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I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Bloody fights at every turn… long back and forth drivel over the silliest little things.   For crying out loud… be adult.  If you don’t like what someone says… ignore it… you have the ability to alter your filters so you don’t even have to read that persons postings… You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Bloody fights at every turn… long back and forth drivel over the silliest little things. For crying out loud… be adult.  If you don’t like what someone says… ignore it… you have the ability to alter your filters so you don’t even have to read that persons postings… You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath

You spoilin’ fer a fight, lady?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a hackle? Do I? Excuse me while I look this up. I had to look it up myself. My favorite definition was "a tuft of cock feathers trimming an artificial fishing fly". I sure hope I don’t have one of *those*, especially in an "up" condition! And watch out for that hook! It would certainly make "dick-waving" more interesting for the spectators! Oh. So *that’s* where it goes. I suppose the ‘cock feathers’ should have been a give-away, but I was still thinking farmyard fowl. Maybe I can use my comb to keep it in trim. The tuft. You have feathers? <G

Um, doesn’t everybody? <VBG Quack! pavanne — For info about this service, see http://www.twwells.com/anon/ or e-mail:

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a hackle? Do I? Excuse me while I look this up. I had to look it up myself. My favorite definition was "a tuft of cock feathers trimming an artificial fishing fly". I sure hope I don’t have one of *those*, especially in an "up" condition! And watch out for that hook! It would certainly make "dick-waving" more interesting for the spectators! Oh. So *that’s* where it goes. I suppose the ‘cock feathers’ should have been a give-away, but I was still thinking farmyard fowl. Maybe I can use my comb to keep it in trim. The tuft. You have feathers? <G

Three paragraphs higher than you’re thinking. —          The opinions given above may be mine. They might also            just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

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I have a hackle? Do I? Excuse me while I look this up. I had to look it up myself. My favorite definition was "a tuft of cock feathers trimming an artificial fishing fly". I sure hope I don’t have one of *those*, especially in an "up" condition! And watch out for that hook! It would certainly make "dick-waving" more interesting for the spectators!

Oh. So *that’s* where it goes. I suppose the ‘cock feathers’ should have been a give-away, but I was still thinking farmyard fowl. Maybe I can use my comb to keep it in trim. The tuft. —          The opinions given above may be mine. They might also            just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

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I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Everyone? mom! kiwigirl is staring at me again!

hahahahahahahaha. whew. you better watch it or you’re dead at recess.   jean

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This, my dear, is ASD.  Where people with varying degrees of mental illness from across the globe cross paths in a matter unprecedented in history.  Where images and projections are given free rein, fed by the mystery of a glowing screen.  Where reality, encountered, rarely satisfies.  Where hearts are broken, behavior repeats itself, needs are laid bare, and a few of us die.  And once in a while, people fall in love, or don’t need to be here anymore.

<gasp Chimera, Where did you get this? i like it. It’s so accurate and… pretty.

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To me it boils down to the difference between being assertive and being aggressive.

Yes!! {jumping up and down] Never, ever, goggle ever (as Maria would say) can get this right. Rosena

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I am kinda curious as to why so many people’s hackles are up and feel the need to fight over a phrase, or a tone in a reply or post.

I have a hackle? Do I? Excuse me while I look this up. <Later Why would anyone think that I had combs for flax or hemp? Odd that. I’d thought it would be something completely different. You know, personal. —          The opinions given above may be mine. They might also            just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

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or else it ends up with some one telling you they think you are fake like glen told me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *shrug*  Hey… if this fighting is causing positive changes, helping vent some steam etc… it’s all good!  But from where I’m reading, it’s not, it’s destructive, and people are (A) getting hurt, or (B) getting flamed to hell for all that positive venting. To me it boils down to the difference between being assertive and being aggressive. It’s one thing to assert yourself when there’s a conflict with another person (i.e., stand your ground); it’s entirely another thing to aggress against someone else in a conflict (i.e., go out of your way to hurt that person, as is the case with flames). Trouble is, the boundary between assertiveness and aggression is kinda fuzzy, and depends at least in part on how the various individuals involved interpret a series of exchanges. What I might intend as simply "standing my ground" may be interpreted by the other person as a personal attack, and vice versa. On a related note, I tend to think that anger in and of itself is not destructive. The trick is learning how to express it in a way that does not harm the folks one is angry at. If this group offers some opportunities for learning how to deal with angry emotions in a less destructive manner, then it serves as a force for positive change. Sometimes that happens here, sometimes it doesn’t. And so it goes. Welcome to ASD. James p/e "Vision is both revelation and revolution. It is the call AND the response." — James Benjamin (2000) http://www.geocities.com/the_bokononist/

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*shrug*  Hey… if this fighting is causing positive changes, helping vent some steam etc… it’s all good!  But from where I’m reading, it’s not, it’s destructive, and people are (A) getting hurt, or (B) getting flamed to hell for all that positive venting.

