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Yes, that’s the one. The part I’m trying to remember is the way he attached the turning wheel to the small gear that sticks out of the motor. My motor has a gear that’s only about 1/4 inch in diameter, so there isn’t much to work with. Maybe I need to epoxy this to a larger item like the pulley Sandy suggested. Thanks Chas What did the turner look like? Was it the one with the motor mounted on a bookend or are you referring to something else? Walter

Fix underscore in address to reply If you are referring to the turner on the bookend then its the one I made. I didnt post the pictures to ABPF but put them on my website. I have since taken those down but can send the pictures to you if you like. What I used to attach the foam wheel to the motor was a short piece of tubing. I epoxyed the tubing to the foam and just slip it on the the motor shaft. My motor shaft was smooth however, and it was 1/4" O.D. It didnt have a gear on the end. So I am not sure if the tubing will stay put your motor shaft. On this one it works great however. I didnt want to glue the tubing to the motor because it gives me the ability to change the wheel if I want. I hope this help. Good luck. Walter

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It’s one inch PVC. He (Haag) was telling me he had it in a FF magazine article. Maybe some one in this NG has seen it. Sure worked slick. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m having a hard time visualizing this one. My motor is a small motor with a small gear sticking out one end. All that PVC stuff would be too heavy for the bearings in this motor. Thanks Chas There’s a tier with the last name of Haag. He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten. Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe. An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe. Another end cap butting against the last end cap. A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage. A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe. A support as needed. Don’t glue the pipes together. You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn. He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou Fix underscore in address to reply

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Did a quick search. The tyer’s name is John Haag. His number is (631) 286-2148. He ties at the North eastern shows. I saw him at College Park, MD, Somerset, NJ, and ashton, PA.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m having a hard time visualizing this one. My motor is a small motor with a small gear sticking out one end. All that PVC stuff would be too heavy for the bearings in this motor. Thanks Chas There’s a tier with the last name of Haag. He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten. Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe. An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe. Another end cap butting against the last end cap. A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage. A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe. A support as needed. Don’t glue the pipes together. You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn. He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou Fix underscore in address to reply

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Yes, yours was the one I was looking for. Looking at Snady’s pictures, I think I’ll try that direction for the attachment. My shaft is just too small and short for the tubing to get enough purchase.

perhaps this will help? http://192.41.19.35/austin/swedish.wav Mu

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I guess I left myself open for that one. Thanks Mu, Chas Yes, yours was the one I was looking for. Looking at Snady’s pictures, I think I’ll try that direction for the attachment. My shaft is just too small and short for the tubing to get enough purchase. perhaps this will help? http://192.41.19.35/austin/swedish.wav Mu

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I guess I left myself open for that one. Chas

Nothing personal. I was just trying to beat Wolfgang and Charlie to the punch Mu

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No luck here either. A hint in the form of the post numbers with photo attachments would be great. ….Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/ Anyone else find that this yahoo site does not work for them? I cannot access any photos. Mu Hi Mu, Same here. And I get a pop up advertising for a video camera of sorts. sPect it was a troll. DaveMohnsen Denver

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Folks, I have just posted 3 pics of a fly turner at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing. Tarpon10

No luck here either. A hint in the form of the post numbers with photo attachments would be great. ….Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/ Anyone else find that this yahoo site does not work for them? I cannot access any photos. Mu Hi Mu, Same here. And I get a pop up advertising for a video camera of sorts. sPect it was a troll. DaveMohnsen Denver

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I put some (home made turner) images at: http://montana-riverboats.com/pages/pages.php?page_title=Glue_Turner

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That’s why I couldn’t find it. Yes, yours was the one I was looking for. Looking at Snady’s pictures, I think I’ll try that direction for the attachment. My shaft is just too small and short for the tubing to get enough purchase. Thanks for your help. Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are referring to the turner on the bookend then its the one I made. I didnt post the pictures to ABPF but put them on my website. I have since taken those down but can send the pictures to you if you like. What I used to attach the foam wheel to the motor was a short piece of tubing. I epoxyed the tubing to the foam and just slip it on the the motor shaft. My motor shaft was smooth however, and it was 1/4" O.D. It didnt have a gear on the end. So I am not sure if the tubing will stay put your motor shaft. On this one it works great however. I didnt want to glue the tubing to the motor because it gives me the ability to change the wheel if I want. I hope this help. Good luck. Walter

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A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner. I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures. I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Thanks Chas Fix underscore in address to reply What did the turner look like? Was it the one with the motor mounted on a bookend or are you referring to something else? Walter

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Was it RW who designed it?

I think it was. He was answering questions on it this evening. You will have to wait until he wakes up. (or does he ever wake up?) George

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Hi, If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/ Regards

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner. I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures. I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Thanks Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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…Then fire that baby up and let ‘er rip…

…at 3 rpm. — TBone The Halfordian Golfer

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A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner. I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures. I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it?

I don’t have photos of my turner. I’ll make some this evening. I went to the local electrical supply store (where electricians buy their boxes and fixtures) and bought a low-rpm (6 rpm I believe) gear motor, for $25. I mounted that onto an angle bracket with nuts and bolts. I drilled three 1/8" holes into the rim of a 3" pulley. I put the pulley onto the shaft of the gear motor. I cut the bottom off a 5 gallon drywall bucket, leaving a 4" rim. I drilled 3 holes in the bottom of the bucket that matched the holes in the metal pulley (that’s attached to the shaft of the motor). I glued 1/2" foam onto the outside of the 4" bucket rim. Works like a champ.

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If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/

Anyone else find that this yahoo site does not work for them? I cannot access any photos. Mu

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If you go to the following group you’ll find 3 pictures of a fly curing wheel with a nice simple clutch. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flytyersbench/ Anyone else find that this yahoo site does not work for them? I cannot access any photos. Mu

Hi Mu, Same here. And I get a pop up advertising for a video camera of sorts. sPect it was a troll. DaveMohnsen Denver

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There’s a tier with the last name of Haag. He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten. Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe. An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe. Another end cap butting against the last end cap. A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage. A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe. A support as needed. Don’t glue the pipes together. You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn. He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner. I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures. I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Thanks Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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Yes, that’s the one. The part I’m trying to remember is the way he attached the turning wheel to the small gear that sticks out of the motor. My motor has a gear that’s only about 1/4 inch in diameter, so there isn’t much to work with. Maybe I need to epoxy this to a larger item like the pulley Sandy suggested. Thanks Chas What did the turner look like? Was it the one with the motor mounted on a bookend or are you referring to something else? Walter

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I’m having a hard time visualizing this one. My motor is a small motor with a small gear sticking out one end. All that PVC stuff would be too heavy for the bearings in this motor. Thanks Chas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a tier with the last name of Haag. He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten. Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe. An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe. Another end cap butting against the last end cap. A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage. A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe. A support as needed. Don’t glue the pipes together. You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn. He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou

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Can you provide a picture of your motor? George

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m having a hard time visualizing this one. My motor is a small motor with a small gear sticking out one end. All that PVC stuff would be too heavy for the bearings in this motor. Thanks Chas There’s a tier with the last name of Haag. He mounts the closed end of a PVC end cap to the motor shaft-Drill a hole in the center and two nuts with washers to tighten. Then a 2" piece of the PVC pipe. An end cap with a hole in it over the PVC pipe. Another end cap butting against the last end cap. A long bolt through the two end caps with a spring and thumb nut to adjust slipage. A long piece of PVC pipe stuck into the last end cap A styrofoam disc from the craft shop on the end of the pipe. A support as needed. Don’t glue the pipes together. You can hold the drying disc and the slip[ joiunt allows the motor to turn. He had a Bar-B-Que motor on the rig I saw. Lou Fix underscore in address to reply

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A while back someone posted some nice pictures on abpf of a home made turner. I’ve got the parts now, and I’m trrying to find those pictures. I have my own archive that must include it, but I just can’t find it. The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Thanks Chas Fix underscore in address to reply

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The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it?

