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Kitchen rug greeblings?

admin — Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing? Boyfriend says there is. For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs. Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again. He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it. I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think? Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all. At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed Just for fun, drag something juuuuust until it disappears underneath. He’ll go nuts

Evil, Karen, eeevill (snicker) — Cliologist, Philanthropologist, Prothonotary Wibbler, Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid

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Auntie Tweed, Thare are Greeblings EVERYWHERE!! Dey go wherever dey wantses, bekause dey are tiny enuf to fit. Mama and I hunt dem all de time, but thare are ownly too of us, and millyuns of Greeblings. Unka Pan is no help, he kan’t see well enuf or move fast enuf to hunt, ennymore. Boyfriend is trying his hardest to protekt yoo from da rug greeblings. For tiny liddle kreechers, greeblings are meen and danjerus. Nina and Francesca.

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Is there such a thing? Boyfriend says there is. For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs. Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again. He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it. I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think? Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all. At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Dear Miss Christina, We are the greebling experts! You can trust us kitties. You can’t trust your poor weak hoomin eyes. Believe me, they can get anywhere. They change shape, and get flat, or long or whatever they need to do to hide from you. But we can see ‘em, hear ‘em and smell ‘em. Please don’t take any risks with those horrid greeblings just waiting around to take over the house– or fly down your throat when you’re sleeping! Eeeww! I get all creepy just thinking about it. Believe me, I know it’s not yours or my mommy’s faults that you can’t see them. You just have to relax and let us do our jobs. We’ll take care of everything. Love, Stinky Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Boyfriend is right. We have rug greeblings in the kitchen and the family room. Sometimes I have to move the entire rug back to get to them. Meowmy will come home and find the kitchen rug upside down and in the dining room, but she doesn’t find greeblings. That’s because I ate them all. Boyfriend is doing the right thing. Samuel R. Thunderpaws The Great Greebling Hunter

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When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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OH MY!!!! I’d compleetly foregotten about newspaper greeblings. But, from the state of the last newspaper I brought in the house & left on the couch when I went to work…. I think the furballs got them all. —

Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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Isn’t it funny how cats will always groom themselves nonchalantly whenever they do something stupid, my dogs just used to look embarrassed,but a cat makes sure you ‘know’ he did it on purpose That was a funny story Yowie, Wilson always chased the mop when he was little, it was especially funny when he chased the polish mop, he would skid everywhere. Jean.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such a thing? Boyfriend says there is. For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs. Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again. He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it. I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think? Has there ever been anything called an under-the-kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all. At least, none that would disturb her sleep. When Shmogg was still interested in Greeblings he had a unique way of dealing with the ones under the kitchen rug – he *surfed* on them! This is one of the first stories I ever wrote for RPCA back in April 1998: SURFING CAT Shmoggleberry lived in a pokey 2 bedroom flat for most of his life, and so took great advantage of all the extra space to run around in when we moved to a large house. The main bedroom, lounge, dining room and kitchen are all reasonably lined up, so Shmoggleberry could run full speed from one to the other. He can really get up some speed! (Since the flat was small, he couldn’t really get a decent run without having to make some very sharp, speed reducing, turns) The Kitchen has a lino floor, and since it was winter when I moved, I put some small mats down in the kitchen so I didn’t get cold feet. He very quickly discovered that if he got some speed up and then jumped onto the mat at the start of the kitchen, his momentum would allow him to "surf" across the lino, using the mat as a board. At one point, he got up to much speed, he discovered a law of thermodynamics: once you are moving, its hard to stop! THUNK! head first into the far wall of the kitchen. He let out a rather surprised "OW!" (as you would) and stopped to give himself a good grooming – which he always does when he’s done something stupid. I thought he’d learnt his lesson by getting a fairly good smack in the head. Alas, at some hideous hour of the morning, we were woken to the sounds of boomba, boomba, boomba (sound of cat hurtling through empty house, approaching speed of light), sweeeeeeeeeee….. (sound of mat sliding on lino) ….THUNK (sound of insane fluffy projectile being suddenly stopped by unforgiving wall). We had just managed to doze off, when – Boomba boomba boomba, sweee…, thunk. (just enough time to go back to sleep) boomba, boomba, boomba, sweeee…, thunk. (enough time..) boomba, boomba… etc. I caught him at it later the next day – he came screaming out of the bedroom, landed on the mat, and then put his head down so the wall would collect him on the flat bit between his ears. Almost like he was a charging bull. I guess it caused him the least amount of pain. Although I know El Moggo is probably the most cunning & conniving creature I’ve met, I also know he can be remarkably thick. Yowie

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free. Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings.

Ah now I see! They’d be under the floorboards in my place though, and anywhere in the house when the gat needs to go the toilet, he does a loud howl and runs around like a maniac then does his business, odd creature!

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Is there such a thing? Boyfriend says there is. For the past two weeks or so he has been fishing with his paw under the edge of one of the kitchen rugs. Not all the time, but enough. I turn the edge over to see if there is a beetle or something; there never is. I put the edge down again. He lifts it and says look, there it goes, you missed it. I’m not sure whether to believe him, what do all you kitties think? Has there ever been anything called an under-the- kitchen-rug greebling? KFC, from her retirement snoozyplace next the fire says he’s just being silly, there are no greeblings at all. At least, none that would disturb her sleep. Tweed

Oh yes! I believe kitchen rug greeblings are closely related to newspaper greeblings, very sneaky little devils which take an expert cat to deal with them. — Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat.

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L O Nina & Francesca I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen. I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job. She sed its a deal. I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away. She say you will be busier dan me. Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I? I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose. Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I fink Kitty FC got too old to bother about der greeblings in der house, it is FULL of dem, but most are under der rug in der kitchen. I try to show meowmie but she carnt see dem. I sez to Kitty, look, I tell you wot..you go outside and fite the big black cat to save me der job, and I will get all the greeblings in der house to save *you* der job. She sed its a deal. I doan no why she larfed when she settled back down in front of der fire after she fort The Enemy and he ran away. She say you will be busier dan me. Wot she mean? I avnt made der rong choice, av I? I fink I hear greeblings under dat rug again. Kitty is fast asleep, funny noizes coming from her nose. Sort of zzzz. pfff. zzzzzzzzzz. ppppffffff. Myself, I have to stay up all der nite to get der greeblings.

Boyfriend, You are the dearest little fellow. I send you special skritches from across the sea. Theresa Stinky Pictures: http://community.webshots.com/album/125591586JWEFwh My Blog: http://www.humanitas.blogspot.com

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Is there such a thing?

Is there ever! They belong to the family of under-the-rug greeblings, and Mere has been showing me how lacking Frank and Nikki have been lately in hunting them. It seems that they have let the greeblings multiply enormously, though Nikki does hunt them half-heartedly every now and then. However, Mere is on their case, and is taking care that they (the greeblings) keep on their toes. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What are greeblings? Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

Yes, and that’s why Nina was making it virtually impossible to put clean sheets on my bed, yesterday. =o) She was having a grand Greebling hunt. Melissa

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If I ever see one, I’ll let you know. (Actually, only cats can see these mysterious creatures). MLB

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What are greeblings?

Greeblings are those pesky animals that the cats chase when we can’t see anything there. One example is the under-the-rug greeblings, which apparently my place is full of, and which Mere chases with abandonment. She burrows under the rugs, bunny-kicks them and bites them to kill the greeblings under there. She also chases the bed greeblings when I make the bed, and makes sure I am protected against these foul beings. — Marina, Frank, Nikki, and introducing: Mere! marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki

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What are greeblings? Marcia (UK)

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They are such good guards for being so young. They will be formidable when they are grown. It is good to feel safe from evil greeblings. — CATherine

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Thanks to the dedicated work of my 2 intrepid FHP (Feline House Patrol) members, my house is greebling free. Every so often they try to get in… But my cats hear them (we hoomans think it’s ‘house settling’ noises) & instantly go on patrol, checking all corners, window leges & especially the bathroom (greeblings LOVE to sneak in through the bathtub drain)… So far, the house remains surrounded by greedblings, but they can’t get in. — Mathew Butler to 2 kittens: Chablis & Muscat En Vino Veritas

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eBay's PayPal Hit by Glitches in Online Payments – AGAIN!!

admin — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home page up Rob sig always 99p bargains going here nike , next , m+s , leather jacket 99p http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=…

EBay’s PayPal Hit by Glitches in Online Payments Mon Oct 11, 8:30 PM ET Technology – Internet Report By Lisa Baertlein

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041012/wr_nm/tech_ebay_… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) – EBay Inc.’s online payment service PayPal has suffered intermittent glitches since late last week, locking some users out of their accounts for long stretches and making it difficult for some online sellers to complete deals, the company and users said on Monday. The online payment problem came at the start of eBay’s (Nasdaq:EBAY – news) seasonally biggest quarter for revenues and roughly four months after the company apologized for a run of billing and search snafus that disrupted some of the auction site’s most dedicated sellers. EBay on Monday said it was working to fix the recent PayPal problems, which have affected payments, log-ins and account creation. "We are working furiously. … We have all resources dedicated to getting it fixed as soon as possible," PayPal spokeswoman Amanda Pires told Reuters. "We haven’t found the ultimate cause," said Pires, who added that the problem appeared to be related to a coding update late on Thursday. It was not immediately clear how widespread the problems were, although eBay’s message boards were filled with postings about the PayPal glitches. Michael Bokan, of West Charlton, New York, told Reuters PayPal usually processes 5 to 10 payments a day on orders from his fly-fishing equipment Web site FlyShack.com. Bokan, who said he can see payment requests being sent to PayPal, said no payments came through on Friday, less than half than normal were processed over the weekend and just one was processed on Monday. "It’s messing things up," said one San Francisco-based PayPal user who spoke on condition he not be named. He said payments were "trickling in" to his account, although confirmation e-mails from PayPal were not. Users also complained they were unable to withdraw money from their PayPal accounts or to use their PayPal debit cards. "I can’t get paid, can’t ship and can’t get to my own money," a PayPal user wrote in a posting on eBay’s message boards. EBay has been integrating PayPal tightly into its site since it purchased the company in 2002. For example, the company added a feature to its popular "Buy It Now" function that allows sellers to accept immediate payment only through PayPal. PayPal boasted 50.4 million accounts at the end of the second quarter, during which it processed $4.4 billion in payments. Shares in eBay closed $1.14 higher at $93.73 on Monday on the Nasdaq stock exchange.

