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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will sponsor "Flies of the World" for the first fly tying information swap.  What I propose to offer is one fly tied of the following sets. 1.  your single most successful dry fly 2.  caddis, caddis, caddis all three stages. 3.  anything may fly from one nymph, dun, spinner, spent. 4.  your favorite terrestrial, INCLUDING dragon fly, crane, etc. 5.  your favorite stone fly dry and nymph 6.  parachute anything 7.  emergers, emergers, emergers diptera, caddis, etc. 8.  Fresh water Streamer.  Salt Water Streamer. 9.  Steelhead Fly 10. Salmon Fly Each fly will be photographed and if the tier can provide tying photos, all the better.  Each fly should have a photo of tier at vise.  Each fly should have a narration of how to tie it and also the why of it and how and when it is used.  The story is vital.  Latin terms are welcome and fly tying book references of pattern used also encouraged.  "I tied this fly up using Ernie Schwiebert’s book on "Nymphs" found on page # xxx. (for example) Those who are interested and who offer up their talents, will be entered into our companies "Flies of the World Wide Web Site" which is viewed all over the world.  I hope to make this a major factor in the world of fly fishing information over the Internet. This is an "Intellectual Swap" each tier becomes part of a major data base of fly tying information in an electronic book where I hope to keep you preserved for all time. The tying format outline will constructed so everyone uses the same quality steps from "Hook Size & Make" all the way through to finished product.  Each tier will have a full page display and lay out all their own for EACH FLY offered. We will reserve the right to edit and help the lay outs as much as possible so each tier is presented in the best light and as interesting as possible. The comments of our Flies of the World gets each month is remarkable and the interest on going.  We just need more of the same from serious fly tiers and fishermen just like you. Materials of all kinds are found in unusual places and sometimes it is helpful if a rare material’s source is divulged.  Synthetics are allowed for one major reason.  To make the first fly out of Polar Bear requires the death of a magnificent animal.  Yet, there are sources where old taxidermy mounts are salvaged and someone has a large piece they are willing to share, or better yet a synthetic that is used which safeguards Polar Bears from further hunting just to tie that first fly. It simply makes sense that synthetics be allowed and especially when some of them make it difficult to tell the difference between them and the real thing.  We are here to learn and we are here to contribute to a finer world of fly fishing through helping each other and wildlife in general as best we can. Anyhow, this will be Rofft’s place in the sun where dreams, reality, and the final product are shown and preserved for all mankind.  We want to know what you look like and we want your stories and thoughts.  It makes no difference if you can spell or not.  Its your enthusiasm that counts. The above layout of flies can be submitted one fly at a time but each tier should have a chance to include what is important at their pace for each fly takes thought and it is, as I’ve always said, "A contemplative man’s sport." I expect to reach "A Thousand & One" fly patterns in time.  I want YOU to be part of what fly fishing is about to you and hopefully that you will share a little of it with others.  I  hope some of you like this idea, can use it to promote quality concepts and who are willing to donate a little of your time to help others . . . all over the world. This generation of Roffian Tiers needs to be preserved for the future. I want you to be part of it.  I bar no man of sport. — George Gehrke Mr. Gink  

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  There’s fish in there all year round, but in the winter it’s also stocked with rainbows.  The fish spread out over the length of the "clear ditch" and are very spooky.  The banks are also very high, which makes it difficult to be stealthy.  It’s known as my state’s most technically demanding flyfishing.  

Good report Bruce. The spooky fish sure are a switch from the Juan’s. Learn how to take these fish, Bruce. They’ll teach you alot. Willi

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 We’ve recently moved to the north end of town, …

Thanks for the report, Bruce. Some have had success fishing over recently stocked fish using a "brown wooly booger" slapped heavily on the surface. Matching the trout chow hatch, as it were. I wouldn’t want to embarrass anyone by divulging this "technique", but it’s been known to work on the stocker sections of the Watauga. — Ken Fortenberry

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Some have had success fishing over recently stocked fish using a "brown wooly booger" slapped heavily on the surface. Matching the trout chow hatch, as it were. I wouldn’t want to embarrass anyone by divulging this "technique", but it’s been known to work on the stocker sections of the Watauga.

Haven’t tried that one. But how about this one: sixteen beadhead pheasant tail nymphs tied in tandem. Toss that rig into the pool and it looks just like a pellet shower. Works every time! –Steve

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You’ve been hanging around Louie to long. Flies aren’t supposed to get wet. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Some have had success fishing over recently stocked fish using a "brown wooly booger" slapped heavily on the surface. Matching the trout chow hatch, as it were. I wouldn’t want to embarrass anyone by divulging this "technique", but it’s been known to work on the stocker sections of the Watauga. Haven’t tried that one. But how about this one: sixteen beadhead pheasant tail nymphs tied in tandem. Toss that rig into the pool and it looks just like a pellet shower. Works every time! –Steve

