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Mike Connor is living in Germany and is a very computer savvy individual. I find it hard to believe that he would chose a crummy ISP if there was a better one available. Are there any other Germans out there who are familiar with the internet system there? You often pay about 1 to 3 cent per minute in Germany. There are not many flat rate providers, especially in smaller cities. Ilja.

Exactly my point earlier.  It probably takes 10 cents to download all the topics/headers on RBC in a week.  Disconnect, and sort through what you want to read, mark them to download, then repsond accordingly. This topic in itself is a waste. tmc

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike Connor is living in Germany and is a very computer savvy individual. I find it hard to believe that he would chose a crummy ISP if there was a better one available. Are there any other Germans out there who are familiar with the internet system there? You often pay about 1 to 3 cent per minute in Germany. There are not many flat rate providers, especially in smaller cities. Ilja. Exactly my point earlier.  It probably takes 10 cents to download all the topics/headers on RBC in a week.  Disconnect, and sort through what you want to read, mark them to download, then repsond accordingly.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike Connor is living in Germany and is a very computer savvy individual. I find it hard to believe that he would chose a crummy ISP if there was a better one available. Are there any other Germans out there who are familiar with the internet system there? You often pay about 1 to 3 cent per minute in Germany. There are not many flat rate providers, especially in smaller cities. Ilja. Exactly my point earlier.  It probably takes 10 cents to download all the topics/headers on RBC in a week.  Disconnect, and sort through what you want to read, mark them to download, then repsond accordingly.

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Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time. And they constitute what proportion of this newsgroup? "they" meaning people who pay by the minute or "they" meaning people outside the US? I have no idea about the first, …

    No one does.  That was my point. …but there are more non-US posters here than you probably realize.

    You have no idea what I "probably realize" — you’re guessing based on two sentences — and even if you were correct, it really doesn’t do anything to make the point, since the original "most people…" statement is dubious.  But please, go on. At least among long-time and frequent contributors.

    Care to qualify it any further? Not that its any excuse for a lousy ISP..

    You cracked the code!

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Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time. And they constitute what proportion of this newsgroup? does it matter?

    Well if, for example, one fifth of one percent of the people in the conversation have a particular problem, how worked up should we expect the group to get about it?     As for people in other newsgroups with similar problems, my favorite was the guy on AOL who waged an endless argument about cross-posting. Apparently his wiz-bang software required him to download entire articles before he could see headers (or so he claimed,) and thereby be able to filter things out.  Thus he wanted people to stop posting about various topics on various groups because it was costing him too much money to download stuff he didn’t want to read.  I think he enjoyed arguing about it.

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don’t be so Ameri-centric.    Don’t be so knee-jerk anti-American.

Wow. Get your hand off the trigger. Being considerate of people in the world that exists (really it does) outside the US is hardly being anti-American. I realize its very UN-American, but thats another story. Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time.     And they constitute what proportion of this newsgroup?

Why? What does it matter? Does Rico get to decide that if its less than x percent then screw them? This is really going to come as a surprise to some people, all of them Americans. There are..gasp…you dont say!!….actually places in America where people have to pay for access time! There are also people who, for various reasons, dont have good connections or fast connections AND have to pay for  access too!

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Mike Connor is living in Germany and is a very computer savvy individual. I find it hard to believe that he would chose a crummy ISP if there was a better one available. Are there any other Germans out there who are familiar with the internet system there?

You often pay about 1 to 3 cent per minute in Germany. There are not many flat rate providers, especially in smaller cities. Ilja.

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…it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. …online time is expensive. …There are doubtless others who have left, and will leave, for the same reasons.

If one leaves because of the cost of downloading back country topics, then you are better off backpacking than reading the usenet.  One certainly can’t afford that new goretex jacket. Lets be serious here.  If you can’t afford a few dollars to read some interersting topics (some more or less), then you have no reason to be backpacking.  Think about it!  Backpacking is NOT the least expensive hobby/sport.  Perhaps one needs to obtain a new hobby to make one happy. Unless you hike in blue jeans and a cotton shirt, the don’t be squaking. Oh yeah, if you aren’t smart enough to download the headers and topics, instead of full messages, then it is the law of Darwin. Geesh! tmc

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. …online time is expensive. …There are doubtless others who have left, and will leave, for the same reasons.    I believe that the limitations imposed on you by your crummy ISP support is rather unusual these days.

Mike Connor is living in Germany and is a very computer savvy individual. I find it hard to believe that he would chose a crummy ISP if there was a better one available. Are there any other Germans out there who are familiar with the internet system there? Geo.Cleveland

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don’t be so Ameri-centric.    Don’t be so knee-jerk anti-American. Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time.     And they constitute what proportion of this newsgroup?

does it matter?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. …online time is expensive. …There are doubtless others who have left, and will leave, for the same reasons.     I believe that the limitations imposed on you by your crummy ISP support is rather unusual these days. don’t be so Ameri-centric. Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time. Is this still true? Here in the UK you don’t if you have the right ISP and the right package.

it’s evidently an  issue for some that comes up regularly in some other ng’s I subscribe to that have  posters from all over the place.( trim posts etc) Of course I have no hard evidence  ;-p penny

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don’t be so Ameri-centric.

