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http://taggart.glg.msu.edu/gyro/gbee.htm Free Plans Opps, Documentation

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Strongly advise joining the Popular Rotorcraft Association.  Their magazine keeps you current with whats going on in the autogyro business.  Their website is www.pra.org. Stu Fields

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – any DIY websites with info on how to build a gyro copter (newbe)

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any DIY websites with info on how to build a gyro copter (newbe)

I see your email at least is in the UK. You’re going to have to deal with the Populr Flying Association (PFA) which has been delegated the authority to certify experimentals there. The CAA takes only a broad interest. Unlike the US and Canada where you can literally put wings on a fishing boat or a parachure wing on a Honda motorbike and register it if you haven’t done a shoddy job building, the PFA wants to see approved designs. Not sure if the Gyrobee and its relatives are blessed by PFA. You might be left with the choices of using a kit the PFA has already approved, or negotiating the forest of PFA approval on your own. (I have never done this — I’m in the US — so I dunno if it’s easy or hard. You certainly CAN do it because quite a few homebuilt designs originate in Britain, but it seems like there are not as many as from other Western nations). Anyway, the PFA is a good place to start with anything experimental-aviation related in (what I assume to be) your area. Somebody there will be able to definitively answer your questions. cheers -=K=- Rule #1: Don’t hit anything big.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – any DIY websites with info on how to build a gyro copter (newbe) I see your email at least is in the UK. You’re going to have to deal with the Populr Flying Association (PFA) which has been delegated the authority to certify experimentals there. The CAA takes only a broad interest. Unlike the US and Canada where you can literally put wings on a fishing boat or a parachure wing on a Honda motorbike and register it if you haven’t done a shoddy job building, the PFA wants to see approved designs. cheers -=K=- Rule #1: Don’t hit anything big.

   Alfuk,    Another good place to search for info is at the "Fly Gyro! forums":    http://pub23.ezboard.com/btheflygyroforums    There is a UK specific forum there, and plenty of gyroheads to answer all of you questions.    "Gyro"Mike

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any DIY websites with info on how to build a gyro copter (newbe)

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Check Raplh Taggart’s Gyrobee first: http://taggart.glg.msu.edu/gyro/gbee.htm Cheers, Alex http://twistairclub.narod.ru – Light Rotorcraft in Russia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – any DIY websites with info on how to build a gyro copter (newbe)

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Check out this link for paddlefish info: http://fishing.miningco.com/recreation/fishing/cs/paddlefshsturgeon/i… m V.B. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking into doing some paddflishing in the glendive, MT area and wonder if anyone can give some tips.  I have checked the web site that offers ideas about tackle and equipment, just wonder the method of snagging or how one goes about it, Is this done from shore mostly? Does one cast and retrieve ? Depth of water? Time of Day?  Season as in early or late? Things of this nature. Would be much appreciated.  Thank you.  Dave

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Looking into doing some paddflishing in the glendive, MT area and wonder if anyone can give some tips.  I have checked the web site that offers ideas about tackle and equipment, just wonder the method of snagging or how one goes about it, Is this done from shore mostly? Does one cast and retrieve ? Depth of water? Time of Day?  Season as in early or late? Things of this nature. Would be much appreciated.  Thank you.  Dave

I am more familiar with a couple of areas north of Glendive.  Intake is about 35 mile north and the Confluence of the Yellowstone and Missouri is farther yet (N. Dakota fishing license required there). Also near the bridge at Sidney MT.  {If they ever give the state of Montana an enema, Sidney is where they will stick the hose.  Hell, even the birds fly over Sidney upside-down because there isn’t anything there worth shittin on.}  The fishing is done from shore. You cast out so far that you have to call the Tower for Clearance to Launch first, then "whip" your rod back, stop, retrieve the slack and repeat.  Water depth is anywhere from 2 to 15-20 feet.  Time of day doesn’t really matter.  I am not sure on when the legal season starts, but I was in that area during the last week of May last year, and fish were being caught!  I lived in that part of the country during the 80s (drove tanker trucks in the oil patch), and paddlefishing was the first riverside party of the year.  In fact, it always seemed like most of the people that were at Intake, were there more for the party than fishing.  Whatever you do, DO NOT get caught doing anything illegal, including having an un-tagged fish in your possession.  The local Judge is an avid outdoorsman and throws the book at game violations….No, I never had to appear in his court for anything – he is a good friend of mine and I know his attitude. — All fishermen are liars ‘cept you n me, and I’m starting to have doubts about you!