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Rumor has it that one Waldosomebodyorother has ingeniously adapted a cotton candy machine to spin Trout Chow and glycerine into pseudo hair/hackle.  Deadly flies made from this marvelous "natural" and "organic" product are being manufactured by the millions in third world country slave labor camps and being readied for release as the Trout-O-Matic early in the Spring. Tom  (rumormonger) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  We’ve recently moved to the north end of town, … Thanks for the report, Bruce. Some have had success fishing over recently stocked fish using a "brown wooly booger" slapped heavily on the surface. Matching the trout chow hatch, as it were. I wouldn’t want to embarrass anyone by divulging this "technique", but it’s been known to work on the stocker sections of the Watauga. — Ken Fortenberry

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 We’ve recently moved to the north end of town, near the east bank of the Rio Grande.  I’m on a dirt road for the first time in my life, and we’re the only home among six on our road that has no livestock.  Not fancy, but you can see the stars at night and we like it. On the west side of the river there’s a little old apple farming town that’s almost been swallowed by urban sprawl.  That little town has protected itself with zoning laws designed to preserve it’s rural characther, and it’s worked.  There’s also a spring creek running through that little town, next to the Rio Grande.  The creek was remanufactured (probably over 100 years ago) to run through a man made channel and it looks like an irrigation ditch.  Unlike all of the other ditches that make up the Albuquerque drain system, however, this one runs clear and cold all year long and has lots of aquatic plant life and insects.  There’s fish in there all year round, but in the winter it’s also stocked with rainbows.  The fish spread out over the length of the "clear ditch" and are very spooky.  The banks are also very high, which makes it difficult to be stealthy.  It’s known as my state’s most technically demanding flyfishing.  In five previous tries, usually consisting of a couple hours of fishing, I’ve caught a grand total of one pretty large rainbow. Thursday afternoon, I tried again, this time with a good friend from work.  We parked near another ditch, a muddy one, and started to get rigged up.  A fellow walking down the opposite bank asked if my truck was ok (maybe he thought I was parking in a strange place).  My friend asked if there’s a better place to park to fish the clear ditch, and our new friend obliged us by pointing me to a better place to park than I’ve ever discovered before, just through a small gate to a prime stretch of water.  My truck was the only vehicle there, but this spot was obviously not a secret.  You could tell people park there often. When we got to the ditch, there was no problem finding fish.  In the first depression we spotted a couple little rainbows that we managed not to spook.  No luck.  My friend was fishing tiny dries and I, tiny nymphs.  We moved all over and tried every trick we know to no avail. We’d fish where we saw fish and none of them were interested in our imitations.  There was a terrific hatch of small mayflies but our stocker friends in front of us weren’t feeding on them actively.  A couple of times, in frustration, we stood up on the bank and showed ourselves to the fish and instead of the two or three we had spotted, twenty or thirty of them would begin swirling in front of us but they wouldn’t leave the depression they were sitting in.  We weren’t catching any fish, but we were having fun trying. More fishermen appeared in our primo stretch of water.  The bait guys (two of them) kept their distance and fished from the bushes, drifting single eggs to the fish with no luck.  The other fly fishermen, however, were not a shy, asking us how we were doing, spooking fish as they walked past us up on the streambank.  There were four other fly fishermen, all kids, and they had no clue about fishing manners, but they were just kids and they were nice.  And we weren’t catching any fish anyway. I spotted a 15" carp and before i could cast to him, while trying to get into postition, lost sight of him.  He was real spooky.  My friend and I spent some more time walking to get away from the others and I had told my friend to keep an eye out for larger carp.  He called me over because he had spotted a ‘white’ fish and wanted me to drift my nymph to it.  He thought maybe it was a smaller carp an it was sitting on the bottom. My glasses must be better than his because i could tell right away that it was a white goldfish about 7 inches long, and he was flanked in the water by no less than 4 other goldfish, all gold.  Those goldfish must be selective feeders.  I tried midges, scuds, mayflies, all to no avail.  I thought SJ fish were selective!  Well, it got dark and we went home. So, if anyone wants to visit me and sight fish for goldfish, let me know bruce h — bare your soul let your spirit burn out along the road to no return – r.e. keen

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rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw,

You really think so? Never mind, then. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Which is one reason why I do it. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf):  It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.

_____  gee r.w.?  You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1)  Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators 2)  Green Chernobyl Fish-Fuzz 3)  Chernobyl (half-life) Sun Tan Cream 4)  The Dirty Nuclear Green Machine Fly 5)  Heavy Hydrogen Sinking Chernobyl Tippets I have more, but out of respect to your point of view, I cannot release these products.

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_____  gee r.w.?  You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1)  Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators

Great product name. George. You may be crazy, but you aren’t stupid. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry. El Paso Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry.