To me it boils down to the difference between being assertive and being aggressive. It’s one thing to assert yourself when there’s a conflict with another person (i.e., stand your ground); it’s entirely another thing to aggress against someone else in a conflict (i.e., go out of your way to hurt that person, as is the case with flames). Trouble is, the boundary between assertiveness and aggression is kinda fuzzy, and depends at least in part on how the various individuals involved interpret a series of exchanges. What I might intend as simply "standing my ground" may be interpreted by the other person as a personal attack, and vice versa. On a related note, I tend to think that anger in and of itself is not destructive. The trick is learning how to express it in a way that does not harm the folks one is angry at. If this group offers some opportunities for learning how to deal with angry emotions in a less destructive manner, then it serves as a force for positive change. Sometimes that happens here, sometimes it doesn’t. And so it goes. Welcome to ASD. James p/e "Vision is both revelation and revolution. It is the call AND the response." — James Benjamin (2000) http://www.geocities.com/the_bokononist/

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Hey Kath, Why not just ignore and filter out the fights? I think fighting is healthy. It brings our our truest emotions to the forefront and always us to sit afterwards and learn so much more about ourselves. Fighting is a normal part of lives, can’t get around it. Sometimes it’s a fun way to release some of that pressure building up inside of us that just needs to get out. Mary Beth

I know that…  I dunno…. guess two reasons I even bothered to post about this… 1 – I’m concerned.    In my nice little world of fairies and laughter… I like to see people getting along, being supportive etc and I don’t know what’s causing the problems, the hostility etc.   2 – I hate to see the wrong people get dragged into fights simply by replying the wrong way or to the wrong post, and yes, selfishly, I am worried that I’ll get flamed to hell and back. *shrug*  Hey… if this fighting is causing positive changes, helping vent some steam etc… it’s all good!  But from where I’m reading, it’s not, it’s destructive, and people are (A) getting hurt, or (B) getting flamed to hell for all that positive venting. I’m not flaming… that’s obvious.  But I am concerned about it.  And if that’s wrong, so be it… some people don’t agree… that’s your right, just as it’s my right to express my concern about it. kath

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it’s just aprt of the asd culture… sometimes people have shitfight. happens in real life, happens here. i do the obvious and just don’t read any of it. it does help, y’know. and, for what it’s worth, i’m quite happy being a kid. stuffed if i’m going to act like an adult just to keep everyone happy! — *** DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND; THE FAULT IS WITH REALITY! Adam came first. But then, men always do. God created men because a vibrator couldn’t mow the lawn so you can make me cum — that doesn’t make you jesus icq #20581291

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Bloody fights at every turn… long back and forth drivel over the silliest little things. For crying out loud… be adult.  If you don’t like what someone says… ignore it… you have the ability to alter your filters so you don’t even have to read that persons postings… You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath

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AND I forgot to use my own doggone email addy instead of the one the sharer of this computer uses. I’M A YUTZ!!!

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You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath You spoilin’ fer a fight, lady? No i’m not.  And I’m not hassling people for posting their feelings.

Oops…fergot to turn on the flashing neon IRONY sign when I posted that.  Mea culpa.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath You spoilin’ fer a fight, lady? No i’m not.  And I’m not hassling people for posting their feelings. I am kinda curious as to why so many people’s hackles are up and feel the need to fight over a phrase, or a tone in a reply or post. This is a forum for discussion, venting etc… I get that… I just don’t know what’s changed in the atmosphere that so many people are taking things personally and fighting about things. *sigh*  maybe I just don’t get it? Sorry for bothering… kath

yah, there does seem to be quite a bit of squabbling lately. one thing about this place though, is that there is so much going on that, much of the time, it isn’t that hard to decide, "i’m not reading that type of post" — no matter whether your "that type of post" is cat posts or polls or flames — and still have plenty of other posts to read. one trick which has served me well, when i have become tired of reading the fighting, is to look for the threads which look like entwined snakes where a few people are on semi-manic replying binges and just delete those unread. anyway, hope you are doing ok. ferret, postmail

