT: Did you use a UNIX-based calculator to come up with that answer, Dave? –Steve

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Jeez, your supposed to be an engineer or computer geek or something – -40C is about -40F, it’s the point where the two systems meet.

There are other aspects to 2nd childhoods than fast cars… <g — Charlie…

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Just checked the thermometer and its -41 C. The Tricos should be coming off any day now. Ottawa can get pretty cold indeed, but -41C is like -70F. You sure your thermometer is working correctly? Jeez, your supposed to be an engineer or computer geek or something –

A DEMOCRATIC engineer or computer geek or something – I’ll bet he stuffs his turkey through the neck (do with that what you will) <G. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –40C is about -40F, it’s the point where the two systems meet.

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Just checked the thermometer and its -41 C. The Tricos should be coming off any day now. Sigh

Excuse my ignorance: what’s the Tricos? Chris Always willing to learn.

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Ottawa can get pretty cold indeed, but -41C is like -70F.  You sure your thermometer is working correctly? *Something’s* not working correctly, that’s for sure. HINT: Did you use a UNIX-based calculator to come up with that answer, Dave? –Steve

Yikes – did I post that? To the Windows Calculator with 9/5C+32  and – ooops – there’s where I lost it, I never added the 32…Oh well… Goes to show that posting after drinking your way through "The Big Book Of Wine At That Really Expensive Restaurant" could be hazardous to your dignity. /daytripper (recovering slowly…)

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Does it matter at that point?

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Tricos are a little tiny mayfly. About a number 26. I tie them on a #24 hook but only dress the front half of the shank. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Just checked the thermometer and its -41 C. The Tricos should be coming off any day now. Sigh Excuse my ignorance: what’s the Tricos? Chris Always willing to learn.

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Dignity?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ottawa can get pretty cold indeed, but -41C is like -70F.  You sure your thermometer is working correctly? *Something’s* not working correctly, that’s for sure. HINT: Did you use a UNIX-based calculator to come up with that answer, Dave? –Steve Yikes – did I post that? To the Windows Calculator with 9/5C+32  and – ooops – there’s where I lost it, I never added the 32…Oh well… Goes to show that posting after drinking your way through "The Big Book Of Wine At That Really Expensive Restaurant" could be hazardous to your dignity. /daytripper (recovering slowly…)

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Tricos are a little tiny mayfly. About a number 26. I tie them on a #24 hook but only dress the front half of the shank. Paul

    i thought they were a type of diptera.  or is that "diphteria"? wayno, a little weak on the entomology.

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Tricos are a little tiny mayfly. About a number 26. I tie them on a #24 hook but only dress the front half of the shank. Paul    i thought they were a type of diptera.  or is that "diphteria"? wayno, a little weak on the entomology.

    wait, no; i meant "diptheria". wayno, just plain weak – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I thought diphtheria is a disease. Diptera is the true fly family of which midges are a member. Tricorythodes is a genus of mayfly (Ephemeroptera).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tricos are a little tiny mayfly. About a number 26. I tie them on a #24 hook but only dress the front half of the shank. Paul    i thought they were a type of diptera.  or is that "diphteria"? wayno, a little weak on the entomology.     wait, no; i meant "diptheria". wayno, just plain weak

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"Brian D. Nelson" wrote I thought diphtheria is a disease. Diptera is the true fly family of which midges are a member. Tricorythodes is a genus of mayfly (Ephemeroptera).

Diphtheria is a disease, just like flyfishing. Ernie

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Diphtheria is a disease, just like flyfishing. Ernie

Then I hope I don’t catch it (the diphtheria, that is) because, like flyfishing, there is no cure (except to go fishing, of course!). — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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Diptera = two wings. Usually the critters that bite, or if not look too much like those not to swat them. Grammatical codswallop, but I guess you get the point. Herman Shit, I think I inhaled.. Tricos are a little tiny mayfly. About a number 26. I tie them on a #24 hook but only dress the front half of the shank. Paul     i thought they were a type of diptera.  or is that "diphteria"? wayno, a little weak on the entomology.