This has nothing to do with anything, but RWJ’s post reminded me of the story: I’ve known a lot of stupid people in my life, but one guy stands out in my memory.   He was a coworker many years ago who, through little fault of his own, had apparently no concept of the world most of us consider normal. From our conversations over the years, I concluded that he’d been raised in a home situation lacking in intellectual stimulation, financial stability, and positive encouragement.   On top of that, he was of small stature, and seemed to feel a constant need to prove that he was both tough and smart. He was, in fact, insecure and not very bright.   But that’s only background. He took up body building, and I believe he seriously thought about pursuing a career as a "professional wrestler".   He began weight lifting, and in his desire to acquire the bodybuilder look, he decided that he needed a tan; and he answered one of those back-of-the-magazine ads for a product that allows you to "tan without the sun".   I don’t know what was in the pills he received, but he took them as directed (knowing him though, probably at twice the dosage).   He was encouraged that his skin did begin to darken, and he continued his regimen.   Ultimately, he turned orange.   Not brightly, of course, but as the color effect intensified over time, there wasn’t a hint of brown to be seen.   He was undoubtedly orange.   He, of course, saw this an a precursor to "tan" and kept taking the pills, until he was unmistakably orange right down to his fingernails. In the end, he only earned the nickname "Agent Orange" that stayed with him for the rest of the time we knew him.   What a character.

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rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw, "rw" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.

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…to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf):  It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F. Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox.  Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa.  Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." —

that one is funny until you think about it. Peter

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"Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it.

Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.

Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox.  Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa.  Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I shoulda used this tactic with my ex-wife. The insurance money would have bought *several* nice bamboo rods. <g

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."

– Charles Reaves

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." — Charles Reaves

I’ve seen a few sites that cover landmines (I think I have them bookmarked somewhere) plus prgrams on Canadian and British demining teams at work in places like Bosnia.   Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."

I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I am planning to buy a decommissioned fishing boat in Holland. The vessel was built in the fifties, and probably has the original engine, a 150 HP Deutz SAM 528. I found nothing on the web concerning this engine (I am waiting for a reply from Deutz). Does anyone know, if parts are still available?

Deutz engines are/were very much used in our inland cargo vessels. Try some of our local shipyards in the Rotterdam area about parts and rebuilding of those engines. If you need some adresses send me an email and I will buy the dutch weekly cargo newspaper and give you a list of shipyards. regards, — Norbert Koster "Sundiver" Diamond aka Halcyon 27 Netherlands e-mail:   remove "remove_this" from email adress

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I am planning to buy a decommissioned fishing boat…has the original engine, a 150 HP Deutz SAM 528. …nothing on the web….Does anyone know, if parts are still available?

Try looking at   http://www.deutz.de/framee.htm   . There’s a gent who sometimes shows his face on this NG and on the TrawlerWorld List ….  Paul Kruse.  He has done extensive comparisons in the course of selecting engines for two boats that he and his son are building, and is quite knowledgeable.  I know that he has quite a bit of information on the Deutz.  Also, another fellow on the TWL (Peter Denton) is, I believe, in the final stages of a large trawler he’s building (in his back yard) in which he has installed a Deutz. Regards, John Gaquin m/v Brefnie Queen 32′ Luhrs

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Hmm….I wonder if it’s AIR COOLED!  All the Deutz diesels I ever encountered or ran were air cooled.  I had some driving 3 phase alternators in Iran that were V-16’s.  They ran faultlessly 24/7 and only came down when we changed the oil in 40C desert heat!…. Air cooled, with a fan in a shroud that could fly a jet, with no water jacket, they were VERY LOUD, indeed!  You had to wear hearing protection to get within 30 ft of one powered up and running 1500 RPM pulling a load….THAT loud. larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to buy a decommissioned fishing boat in Holland. The vessel was built in the fifties, and probably has the original engine, a 150 HP Deutz SAM 528. I found nothing on the web concerning this engine (I am waiting for a reply from Deutz). Does anyone know, if parts are still available? Thanks Peter Kiss Before you buy.

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I am planning to buy a decommissioned fishing boat in Holland. The vessel was built in the fifties, and probably has the original engine, a 150 HP Deutz SAM 528. I found nothing on the web concerning this engine (I am waiting for a reply from Deutz). Does anyone know, if parts are still available? Thanks Peter Kiss Before you buy.

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Hello all,   I’ll be moving to Tokyo for 6 months next year, and was wondering if anyone had any experiences flyfishing in Japan that they could share with me? Is it possible? Places to go, best shops, etc?   Any information is appreciated. –KDR Before you buy.