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Bloody fights at every turn… long back and forth drivel over the silliest little things.   For crying out loud… be adult.  If you don’t like what someone says… ignore it… you have the ability to alter your filters so you don’t even have to read that persons postings… You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath

Hey Kath, Why not just ignore and filter out the fights? I think fighting is healthy. It brings our our truest emotions to the forefront and always us to sit afterwards and learn so much more about ourselves. Fighting is a normal part of lives, can’t get around it. Sometimes it’s a fun way to release some of that pressure building up inside of us that just needs to get out. Mary Beth

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You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath You spoilin’ fer a fight, lady?

No i’m not.  And I’m not hassling people for posting their feelings. I am kinda curious as to why so many people’s hackles are up and feel the need to fight over a phrase, or a tone in a reply or post. This is a forum for discussion, venting etc… I get that… I just don’t know what’s changed in the atmosphere that so many people are taking things personally and fighting about things. *sigh*  maybe I just don’t get it? Sorry for bothering… kath

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Hi, Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Thanks in advance. Kang

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Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October.

Closest would be the Clackamas and Sandy, both of which run through the metro area. Closest for world class fly fishing would be the North Santiam, about an hour south of PDX

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Hi, Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Thanks in advance. Kang

Go to the Deschutes river.   You’ll have a chance to catch trout and steelhead.   Check at a couple of the fly shops in Portland.   One other fishery that will be going on is the Tillomook bay/river.  You can go for the BIG chinook in the Trask or Wilson rivers.   There are other rivers on the coast that have this same fall chinook run going on.  When you get into town call Fisherman’s Outdoor at 503-283-8310 or Great American Tackle at 503-650-2662 they can direct you in the right direction. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there a good flyfishing spot for trouts, salmon or steelhead near Portland, Oregon?  I will be visiting Portland at the end of October. Closest would be the Clackamas and Sandy, both of which run through the metro area. Closest for world class fly fishing would be the North Santiam, about an hour south of PDX

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/

Guess that just goes to show you…. I floated the section around Mill City/Lyons last weekend. Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours. Waded one bar and caught at least 10 in 20 minutes. Most in the 10"-12" range, a few dinks and one truly huge cut. Maybe the river isn’t the problem….

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Well, good for you! I didn’t have my flyrod along on Sunday, but was keeping a watchful eye for rising fish, and saw none. Guess we have different opinions on what constitutes a "World Class river." I like the N. Santiam, but have never seen it given that kind of status. Also, never have seen it listed in any "top rivers" articles. I didn’t see my experience as a "problem" as I wasn’t fishing. If I was and I heard about your success the prior day, I would readily admit that it was my problem! Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing river." I floated it yesterday and saw lots of big October Caddis flys hatching, but nary a rise. My vote would be for the Deschutes/ Guess that just goes to show you…. I floated the section around Mill City/Lyons last weekend. Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours. Waded one bar and caught at least 10 in 20 minutes. Most in the 10"-12" range, a few dinks and one truly huge cut. Maybe the river isn’t the problem….

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Wow, I surely wouldn’t call the N. Santiam a "world class flyfishing

river." Someone responsed: Caught and released well over 30 fish in 4 hours.

The North Santiam can be excellent for trout and steelhead until they start dumping lots of water out of Detroit Reservoir.  For bank fishers I would rank it behind the Deschutes, but for float fishers, there are some outstanding areas. Thomas Gilg

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Hey Bill,     Do you ever fish for them with Dries Skated on the surface? That’s a popular tactic up here on many rivers for their bigger brothers so I was just curious how well they took a skated fly. Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, September is one of the top months for these small trout sized steelhead. They are 16" and bigger with fish over 20".  Mat Johnson of Kiene’s Fly Shop caught a 27" fish this week. This is the best return we have had in 3 or 4 years. I would try from Goethe Park  downstream to Pardise Beach. Morning and evening is best when the light level in lower.  We use #5, #6 or #7 weight outfits with floating lines in the AM and PM so we can swing wet flies down and accoss to these hot fish. In the day time you can use sinktip lines or indicator fish in the riffles. We use a 9′ 3x leader. We like #8, 10 and 12 wet flies. Some popular patterns are any small steelhead pattern like the Brindle Bug, Assassin, Renegade, Coachman, Burlap and Silver Hilton.  Many trout nymphs or soft hackle wets work well like the This same fishing is happening on the lower Klamath and lower Rogue Rivers as I type this info.

