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I was given my first fly rod …. a cheap cane one bought at Sears …. a Ted Williams or something, as I recall I took it to Yellowstone in 1970 on vacation and caught my first fly caught trout …. and it changed my life. What was the "value" of that old "cheap, give away’ rod?     To me, it has been priceless …. the rod, itself is long gone…. but, what it started grows faster each passing year… a love of trout, fly fishing, and the places both require About 20 years ago I gave a ‘kid" that worked for me an old Fenwick glass fly rod, I had "advanced" to graphite.    To make a long story short, he got hooked, went to school in fisheries biology, and now works for  Fish and Game.    I just got a phone call from him, to tell me where the ducks and geese where at, in case I wanted a good hunt, in a little known spot. The value of the old glass rod?…. well, what is somehing that points a young person towards a good career worth?  What is an "insider" phone call worth when the fishing gets hot?… I get several a year because of that rod. A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected." I do fish it, too, a few times each year.  It could be "collected"…  Walton Powell, wanted it for his collection when he was still alive.   But, when I get to the point where I can’t fish it, you will see me walking the banks, looking for the right person to pass it on to …. and he will be told to fish it, not collect it. Got an old rod, that you don’t really use?  Consider giving it to a "kid" …. even if it’s "just a rod" to you, it won’t be to him, if it gets him out on the streams Got a valuable collectors item …. at least consider fishing it, now and then.   Imho, that is the best way to honor it’s maker

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  A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected."

Your settings are right on the mark, Larry.

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Larry, Were you born on March 25th 1945 ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com   I was given my first fly rod …. a cheap cane one bought at Sears …. a Ted Williams or something, as I recall   I took it to Yellowstone in 1970 on vacation and caught my first fly caught trout …. and it changed my life.   What was the "value" of that old "cheap, give away’ rod?     To me, it has been priceless …. the rod, itself is long gone…. but, what it started grows faster each passing year… a love of trout, fly fishing, and the places both require   About 20 years ago I gave a ‘kid" that worked for me an old Fenwick glass fly rod, I had "advanced" to graphite.    To make a long story short, he got hooked, went to school in fisheries biology, and now works for  Fish and Game.    I just got a phone call from him, to tell me where the ducks and geese where at, in case I wanted a good hunt, in a little known spot.   The value of the old glass rod?…. well, what is somehing that points a young person towards a good career worth?  What is an "insider" phone call worth when the fishing gets hot?… I get several a year because of that rod.   A number of  years ago, a fellow, then in his 80’s,  that I barely knew gave me an E.C. Powell rod and told me it’s history.  To my "why me?" he answered, " I saw you fishing Silver Creek, and it’s rare to see a person enjoying the sport that much, I walked by you within feet and you never even noticed, you were totally absorbed, in your fishing.   The rod comes with a requirement …do no ‘collect’ this rod.   I’m giving it to you becasue I want it FISHED, not collected."   I do fish it, too, a few times each year.  It could be "collected"…  Walton Powell, wanted it for his collection when he was still alive.   But, when I get to the point where I can’t fish it, you will see me walking the banks, looking for the right person to pass it on to …. and he will be told to fish it, not collect it.   Got an old rod, that you don’t really use?  Consider giving it to a "kid" …. even if it’s "just a rod" to you, it won’t be to him, if it gets him out on the streams   Got a valuable collectors item …. at least consider fishing it, now and then.   Imho, that is the best way to honor it’s maker

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  Larry,   Were you born on March 25th 1945 ?   —   ahhh…pretty close…right age group, for sure.   but, I don’t know the significance of that date … am I being dumber than my normal, very dumb, self ???  

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The East Fork of the Carson should be in decent shape.  Nice river and it’s not too far from South Lake.  The Truckee should also be in shape. There’s a flyshop right near stateline that can point you in the right direction. Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – sorry i meant hike…i was typing faster than i can spell.  or is that sprel? Yes, and you can get free drinks at the clubs at State Line and hick a lot. The is the Lake, the Truckee and a zillion little high country ponds if you are willing to hick a bit. I’ll be in S. Lake Tahoe for a week soon.  Are there any good flyfishing opportunities within a 35 mile radiius?  I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, including any details re locations, hatches, directions, etc. Thanks in advance!!  Pat K.

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I’ll be in S. Lake Tahoe for a week soon.  Are there any good flyfishing opportunities within a 35 mile radiius?  I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, including any details re locations, hatches, directions, etc. Thanks in advance!!  Pat K.

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The is the Lake, the Truckee and a zillion little high country ponds if you are willing to hick a bit.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be in S. Lake Tahoe for a week soon.  Are there any good flyfishing opportunities within a 35 mile radiius?  I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, including any details re locations, hatches, directions, etc. Thanks in advance!!  Pat K.

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Yes, and you can get free drinks at the clubs at State Line and hick a lot.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The is the Lake, the Truckee and a zillion little high country ponds if you are willing to hick a bit. I’ll be in S. Lake Tahoe for a week soon.  Are there any good flyfishing opportunities within a 35 mile radiius?  I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, including any details re locations, hatches, directions, etc. Thanks in advance!!  Pat K.