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You might like to have a look at : http://www.ozemail.com.au/~kamosida/indexeng.html TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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Thank GOD (and you, too, Steve) for an actual flyfishin’ post! Too good to snip – I’m leaving the whole thing intact! /daytripper (it’s gonna be one long GD winter!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The holiday season is just about done here now and I can return to my local streams from the ‘holiday’ I take from fishing this time every year… Oh, I fished once or twice,  once at the behest of my brother-in-law and his son.  Having invested a little time teaching them to cast previously, I was interested to see how they’d progressed … and their camp was near some of my favourite nearby mountain stream. Anyhow, I arrived later than I’d hoped (around 7am) and found them still in bed … AND  they left their fly gear at home and were bent on using bait and lures.  I guess its hard to give up old ways that you’ve had success with, they won’t leave the fly gear at home again.   There are lots of snakes (mostly tigers) in the area we were to fish… snakes weird me out, but some  birds help locate them – some of the larger species attack snakes that get too close to their roosts – the racket the birds make is fair warning … I haven’t seen that for a year or so now,  though I still see lots of snakes.  It is a pity the birds don’t seem to squawk and swoop the swimming tigers – another good reason to fish upstream. So after warnings about snakes,  watching where you put appendages, we set off to some relatively difficult to get to water … me pointing out likely pools where they may try their luck when I left at lunch time. An average day’s highlight – getting it all right – almost.  As we approached a pool through the bush I was yammering on about being cautious approaching pools … and right on cue the sight of a good brown finishing a rise  and slinking back into the depths of the pool put a nice little exclamation mark on my commentary.  The rise was in the bubble line at the head of the pool.  We waited, the three of us, but it didn’t show again in 15 minutes.  The lad became restless, and headed off downstream to the main body and tailout of the pool … there were fish there, I’d scouted it earlier while wading but I suspect they see a lot of hardware.   We wait … still nothing … patience deserts me to.   As the fly is worked across the pool to the bubble line and beyond to a rock ledge where I’ve had fish before, a commentary on roll-casting and working the head of the pool is met with attentive grunts and yeps from my brother-in-law … at the ledge a slick graceful rise and an audible slurp added the final touch.  The fish took a couple of metres of line and hung me up under a log.  My brother-in-law saw all this and commented that: "It was just like on television".   I wish I’d let him roll-cast that fly over there.   We shared water and heckled each other till lunch – the fly worked – the lures didn’t.   That evening they went to the places I directed them to earlier, and witnessed their first major evening rise and had their first major skunking. From the excited phone call I received later in the week thanking me, they described  "fish leaping and splashing … insects everywhere … no hope with bait or lure…It was amazing … ", the river did her part and I guess I didn’t do to badly either.   All that was over a fortnight ago, and today was very different – I was alone. Checked and dismissed some access points – god some people are thoughtless, littering imbeciles.  I really wasn’t in the mood for new water today anyway, I didn’t want to think to much about what I was doing. So it was back to a lowland haunt, where I know the riffles that tend to hold fish during hot weather … cool and drizzly mornings like this morning are invigorating for fish and fisherman alike after a hot spell. Fishing the riffles and bubble lines produced fish all morning till a weather change came through rather more early and a lot stronger than expected – I really hate it when a  tree branch  crashes into the drink next to me … still its probably a better ticker test than any ECG. Wandering the banks, thoughts tend to meander a bit – back to the trip above, health, scenery, the creatures …..   The wind picked up a little, the hills became visible as the clouds lifted.  The wind blowing over the hills causes updrafts and eddies on the hillsides much like a pool, but on a grander scale.  The remaining wisps of fog and mist clinging to the trees are sucked up into the cloud bank above the hills … I’ve been here a hundred times and not seen that here before.   A high-flying flock of Ibis had me mistaking them for cormorants and cursing their existence. Recalling the ROFF thread about cormorants had me wondering about some of the imbalances foist on the river recently. What about the last fish – it had gashes down its back – parallel scars. Ibis? – marsh birds I think … I did see a Heron earlier the water is so low – even for this time of year – the secure lies are becoming thin on the ground – so to speak.   Someone, with all good intentions no doubt, has decided to clear steep sections of the bank of all vegetation, reinforce them with tonnes of rock, and replant with what looks like typical suburban rockery plants.  Those plants will not survive the next flood. In the meantime, these sections of river have been denuded of fish habitat.  In one section this has caused an increased flow around a now uniform bend, which has virtually destroyed the pool that formed below it and has shifted tonnes of gravel downstream to be deposited on a beach that wasn’t there a couple of years ago. Rivers change but I prefer nature to do it … For some unkown reason, the Bellbirds were particularly plentiful today, their calls certainly add ambience to the river.  I think I winged a Wren on a back cast by the racket that exploded behind me on one cast.   Still it wasn’t as bad as the Swallow that tangled in my leader and hit the drink – what a ruckus – Swallow and leader survived.  What  the hell was making that odd call – it sounded like what I imagine to be the laugh of some ROFFians after to many stogies.  Possibly  black parrots, its that time of year … Steve

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Steve,   Wow!!! Who cares if it was long….you just made winter go away for a minute or two, at least. Thanks!                            Tom Littleton