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| seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW

In all fairness, I would love to know of any programmer out there that could make even the slightest change to a system the size of eBay’s or PayPal’s, serving over 100 million pages per day, without some glitches. My hat is off to both eBay and PayPal. They did a fantastic job. SB

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | seems to be such a co-incidence it cracks up when they put their new home | page up That shouldn’t have changed much but apparently they changed the back end at the same time and screwed everything up. Bloody idiots. GW probably got some bodger in with a pirate copy of dreamweaver.

Of course not a PIRATE copy. A HONG KONG copy…bought on eBay of course =)

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Anyone here like to fish? (off topic)

admin — Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >Does this make a person a redneck or something?

No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. lm

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"Don" wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. So I can’t go. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does this make a person a redneck or something?

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. -phy

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lm wrote in news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion {Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} "We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" "The truth about Packer’s Fans." "Go Packers!". — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >lm wrote in >news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >> lm >MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion >{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >"Go Packers!".

Do you extract these things from memory or from google? lm

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phy wrote in news:Xns957255878F8FDphy00xyahoocom@216.168.3.44: > stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com: >> I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >> anymore. >> Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I broke down and got my fishing permit a couple months ago. I have > been twice but didnt catch anything. I dont have the patience I use > to. I could soak a hook for hours and not get bored. Now if I dont see > some action in fifteen minutes I am ready to quit. > -phy

I lost patience when I was about 5 years of age. Never looked back. Also I noticed that cutting fish open is really gross–hard to believe how much dissection I’ve done. — "It’s not a toy, it’s a real oven that bakes muffins, and it’s powered by Love." –Sea Lab 2021.

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lm wrote in news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" > wrote: >>lm wrote in >>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>anymore. >>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>> lm >>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion >>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>"Go Packers!". > Do you extract these things from memory or from google? > lm

Memory, mostly. If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over & over, especially MST3K. Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons though. But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode "Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:37:40 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >lm wrote in >news:4opil0dpmhnsmimdcksnpb97q0q7mpje20@4ax.com: >> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 13:26:39 GMT, "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" >> wrote: >>>lm wrote in >>>news:n4pil0dkh60vv9jgdh9tk2sg0sjd09gjaa@4ax.com: >>>> On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: >>>>>I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it >>>>>anymore. >>>>>Does this make a person a redneck or something? >>>> No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. >>>> lm >>>MST3K – episode #810 – The Giant Spider Invasion >>>{Scene: Angry mob of Wisconsin rednecks with guns} >>>"We can’t go hunting yet–we’re not drunk enough!" >>>"The truth about Packer’s Fans." >>>"Go Packers!". >> Do you extract these things from memory or from google? >> lm >Memory, mostly. If I think it’s funny, I can watch/listen to a comedy over >& over, especially MST3K. Have finally grown a bit tired of the Simpsons >though. But I’ve probably heard, if not actually watched the MST3K episode >"Manos The Hands of Fate", oh, maybe 50 times.

I heard the mst3k guys on npr the other day, doing a play-acting synopsis of Sky Captain and the blahblah. I don’t think their schtick works on radio so much. lm

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

Do you live in a trailer park?

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"Darkfalz" wrote in message … > "Don" wrote in message > news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any > fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a car. > So I can’t go. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen this weekend I might go. What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

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lm wrote in message … > On 28 Sep 2004 05:34:02 -0700, stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote: > >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > >Does this make a person a redneck or something? > No but hunting does. Don’t ask me why. > lm

Deer season is almost an official holiday here.

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Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance.

No but I eat fish. Does that count? – Michaela

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JayCee wrote in message … > Don wrote: > > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > Do you live in a trailer park?

No, and my real name is not Billie Bob either!

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1 @posting.google.com: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I’ve been a couple of times this year to an overstocked pond. Cast the bait, wait 30 seconds, reel in the catfish. It’s what fishing was meant to be!

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> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

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Fishing is for hubbies who want to get away from the nagging wife for few hours. I’ll get into it if mine is a naggy. :)

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"Don" wrote in message

news:1a66b8fe.0409281105.ce258e7@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Darkfalz" wrote in message > … >> "Don" wrote in message >> news:1a66b8fe.0409280434.20fec1b1@posting.google.com… >> >I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >> I like it, but I haven’t been for years. I don’t live anywhere near any >> fishing place right now, well, there are some lakes but I don’t have a >> car. >> So I can’t go. >> > Does this make a person a redneck or something? > I think it is relaxing but can be frustrating. If I get my chores doen > this weekend I might go. > What do you fish for in your area? I fish for small mouth bass.

I dunno. Trout I think. — "Landslide for Bush/Howard 2004" – Proud right wing fascist NAZI Darkfalz

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stry…@hotmail.com (Don) wrote in message … > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore.

I like to fish. Can’t say that I have much luck at it. I’m like the cartoon character who casts his reel, feels a "bite", and then pulls out an old rubber boot. It seems like fishing is less popular now because the pace of life is too fast. Anything that requires much time and much patience has lost it’s appeal. I think most people just don’t have the free time to spend fishing. Unfortunately that’s true for me too. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

If it does, then I suppose I should start watching Hee Haw!

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dudenephx1…@aol.com (DudeNEPhx1971) wrote in message … > Fishing is for hubbies who want to get away from the nagging wife for few > hours.

Ditto for golf.

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On 29 Sep 2004 02:14:09 GMT, trance…@aol.com (Trance909) wrote: >> do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it anymore. >I fish. Down here, it seems like everyone and their grandfather has a boat. >People like to fish too much….this place is all fished out.

Then why do you fish? lm

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Still off-topic. Don wrote: > I do but never get the chance. Seems like no one likes to do it > anymore. > Does this make a person a redneck or something?

I just watched "A Perfect Storm" and got to wondering about fishing for the umpteenth time. My partner, Mike’s in the fishing industry here in Cape Town and he and all his friends love fishing. They often go away for weekends just to fish. One of Mike’s friends used to fish for a living (he still goes out to sea for work for two weeks or so every couple of months) and he would come home after being away for a month or two and go straight off for a weekend of bass/fly-fishing (not even sure if that’s the same thing). (Actually, I think his passion for fishing is what kept most of his relationships going for as long as they did. He has a tendency to get too involved too quickly and as this can sometimes scare people off, his passion for fishing would often take the pressure off the girl/ relationship.) Anyway, the reason I’m responding here is because I am wondering what the allure of fishing is. I mean, I think I understand the whole solitude/quiet thing. But that’s not enough. What else is it about? Is it something about fighting/using nature? What? – Michaela

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9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL

admin — Mon, 31 May 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof. The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state, and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military, the media, does nothing. Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. http://www.911sharethetruth.com 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL – A Call to All True Patriots – We have actively studied the questionable nature of the official version of what happened to our nation on September 11, 2001. Throughout the first year after 9-11 we ignored and did not believe those who asked us to question the official story. Like millions of Americans we believed America had been attacked by terrorists from abroad. Sadly, we are now convinced that our government committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens for the larger purpose of swaying us to support both domestic and foreign policies mapped out in the mid and late 1990’s. 9-11 was Hitler’s Reichstag fire of 1933 and Roosevelt’s Pearl Harbor masterfully coordinated to achieve the desired ends of an imperialistic role for America in the world, patriotic support at home and the erosion of our constitutional rights. In a nutshell, the war on terrorism is a cruel hoax by a misguided, out-of-democratic control small group of individuals sabotaging the best of American values. We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis combined with severe domination from an Orwellian corporate media knowingly or unknowingly being of service to the true powerbrokers behind the curtain. We feel like we are living in the "Matrix" where we can blend in, but knowing something is horribly wrong and must be exposed. The quality of life for all of our loved ones is at stake along with the hopes of millions of people for a world of peace, freedom and ecological sustainability. If just a few of you take the time to study a little more and become involved in the 9-11 truth movement we will be greatly appreciative. We strongly feel that people of all progressive movements should involve themselves in this effort to expose the truth about 9-11 and in the greatest push ever from the grassroots to nonviolently replace our current despotic leadership. It would have tremendous positive consequences to all of our progressive movements if similar to the fall of Nixon over Watergate that the Bush administration was exposed on this and replaced. This outrageous criminal act must be brought to justice and our freedoms restored. We need to reach out now to all those who may be willing to hear and break the silence. Go to site for posters, cassettes, buttons… http://www.911sharethetruth.com

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Yep, it was an inside job….the planes blew up INSIDE the buildings. Gee, you are so smart. You are right about specially outfitted planes… aircraft slamming into the side of a building would go in just like a missle. And correct again about the controlled demolition…those terrorists must have been really skilled to be able to CONTROL the way they demolished the buildings. By the way numbnuts, watch the footage again. The buildings did not collapse starting from the bottom. A controlled demolition would not have been done in the basement, but would have needed to take out at least a dozen floors with the size of the buildings and taken at least a week to plan, and implement. I think people would have gotten just a mite suspicious with work crews cutting through the structural pilings, setting shaped charges and running primer cord throughout the buildings. The quality of the steel made back when the towers were constructed was poor compared to today. The structural tolerance was quite low. The intense heat would collapse the pilings. And the weight exerted by the upper floors would and did cause the lower ones to fail, causing a cascade failure. The only way the building would have toppled is if the lower pilings were strong enough to hold back the collapsing upper floors and deflect the path of the fall. But, as we all saw, it did not. Cease and decist your trolling. People are getting sick of your freakish extremist "moveon.orgism". GO AWAY!!!! *PLONK*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof. The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state, and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military, the media, does nothing. Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11. Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless.