Not me. I’m a theoretician. P.S. Try pulleys ans O-rings. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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R.W.? If you can send me a picture of your motor or post it on binaries, I may be able to explain how we do it. I use a lot of these motors and maybe yours is the type that has a neat solution. George

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The key idea I’m looking for is the connection between the motor’s shaft and the turning wheel. Was it RW who designed it? Not me. I’m a theoretician. P.S. Try pulleys ans O-rings. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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R.W.? If you can send me a picture of your motor or post it on binaries, I may be able to explain how we do it. I use a lot of these motors and maybe yours is the type that has a neat solution.

It’s all in the pulleys and the O-rings. Get the type of pulleys that lock down on the shaft with a screw, fitted as closely as possible to the shaft, and make the O-rings yourself, to size, with a little tension. Then fire that baby up and let ‘er rip. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I am planning a trip to Ontario this summer and want to try flyrodding for Northerns. Can anyone tell me how to rig and what lures to use. I’m experienced at pike fishing but have never tried using a fly rod. Thanks!

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Ernest, Get Barry Reynolds book Pike on the Fly from Johnson Books. Barry spends a LOT of time in Manitoba and Ontario fishing for pike with flies and his book has everything you need to get started. He also has a video called The Flyrodders Guide to Pike on a Fly that is very good. Gregg

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: I am planning a trip to Ontario this summer and want to try flyrodding : for Northerns. Can anyone tell me how to rig and what lures to use. : I’m experienced at pike fishing but have never tried using a fly rod. : Thanks! A few years ago, I got the idea that I’d like to try Northern fishing with a fly and proceeded to tie a bunch of brightly colored saltwater patterns on BIG hooks. I also bought a ten-weight rod, learned to tie a bimini twist and then didn’t manage to make the trip. Seriously, though, I think that any of the big saltwater patterns (Lefty’s Deceiver et al.) would do well.

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…I’m experienced at pike fishing but have never tried using a fly rod. Thanks!

PIKE?!? (I hate them I guess practically any fly will do… maybe you should tie a duck or a frog… they eat practically anything that moves -F-

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I am wondering how anyone whom is quick to tout their educational achievements and command of the English language can justify the below quotes. It also seems that the same poster is very quick to infer intellectual superiority often in the same post. What level of higher education is needed before you become so proficient and diverse in the use of vulgarity? In fact, is it not a contradiction to claim to be educated and to have to resort to vulgarity in writing and speech to convey rational thought? "Very notable was his distinction between coarseness and vulgarity, coarseness, revealing something; vulgarity, concealing something." Edward M. Foster I would like to thank Mike Connor for the following pearls of wisdom from his recent postings. "I do not go around sending badly spelled extremely ignorant and insulting posts to people I hardly know" [I guess he knows everyone very well] "You are just a stupid ungrateful little troublemaking fucker" "you fucking numbskull." "Some of you really do seem preoccupied with spew and shit, and stuff like that." "Another intellectual cripple who wants to fight a war of intelligence. Read my lips sonny. Go and fuck yourself." "you insufferrable piece of shit" "you are still a fucking idiot. As far as I recall, I never called you an asshole. I called you a nasty little shit." "Yet another nasty little shit reveals himself." "Do yourself a favour dickhead," "you are nothing more than a nasty little shit," "Another dumb shithead joins the pile." "What a nasty arrogant little shit you are." "You fucking arrogant shithead. Feeling left out? Head for the shit-pile, all assholes welcome" "You really are a stupid bastard." "Most disappointing that having failed to shake the logic of my arguments, you resort to attacking me personally." J.G.

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Fortenberry said all that stuff?

mercy! Mu

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Fortenberry said all that stuff?

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…….is it not a contradiction to claim to be educated and to have to resort to vulgarity in writing and speech to convey rational thought?

Huh? Wolfgang

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I would say he should be designated as "The Midnight Skulker" Strikes Again! Keep it a mystery Gooldy. Mr.G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – —–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– Hash: SHA1 I am wondering how anyone whom is quick to tout their educational achievements and command of the English language can justify the below quotes. Pardon me, but I don’t think we’ve been introduced. Who the hell are you? Gentlemen, WHBT. – —

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I am wondering how anyone whom is quick to tout their educational achievements and command of the English language can justify the below quotes

<SNIP "Most disappointing that having failed to shake the logic of my arguments, you resort to attacking me personally." J.G.

Well, the beauty of it is, I don

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Thanks very much to everyone for he responses. We’re now saturated with new information. :=) –David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re on our way to Labador (from Houston) and would like to hear from anyone who has driven their rig in the Newfoundland area. Especially interested in the tricks of the route, such as ferry experience, RV campgrounds, diesel fuel availabililty, road conditions, URLs, and any quirks you can think of that the newcomer to that area should know. Rig is 33′ fiver and one-ton pickup. I’m a dejanews fan but Google has gobbled it. –David

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Wallace McLean writes: Yes there is, from Blanc Sablon to St. Barbe.

Technically, you are correct; Blanc Sablon is in Quebec. But there is only, what, 50 miles of road into Labrador. It is very beautiful country. My meaning was that there is no ferry from any place in Quebec you can travel to by car. Last I knew, you can not drive to Blanc Sablon. Dave

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When we took the ferry in 1984, my understanding was that the ferry ended in Blanc Sablon, only because it was therefor an inter provincial ferry, and consequently was eligible for Federal subsidies! Of course, the fact that there were only about four miles of road before entering Labrador was conveniently overlooked, as that sort of thing usually is here in the states. Norm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wallace McLean writes: Yes there is, from Blanc Sablon to St. Barbe. Technically, you are correct; Blanc Sablon is in Quebec. But there is only, what, 50 miles of road into Labrador. It is very beautiful country. My meaning was that there is no ferry from any place in Quebec you can travel to by car. Last I knew, you can not drive to Blanc Sablon. Dave

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Wallace McLean writes: Yes there is, from Blanc Sablon to St. Barbe. Technically, you are correct; Blanc Sablon is in Quebec. But there is only, what, 50 miles of road into Labrador. It is very beautiful country. My meaning was that there is no ferry from any place in Quebec you can travel to by car. Last I knew, you can not drive to Blanc Sablon.

You can, however, take another ferry to Blanc Sablon from teh Quebec highway network at Natashquan. — http://members.xoom.com/labradorian

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Forgot to add: There is a ferry service twice a week from Lewisporte (NF) to Goose Bay, but it is a long trip and (I imagine) expensive. It says "car", but nothing about RVs. If I was going to "do" New Foundland with an RV, I would do Nova Scotia first. It is much more interesting than Labrador. Labrador does not have much from Baie Coumo to Lab City, and only Churchill Falls from Lab City to Goose Bay. I am talking *nothing*. But, Nova Scotia has much to do and see and would be less expensive. Plus, ya don’t have to worry about gravel roads and lumber trucks. <g Go to the web site I’ve quoted or call the 1-800 number and they should be able to get a book to you before you leave. Dave

