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Wolfgang Siebeneich schrieb: I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and lose you. Seconds? Seconded ! ( average sixty to the minute ! ).
I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and Wayno too !! — Ken Fortenberry
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Moreover, Wayne amuses me and a lot of others on this NG. You don’t. Chris W. doesn’t. Mr. Nardini doesn’t. I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and lose you. Seconds?
Seconded ! ( average sixty to the minute ! ). TL MC
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I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and Wayno too !!
Uh oh! Did I get it wrong? Wait, let me think a gentleman?
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Moreover, Wayne amuses me and a lot of others on this NG. You don’t. Chris W. doesn’t. Mr. Nardini doesn’t. I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and lose you. Seconds?
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Uh oh! Did I get it wrong? Wait, let me think a gentleman?
Yes, my name is E. Gaduair, but I prefer that you not refer to me as EGAD!! And could someone tell me just what the Germans have done to piss-off you folks. Opie in NC
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Uh oh! Did I get it wrong? Wait, let me think a gentleman? Yes, my name is E. Gaduair, but I prefer that you not refer to me as EGAD!! And could someone tell me just what the Germans have done to piss-off you folks. Opie in NC
Tut mir ausserordentlich leid, aber ich habe kein Wort verstanden. TL MC
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It’s all very clear to me now! NC Opie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tut mir ausserordentlich leid, aber ich habe kein Wort verstanden. TL MC
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Another person completely at a loss on the concept of News Groups. Wayno, numbnuts, these are not porno news groups and porno, or any other non-germaine posts, don’t belong here. You childish remarks prove your ignorance. Perhaps you need to take remedial Internet training as you are still way-fuzzy on the concept.
News Groups. Public fora, are they not? Seems to suggest that ANYONE is free to post. Even some dumbass peddling his porn. Everyone else, on the other hand, is free to whip his naked ass back where he came from or simply ignore him. Or ignore Mr. Harrison for that matter. Or you. Or me. So, what’s germane? Ignore everything that’s not strictly about fly fishing on this NG and you don’t have a great deal left to read. Are your insults germane? Why are they more germane than Mr. Harrison’s? Wayne has posted a great deal of welcome information on these pages. Has Chris W.? Has Mr. Nardini? Have you, Bobby? Moreover, Wayne amuses me and a lot of others on this NG. You don’t. Chris W. doesn’t. Mr. Nardini doesn’t. I vote we keep the gentleman from North Carolina and lose you. Seconds?
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[deleted] Another person completely at a loss on the concept of News Groups. Wayno, numbnuts, these are not porno news groups and porno, or any other non-germaine posts, don’t belong here. You childish remarks prove your ignorance. Perhaps you need to take remedial Internet training as you are still way-fuzzy on the concept.
You mean like your (and mine) crossposted double-drivel ? Thanks for the NG lesson Robert ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"
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wayno "the professor" relates: <<finally, let me close with a few more childish remarks: bite me, robbie baby; and, for good measure, "na na nah na na naahh". you are now free to continue your graduate level studies in anal retentiveness. roflmao. what a way to start out the day! hey, why am i typing all in lower case? louie
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Here is the individual responsible for this spam- this same person spams this group weekly with various pornography and is a notorious spammer in many other newsgroups. (I tracked the phone number to his websites- then researched the owner of those sites): His name is Jerry Nardini. Here are his most recent addresses and phone numbers:
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is the individual responsible for this spam- this same person spams this group weekly with various pornography and is a notorious spammer in many other newsgroups. (I tracked the phone number to his websites- then researched the owner of those sites): His name is Jerry Nardini. Here are his most recent addresses and phone numbers: gosh, chris, thanks for insulating me from evil. now, do you think you could use this info to get jerry to drop the charges to a half a buck per minute? roff is darwinian, chris, baby. he won’t survive. can you dig it? wayno
Another person completely at a loss on the concept of News Groups. Wayno, numbnuts, these are not porno news groups and porno, or any other non-germaine posts, don’t belong here. You childish remarks prove your ignorance. Perhaps you need to take remedial Internet training as you are still way-fuzzy on the concept.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – gosh, chris, thanks for insulating me from evil. now, do you think you could use this info to get jerry to drop the charges to a half a buck per minute? roff is darwinian, chris, baby. he won’t survive. can you dig it? wayno Another person completely at a loss on the concept of News Groups. Wayno, numbnuts, these are not porno news groups and porno, or any other non-germaine posts, don’t belong here. You childish remarks prove your ignorance. Perhaps you need to take remedial Internet training as you are still way-fuzzy on the concept.