   Don’t be so knee-jerk anti-American. Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time.

    And they constitute what proportion of this newsgroup?

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Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time. And they constitute what proportion of this newsgroup?

"they" meaning people who pay by the minute or "they" meaning people outside the US? I have no idea about the first, but there are more non-US posters here than you probably realize. At least among long-time and frequent contributors. Not that its any excuse for a lousy ISP.. John Paul Minda Beckman Institute The University of Illinois 405 N. Mathews Ave. Urbana, IL 61801 (217) 333-2012 http://www.staff.uiuc.edu/~minda

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…it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. …online time is expensive. …There are doubtless others who have left, and will leave, for the same reasons.

    I believe that the limitations imposed on you by your crummy ISP support is rather unusual these days.

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…it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. …online time is expensive. …There are doubtless others who have left, and will leave, for the same reasons.     I believe that the limitations imposed on you by your crummy ISP support is rather unusual these days.

don’t be so Ameri-centric. Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time. penny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. …online time is expensive. …There are doubtless others who have left, and will leave, for the same reasons.     I believe that the limitations imposed on you by your crummy ISP support is rather unusual these days. don’t be so Ameri-centric. Most people outside the US have to pay by the minute for download time.

Is this still true? Here in the UK you don’t if you have the right ISP and the right package.

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai. He has a gorgeous blonde girlfriend(ive never seen so many stares in my direction thanks to walking with her on several occasions), a nice ride and an even nicer selection of fly rods. Perhaps you are jealous of that? He is a positive, hopeful person  and people seem to gravitate to him. He, like I also have the glorious choices of fishing in a still unspoiled setting, which is something you don’t have Mike. Perhaps if someone in Europe had spoken up and made noise a long time ago the fishing and habitat wouldnt be so poor now, and the choices so few.

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Musty Ass has spoken.

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai.

I could not care less about his girlfriend or his fly-rods. The only thing I care about, is the fact that he costs me money with his constant Usenet abuse. The problem is solved for me at least. I have unsubscribed from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly  as it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. I will occasionally have a look in, using Google ( where I don

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You can say that again!  I don’t suppose anyone gets out as much as they would like.  

I didn’t mean you, I meant daytripper. The HWMNBN stuff is probably hard to follow if you’re new around here (aka still sane). <g — Charlie…

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You can say that again!  I don’t suppose anyone gets out as much as they would like.   I didn’t mean you, I meant daytripper. The HWMNBN stuff is probably hard to follow if you’re new around here (aka still sane). <g

He’s even a little hard to follow if you’re grizzled and insane

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)…

Ah, the trotting of the canards… I used to be a fan until that night in Marseilles when I had a grand on a mallard to place at 12-1.  It was running neck and neck with the leader until the home stretch, where the goddam thing came up lame and couldn’t finish the race.  That’s when I realized the whole thing was fixed. Kevin, still disillusioned.

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… Ah, the trotting of the canards… I used to be a fan until that night in Marseilles when I had a grand on a mallard to place at 12-1.  It was running neck and neck with the leader until the home stretch, where the goddam thing came up lame and couldn’t finish the race.  That’s when I realized the whole thing was fixed. Kevin, still disillusioned.

Still, it’s better than running with the canards at Pamplona……boy could get culled doing that.    :( Wolfgang

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That’s when I realized the whole thing was fixed.

And why most just lope their mule… <g — Charlie…

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I can only say that nothing I have read would make me reluctant to post to ROFF.  As a matter of fact, I would expect any group interested in Fly fishing to have a disproportionate number of curmudgeons. Welcome, Jim!  Everyone here (with the exception of a troll) has been exceedingly kind and helpful to me, despite the fact I am very new to fly fishing

Geez! All of this good karma made me post again, after having nuked myself pretty much out of existence here other than lurking – Sandy, if you can put up with what you have, then I see no reason for me keep lurking, especially since the salmon and steelheading is going so well here in Southern Oregon – a buddy of mine landed a 33" (28lb +/-) hen chinook on a 6wt Saturday (#6 Beadhead CDC Prince), gave one of the flies to a guy just upstream, then helped that guy land what had to be a 32-35 lb jack… and they were fishing for steelhead. Jim, Welcome. -Gus http://gstrandesigns.tripod.com/flyfishing.htm

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Geez! All of this good karma made me post again, after having nuked myself pretty much out of existence here other than lurking – Sandy, if you can put up with what you have, then I see no reason for me keep lurking, especially since the salmon and steelheading is going so well here in Southern Oregon – a buddy of mine landed a 33" (28lb +/-) hen chinook on a 6wt Saturday (#6 Beadhead CDC Prince), gave one of the flies to a guy just upstream, then helped that guy land what had to be a 32-35 lb jack… and they were fishing for steelhead.