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Herman,   The trico is closely related to a British insect called the Treacle (look up the taxonomy, but as you can tell by the name, they are closely related).  Though both are often mentioned in Winter settings, but at -40 Centigrade or Fahrenheit, they bear a striking similarity, i.e. they don’t move a whole bunch.              Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, Herman!  Things are that different here in America.  We had a lovely *icecube* hatch last year on Upper Creek.  While the damn things are somewhat difficult to tie on a hook. The trout just love the different flavors, when you mix in a little KOOL-AID. — Opie  **Panhandling for a better tomorrow!** Still, -32 C is 32 degrees _below_ the freezing point of water. The only thing hatching at temperatures like that are icecubes? Herman, wondering if America is really _that_ different from Europe You’re right  - I gave the thing a smack and it’s only -32 C! I’m strippin’ down! I’m in the ‘Peg – Ottawa is tropical in comparison Before you buy. — Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

Before you buy.

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That’s my kind of insect.. I don’t move much at -40 C either. Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Herman,   The trico is closely related to a British insect called the Treacle (look up the taxonomy, but as you can tell by the name, they are closely related).  Though both are often mentioned in Winter settings, but at -40 Centigrade or Fahrenheit, they bear a striking similarity, i.e. they don’t move a whole bunch.              Frank

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but here in Montana, Tricos hatch in August, not wintertime. Fill me in on the Treacle. I’ve never heard of it and cannot tell by the name that they are closely related (other than the "Tr").

Herman,   The trico is closely related to a British insect called the Treacle (look up the taxonomy, but as you can tell by the name, they are closely related).  Though both are often mentioned in Winter settings, but at -40 Centigrade or Fahrenheit, they bear a striking similarity, i.e. they don’t move a whole bunch.              Frank

– Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters Missoula, Montana http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm 406-626-4022

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That’s my kind of insect.. I don’t move much at -40 C either.

I experienced -40 one time…actually it was -44 F.  At that temperature you had BETTER keep moving!  Trust me on this one.       Wolfgang digging out from under 13" of new snow this morning

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Just checked the thermometer and its -41 C. The Tricos should be coming off any day now. Sigh Before you buy.

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Just checked the thermometer and its -41 C. The Tricos should be coming off any day now.

Ottawa can get pretty cold indeed, but -41C is like -70F.  You sure your thermometer is working correctly?

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I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

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(brevity snip) <<I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. I don’t think it is as prone to UV (sunlight) damage as mono is. The only drawback (very slight) is that it doesn’t float.  I usually gink mine up to within five inches of the dry fly.  Benefits:  It’s refractive index is very close to that of water, making it almost invisible to the fish.  I have found that I can drop down one size (i.e. 6x to 5x or even 4x) with the same results.  It is stiffer than mono and less prone to twisting. Go to www.dejanews.com and look up "flurocarbon tippet".  There was an exhaustive thread on it not too long ago. Dave LaCourse

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It works great for me!  I use it everywhere.  Perfect for salt or fresh. Forrest – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I was told that flurocarbon is more abrasion resistant. If that’s the case I would definetly look into it. Can’t say that I know though. Is it? Have a good one,     Jeff Jowers     Revelation 3:20 Many times I’ve seen why they call it fishing, not catching.

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I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I. Then the past few times I was fishing the swift I was using 8x maxima ultra green tippet and the fish were avoiding my flies while the guy down stream with the same fly was catching fish on 5X flurocarbon. I think it does make a difference. The stuff really does disappear in water so it can’t hurt. sf

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

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I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I.