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The holiday season is just about done here now and I can return to my local streams from the ‘holiday’ I take from fishing this time every year… Oh, I fished once or twice,  once at the behest of my brother-in-law and his son.  Having invested a little time teaching them to cast previously, I was interested to see how they’d progressed … and their camp was near some of my favourite nearby mountain stream. Anyhow, I arrived later than I’d hoped (around 7am) and found them still in bed … AND  they left their fly gear at home and were bent on using bait and lures.  I guess its hard to give up old ways that you’ve had success with, they won’t leave the fly gear at home again.   There are lots of snakes (mostly tigers) in the area we were to fish… snakes weird me out, but some  birds help locate them – some of the larger species attack snakes that get too close to their roosts – the racket the birds make is fair warning … I haven’t seen that for a year or so now,  though I still see lots of snakes.  It is a pity the birds don’t seem to squawk and swoop the swimming tigers – another good reason to fish upstream. So after warnings about snakes,  watching where you put appendages, we set off to some relatively difficult to get to water … me pointing out likely pools where they may try their luck when I left at lunch time. An average day’s highlight – getting it all right – almost.  As we approached a pool through the bush I was yammering on about being cautious approaching pools … and right on cue the sight of a good brown finishing a rise  and slinking back into the depths of the pool put a nice little exclamation mark on my commentary.  The rise was in the bubble line at the head of the pool.  We waited, the three of us, but it didn’t show again in 15 minutes.  The lad became restless, and headed off downstream to the main body and tailout of the pool … there were fish there, I’d scouted it earlier while wading but I suspect they see a lot of hardware.   We wait … still nothing … patience deserts me to.   As the fly is worked across the pool to the bubble line and beyond to a rock ledge where I’ve had fish before, a commentary on roll-casting and working the head of the pool is met with attentive grunts and yeps from my brother-in-law … at the ledge a slick graceful rise and an audible slurp added the final touch.  The fish took a couple of metres of line and hung me up under a log.  My brother-in-law saw all this and commented that: "It was just like on television".   I wish I’d let him roll-cast that fly over there.   We shared water and heckled each other till lunch – the fly worked – the lures didn’t.   That evening they went to the places I directed them to earlier, and witnessed their first major evening rise and had their first major skunking. From the excited phone call I received later in the week thanking me, they described  "fish leaping and splashing … insects everywhere … no hope with bait or lure…It was amazing … ", the river did her part and I guess I didn’t do to badly either.   All that was over a fortnight ago, and today was very different – I was alone. Checked and dismissed some access points – god some people are thoughtless, littering imbeciles.  I really wasn’t in the mood for new water today anyway, I didn’t want to think to much about what I was doing. So it was back to a lowland haunt, where I know the riffles that tend to hold fish during hot weather … cool and drizzly mornings like this morning are invigorating for fish and fisherman alike after a hot spell. Fishing the riffles and bubble lines produced fish all morning till a weather change came through rather more early and a lot stronger than expected – I really hate it when a  tree branch  crashes into the drink next to me … still its probably a better ticker test than any ECG. Wandering the banks, thoughts tend to meander a bit – back to the trip above, health, scenery, the creatures …..   The wind picked up a little, the hills became visible as the clouds lifted.  The wind blowing over the hills causes updrafts and eddies on the hillsides much like a pool, but on a grander scale.  The remaining wisps of fog and mist clinging to the trees are sucked up into the cloud bank above the hills … I’ve been here a hundred times and not seen that here before.   A high-flying flock of Ibis had me mistaking them for cormorants and cursing their existence. Recalling the ROFF thread about cormorants had me wondering about some of the imbalances foist on the river recently. What about the last fish – it had gashes down its back – parallel scars. Ibis? – marsh birds I think … I did see a Heron earlier the water is so low – even for this time of year – the secure lies are becoming thin on the ground – so to speak.   Someone, with all good intentions no doubt, has decided to clear steep sections of the bank of all vegetation, reinforce them with tonnes of rock, and replant with what looks like typical suburban rockery plants.  Those plants will not survive the next flood. In the meantime, these sections of river have been denuded of fish habitat.  In one section this has caused an increased flow around a now uniform bend, which has virtually destroyed the pool that formed below it and has shifted tonnes of gravel downstream to be deposited on a beach that wasn’t there a couple of years ago. Rivers change but I prefer nature to do it … For some unkown reason, the Bellbirds were particularly plentiful today, their calls certainly add ambience to the river.  I think I winged a Wren on a back cast by the racket that exploded behind me on one cast.   Still it wasn’t as bad as the Swallow that tangled in my leader and hit the drink – what a ruckus – Swallow and leader survived.  What  the hell was making that odd call – it sounded like what I imagine to be the laugh of some ROFFians after to many stogies.  Possibly  black parrots, its that time of year … Steve

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I’ve heard from a man that did it that building a fly rod, with the right equipment, can be done reasonably well and with about eight hours of work.  I’d like to invest in the tools and then spend a little less money and a lot more care making rods for myself and my spouse. Any recommendations on inexpensive tools of the trade?  What machines are necessary versus just a convenience?  The best rod building guide? And what to look out for on your first go? Lastly, which are the better of the less expensive blanks?  I’ve invested in fly fishing and fly tying and so I know that every fish I catch is worth about twelve bucks.  I’d like to get them down to around four dollars/fish some day, so I’d just as soon skip the five hundred dollar graphite blanks. Thanks for any info, Sean