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sorry i meant hike…i was typing faster than i can spell.  or is that sprel?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, and you can get free drinks at the clubs at State Line and hick a lot. The is the Lake, the Truckee and a zillion little high country ponds if you are willing to hick a bit. I’ll be in S. Lake Tahoe for a week soon.  Are there any good flyfishing opportunities within a 35 mile radiius?  I would greatly appreciate any recommendations, including any details re locations, hatches, directions, etc. Thanks in advance!!  Pat K.

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Hi I’m new this year to both fly fishing and fly tying.  i live in Edmonton Alberta and am trying to find people around here who are also starting out. Anyone who qualifies, please e-mail me. Ashman

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Check for local Trout unlimited chapters…….good place to start networking so to speak…….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi I’m new this year to both fly fishing and fly tying.  i live in Edmonton Alberta and am trying to find people around here who are also starting out. Anyone who qualifies, please e-mail me. Ashman

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Hi I’m new this year to both fly fishing and fly tying.  i live in Edmonton Alberta and am trying to find people around here who are also starting out. Anyone who qualifies, please e-mail me.

Edmonton eh?   You lucky dog; you get to listen to CKUA all the time.   I only get the Real Audio feed when I’m at my computer. Joe

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I have recently started fly fishing for striped bass and would like to pick up a floating line to match my 9 wt diamondback rod. I lready own an intermediate sinking line.  My question is wether to get a 9 wt or 10 wt. and also any recomendations on different lines would be great.  I have been looking at Cortland 444 big game; I have been told it is good for turning over "big flies". Any suggestions. Also I have a pair of orvis clearwater breathable waders.  And special cleaning considerations after using in salt water? Thanks, –Gerard Department of Mathematics and Statistics 16 Colchester Avenue                     phone:  (802) 656 – 3372 University of Vermont                            (802) 656 – 2940 Burlington, VT 05405-1455                  FAX:  (802) 656 – 2552

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I have recently started fly fishing for striped bass and would like to pick up a floating line to match my 9 wt diamondback rod. I lready own an intermediate sinking line.  My question is wether to get a 9 wt or 10 wt. and also any recomendations on different lines would be great.  I have been looking at Cortland 444 big game; I have been told it is good for turning over "big flies". Any suggestions.

#10 shooting head.  The rod is a little much for bass, I think.  You should get a BASTARD BAMBOO for a 7 Wt which you can load with a #8 shooting head. Just kidding about the rod having to be a GG BASTARD BAMBOO.  Any old brand will do but do consider a step down in casting power for bass.  You don’t need a light Tarpon Rod to catch bass with. George Gehrke All Writings

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BULLSHIT.

 Really Cartman? (Great handle btw) that was profound.  Care to elaborate further?

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There is also a program available called "Cookie Cruncher".  It is freeware. You can then allow cookies to be set (preventing cookies can be such a pain because of the constant messages from the browser) and delete them at the end of the session with CC. You can delete all of them or just specific ones.  Sometimes you may want to leave a cookie in place because it may contain your specific preferences about a website.  Not all cookies are bad. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How do I tell when I am being passed a "cookie" & how can I stop a site from accessing my hard drive? From what I hear they can come in and almost get your shorts size off your computer. <G Most browser have settings on whether or not to accept cookies, either with a warning or not at all. FWIW, most cookies store information about what *you* did or entered while visiting a site so you won’t have to do or enter it the next time, not the contents of your hard drive. — Charlie… Thanks. Found it on my browser & xed the box. Kiyu

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I’d like to know just what kind of invasion you think Loomis or any other site my make by using a cookie? So would I, just what kind of info are they looking for – and just who gives them the right to snoop in my computer anyway?

They don’t have the right to snoop  your HD.  And, most likely they are not.  They DO have the right to check on your activity on their site and keep track of it.  That’s what cookies do. Companies like loomis use them to keep track of their potential customers, and their activities in their web site Good point – which is why they did not get my information.  I have no intention of becoming a customer.  Let’s say you go into a fly shop and the clerk follows you around and whenever you go to look at a rod or reel or anything else he says, " before you can look at this item you have to tell me where else you have been shopping and any other information I want or you can’t look at it". Would you do business there?  If on the otherhand they ask me to fill out a survey and I have the time, I just might do that.

Shop owners keep track too.  If nobody seems interested in a particular product they won’t buy any more of it.  They may not follow you around the store, but they ARE paying attention – atleast they should be if they want to stay in business. What else would they want?  Are you keeping a pirated copy of one of their fly rods on your hard drive?  Are you distributing specs on their golf club shafts from home via the net? I am sure I have no idea what else they would want, but as long as they are not going to disclose what information they are seeking, I am not going to give them the opportunity to snoop around in my hard drive.  It’s a question of privacy.  If in order to view their products I have to open my computer up to them, I just simply am not going to look.