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Hi All, September is one of the top months for these small trout sized steelhead. They are 16" and bigger with fish over 20".  Mat Johnson of Kiene’s Fly Shop caught a 27" fish this week. This is the best return we have had in 3 or 4 years. I would try from Goethe Park  downstream to Pardise Beach. Morning and evening is best when the light level in lower.  We use #5, #6 or #7 weight outfits with floating lines in the AM and PM so we can swing wet flies down and accoss to these hot fish. In the day time you can use sinktip lines or indicator fish in the riffles. We use a 9′ 3x leader. We like #8, 10 and 12 wet flies. Some popular patterns are any small steelhead pattern like the Brindle Bug, Assassin, Renegade, Coachman, Burlap and Silver Hilton.  Many trout nymphs or soft hackle wets work well like the This same fishing is happening on the lower Klamath and lower Rogue Rivers as I type this info.

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Really nice fly shop in Schroon Lake. Friendly, helpful shopkeeper. Adirondacks is God’s country. One warning, get repellent… the blackflies are big and hungry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to New York’s Adirondacks this July and wonder if anyone had info on fishing in the area.  I have never been there but understand there are tons of rivers.  I’ll be in the Old Forge area near the Moose River (just west of Raquette Lake).  Any info on fly shops, public access to rivers and the hatches I might expect to see in late July would be appreciated. Thanks. Steve

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I am planning a trip to New York’s Adirondacks this July and wonder if anyone had info on fishing in the area.  I have never been there but understand there are tons of rivers.  I’ll be in the Old Forge area near the Moose River (just west of Raquette Lake).  Any info on fly shops, public access to rivers and the hatches I might expect to see in late July would be appreciated. Thanks. Steve

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andrew, I am a pro photog and I have photos that you could use.  I was unable to connect to your website.   Jerry Schrader, over 30 years a pro Fine Wedding Photography http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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You know, I’ve NEVER seen one of those women land a fish….must be that scentthey put on the bait… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is my website.  I am looking for pictures of people to put up on it. I need some wilderness, fishing, camping, hiking, scenery, etc. you get the point (NO NUDE FLYFISHING WOMEN THIS TIME).  If anyone would send me their pics I will post them and give you credit.  Thanks again. Sincerely, Andrew Fulton http://wildhideaway.cjb.net

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Here is my website.  I am looking for pictures of people to put up on it.  I need some wilderness, fishing, camping, hiking, scenery, etc. you get the point (NO NUDE FLYFISHING WOMEN THIS TIME).  If anyone would send me their pics I will post them and give you credit.  Thanks again. Sincerely, Andrew Fulton http://wildhideaway.cjb.net

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I seen a FF trade show listed for Somerset NJ on Jan 22-24. Does anyone have the particulars.  Location and Hours.  Thanks Wes

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I seen a FF trade show listed for Somerset NJ on Jan 22-24. Does anyone have the particulars.  Location and Hours

Hi Wes, The flyfishing show in Somerset, New Jersey is scheduled for January 29, 30 and 31. The promoters have a website at: www.flyfishingshow.com Please check that site to confirm that these dates are correct. Regards, Anthony Ritter www.gonefishing-gs.com

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Tony it’s Rich Johnson, in your response make sure you tell these folks that Lou tabory is at our show at the Nassau Coliseum the same weekend Thanks The Fishing Line radio & TV shows RJ Productions For info on text or advertising call 516-889-6895

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I will be making my first trip to the boundry waters in early June and would appreciate any recos regarding what would be the most appropriate footwear (boots) for use during the day. I have many choices for while at camp, but, I’m uncertain as to what would be best for during the course of the day where we will be in and out of the canoe portaging. Thanks! Galen

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I have worn L.L.Bean "Bean Boots " for years and can’t say that I have seen anything better. These boots have leather uppers and rubber bottoms and are about as watertight as a ducks butt.  The basic requirements "as I see em" are: 1. Boots need to provide good ankle support, portages are sometimes "a bit on the rugged side " and two or three days from civilization with a canoe & pack to carry is no place for an ankle sprain. 2. Boots need to be reasonably water resistant. You will we wading and slogging thru mud in many places. 3. Boots need to be reasonably light and comfortable. Do not try to break in a new pair of boots on the trip, it’s no place for blisters on the feet either. Enjoy your trip to the BWCAW and E-Mail your Federal  legislators today and encourage them to defeat the Oberstar bill(see postings this newsgroup) that would reduce the wilderness protection status of the BWCAW.