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Looking into doing some paddflishing in the glendive, MT area and wonder if anyone can give some tips.  I have checked the web site that offers ideas about tackle and equipment, just wonder the method of snagging or how one goes about it, Is this done from shore mostly? Does one cast and retrieve ? Depth of water? Time of Day?  Season as in early or late? Things of this nature. Would be much appreciated.  Thank you.  Dave

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I went in midaugust.  Pretty slow.  Lost one fish and two missed strikes in 2.5 days of fishing.  A friend caught 4 fish in 3 days, and a guy who was a bigtime flyfishing bum and former snake river guide had three. check with doaks for latest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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I fished it once for a week in early October. Caught one small fish. My guide told me that his favorite time was the first two weeks of July. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com   Robert,   Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website,   http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm   A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate.   Regards,   Yuji Sakuma     Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New     Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go     this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.     —     Regards,     Robert E. "Bob" Buckley     Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

Friend sof mine are on th eMiramichi this week. You can find up to date information at http://www.salmonanglersonline.com/index.html Enjoy Tom. — Thomas Hackmann "Live simply, so that others may simply live." To reply delete XPLEASENOSPAMX from email address.

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going.: This may be a late reply, but I fish the Little Southwest and Northwest Miramichi rivers every weekend.  They have been OK.  The LSW has generally been better.  The Main Southwest by all accounts is full of fish right now.   The water is low, and with a bit of rain the fishing should be great for the last two weeks. JB

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Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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Robert, Have a look at the angling reports on Doak’s website, http://www.wwdoak.com/open.htm A bit of salemanship in some of the wording, but the reports and pictures very probably accurate. Regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for info on the Atlantic Salmon run on the Miramichi River in New Brunswick this September. How are the fish running ? I was suppose to go this week but a bad back problem prevented me from going. — Regards, Robert E. "Bob" Buckley Norwich Lincoln Mercury

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I’ve used a Discovery 17 regular stern with a motor mount as a fishing "boat" on rivers and small lakes.  A canoe is a great way to get around by paddle.  A motor just doesn’t work all that well, unless you’ve a a fairly wide boat with some kind of keel.  But I’ve done it and would continue to do so, if I couldn’t get my hands on a boat.  And then you’re not talking about a true canoe, anyway. I’d get a carolina skiff or a jonboat for what you want to do.  You’ll be able to stand and move around much more easily.  But if you’re wanting to cartop, then the Sportboat will work.  Just remember that canoes are really for paddling in the 15 to 18 foot size. Best of all, get a river dory, mount a small motor, and you’re set for all kinds of fishing in small lakes and any kind of river.  Great casting platforms.  Great stability.  Can tow with almost any car due to light weight. Mike

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I realy enjoy my guide 147.  I just got an outrigger for additional stability while fishing in lakes.  they work very well and cost about $200, and clamp on, no perminate holes.  One can stand in their canoe with the outrigger…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz

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Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz

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Having just visited the Old Town web site a couple of days ago, your post caught my eye right away. While I can’t give any personal advice directly, you should check out their site if you haven’t already been there.  It’s exceptional, both with respect to lots of information and also, it’s easy to navigate. Their address is:  http://www.otccanoe.com/ They do have a dealer locator option on their menu choices which may come in handy in case you don’t get the sought after responses to your post here. Regards, Trent Roberson —  Rx F Fish — For your good health, Fly Fish     A Datasource about Fly Fishing Topics            http://www.rxffish.com           Discussion & Chat Groups      http://www.studio128.net/rxffish_1            Free Business Listings Fly Fishing related Companies & Organizations      http://rxffish.com/data_input.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz

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Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers.