what you need is a good cyber ass whipping, which i will happily provide. you also need some help with your grammar and spelling. finally, let me close with a few more childish remarks: bite me, robbie baby; and, for good measure, "na na nah na na naahh". you are now free to continue your graduate level studies in anal retentiveness. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Taxonomy of salmon is still messy, but the general agreement is as follows: Oncorhynchus: Pacific salmon = chum, chinook, pink, coho, sockey(kokanee), and masu (Asia). Trout = rainbow (steelhead), cutthroat, golden. Masu salmon (cherry salmon, or yamame) is placed into between North America Pacific salmon and trout in phylogeny.
Do you happen to know the specific name of the cherry salmon, Naohisa? Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout. NK Where do grayling fit in? Mike
They belong to the same family as salmon and chars, but the genus name is Thymallus for NA fish. I don’t know anything about he European grayling. Another question: Does anyone happen to know what an inconnu is? Dave
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Thanks Kat, I realized shortly after making that quick post I was in error. Same family, wrong genus! -Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where do grayling fit in? Char! -burton No, grayling are grayling (genus Thymallus), not char (genus Salvelinus). However, both grayling and char are members of the family Salmonidae. and the inconnu is a big, mean whitefish (Stenodus leucicthys). Do check backwards in your threading if you can, because George Gehrke posted rather a motherlode of info about the inconnu. — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html
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Where do grayling fit in? Char! -burton
No, grayling are grayling (genus Thymallus), not char (genus Salvelinus). However, both grayling and char are members of the family Salmonidae. and the inconnu is a big, mean whitefish (Stenodus leucicthys). Do check backwards in your threading if you can, because George Gehrke posted rather a motherlode of info about the inconnu. — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html
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The inconnu is NOT a minnow. — Gary
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: The inconnu is NOT a minnow. This is indeed true. The inconnu (known as "shee" in much of Alaska, and "coney" in some areas) is a whitefish, and hence a salmonid. They do grow much larger than other whitefish species – a probable upper limit is around 80 lbs – and forage fish make up the major part of their diet. Their jaws are not underslung – in fact, the mouth does resemble that of a tarpon. It’s pretty safe to say that an inconnu bears as much resemblance to other *whitefish* as a tarpon bears to other *herring*. They are found throughout the far north, particularly in the Yukon and Mackenzie drainages. The fish spend some part of their lives in salt water, though what portion is unclear for some watersheds. I have seen native fishermen unloading netted inconnu at Ft. Resolution, NWT, which is at the mouth of the Slave River. This is about 1250 miles from salt water, so it is possible that these fish spend much, perhaps even all, of their time in Great Slave Lake. On the other hand, a fish caught well down in the Mackenzie Delta, or in some coastal river in Alaska, is probably in and out of the saltwater on a week by week basis. As with all northern fish, growth is slow and the fish live a long time. In Great Slave Lake, for example, it takes 7-10 years to produce a spawning sized lake trout (17-20 inches, 2-3 lbs) and the very large fish are figured at 1 – 1.5 years per pound. Fish having access to saltwater, including lake trout, arctic char, and (presumably) inconnu, will grow considerably faster. George’s projection that a 50# inconnu might be 150 years old is stretching it a bit, but 30-40 is indeed possible. Great care must therefore be taken when deciding to keep *any* northern fish – you can do a lot of damage in a short time. 3798 Woodland Drive voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC data: (250) 368-9341
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [some deleted just for the hell of it...] T-bone…. in a taxonomic class all his own. "Giganticus Dicki Brainius Coloradoensis" You got the order family ralph, but messed up on the genus and species. TimW Oh get your hand out of your pants!