What does gof have to do with anything. — Retired military and damn proud of it.

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Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11. Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless. Indeed. Being uncensored,

Free press would also be uncensored. the net provides the ideal soapbox for every paranoid conspiracy theorist who knows how to use a keyboard.

Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Matti P.

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I understood your point; just wanted to clarify terms. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means. In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.

Please note: I said "among the silliest", not "the silliest". Matti P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion. The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth. In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true. Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it. It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means. In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves. This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion. The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth. In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

But there is conclusive physical evidence that no 767 hit the Pentagon, in fact no evidence of fusilage of any plane found.. The fact that two, one piece that does not match photographed on the lawn points to conspiracy. There was no American Airlines flight 77 scheduled to fly that day. There is conclusive physical evididence that no passenger jet plane hit the 1st tower or penetrated it. {The film shown shown the following day 9/12, was crudely edited. You can see it by looking for the evidence "first plane") There is only three small holes in the building, none greater that a few feet. There was no American Airlines flight 11 scheduled to fly that day. What few eye witnesses say a very small plane, holding no more than 10-12 seats, or "a missle with wings". Check out the examination of that flight and the photos on thewebfairy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering. Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not? But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread. — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

Blow me.

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The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering. Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not? But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/sweetdeal_title.jpg This one doesn’t NECCESARILY prove anything, other than that a KC-767 prototype did in fact exist, but it’s very telling nevertheless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

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IFR Checkride Scheduled

admin — Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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Here is an interesting question. Lets say you pass your checkride, but the examiner fails his. Do you have to retake your checkride? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have my IFR checkride scheduled for April 21st… To make it even more exciting my CFII talked me into taking my ride with a DE that is getting his certification for giving instrument checkrides… So not only will he be there but a representative from the FAA will be riding along critiquing him… Has anyone else had any checkride experiences along these lines? Or, can anyone give relay some interesting checkride experiences to take the edge off my nervousness… Really the nerves haven’t hit yet and I figure that the worst thing that will happen is that I’d bust some portion and have to retake it… Holding pattern entries would be my guess… Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA (hopefully not for long)

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Cecil, I don’t know that I can completely agree with you, I’ve heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI’s and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds.

Well, it’s definitely a YMMV thing. Also, it depends when and where you fly. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive.

Firstly, that’s just one of many scenarios for being asked/told to hold. To answer your question, I don’t know. Definitely more than zero, but not that often. I’ve been asked to hold flying into Arcata, was given a hold out near Modesto, have held at Tracy for the LVK ILS 25R as well as at MARNA down near MRY. More often though I get a ‘visual hold’ or a ‘vector hold’. There are some approaches that start with a turn in the hold – check out Napa – given direct SGD at 4000′ cleared for the approach – you basically fly the hold. Hilton

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Be the plane…. be the plane… be the plane… OK got it… Thanks…. JK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Good luck John. Be the plane man, be the plane…

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Hi Allen, When I took my multi-engine check ride my boss was getting his DE authority also. The FAA Inspector from Albuquerque, NM was also training two new inspectors. There were five of us in a Piper Navajo on a July day in NM. Talk about "sweating" it out. P.S. We all passed!

Wow that must have given the examiner(s) an opportunity to really test the single engine climb performance! They probably all had white knuckles by the time you landed… I’m now hoping I don’t get an extra person on board the Seminole when it comes to taking the Multi addon, the performance is marginal at best! Best wishes, Richard Thomas CP-ASEL IA Student AMEL

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know that I can completely agree with you, I’ve heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI’s and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I’ve only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I’ve only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER… Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there… but I don’t think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected…. yada yada yada….

I have had scandalously few hours in the system since I passed my checkride, and I’ve had to hold on approach twice. Once approaching Arlington when the controller was trying to ensure that the predecessor, who had actually – gasp – landed, had closed. And once at Paine when the controller had, at a guess, been a little optimistic about sequencing. Surely the first problem illustrates that it’s going to be more likely to happen at an untowered field because by then you’re on advisories and off radar? It doesn’t have to be a busy hub. Remember to check if there’s a specific frequency for closing the plan at an untowered field (e.g. one local airport with ILS and scheduled airline traffic uses the CD frequency, but that’s not clearly stated on the plate). — David Brooks

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My soon to be DE who flys for ATA told me he has only been told to hold 4 times in his entire career… Maybe the big boys don’t get holds as much as us little guys… JK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know that I can completely agree with you, I’ve heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI’s and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I’ve only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I’ve only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER… Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there… but I don’t think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected…. yada yada yada….

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I don’t know that I can completely agree with you, I’ve heard the issue about hold practice, from grey haired CFI’s and regular G.A. pilots,,,, they all seem to say the same thing about holds. I know what you are saying, but realistically, how many times have have you been asked to hold at a towered airport because traffic load was so prohibitive. I’ve only been flying since 2000, but in my personal flying I’ve only ever been asked to hold because of traffic, once!,,, EVER… Yep,,, missed approach holds,,, okay maybe there… but I don’t think most of us are going to be flying anywhere near to minimums and will be able to make the runway just fine on the first try, since most of us are REALLY REALLY good :-. Okay,,, kind of kidding,,,, I know that we are supposed to handle missed approaches as if they are the norm and a landing on the first try as unexpected…. yada yada yada…. — — =—– Good Flights! Cecil PP-ASEL Student-IASEL Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond! Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." – Antoine de Saint-Exupery – "We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet" – Cecil Day Lewis – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – experience. Hilton

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Cecil, I have to admit that I am going to have to woodshed a little more on holding patterns. Such an irony, that the very thing we will be tested on in the practical (i.e., holding patterns) represents something that we may never be asked to do in our entire flying career.

I’m sure other IFR pilots, and perhaps your CFI, have told you this – it simply is not true. I have been given numerous holds by ATC here in the Bay Area (where you are). Also, many approaches have a hold as part of their misssed approach. As yourself what happens if you lose comms. I remember hearing NorCal giving a military pilot a hold and ATC had to literally describe to the pilot how to fly it (over PYE if I remember correctly) – I was amazed. Moreover, if you go into the exercise of learning holds with the thought that you’ll never use them, you probably won’t maximize the learning experience. Hilton

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Good luck John. Be the plane man, be the plane… — Jack Allison PP-ASEL "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return" - Leonardo Da Vinci

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Here is an interesting question. Lets say you pass your checkride, but the examiner fails his. Do you have to retake your checkride?

No.

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I have my IFR checkride scheduled for April 21st… To make it even more exciting my CFII talked me into taking my ride with a DE that is getting his certification for giving instrument checkrides… So not only will he be there but a representative from the FAA will be riding along critiquing him… Has anyone else had any checkride experiences along these lines? Or, can anyone give relay some interesting checkride experiences to take the edge off my nervousness… Really the nerves haven’t hit yet and I figure that the worst thing that will happen is that I’d bust some portion and have to retake it… Holding pattern entries would be my guess… Any input would be appreciated. Thanks. Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA (hopefully not for long)

When I took my multi-engine check ride my boss was getting his DE authority also. The FAA Inspector from Albuquerque, NM was also training two new inspectors. There were five of us in a Piper Navajo on a July day in NM. Talk about "sweating" it out. You are going about it with the right attitude. Give it the best you’ve got and you’ll do fine. P.S. We all passed! Allen Smith

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Thanks Cecil…. I expect you to finish up before me and give me some pointers. :-) JK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA (hopefully not for long) Have a great ride, Jon! As is often said, your instructor wouldn’t release you for the checkride unless you were ready. I look forward to seeing your ’signature’ changing, after April 21. I have to admit that I am going to have to woodshed a little more on holding patterns. Such an irony, that the very thing we will be tested on in the practical (i.e., holding patterns) represents something that we may never be asked to do in our entire flying career. I think I have the pattern entry process, down, though (OnTop has helped me quite a lot with conceptualizing the entries). Though occasionally I’ve done the ‘wrong’ entry, so to speak, during moments of IFR training induced ‘brain-fog’ As for the nervousness,,, I don’t know what to tell you other than to do something relaxing the day before (unrelated to flying). If you can,, take the day off and take in a good matinee at the movies (with an extra helping of popcorn and root beer

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Jon Kraus PP-ASEL Student-IA (hopefully not for long)

Have a great ride, Jon! As is often said, your instructor wouldn’t release you for the checkride unless you were ready. I look forward to seeing your ’signature’ changing, after April 21. I have to admit that I am going to have to woodshed a little more on holding patterns. Such an irony, that the very thing we will be tested on in the practical (i.e., holding patterns) represents something that we may never be asked to do in our entire flying career. I think I have the pattern entry process, down, though (OnTop has helped me quite a lot with conceptualizing the entries). Though occasionally I’ve done the ‘wrong’ entry, so to speak, during moments of IFR training induced ‘brain-fog’ As for the nervousness,,, I don’t know what to tell you other than to do something relaxing the day before (unrelated to flying). If you can,, take the day off and take in a good matinee at the movies (with an extra helping of popcorn and root beer

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Or, can anyone give relay some interesting checkride experiences to take the edge off my nervousness…