You don’t.  You simply accept what amounts to a text file that the site writes to every time you log in.  It beats having some poor schmuck watching logfiles on the server to see what you’re doing (another way to gather info). If Loomis really wanted to find out things about _you_ there are better ways to do it without building some devious little executable to sneak in as a cookie to scan your hard drive. Just knowing that that is possible is reason enough not to accept cookies.

Y’know, you probably don’t even realize it, but you hit sites every day, that check to see what browser you’re using and what plugins are available, and it redirects you to an appropriate file you can see.  Most sites use JavaScript to do this.  Some sites use server-side techniques to do this, but most use JavaScript.  You download it and it goes to work. Cookies aren’t a whole lot different. And hitting this newsgroup is a lot more dangerous to your system that any website.  All kinds of evil, nasty things can be spread by seemingly innocent usenet posts. And as a person who make a living from that same kind of technology, I can say that e-commerce on the web – a thing most of want to see – is almost impossible without cookies and similar technology. That is ridiculous.  I do a lot of business on the WWW, and  I do not accept cookies.  I have never had a problem with a legitimate company even if I did not accept their cookies, and I have never been locked out of a WWW business site for not accepting one before Loomis.  The only reason you want the "cookie" technology is so that you can direct your advertising dollars more wisely.  There is nothing wrong with that as long as the information given up is done so on a voluntary basis.  Most companies allow that choice.  Loomis does not.  Therefore I choose not to do business with them.  

People get, and take info about you all the time in every walk of life.   People who want to know, or need to know, can get scads of info about you without your ever knowing it. And the worst part of it is, you don’t really know what the Loomis cookie is doing, do you?  Chances are it’s only logging your activity on their site and nothing more.  What else could they possibly want to know?  What email program you use?  What good would that do them. My slant is they want to know what you’re doing so they can use it to improve their site or product line and nothing else. And if you’re son parnoid about the net, I would suggest you get off of it and try something a little more passive. </c

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This post started as a fly-fishing post (Loomis website) but has turned into a computer debate. Decide what you want to do and do it. If you want to continue this post, please move it to rec.computer.people.with.too.much.idle.time.on.their.hands.      Thanks,       Bryce

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BULLSHIT. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Before you go condemning G. Loomis, you should really make sure you really understand what cookies do.  Often times, they are simply used to track repeat visitors.  If you look at the kind of data stored in a cookie, you will see it isn’t really a big deal, and can actually be helpful… For example, the Amazon.com web site sends a cookie to its customers, and when I connect to the web site, it is able to read the cookie and know who I am, what my book and layout preferences are, and simplifies the ordering process… They really aren’t any all that dangerous to your privacy…

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How do I tell when I am being passed a "cookie" & how can I stop a site from accessing my hard drive? From what I hear they can come in and almost get your shorts size off your computer. <G Most browser have settings on whether or not to accept cookies, either with a warning or not at all. FWIW, most cookies store information about what *you* did or entered while visiting a site so you won’t have to do or enter it the next time, not the contents of your hard drive. — Charlie…

Thanks. Found it on my browser & xed the box. Kiyu

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Well, I agree that cookies aren’t very significant invasions of privacy

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Hello Fly fishing men and women !         I’m going to NS next summer, in the Cape Breton area, for camping and fishing. Please tell me of good rivers for fly fishing. Robert

As a frequent visitor to Cape Breton I can recommend the famous Margaree for salmon, but the Cheticamp and Middle Rivers are good too.  The Middle is primarily a Fall run salmon river though in the summer you can find brookies and Cape Breton’s unique strain of sea-run (Steelhead) rainbows that run the Middle River.  Though rainbows usually run in the spring.  Almost any inland pond will have good brookie fishing and most of the coastal streams get a run of sea-run brookies in summer.  Summer, be prepared for blackflies!  They can be brutal at times.  If you can put off your trip to the fall you’ll find less bugs and better fishing. Most of the salmon rivers on the island fish better in the fall, though the Cheticamp is known as a good summer river, early July best, of course depending on water levels and temps.  For camping, you can’t go wrong with a campsite at the Cape Breton Highlands National Park in Cheticamp.  They have campsites right near some of the better salmon pools on the Cheticamp River.  For real fine lodging and good meals I heartily recommend the Normaway Inn located in Margaree.  Remember to take a ride around the Cabot Trail, Cape Breton Island has some of the most breathtaking scenery to be found in Eastern North America.  Have a good trip, I love it there. Don D.