Cool!  Then we’ll expect TRs and maybe even photos posted to alt.binaries.pictures.fishing very soon.  :^)  Welcome back, Gus.  Don’t sweat the small stuff.  Fishing and fun and friends are what’s important, and there’s plenty of that here. Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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here in Southern Oregon – a buddy of mine landed a 33" (28lb +/-) hen chinook

Whoa! That is a fat fish! Mu

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Kissass. — Citizen Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cool!  Then we’ll expect TRs and maybe even photos posted to alt.binaries.pictures.fishing very soon.  :^)  Welcome back, Gus.  Don’t sweat the small stuff.  Fishing and fun and friends are what’s important, and there’s plenty of that here. Sandy —

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I have only posted to this group once, so I guess it would be fair to say I am a newbie.  I guess I could also be considered a Lurker because I have continued to follow threads hear and there for the last couple months, as time permits, but I have not contributed. I can only say that nothing I have read would make me reluctant to post to ROFF.  As a matter of fact, I would expect any group interested in Fly fishing to have a disproportionate number of curmudgeons.  This is not meant as a slight, I enjoy and respect many crurmudgeons.  When someone takes heat on this group, they usually deserve it and the criticism teaches newbies, like me, simple lessons.  (Posting shamless marketing or large pictures is a no-no.)  The lessons are also entertaining. My position as a Lurker will probably erode over time.  At this point in time, my major limitation is time.  My kids keep me quite busy and it is fun to be with them.  I guess you could call them my primary hobby.  Reading a few post here and there is quick and I can do it at odd hours.  I sometimes cannot look at ROFF for weeks, so my contributions would be disjoint at best.  I really enjoy trip reports and many are truly works of art.  The only thing I find intimidating about ROFF would be to producing a a small whitefish trip report in a riffle loaded with quality trout. I have learned much from this group.  (For example: I need to give the Henry’s Fork another try and now I know why it appears that I catch more than twice the number of trout when I use a dropper.  I guess I can thank Bruce for both.) I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.  The thing I need most to contribute to ROFF is content.

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I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.  The thing I need most to contribute to ROFF is content.

Actually, Jim, all you need is a Sage rod for sale and a couple of alter egos. But seriously, it’s nice to here from you! –Steve

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"Jim …..Posting shamless marketing or large pictures is a no-no.

I, for one, don’t think shamless marketing is all that bad……best kind there is, as a matter of fact.     …The only thing I find intimidating about ROFF would be to producing a a small whitefish trip report in a riffle loaded with quality trout….

Pretty metaphor.  You got nuthin to worry about. Wolfgang oh yeah, welcome aboard!

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Good post. Many will agree.  ;-) Seriously, thanks for the post, Jim. You’ve refuted the "popular opinion" (actually, held by just the one guy, afaik) that ROFF is an uninviting place. (HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… /daytripper (You’re off to a good start! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have only posted to this group once, so I guess it would be fair to say I am a newbie.  I guess I could also be considered a Lurker because I have continued to follow threads hear and there for the last couple months, as time permits, but I have not contributed. I can only say that nothing I have read would make me reluctant to post to ROFF.  As a matter of fact, I would expect any group interested in Fly fishing to have a disproportionate number of curmudgeons.  This is not meant as a slight, I enjoy and respect many crurmudgeons.  When someone takes heat on this group, they usually deserve it and the criticism teaches newbies, like me, simple lessons.  (Posting shamless marketing or large pictures is a no-no.)  The lessons are also entertaining. My position as a Lurker will probably erode over time.  At this point in time, my major limitation is time.  My kids keep me quite busy and it is fun to be with them.  I guess you could call them my primary hobby.  Reading a few post here and there is quick and I can do it at odd hours.  I sometimes cannot look at ROFF for weeks, so my contributions would be disjoint at best.  I really enjoy trip reports and many are truly works of art.  The only thing I find intimidating about ROFF would be to producing a a small whitefish trip report in a riffle loaded with quality trout. I have learned much from this group.  (For example: I need to give the Henry’s Fork another try and now I know why it appears that I catch more than twice the number of trout when I use a dropper.  I guess I can thank Bruce for both.) I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.  The thing I need most to contribute to ROFF is content.

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"Jim" wrote My position as a Lurker will probably erode over time.  At this point in time, my major limitation is time.  My kids keep me quite busy and it is fun to be with them.  I guess you could call them my primary hobby.  Reading a few post here and there is quick and I can do it at odd hours.  I sometimes cannot look at ROFF for weeks, so my contributions would be disjoint at best. ……

Even the most curmudgeonly and cantankerous here won’t ever fault you for having your priorities so properly ordered.  Hope you find the time to post more often–maybe even a TR of the up-coming trip with your brothers.  ;) JR

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… Uh, you don’t get out much do you. <g — Charlie…

You can say that again!  I don’t suppose anyone gets out as much as they would like.  Thats why I lurk around here and live vicariously though others.  It also gives me a chance to learn, although I would rather be learning on a river.

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)…

Uh, you don’t get out much do you. <g — Charlie…

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I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.  The thing I need most to contribute to ROFF is content.

You can always theorize or trivialize (?).  Keeps me busy in the long lulls between fishing trips

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(HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… Uh, you don’t get out much do you. <g

What was I thinking?!?