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I gave up several years ago trying to keep my feet dry in the BWCA.  I bring a pair of good boots for canoeing and portaging, and a light pair of tennis shoes for camp fishing etc.  My boots are always wet after a couple portages. Scott

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I will be making my first trip to the boundry waters in early June and would appreciate any recos regarding what would be the most appropriate footwear (boots) for use during the day. I have many choices for while at camp, but, I’m uncertain as to what would be best for during the course of the day where we will be in and out of the canoe portaging. Thanks! Galen

I posted this question in rec.boats.paddle two years ago.  I got a wide range of responses, with the majority of respondents suggested hiking boots for the portages.  We did that, and we were glad we did.  A few attempts at doing the short carries in the Tevas that we wore in the canoe led to near-disasters. SInce then, some folk have reported that waterproof L.L. Bean boots served well on the trail and on the water, but I haven’t tried that.  The idea of wearing waterproof boots in a canoe doesn’t appeal to me.  It would detract from the wonerfully relaxed feeling of being on the water. Which part of the BWCA are you entering at? Charlie —                       Charles Shopsis, Dept. Chemistry                   Adelphi University, Garden City NY 11530

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I found that Teva sandals worked great when I went on my first BWCA trip last year. They are light weight, dry quickly and provide great traction when wet. Depending on the time of year and degree of difficulty of your anticipated portages you may want to consider sandals in place of boots. Chuck

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I wear nylon hip waders (snug) and my fly fishing wading boots. I can go out pretty deep, and wear whatever I want under the waders.  I stay dry.  The waders are snug and since BWCA/Quetico has very little current to deal with, I don’t think there are any big saftey concerns. My buddies all had high rubber boots, and had some trouble getting them dried out after accidnetally stepping in too deep.  They said their boots were clamy. P.

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There are many different recommendations for footware in the BWCA.   Partially it depends on where and when your trip will be. Some people just wear sneakers, others rubber boots. Frequently recommended by the experts is LL Bean’s "Maine Hunting Shoe" (rubber lower, leather upper). Myself, I’ve worn everything from cheap nylon hiking boots to Teva sandals and the Bean boots. For easy portages, the sandals are good from late July on.  But earlier than that the bugs will feast on your ankles! Something with ankle support is recommended for most portaging, especially with heavier loads or over the rougher portages. You definitely want something that will not come off in muck.  Its not unusual to have to slog through 6 inches of muck (and I’ve heard reports of people up to the waist in the muck on Yum-Yum portage!)  You don’t want to loose your shoe in a foot or two of muck when you’ve got a canoe on your shoulders! Ken — WinQwk 2.0 a#0

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I led trips in the BWCA for years and I never strayed from my K-Mart "Texas Steer" boots.  They cost like $20 and were just perfect.  Other people I know bought expensive Red Wing boots, logger boots, or gore-text quasi-hiking boots but they always fell apart. My cheap K-mart boots did the trick.  Save your money!

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Some other boots that you might look at are army combat boots.  They are lightweight and don’t cost much either. Matt Johnston Look me up on the Internet. http://www.vt.edu:10021/M/majohnst

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I will be making my first trip to the boundry waters in early June and would appreciate any recos regarding what would be the most appropriate footwear (boots) for use during the day. I have many choices for while at camp, but, I’m uncertain as to what would be best for during the course of the day where we will be in and out of the canoe portaging. Thanks! Galen

I too have spent a lot of time trying to get foot wear in the BWCAW right. What I hit upon was why fight the fact that you are going to get wet.  I use the military jungle boot and depending on the temp either wool socks or neoprene booties. Instead of trying to stay dry I expect to get wet and plan for it. It turns out that this is three season foot wear. Later, Garry

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This may already have been said, but I’ve found that boots are pretty useless while canoing and portaging in BWCAW.  You will end up having to step out of the canoe in water higher than the boot at some point (unless it’s hip waders), and I’ve tromped through sucking mud well up my shins on more than one portage.  What most of the outfitters recommend is Tevas (or the like) or aqua socks while canoing/portaging, and some dry shoes for camp.  I go ahead and bear the weight of hauling my Goretex boots in a pack – it *will* rain, and dry feet in camp can be such a comfort! Enjoy your trip to the BWCAW and E-Mail your Federal  legislators today and encourage them to defeat the Oberstar bill(see postings this newsgroup) that would reduce the wilderness protection status of the BWCAW.