Yup – I remember that. I was using dark Maxima as usual, but on that day the fish were thumbing their beaks at me. The Mirage did seem to turn the tide, so to speak… And it’s always a good thing to give the Captain a boost if his luck is off: it’s usually a long walk back to shore ;^) /daytripper (ps to sf: I’ll be on the Cape of Cod all next week, we’ll do the ‘Mack again when I get back)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I bought some Orvis Mirage knotted leaders (9′, 12lb) last year out of their sale flyer. I tried them one day while fishing for stripers with a friend. I was catching many more fish than he. I gave him one of the leaders (it was his boat) and he started getting as many fish as I. Then the past few times I was fishing the swift I was using 8x maxima ultra green tippet and the fish were avoiding my flies while the guy down stream with the same fly was catching fish on 5X flurocarbon. I think it does make a difference. The stuff really does disappear in water so it can’t hurt. sf I was just wondering how good flurocarbon tippet is.  I just can’t decide if I want to risk dropping the money and it turns out like crap.  I usually carry at least 5 spools of tippet material and it would be a costly venture, especially when there are so many more tying materials that I want (does it ever stop?!?!). I have heard how it goes bad in sunlight.  Any other drawbacks?  What are the benefits?  This is not a troll, just want some info. Thanks for the input (should I receive any), Warren

determines its invisibility first and then color. I’m sure I will be reading soon about tippet material that is .0002 in diameter which has a breaking strength of 125 pounds.   Great sport. — Mr. G.   ‘all’s fair with fur or feather’ http://www.gink.com http://www.rodbuilding.com http://www.xink.com 509-243-4100 or 5500

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Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand

new.  The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. Donna

I hate to sound cynical, but….Why would anyone sell new $400-$500 rods for $100.? What’s the story behind these rods????  A cynic would think this is either a scam or they are a little warm to the touch.  Just wondering. Wes

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Wes writes:  "I hate to sound cynical, but….Why would anyone sell new

$400-$500 rods for $100.?  What’s the story behind these rods????  A cynic would think this is either a scam or they are a little warm to the touch.  Just wondering. Wes" Wes, if I recall correctly from a previous post, these rods are the Sage Youth Rods that have been discontinued.  The rod is of Graphite One construction 6 weight.  I bought one for my son from my local fly shop several years ago for $165 and that included the bag, rod case, reel and a cheap line. While these are great beginner rods, they should not be confused with the other Sage rods.  There is a huge difference in power and presentation.   Mike

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These rods are indeed brand new. The are not seconds. These rods are no longer made. They were called "Youth" rods because of their small diamter grips and length. Trust me, they are Sage, marked Sage, the the RPL style flex and design. I believe these rods were originally $200. Ken Please send your inquiries about purchasing these rods to Donna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand new. The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. Donna I hate to sound cynical, but….Why would anyone sell new $400-$500 rods for $100.? What’s the story behind these rods????  A cynic would think this is either a scam or they are a little warm to the touch.  Just wondering. Wes

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Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand new. The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. I hate to sound cynical, but….Why would anyone sell new $400-$500 rods for $100.? What’s the story behind these rods????  A cynic would think this is either a scam or they are a little warm to the touch.  Just wondering.

Good questions – though you don’t have to be a cynic to feel that a 7′9" 6wt must be one heck of a club. IMHO $100 for such a rod (Sage or otherwise) is just about right… /dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE    FOR SALE FOR SALE    FOR SALE Several Sage 7 foot 9 inch, 6 weight 2 piece rods. These rods are brand new. The price includes shipping anywhere in the continental U.S. The rods do not have rod tubes or socks. These are brand new, unused rods. Must sell as soon as possible. The price in only $100, cash, check (held until cleared) or money order. Donna

Hi All, Those are Sage Youth Rods that were discontinued. I think they sold for about $135. They are really a 7′9" #5 rod that Sage labeled as a #6 for kids. At a $100 they would be a great rod for small water dry fly fishing for anyone. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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There is very nice fishing whater in the north of sweden. Lots of red solomon fish there and they are big.

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= There is very nice fishing whater in the north of sweden. Lots of red solomon fish there and they are big.