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We drove to Newfoundland (from the west coast of Canada) in the summer of 1999. We took the ferry from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia to Port Aux Basques, Newfoundland. We drove the 900 kilometres to St. John’s. Just outside St. John’s is Cape Spear which is the most easterly point in the continent. The ferry from Nova Scotia had no problem with even the largest of RVs. You’ll pay quite a bit for such a long load but considering the exchange on the US dollar, it probably won’t hurt that much. By the way, how can you pull a huge fifth wheel with a 1 ton truck? I had the idea that Newfoundland was just a big rock with fishing villages on the edge. Was I wrong! The interior of the province reminded me a lot of my own province BC. We camped at a site on a lake near Pasadena, just north of Cornerbrook, which could have been almost anywhere in BC. It was gorgeous. The people are wonderful. They are very friendly and helpful. The roads are not a problem at all. I can’t speak about the availability of diesel but there are certainly lots of trucks around so it must be relatively easy to find. Coming back we took the ferry from Argentia (about 100 kilometres southwest of St. John’s) back to Nova Scotia. This ferry runs only in the summer months (starts June 22 this year) and takes about 14 hours under normal circumstances. It saves having to backtrack the 900 kilometres to Port Aux Basques. When we went there was quite a wind so they took several hours removing chains from the vehicles on the car deck and then putting chains on our rigs. That turned the trip into almost 24 hours. Be sure to make reservations for the ferry. Check out the Marine Atlantic web site at http://www.marine-atlantic.ca We haven’t been to Labrador but I see there is a ferry service from Newfoundland to Labrador. Check out http://www.gov.nf.ca/ferryservices/ for the routes. There seems to be one that goes from St. Anthony but it looks like it doesn’t start until July 1 and it doesn’t seem to take vehicles. The other route seems to be from St. Barbe in Newfoundland and it starts May 1 and takes vehicles. The long option would be to come through Quebec of course. Have a wonderful trip. Allan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re on our way to Labador (from Houston) and would like to hear from anyone who has driven their rig in the Newfoundland area. Especially interested in the tricks of the route, such as ferry experience, RV campgrounds, diesel fuel availabililty, road conditions, URLs, and any quirks you can think of that the newcomer to that area should know. Rig is 33′ fiver and one-ton pickup. I’m a dejanews fan but Google has gobbled it. –David

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Hi Jay, I was wondering if your the average troll or just another attention whore, It seems to me judging from your responses to people asking legitmate questions that your more of an attention whore, So which is it? (Both maybe) Regards, Boats

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Hi Jay, I was wondering if your the average troll or just another attention whore, It seems to me judging from your responses to people asking legitmate questions that your more of an attention whore, So which is it? (Both maybe) Regards, Boats

So – another WebTVer has all the answers! NOT!! Tom J

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In ‘84, we went across from North Sidney, NS to Port aux Basques, and on up the West coast of Newfoundland to At. Anthony. While up in that area, we took the ferry from St. Barbe over to Blanc Sablon, QUE. At that time the only road from there went about 50 miles up to Red Bay, and the first thirty was even paved! We only spent one night (Pinware River) due to the huge number of black flies (in August). At that time, there was a lot of archeological activity going on in Red Bay. We had an F250 pickup with a tent trailer, and there was not problem at all on the ferries. Norm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re on our way to Labador (from Houston) and would like to hear from anyone who has driven their rig in the Newfoundland area. Especially interested in the tricks of the route, such as ferry experience, RV campgrounds, diesel fuel availabililty, road conditions, URLs, and any quirks you can think of that the newcomer to that area should know. Rig is 33′ fiver and one-ton pickup. I’m a dejanews fan but Google has gobbled it. –David

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Now Tom. If you really knew anything about us "webtvers" you would know we’re called "Webbies", but since your a newbie I guess we’ll let it slide, Good luck with yor new computer, Regards "Boats"

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We went to Newfoundland in 1997 for three weeks.The island is large.It is about 500 miles across.You can see Labador when you are in the north end of the island.I would check it out but I am sure you can cross from there to Labrador by a ferry in that area.We had a great 3 weeks on the island and spent most of the time on the coast .I would say it as nice as BC coast with out the mountains. No problems finding a cg to stop for the night and the price was about 10 -25$ Most things cost more on the island but I would go again any time.The ferry cost me 450$ Canadian. This was for a return trip so that is why we stayed 3 weeks. I hope this helps some and have a good trip.. Lyle. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re on our way to Labador (from Houston) and would like to hear from anyone who has driven their rig in the Newfoundland area. Especially interested in the tricks of the route, such as ferry experience, RV campgrounds, diesel fuel availabililty, road conditions, URLs, and any quirks you can think of that the newcomer to that area should know. Rig is 33′ fiver and one-ton pickup. I’m a dejanews fan but Google has gobbled it. –David

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Rosemary Catherwood writes: You can see Labador when you are in the north end of the island.I would check it out but I am sure you can cross from there to Labrador by a ferry in that area.

What you see fron the northwest coast of New Foundland is indeed Labrador and Quebec. A ferry runs from St. Barbe to Blanc Sabon, Quebec. However, once there, you have only about 40 miles of road. The ferry to Goose Bay, Labrador leaves Lewisporte, NF twice a week and is very expensive. If it cost you $450 Canadian from Nova Scotia to NF, I should think the trip from Lewisporte to Labrador would be twice that – it is twice as far. And, unlike New Fourndland, there is little to see/do in Labrador — except fish for big brook trout. <g Dave

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Now Tom. If you really knew anything about us "webtvers" you would know we’re called "Webbies", but since your a newbie I guess we’ll let it slide, Good luck with yor new computer,

Sonny boy, I have had a computer continuously since 1974. How long have you been a WebTVer? There are some great people using WebTV but there are a great many more horses rear ends – like you!! — Tom J http://www.geocities.com/aviontravelcade/ http://www.geocities.com/tomj_ga/ Are we having fun yet?

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Hi Dave, This is a trip that we enjoyed very much from coast to coast and would go again even if it cost a lot to get there.But I said I would fly there next time from Ont Canada and rent a car and do B& B when in Newfoundland and see a lot of things we had missed the first time.You will find everyone there is very helpful. and I am sure you will have a good time. Please let us know when you return what you think of the trip after your visit to the island. PS one thing I will tell you that we did not know is that before you return to the main land they wash down your rig and you are not allowed any potatoes on the return trip.I do not know to this day why? Have a good trip . Lyle in South Ont CA. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rosemary Catherwood writes: You can see Labador when you are in the north end of the island.I would check it out but I am sure you can cross from there to Labrador by a ferry in that area. What you see fron the northwest coast of New Foundland is indeed Labrador and Quebec. A ferry runs from St. Barbe to Blanc Sabon, Quebec. However, once there, you have only about 40 miles of road. The ferry to Goose Bay, Labrador leaves Lewisporte, NF twice a week and is very expensive. If it cost you $450 Canadian from Nova Scotia to NF, I should think the trip from Lewisporte to Labrador would be twice that – it is twice as far. And, unlike New Fourndland, there is little to see/do in Labrador — except fish for big brook trout. <g Dave

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Rosemary Catherwood writes: Hi Dave, This is a trip that we enjoyed very much from coast to coast and would go again even if it cost a lot to get there.

(snip for brevity) Hi, Rosemary. Actually I was answering someone else that had plans on making the trip. I have been to NF and you are correct — it is a wonderful place to spend lots of time. I have driven to Labrador from Quebec to Labrador City/Wabush for a float-plane flyout with my grandsons to fish for enormous brook trout. There really is not much in Labrador, but NF is an entirely different story. We are new to RVing, but I am planning on NF as a destination in the future. Can’t beat the $ exchange rate either. <g Dave Dave

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Whoops, when I mentioned that it cost $450.00(Canadian) for the ferry trip between North Sydney,Nova Scotia, and Port au Basques,Newfoundland, I neglected to say that was the price of 2 passengers,in a 26 ft. motorhome,and that we sailed from Argentia,Newfoundland on the return trip.(twice the distance on the return trip) Lyle Catherwood – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re on our way to Labador (from Houston) and would like to hear from anyone who has driven their rig in the Newfoundland area. Especially interested in the tricks of the route, such as ferry experience, RV campgrounds, diesel fuel availabililty, road conditions, URLs, and any quirks you can think of that the newcomer to that area should know. Rig is 33′ fiver and one-ton pickup. I’m a dejanews fan but Google has gobbled it. –David

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In ‘84, we went across from North Sidney, NS to Port aux Basques, and on up the West coast of Newfoundland to At. Anthony. While up in that area, we took the ferry from St. Barbe over to Blanc Sablon, QUE. At that time the only road from there went about 50 miles up to Red Bay, and the first thirty was even paved! We only spent one night (Pinware

It is paved all the way east to Red Bay, and all the way west to St. Paul’s River. From St. Paul’s River west is a gravel road under reconstruction to Old Fort Bay; NE of Red Bay the gravel highway continues to Mary’s Harbour (from where you can go to Battle Harbour National Historic District by boat), and will be extended as far as Cartwright within two years. River) due to the huge number of black flies (in August). At that time, there was a lot of archeological activity going on in Red Bay. We had an F250 pickup with a tent trailer, and there was not problem at all on the ferries.