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Hi, Give us a shout back via e-mail or check out our web-page at: http://www.tightline.ns.ca We have lots of info there ! Bill Tight Lines Guide Service http://www.tightlines.ns.ca – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Fly fishing men and women !         I’m going to NS next summer, in the Cape Breton area, for camping and fishing. Please tell me of good rivers for fly fishing. Robert

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Hello Fly fishing men and women !         I’m going to NS next summer, in the Cape Breton area, for camping and fishing. Please tell me of good rivers for fly fishing. Robert

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Robert asks: Hello Fly fishing men and women ! I’m going to NS next summer, in the Cape Breton area, for camping and fishing. Please tell me of good rivers for fly fishing. Robert

Robert,  You are blessed and will enjoy the great people and friendliness there. Among the most famous rivers is the Margaree.   Margaree Forks is the preferred location.  2nd: Just inside the Cape Breton Highlands National Park just above Cheticamp is the river by the same name…and likely much less fished and with likely more fish…. Although fish enter in late June,  best is late September… so go as late as possible.  Rains. Is cool.   Be prepared.  for a free phone call you can get a whole book about most everything you ever wanted to know about Nova Scotia from tourist bureau.  from U.S. = 1-800-565-0000. Take time to enjoy the local "family" music  Have a bowl of seafood chowder at the Mabou Resturant in Mabou.  and look for fossils along the clifts and watch the eagle feed her young.   tightlines, Alan Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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[deleted] I say stick with the SLR and be extra careful. Something I do not know yet is what the ‘practical’ shock-limit is on these SLR’s.  I mean, jostling them about…sticking them here and there…is that OK ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

Tim, I would recommend putting a skylight filter on your lens. If you bump the front of your lens or scratch it, you have ruined a cheap filter and not an expensive lens. I’ve prevented expensive damage to two or three lenses this way. Just put it on and leave it. Your exposure won’t be noticably affected. Jim

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Hi Moe,

I only bring my camera when I’m hiking and fishing into a pretty, isolated area so it just goes into my daypack with everything else.  The pack stays on the bank when I go into the water.  It works out fine, and I haven’t lost the pack yet.  I don’t wear a vest, though, so I’m not sure how that would work. Dave

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Actually may soften the image and shadows in a pleasing way. Try it out!

Q: Do photographers still use Vaseline for the same effect? A: Not when they’re using a condom.  The petroleum weakens them, and they break. Be careful out there. Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly   Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a   ruggedized waterproof camera ? NO and YES. I bought a Pentax IQ zoom waterproof camera (~$250-270) for this purpose after I fell into a stream in New Zealand with my friend’s camera (ruining it and leaving me without a small camera).  I rarely carry my SLR/lenses because of weight and fear that I will ruin a zillion dollars with one false step.  This particular waterproof camera is pretty good – it is not a simple point and shoot.  I wear it around my neck all the time when fishing, and I take more pictures now. cheers,       -tgades I’ve got the same camera – a great piece of work. To bad there’s no built-in lens cap for it, but it’s 99.9999% on the way to being the perfect camera for fishing. Nice macro feature for close-ups. Pentax has a new model (IQ 110?) for more money – with a very wide angle lens for panorama shots, but this one gives up on the water- resistance feature, I think. I also carry my camera in a plastic zip-lock baggie (my wallet’s got a baggie too) just to be sure it’ll survive my next unplanned wetdown. If I’m with someone else, they learn how to shoot a picture with it in about 10 seconds.

I tried the inexpensive point and shoot.  My photos were fine, but my ex-girlfriend couldn’t take a picture of me, with my fish, without cutting my head off.  I’ve easily got 20 pictures of me with fish that aren’t up to quality for the album. At least she had other attributes… I seem to recall Outer Banks used to sell a camera bag, made for several different makes.  Essentially a ziplock attached to a lens filter. Anyone ever use one?  Probably not good for underwater shots, but I bet it’d hold up through one of my early morning baths. — Mark N. Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address.   On a side note, my grandfather aways told me you couldn’t catch fish until you got water in you waders.  I’ve ammended that to you can’t catch trophy fish until you’ve ruined the camera.  His maxim still holds true though.

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(But, being prone to being prone…

Priceless ! — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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[deleted] I say stick with the SLR and be extra careful.

Something I do not know yet is what the ‘practical’ shock-limit is on these SLR’s.  I mean, jostling them about…sticking them here and there…is that OK ?   — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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DENNIS VICK responds: Well I hate to mention this in a family area, but condoms work just

great for protecting your SLR from the environment(non-ribbed type!) and you can still use the buttons, etc. And if you use the colored ones, It creates Great visual filter effects, Right?  Now, if they only made polorized ones for under water shots..;)

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[deleted] I say stick with the SLR and be extra careful. Something I do not know yet is what the ‘practical’ shock-limit is on these SLR’s.  I mean, jostling them about…sticking them here and there…is that OK ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

The better models in almost all camera makers lines are very shock resistant. Nikon F series, Pentax K series, Olympus OM, Cannon F series. If you keep your gear in a well padded and designed bag it will take a drop from body height without any problem. Zoom lenses can be the exception I have had them break when I rolled a bag of gear down a stairs. They can’t handle a blow head on. If you are really rough or travel a log get a hard case. I have run over my hard case with my truck without damage…….woops. If you do dunk a high quality slr equipment in a river get it to a camera repair person as soon as possible. If you dunk it good in saltwater look for a new camera. In using your camera. Remove from well padded case put strap over neck then make your pictures, change your film etc. Never set your gear on the trunk of your car. If you need a clean surface set your gear on the driver’s side hood. If you are hiking around rocks and need quick access to your camera keep it around your neck with the lens facing your body. This is photojournalist style. If you have been working in a dusty area use canned air to remove dust. I don’t care where you put your lens cap but make a habbit of putting it in the same place every time. All the Best, Michael Smith