Hi Peter, There is also some great trout and grayling fishing during the summer on the River Gim at Gimdalen (20 miles outside Bracke). Lars-Ake Olsson is the river keeper. — = Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products http://www.btsflyfishing.com Tiemco quality hooks, under $6.00 pkg/50

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Bill, These sound like questions posed to you by the DEC (or whoever) after you sent them our responses? And thanks for taking this on. The DEC needs to know that people really are concerned about this issue. Regarding the previous thread we have discussed, would you think a one fish limit would adversely effect businesses? Would a catch and release regulation adversely affect busines??

This of course depends on the business. I’m sure places that buy/sell eggs would suffer, as would those who clean and smoke fish. I would suspect that the business to guide and lodge people who already practice CPR (Catch, Photo, Release) would be unchanged, or even see an increase in business. If I had a message to send to the folks in Pulaski, it would be that a nice flyrod costs significantly more than an Ugly Stick. As can be shown all over the world – there is money to be made by catering to people who flyfish. Just because you outlaw snagging or whatever doesn’t mean that the local economy is in ruin. In fact, changing the regs should be viewed as a method to *INCREASE* the cash flow into the area. A shop just might have to switch from cleaning fish and tying spawn sacks to tying flies and selling materials. Big deal. Would you continue to be challanged by this fishery if either regulations went into effect?

Well, duh! <big grin, of course If the challenge was just to bring home a cooler full of fish, then there are better ways of doing that then standing in 33 degree water in a blizzard. OF COURSE I’d still be challenged. These are steelhead for crying out loud. They’re never going to be push-overs no matter how many you can keep. Heck, let’s be radical here. Make the whole d*mned river Catch and Release, artificials only. And stop stocking all those Pacific salmon and maybe the temptation to snag might actually fade a bit. Replace them with Atlantics. If you can get a significant run of sizeable Atlantic Salmon, the money will flow into Pulaski like never before. Or just make up the difference with Lakers, Browns, and Steelhead. Eventually, you might be able to fish the Salmon River without having to defend your reasons why. Wouldn’t that be nice? Well – you *did* ask for opinions, didn’t you? Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Regarding the previous thread we have discussed, would you think a one fish limit would adversely effect businesses? Would a catch and release regulation adversely affect busines?? Would you continue to be challanged by this fishery if either regulations went into effect? Again, thanks for your comments. Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353  ’SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’            ’http://www.salmon-river.com’

I love the Salmon River area.   I won’t come up to fish the public streches in the fall when the slobs are shoulder to shoulder in the river (a friend went up last year, and said that fellow "anglers" would cut his line or burn it through with a cigarette when he couldn’t follow a fish downstream fast enough and it crossed in front of someone else.)  However, another friend tells me that he knows how to take steelhead on dries in October, obviously in the private stretches, and I want to come up and try that. I also plan to come up and fly fish for pike and smallmouth in the lower river in July, when the town is quiet and the fish relatively unmolested.  And I am considering a winter drift-boat trip. Will a one-fish regulation hurt business?  I think yes, at least at first, because a lot of the people who come up are looking for the festival atmosphere and the chance to kill something. Can the lost business be made up?  Perhaps, if quality is emphasized over quantity, and an effort is made to attract the sportsman and actively dissuade the slob.  One-fish limits, FF-only, emphasizing underexploited opportunities with local species like pike can help. But can they overcome the volume you will lose?  I don’t know, and I am pessimistic, as much as I know that I would be eager to come. "Moderation should never be taken to extremes"

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Bill, These sound like questions posed to you by the DEC (or whoever) after you sent them our responses?

Nope, these are my questions regarding a really serious issue here locally. I’m a new president of the local Chamber of Commerce and need to find out what our customers think. You know, those folks who make this economy possible! And thanks for taking this on. The DEC needs to know that people really are concerned about this issue.

No problem, my skin is getting thicker every day. Thanks for the input, it counts. Sincerely, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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Regarding the previous thread we have discussed, would you think a one fish limit would adversely effect businesses? Would a catch and release regulation adversely affect busines?? Would you continue to be challanged by this fishery if either regulations went into effect? Again, thanks for your comments. Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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I’ll be camping in the area of Roscoe, N.Y. next week. Any tips on what’s been working successfully in the local streams? (Since I’ve typically fished in California. I have no knowledge of upstate N.Y. fishing).