– http://members.xoom.com/labradorian

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We’re on our way to Labador (from Houston) and would like to hear from anyone who has driven their rig in the Newfoundland area. Especially interested in the tricks of the route, such as ferry experience, RV campgrounds, diesel fuel availabililty, road conditions, URLs, and any quirks you can think of that the newcomer to that area should know. Rig is 33′ fiver and one-ton pickup. I’m a dejanews fan but Google has gobbled it. –David

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Well, personally, I’ve had good luck with Labradors, indeed any retriever makes a fine pet. They’re loyal, smart (for a dog), and good companions. Newfoundlands I haven’t had any experience with, sorry. HTH Jay — * Jay Denebeim Moderator rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated *

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Dave Ellis writes: We’re on our way to Labador (from Houston) and would like to hear from anyone who has driven their rig in the Newfoundland area.

Uh, you are talking two different places. Labrador is on the main land (north and east of Quebec), while New Foundland is an island off of the Lab coast. Labrador has one road leading in and out, and that is Rt380 from Baie Comeau to Lab City. I would NOT recommend this route with an RV. It is mostly gravel and the lumber trucks are very treacherous. For info on New Foundland, e-mail addes: and phone number 1-800-563-NFLD You may find this helpful also: http://public.gov.nf.ca/tourism They will send you a nice book about the province. Good luck. HTH. d;0 Dave

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I have friends who drove the road in Labrador with an RV. The entered from Quebec then took the Ferry over to Newfoundland Isle’s. They went with friends who had a fifth wheel. They had no problems with the gravel road. I’ve talked to their tourist bureau and they indicate that TT’s/RV’s should not have a problem. Al

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave Ellis writes: We’re on our way to Labador (from Houston) and would like to hear from anyone who has driven their rig in the Newfoundland area. Uh, you are talking two different places. Labrador is on the main land (north and east of Quebec), while New Foundland is an island off of the Lab coast. Labrador has one road leading in and out, and that is Rt380 from Baie Comeau to Lab City. I would NOT recommend this route with an RV. It is mostly gravel and the lumber trucks are very treacherous. For info on New Foundland, e-mail addes: and phone number 1-800-563-NFLD You may find this helpful also: http://public.gov.nf.ca/tourism They will send you a nice book about the province. Good luck. HTH. d;0 Dave

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Al Rolle writes: I have friends who drove the road in Labrador with an RV. The entered from Quebec then took the Ferry over to Newfoundland Isle’s. They went with friends who had a fifth wheel. They had no problems with the gravel road. I’ve talked to their tourist bureau and they indicate that TT’s/RV’s should not have a problem. Al

There is only one road that leads into Labrador and that is Rt. 389 from Baie Comeau, Quebec. Most of the road is gravel and you will constantly be traveling with or against lumber trucks that throw up big stones when they are in front of you or when they pass you. I have driven it three times — I go fly fishing in Labrador every July. Rt. 389 ends in Lab City/Wabush. If you want to go farther, you use the trans-labrador highway (#500) which ends at Goose Bay/Happy Valley. ALL of Rt 500 is gravel, and although picturesque, it is a rough drive. Taking a ferry (actually it is called the iceberg cruise) from Goose Bay to New Foundland (the island) would be very expensive. There is no ferry from Quebec to New Foundland; all the ferries run from Nova Scotia. The reason there is no ferry service to/from Quebec is that there are no roads much past Sept Isles which is way the hell away from New Foundland. From the Tourist Bureau’s book: "Marine Atlantic’s modern car ferries also accommodate RVs all year round from North Syndney, Nova Scotia to Port Aux Basques in south western New Foundland. Throughout the summer, a second ferry sails from North Sydney to Argentia, bringing you to within an hour or two of St. Johns." Dave

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want to go farther, you use the trans-labrador highway (#500) which ends at Goose Bay/Happy Valley. ALL of Rt 500 is gravel, and although picturesque, it is a rough drive. Taking a ferry (actually it is called the iceberg cruise) from Goose Bay to New Foundland (the island) would be very expensive. There is no ferry from Quebec to New Foundland; all the ferries run from Nova Scotia.

Yes there is, from Blanc Sablon to St. Barbe. The reason there is no ferry service to/from Quebec is that there are no roads much past Sept Isles which is way the hell away from New Foundland.

The road goes about 300km east of Sept-Iles to Natashquan, paved the whole way. From Natashquan there is a passenger/freighter to isolated ports as far as Blanc Sablon, on which you can ship certain sized vehicles (inc. campervans) as freight. — http://members.xoom.com/labradorian

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Forgot to add: There is a ferry service twice a week from Lewisporte (NF) to Goose Bay, but it is a long trip and (I imagine) expensive. It says "car", but nothing about RVs.

Yes, you can. All types of vehicles travel on this ferry. If I was going to "do" New Foundland with an RV, I would do Nova Scotia first.

Newfoundland is one word. It is much more interesting than Labrador. Labrador does not have much from Baie Coumo to Lab City, and only Churchill Falls from Lab City to Goose Bay. I am talking *nothing*. But, Nova Scotia has much to do and see and would be

Depends on your definition of "nothing". There is plenty of great hiking, canoeing, etc. less expensive. Plus, ya don’t have to worry about gravel roads and lumber trucks. <g Go to the web site I’ve quoted or call the 1-800 number and they should be able to get a book to you before you leave. Dave

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Rosemary Catherwood writes: You can see Labador when you are in the north end of the island.I would check it out but I am sure you can cross from there to Labrador by a ferry in that area. What you see fron the northwest coast of New Foundland is indeed Labrador and Quebec. A ferry runs from St. Barbe to Blanc Sabon, Quebec. However, once there, you have only about 40 miles of road. The ferry to Goose Bay, Labrador

Actually, you have 80km west to Old Fort Bay on the Lower North Shore; 70km paved east to Red Bay, and another 80 or 90 gravel to Mary’s Harbour beyond that. leaves Lewisporte, NF twice a week and is very expensive. If it cost you $450 Canadian from Nova Scotia to NF, I should think the trip from Lewisporte to Labrador would be twice that – it is twice as far. And, unlike New Fourndland,

Here are the most recent fares for the Sir Robert Bond, which connects Lewisport Nfld with Cartwright and Goose Bay, Labrador: http://www.gov.nf.ca/ferryservices/schedules/E-bond.htm there is little to see/do in Labrador — except fish for big brook trout. <g

Depends on your definition of "little". If you have done "little" research, and have "little" energy, imagination, or interests, you will find little to do in Labrador. You’ll find the same thing in New York or Paris. — http://members.xoom.com/labradorian

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Tracey <rbranc…@mediaone.net> wrote in message

news:3A96A46C.45DF0E68@mediaone.net… > >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it > >would cause marital problems. > If *both* are involved (and are devoted to it), it doesn’t seem > like it’s a cause of problems. > — > Tracey

My mistake…I suppose there could be occasions where this would not cause problems. (shudders) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Indigo: What sailors do when they see a bar > —Funky Winkerbean—

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news:20010223130358.05491.00000364@ng-co1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >From: "B and B" > >Aaaauuugggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! > >Stay away! Stay away!!!! > >Oh, wait. You were asking about being married to an amway distributor, not > >becoming one. > >Well…I don’t know what to tell you, but given the "borg sphere" mentality > >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it would cause > >marital problems. > >Kevin Stone <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message > >news:t9d626mr61ho47@corp.supernews.com… > >> Just a fishing question here. > >> Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does they way > >> of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > >> Kevin > At the very least, this inquiry could bring up an intersting topic regarding > different professions and the effect they might have on the marriage. Amway > is one of many that has the potential to create its own set of problems within > a relationship. > jadelee

Being a phone sex operator can grate on a marriage too. And so can just about any occupation where a lot of travel is involved.