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Rod Building Suppliers http://www.customtackle.com/                    Custom Tackle Supply http://www.mudhole.com                        Mudhole Custom Tackle http://www.shofftackle.com                Shoff Tackle http://www.angelfire.com/ks/bingham/     Bingham Enterprises http://www.anglersworkshop.com                Angler’s Workshop http://www.Cabelas.com                                Cabelas http://www.HuntersAngling.com                  Hunter’s Angling Supplies Expect to spend a minimum of $150 on equipment, closer to $250 for decent equipment. You’ll need a rod wrapper, finishing motor and stand, burnishing tool, exacto knife, epoxy, finish and syringes, mixing cups, thread St. Croix has an excellent reputation for quality inexpensive blanks. I’d have someone teach you the basics rather than learning solely from a book. Good luck, Ian McAllister Rodworks Seattle, WA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve heard from a man that did it that building a fly rod, with the right equipment, can be done reasonably well and with about eight hours of work.  I’d like to invest in the tools and then spend a little less money and a lot more care making rods for myself and my spouse. Any recommendations on inexpensive tools of the trade?  What machines are necessary versus just a convenience?  The best rod building guide? And what to look out for on your first go? Lastly, which are the better of the less expensive blanks?  I’ve invested in fly fishing and fly tying and so I know that every fish I catch is worth about twelve bucks.  I’d like to get them down to around four dollars/fish some day, so I’d just as soon skip the five hundred dollar graphite blanks. Thanks for any info, Sean

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Have a look at the rod building course at http://www.flyanglersonline.com that should help you out. TL MC

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While a rotisserie motor will serve the same purpose as a drying motor, it is the method of attachment between motor and blank that makes the real difference.  My first drying motor was a castoff from an old grill and could be made to work with a piece of all thread and masking tape to build up "bushings" to mount to the motor and the blank, but the problem is getting the blank and the motor shaft aligned so the rod rotates about it’s center rather than in an ellipse.  If you try to apply finish with the rod off center, you wind up chasing your wraps with the brush. It is next to impossible to get clean finish lines under these conditions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Am I right in thinking that a finishing/drying motor looks suspiciously like a BBQ spit motor, only much more expensive?

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Am I right in thinking that a finishing/drying motor looks suspiciously like a BBQ spit motor, only much more expensive? David Correct ! Works just as well too. TL MC

I’ve seen dishwasher motor rig that also works well for rods. What also works good is if you build a 6 or so inch diameter styrofoam  disc and attach it to the drive for drying epoxy flies. l—–l            [] l        l——- [] l—–l            [] motor  drive  styro the wheel slowly spins and allows the epoxy on the flies to dry in a symmetrically even fashion, which as we all know, will quadruple your chances of catching a fish. Walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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Perfectly true, assymetrical epoxy will cause any self-respecting trout to go into a hissy fit. Unless you are tying flat -headed, flat-sided minnow imitations. In which case, the motor is superfluous. TL MC

dang Mike….i never thought of using pox flies for trout. when i was a resident down south we used to make pox flies fer saltwater fish. walt — Ezflyfish.com                 Blue Ridge Book Gallery Quality Gear & Service        Used & Out-of-Print Books http://www.ezflyfish.com      http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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I use a really simple method. I took a dowel just a little larger than the sqaure hole on the BBQ motor and cut it square. I then took another dowel just smaller than the size of the Rod Handle.  I then drilled a hole in the middle of this and glued the smaller dowel into it. Once I had the "Chuck" made I simply took a bicycle tube and cut a section out of it. This can then be rolled right onto the rod handle and you have a good chuck that will work for just about any rod.  Plus there is no chance of marring the rod because the Rolled up tube is all that touches the rod. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While a rotisserie motor will serve the same purpose as a drying motor, it is the method of attachment between motor and blank that makes the real difference.  My first drying motor was a castoff from an old grill and could be made to work with a piece of all thread and masking tape to build up "bushings" to mount to the motor and the blank, but the problem is getting the blank and the motor shaft aligned so the rod rotates about it’s center rather than in an ellipse.  If you try to apply finish with the rod off center, you wind up chasing your wraps with the brush. It is next to impossible to get clean finish lines under these conditions.  Am I right in thinking that a finishing/drying motor looks suspiciously like a BBQ spit motor, only much more expensive?

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Am I right in thinking that a finishing/drying motor looks suspiciously

like a BBQ spit motor, only much more expensive? David

Correct ! Works just as well too. TL MC

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<SNIPPED A cheap drill chuck, obtainable at any hardware store, correctly aligned to the shaft obviates this problem. The best I have seen to date was a special purpose chuck with nylon "fingers".  Otherwise plug and  tape the rod end to prevent damage in the chuck, and do not overtighten. TL MC

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Perfectly true, assymetrical epoxy will cause any self-respecting trout to go into a hissy fit. Unless you are tying flat -headed, flat-sided minnow imitations. In which case, the motor is superfluous. TL MC

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What machines are necessary versus just a convenience?

Make or buy a simple rod wrapping jig if you plan to build several. The best rod building guide?

Dale Clemen’s Advanced Custom Rod Building from Winchester Press is more than you will ever need to know.  You don’t have to agree with everything he writes but he does cover just about everything.  Luis Garcia’s Handcrafting a Graphite Fly Rod from Frank Amato Books has great closeup photos. Lastly, which are the better of the less expensive blanks?