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. but that is not why I post… How do you deal with an expensive electronic ridden camera as a component of your flyfishing equipment ?.  As I was preparing for ….etc…. — TimW Halfordian Golfer      Tim – I carry a small 35mm auto-everything camera with me, and I protect it by putting it in a sturdy ziplock bag. Just before you close the last little corner of the ziplock, wrap your lips around it tightly and suck out the air in the bag; then quickly close the seal. This sort of molds to bag to the camera – you can even take a decent shot with the bag still on the camera in desperate circumstances. It has worked for me for many, many years.     In rereading this I see I have left myself wide open to your brand of humor, Tim. Try to restrain yourself, I am a respectable old lady of 66 [but still fishing!].      

Thank goodness you realize it as the harmless humor that it is …life is too short not to laugh…laugh loud and laugh often… Thanks very much for the tip and I will not take advantage of the obvious cheap shot that you left me and my devils workshop…   — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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MS How do you deal with an expensive electronic ridden camera as a MS component of your flyfishing equipment ?.  As I was preparing for MS the day on the river on Saturday, my vest could carry water or MS the camera, but not both, and I did not want another bag. MS Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a MS ruggedized waterproof camera ?  Perhaps the fishing stuff stays MS home and only the photography equipment makes the truck ride MS next time. Well I hate to mention this in a family area, but condoms work just great for protecting your SLR from the environment(non-ribbed type!) and you can still use the buttons, etc.

You either have a really small camera or a really big asdfj NO CARRIER                                                 John Fereira

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DD Actually may soften the DD image and shadows in a pleasing way. Try it out! DD DD Q: Do photographers still use Vaseline for the same effect? DD DD A: Not when they’re using a condom.  The petroleum weakens them, and they DD break. Be careful out there. Oh man, I knew I forgot something important in the original post, and now I remember it… Be certain to buy the UNLUBRICATED version of the condom for use with your cameras! Now for the photography question. YES, wedding photographers still do this on occasion, but usually on a screw on filter instead of the actual lense, at least after their first try. I have also made many different special effects in the past by fooling with things on the filter. You can create a split-image rangefinder of sorts by a solid black stripe right down the middle of your filter for instance. Doesn’t show on the final image at all. Filters may be purchased with scored perpendicular lines on the called "starfire" filters which create incredble star highlights from candles, sunlight reflections off the water, etc. Dennis Vick … nfx v2.6 [C0000]                                                        

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[deleted] I say stick with the SLR and be extra careful. Something I do not know yet is what the ‘practical’ shock-limit is on these SLR’s.  I mean, jostling them about…sticking them here and there…is that OK ?

It probably depends on the model.  My Canon has been on every backpacking trip I’ve been on in the past couple years and accompanies me on most fishing trips.  So far, I haven’t managed to even put a scratch on it.  If it is raining, I can take it out, take a picture, whipe the rain off, and put it back in the case with no harm done.  One of these times, I’m sure I’ll take a nasty tumble and kill it, but so far so good.   Later,      - Ken — Ken Janik Oregon State University Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – MS How do you deal with an expensive electronic ridden camera as a MS component of your flyfishing equipment ?.  As I was preparing for MS the day on the river on Saturday, my vest could carry water or MS the camera, but not both, and I did not want another bag. MS Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a MS ruggedized waterproof camera ?  Perhaps the fishing stuff stays MS home and only the photography equipment makes the truck ride MS next time. Well I hate to mention this in a family area, but condoms work just great for protecting your SLR from the environment(non-ribbed type!) and you can still use the buttons, etc. Good Lord, I hate to see the reponse from this one…but I AM SERIOUS. BTW, be sure to buy a good name brand. Leaks in these things can be pretty devastating. I swear, I am serious, Try it…….really! These things will blow up to 6′ diameter. No problem with a little camera. Stretch the material over the lense part so its close to clear. Why am I explaining this to you anyway, didn’t your parents tell you anything! Teachers, clergy, planned parenthood? Oh heck, just have fun. It works!