Please! Jerry Houston, TX Howard Lake, MN

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Hi, a friend of mine be in Bozeman, Montana next August and he’d like to buy a Fenwick fly rod. Can anyone let me know the nearest delear??? Thanks in advance for your help. Good Fishing, Paolo

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You can buy direct from fenwick..1800642 7637 or fax 714 891 9610. call em they’ll send you a catalog

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Hi, a friend of mine be in Bozeman, Montana next August and he’d like to buy a Fenwick fly rod. Can anyone let me know the nearest delear??? Thanks in advance for your help. Good Fishing, Paolo

You might try Fenwick directly and perhaps they can direct you to likely sources.  Unfortunately, they’re not on-line on the Web yet. Fenwick 5242 Argosy Ave. Huntington Beach, CA  92649 Phone:  714-897-1066 Fax:  714-891-9610 Also, check my page at http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish and go to "Fly Fishing Dealers".  Several Montana dealers are listed and I am sure they could help also. Best Regards. Trent Roberson Rx F Fish – - – For Your Good Health, Fly Fish http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use?

I fish the Skagit on the Canadian side quite frequently. I believe that it opens July 1st though so check your regs. Also catch and release only now. I have had most of my success with basic Nymph patterns, and Mosquito immitations.Also had one great day using Royal Coachmen{hooked over 30 14-16" fish in a couple of hours fishing a back channel} never had another day like it there since though. But always do well.Try fishing with sink tip line as close to bottom as you can get in deeper runs, exspecially if water on low-clear side..                Good Luck!!

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the skagit river flows from south west British Columbia… our Government is in constant battle with the U.S. over further damming of the river which would flood one of the most Beautiful valleys in the world.

We’re good at that. The Glen Canyon of the Colorado in northern Arizona, now Lake Powell, was by all accounts and the testimony of photographs, THE most beautiful canyon in the world. Good luck.

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the skagit river flows from south west British Columbia,headwaters in the Manning Park area into a Man Made lake {Ross Lake} it is then Dammed in Washington State and then flows through Northern Washington into the Pacific.I fish it on the Canadian side only and our Government is in constant battle with the U.S. over further damming of the river which would flood one of the most Beautiful valleys in the world.

Actually, the various BC governments have *not* done battle with the US over the Skagit. The Skagit is close enough to Vancouver (which is very important politically in BC). When Seattle City Light wanted to raise Ross Dam and flood more of the Skagit, the BC government had a better idea – they built the Seven Mile Dam on the Pend d’Oreille (the Kootenays being of less importance politically), thus flooding the falls which kept coarse fish out of the Salmo River, and sold the power so SCL. — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (604) 368-9341

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  The dambuilding regieme [in particular the WAC Socreds] in British Columbia had an international reputation of "Profit first" environmentalism [comparatively, the present government is elligible for sainthood ]. One particular Rodderick H.Brown quote sets the way I used to feel about the rape of BC rivers at the expense of fish. "I hate practically everything British Columbia stands for today–the shoddy, uncaring devellopment of our natural resources, the Chamber of Commerce mentality which favors short-term material gain over all other considerations, the utter contempt for human values of any kind.  I hate and despise the trivial provincial mentality that denies Canada’s national heritage, which seeks petty advantage at cost to the common weal, which resists every vital Canadian concept and the whole range of modern knowledge and communication which can make the Canadian ideal a reality.  I apologize to the rest of Canada for this narrow lack of faith and vision."                        – Roderick Haig-Brown, June 21,1965. Actually, the various BC governments have *not* done battle with the US

over the Skagit. Water rights are pretty well Federal jurisdiction IF the despute is with a foreign country [in this case, the United States]. The Skagit is close enough to Vancouver (which is very important politically in BC). When Seattle City Light wanted to raise Ross Dam and flood more of the Skagit, the BC government had a better idea – they built the Seven Mile Dam on the Pend d’Oreille (the Kootenays being of less importance politically).