It was November 2001. The WTC wreckage was still strewn across lower Manhattan and the Pentagon construction crews were starting their own herculean rebuilding effort while many citizens were still wary of aircraft sounds in the skies. The Powers That Be had just recently implemented the DC ADIZ and all the local pilots were well aware that the circular contrails above the city were created by aircraft not displaying civilian livery. I scheduled my checkride to fly out of Frederick, MD (KFDK) but that meant I had to get my plane from Leesburg, VA (KJYO) to FDK. At the time of my checkride, all flights in the ADIZ had to be on IFR plans so I had to convince my instructor to tag along so we could fly IFR on his ticket. We get to FDK without incident, meet the DE and she begins reviewing the documentation. Aircraft logs check out OK and she reviews my logbook. "So you flew to Elizabeth City, NC for your long XC?" Yes. "I don’t see an instructor sign-off." Uh-oh. I had gotten an interpretation from AOPA that an instructor was not required for that flight. They were wrong. As the DE put it, "You should have asked the FAA." OK, what are my options? It turned out that her afternoon appointment had cancelled (perhaps due to ADIZ restrictions) and she was willing to give me the checkride in the afternoon *IF* I could get the long XC done that day. I call the office and let them know I need to take the rest of the day off and they graciously agreed. Meanwhile, my instructor (who I begged to check) also was able to get the day off from his day job. We planned and flew a XC from FDK to Hot Springs, VA (KHSP) – a very cool mountain-top airport for those interested – with a secondary stop at Shenandoah (KSHD). While waiting for fuel at SHD, I called and confirmed with the DE that we would be back in FDK that day, but that daylight would be fast receding by the time we got there. She normally doesn’t conduct checkrides at night, but she suggested I get back to FDK as quickly as possible. We kept the squirrels under the cowl of the 172 running as fast as the whip could get them and we arrived back at FDK with about 25 minutes of daylight left. My instructor signed off the logbook and the DE began the oral portion of the checkride. Everything went well and we went to the plane where I performed the pre-flight by flashlight. Luckily, I was still night current and we took off for the practical test. We went through the usual assortment of tasks – steep turns, DME arc, VOR approach, tracking radials, etc. – and ended up shooting the ILS back to FDK. She let me know that I’d "broken out" and could remove the hood and proceeded to inform me that as long as I could land and park the plane, I’d received my instrument rating. Even with that added pressure, I was able to fly a near-perfect glideslope followed by a chirp-chirp…chirp landing that any instructor would be proud of. We went inside where the DE filled out my temporary certificate and I filed my very first IFR plan where I was to be PIC – just to get home to JYO. After all was said and done, I performed the first pre-flight of the day before 8am and tied down after 7pm. In between, I logged 1.1 hours for the trip to/from JYO-FDK, 4.1 hours for the long XC, and another 1.3 for the practical test (6.5 hours of flight time) on top of the oral exam. It was a long day. Let this be a lesson for all: Take your instructor on the long XC flight! Really the nerves haven’t hit yet and I figure that the worst thing that will happen is that I’d bust some portion and have to retake it… Holding pattern entries would be my guess…

Good attitude. Try to stay calm. Remember that your instructor wouldn’t send you up (hopefully) unless he thought you were ready. — John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415

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Or, can anyone give relay some interesting checkride experiences to take the edge off my nervousness…

My instrument checkride was not atypical so I don’t have any over-the-top experiences to offer. I did, however, forget the acronym MEA when the DE pointed to it on the en route chart and asked what the number represented. After he answered his own question, I apologized for the legitimate brain fart. This DE is also a CFII (not mine) and a very easy person with whom to converse, so overall the test was very comfortable for me. However, in regards to the nervousness, I have two suggestions. The first is to really enjoy and interact with the DE during the oral exam. Ask him about his experiences. Take the opportunity to let him/her teach you, as well as the more obvious part about him/her testing you. The more you informally interact with him/her, the more you should realize that he is just a more experienced pilot who wants to be sure you will be a safe pilot, especially with a rating that can be inherently more lethal. Secondly, I found it reassuring that I absolutely did not want to pass the instrument checkride if I was not a safe instrument pilot. I am not on any fast track to some airline job, so slamming out ratings like the passing of mile markers on a super highway was not my goal. Carrying my precious cargo of my wife and two little boys as safely as possible was (and is still) my goal. This may be obvious, but the point of passing is not to pass, but to demonstrate some level of proficiency. With that in mind, I gave the DE a quick speech at the beginning of my oral exam stating that I expected him to withhold the rating if I was not safe in his eyes. By doing this, I accomplished two things. First, it relaxed me because it reminded me of the real purpose of the checkride. Secondly, it demonstrated to the DE what my sincere goal was if I did pass the checkride. Remember that your CFII would not have endorsed your logbook if s/he felt you were not ready. Fly like it is your CFII in the right seat, and you should do very well. Looking forward to reading your post-instrument checkride report. — Peter —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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What are the odds?

admin — Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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days. I would guess the tire needed more brakes for some reason in each case. You said it was the home base and the base is notorious for the effect of sudden brakage.

The first plane was a Fed-Ex A-300 out of Newark. They stopped in less than 4000′ of runway. All 8 main tires were blown. Jacks had to be trucked in to raise it up to change the tires. Once it was raised, the brakes wouldn’t disassemble. It was on the runway about 12 hours. Interestingly, it isn’t in the FAA’s incident listings. The second plane was a DC-3 based at nearby airport. Flat tires on taildraggers can be tricky. Fortunately they didn’t ground-loop it. The local newspaper reported that no flights had to divert. You know I sent a sarcastic e-mail to that editor. D.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a clear calm morning. The sun was just coming up over the ocean. The temperature was around 70F. I had an easy commute in to work. The employee parking shuttle bus driver waited for me to walk over and board instead of making me wait 15 minutes for the next one. I had only one Jeppeson update to do. There weren’t any nasty memoes from the chief pilot. No one was running their noisy APU, so I did the pre-flight exterior inspection. For once, I didn’t find any discrepencies. The only way it could have been better is if I started the day fishing instead of waiting until I got off work to go fishing. After the pre-flight, I was standing next to the plane chatting with a friend. He and I used to tow banners together. As we were talking, a big cloud of smoke rolled across the airfield. It was tire smoke but too much for a normal landing. Then a gate agent motioned for me to come up the jetway because the boarding passengers were concerned about the smell. I gave them an explanation that worked. After I hung up the PA, my helper-pilot told me that the main runway was shut down because of a disabled aircraft. We made a bet on which airline it was. It turned out to be my turn to buy lunch. Our departure time is at the start of the morning rush of departures, but the morning rush wasn’t happening because many flights were having headaches trying to get their weight down so they could use the short runway. We launched from the short runway in good time. The trip up to the Northeast was pleasant. We called the field insight from 60 miles out. Our turn time was good. We were ready to board when my intuition made the other pilot call clearance. Sure enough, we had a 2 hour gate hold because of delays due to a disabled airplane at our destination. That was going to cut into my fishing time. After the first hour passed, and the greasy spoon diner they call a restaurant had started serving lunch, I sauntered up to the gate area to get a bite to eat. I was surrounded by anxious passengers wanting more information. The gate agent had been instructed not to say anything. A certain irritable streak deep inside was starting to wiggle around because, unlike management, I know how to run an airline. I picked up the PA and gave the folks the information they craved. Just as my speech was winding down, the gate agent wispered to me that our gear-up time had been moved up. I keyed the PA again and told everyone that we had 20 minutes to be in the air or else ATC would send us to the end of the list. Those people must have liked my speech. They ran down the jetway. They stuffed bags in the overheads with super-human strength. I think I saw them shove the last standing passenger into a seat. We set a record for boarding a full plane. They must have liked my speech. Number 2 engine was lit and spooling up as we ran the runway. We made it into the air with less than a minute left of our edict. Maybe I should use that speech more often. The flight southbound was just as nice. ATC was giving vectors and speed restrictions to other traffic in order to get the required in-trail spacing, but they left us alone. All was going well. Too well. On the arrival, 30 miles from the airport, we were given holding instructions. It caught us by surprise. I had to fly the first orbit by hand until my helper-pilot programmed the hold into the FMS. Then he called the tower for more information. He turned to me and said, "What are the odds?". The main runway was still shutdown because it still had an airplane on it with 8 blown tires. The second runway was now shutdown because it also had an airplane on it with blown tires. What are the odds? The second plane was a DC-3. I know that the last DC-3 towbar left the airport a long time ago. The first disabled plane was still on it’s axles. The airport wouldn’t be open anytime soon. We decided that holding wouldn’t change anything, so we diverted to another airport. I never did get to go fishing that day. It was a beautiful day for fishing and I was stuck at the airport. What are the odds? D.

Two blown tire incidents in one days. I would guess the tire needed more brakes for some reason in each case. You said it was the home base and the base is notorious for the effect of sudden brakage. And fishing at your homebase is a passtime so maybe it has to do with water near the end of the runway. I remember Boston for this problem in the news papers. Is Boston your base?? I remember the Massacheustts solution for the Boston runway problem was to keep the old one and add a second without water as the overrun. Except the new one solved the noise polution problem only and is a poor use for the new North End. Somebody had Mayor White’s old crowd mad at them way back.