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I do not know what Amway work is. Is it a fortune 500 club? momalot – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jadelee111512 wrote: > >From: "B and B" > >Aaaauuugggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! > >Stay away! Stay away!!!! > >Oh, wait. You were asking about being married to an amway distributor, not > >becoming one. > >Well…I don’t know what to tell you, but given the "borg sphere" mentality > >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it would cause > >marital problems. > >Kevin Stone <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message > >news:t9d626mr61ho47@corp.supernews.com… > >> Just a fishing question here. > >> Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does they way > >> of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > >> Kevin > At the very least, this inquiry could bring up an intersting topic regarding > different professions and the effect they might have on the marriage. Amway > is one of many that has the potential to create its own set of problems within > a relationship. > jadelee

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Tracey wrote: > >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it > >would cause marital problems. > If *both* are involved (and are devoted to it), it doesn’t seem > like it’s a cause of problems.

That would be tres cool, if you think about it. They could sell each other stuff ad nauseam and be filthy rich in no time, right? Ponzi 1, do you take Ponzi 2 to be your lawful wedded… Drew

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> I do not know what Amway work is. Is it a fortune 500 club? > momalot

www.amway.com shepette (who used to like momalot’s posts, too bad we’ve now lost her to the underworld of amway…)

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Ahhh, I see what it is now. Thanks for the link, btw. In my area we have "Stanley" , I think it’s a lot like Amway. Not my cup a tea. momalot – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Shepette wrote: > > I do not know what Amway work is. Is it a fortune 500 club? > > momalot > www.amway.com > shepette (who used to like momalot’s posts, too bad we’ve now lost her to > the underworld of amway…)

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news:3A96B436.6E33A6DB@hotmail.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I do not know what Amway work is. Is it a fortune 500 club? > momalot > Jadelee111512 wrote: > > >From: "B and B" > > >Aaaauuugggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! > > >Stay away! Stay away!!!! > > >Oh, wait. You were asking about being married to an amway distributor, not > > >becoming one. > > >Well…I don’t know what to tell you, but given the "borg sphere" mentality > > >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it would cause > > >marital problems. > > >Kevin Stone <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message > > >news:t9d626mr61ho47@corp.supernews.com… > > >> Just a fishing question here. > > >> Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does they way > > >> of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > > >> Kevin > > At the very least, this inquiry could bring up an intersting topic regarding > > different professions and the effect they might have on the marriage. Amway > > is one of many that has the potential to create its own set of problems within > > a relationship. > > jadelee

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Run fast and far. — JWB remove spamkiller to reply via e-mail "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message

news:t9d626mr61ho47@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just a fishing question here. > Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their way > of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > Kevin

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I agree with that, but Amway is in a class by itself. Amway’s just……… creepy — JWB remove spamkiller to reply via e-mail "Jadelee111512" <jadelee111…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20010223130358.05491.00000364@ng-co1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >From: "B and B" > >Aaaauuugggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! > >Stay away! Stay away!!!! > >Oh, wait. You were asking about being married to an amway distributor, not > >becoming one. > >Well…I don’t know what to tell you, but given the "borg sphere" mentality > >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it would cause > >marital problems. > >Kevin Stone <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message > >news:t9d626mr61ho47@corp.supernews.com… > >> Just a fishing question here. > >> Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does they way > >> of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > >> Kevin > At the very least, this inquiry could bring up an intersting topic regarding > different professions and the effect they might have on the marriage. Amway > is one of many that has the potential to create its own set of problems within > a relationship. > jadelee

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On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:11:14 -0500, "B and B" <baboonnliz…@prodigy.net> wrote: >Aaaauuugggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! >Stay away! Stay away!!!! >Oh, wait. You were asking about being married to an amway distributor, not >becoming one. >Well…I don’t know what to tell you, but given the "borg sphere" mentality >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it would cause >marital problems.

Nitpick Dept: Most Borg vessels are cubes, not spheres.

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>From: "B and B" >Being a phone sex operator can grate on a marriage too. And so can just >about any occupation where a lot of travel is involved.

Those are examples of a few. Any high stress job has a potential to effect a marriage. Too many to name. We are not well prepared to handle the stressors of jobs and marriage. jadelee

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"B and B" wrote: >Being a phone sex operator can grate on a marriage too. And so can just >about any occupation where a lot of travel is involved.

I could see how a lot of travel could grate on a marriage. Mom, for example, got more than just a bit fed up being home alone with the kids while dad was always out on the road selling insurance. He finally had to give it up, trading it in for teaching highschool and regular home hours. On the other hand, a tiny bit of work travel can be good for a marriage. For example, I’m happy for the time I have with my wife, but for the three or four times a year she’s off to trade shows, I enjoy that solitude time as well. As well, there have also been at least a few of her work trips where I’ve come along, we’ve extended our stay, and made a vacation of the situation more economically than if we had to pay the full shot for travel ourselves. So to my own family experiences at least, a lot of occupational travel can add to marital stress, where as a bit of occupational travel can actually be more beneficial to a marital relationship than none at all. CJ

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Our relationshio has various small problems ie… insistence on using only Amway products (even if I don,t like that particular product) Granted Amway has some good products, But as any Company does they also have some bad ones or just plain some too expensive ones. I love my wife with all my heart, sometimes tho it seems that the Amway brainwashing borders on the ridiculous. By the way I am a former Amway brainwashee so I do know the other side and underrstand how they think. I was pretty disturbed by the way the marketing was carried out and the type of person I was turning out to be when I was involved. Thanks for all the response, keep it coming Kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– From: CupCaked <karensSP…@nac.net> Newsgroups: alt.support.marriage Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:36 AM Subject: Re: Amway > "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote: > >Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their way > >of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > That’s a VERY provocative question. May I ask what brought it about? > http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked > (and leave off the "potatoes" CupCaked <karensSP…@nac.net> wrote in message news:3aa09f57.22892148@news.nac.net… > "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote: > >Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their way > >of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > That’s a VERY provocative question. May I ask what brought it about? > http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked > (and leave off the "potatoes" to e-mail)

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I’ve always had the belief that Amway will ruin a relationship unless both partners are in it 100%. Let me guess – your wife makes next to nothing in real profit, but "will… someday" — JWB remove spamkiller to reply via e-mail "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message

news:t9frefdafcame5@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Our relationshio has various small problems ie… insistence on using only > Amway products (even if I don,t like that particular product) Granted Amway > has some good products, But as any Company does they also have some bad ones > or just plain some too expensive ones. I love my wife with all my heart, > sometimes tho it seems that the Amway brainwashing borders on the > ridiculous. By the way I am a former Amway brainwashee so I do know the > other side and underrstand how they think. I was pretty disturbed by the way > the marketing was carried out and the type of person I was turning out to be > when I was involved. > Thanks for all the response, keep it coming > Kevin > —– Original Message —– > From: CupCaked <karensSP…@nac.net> > Newsgroups: alt.support.marriage > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: Amway > > "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote: > > >Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their > way > > >of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > > That’s a VERY provocative question. May I ask what brought it about? > > http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked > > (and leave off the "potatoes" > CupCaked <karensSP…@nac.net> wrote in message > news:3aa09f57.22892148@news.nac.net… > > "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote: > > >Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their > way > > >of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > > That’s a VERY provocative question. May I ask what brought it about? > > http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked > > (and leave off the "potatoes" to e-mail)