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He should definately cul that canard. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (HWMNBN won’t be able to trot *that* canard out anymore)… Uh, you don’t get out much do you. <g What was I thinking?!?

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I can only say that nothing I have read would make me reluctant to post to ROFF.  As a matter of fact, I would expect any group interested in Fly fishing to have a disproportionate number of curmudgeons.

Welcome, Jim!  Everyone here (with the exception of a troll) has been exceedingly kind and helpful to me, despite the fact I am very new to fly fishing.  I don’t always have info to add to discussions, but I read every one and have learned a wealth of information here, and have made some very nice friends. I will go fishing with my brothers in a few weeks and I hope the trip gives me enough material for a good report.

Please do post when you get back.  All the trout in Arizona streams seem to be boiled from the extended summer heat and I’m living vicariously through trip reports on ROFF until conditions improve.  <g Sandy — "…the sport and game of angling is the true means and cause that brings a man into a merry spirit, which…makes a flowering age and a long one." ~~ Dame Juliana Berners 1496

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Northern California Coastal Steelhead fishing in January and February is very, very dependent upon the weather.  Heavy rains create tremendous silting and blows out most North Coast rivers and it may take 5 to 10 days (without more rain) to recover enough for the fishing to get average. Alternate choices are Big Lagoon and Stone Lagoon.  When heavy rainfall is coupled with high tides and high wind and storms, these lagoons burst and adult steelhead rush in creating tremendous fishing opportunities from boats drifting steelhead flies.  But, timing is everything! The two best rivers for different reasons are the Smith and the Mad.  The Smith has less siltation and recovers quicker sometimes as fast as 24 hours. The Mad supports good fishing even with siltation due to the Mad River Hatchery.  While waiting for rivers to recover, may I suggest sunny days inland at Lewiston Lake.  In January and February the 11:00 AM Calibaetis hatch belies the extreme complexity and skill required to land the largest Rainbows of this super sophisticated fishery.  Size 16 to 20 nymphs and emergers, very coldwater float tubing and frequent changes prior,during and post the hatch(s) may be an ample challenge.  As the locals say, "Many are called, but few are chosen". For Northcoast rivers, lagoons and Lewiston Lake status, call Mike Kuczynski at the Eureka Fly Shop.  1-800-435-9546. Good Luck, Tight lines, John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, I have been following the cold water/warm water steelhead thread a bit and thought perhaps someone might like to offer some suggestions on places to fish in late Jan early Feb. The missus has temporarily moved to San Diego for work and I thought when I visited in February I might take the opportunity for a trip to the northern part of the state and try to catch a fish or 3. Everything will be frozen solid locally so it is a chance to break the winter doldrums. I will also be over next month but I suspect if I head off fishing the first time I visit she may get a tad miffed. I have only very limited knowledge of the state, I cycled from Seattle to San Francisco several years ago and that’s it. I have had some experience catching large lake-run rainbows in SW Ontario and New Zealand but this would be my first chance to have a go at some salties and thought it might be fun. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I will be starting out from a meeting in Ventura, so at least it will not be quite so far to the south as San Diego. thanks Vaughan

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Hi All, I have been following the cold water/warm water steelhead thread a bit and thought perhaps someone might like to offer some suggestions on places to fish in late Jan early Feb. The missus has temporarily moved to San Diego for work and I thought when I visited in February I might take the opportunity for a trip to the northern part of the state and try to catch a fish or 3. Everything will be frozen solid locally so it is a chance to break the winter doldrums. I will also be over next month but I suspect if I head off fishing the first time I visit she may get a tad miffed. I have only very limited knowledge of the state, I cycled from Seattle to San Francisco several years ago and that’s it. I have had some experience catching large lake-run rainbows in SW Ontario and New Zealand but this would be my first chance to have a go at some salties and thought it might be fun. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I will be starting out from a meeting in Ventura, so at least it will not be quite so far to the south as San Diego. thanks Vaughan

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actually walt…i think marie changed pj…or was it vice versa?   also, wasn’t it soon after james macdonald roberts left your presence that you wrote that blazing binary rant and began tying wooly buggers on treble hooks??? jeff (in recovery at the "pamlico" wing of the Hebron Colony) …the power of the prince of pilsner has commanded the scene. pj,

pj, has been changed.  just a simple tasting of dahlwhinnie evolution and the logic of the wee one…sad, to see an icon in tears. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – waldo, the prince of pilsner

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Any advice? Thanks, Jeff (aka – empty handed) Jeff, Go smaller with 20-26 midges if you’re fishing the dry.