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It was a clear calm morning. The sun was just coming up over the ocean. The temperature was around 70F. I had an easy commute in to work. The employee parking shuttle bus driver waited for me to walk over and board instead of making me wait 15 minutes for the next one. I had only one Jeppeson update to do. There weren’t any nasty memoes from the chief pilot. No one was running their noisy APU, so I did the pre-flight exterior inspection. For once, I didn’t find any discrepencies. The only way it could have been better is if I started the day fishing instead of waiting until I got off work to go fishing. After the pre-flight, I was standing next to the plane chatting with a friend. He and I used to tow banners together. As we were talking, a big cloud of smoke rolled across the airfield. It was tire smoke but too much for a normal landing. Then a gate agent motioned for me to come up the jetway because the boarding passengers were concerned about the smell. I gave them an explanation that worked. After I hung up the PA, my helper-pilot told me that the main runway was shut down because of a disabled aircraft. We made a bet on which airline it was. It turned out to be my turn to buy lunch. Our departure time is at the start of the morning rush of departures, but the morning rush wasn’t happening because many flights were having headaches trying to get their weight down so they could use the short runway. We launched from the short runway in good time. The trip up to the Northeast was pleasant. We called the field insight from 60 miles out. Our turn time was good. We were ready to board when my intuition made the other pilot call clearance. Sure enough, we had a 2 hour gate hold because of delays due to a disabled airplane at our destination. That was going to cut into my fishing time. After the first hour passed, and the greasy spoon diner they call a restaurant had started serving lunch, I sauntered up to the gate area to get a bite to eat. I was surrounded by anxious passengers wanting more information. The gate agent had been instructed not to say anything. A certain irritable streak deep inside was starting to wiggle around because, unlike management, I know how to run an airline. I picked up the PA and gave the folks the information they craved. Just as my speech was winding down, the gate agent wispered to me that our gear-up time had been moved up. I keyed the PA again and told everyone that we had 20 minutes to be in the air or else ATC would send us to the end of the list. Those people must have liked my speech. They ran down the jetway. They stuffed bags in the overheads with super-human strength. I think I saw them shove the last standing passenger into a seat. We set a record for boarding a full plane. They must have liked my speech. Number 2 engine was lit and spooling up as we ran the runway. We made it into the air with less than a minute left of our edict. Maybe I should use that speech more often. The flight southbound was just as nice. ATC was giving vectors and speed restrictions to other traffic in order to get the required in-trail spacing, but they left us alone. All was going well. Too well. On the arrival, 30 miles from the airport, we were given holding instructions. It caught us by surprise. I had to fly the first orbit by hand until my helper-pilot programmed the hold into the FMS. Then he called the tower for more information. He turned to me and said, "What are the odds?". The main runway was still shutdown because it still had an airplane on it with 8 blown tires. The second runway was now shutdown because it also had an airplane on it with blown tires. What are the odds? The second plane was a DC-3. I know that the last DC-3 towbar left the airport a long time ago. The first disabled plane was still on it’s axles. The airport wouldn’t be open anytime soon. We decided that holding wouldn’t change anything, so we diverted to another airport. I never did get to go fishing that day. It was a beautiful day for fishing and I was stuck at the airport. What are the odds? D.

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Flight to Bahamas

admin — Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Wondered if anyone had some tips on flying a C172 (or similar) to the Bahamas from FXE (Ft. Laud. Exec.) ?? e.g. best guidebook, rafts needed?, easiest island to fly to, customs procedures, etc. Stimbo Medford, NJ — Posted with Ink Spot (for PocketPC) from DejaVu Software, Inc. Usenet wherever you are – http://www.dejavusoftware.com/

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writes: Wondered if anyone had some tips on flying a C172 (or similar) to the Bahamas from FXE (Ft. Laud. Exec.) ?? e.g. best guidebook, rafts needed?, easiest island to fly to, customs procedures, etc. Stimbo Medford, NJ

Did it last winter in my Archer. Get the packet from AOPA with all the needed forms and helpful hints. Have the documents filled out before landing makes it easier and quicker. Aircraft number (on side) needs to be 12 inches. Mine are 3 inch so I got blue 2 inch masking tape and put temp numbers on. Practiced on the washing machine at home. We had the only 85B washing machine.

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I went in my Glasair II a couple of months ago. Departed Ft. Pierce, they will help with info and docs. I flew into N. Eleuthra and it took about 10 minutes to clear customs. Got a crusing permit and had a ball. Great pilot deals as some hotels in the out islands will discount 20%. Went to Staniel Cay and Pittstown point. At Pittstown Pt. you could see the plane from the room (runway is close by) and the water was about 40 ft from the room. Get "The Bahamas and Caribbean pilots guide", it has everything you need to know about flying and procedures. It can be found on the internet. have fun Steve

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Wondered if anyone had some tips on flying a C172 (or similar) to the Bahamas from FXE (Ft. Laud. Exec.) ?? e.g. best guidebook, rafts needed?, easiest island to fly to, customs procedures, etc.

I used to work as a dispatcher for Executive Jet (now NetJets) and we would have to call Bahamian Customs to let them know we had an aircraft that would be arriving. The typical response from the person on the other end of the line was, "Ya mahn, we be here." Included in REMARKS box of our release form for the pilots was the comment, "Spoke with Inspector Ya Mahn."

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wondered if anyone had some tips on flying a C172 (or similar) to the Bahamas from FXE (Ft. Laud. Exec.) ?? e.g. best guidebook, rafts needed?, easiest island to fly to, customs procedures, etc. I used to work as a dispatcher for Executive Jet (now NetJets) and we would have to call Bahamian Customs to let them know we had an aircraft that would be arriving. The typical response from the person on the other end of the line was, "Ya mahn, we be here." Included in REMARKS box of our release form for the pilots was the comment, "Spoke with Inspector Ya Mahn."

I’ve never flown in the islands, but I’ve sailed them (Bahamas, US & British Virgins, Windwards). Everything runs on island time down there. "Ya man, we be here" sounds about right. We pulled some pretty wierd stunts. On one trip, we were traveling with a Chinese national with no visa and an expired Chinese passport. About the worse we ever got from the Customs folks was "You know dis is against de rules, mon? You could get into a lot of trouble, mon. Enjoy your stay, and please spend lots of money while you be here in our island paradise, mon"

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Enjoy your stay, and please spend lots of money while you be here in our island paradise, mon"

I live in SE florida and some of my pilot friends fly to the Bahamas. Now they charge $15.00 per head just to land. Plus the hassle with customs and FSS. Never saw anything in the Bahamas that I wanted. I spend my money right here in the USA. But to each its own. Hank

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I have been a couple of times. It can be very interesting and fun. Last time I went, had an engine failure on takeoff on return trip. Not a good place to have mechanical problems. Long story on replacing engine and getting plane back to U.S. so I won’t bore you with details. My advice, have backup plans for your backup plans but have a great time.

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Wondered if anyone had some tips on flying a C172 (or similar) to the Bahamas from FXE (Ft. Laud. Exec.) ??

Haven’t flown to the Bahamas since I moved from FL in 1990, but we would always use Ft. Pierce for customs on the way back. Used to be a lot less crowded than the other So. FL airports of entry, don’t know if that’s still the case. We’d usually plan the initial route from FL to the west side of Grand Bahama, on that route you’re only out of sight of land for about 45 minutes or so. I’d vote for a retractable given an option (if you have to ditch a fixed-gear AC, it’s probably going to flip over when the gear hits the water). But if you’ve got a healthy engine it doesn’t have a clue whether it’s over water or land (do a mag check before getting too far over water for some added peace of mind, we do that even when flying out to Catalina here in SoCal). e.g. best guidebook, rafts needed?, easiest island to fly to, customs procedures, etc.

I’ll second the recommendation for "The Bahamas and Caribbean Pilots Guide" – It used to be chock-full of useful info, since it’s still in print I’d assume that’s still the case. Have fun! — GregR – Another Beemer Biker …o&o CA/IFR/BGI – KVNY [This space for rent - inquire within]

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I live in SE florida and some of my pilot friends fly to the Bahamas. Now they charge $15.00 per head just to land.

They’ve charged landing fees for years, but you can usually get around them if you’re (ahem…) creative with your "flight crew" (i.e. pilot, co-pilot, second officer, navigator), etc. I can’t remember us ever having to pay a pax charge over there. :-) Plus the hassle with customs and FSS.

Hassle? Haven’t made the trip post-9/11, so I don’t know what the norm is lately – but it used to be that customs would only ask us to open a bag or two, would sometimes ask for an estimate of how many US-registered planes were on the ramp at our departure airport (I guess to get a gauge as to what their workload was going to be later on), then told us to have a nice day and sent us on our way. I’ve heard horror stories about customs ordering pilots to practically disassemble the plane on the ramp, but for us they were always pleasant and professional. Never saw anything in the Bahamas that I wanted.

You really should get out more often… Great boating, diving, snorkeling, fishing, eating, island-hopping, etc. etc. etc. Just a great place to get away from it all, plus the natives are really friendly. All within an easy couple hours’ flight from the US mainland. I’d go back tomorrow given the chance. — GregR – Another Beemer Biker …o&o CA/IFR/BGI – KVNY [This space for rent - inquire within]

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We pulled some pretty wierd stunts. On one trip, we were traveling with a Chinese national with no visa and an expired Chinese passport. About the worse we ever got from the Customs folks was "You know dis is against de rules, mon? You could get into a lot of trouble, mon. Enjoy your stay, and please spend lots of money while you be here in our island paradise, mon"

Sailing into a Bahamas port I was concerned about the water depth and called into an attendant on the dock, "How’s the water depth in there." The answer came back, "Plenty water mon, just spread thin!" We went in slowly and there was enough. Chuck

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You really should get out more often… Great boating, diving, snorkeling, fishing, eating, island-hopping, etc. etc. etc.

As I stated I live in SE Florida and we have great boating, diving, snorkeling,fishing and eating right here. No need to take my hard earned money over there. Besides I need it to keep my plane in the air. Hank

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You really should get out more often… Great boating, diving, snorkeling, fishing, eating, island-hopping, etc. etc. etc. As I stated I live in SE Florida and we have great boating, diving, snorkeling,fishing and eating right here. No need to take my hard earned money over there. Besides I need it to keep my plane in the air. Hank

And you are packed like sardines in south Florida. My folks live in Naples in the winter and I have driven thru the gretaer Miami metro area during the high season. Go 150 mile east and you are virtually alone on a miles long strand of beach.

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And you are packed like sardines in south Florida. My folks live in Naples in the winter and I have driven thru the gretaer Miami metro area during the high season

You correct, I live 60 miles north of Miami. But the population has increased also. All the folks from up north comming down. Houses used to sell for 80 to 90 K Now they go for 300 and up. Guess the folks up north sell their houses for mor than that and think they are getting a bargain. When I fly west I used to see farms now the are building house next to the everglades, Hank

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And you are packed like sardines in south Florida. My folks live in Naples in the winter and I have driven thru the gretaer Miami metro area during the high season You correct, I live 60 miles north of Miami. But the population has increased also. All the folks from up north comming down. Houses used to sell for 80 to 90 K Now they go for 300 and up. Guess the folks up north sell their houses for mor than that and think they are getting a bargain. When I fly west I used to see farms now the are building house next to the everglades,

The snowbirds are not selling their houses up north. You’ll notice Florida gets deserted every April. They’re all going somewhere.