I own a Discovery 174 (pointy ends) that I like a lot.   It’s quite stable, tracks well, and lightwei…..     Okay, it’s stable & tracks well. Actually, it weighs in at a mere 84 pounds, & I can handle it myself, but it’s a beast to lift overhead.   I fitted it with a removeable motor mount and a 35# thrust electric motor & it moves right along on lakes.   I expect that a square transom would only make it better for that.   I even did some mild whitewater with it once, but that was hell on the cosmetics – I wouldn’t recommend it.   Slow rivers should be no problem. Joe F.

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Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz

I can’t comment on that particular model, but I can tell you my (and my family’s) experience with Old Town has been wonderful,  if about 100 years and at least 3 generations (including a still-used ‘glassed over canvasback) says anything.   As to square sterns, don’t like them.  What we have is a bracket that mounts on the gunwale, and it has handled up to around a 7.5 hp (a 5 or less will do fine, but the dink pusher was handy).  That way, when paddles are in order, you still have a canoe, not a stretched skiff…<G.   That said, if I were buying as a new user (or could only have one) today, I’d at least consider a Grumman (or similar) aluminium – light, manueverable,  you can remove dents with a mallet, and best of all, weldable. Patching ‘glass-type material is a pain, and if you wrap such a boat, it is done. I also went to the site, and Crosslink 3 might be better than ‘glass type materials, but I still think aluminium is the best for a one-boat fleet…<G. HTH? R

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Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz: I have a DS17 square stern that we use with an 8 hp motor for Atlantic salmon fishing on large rivers. It is very stable because it is wide, and quite heavy (118 lb).  We also pole it on fast rivers, and it is a bit of a pig in comparison with narrower canoes, but it’s OK.  It would be fine for paddling or running a trolling motor on slow rivers, ponds and small lakes (<250 acres).  I’d go to a DS15 for this.  It will give the stability without so much weight. JB

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I just moved to San Francisco and am looking for good streams for fly fishing.  Can someone tell me what’s the closest stream(s) to San Francisco city that offers good flyfishing? Thanks in advance Y CHEN —

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I just moved to San Francisco and am looking for good streams for fly fishing.  Can someone tell me what’s the closest stream(s) to San Francisco city that offers good flyfishing? Thanks in advance Y CHEN

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Most of the good trout streams are 150 miles away. — Ernie Harrison Want something to do? Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just moved to San Francisco and am looking for good streams for fly fishing.  Can someone tell me what’s the closest stream(s) to San Francisco city that offers good flyfishing? Thanks in advance Y CHEN —

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Most streams are closed this time of year. If you want to fish now, though, you can try Putah Creek below Lake Berryessa. Because of its proximity to the Bay Area, it can get crowded – especially on weekends. For good northern California fishing reports, check www.fishfirst.com – updated every two weeks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Most of the good trout streams are 150 miles away. — Ernie Harrison Want something to do? Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh I just moved to San Francisco and am looking for good streams for fly fishing.  Can someone tell me what’s the closest stream(s) to San Francisco city that offers good flyfishing? Thanks in advance Y CHEN —

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The best and closest I’ve found so far are Putah Creek and The Lower Yuba both of which are open this time of year.  I went to the Lower Yuba for the first time this past spring and it was a lot of fun. (Watch out for Rattle Snakes and Poison Oak though.  In fact, you should watch out for Poison Oak just about everywhere you fish in Northern CA.)  Good luck. Brian