A lot of truth to this . . . When Seven Mile went in, the province was essentially being run from Howe Street in Vancouver [the financial backbone of B.C.]. Kryten// — @         0r

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Woahhh! Before you all go off fishin’ the Skagit, be aware that the

Out of curiosity, where is the Skagit? Tim

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 Out of curiosity, where is the Skagit? Tim the skagit river flows from south west British Columbia,headwaters in the Manning Park area

into a Man Made lake {Ross Lake} it is then Dammed in Washington State and then flows through Northern Washington into the Pacific.I fish it on the Canadian side only and our Government is in constant battle with the U.S. over further damming of the river which would flood one of the most Beautiful valleys in the world.

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the skagit river flows from south west British Columbia,headwaters in the Manning Park area into a Man Made lake {Ross Lake} it is then Dammed in Washington State and then flows through Northern Washington into the Pacific.I fish it on the Canadian side only and our Government is in constant battle with the U.S. over further damming of the river which would flood one of the most Beautiful valleys in the world.

If you need a US partner in blowing those damned dams on the Skagit the hell out of there, let me know.  Those damn dams gag that river.  Sadly a common story though.  However, I would be surprised if further proposed dams would ever possibly be built these days.  Thanks to interest groups, the plight of fish etc. as it relates to dams on rivers seems to be more near the front of people’s minds.   -tgades —

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R.

The Skagit River in Washington state?  You know of course that your post is read all over the world.   Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use?

To catch what?  Steelhead?  Dolly Varden?  Cutthroat?   Are you fishing low or high on the river. It’d be easier to help if you answered some of these essential questions. -tgades —

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use?

        I’m assuming that you’re fishing the upstream Canadian stretch in southwestern BC, where there is a lovely flyfishing only C & R stretch.         For all necessary info, contact Ruddick’s Fly Shop in Vancouver, tel: 604-434-2420.         I’ve fished it twice and the usual nymph patters (PTN, GRHE, Prince) and a green bodied caenis (#16 or #18) and Adams work.         Tight lines…

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. The Skagit River in Washington state?  You know of course that your post is read all over the world.  

The Skagit R. in British Columbia Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use? To catch what?  Steelhead?  Dolly Varden?  Cutthroat?   Are you fishing low or high on the river.

I’llbe fishing for Rainbows and also Dolly Varden.  I’ll be fishing at low river.                                                    Tks again                                                     Eric

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Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use? A reply would be appreciated since I’m a novice at this sport                                                    TKS.

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Woahhh! Before you all go off fishin’ the Skagit, be aware that the river does not open on the Canadian side until July 1!!!! Even then there are C&R and other restrictions, so read the regs. My son and I were fishing there last year and I was approached by some very suspicous looking individuals who claimed they were just curious to see the fish. It was interesting to note they did not look like tourists and were carrying a net and wore waders. Can we say GAME WARDENs? My point is, check the regs and be aware that I believe the river is patrolled by officials who do not announce their intentions. On a positive note, the Skagit is beautiful and deserves all the respect it can get. I understand that over the years it has been threatened by dams and netting for meat. Fortunately there are people (Ted Peck included) who have managed to protect it for us and I think we should ensure its continued protection. The Skagit ‘bows are the most beautiful I have ever seen! The valley is a piece of paradise, especially when you work your way to the West side as far away from road access as possible. B.

: Next week I’ll go fishing the skagit R. : Someone have any idea on what kind of flies I should use? : A reply would be appreciated since I’m a novice at this sport   :                                                  TKS.

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I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

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I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