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smf schrieb: Get "The Bahamas and Caribbean pilots guide", it has everything you need to know about flying and procedures. It can be found on the internet.

To be exact, at http://www.pilotpub.com/id2.html – $49.95 plus shipping. Harald

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Government issued id?

admin — Sat, 08 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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What other forms of government issued id except for passport, driver’s license or state id card are valid for boarding a plane? If I have a badge from a government agency that has my name and picture is that considered "governmnet issued"? Bob

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In the past couple years I’ve flown with people from State, Justice, Homeland Security, and HHS and they’ve all managed with just their photo badge. If yours is from a satellite office of the Department of Collectible Miniatures Assessment or something then you might want to go ahead and dust off the driver’s license. miguel — See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

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This was before the 11th, but a Delta person explained it to me once (because my license was not with me at the time, I know, check before leaving home) that anything issued by any government would be OK. Voter Reg, passport, fishing license, library card etc. At the time if you didn’t have a photo ID then a government issued something and another piece of ID worked. I actually ended up using my car insurance ID card (had the state’s name on it and my name on it and another ID and they said OK to fly. Running back to get it from the lot stunk, but I got on the plane. So, I would assume you would be ok with a badge and picture. As an aside, the photo ID or one government issued non photo and one other still appears to be in place at the airlines, this is from one site, so the library card and credit card would in theory still work, though I wouldn’t want to test it. The Airline may use these guidelines to issue the ticket and boarding pass, though I don’t believe the TSA has anything other then a Photo ID in their policies. —-start All passengers over the age of 18 are required to provide positive identification for travel at check-in. A photo ID issued by a local, state or federal government agency, or two forms of non-photo ID (at least one issued by a local, state, or federal government agency, such as a Social Security card) are acceptable forms of identification to present at check-in. If traveling outside the country, please remember to keep your passport and/or travel documents on you or in your carry-on bag at all times. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What other forms of government issued id except for passport, driver’s license or state id card are valid for boarding a plane? If I have a badge from a government agency that has my name and picture is that considered "governmnet issued"? Bob

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Just last week, a friend of mine got to the airport and discovered that he’d grabbed his wife’s passport instead of his own on his way out the door that morning. This friend doesn’t drive, so no license. He went through everything in his wallet. No picture cards or badges of any sort. The check-in agent was apparently satisfied that he was who he said he was, and she told him that security would give him the full inspection. So he got the total body wanding and had all his carry-ons searched. It was determined that he posed no threat to anyone and he got on the plane. His wife overnighted the right passport to his hotel. So the photo ID thing is mostly charade. Considering that any 16-year-old knows where to get a fake ID, it seems rather pointless.

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For an authoritative answer, check with the airline. If you’re referring to a flight that originates in the United States, you can also probably find this information on the web at http://www.tsa.gov or perhaps at http://travel.state.gov

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Short answer – yes.

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In which country? Cheers, Jason.

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Last year, my husband lost his driver’s license while we were down in Arizona. He didn’t realize it until he was checking in at the airport. The only thing with his picture on it was his Jury license from the International Bobsled and Skeleton Federation. He showed it and he was let through Security. Kitty Panza

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Dictionary definition of "abuse"

admin — Mon, 27 Oct 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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Women, if you give the ring back, you will look really good for the judge. But I doubt any judge would require you to do that, since it was a gift from the husband.

In past discussions here, it came up that quite a few times the woman bought her own ring or it was a family heirloom on her side, IOW, didn’t come from the man..

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Women, if you give the ring back, you will look really good for the judge. But I doubt any judge would require you to do that, since it was a gift from the husband. In past discussions here, it came up that quite a few times the woman bought her own ring or it was a family heirloom on her side, IOW, didn’t come from the man..

In my case I paid for the setting and we used a stone she had (grandmothers, perhaps? I don’t recall and it doesn’t matter). I didn’t get the setting back; she never offered and I never asked because I didn’t want it. The setting was indeed a gift from me to her so I feel I have no claims on it. I would not have accepted it if she had offered it to me. My ring was a custom piece of jewelry we picked out together, though I paid for it so technically it wasn’t a gift from her. I gave it back to her without thinking twice about it. The fewer things I have in my life that remind me of her the better.

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EVERYTHING comes from da man, silly girl! (If you don’t believe me, ask Andre or Ronnie44dd. Whattas a matter with you, anyway)? :-)

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Anyway, I don’t look too bad in black and white stripes and I will trust me!!!!! I would cherish the time away from him!!!

If he is this bad, you can’t leave your children to his care, I know it is tempting to get revenge on him but think of your children, they will suffer more if you went to prison. Get out, and get your children out. There are organisations for abused wives, get one on your side and have them help you work this out. Mandy

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Lemme get this straight,…you have a stay-away order,… and you’re complaining that he never comes over? You want the house,…but you want him to repair it? I get so confused.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have until Dec 3 to survive through this. At that time, we have a sole possesion of the house hearing. My lawyer and I are also filing charges as he has blatently,gone against the civil stay away order!!!! I am trying to stay here for my boys who are 19, 17 and 15 now. My 15 year old is having problems i.e. skipping school and smoking marijuanna. To my husband, it is all about money and making sure he will not have to give me one red cent or the house!!! He is neglecting his boys other than to take them camping once a month or fishing. HE IS NEVER HERE EVEN ON HIS DAYS OFF!!! I believe he is abusing his children by not being here and also not doing one thing in this house at all!!! (and I am talking about necessary repairs!) He thinks he is doing that to spite me, but it is effecting them as well!!!! He said to me last night that "He can’t believe I am still here!" because he knows he has done and said almost everything possible short of just coming out and killing me. Little does he know he almost has. He wants me to break! He knows I cant stand my house to be litterally filthy and it is daily! He wont tell the boys to do anything, because he wants to remain the good guy AT ALL TIMES! He loves it when I get into an argument with them…becuase he feels that it is pushing them to his side!!!! He wanted me , no he begged me to go to work, and now he is using that against me also with the kids! Last night he even said all I was doing was running up the lawyers bill! Meanwhile, I took him off my flight privledges (so he can no longer fly for free) and now he is trying to hold me in contempt of court as he filed a cross order after I did about taking me and the children off his insurance (which he threatened to do!) These are flight privledges and if someone is on a flight and drinks too much or makes even a wierd comment or is loud, I know of employees who have lost their free flights and some who have even been fired. My lawyer wants me to put him back on just because and I say no way!!!!! He will try and do something more to me and that would be just about it!!!!!! Why should I let him fly for free, when he took away my means of transportation…. I DONT THINK SO!!! Anyway, I don’t look too bad in black and white stripes and I will trust me!!!!! I would cherish the time away from him!!!

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The real abuse here is the abuse that you did to yourself by staying so long. I hope you can learn to love yourself as much as you deserve. bogey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How about????? Blocking you in the bathroom and kitchen under protest…not letting you out until you scream for help. How about???? Throwing coffee mugs and bottles at you How about???? Pushing you down with your body and punching you several times in the arm, back and face. Then forceably having sex with you like an ANIMAL the next night. How about??? Trying to sleep and he would wake me up with his (*&(&**(& trying to put it in while I was asleep!!! and then when I would leave to try to get sleep, he told me I wasnt allowed back in the room until I was ready to have sex with How about???? Forceably taking car keys away from you and telling you you will never drive this car again How about??? Stalking you at work and when he cant find you, driving irratically, knocking down a light pole and getting your car stuck on the cement holder. Then he came to where I work and started screaming at me and that was monitored by a supervisor in a security hallway!!! How about??? Telling your kids, your friends, and your mother you are a whore!!!! He even told the police when I called them that I was having an on going affair!!!! How about??? Taking the circut breaker out of the AC on a 90 degree day and going away for a few days and taking the timer off a whirlpool tub so you cant enjoy a 12 minute soak. How about???? Telling you and your children that you are not doing one more thing in the house until you find out if its yours and allowing the ceiling to fall in in the dining room and not even clean it up or even pick up your dirty underwear in the bathroom or do one dish,etc etc etc. Tonight he even said to me he cant believe I am still here!!!!!! because he told me to get ready for round two…. I may not survive!!!!! How about??? Telling your wife, a stay at home mom for ten years, and his children, that He was the bread winner and I did nothing for ten years but putsy around the house!!! and HOW ABOUT now after ten years of me taking care of the children totally because he worked shifts that all of a sudden now that we are getting divorced…he can get a daylight job????? Told me just wait and see who gets cutody!!!!!! How about??? Daily verbal abuse about how I look when I go to work!!!!! How about??? Him telling my sons I got a lawyer and I am jacking up his bill with what I am I am sorry….I just cant take it anymore…I had to vent here….