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I live in Butte, Montana, born and raised here.  Also lived and fished the Sierra Nevada’s near Truckee, CA for about 10 years.  I have degrees in Respiratory Therapy and a graduate degree in Biology.   Been a FF’er since the 70’s.  I very much enjoy still water fishing.  All those lakes near Truckee had a lasting effect.  Milton Reservoir remains one of my favorite places to fish.   I have read this group for the last couple of years and had kind of dropped it due to all the flames and off subject stuff.  I returned a few weeks ago and was surprised to see the lack of venom.  Personally, I enjoy  a fishing group that talks about fishing.   I am curious, what happened? Joe  

Howdy Joe, What happened? Well hell, as someone else put it, we all set down on the front porch and started drinkin’ and bs’n and it turns out we ain’t all so bad, different (‘ceptin wayno and i are johnny rebs) or f&*!ed-up as we originally thought. However, I wouldn’t hold my breath too long if I was you. I see storm clouds a buildin’ out west in the Rockies and up north Canady way. Tight lines, Wataugan Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… I live in Butte, Montana, born and raised here.  Also lived and fished the Sierra Nevada’s near Truckee, CA for about 10 years.  I have degrees in Respiratory Therapy and a graduate degree in Biology.   Been a FF’er since the 70’s.  I very much enjoy still water fishing.  All those lakes near Truckee had a lasting effect.  Milton Reservoir remains one of my favorite places to fish. I have read this group for the last couple of years and had kind of dropped it due to all the flames and off subject stuff.  I returned a few weeks ago and was surprised to see the lack of venom.  Personally, I enjoy  a fishing group that talks about fishing. I am curious, what happened? Joe Howdy Joe, What happened? Well hell, as someone else put it, we all set down on the front porch and started drinkin’ and bs’n and it turns out we ain’t all so bad, different (‘ceptin wayno and i are johnny rebs) or f&*!ed-up as we originally thought. However, I wouldn’t hold my breath too long if I was you. I see storm clouds a buildin’ out west in the Rockies and up north Canady way. Tight lines, Wataugan Walt

    Rebels? In NORTH Carolina ? I was under the impression that everybody north of Jacksonville was a yankee. (that auta kick up some dust). Guess next time I see ya I’ll havta check if yer smoken backwoods en gulpin burbon en branch water ( I prefer southern comfort).                                                      John Popp                                                 pertnear south as ya get                                                   in Sanford Fl.

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Freud would have had a field day with this one.  I’ve heard about having an Oedipus complex, but I’ve never heard of suffering from the Rex. Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle. I am a 6 year old miniature french poodle (white, female) owned by some very nice people in Canada.   I am very pampered and a very, very lucky little dog.  I have a beautiful studded collar that my owner, an elderly couple, got me for Christmas last year (human year).  I am well fed and groomed. Like I said, I am very lucky. Except for sometimes. That sometimes is when Uncle Jim comes by and is left alone with me or takes me to the poodle boutique.  He is a very mean man.  In the interest of good taste and politeness (I am french, after all) I will not elaborate on the details of his acts.   Once, though, he left me in the car on the hottest day of the year while he went in to some place that looked like a big doghouse and had sillohouettes of nude human females painted black on the outside.   Of course, I can’t speak and my owner never knows what he does. The best I can do is bark and try to bite him. — Fifi

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Which just goes to show you…never underestimate an ass. Jon "Fishing’s the last thing on my mind" Cook.

– Shoot far’ Jon, I’ve seen asses that couldn’t be *overestimated*! (-: Frank Church Elkhart, IN Over the hill?    What hill?    I didn’t see no hill….(!)

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Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle. I am a 6 year old miniature french poodle (white, female) owned by some very nice people in Canada.   I am very pampered and a very, very lucky little dog.  I have a beautiful studded collar that my owner, an elderly couple, got me for Christmas last year (human year).  I am well fed and groomed. Like I said, I am very lucky. Except for sometimes. That sometimes is when Uncle Jim comes by and is left alone with me or takes me to the poodle boutique.  He is a very mean man.  In the interest of good taste and politeness (I am french, after all) I will not elaborate on the details of his acts.   Once, though, he left me in the car on the hottest day of the year while he went in to some place that looked like a big doghouse and had sillohouettes of nude human females painted black on the outside.   Of course, I can’t speak and my owner never knows what he does. The best I can do is bark and try to bite him. — Fifi

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Ok…here’s mine.  Sorry to bore you, in advance. I am Fifi, the standard internet test poodle.