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Hi Kevin, I’m not a distributor, but I do know a few. A co-worker was married 16 years when "they" got started in "the business". That was about 6 years ago. Their divorce was final last summer. W said he was never home and found someone to fill in the gap. Another co-worker says it ruined her daughter’s first marriage for the same reason – one of the two of them was always chasing a sale or going off to one function or another. Another couple that I know make it work, but that’s because they literally do it side by side. As I understand the way that it’s structured, it’s together….on NOT. Figuratively and literally. I hope this is somewhat of an answer for you. — – First Light @——-We are each of us angels with only one wing; and it’s when we embrace each other that we can fly.—-/—@ "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message

news:t9d626mr61ho47@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just a fishing question here. > Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their way > of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > Kevin

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The company as a whole is successful. But the people in it, overwhelmingly, are not. They get you in for a year or two, the suckers buy *everything* they use/own through amway, then they realize they are making *zero* monry, and they drop out. They seem to recruit from the lower-middle / middle class mostly. The people easiest to sell "the good life" to, as those people will believe it. The poor usually won’t, and generally won’t have the ambition the follow through (and afford the initial "kit"). But the middle class will put the kit on the credit card, charge a few suits (for the weekly "pump me ups"), and generally feel proud for awhile that they have a "business". They get nice little business cards made, and listen to Zig-Zigler tell them how great life can be. Most of them are smiling on the outside and putting up a successful "front" (wearing clothing and taking trips they cannot afford, so they can "keep up"…. really. I had several friends in Amway. They would charge a new suit, and fly to Florida for a three hour meeting, and fly home the same day. stuff they could hardly afford to do – but Amway made them feel like they couldn’t afford NOT to – it’s a bizzare company). Anyway, I’ve rambled enough. I’ve seen this company close up, and see what it does to people. It’s sad. — JWB remove spamkiller to reply via e-mail "IgOr" <ignora…@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message

news:slrn99h3mt.4j4.ignoramus@nospam.invalid… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Kevin Stone <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote: > * Our relationshio has various small problems ie… insistence on using only > * Amway products (even if I don,t like that particular product) Granted Amway > * has some good products, But as any Company does they also have some bad ones > * or just plain some too expensive ones. I love my wife with all my heart, > * sometimes tho it seems that the Amway brainwashing borders on the > * ridiculous. By the way I am a former Amway brainwashee so I do know the > * other side and underrstand how they think. I was pretty disturbed by the way > * the marketing was carried out and the type of person I was turning out to be > * when I was involved. > That’s interesting. So, what kind of brainswashing do they do? What > kinds of people do they recruit? Why are they successful? > igor > * Thanks for all the response, keep it coming > * > * Kevin > * —– Original Message —– > * From: CupCaked <karensSP…@nac.net> > * Newsgroups: alt.support.marriage > * Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:36 AM > * Subject: Re: Amway > * > * > * > "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote: > * > > * > >Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their > * way > * > >of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > * > > * > That’s a VERY provocative question. May I ask what brought it about? > * > > * > > * > > * > http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked > * > (and leave off the "potatoes" > * CupCaked <karensSP…@nac.net> wrote in message > * news:3aa09f57.22892148@news.nac.net… > * > "Kevin Stone" <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote: > * > > * > >Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their > * way > * > >of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > * > > * > That’s a VERY provocative question. May I ask what brought it about? > * > > * > > * > > * > http://www.cupcaked.com/cupcaked > * > (and leave off the "potatoes" to e-mail) > * > * > — > Don’t sweat the petty things and don’t pet the sweaty things. – George

Carlin

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As I’ve seen it described here and as I’ve seen it out here in RL, Amway is a religion of sorts. It’s things like this that make me jest the concept of religion. ISIS "IgOr" <ignora…@NOSPAM.invalid> wrote in message

news:slrn99j39n.jm9.ignoramus@nospam.invalid… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dan Kegel <d…@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote: > * First Light wrote: > * > I’m not a distributor, but I do know a few. A co-worker was married 16 > * > years when "they" got started in "the business". That was about 6 years > * > ago. Their divorce was final last summer. W said he was never home and > * > found someone to fill in the gap. Another co-worker says it ruined her > * > daughter’s first marriage for the same reason – one of the two of them was > * > always chasing a sale or going off to one function or another. Another > * > couple that I know make it work, but that’s because they literally do it > * > side by side. As I understand the way that it’s structured, it’s > * > together….[or] NOT. Figuratively and literally. > * > * Yep. Amway is a lot like a charismatic church… > * there are plenty of fine people in it, but they believe weird things > I have yet to see a "fine" person in MLM. Fine people tend to not like > lying constantly. > — > Don’t sweat the petty things and don’t pet the sweaty things. – George

Carlin

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Larry Kessler <l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t_._n_e_t> wrote in message

news:4cee9tksrq1jrfqniogd52t0emakba5sn3@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:11:14 -0500, "B and B" > <baboonnliz…@prodigy.net> wrote: > >Aaaauuugggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! > >Stay away! Stay away!!!! > >Oh, wait. You were asking about being married to an amway distributor, not > >becoming one. > >Well…I don’t know what to tell you, but given the "borg sphere" mentality > >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it would cause > >marital problems. > Nitpick Dept: Most Borg vessels are cubes, not spheres.

Depends on which star trek you are watching.

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"John Kendricks" <jd…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:3a99948c.245820765@news.cis.dfn.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Everything you have said is true. Amway (also now known as Quixtar) > preys on people who cannot afford the things or the lifestyle they > want, and brainwashes them to believe that if they will attend > frequent seminars, spend all their time listening to brainwashing > tapes, buy exclusively from amway or quixtar, and pester their > friends, relatives, coworkers, aquaintances, people in malls, etc. > nonstop, they will become fabulously wealthy. > Here are some good amway-info links: > http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/amway.html > http://skepdic.com/amway.html > http://www.apollowebworks.com/amway/ > http://www.freedomofmind.com/groups/amway/amo_qmo.htm > If anyone reading this is planning on getting involved with amway or > quixtar, or is already involved with them, reading the above links > could be the single most important thing you ever do to save yourself > much suffering, misery and agony.

I’ve found that these people who are ‘Quixtar/Amway Critics’ have no credibility at all on the subject, they are usually the most screwed-up-broke-done-nothing-in-life people I’ve ever met. Why on earth would I want to fill my head with a bunch garbage from people who have no credibility in the area of success? I seriously doubt that these people ‘got in’ then ‘quit’ (actually quit something they probably didn’t put hardly any effort toward) and then when on to be successfull fathers, husbands, entreprenuers, race car drivers or anything. I bet the the only good things they end up being good at is: justification & rationalization of why they are where they are finanically, complaining, remote control operation and butt print formation (in couch cushions). I’ve seen all sorts of different levels of success in this business opportunity and I’ve seen it actually pull dozens (probably 100s) of marriages together, and these are indirect benefits from any kind of prosperity. For postive results like these, it requires to a certain amount of effort just like any kind of business opportunity, job, church, etc. and if a person is too busy (translates to lazy) to apply himself and put forth effort than he is going to fail. This IS the best business opportunity I have ever seen it provides a level playing field for everyone. It is structured to make money and the business plan works only if you work it. Depending upon where you are personally, mentally and emotionally, you may need to learn and develop some personal and business skills that will enable you to build a successful business. So in order to succeed learn how to learn from someone who has already done what you want to do. The main goal of business is to make money and this opportunity is a great way to get the money obstacle hurdled in your life unlike most jobs out there. Jobs are simply not structured to create any kind of wealth for the employee. It IS NOT a religion, if any body tries to enforce their beliefs on you concerning your faith in your creator, they are off base. This applies to anywhere in life including your boss at your job. Good business is never built on deception and if someone is using any kind of deceptive tactics then you should address this issue directly don’t give up until you are satisfied. I’ve found that the truly successfull people in this business are very direct, honest and trustworthy; the business is structured so that success is based upon success and it is in nobody’s interest to decieve anybody. If you’re checking out this business, remember to consider the credibility of the person who is providing the information. And make sure to check it out for yourself and don’t listen to broke people or negative attitudes. Good Luck to you in what ever you decide to do -but decide to do something!