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I’ll be camping in the area of Roscoe, N.Y. next week. Any tips on what’s been working successfully in the local streams? (Since I’ve typically fished in California. I have no knowledge of upstate N.Y. fishing).

I’d check with the local fly shops–they’re several in the Roscoe area.   Conditions change rapidly at this time of year, and the the shop owner ought to be knowledable. Good luck, Emil Department of Education Phone:  (607) 255-2267 419 Kennedy Hall                Fax:    (607) 255-7905 Cornell University Ithaca, NY 14853

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I’ll be camping in the area of Roscoe, N.Y. next week. Any tips on what’s been working successfully in the local streams? (Since I’ve typically fished in California. I have no knowledge of upstate N.Y. fishing). I’d check with the local fly shops–they’re several in the Roscoe area.   Conditions change rapidly at this time of year, and the the shop owner ought to be knowledable. Good luck, Emil

Just got back from a weekend in the Roscoe area. The water is very low, but fishable. BUT trout are few and far between. The low water seems to have driven most of the fish out.    Your best bet is to head down to the East Branch. We had good fishing in the special reg area upstream from Fishs Eddy. We saw light cahills, slate drakes (isonychia), sulphurs, tiny blue wing olives, yellow cranefly, and all types of caddis. They are releasing water from the dam, which has the water up about a foot, but it is running clear    The West branch is high and discolored from NY releasing water full bore for the last few months.  People are fishing it, but your better off on the East Branch. Todd R. Seigfried    aluxpo.att.com!trs *  Todd Seigfried’ Custom Flies                                       * *  Custom flies, fly tying instruction, Licensed Delaware River Guide *

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Just got back from a weekend in the Roscoe area. The water is very low, but fishable. BUT trout are few and far between. The low water seems to have driven most of the fish out.

Ahem.  There are plenty of fish in the Beaverkill.  They are just hard to catch.  I was also in the Roscoe area last weekend, fishing the Beaverkill and Willowemoc.  I saw plenty of fish, especially in the riffles and deeper pools.  But they were not feeding on the surface despite good hatches of BWOs and other flies.  Managed a few on nymphs, and it is tough fishing.  But there are plenty of fish in the river.

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Sage blanks? Actually, you could save yourself some grief. Why? Because Sage will locate the location of the spine with removable white markings. I’ve built three SAGE rods and they all came with the spine marked out. The most difficult part is the coating. Try and get the FLEXCOAT package with syringes, cups and mixtures. There are two kinds of FLEXCOAT: one coat (thick) and several coats (thin). I’ve used the one coat and it works ok but for a more consistent finish, I would try the several coat version. Getting a slow rpm motor to turn the rod while applying the FLEXCOAT would help a great deal. If you can’t borrow one from the local flyshop, any BBQ motor will suffice. Not to worry, you’ll make a great rod! p.s. there’s a flyfishing digest on the net you could join.

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I’ve used the one coat Flexcoat building many rods and I like it a lot.  In order to make it a little more workable in  a large finish area, I dilute the finish mix with a small amount of Acetone.  It is very quick to evaporate and leaves me with extra working time in laying a great finish coat on all types of rods. The only pitfall is to make sure that you don’t use too much acetone or your flexcoat will never set up correctly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sage blanks? Actually, you could save yourself some grief. Why? Because Sage will locate the location of the spine with removable white markings. I’ve built three SAGE rods and they all came with the spine marked out. The most difficult part is the coating. Try and get the FLEXCOAT package with syringes, cups and mixtures. There are two kinds of FLEXCOAT: one coat (thick) and several coats (thin). I’ve used the one coat and it works ok but for a more consistent finish, I would try the several coat version. Getting a slow rpm motor to turn the rod while applying the FLEXCOAT would help a great deal. If you can’t borrow one from the local flyshop, any BBQ motor will suffice. Not to worry, you’ll make a great rod! p.s. there’s a flyfishing digest on the net you could join.

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