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Leaving ======= General guidelines for leaving a spouse in the US. So you decided to end the marriage and are leaving the house. When it comes time to leave, there are certain things you should do in a certain order, to avoid confrontations with or violence from the spouse. Here’s how to do it. Some rules to follow when doing all these things: – Be polite when working with your spouse – Be fair. Take only 1/2 of what you both own. – It may be a good idea to buy a cassette recorder and put it in your shirt pocket when talking with your spouse. This is not usually admissable in court but it will give you some leverage against the spouse if they are acting loony, violent, or unfair. If the judge asks "Do you have proof your spouse is a loony?" you can mention the tapes. – If you think the spouse will get violent, call the police. Hide around the corner and when they come to the house, then go to the house. Tell the police you need them to watch your spouse while you pack. – If the spouse attacks you (even if a wife attacks a man) MAKE A POLICE REPORT. If you don’t have proof (a police report), it will not help you. Finding an apartment Make your budget. Find out the net amount of your paycheck you bring home each month (after taxes, you can’t spend the taxes, can you?). Now subtract rent, car insurance, phone, utilities, gas, food, clothes, entertainment, and any other expenses you can think of. If you have money left over, you are doing good. If not, find places to trim expense, like don’t go to the movies, cancel cable/satellite, don’t go out to eat, eat in instead, buy a cheaper car. Now find a cheap apartment and sign a lease. Packing up – You will need to get your names off credit cards VERY quickly, that means moving out first. – Try to pack your most valuable things first, like cash, life insurance policies, stock policies, records for your bank accounts, IRAs, and other retirement accounts. Make sure you pack some pens, pencils and a notebook, you will need these later. If you have joint accounts, take the papers, copy them at the library or somewhere else, then return them to the house. – Try to pack when the other spouse is not there, like when they are not at work, or when they are shopping. Have a friend along with a video camera in case they come home early. Hide your car around the block (it could be seen down the street so don’t hide it there) or use a friends car that is not well known. Pack your stuff in the friend’s car then transfer it to your car in a place the spouse does not go. – Remember to pack a suit, you will need it for court proceedings. Assets ====== Decide what possessions to take with you. Generally the state will divide up all the assets so each spouse gets an equal share based on the current sale value of the asset (like if you sold it at a garage sale). The person who gets the house gets the value of the equity of the house, so they will get a lot less other things. Equity is the assessed value of the house minus the loan amount. It is NOT the value of the house plus the amount you spent to improve it. Generally the state allows you to keep what you had before the marriage, and allows you to keep gifts that were only to you, but this is still part of the "equal share" that the two of you get. Women, if you give the ring back, you will look really good for the judge. But I doubt any judge would require you to do that, since it was a gift from the husband. DON’T DO THE NEXT STEPS UNTIL YOU’RE ALL PACKED UP and moved out. Separating Finances The basic finance separation is in several groups: – Assets – Bank accounts – Credit cards/debit card – Retirement accounts – Loans/mortgages 1. Bank accounts First, get your own account, have the statements mailed to work or a trusted friend’s house. You don’t want these new statements discovered by the soon to be ex (STBX). When that is final, figure out what half of the cash assets would be (include all money markets, savings and checking accounts, not retirement or IRA accounts). Take half the cash and put it into your new account. Take your name off the accounts if possible. If you need their signature to do this, call a lawyer and find out if there’s another way to do this. 2. Credit Cards People often run up huge debts on credit cards in anger. First, try to take your name off all credit cards. I was the primary holder of a credit card, which meant I could put my wife’s name on it, and take it off. She couldn’t do anything. If you’re not the primary holder, AND you can’t get your name off a credit card, talk to a lawyer and find out what can be done. If you can’t do that, lower the limit on every credit card to the minimum. You should be able to do this alone, but then again the spouse could raise it up again by themselves. Talk to the CC company to find out who can do what. Try to freeze the cards so no one can use them and tell the CC company you’ve seen suspicious activity on the cards or you think you’re identity has been stolen. As a last resort, cancel the cards if necessary, but TELL THE SPOUSE. You will look bad to the judge if you don’t tell them. Send them a letter so you have paper proof that you told them. 3. Retirement accounts Just start by taking your IRA papers with you. You can sort it all out later in court. Let the other spouse keep their retirement account. 4. Loans/mortgages I don’t know how these are handled. But if you keep your name on the loan you ARE responsible for it, whether you are divorced, separated or not. Try to get your name off the mortgage, but NOT off the title to the house. This is so the other can’t default on the mortgage and ruin your credit. The Car ======= If you each have a car, take the one that you use the most. If you have one car between you, the working spouse will generally get the car. Should you buy a new one? Generally, no, unless you just purchased a brand new car in the past year. Calculate the net worth of the car will help you. Net worth=Value of the car (get it from Kelly Blue Book on the web) – any loan outstanding. Here’s an example. Car A: bought 2 years ago, valued at $15,000, loan left is $13,000, so net worth is $2000. Basically, you have $13,000 in loans to pay off. If you can’t afford it, get a used car worth less than $13,000, say around $7000. Try to make small payments. This will cause you to pay more interest over the life of the loan, but you really need the cash right now. Car B: bought 5 years ago, valued at $5000, no loan outstanding. Net worth is $5000. This is the best deal, since you have no car payment in this case. Car C: new car bought last year, valued at $24,000, loan left: $25,000, net worth=-$1000. Even though this has a net worth, you still have $25,000 left in loans to pay. This is a bad deal because if you sell the car you will still have to pay $1000 to cover the loan and you will not get any money back because it has a negative net worth. Your best bet is to get a $7000 car, pay the extra $1000. Insurance for the used car will be less than for the new car anyway. What will make you look good to the judge: – If you are fair to the other spouse. (Divide assets equally. Don’t take their favorite baseball card collection just to be mean.) – If you don’t hit them, threaten them or damage their property. – If you don’t show bizarre behavior (like damaging the other’s property) – If you keep the spouse informed, like when you cancel the credit cards. – Getting the kids out of a violent home. (You must have PROOF of this violence as a recording, or police report.) What will make you look bad: – Not going to counseling when the spouse does. – Being unfair. – Being angry in court. – If you have a serious illness, like cancer, it will really reduce your chances to get the kids. – If you have a serious illness, like depression, which is not being treated, you will have a lesser chance to get the kids. – Doing drugs. – Having a police record. – Being known as the "one who’s always screaming" by the neighbors. – Having boy/girlfriends before the divorce is final. – Trying to hide assets from the spouse. – Having an affair during the marriage. (Shows lack of commitment.) – Not being real involved with the kids. – If you don’t have a job. – If you have trouble holding a job. Abuse claims Filing a false abuse claim is now illegal in some states, and it is even enforced sometimes. Find out the status of false abuse claims, perhaps by calling the police department. — "Tis better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

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Lemme get this straight,…you have a stay-away order,… and you’re complaining that he never comes over? You want the house,…but you want him to repair it? I get so confused. We are still in the same house!!!! They would not give me an extendended PFA against him. He filed a counter and said I was acting irrationally…NO WONDER….but I am not acting irrationally other than being here taking his constant harrasment. THE ONLY REASON I STAY IS BECAUSE MY CHILDREN WANT TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE!!!!! He could repair the house, FOR THE CHILDREN! It’s not or at least shouldnt be ALL REVENGE AGAINST

ME!!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lemme get this straight,…you have a stay-away order,… and you’re complaining that he never comes over? You want the house,…but you want him to repair it? I get so confused. We are still in the same house!!!! They would not give me an extendended PFA against him. He filed a counter and said I was acting irrationally…NO WONDER….but I am not acting irrationally other than being here taking his constant harrasment. THE ONLY REASON I STAY IS BECAUSE MY CHILDREN WANT TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE!!!!! He could repair the house, FOR THE CHILDREN! It’s not or at least shouldnt be ALL REVENGE AGAINST ME!!!

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This could be a winner,…do you have an agent? …nevermind,…they’re all lawyers.

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It’s no wonder why women put up and shut up with comments like these!

SO QUIT YOUR BITCHIN, AND JUST SUE THEIR ASS!! IT’S THE LATEST NEWAGE FAD…. GO FOR THE GOLD…. "DONT WORK IT OUT……JUST SUE IT OUT!!!" (TM @BH. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED) This could be a winner,…do you have an agent? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -…nevermind,…they’re all lawyers.

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IF your children want to stay in the house regardless of the fact that he is mean to you then something is wrong. IF you want to stay in the house regardless of what HE is doing to YOU then there is something VERY WRONG!!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s no wonder why women put up and shut up with comments like these! SO QUIT YOUR BITCHIN, AND JUST SUE THEIR ASS!! IT’S THE LATEST NEWAGE FAD…. GO FOR THE GOLD…. "DONT WORK IT OUT……JUST SUE IT OUT!!!" (TM @BH. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED) This could be a winner,…do you have an agent? …nevermind,…they’re all lawyers.

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Huh? How can you even think this about the man you just previously described? I think *you* would be abusive by letting him near your kids. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe he is abusing his children by not being here

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Lemme get this straight,…you have a stay-away order,… and you’re complaining that he never comes over? You want the house,…but you want him to repair it? I get so confused.

We are still in the same house!!!! They would not give me an extendended PFA against him. He filed a counter and said I was acting irrationally…NO WONDER….but I am not acting irrationally other than being here taking his constant harrasment. THE ONLY REASON I STAY IS BECAUSE MY CHILDREN WANT TO LIVE IN THE HOUSE!!!!! He could repair the house, FOR THE CHILDREN! It’s not or at least shouldnt be ALL REVENGE AGAINST ME!!!

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I have until Dec 3 to survive through this. At that time, we have a sole possesion of the house hearing. My lawyer and I are also filing charges as he has blatently,gone against the civil stay away order!!!! I am trying to stay here for my boys who are 19, 17 and 15 now. My 15 year old is having problems i.e. skipping school and smoking marijuanna. To my husband, it is all about money and making sure he will not have to give me one red cent or the house!!! He is neglecting his boys other than to take them camping once a month or fishing. HE IS NEVER HERE EVEN ON HIS DAYS OFF!!! I believe he is abusing his children by not being here and also not doing one thing in this house at all!!! (and I am talking about necessary repairs!) He thinks he is doing that to spite me, but it is effecting them as well!!!! He said to me last night that "He can’t believe I am still here!" because he knows he has done and said almost everything possible short of just coming out and killing me. Little does he know he almost has. He wants me to break! He knows I cant stand my house to be litterally filthy and it is daily! He wont tell the boys to do anything, because he wants to remain the good guy AT ALL TIMES! He loves it when I get into an argument with them…becuase he feels that it is pushing them to his side!!!! He wanted me , no he begged me to go to work, and now he is using that against me also with the kids! Last night he even said all I was doing was running up the lawyers bill! Meanwhile, I took him off my flight privledges (so he can no longer fly for free) and now he is trying to hold me in contempt of court as he filed a cross order after I did about taking me and the children off his insurance (which he threatened to do!) These are flight privledges and if someone is on a flight and drinks too much or makes even a wierd comment or is loud, I know of employees who have lost their free flights and some who have even been fired. My lawyer wants me to put him back on just because and I say no way!!!!! He will try and do something more to me and that would be just about it!!!!!! Why should I let him fly for free, when he took away my means of transportation…. I DONT THINK SO!!! Anyway, I don’t look too bad in black and white stripes and I will trust me!!!!! I would cherish the time away from him!!!