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First Light wrote: > I’m not a distributor, but I do know a few. A co-worker was married 16 > years when "they" got started in "the business". That was about 6 years > ago. Their divorce was final last summer. W said he was never home and > found someone to fill in the gap. Another co-worker says it ruined her > daughter’s first marriage for the same reason – one of the two of them was > always chasing a sale or going off to one function or another. Another > couple that I know make it work, but that’s because they literally do it > side by side. As I understand the way that it’s structured, it’s > together….[or] NOT. Figuratively and literally.

Yep. Amway is a lot like a charismatic church… there are plenty of fine people in it, but they believe weird things – Dan

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Everything you have said is true. Amway (also now known as Quixtar) preys on people who cannot afford the things or the lifestyle they want, and brainwashes them to believe that if they will attend frequent seminars, spend all their time listening to brainwashing tapes, buy exclusively from amway or quixtar, and pester their friends, relatives, coworkers, aquaintances, people in malls, etc. nonstop, they will become fabulously wealthy. Here are some good amway-info links: http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/amway.html http://skepdic.com/amway.html http://www.apollowebworks.com/amway/ http://www.freedomofmind.com/groups/amway/amo_qmo.htm If anyone reading this is planning on getting involved with amway or quixtar, or is already involved with them, reading the above links could be the single most important thing you ever do to save yourself much suffering, misery and agony.

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Just a fishing question here. Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their way of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? Kevin

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Aaaauuugggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! Stay away! Stay away!!!! Oh, wait. You were asking about being married to an amway distributor, not becoming one. Well…I don’t know what to tell you, but given the "borg sphere" mentality of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it would cause marital problems. Kevin Stone <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message

news:t9d626mr61ho47@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just a fishing question here. > Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does their way > of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? > Kevin

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>of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it >would cause marital problems.

If *both* are involved (and are devoted to it), it doesn’t seem like it’s a cause of problems. — Tracey Indigo: What sailors do when they see a bar —Funky Winkerbean—

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->From: "B and B" >Aaaauuugggghhhh!!!!!!!!!! >Stay away! Stay away!!!! >Oh, wait. You were asking about being married to an amway distributor, not >becoming one. >Well…I don’t know what to tell you, but given the "borg sphere" mentality >of everyone I have ever met who was into that I can believe it would cause >marital problems. >Kevin Stone <kdstone…@vermontel.net> wrote in message >news:t9d626mr61ho47@corp.supernews.com… >> Just a fishing question here. >> Does anyone here have a spouse who is an Amway distributor? Does they way >> of doing business or actions cause problems in your marriage? >> Kevin

At the very least, this inquiry could bring up an intersting topic regarding different professions and the effect they might have on the marriage. Amway is one of many that has the potential to create its own set of problems within a relationship. jadelee

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Things seemed to have calmed down between you and rw, yet you persist in stirring the pot once again. What is to be gained from this? "It’s useless info, totally useless info, one way or the other, just like an indentation in the Budweiser can is totally useless info to a guy quaffing a beer." While I didn’t find the "haul and load" thread of much interest, as I am likely to be the least literate and/or intelligent Roffian on the face of the Earth, it seems that several other ROFFians were quite engaged in the discussion. I rarely get involved in the more technical discussions pertaining to flyfishing, primarily because of my limited intellect, but I find it difficult to disparage others for doing so. Opie —-

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Opie writes: While I didn’t find the "haul and load" thread of much interest, as I am likely to be the least literate and/or intelligent Roffian on the face of the Earth, it seems that several other ROFFians were quite engaged in the discussion. I rarely get involved in the more technical discussions pertaining to flyfishing, primarily because of my limited intellect, but I find it difficult to disparage others for doing so. Opie —-

You shouldn’t feel that way, Op. Hell, someone is selling all my books and they have a thread about it "Pirate Book Sale". Shoot, I haven’t finished looking at all the pictures yet and someone is selling all 4 of ‘em. I just *know* Jo bought me the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. Merry Christmas Dave L.

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Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Ok, make that the second least intelligent ROFFian on Earth! — Opie –Planning for the Past–

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I just *know* Jo bought me the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures.

I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

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Charlie: I just *know* Jo bought me the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

I did! And, it *is*! Dave

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I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book.

It IS a great book. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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*know* Jo bought me the FoF Fly Pattern Enclopedia and it has lots of pictures. I hope you get that one. It looks like it would be a great book. — Charlie…

It is a great book. I hope you get a chance to visit with the editors sometime. Al and Gretchen are some of the nicest people in the fly fishing business. If anyone is going to be in the Dallas area on Jan 13, they are doing an all day seminar for the Dallas Flyfishers on that Saturday. Send me an e-mail iif you need further information. Al was the recepient of the Buzzack Award a couple of years ago, but I am not so sure that he ties any better than Gretchen. Big Dale

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It all depends on the type of fishing and the material the rod is made from. I don’t care for Bamboo rods over 7.5 feet, Fiberglass rods over 8 feet and Graphite rods over 9 feet. When fishing small streams I prefer shorter rods because you can move through the brush easier. When fishing lakes and large rivers long rods are better. Ernie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have decidet to buy Loop green line rod aftm 5-6. Only problem is the rod`s length, 8,8 feet or 9,3 feet(no 9feet )? What is the differense between these length in fishing? Im castin in a midle size river. My previously rod was 9 feet.

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For general fishing purposes the longer the rod the better, up to a certain point, so I would go for the nine foot three inch model. A great fly-caster I once knew was of the opinion that 9

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone recommend sources of "formulas" for tying leaders. I purchase a Maxima "kit" from Cabela’s which was advertised to contain "instructions" but was told by their Customer sevice rep that the mfg. does not supply such instructions. I have an old Orvis formula chart an article from Fly Fisherman which covers a few George Harvey formulas but would like to find something more extensive. Ideas? Tight Lines Ted Miller Can anyone recommend sources of "formulas" for tying leaders. I purchase a Maxima "kit" from Cabela’s which was advertised to contain "instructions" but was told by their Customer sevice rep that the mfg. does not supply such instructions. I have an old Orvis formula chart an article from Fly Fisherman which covers a few George Harvey formulas but would like to find something more extensive. Ideas? Tight Lines Ted Miller

Ted: For what it’s worth, I’ve been using George Harvey formula leaders for many years, mostly in the east but on many western rivers as well, and have found these leaders to be entirely satisfactory. Of course, on stream I end up making all sorts of adjustments, depending on what I’m fishing and what the water is like, so I’m not sure what "formula" I would have at any given time. The Harvey formulas are good starting points, however. Mark Faulkner

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Hi, One of my favorites, especially for Atlantic Salmon. 55 % Butt (heavy section)(mostly of 1 peice, can be 2) 25% Tapered Sections ( 4 short decending weights) 20% tippet (1 section) This is an easy formula to remember – 100" leader, and easy to work up or down in proportion For example 55" – 30 lb, 25" ( approx – 6" each) – 25lb, 20lb,15lb, 12lb, 20" – 8 lb. Works for me. Dennis Grant Atlantic FLy Fishing School Brookfield, NS

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Might also look at http://www.flyshop.com/Tactics/01-97Leaders/index.html for more information.