You tellin’ me I can’t fly fish at work ? TimW
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Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout. Where do grayling fit in?
Char! -burton
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Where do grayling fit in?
Same family as (gasp!) mountain whitefish Charlie Quinton
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [some deleted just for the hell of it...] T-bone…. in a taxonomic class all his own. "Giganticus Dicki Brainius Coloradoensis" You got the order family ralph, but messed up on the genus and species. TimW Oh get your hand out of your pants! You tellin’ me I can’t fly fish at work ? TimW
Well if it gives you a thrill… but be carefull some lithe young thing doesn’t come by to catch and kill your trouser trout!
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Philip Jones of the U.K. asks if we have grayling over here. Yes, but our Arctic grayling (Thymallus arctics) is not the same as the European grayling (T. thymallus). They’re pretty much alike, except that our grayling has a larger, and often more colorful dorsal fin, and those I’ve caught have been generally smaller than the ones I’ve caught in Europe, especially in Sweden, Croatia, and Slovenia. Mike Uetz’s buddies must be fishing in the vicinity of Churchill, Manitoba, because that’s about the only place you should find both grayling and searun brook trout (char). Grayling waters are all west of Hudson Bay. In the U.S., Canada has scads of ‘em, but in the Lower 48 we have only a relict population in western Montana. Michigan used to have them (and even has a town named Grayling), but they were extirpated by habitat destruction, pollution, and possibly overfishing. My Montana grayling aficionados fish for them with size 28 Trico patterns, but in Alaska, they’ll attack almost anything, even the big spoons and Mepps spinners favored by salmon, pike, and muskie fishermen. In Europe, I have found that grayling will take a wide variety of flies, from Red Tags to hairwing salmon flies. An odd thing: From time to time, especially in Sweden, I’ve had European grayling strike and miss repeatedly. At other times, they are as likely as Arctic grayling to nail a flie on the first strike. In Croatia and Slovenia, I found them to be extremely picky at times in Slovenia and very, very choosy in Croatia. — Gary Soucie / Writer / Editor / Editorial Consultant Traveling With Fly Rod and Reel * Home Waters: A Fly-Fishing Anthology * Soucie’s Field Guide of Fishing Facts * Hook, Line, and Sinker: The Complete Angler’s Guide to Terminal Tackle
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Do you have grayling in N America? They are just now coming into their own in the UK – along with the first frosts. They are a very welcome Winter attraction whilst the salmon and trout spawn. It is said that the grayling, Thymallus Thymallus, smells of thyme and acquired the name because of this. I have never been able to detect the smell of thyme. Cucumber, possibly. They are lovely fish! Sometimes easy to catch, sometimes impossible – amazing how they always select the Red Tag from a cast of three flies! — Phil Jones
We have them but you pretty much need to go to the borreal forest area (aka a long way from where I live) to get at them. Most guys I know have fished for them on fly in trips as a change of pace from lake trout or northern sea run brook trout. Mike
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Where do grayling fit in?
They are Thymallus which is a different genus from above ones. In fact, they are in different sub-family, Thymallinae. Salmon, trout, and char are in sub-family Salmoninae. Family Salmonidae has three subfamily, Salmoninae, Thymallinae, and Coregoninae (whitefishes). NK
Do you have grayling in N America? They are just now coming into their own in the UK – along with the first frosts. They are a very welcome Winter attraction whilst the salmon and trout spawn. It is said that the grayling, Thymallus Thymallus, smells of thyme and acquired the name because of this. I have never been able to detect the smell of thyme. Cucumber, possibly. They are lovely fish! Sometimes easy to catch, sometimes impossible – amazing how they always select the Red Tag from a cast of three flies! — Phil Jones
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Taxonomy of salmon is still messy, but the general agreement is as follows: Oncorhynchus: Pacific salmon = chum, chinook, pink, coho, sockey(kokanee), and masu (Asia). Trout = rainbow (steelhead), cutthroat, golden. Masu salmon (cherry salmon, or yamame) is placed into between North America Pacific salmon and trout in phylogeny. Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout. NK
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Taxonomy of salmon is still messy, but the general agreement is as follows: Oncorhynchus: Pacific salmon = chum, chinook, pink, coho, sockey(kokanee), and masu (Asia). Trout = rainbow (steelhead), cutthroat, golden. Masu salmon (cherry salmon, or yamame) is placed into between North America Pacific salmon and trout in phylogeny. Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout.