Interesting… You shoot through the stretched latex ???? I can really see explaining the condoms to my wife as I head out the door for a weeks fishing in Idaho… "Really honey, they are, uh, for my, uh, camera…!!!" This is a family area ?   Scary, as you can be in alt.things.even.your.mama.never.told.you in about 3 mouse clicks… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Moe, I have a Nikon FG and a Nikon F70, both of which cause me to cring a little when I bring them close to the water. I enjoy the artistic element of using an SLR too much to justify getting a waterproof auto camera. I have thus run into your problem. So far I have handled it by only taking the camera out of the car for dedicated photo shoots. I try to avoid wading with the camera if possible. When I’m done I get the rod out again and enjoy the fishing.  Last year my sis’ accompanied me on a trip and I got her to take some photos of me from the bank while I was wading. I say stick with the SLR and be extra careful. Paul

I’ll second the sticking with the SLR.  I have a Canon Elan.  I went to G.I. Joe’s and got a small (6"x7"x2") canvas bag.  It’s not waterproof, but it keeps the rain out.  It’ll hold the body and one lens, detached of course.  I wrap them both in ziplock freezer bags and throw those little water absorption pads that come with most electronic equipment in with them (you know, the ones that advise not eating them).  Most electonic stores will give them away from the packaging of their floor models. I attach it to my vest or backpack with a carbeaner(SP?), but if the wading looks too risky I’ll leave it on the bank of the river.  Yes, I tend to fish in VERY isolated areas, do not try this in more crowded areas. My $0.02,      - Ken — Ken Janik Oregon State University Dept of Electrical and Computer Engineering

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Hi. but that is not why I post… How do you deal with an expensive electronic ridden camera as a component of your flyfishing equipment ?.  As I was preparing for ….etc…. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

     Tim – I carry a small 35mm auto-everything camera with me, and I protect it by putting it in a sturdy ziplock bag. Just before you close the last little corner of the ziplock, wrap your lips around it tightly and suck out the air in the bag; then quickly close the seal. This sort of molds to bag to the camera – you can even take a decent shot with the bag still on the camera in desperate circumstances. It has worked for me for many, many years.     In rereading this I see I have left myself wide open to your brand of humor, Tim. Try to restrain yourself, I am a respectable old lady of 66 [but still fishing!].       Louise Scharrenberg

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BD Well I hate to mention this in a family area, but condoms work just great BD protecting your SLR from the environment(non-ribbed type!) and you can sti BD use the buttons, etc. BD BD You either have a really small camera or a really big No big thing Roger.  Without getting too detailed, I have actually seen these things blown up to 5′ diameters and paper macheyed(sp?) in the old "phyche shops" of the 60’s. Pretty scary under black lights with flourescent posters and incense burning… Dennis Vick … nfx v2.6 [C0000]                                                        

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MS Interesting… MS MS You shoot through the stretched latex ???? Yep! You stretch it over the lense until it becomes pretty clear. Don’t have the technical reason for you, but cameras tend to ignore things that are very close to the lense. I have shot right thorough chain link fences for instance with no noticeable affect provided I was close enough. Actually may soften the image and shadows in a pleasing way. Try it out! MS I can really see explaining the condoms to my wife as I head out the MS door for a weeks fishing in Idaho… MS MS "Really honey, they are, uh, for my, uh, camera…!!!" Reminds of a story where the hunter bitches out his wife for not packing his socks after a three week hunting trip.. "But I did pack your socks honey!" "Where the he** did you pack them then?" "In the case with your rifle!" Dennis Vick … nfx v2.6 [C0000]                                                        

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Hi. I recently acquired my first 35mmSLR, and I really, really enjoy learning about and using it.  It is my sincere hope that I can capture some of the joys of flyfishing on film as it satisfies me.  I also want to try and document some of what I feel is very wrong in our sport, particularly overcrowding on the river and wounded or sickly fish that should be killed… but that is not why I post… How do you deal with an expensive electronic ridden camera as a component of your flyfishing equipment ?.  As I was preparing for the day on the river on Saturday, my vest could carry water or the camera, but not both, and I did not want another bag. As it turns out, I had the opportunity to get some great shots of my dear friend flyfishing, but as it also turned out, I did a little uninentional snorkelling on saturday AM too…I would have gotten the camera wet, at the very least. Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a ruggedized waterproof camera ?  Perhaps the fishing stuff stays home and only the photography equipment makes the truck ride next time. Tia, — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a    ruggedized waterproof camera ?   NO and YES. I bought a Pentax IQ zoom waterproof camera (~$250-270) for this purpose after I fell into a stream in New Zealand with my friend’s camera (ruining it and leaving me without a small camera).  I rarely carry my SLR/lenses because of weight and fear that I will ruin a zillion dollars with one false step.  This particular waterproof camera is pretty good – it is not a simple point and shoot.  I wear it around my neck all the time when fishing, and I take more pictures now. cheers,         -tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I recently acquired my first 35mmSLR, and I really, really enjoy learning about and using it……. How do you deal with an expensive electronic ridden camera as a component of your flyfishing equipment ?.  As I was preparing for the day on the river on Saturday, my vest could carry water or the camera, but not both, and I did not want another bag. As it turns out, I had the opportunity to get some great shots of my dear friend flyfishing, but as it also turned out, I did a little uninentional snorkelling on saturday AM too…I would have gotten the camera wet, at the very least. Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a ruggedized waterproof camera ?  Perhaps the fishing stuff stays home and only the photography equipment makes the truck ride next time.