Bloody hell ! Reincarnation yet, thought you got burned to death in a pain threshold experiment.  Welcome back to ROFF. You will doubtless be pleased to here that one of the current discussions is Catfishing, and whether to release the beasts or not. This may at least give you some vicarious pleasure, and compensate you somewhat for the dastardly acts imposed on your good self by Uncle Jim. Seems there are a couple of people on here, very similar to Uncle Jim,  who have problems with cats actually, or maybe just the houses the cats live in ?  Whatever, glad to see you alive and barking. Fifi long thought to be dead, has again raised her elegant head, like a phoenix she rose, ( an unnatural pose ! ), and she still looks well groomed and  well fed. Pampered and polished she is, and goes once a week for a frizz, to the poodle boutique, with her uncle the freak, but no reason to get in a tizz ! The tests have now been postponed, cause Fifi was obviously stoned, you dont feel pain, when youre full of cocaine, and the lexus would have to be loaned. In the future we

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Hi gang: Since moving to Oregon I have been doing alot more fly fishing and I began to see the advantages of a drift boat or the like.  However Drift boats take up alot of space and require a trailer and cost$$$.  I have always enjoyed rafting and surf kyaking so it seemed logical to look at canoes.  What I need is something that can handle the equipment for fishing and camping for a few days and the ability to handle upto class III rapids. Am I dreaming?  Do any of you folks fish from a canoe and have some suggestions on what to look for.  I am willing to give up some initial stability for whitewater capability as most of the rivers I fish have at least a couple of class III and IV rapids. Thanx in advance! charles.

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Hey If you find one let me know..I love fishing bones in a canoe..use an electric troller… and I’m due for a new one.

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Canoes are great watercraft, but not the best fishing craft on streams.  I have a Mad River Explorer which I love, but it is quite difficult for a single person, i.e. stern paddler to manage the canoe in fast water and at the same time place the fisherman in the bow in optimal position to fish holding water.  This is particularly true if the canoe is loaded down with camping gear.  If fishing is you primary use, I would recommend a raft with rowing frame.  It takes up less space than a canoe or driftboat and you could probably pick up one at an end-of-season sale for little more than you’d spend for a canoe capable of negotiating whitewater safely.  On the other hand, if you mostly want to float and *stop* to fish likely areas, the canoe is faster and more fun.  Hope this helps.  One thing to remember is that you won’t stop at Class III if you’re like most of us.   Longspeer

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I fish from canoes quite a bit but in somewhat different waters (ozark streams). My  experience is  that flyfishing while solo paddling required a canoe with good tracking otherwise one ends up having to correct my course during almost every cast. However note that  to run class III rapids you will probably want a play boat with plenty of rocker unless you are exceptionally good on a canoe. I have no solution for this opposing requirements. For what is worth, I use a Mad River Malacite. RioSimpson.

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I used to have an Old Town Katahdin that I could stand in easily.  It has a 41" beam and is a good buy for the money!

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writes: Canoes are great watercraft, but not the best fishing craft on

streams.  I……Longspeer   I Have to Agree that a canoe of any type would be less than ideal for fishing in most faster water.  Rafts are much more stable and forgiving when your attention is on that HUGE trout you have on.  We used to count on going swimming if we took a canoe, and we were on pretty tame waters.  I usually fish from a drift boat, but have fished from rafts and, if set up right, they are great! Steve May

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Check out Aquaterra’s kayaks: Keowee, Keowee II and Gemini or Jocasse. I’ve had a Gemini, a two person 16′ kayak with a single 6′ opening, for six years or so. The big advantage over a canoe is that it’s less influenced by wind. It’s very stable and has a comfortable seating position. Downside: a little on the heavy side 65# and not very practical to carry overhead like a canoe but you can drag it just about over any type of terrain without worrying about damage. Glenn Lemke Manchester, VT

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I agre with Glenn on the advantage of a Sea Kayak over a canoe.  I have an Aquaterra Chinook, BUT–if you ever hook into the bow portion, and I’ve done it with a clumsey cast, you’re screwed!  For all around use in flatwater of 50acres or less–the float tube is probably the way to go.