Cunnilingus humongous: Trouser Trout, Pants Python, Levi Lizard TimW
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[some deleted just for the hell of it...] T-bone…. in a taxonomic class all his own. "Giganticus Dicki Brainius Coloradoensis" You got the order family ralph, but messed up on the genus and species. TimW
Oh get your hand out of your pants!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Taxonomy of salmon is still messy, but the general agreement is as follows: Oncorhynchus: Pacific salmon = chum, chinook, pink, coho, sockey(kokanee), and masu (Asia). Trout = rainbow (steelhead), cutthroat, golden. Masu salmon (cherry salmon, or yamame) is placed into between North America Pacific salmon and trout in phylogeny. Do you happen to know the specific name of the cherry salmon, Naohisa? Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout. NK Where do grayling fit in? Mike They belong to the same family as salmon and chars, but the genus name is Thymallus for NA fish. I don’t know anything about he European grayling. Another question: Does anyone happen to know what an inconnu is? Dave
No – don’t know about inconnu (in fact, isn’t that what inconnu means – unknown?) but I know about S Salar, S Trutta and T Thymallus in the UK. Each of them is great. Would you like me to tell you about them? — Phil Jones Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another question: Does anyone happen to know what an inconnu is? The inconnu, Stenodus leucichthys, is a large, predatory whitefish which lives in the Far North. It has a basic salmonlike shape, with large scales, a deeply forked tail, and a large head with a very large mouth. It migrates into rivers in June and July and spawns in the fall. It ages slowly and can weigh over 50 lbs. It is the only predatory member of the whitefish tribe found in North America. Its common name is French for "unknown". — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html
Tarpon of the North" It spends most of its feeding year in the brackish waters of bays where fresh water and salt flats mix. The Inconnu is by far, one of the largest minnow species known to man. Its mating cycle is not only buried in mystery, until recently as fifteen years ago when an expedition I was on made a major study of them. Basically, it goes like this. The big females come up river such as the Kobuck River just above the Artic Circle where I fished for them with Jim Teeney, in early fall. The moon phase has to be just right. The tidal cycle has to be just right, the temperatures have to be just right, the river sandy bottom has to be just right, and many things we yet don’t know . . . has to be just right for spawning to take place. Just finding these ‘Fish of Mystery’ was the hardest thing as they slip into long ridges of sand that run with the river but cross-wise, look like the letter ‘m’ in which at the top of the ‘m’ these fish lay in long rows in the sand valleys. They simply, wait. For weeks, they will wait and when the magnetic fields, the moon, the temperature, including all the wizardry that mother nature can throw at you . . . the females, burgering with roe/eggs that are rich, very small, and white hinging on white/yellow they come to the surface . . . as if trying to swim to the moon. The females backs will come to the surface and they will start releasing eggs. Millions of them and along with them the males eject sperm in copious amounts to mix with the now drifting eggs. The timing has to be absolutely perfect. Now fertilized, these eggs . . . which are very sticky, start to sink down and along these long trenches of sand and they settle to the bottom. But that isn’t the final act. The little eggs start to roll along the sand and it sticks to the eggs and sure enough, they become camoflauged and other preditory fish cannot find them anymore because these very small eggs have no smell, they become invisable, and they become somewhat buried in the sand trenches. Life, begins to take form. It is soon enough, left alone to fend for themselves for the Tarpon of the North leave the young behind to return to the call of the salt that is in their blood. They race for the sea! Never to return again until next fall. The food fair of the Inconnu is probably the finest of all fish that God ever put in water. It is twice as good as walleye and the roe makes White Sturgeon Roe seem ridiculas as table fair. Inconnu is by far the richest, most tastefully wonderful roe in the world. You literally slice it like you would cross-ways a loin. You fry it in butter, a touch of garlic if you like and a sprinkle of parsley and lace with a smile of fine pepper and sea-salt. You may wish to try frying in a skillet braized with a slice of bacon. No more is needed, if anything. Your mind, will literally scream in estacy. The Shee Fish (another name for this wonderful game fish in which I set the IGFA first world record) grows slowly. Its age at fifty pounds is well over a hundred and fifty years old. It would be nothing for a ten pounder