Over the last twenty-five years I’ve had different cameras, SLR’s, range finders and one fixed lens. Sailing the ocean, mountaineering in unforgiving places, and stream side require different kind of cammera, NOT. Your camera, like your fly rod, is just a tool with limitations. What I discovered is, to take really wonderful shots use a SLR and buy every lens and gadget you find to help you at your task. Forget about fishing you won’t have time. You’ll be checking your light meter, checking back lighting, comparing gray scale zones, experimenting with how far you can push the ASA. And coming full circle when you move to a new location. Man that sounds like a lot of work and it really is. You could empty out you fishing vest and fill it full of camera stuff. Bingo, you are an official professional photographer or at least look like one. But for my money I went for the range finder type. One lens and one filter and that’s it. No fuss, good pic’s, with limitations. I just wanted to record what I saw, where I’d been, and what I’d experience. Just didn’t want to build a monument around it. I recommend these three range finder cameras, Reolli 35S (older german made w/big lens), Nikon Action Touch (really water proof to 12 feet), and an old Cannon Cannonete which is my current clicker. If my camera fell into bad grace I would not feel to badly because I mostly find used cameras that others have traded in to buy SLR’s. There’s a good steady supply, you just have to look for the deals. They do make waterproof bags that will keep your cameras dry, mostly used by white water rafters. But I hate cumbersome bags and am willing to take the chance on dousing the camera. Maybe if your fascination of fishing pictures really develops you could start taking pictures underwater of trout behavior and taking the fly. Yes, like flyfishing, it’s just another disease. When you get the darkroom going I could use some flytying gear, hint, hint, hint, since you will be up to your elbows in developer and fixer. — Doug Knight                           metalfab<atefaxinc.com Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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MS How do you deal with an expensive electronic ridden camera as a MS component of your flyfishing equipment ?.  As I was preparing for MS the day on the river on Saturday, my vest could carry water or MS the camera, but not both, and I did not want another bag. MS Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a MS ruggedized waterproof camera ?  Perhaps the fishing stuff stays MS home and only the photography equipment makes the truck ride MS next time. Well I hate to mention this in a family area, but condoms work just great for protecting your SLR from the environment(non-ribbed type!) and you can still use the buttons, etc. Good Lord, I hate to see the reponse from this one…but I AM SERIOUS. BTW, be sure to buy a good name brand. Leaks in these things can be pretty devastating. I swear, I am serious, Try it…….really! These things will blow up to 6′ diameter. No problem with a little camera. Stretch the material over the lense part so its close to clear. Why am I explaining this to you anyway, didn’t your parents tell you anything! Teachers, clergy, planned parenthood? Oh heck, just have fun. It works! Dennis Vick … nfx v2.6 [C0000]                                                        

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly   Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a   ruggedized waterproof camera ?   NO and YES. I bought a Pentax IQ zoom waterproof camera (~$250-270) for this purpose after I fell into a stream in New Zealand with my friend’s camera (ruining it and leaving me without a small camera).  I rarely carry my SLR/lenses because of weight and fear that I will ruin a zillion dollars with one false step.  This particular waterproof camera is pretty good – it is not a simple point and shoot.  I wear it around my neck all the time when fishing, and I take more pictures now. cheers,    -tgades

I’ve got the same camera – a great piece of work. To bad there’s no built-in lens cap for it, but it’s 99.9999% on the way to being the perfect camera for fishing. Nice macro feature for close-ups. Pentax has a new model (IQ 110?) for more money – with a very wide angle lens for panorama shots, but this one gives up on the water- resistance feature, I think. I also carry my camera in a plastic zip-lock baggie (my wallet’s got a baggie too) just to be sure it’ll survive my next unplanned wetdown. If I’m with someone else, they learn how to shoot a picture with it in about 10 seconds. Don B. Wishful collector of Gillums and Dickersons – owner of Montague, H-I and Heddons.

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I, too, rarely carry my SLR when fishing. And I often regret it when I get back prints from my point and shoot that are incorrectly exposed. (But, being prone to being prone, it’s the only way to go for me). Does anyone have any ideas for an inexpensive (<$150) auto-focus that allows for manual exposure setting? John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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there a couple of nice "photo backpacks" on the market. the one i got has a space for water or snacks or whatever. although it is not 100% waterproof – it will keep my expensive gear dry during brief recreational swims. i have decided that the inconvenience of the extra weight on my back is outweighed by the potential for great photos. p.s.   olympus makes a very small camera (will fit in almost any vest pocket) that is weatherproof. i believe they cost around $200.   greg

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Hi Moe, I have a Nikon FG and a Nikon F70, both of which cause me to cring a little when I bring them close to the water. I enjoy the artistic element of using an SLR too much to justify getting a waterproof auto camera. I have thus run into your problem. So far I have handled it by only taking the camera out of the car for dedicated photo shoots. I try to avoid wading with the camera if possible. When I’m done I get the rod out again and enjoy the fishing.  Last year my sis’ accompanied me on a trip and I got her to take some photos of me from the bank while I was wading. I say stick with the SLR and be extra careful. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. How do you deal with an expensive electronic ridden camera as a component of your flyfishing equipment ?.  As I was preparing for the day on the river on Saturday, my vest could carry water or the camera, but not both, and I did not want another bag. Is this insolvable ?  Is the only answer a compromise towards a ruggedized waterproof camera ?  Perhaps the fishing stuff stays home and only the photography equipment makes the truck ride next time. Tia, — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Dear Newsgroup, I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for. Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is   multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.     Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