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Charles: I’ve done considerable fishing from my Mad River "Courier" and it would be an excellent boat for what you want. It was designed to be an extended wilderness tripping boat. It is tough and handles rapids very well and has a semi-v bottom characteristic of Mad River canoes. The construction is of Royalex (or Mad River’s equivalent) so it will take a beating and keep on ticking. I use mine for camping, fishing and just tooting around. I would definitely buy another. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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I am the one that suggested a Mad Rive Courier canoe. I forgot to add that this is a solo canoe. Buy yourself one of those cheap short paddles about 24" long to correct your drift with. It is a lot easier than reaching for a long heavy paddle. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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Before I begin this trip report I would like to thank the following folks who provided much useful information via e-mail that helped me to plan Jeff Bryson, Nic Lyons, Lyle Nichols, Kief Hillsbery, Tim Medley, Ed Zalta, Keith Price.  I would also like to thank the park rangers, but I can’t, because what little information they provided was either badly out of date or just plain wrong.   Day 1:  Arrival Loaded the VW in a cold drizzle in San Francisco.  Fortunately, this was the most weather we would see the entire trip.  Arrived at South Lake at 4:30 pm and stashed the bike.  Got to North Lake trailhead parking at 5:00. Had shocking realization that I had left all coffee apparattus at home.   Searched the car and came up with one cotton sock, slightly used.  It would have to do.  Hit trail and hiked for 1 hour to Lower Lamarck Lake.  Made camp in a luxurious site on the east shore.  From campsite we thought we could see Lamarck Col, our next day’s destination.  Fortunately, we were way wrong as we were looking up at the very steep snow field on the north face of Mt. Lamarck.  Went to sleep beneath billions and billions of stars.  (Who needs a tent in the Sierra?)  Everything went fine until the brightest goddamned moon I have ever seen came out and rioted around the lake.  Maybe a tent would have been a good idea after all. Finally fashioned eye shades and nodded off. to be continued… -Matt Spitzer