to be thirty five years old . . . and as table fare, against age, killing a Shee Fish is really a rather mindless thing to do these days as more and more anglers discover them. It would take a real man to realease a large Shee Fish. In those days, we had to keep a rare damaged fish because there where those in the party that used treble hooks (guides) who were not all fly fishermen and the Indians up around the Kobuck River don’t give a damned about anything except government dollars and if it moves, kill it or feed it to the dogs. There is no shame in Alaska . . . yet. The Shee-Fish will give you exactly three excellent jumps that are as Tarpon-like as you could hope for and five jumps is somewhat rare but possible. It is an exciting fish to hunt and is not a fish for every body to enjoy. Gut-em and Eat-em is possible just once on a little one as they will average five or six pounds. But without exception, and Inconnu that exceeds ten pounds should be released. I hope this helps in your interest in one of the greatest mysteries of the late 20th Century, until the last dozen or so years. If you go in pursuit of the Inconnu . . . go with a kind and understanding heart. You will catch fish as old as yourself, most likely and certainly older than your children. Life, at this pace is not food for life. Mr. G.
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Cherry salmon = Oncorhynchus masu (in older taxonomies also listed as O. rhodurus and O. biwa) To K’s good answer on inconnu, all I will add is that some anglers refer to it as sheefish, and it’s also sometimes called conny or Eskimo tarpon. — Gary Soucie / Writer / Editor / Editorial Consultant Traveling With Fly Rod and Reel * Home Waters: A Fly-Fishing Anthology * Soucie’s Field Guide of Fishing Facts * Hook, Line, and Sinker: The Complete Angler’s Guide to Terminal Tackle
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Do you happen to know the specific name of the cherry salmon, Naohisa?
You mean thier scientific name? It is Oncorhynchus masou. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout. NK Where do grayling fit in? Mike They belong to the same family as salmon and chars, but the genus name is Thymallus for NA fish. I don’t know anything about he European grayling.
Same. Europian grayling is Thymallus thymallus. Another question: Does anyone happen to know what an inconnu is? Dave
? Naohisa
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Another question: Does anyone happen to know what an inconnu is?
The inconnu, Stenodus leucichthys, is a large, predatory whitefish which lives in the Far North. It has a basic salmonlike shape, with large scales, a deeply forked tail, and a large head with a very large mouth. It migrates into rivers in June and July and spawns in the fall. It ages slowly and can weigh over 50 lbs. It is the only predatory member of the whitefish tribe found in North America. Its common name is French for "unknown". — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Taxonomy of salmon is still messy, but the general agreement is as follows: Oncorhynchus: Pacific salmon = chum, chinook, pink, coho, sockey(kokanee), and masu (Asia). Trout = rainbow (steelhead), cutthroat, golden. Masu salmon (cherry salmon, or yamame) is placed into between North America Pacific salmon and trout in phylogeny. Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout. Cunnilingus humongous: Trouser Trout, Pants Python, Levi Lizard TimW
T-bone…. in a taxonomic class all his own. "Giganticus Dicki Brainius Coloradoensis"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Taxonomy of salmon is still messy, but the general agreement is as follows: Oncorhynchus: Pacific salmon = chum, chinook, pink, coho, sockey(kokanee), and masu (Asia). Trout = rainbow (steelhead), cutthroat, golden. Masu salmon (cherry salmon, or yamame) is placed into between North America Pacific salmon and trout in phylogeny. Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout. NK Where do grayling fit in? Mike
They are Thymallus which is a different genus from above ones. In fact, they are in different sub-family, Thymallinae. Salmon, trout, and char are in sub-family Salmoninae. Family Salmonidae has three subfamily, Salmoninae, Thymallinae, and Coregoninae (whitefishes). NK
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Taxonomy of salmon is still messy, but the general agreement is as follows: Oncorhynchus: Pacific salmon = chum, chinook, pink, coho, sockey(kokanee), and masu (Asia). Trout = rainbow (steelhead), cutthroat, golden. Masu salmon (cherry salmon, or yamame) is placed into between North America Pacific salmon and trout in phylogeny. Salmo: brown trout and Atlantic salmon Salvelinus (char): lake trout, brook trout, Arctic char, Dolly Varden, white-spotted char (Asia), and bull trout. NK
Where do grayling fit in? Mike
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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters. The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish.