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I can not understand why you take all that shit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How about????? Blocking you in the bathroom and kitchen under protest…not letting you out until you scream for help. How about???? Throwing coffee mugs and bottles at you How about???? Pushing you down with your body and punching you several times in the arm, back and face. Then forceably having sex with you like an ANIMAL the next night. How about??? Trying to sleep and he would wake me up with his (*&(&**(& trying to put it in while I was asleep!!! and then when I would leave to try to get sleep, he told me I wasnt allowed back in the room until I was ready to have sex with How about???? Forceably taking car keys away from you and telling you you will never drive this car again How about??? Stalking you at work and when he cant find you, driving irratically, knocking down a light pole and getting your car stuck on the cement holder. Then he came to where I work and started screaming at me and that was monitored by a supervisor in a security hallway!!! How about??? Telling your kids, your friends, and your mother you are a whore!!!! He even told the police when I called them that I was having an on going affair!!!! How about??? Taking the circut breaker out of the AC on a 90 degree day and going away for a few days and taking the timer off a whirlpool tub so you cant enjoy a 12 minute soak. How about???? Telling you and your children that you are not doing one more thing in the house until you find out if its yours and allowing the ceiling to fall in in the dining room and not even clean it up or even pick up your dirty underwear in the bathroom or do one dish,etc etc etc. Tonight he even said to me he cant believe I am still here!!!!!! because he told me to get ready for round two…. I may not survive!!!!! How about??? Telling your wife, a stay at home mom for ten years, and his children, that He was the bread winner and I did nothing for ten years but putsy around the house!!! and HOW ABOUT now after ten years of me taking care of the children totally because he worked shifts that all of a sudden now that we are getting divorced…he can get a daylight job????? Told me just wait and see who gets cutody!!!!!! How about??? Daily verbal abuse about how I look when I go to work!!!!! How about??? Him telling my sons I got a lawyer and I am jacking up his bill with what I am I am sorry….I just cant take it anymore…I had to vent here….

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How about????? Blocking you in the bathroom and kitchen under protest…not letting you out until you scream for help. How about???? Throwing coffee mugs and bottles at you How about???? Pushing you down with your body and punching you several times in the arm, back and face. Then forceably having sex with you like an ANIMAL the next night. How about??? Trying to sleep and he would wake me up with his (*&(&**(& trying to put it in while I was asleep!!! and then when I would leave to try to get sleep, he told me I wasnt allowed back in the room until I was ready to have sex with How about???? Forceably taking car keys away from you and telling you you will never drive this car again How about??? Stalking you at work and when he cant find you, driving irratically, knocking down a light pole and getting your car stuck on the cement holder. Then he came to where I work and started screaming at me and that was monitored by a supervisor in a security hallway!!! How about??? Telling your kids, your friends, and your mother you are a whore!!!! He even told the police when I called them that I was having an on going affair!!!! How about??? Taking the circut breaker out of the AC on a 90 degree day and going away for a few days and taking the timer off a whirlpool tub so you cant enjoy a 12 minute soak. How about???? Telling you and your children that you are not doing one more thing in the house until you find out if its yours and allowing the ceiling to fall in in the dining room and not even clean it up or even pick up your dirty underwear in the bathroom or do one dish,etc etc etc. Tonight he even said to me he cant believe I am still here!!!!!! because he told me to get ready for round two…. I may not survive!!!!! How about??? Telling your wife, a stay at home mom for ten years, and his children, that He was the bread winner and I did nothing for ten years but putsy around the house!!! and HOW ABOUT now after ten years of me taking care of the children totally because he worked shifts that all of a sudden now that we are getting divorced…he can get a daylight job????? Told me just wait and see who gets cutody!!!!!! How about??? Daily verbal abuse about how I look when I go to work!!!!! How about??? Him telling my sons I got a lawyer and I am jacking up his bill with what I am I am sorry….I just cant take it anymore…I had to vent here….

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Once again, here’s the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition of "abuse": Main Entry: abuse Pronunciation: &-’by

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Shanghai– A fishing-village-turned metropolis, Shanghai offers one of the best examples where the east meets the west, the Chinese meets the foreign, and the traditional meets the modern. The city equals many of the world’s metropolises in terms of the pace of life and the speed of change. A Los Angeles Times report in Sept.2001 says that, attracted by Shanghai’s glitz, more than 300,000 Taiwanese, mostly businesspeople, have settled down in the city in recent years. Chongqing– The Red Star Pavilion in the Pipasha Park, the Kansheng Pavilion in the Eling Park, and a place called Yikeshu on the Nanshan Mountain are vintage points for observing the nocturnal scenes of the mountain city of Chongqing. At night the entire city is inundated in an ocean of lights, which form a colorful three-dimensional painting, with waves of the Yangtze and Jialing rivers glistening against the moonlit, star spangled sky. Wuhan– Wuhan is described as the "Homeland of White Clouds and Yellow Crane" The Yangtze River and the Han River join here,dividing the city into three towns:Hankou, Hanyang and Wuchang. Wuhan has many scenic spots and historical sites. Among them are the 2,400 years old Zenghouyi Chime Bells known as one of the world wonders; the 1,700 yearsold Yellow Crane Tower, one of the three famous towers in South China: the East Lake whose natural beauty rivals that of the West Lake in Hangzhou;the TY Tower on Tortois Hill known as the highest mast of Asia; the ancient Guiyuan Temple, and the modern International Amusement Park. Day 1. SHANGHAI to CHONGQING Fly to Chongqing. Greeted by tour guide at the airport. Leisure time, then transfer to Regal China Cruises. Overnight at the Cruises Day 2. CHONGQING to FENGDU (B. L. D.) Departs Chongqing 8:00am. Shore excursion at Fengdu. Overnight at the Cruises Day 3. BADONG to SANDOUPING (B. L. D.) Pass through the magnificent Qutang Gorge and beautiful Wu Gorge. Transfer to a small sampan to cruise the Shennong Stream. Overnight at the Cruises Day 4. SANDOUPING (B. L. D.) Visit the Three Gorges Dam. Sail through Xiling Gorge and pass Gezhouba Dam Ship lock. Overnight at the Cruises Day 5. WUHAN to SHANGHAI (B. L.) Morning continue to sail along the Yangtze River. Arrives Wuhan 12:00N. Visit Yellow Crane Pagoda, proceed to transfer to airport and fly back to Shanghai. [Remark]: 1. Please make reservation for Spring Tour one week at least prior to the departure! 2. Tour cost for Child (below 12): 90% and 75% of the normal cost separately for occupying bed and no bed. 3. Tour cost fluctuates according to the season. TOUR COST (Per Person) $450 Single Supplement $200 DEPARTURES Sorry! There are no available tour packages for you now. Please inform us of your demands! We’ll do our best to arrange the tour package only for you

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REGAL THREE GORGES PACKAGE—-DOWNSTREAM Shanghai– A fishing-village-turned metropolis, Shanghai offers one of the best examples where the east meets the west, the Chinese meets the foreign, and the traditional meets the modern. The city equals many of the world’s metropolises in terms of the pace of life and the speed of change. A Los Angeles Times report in Sept.2001 says that, attracted by Shanghai’s glitz, more than 300,000 Taiwanese, mostly businesspeople, have settled down in the city in recent years. Chongqing– The Red Star Pavilion in the Pipasha Park, the Kansheng Pavilion in the Eling Park, and a place called Yikeshu on the Nanshan Mountain are vintage points for observing the nocturnal scenes of the mountain city of Chongqing. At night the entire city is inundated in an ocean of lights, which form a colorful three-dimensional painting, with waves of the Yangtze and Jialing rivers glistening against the moonlit, star spangled sky. Wuhan– Wuhan is described as the "Homeland of White Clouds and Yellow Crane" The Yangtze River and the Han River join here,dividing the city into three towns:Hankou, Hanyang and Wuchang. Wuhan has many scenic spots and historical sites. Among them are the 2,400 years old Zenghouyi Chime Bells known as one of the world wonders; the 1,700 yearsold Yellow Crane Tower, one of the three famous towers in South China: the East Lake whose natural beauty rivals that of the West Lake in Hangzhou;the TY Tower on Tortois Hill known as the highest mast of Asia; the ancient Guiyuan Temple, and the modern International Amusement Park. Day 1. SHANGHAI to CHONGQING Fly to Chongqing. Greeted by tour guide at the airport. Leisure time, then transfer to Regal China Cruises. Overnight at the Cruises Day 2. CHONGQING to FENGDU (B. L. D.) Departs Chongqing 8:00am. Shore excursion at Fengdu. Overnight at the Cruises Day 3. BADONG to SANDOUPING (B. L. D.) Pass through the magnificent Qutang Gorge and beautiful Wu Gorge. Transfer to a small sampan to cruise the Shennong Stream. Overnight at the Cruises Day 4. SANDOUPING (B. L. D.) Visit the Three Gorges Dam. Sail through Xiling Gorge and pass Gezhouba Dam Ship lock. Overnight at the Cruises Day 5. WUHAN to SHANGHAI (B. L.) Morning continue to sail along the Yangtze River. Arrives Wuhan 12:00N. Visit Yellow Crane Pagoda, proceed to transfer to airport and fly back to Shanghai. [Remark]: 1. Please make reservation for Spring Tour one week at least prior to the departure! 2. Tour cost for Child (below 12): 90% and 75% of the normal cost separately for occupying bed and no bed. 3. Tour cost fluctuates according to the season.