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Can anyone recommend sources of "formulas" for tying leaders. I purchase a Maxima "kit" from Cabela’s which was advertised to contain "instructions" but was told by their Customer sevice rep that the mfg. does not supply such instructions. I have an old Orvis formula chart an article from Fly Fisherman which covers a few George Harvey formulas but would like to find something more extensive. Ideas? Tight Lines Ted Miller

I noticed that some of those pocket version books such us "Guide of knots for leaders" have a lot of info that can be useful. They are laminated so you could have them with you when you are fishing. I am pretty sure you could get them in your local fishing store. Arek.

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Ted; I bought the Maxima Kit from Cabela’s three years ago and it did come with a table of tapers. Can’t imagine why they arn’t putting it in the package now. I am providing several typical taper formulas in this posting and if you want others I will follow up based on any description of use that you provide. Enjoy! Regards, Ken Table ! Maxima Chameleon Leader size to Hook Size Size Test Dia Hook 6x 2lb. .oo5 18-24 5x 3lb. .006 14-20 4x 4lb. .007 10-16 3x 5lb. .008 6-12 2x 6lb. .009 2-10 1x 8lb. .010 2/0-6 01x 10lb. .012 4/0-4 02x 12lb. .013 6/0-2 Join sections with blood knot Table 2 Maxima 60/20/20 Tapered Leader Formulas 5-7 Weight Lines 10′ Leader Test Dia Length 25 .020 40" 20 .017 27" 15 .015 (4") (5") 6" 12 (02x) .013 (4") (5") 6" 10 (01x) .012 (4") (5") 6" 8 (1x) .010 (4") (5") 6" 6 (2x) .009 (4") (5") 24" 4 (4x) .007 (4") (24") 3 (5x) .006 (24") 5-7 Weight Lines 12′ Leader Test Dia Length 25 .020 52" 20 .017 35" 15 .015 (5") 6" 12 (02x) .013 (5") 6" 10 (01x) .012 (5") 6" 8 (1x) .010 (5") 6" 6 (2x) .009 (5") 6" 4 (4x) .007 (5") (28") 3 (5x) .006 (28") 8-9 Weight Lines 10′ Leader Test Dia Length 30 .022 44" 25 .020 27" 20 .017 (5") (6") 8"" 15 .015 (5") (6") 8" 12 (02x) .013 (5") (6") 8" 10 (01x) .012 (5") (6") 24" 8 (1x) .010 (5") (24") 6 (2x) .009 (24") 8-9 Weight Lines 12′ Leader Test Dia Length 30 .022 52" 25 .020 35" 20 .017 (6") 7"" 15 .015 (6") 7" 12 (02x) .013 (6") 7" 10 (01x) .012 (6") 7" 8 (1x) .010 (6") 28" 6 (2x) .009 (28") – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone recommend sources of "formulas" for tying leaders. I purchase a Maxima "kit" from Cabela’s which was advertised to contain "instructions" but was told by their Customer sevice rep that the mfg. does not supply such instructions. I have an old Orvis formula chart an article from Fly Fisherman which covers a few George Harvey formulas but would like to find something more extensive. Ideas? Tight Lines Ted Miller

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

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John, The tippet merely extends the leader to allow for material loss during the changing of flies. It preserves the integrity of your leader. Use the same size tippet as the X# of your leader, or one size smaller if you want to extend your fly range a bit. Tight threads, Charley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated.

There are a number of different things that you can put between the end of your fly line and the fly. One of the most commonly used methods is to purchase a "tapered" leader which, in essense, includes the tippet. The tippet is basically defined as the last section of line upon which you tie your fly. After changing flies several times you’ll use up much of the end section of the leader to a point where the diameter of the line is too big and/or the leader is too short. At that time you can tie some "tippet material" (basically monofiliment that is a smaller diameter then the rest of your leader) so that you can keep using the leader portion. Some people make their own "tapered" leaders by tying short sections of progressively smaller diameter line together. The smallest diameter section is the tippet and can be replaced when needed. One of the latest "innovations" is a braided loop leader. A loop of braided material is attached to the flyline using a "chinese finger puzzle" type connection with some shrink wrap tubing. The braided loop leader is a 6′ section of tapered monofiliment with a braided loop on one end. That is looped through the loop on the flyline and then all you need to do is tie on 3′ or so of whatever pound test line that you’d like to the end of the leader for your tippet. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

A tippet is the last part of the leader. On new tapered leaders, it is the last approximately 20 inches. This is quickly used up tying on new flies, so it must be replaced with another from a tippet spool. You can vary the length and size of the tippet according to conditions (fly size, currents, water clarity, etc.) The idea is to have the tippet land between straight out (too heavy or short) and piled up (too light and long): with slight curves to allow a drag-free float, and the right amount of slack to set the hook. There is no rule to achieve this, although dividing the fly size by four is a good place to start the trial and error process. Jim Benenson Los Alamos, NM "To save your rivers, save your mountains" Emperor Yu of China, circa 1600 BC

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

John – Leaders used for fly fishing are tapered. They begin thick and end thin. The higher the "X" number, the finer the end will be. Therefore, a 9 foot, 4X leader will be very thick where you attach it to the fly line, and will taper down to a specific diameter. That diameter of line at the end of the leader is what "4X" means. The first tapered leaders were made up of several pieces of leader material tied together in successively smaller diameters until the desired terminal diameter was reached. This last piece of leader is called the "tippet". It is important, because that is the line that is closest to the fish. You can still buy or make for yourself "knotted" leaders (I make my own), but many people prefer the newer "knotless" leaders. But whether it is knotted or knotless, a leader still has a tippet at the end. And as you fish and change flies, the tippet will get used up, and the leader will get too short and too thick. So the flyfisher must be able to periodically tie a new tippet on the end of the leader, or else just replace the entire leader when the tippet is used up. The latter option is, among other things, expensive. So what should you do? If you are using knotless leaders, I suggest that you buy them one size larger (in diameter) than the tippet you want. Then tie a 2-3 foot piece of tippet on the end of the leader before you ever use it. Then you will know when the tippet is used up and can replace it before the taper of the leader is destroyed. I suggest learning to tie the double surgeons knot to attach the tippet to the leader. It is easier to tie and stronger than a blood knot. I hope this is helpful! Tight lines, Gene

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This is probably fly fishing heresy, but I’ve stopped using tapered leaders altogether when fishing streamers and wet flies. I’ve found a straight piece of 4-lb. Stren just as effective for these situations and far less prone to tangling, especially if I’m using extra weight on the leader. Plus, I spend less time tying new tippets on the tapered leaders which I really need for dry-fly and nymph fishing.

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This is probably fly fishing heresy, but I’ve stopped using tapered leaders altogether when fishing streamers and wet flies. I’ve found a straight piece of 4-lb. Stren just as effective for these situations and far less prone to tangling, especially if I’m using extra weight on the leader. Plus, I spend less time tying new tippets on the tapered leaders which I really need for dry-fly and nymph fishing.

Beyond that, I just spoke to an _excellent_ nymph fisher who uses a level line 90% of the time. He uses mostly weighted nymphs, and says the level line really turns ‘em over. BTW, this is not a joke. I saw a Cortland level line on his reel.. Cost: $7 Can you imagnine what this could do to the flyline market? Jim Benenson Los Alamos, NM "To save your rivers, save your mountains" Emperor Yu of China, circa 1600 BC

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