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Day 2 (Monday, September 6):  Darwin Canyon via Lamarck Col Awoke very early to get morning reflection shots of Mt. Lamarck on the lake. Then I made my first attempt to make coffee using my sock/drip maker.  It wasn’t very successful, as the sock tended to soak up all the boiling water and scald my fingers.  Off to a fine Alpine start (10:00 am) we headed up the trail to the upper Lamarck Lake and then  took the made, but unmarked trail up to the Col.  About 4 miles (I’m guessing) and 2,000 ft later we arrived at the foot of the Col, a little winded (yeah, right).  We hadn’t known what to expect, so we had brought along ice axes.  As it turned out, the snowfield on the Col was so rutted out by people’s foot tracks that there was a waist high wall on the downhill side to prevent us from falling.  At the top (12,900) we had great views of the Piute Crags and the lovely town of Bishop to the North and Glacier encrusted Darwin Peak and the gorgeous (literally) Darwin Canyon to the South and West.  After a brief break Minio shot head first down the slope into Darwin Canyon.  I followed behind, enjoying an occaisional plunge step in some loose stuff.  We arrived at the highest lake and then it was a simple walk, much of it over boulders ranging in size from a tv sets to VW buses, down to the lowest lake where we made camp, exhausted. Fishing in the lake was poor for golden trout to 8", but scenery was excellent. Scenery became even more intese at sunset when alpenglow lit the back wall of the canyon and everything glowed orange.  That night many billions of stars, some shooting, and several sattelites came out to play, until the friggin’ moon came out and drove them off. Day 3:  Darwin Canyon to Evolution Basin This morning I devised an improvement to the coffee maker.  I propped open the end of the sock with two crossed twigs and suspended the whole thing from a string tied to the twigs.  Using my new Hane’s drip maker I was (theoretically) able to make my morning cup of Guatemalan love juice without losing any layers of skin from the fingers.  However, the water goes through the sock much too quickly, resulting in an underextracted brew.  This was remedied by soaking sock in cup like a tea bag, but final squeeze scalds fingers again.  Packed up camp and countoured through Darwin Bench and around west slope of ridge extending from Darwin Peak.  From this slope we get excellent panoramic vista stretching from Evolution Valley to Evolution Basin including many snow packed peaks.  Minio and I reach consensus that Evolution Valley has been much over-hyped, as it is a rather unimpressive low stretch of bear country, lined by rather unimpressive walls. Evolution Basin, and the peaks to the south and east, by contrast, is glorious.  The slope we are traversing is itself a thing of beauty, covered with blooms of columbine, shooting star and numerous other flowers including some kind of onion-thing.  Eventually we work our way down toward Evolution Lake, but come to an impass where we have to do a little free climbing (50 ft of 5.4 at most) and then we are home free.  On our way to the lake we observe that if we had just gone up once more we could have waltzed down to our present position without any climbing at all.  By the shores of the stunningly beautiful Evolution Lake we join the John Muir trail and soon come across a trail crew, busily filling in the old trail and planting shrubs along its course. The new trail they have built for us is a work of art, a veritable super highway through the High Sierra. After a brief foot-soaking break by the lake’s edge we are off.  Leaving the lake we hike beside a small cascading stream up to Saphire Lake where we make camp.  In faithful observance of Labor Day Minio breaks out his copy of International Trotskyist and begins reading.  I head back down the stream that connects the two lakes and begin fishing at 4 pm.  By 6:30 I have fished my way back to our campsite in failing light, having caught and released 72 golden trout ranging from embarrasingly small to 10 inches on dry flies. A note about small goldens:  they are incredibly stupid.  About the only thing I could do to disuade them from hitting was to badly drag the fly against the current.  They never seemed to mind the fact that I fished right through a hatch of small brown mayflies with a #10 Cream Wulff.  That evening we slept out of the fairly stiff wind in a rock shelter that Minio built by the North shore of the Lake while I fished.  The whiskey bottle is already getting dangerously empty. to be continued… -Matt Spitzer

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This group is so full of guys with boats and sonar. Has anybody thought of creating a new group rec.outdoors.guy.boat.sonar? Seriously, aren’t there any flyfishers out there?  Has the world gone completely to sonar … -john

Just a few weeks ago the complaint was ‘are there only flyfishers here?’ or did you know that Its starting to warm up here- may hit 70F soon. flyfishers are starting to crawlout of hibernation (read tying den)– stoneflies are hatching– ITS TIME! BTW, I always use a fishfinder when I go flyfishing— polaroids + hares’ ear nymph in case the water is a little turbid or the pool is too deep to see in. mike

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I don’t know how everybody else felt about the two a day fillet knife postings, but I really don’t like reading ads, so after I asked the guy to stop twice, and he didn’t, I complained to Berkeley and they inactivated his account. I hope he didn’t have any important projects due 8-). Usenet is not for commercial posting. University equipment is generally not for commercial posting. Now, back to your regularly scheduled fishing news. This group is so full of guys with boats and sonar. Has anybody thought of creating a new group rec.outdoors.guy.boat.sonar? Seriously, aren’t there any flyfishers out there?  Has the world gone completely to sonar driving thick thumbed baitcasting bass and tuna fishers? Well, I guess the guys with boats and sonar pretty much don’t have anything to do all winter until iceout. We flyfishers just tie and post and tie and post. The weather sucks here too. -john — John Danskin                    | (609) 258-5386                  | Gradual student (609) 258-1771 fax              | Graphics systems