        (altruistic dispensation of wisdom from the king of the kamloomps snipped) –Walt

        if i were you, old buddy, i would be forgetting about idyllic days on the stream, and start thinking about survival.  ’cause i can hear, off to the east, in a growing, ominous, rumble, the thunderous stride of (gulp!) ….pamlico jim hissownself!!!!!         say goodbye to marie, and shake hands with the devil. wayno, who knows whereof he speaketh

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any advice? Thanks, Jeff (aka – empty handed) Jeff, Go smaller with 20-26 midges if you’re fishing the dry.         (altruistic dispensation of wisdom from the king of the kamloomps snipped) –Walt         if i were you, old buddy, i would be forgetting about idyllic days on the stream, and start thinking about survival.  ’cause i can hear, off to the east, in a growing, ominous, rumble, the thunderous stride of (gulp!) ….pamlico jim hissownself!!!!!         say goodbye to marie, and shake hands with the devil. wayno, who knows whereof he speaketh

wayno…the power of the prince of pilsner has commanded the scene. pj, jm, and yours trully returned from a remarkable winter day astream… pj, has been changed.  just a simple tasting of dahlwhinnie evolution and the logic of the wee one…sad, to see an icon in tears. waldo, the prince of pilsner

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It’s my first winter in the area and I’m having a really tough time getting anything to hit. Have fished the Davidson, South Mills, Jones Gap (Saluda River), multiple locations of the Green River, with every #12-18 fly that I have been able to tie or find. No luck, not even a strike… I’ve tried am and pm.  All of the same locations produced through the summer/late fall of this year. Any advice? Thanks, Jeff (aka – empty handed)

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It’s my first winter in the area and I’m having a really tough time getting anything to hit. Have fished the Davidson, South Mills, Jones Gap (Saluda River), multiple locations of the Green River, with every #12-18 fly that I have been able to tie or find. No luck, not even a strike… I’ve tried am and pm.  All of the same locations produced through the summer/late fall of this year. Any advice? Thanks, Jeff (aka – empty handed)

Jeff, Go smaller with 20-26 midges if you’re fishing the dry. A rig that I use is to tie the midge about 18-30 inches behind a 16 or so para adams which helps me keep track of where the midge is. You’ll be surprised how many take the "indicator." However, you will have far more success nymphing in the winter months. This afternoon I actually caught two or three fish on the stimulator indicator which had a 18 bead head dropper. The bead head was deadly today with many fish caught and many fish missed, all-in-all, a fine day astream in the winter. –Walt — Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com For Book & Print Auctions: http://www.amazon.com/seller/mariebooks Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.bibliofind.com/cgi-bin/texis.exe/s/search/dhome.html?id=33… P.O. Box 5112, Banner Elk, NC 28604

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I was organizing my fly box and found that some of the flies had hooks which were rusty. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about what should be done with these flies  -  should they be thrown out, could they be repaired, does it matter that I use rusty hooks when fishing, etc. As well, is there a way of ensuring that hooks will not rust after use. Any thoughts are much appreciated. Jon H.

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Not sure I would use rusty hooks. You can prevent hooks from rusting in the future by making sure they are dried out before sticking back into fly box. Most logical approach is to dry them all on a table after a day’s fishing and then place them back into dry fly box for storage before next trip.(hopefully a short time) Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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I was organizing my fly box and found that some of the flies had hooks which were rusty. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about what should be done with these flies  -  should they be thrown out, Jon H.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Throw out! Just your luck someday you’ll hook the best trout of your life – some magnificent rainbow, 6/8 pounds – he’ll leap out of the water and show you his beauty and grace. Your heart will start to race and then he’ll break off.  When you reel in you’ll notice he didn’t bust your leader, or pop the fly off the end. You’ll notice the bend of the hook broken off.  OUCH!! Joel Axelrad

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I was organizing my fly box and found that some of the flies had hooks which were rusty. Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts about what should be done with these flies  -  should they be thrown out, could they be repaired, does it matter that I use rusty hooks when fishing, etc. As well, is there a way of ensuring that hooks will not rust after use. Any thoughts are much appreciated. Jon H.

  Flies are designed to deteriate quickly in wet conditions for the fished sake. At the cost of flys dump any rusted,aint woth lost fish. next time you get back from fishing open the box so moisture isn’t traped. In the south east your air conditioner will dry them, in the south west the dry air does the trick. In the rest of the country, the wifes hair dryer works well.                                                          John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw this post and it reminded me of my dad’s "proud papa" moment.  He took me out flyfishing (he let me hold the rod anyway) when I was about three year of age.  A small Rainbow trout happened to hit the gray hackle yellow body that was being used.  And, I landed my first fish on a fly.  My dad made such a big deal out of it that I just knew that fish was a treasure to be kept.  He could not talk me into releasing it.  So, I took it home with me and much to the chagrin of my mother, dad allowed me to go to bed that night with fish in hand.  I’ve been flyfishing with my dad ever since and he’s now in his 80’s. Barry My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes        i know it is one hell of a judgment call, but i think that the experience related in wes’s post is more important than the life of that single fish.

        somewhere in the acceptance of that concept lies the middle ground for all our discontent that flows from the c&k/c&r confrontations.         a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw this post and it reminded me of my dad’s "proud papa" moment.  He took me out flyfishing (he let me hold the rod anyway) when I was about three year of age.  A small Rainbow trout happened to hit the gray hackle yellow body that was being used.  And, I landed my first fish on a fly.  My dad made such a big deal out of it that I just knew that fish was a treasure to be kept.  He could not talk me into releasing it.  So, I took it home with me and much to the chagrin of my mother, dad allowed me to go to bed that night with fish in hand.  I’ve been flyfishing with my dad ever since and he’s now in his 80’s. Barry      i know it is one hell of a judgment call, but i think that the experience related in wes’s post is more important than the life of that single fish.         somewhere in the acceptance of that concept lies the middle ground for all our discontent that flows from the c&k/c&r confrontations.         a. wayne harrison