Flyfishing in Norway can be both expensive and cheap. The country has with no doubt one of the worlds best and richest variety of streams, rivers, lakes and Europes longest coastline, were you can fish for both salmon and sea trout in salt water, beside of other seagoing species. The best areas for Atlantic Salmon is on the West-Coast (Vestlandet), Mid-Norway (Troendelag) and the Northern part of Norway (Nord-Norge). Even in the central part of the nation it is possible to flyfish for salmon and brown trout, if you prefer that. No guides are required (as in US and Canada, the commercial boost is not loose yet here..) Take your own gear with you. Fishing-gear is rather expensive in local shops if you compare with US& Canada-prices. There are around 400 registered rivers with Atlantic Salmon. Before fishing: You have to pay tax to the authoroties: Go to any postoffice and pay FISKERAVGIFT, 180 nkr in 1995. Aprx: 30 $. Now you can fish for salmon and seatrout in saltwater for free! Fishing in rivers: Buy FISHINGCARD. Sold from campingsites, local Tourist-offices. Most rivers: 100-200 nkr pr. day. 16-32 USD. Most expensive: West-Coast: Worst case: 30000-40000 nkr a day. Some English Lords still prefer to cash out 200000-300000 nkr for a whole week. But then they have all the river for themselves. In some rivers there are regulations on where foreigners can fish. NO BAG LIMITS. NO CATCH AND RELEASE required. Some rivers have days where the fish get to rest from fishermen. Usually Sunday-Monday. Fly patterns: My special favorite: Green Highlander. All hair-flies that are meant for salmon will go. Flies that pretend to be shrimps can be very succesfull! Colourchoosing: Ligth weather, sunny: Light coloured flies. Darker weather: Darker flies. Night: Black flies. Warm weather, warm river: Small flies. Cold river, much water: Large flies. For those who prefer bait and spoons: No foreign worms allowed. Espc. ban on German worms. No shrimps allowed. Spoons: Buck Special, Toby and Moeresilda in 20-45 grams are prefered, together with other slim spoons. Choose silverspoon in sunny weather. Green or brown spoons in darker weather. If you need any additional information on rivers, lakes or other places to fish in any part of Norway, I can provide you with more information on prices, where to go and where to call. Good luck Regards Jan Gunnar Furuly Norwegian flyfisher Ski, Norway.

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  I’m planning a trip through Europe which will include time spent in   Norway and would like all the information I can get about fly-fishing as   a foreigner. Are there any guide recommendations and what would the cost be? Where do I find out about license and regulations for waters? Are the waters private access or public? What types of tackle do most Norway rivers rate? Thanks for any help. Kim

 Flyfishing in Norway can be both expensive and cheap.  The country has with no doubt one of the worlds best and richest  variety of streams, rivers, lakes and Europes longest coastline,  were you can fish for both salmon and sea trout in salt water, beside  of other seagoing species.  The best areas for Atlantic Salmon is on the West-Coast (Vestlandet),  Mid-Norway (Troendelag) and the Northern part of Norway (Nord-Norge).  Even in the central part of the nation it is possible to flyfish  for salmon and brown trout, if you prefer that.  No guides are required (as in US and Canada, the commercial boost  is not loose yet here..)  Take your own gear with you. Fishing-gear is rather expensive in  local shops if you compare with US& Canada-prices.  There are around 400 registered rivers with Atlantic Salmon.  Before fishing:  You have to pay tax to the authoroties: Go to any postoffice  and pay FISKERAVGIFT, 180 nkr in 1995. Aprx: 30 $.  Now you can fish for salmon and seatrout in saltwater for free!  Fishing in rivers:  Buy FISHINGCARD. Sold from campingsites, local Tourist-offices.  Most rivers: 100-200 nkr pr. day. 16-32 USD.  Most expensive: West-Coast: Worst case: 30000-40000 nkr a day.  Some English Lords still prefer to cash out 200000-300000 nkr  for a whole week. But then they have all the river for themselves.  In some rivers there are regulations on where foreigners can fish.  NO BAG LIMITS.  NO CATCH AND RELEASE required.  Some rivers have days where the fish get to rest from fishermen.  Usually Sunday-Monday.  Fly patterns: My special favorite: Green Highlander.  All hair-flies that are meant for salmon will go.  Flies that pretend to be shrimps can be very succesfull!  Colourchoosing: Ligth weather, sunny: Light coloured flies.  Darker weather: Darker flies.  Night: Black flies.  Warm weather, warm river: Small flies.  Cold river, much water: Large flies.  For those who prefer bait and spoons:  No foreign worms allowed. Espc. ban on German worms.  No shrimps allowed.  Spoons: Buck Special, Toby and Moeresilda in 20-45 grams are  prefered, together with other slim spoons.  Choose silverspoon in sunny weather. Green or brown spoons in  darker weather.  If you need any additional information on rivers, lakes or other  places to fish in any part of Norway, I can provide you with more  information on prices, where to go and where to call.  Good luck  Regards  Jan Gunnar Furuly  Norwegian flyfisher  Ski, Norway.

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