If you are in no rush check out those web sites that others have posted in response to your question around November – February for closeouts, cosmetically defective rods, discontinued blanks, etc. I’ll make one more pitch for MCT epoxy guide wrap finish available at www.fishdoc.com.  You’ll definitely need a drying motor if you decide to use their finish.  I like MCT better than Flex Coat Lite. After applying finish to your wraps, leave several drops of it on a Post-It note or piece of aluminum foil.  Later when you’re trying to guess how much the finish has cured, you can touch one of these test drops rather than potentially spoil your unfinished epoxy coating. Mu

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        I’ll second the Wekiva River Trip from Katie’s Landing.  Did that in a private boat last year with their shuttling….  Their’s is a good and responsible operation.  If you haven’t seen Florida rivers much this one’s a good intro.  I saw all the FL species of herons, plus limpkins, etc. on this run.         Joe P.

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If you want to drive a little further south (typically warmer as well) to North Palm Beach, you can rent Kayaks from The Adventure Times. They have regular guided tours to the Everglades and other local spots including intracoastal and ocean Call em at 407 881-7218 I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for paddling opportunities within say a 60 mile radius.  I won’t be taking a boat so I’m interested in outfitters or state parks that rent equipment. Thanks. Jason

Bob Denton President Gulf Stream International Boynton Beach, Florida Manufacturers of Sink the Stink The Water Sport Deodorizer That Really Works! For information on Boynton Beach, FL Scuba: http://www.flinet.com/gulfstream/scuba.html

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I go to the Cape Canaveral area often.  Fishing for redfish on the flats there is nice.  There is a non-powered only area north of 528 on the Bannanna river also.  You can rent from Extreme Sports, but they are not on the way, being about twenty south from the Cape.  Patrick AFB also rents to military types.  But all they have is small sit on tops.   If you want somethind exciting, the St Johns river, which runs from near the coast where I live, North through Deland.  The Manatees winter at Blue Springs by Deland.  They rent boats there. I’ve gone just North of lake Washington near the coast.  It is very small at that point, so all you will see is the occasional airboater.  The gators there are the biggest I’ve seen.  I fly helicopters for a living, so I’ve seen plenty.  They will probably be staying under the water in early Jan.  In late Feb, they are laying out.  Seeing them on the shore is not scary.  What is is when they shoot down the twenty foot wide stream right under your boat, leaving a wake like the Creature from the black lagoon. I will only take my big two person there, as my 14′ single might lead a big bull gator to think "Yea, I can take him".  

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I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for … Jason

PalnJones is right on with Wekiva.  This is a fantastic paddle (for Florida-no ww).  There is a Wekiva State Park & they rent canoes (not sure about kayaks) through a concessionaire (Kings Landings Canoe).   Kings Landing is the Place to put in and go to the Marina (I’ve been, I had my own kayak with me).  Fabulous river (for Florida).  There is a kayak/canoe/outdoor store in Orlando called something like Travel Country – in yellow pages under canoes – they can help with directions & maybe rentals.  It is 10-20 mile paddle depending where you go and the Kings Landing folks will run shuttle for you. kevin

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I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for paddling opportunities within say a 60 mile radius.  I won’t be taking a boat so I’m interested in outfitters or state parks that rent equipment.

Jason: I would second the recommendation David made about Wekiva Springs; just north of Orlando but literally a wilderness area along the edges of the city.  Wekiva State Park has a well stocked canoe livery and there is also a private company called Katies Wekiva River Landing that rents canoes.  Katies has routes of 6, 9, 12 or 19 miles.  I’ve hiked all along Wekiva and have seen the operation…very professional.  However, I personally have not taken the trips.  Never heard anything bad though.. Katies Info: Toll free from Orlando 628-1482      Other calls 407 332-4470 Ranger station Wekiwa River State Park    407 884-2009 If kayaking is your game, Travel Country Outdoors in Orlando 407 831-0777 does not rent anything but they do have a half day guided trip to Cape Canaveral NWR.  Another kayaking outfitter that does half-day guided trips (maybe rentals) is Agua Azul in Clearwater (near Tampa) 813 530-7555.  They have one trip "closer" to Orlando that is on the historic Hillsborough River out of the Tampa area.  It takes us 1.25 hours to get there from where we live near Disney.  My wife and I have done both of these trips and from a purely novice point of view had a GREAT TIME! Happy Holidays! Robert   Orlando

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I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for paddling opportunities within say a 60 mile radius.  I won’t be taking a boat so I’m interested in outfitters or state parks that rent equipment. Thanks. Jason

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I’m going to be in Orlando the first week in January and am looking for paddling opportunities within say a 60 mile radius.  I won’t be taking a boat so I’m interested in outfitters or state parks that rent equipment. Thanks. Jason

There is a nice flat water (what else would it be) paddle on the Wekiva River, putting on near Apopka.  The water is crystal clear, and we saw alligators (small) the time we did it. There is at least one canoe livery, but I don’t remember the name.  Check the Yellow Pages. David

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

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Classic Sports International will hold several CME CAT.1 approved Medical-Dental-Legal seminars at great fly fishing locations this year including Peace & Plenty Bonefish Lodge,Exuma,Bahamas(May 29-June 2) Five Rivers Lodge, Montana(June 26-30) and King Salmon Lodge,Alaska

No Doctors or Attorneys wanted Please do not attempt to book trips with me After 20 years of outfitting I refuse to take Doc’s or Sharks Go to Montana and fish for no talent ,stupid cutthroat or Alaska,another If your looking to bilk us taxpayers for your fishing trips see above post As an American I can honestly say we are proud that you are so concerned about your continuing education that you feel WE should pay for it. Bend over America here come the Doc’s & Sharks

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Hi Guys.  I’m slowly getting into fly fishing and wondering about waders.  I only know about Orvis products and the other stuff from Wal-Mart. What other brands are there and not wanting to pay just for the name, what’s the best value for the money.  As you know, the most expensive is not necessarily the best value.