Jeeezz, Wayne, let’s not turn the great "Proud Papa" thread into another c&k/c&r debacle.  Mark Faulkner

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says… My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes

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I saw this post and it reminded me of my dad’s "proud papa" moment.  He took me out flyfishing (he let me hold the rod anyway) when I was about three year of age.  A small Rainbow trout happened to hit the gray hackle yellow body that was being used.  And, I landed my first fish on a fly.  My dad made such a big deal out of it that I just knew that fish was a treasure to be kept.  He could not talk me into releasing it.  So, I took it home with me and much to the chagrin of my mother, dad allowed me to go to bed that night with fish in hand.  I’ve been flyfishing with my dad ever since and he’s now in his 80’s. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes

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My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes

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My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes    that’s great, wes, worm or no worm.  i just hope he didn’t release the fish and eat the bait.

        a. wayne harrison

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My little boy, who turned 4 on Sunday, caught his FIRST fish today!!! (ok, it was with a worm)  It was a 10" Brown trout and you’ve never seen a little boy so happy and proud in your life. Just thought I’d share a "proud papa" moment. Wes

Congratulations, and thanks for sharing the momemnt. Mark Faulkner

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I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use?

Hi Jared, The simple thing to do for this weekend would be to check with your local fly shop to see what info they have on the local river you plan to fish.  It’s in their best interest to help you be successfull so don’t hesitate to ask.  If they won’t give you the time of day, go to a different shop. The suggestions Donn gave you are the best for the long term though.  Learn the basic life-cycles of mayflies, caddisflies, stoneflies, and midges.  Learn to identify them.  Don’t need to know the particular species or latin name, but at least learn to tell the difference between mayflies and caddisflies, etc.  To start, ignore the latin names most books will give, though they may interest you later.   Remeber, the other spelling for entomolgy is "bugs".  Learn how to take a stream sample without destroying a lot of habitat.  What works can change from hour to hour let alone week to week and if you can identify what’s available you’ll do much better than "chuck it and chance it."  You’ll never learn it all, but you’ll have a great time trying.                                      good fishing,                                              Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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Jared, That is a question that even 66 year old men ask.  This is what fly fishing is all about and what you spend a life time doing in this sport to try to figure out.  The fly can change from one moment to the next to the next and so on.  I can change right in front of you for several hundred different reasons. Do not get overwhelmed by this but just look at it as a challenge.  Do yourself a favor and try to do a couple of the following things and it will make you a much better fly fisher. First and foremost – learn the basics of entomology; this looks hard but really isn’t.  Get with another fisherman who understands the basics and have him explain it to you.  Pick up any of many primers on this to help you. Next – Check the streams you intend to fish for what type of insects you have and when they hatch and how they act. Next – Begin gathering those insects in specimen bottles and preserving them for future studies.  Hopefully in the not too distant future, you can begin tying flies and you will have a data base to begin to copy.  Pick up some isopropyl alcohol from Wal-Mart, K-Mart or any drug store; it is very inexpensive.  Put a solution of 90% alcohol and 10% water in the vial and then add your insect and cover. Put a sticker of some kind on it and put what it is and where you got it from.  If you want to begin a diary of all this, it will help you learn faster and give you tremendous abount of your own information that is better than anything you hear or read. Next – Always be observant for changes in anything in or around the river and what effect it has on the fish and insects.  Go with other fly fishers and ask questions.   Your brain is a many giga-byte hard drive and just begin to fill it with as many bite of information as you can.  You will never come close to getting them all and just never stop; it is a life long endeavor. This is not tuff stuff and as long as you enjoy it, it will be easy and fun and make you an experinced fly fisher at the same time. Donn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use? Thankyou Tight Lines, Jared Staskiel "In our family, there was no clear line between religion and                fly fishing"                     —Norman Maclean (1976)

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I am only 16 and just starting to flyfish. I plan to do some fly fishing on a local stream this weekend. What are the best kinds of fly’s to use? Thankyou Tight Lines, Jared Staskiel "In our family, there was no clear line between religion and                 fly fishing"                     —Norman Maclean (1976)

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Hi, I will be going on a 6 day canoe trip into the Quetico Wilderness area in Canada in mid-July of this year.  Does anyone out there know what to expect?  I would be interested in any info about patterns, techniques for deep fish like walleye, or anything you think might help.  I will be doing the Cache Lake Loop out of Baptism Creek.  Should be loads of fun. Thanks. Chris

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Hi, I will be going on a 6 day canoe trip into the Quetico Wilderness area in Canada in mid-July of this year.  Does anyone out there know what to expect?  I would be interested in any info about patterns, techniques for deep fish like walleye, or anything you think might help.  I will be doing the Cache Lake Loop out of Baptism Creek.  Should be loads of fun.