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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters. The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish.
Hi This is certainly bad news. Unfortunately this disease will probably take a lot longer to get rid of than it took to get it; if ever. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html
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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters. The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish.
Does anyone know of any studies on the effects of WD on steelhead. I fear the worst, but I would be interested in any facts anyone may have? Lyman Lyman G. Hughes Dallas, TX Ennis, MT
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I was very interested in this message, given any potential of this awful discease coming to Canada.
Several years ago–when the news about whirling disease first hit the Montana newstands, I remember feeling angry, and somewhat depressed… "here we go again," I thought: hominid over-popuation-polution run amok. suggested that the low rainbow numbers in Montana’s Madison river were more due to poor fish & game regulations than whirling disease. medicago was particularly critical of Dick Vincent, who is a local fish and game hero, for pioneering our "manage for wild trout" policy. medicago ventured the real reason for such low rainbow numbers was over-fishing and redd trompling during the spawing months in March and April. He also predicted that other river systems–that experience less intense fishing pressure than the Madison–would exhibit more resilient rainbow populations. I thought he was a fool. The jury is still out. But perhaps I (we) were the fools after all. Whirling disease has been found in many drainages in Montana now, and as far as I know, only the Madison has suffered such a catastrphic population loss. Perhaps the combination of over-fishing AND whirling disease is just too much for the rainbows to handle. Perhaps we all need to fish a little bit less. I’m not taking sides here, just raising a few questions….. —
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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters. The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish.
I was very interested in this message, given any potential of this awful discease coming to Canada. Should anyone be aware of any accounts of this that can be substantiated (or along the border)I would like to know. Hopefully there will be no messages! Tight Lines Don Stokes Outdoor Columnist in Kingston Ont. area of CANADA
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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters. The Grand Ronde River in the southeast corner of the state has been found to contain infected fish. This news really makes me sad. Beautiful country and absolutely
wonderful river – my favorite in eastern Washington. George is probably just as ticked, seeing as how this section of the G.R. is just a hop, skip and a jump from Asotin. Brett
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I was very interested in this message, given any potential of this awful discease coming to Canada. Several years ago–when the news about whirling disease first hit the Montana newstands, I remember feeling angry, and somewhat depressed… "here we go again," I thought: hominid over-popuation-polution run amok.
Text Deleted… The jury is still out. But perhaps I (we) were the fools after all. Whirling disease has been found in many drainages in Montana now, and as far as I know, only the Madison has suffered such a catastrphic population loss. Perhaps the combination of over-fishing AND whirling disease is just too much for the rainbows to handle. Perhaps we all need to fish a little bit less. I’m not taking sides here, just raising a few questions….. —
In California we have had WD for decades. The Truckee River was where it was first noticed, over 40 years ago. If you go to that river you will see a lot of trout – rainbows and browns. One of my favorite places to fish in the Sierra mtns. has had WD for 18 years. It’s got a lot of trout. WD is a serious disease, and I hope the people involved continue to work towards a cure, but WD is not the end of fishing for trout. It’s not the doomsday disease some people make it out to be. Perhaps there are less trout than there would be without WD, but I still have fun and catch fish in WD positive waters. Darryl Hayashida
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A news item in Seattle this week — Whirling Disease has come to Washington waters. The Grand Ronde River in Does anyone know of any studies on the effects of WD on steelhead. I fear the worst, but I would be interested in any facts anyone may
Hmmm, I was just wondering the same thing. The Grand Ronde has always had such a neat looking strain of steelhead, it would be sad to see them wiped out. -Burton
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