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Dear Newsgroup, I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for. Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.     Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

Hi J.J. Mc Dougall,         I own the Simms Neoprene waders, I feel these are the best waders on the market. They are constructed with a sealed glued and taped seam much like other high quality waders but there is no crotch seam witch is the second most likly spot to spring a leak, the first being the feet of course. The feet on the sims waders are made of a much thicker neoprene and taped with a heavy tacky rubber tape to keep your feet from sliding around in your wading boot. The shoulder strap will click together so on hot days you can fold the chest half of the waders down and wear them as waist height waders. The best feature to me though is how soft they are. You will see alot of people put their neoprenes on over their pants, well they’re not realy meant for that because it gets pretty bulky under there especialy in July. Because there are so soft you don’t have to worry about any chaffing. They come in both Stocking foot and boot foot styles I prefer the stocking foot because I do alot of float tubing and the boot foot does not give you enough ankle movement, the boot foot are however more convenient, so both have pros and cons. I personaly would stay away from the gortex waders they tear easy and I’m told they leak alot they are also not nearly as versitle as neoprenes. Good Luck! Joe Weisenburger jr.

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writes: I appologise in advance for dredging up this recurrent question of

which waders to buy. I have beeen fly fishing for about a month now and have come to

realise the necessity of owning a pair of waders, however, I don’t know what sort to go for.

Gortex or Neoprene, stocking with seperate boot or boot inclusive. I am looking for something that is   multi-purpose ie. can be used on rivers, lakes and streams.    Any advice will be gratefully received. J.J. Mc Dougall.

I recomend you get some catalogs, decide how much time you are willing to spend suiting up(stocking foot waders take more time to put on), how cold the weather is when you will be fishing (thickness of neoprene is some what dependent on this), how many times a year (or days) you wil be fishing(thickness also depends on this), how much money you are willing to spend on waders(life of the waders will depend on this and the previous two). Pick out waders you like inthe catalogs that fit the above criteria, go to your favorite local shop and buy the ones they have that most closely match your catalog pick(this way you have a face to talk to).

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Hi, thanks for the response.  Is there any flats fishing in Costa Rica? I’m interested in a trip in 1997 .  Please e mail if possible. — Tim Ackerman "Everyone Lives Downstream"

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Hi, thanks for the response.  Is there any flats fishing in Costa Rica? I’m interested in a trip in 1997 .  Please e mail if possible. — Tim Ackerman "Everyone Lives Downstream"

Hi Tim, I believe that the east side is jungle rivers running to the ocean with tarpon and snook and the west coast is blue water with bill fish, dorado and wahoo. Lots of flats in other eastern Central American coasts. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Belize has incredible bonefish and permit fishing. Turneffe   Flats is geared to flyfishers and is one of the more   conservation minded lodges. Excellent guides and boats. Fly   Fishing Online has a group trip going there in September/95.   Call me if you want more info at 800 360-9731 or check out our   web site(see url below). Ken   Fly Fishing Online http://www.flyfishing-online.com

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Been to El Pescador on Ambregas Cay (spelling??) lots of small, dumb bonefish…but fun. Tarpon fishing OK…moderate sized fish plus long , hot, slow,  boat rides daily. J.O’C.

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Looking for information of Belize in late fall. Have you fished it, what were your impressions? Lodges, agents and the such, someone mentioned the Blue Marlin something or the other. If you’ve heard anything let me know.

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I’d like to second Ken’s vote for Turneffe Flats Lodge.  I go down there every year in the fall–try to get there before the first cold fronts come through in early November–and always have fun.  The most reliable bonefishing I’ve ever seen, relaxed, flexible pace, very pleasant guides. I may be going there at the end of July to help them explore tarpon fishing.  If anything exciting happens I’ll post it. Marshall Cutchin

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Looking for information of Belize in late fall. Have you fished it, what were your impressions? Lodges, agents and the such, someone mentioned the Blue Marlin something or the other. If you’ve heard anything let me know.

Haven’t fished it in late fall, only in spring, but hear from guides that the tarpon fishing is excellent in Sept/Oct.  Pressure is lower as well. We stayed in Holiday Hotel in San Pedro on Ambergris Caye and fished with local guides.  The guides were generally very good, as was the tarpon and bonefishing.  Staying in San Pedro is a different experience than a lodge situation, but you get to experience the Belizean people more, there is more nightlife, etc.  if you want the fishing and other things to do, this is a really fun trip.  email me if you want more info.                  /                 /                   John Woodling                /                    Sacramento, CA                   <     <

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