        Boy, I THINK it was in this newsgroup, but it was possibly in the GPS NG (sci.geo.satellite-nav) or the rec.backcountry newsgroup where I just responded to a very similar question about the Boundary Waters in August. Thus you might want to go to Dejanews and do a search there for same for my (tiny) pearls of wisdom. (And, beyond that, in the rec.backcountry newsgroup if not this flyfishing one if you go back even a little way you’ll find tons of stuff addressing your question. I tried to summarize in the post I referred to above, and damned if I can remember what NG it was in. I seem to recall trying to talk quite a bit about flyfishing so I suspect it was in this NG, but I can’t be sure.)         Basically though, my point was that you should start thinking about smallmouth early in the morning and evenings off rocky shelves in the shallows, and pike in the weeds. There’s lots of ways to check to see if the lakes you are going to are primarily smallmouth or walleye, though the bigger lakes will have both. As to walleye, I don’t know about you but trying to flyfish any further than about 3-4 feet down just ain’t my idea of fun. To each his own though….         Good luck. Tom Burczyk

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I use deerhair poppers for smallmouth morning and evening. White gartside streamer weighed during day,also black woolyburger with a little red tinsel down the back. Try lead eyed woolyburgers with about 4 bass type hackles tied on as a tail fish it with long leader that has silicone on it you can detect the soft takes of walleye. have fun .. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I will be going on a 6 day canoe trip into the Quetico Wilderness area in Canada in mid-July of this year.  Does anyone out there know what to expect?  I would be interested in any info about patterns, techniques for deep fish like walleye, or anything you think might help.  I will be doing the Cache Lake Loop out of Baptism Creek.  Should be loads of fun. Thanks. Chris

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<<<<<I will be going on a 6 day canoe trip into the Quetico Wilderness area in Canada in mid-July of this year.  Does anyone out there know what to expect?  I would be interested in any info about patterns, techniques for deep fish like walleye, or anything you think might help.  I will be doing the Cache Lake Loop out of Baptism Creek.  Should be loads of fun. Thanks. Chris Hi.  I’ll be there, too, and if I see you I’ll wave. I usually have excellent luck catching bass and northerns in that area with a huge orange shrimp pattern that is actually a steelhead fly. Leeches or deer hair mice twitched through the reed beds are dynamite for large northerns, but don’t try that on a 5 weight. On the Seine River near there, I’ve caught blue gills and gigantic lake whitefish on caddis and Adams towards evening. I always see lots of dragonfly nymph shucks around and inch-long brownish mayflies with white wings on the cabin screens each morning. Walleyes are usually down too deep, but you might pick the odd one up in the shallows. I usually paddle into back bays and cast tight to the bank, around brush, next to weeds. P.S. I’ll be doing a reading at the Atikokan Public Library on July 8, so drop in if you’re in the neighbourhood.

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Ditto the last post–also– Keep your attention focused on points, especially ones near deep water. To catch walleyes or northerns in the summer heat you will have to fish like a spin guy.  I like a shooting head line with a "float tip" (if this gets famous then I get credit).  Take your nymph line and rig a loop-to-loop with about six feet of the head section of an old floating line.  Alternative:  fish a floating fly on a sinking line.  Go to leader (a flat butt of 40 and then 30/20 and maybe a 12 pound tippet; it’s a tossup:  catch more walleyes or get cut off by northerns.)  If you have a depth sounder you’re more likely to score.  Pick the windiest point you can find near big water, or near the flow where one lake has necked down into another.  Make your cast down wind and drift with your sinking line then strip back across the wind or with it.  Use clousers or strip leeches–color may matter, and it may vary from chartreuse to black.  A black strip leech with a fluorescent orange head is my favorite.  To move walleyes you will probably have to be at least 12′ deep, and maybe as deep as 18′.  A rocky or gravelly flat that extends in deep water will almost always hold fish.  Move shallower on the same structure for smallies; move out over deep water but near the dropoff for big northerns. In the evening, stake out a likely flat near camp.  Get about a gallon of pure DEET.  As the light falls, make casts across the flat parallel to the deep water or across the wind and scrape the bottom in the same fashion. In the early morning (early:  first light) do the same.  In low-light conditions (or rain or fog) you may find walleyes in 6 to 10 feet of water; you will collide with all three species in that zone.  Also–in bays, especially if it’s warm and especially if the water is clear, make some casts with large topwaters such as hair bugs, bob’s bangers or other poppers, and large dahlbergs.  This may bring on smallies and northerns. If you tie, make up a few really huge dahlberg divers (6 to 8" range) as these are the best bet for big northerns. I’ll be on Basswood lake this year–no time for a really deep penetration of the parks.  Good luck! Dave

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Need info on Olympic Steelhead.  Will be in WA March 6-10.  Called some guides fish the Sol Duc and Hoh, but they are way to expensive.  Need info on possibility of taking myself and a buddy steelheading.  I’m worried that the rivers may be too high.