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t know how everybody else felt about the two a day fillet knife postings, but I really don’t like reading ads, so after I asked the guy to stop twice, and he didn’t, I complained to Berkeley and they inactivated his account. I hope he didn’t have any important projects due 8-). Usenet is not for commercial posting. University equipment is generally not for commercial posting. Now, back to your regularly scheduled fishing news. This group is so full of guys with boats and sonar. Has anybody thought of creating a new group rec.outdoors.guy.boat.sonar? Seriously, aren’t there any flyfishers out there?  Has the world gone completely to sonar driving thick thumbed baitcasting bass and tuna fishers? Well, I guess the guys with boats and sonar pretty much don’t have anything to do all winter until iceout. We flyfishers just tie and post and tie and post.

        John,         Are you quite done giving your self-righteous decree of what should be posted in this group? My belief is that this group is for any subject-matter related to fishing. Fillet knives are definitely a part of fishing! How was this any different from the posts you see where some person either has a trolling motor for sale or is looking to buy one?! Who died and made you God?!         Larry

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  I am planning to go up to Norfolk(?) lake in N. Arkansas (east of Bull Shoals lake) on the last week of April. Any hints on what to expect up there? The lady told me everything will be biting, crappie, bass, striper, sandies, everything. Are there `bows up there? I will be renting a decent bassboat so I will be mobile. I wanted to see what ya’ll say, so I will not be unprepared when I go. I have the standard bass gear, plus UL, spinning gear, and my flyrod. The little woman will be with me, so at least one person will outfish me d8^)!                                           thanks,                                                    Daty

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t know how everybody else felt about the two a day fillet knife postings, but I really don’t like reading ads, so after I asked the guy to stop twice, and he didn’t, I complained to Berkeley and they inactivated his account. I hope he didn’t have any important projects due 8-). Usenet is not for commercial posting. University equipment is generally not for commercial posting. Now, back to your regularly scheduled fishing news. This group is so full of guys with boats and sonar. Has anybody thought of creating a new group rec.outdoors.guy.boat.sonar? Seriously, aren’t there any flyfishers out there?  Has the world gone completely to sonar driving thick thumbed baitcasting bass and tuna fishers? Well, I guess the guys with boats and sonar pretty much don’t have anything to do all winter until iceout. We flyfishers just tie and post and tie and post. The weather sucks here too. -john — John Danskin                        | (609) 258-5386                      | Gradual student (609) 258-1771 fax              | Graphics systems

Actually, many of us bass fishers do so because it is the only game in town.  I was an avid fly fisher until I was forced to live in San Antonio (yes, I know there are stocked trout near here, but it is hard to elbow your way in between all the corn fishers).  I have fly fished for bass (and tied my own bugs).  But are bass fishers and their depthfinders really that different from trout fishers and their 300+ dollar fly rods? If you want to be a gadgeteer, you can do it anywhere. Just a thought Noel Montgomery p.s.:  There is no ice out in SA TX, we catch fish year round.

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|  My belief is that this group is for any | subject-matter related to fishing. Fillet knives are definitely a part of | fishing! How was this any different from the posts you see where some person | either has a trolling motor for sale or is looking to buy one?! Who died and | made you God?! |   Larry Actually Larry, there is quite a bit of difference between a person who wants to get rid of his personal trolling motor (or wants to buy a used one) and a guy who is running a business for profit and is advertising on the net.  On the other hand, if something offends me, I just don’t read it.  BTW everyone it is REALLY Spring in the Southland,  I fished Fri,Sat,Sun and got a pretty good sunburn through some SPF-25 lotion!                         -Pat. p.s. nobody had to die, I’ve always been God.   p.p.s.  I haven’t gotten many replies, anyone have a used light saltwater         conventional reel for sale?  (noncommercial responses         only please :}  ).

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