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Need info on Olympic Steelhead.  Will be in WA March 6-10.  Called some guides fish the Sol Duc and Hoh, but they are way to expensive.  Need info on possibility of taking myself and a buddy steelheading.  I’m worried that the rivers may be too high.

I’d suggest you call one of the Seattle area fly shops, such as Kaufmanns, Swallows Nest, Avid Angler or Patrick’s.  They should have good, up-to-date information on all the area streams, including the Olympic Peninsula.  Access on most of the major Peninsula streams is fairly limited, though there are exceptions;  a raft or drift boat can be a major advantage.  A good map is essential – the DeLorme ‘Atlas and Gazeteer’ will *generally* get you where you need to be, but forest service (Olympic National Forest) maps can be useful as well.   Stream conditions are NEVER certain – you pays your money and you takes your chances, whether visitor or local – but, in general, March tends to offer generally decent water.  But there just are no guarantees;  the whole month can be blown out or low, clear and fish-less.  One real plus of March is native (typically catch and release) fisheries on several of the local streams.  On the Peninsula, the Sol Duc comes to mind (also has some sections that are reasonably accessible).   On the subject of C&R, you might also want to check out some of the streams north of Seattle, such as the Skykomish, Skagit and Sauk. Fishing can be excellent at that time of year for very large native fish and most of these streams have pretty extensive access (though floating is still an advantage).  They also have some excellent fly water.   One last word of advice:  Guides may be expensive, but can make the difference between bust and boom, particularly on unfamiliar waters and unfamiliar fisheries.  Some streams, or even sections of streams, here fish best in ways that are not intuitive, even to experienced steelhead fly anglers.  You can easily spend months (hell, years! <g) fishing the wrong streams or the right streams wrong.  A day with a good guide at the beginning of the trip, can be parlayed into days (or even a lifetime) of successful fishing.  Any of the local shops can put you in touch with a good FF guide.  Also there are a number of excellent  independent guides, including John Farrar, who probably best exemplifies the ‘teaching guide’ approach.    (BTW, *most* Peninsula guides are, in my experience, mainly drift gear/plug fishermen;  be careful to get a full-time FF guide, no matter where you go).   -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA

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Hi, a brand new german internet fly-fisherman is around ! I am sorry if a cause some troubles here, but it is my first time in the internet and i wanted to take a look at the worlds computer-fly-fishermen. So if i produce any mistakes in here, I AM SORRY !       Would be nice if somebody talks to me, just to see that i am right in here.    CU, bye…….

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Hi, a brand new german internet fly-fisherman is around ! I am sorry if a cause some troubles here, but it is my first time in the internet and i wanted to take a look at the worlds computer-fly-fishermen. So if i produce any mistakes in here, I AM SORRY !       Would be nice if somebody talks to me, just to see that i am right in here.    CU, bye…….

Hello and welcome. It’s always great to have flyfishers from different countries. I lived in Germany for 3 years and had some great fishing experiences there. Tchuss! Cal Harris — Fishin Buddy  o <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J           provocative content may have occurred      <<       <<                    during shipping and handling.

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Howdy,     you are hear and heard…always nice to have someone from across the water join in.  Maybe you can tell me about Huchen if you have ever had the oportlunity to fish for them.                     Petri Heil                          Mike Leitheiser, Portland, Oregon

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Hi from around the world. Enjoy the ‘net and aloha, |Robert (aka: Bob) B. Graham – NINC-HON               Office: (808) 523-4500| |(Nerd-In-Chief Honolulu)                               Home: (808) 395-9360| |City & County of Honolulu           Prodigy: WTKW87A                       |  I have a vice, that vice is fishing – time stops, I’m in a different world.

: Hi, : a brand new german internet fly-fisherman is around ! : I am sorry if a cause some troubles here, but it is my first : time in the internet and i wanted to take a look at the worlds : computer-fly-fishermen. So if i produce any mistakes in here, : I AM SORRY !       Would be nice if somebody talks to me, : just to see that i am right in here.    CU, bye…….

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This thread is great! Does any one know if there is an IRC session on FFishing? That is where real time conversation can take place and our German friends can participate. I’m a Fly fisherman and amateur astronomer. On sundays an #ASTRONOMY session held. Folks from uk, as, fr and others participate. A FFishing session would be great too.

: Hi, : a brand new german internet fly-fisherman is around ! : I am sorry if a cause some troubles here, but it is my first : time in the internet and i wanted to take a look at the worlds : computer-fly-fishermen. So if i produce any mistakes in here, : I AM SORRY !       Would be nice if somebody talks to me, : just to see that i am right in here.    CU, bye……. —  Remember amateur astronomers: "keep looking for the next Universe"

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bob- glad to hear u made it on to the net and welcome.  no doesn’t seem like u caused any prblems but how the fishing in germany?  currently i am in Manchester, New Hampshire, USA and while its alittle cold here and the seasons is on hold the fishing was tremendous this summer and fall in our northern rivers and streams.  also was terrific out west in Wyoming and Montana where i spend three weeks every year.  so i guess we have u to blame for all these german browns that thrive in our rivers, well i can tell u they get pretty big over hear.  well lots of luck.                                                  tight lines

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