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I like my Hodgman breathable waders.  I’ve fished hard in them for three years now with no problems at all.  I bought mine for less than $160, but the new model is around $215 at Dan Bailey’s. Maybe you can find them cheaper elsewhere.  Dan Baileys sells their own relatively inexpensive breathables for $130. http://www.dan-bailey.com/ Cabelas makes breathables ("Barebones") for $99.00.  Cabelas usually sells good products and stands behind them, but I can’t vouch personally for these waders. http://www.cabelas.com/texis/scripts/store/+/CatalogDisplay/displayPO… Orvis makes an inexpensive line of breathables (Clearwater) for $130.  I haven’t worn them, but that a friend of mine swears they’re great. Unless you’re going to do a lot of fishing in very, very cold water, go for breathable waders rather than neoprene.  You can always wear fleece underwear under the waders. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above

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As you know, the most expensive is not necessarily the best value.

Blasphemy! Hodgeman, Dan Bailey’s, Bare, Ronny, all make good breathable waders for a decent price. LL Bean, Simms, Patagonia make damn good breathable waders for a bigger price but tis the end of season and the 2001s are coming,  check out www.rei-outlet.com and see if they still have last years Patagonia breathables on closeout. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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Thanks for the advice guys.  Should I stay away from the Wal-Mart stuff? From your replies it looks like the breathable are what I should get, other wise we sweat too much or what? Sparky

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Should I stay away from the Wal-Mart stuff?

Depends on what they sell. From your replies it looks like the breathable are what I should get, other wise we sweat too much or what?

I’m not sure if you actually sweat less in breathables than regular lightweight waders, but it’s more like wearing pants instead of plastic wrap.  You don’t get so clammy.  Because, you know, they "breathe".  You will sweat more in neoprenes, yes. Regards, Jeff

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My Hodgemaan Lakestream 4mm neoprene bootfoot waders lasted me about 4 years before I decided to give up on them.  However, early on, they developed a leak near the crotch seam which I attempted to seal using the repair adhesive that was supplied with the waders.  The Hodgeman adhesive never took hold and it dried into a hard stiff crust.  After a couple of uses, the Aquaseal that I had coated on top of it would be worn out from the crusty Hodgman adhesive rubbing up against from below.  I put even more Aquaseal on top of it but it turns out that a very thick layer of Aquaseal is not as flexible as the thin layer and it will eventually crack with repeated flexion.  So I gave up on them.  However, the later leaks that did occur, whether due to punctures or worn seams, I was able to repair (permanently) with a thin coat of Aquaseal w/o difficulty.  The Thinsulate layered boots were very warm and I usually only required a single sock even in freezing temperatures – the tradeoff was that the boots did not fit tightly so there was even less ankle support than what little you’d expect from bootfoot waders in the first place. The layer of air between my foot and the boot kept my toes warm.  The seams on the Hodgman Lakestream are glued and stitched but are not taped.  The connection between the boot and the neoprene held up very well and I never had a problem on either foot.  These cost between $99 and $119 typically.   Although I own a pair of Orvis (stockingfoot) breathables, which IMO have an extremely fair and honest warranty policy, I might buy another pair of Hodgeman neoprene bootfoots for: Saltwater 1) metal components on my standard wading boots face corrosion 2) even with gravel guards and a flats bootie, the pounding surf will force sand into the footwear. Float Tubing 1) your butt will get damp in breathable waders Extreme situations 1) if you are going to be in the water most of the time; your breathable waders won’t breath when submerged (though I suppose the vapor could escape out the top of your waders) 2) except perhaps for the Kevlar-coated breathable waders worn over thick plush polyester underwear, neoprene offers greater physical protection against prickly plants and jagged rocks. 3) on the coldest days, I still prefer neoprene bootfoot waders. The above is based on my preferences.  YMMV. Mu

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Hi Guys.  I’m slowly getting into fly fishing and wondering about waders.  I only know about Orvis products and the other stuff from Wal-Mart. What other brands are there and not wanting to pay just for the name, what’s the best value for the money.  As you know, the most expensive is not necessarily the best value. diawa waders are great

Before you buy.

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Hi, I am from New Brunswick Canada. I am a beginner in fly fishing. I just subcribed to this group. I would like to know if anyone could advise me on waders purchasing. I am looking for chest waders and I visited a few fishing equ. supply stores. I would like to know if  particular brands are more durable than others and any information to know before bying.   Tanks in advance for any advice. Pete.

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Pete;         It depends of what seasons and type of water you will be fishing. I fish in all weather and times of year, mostly from a float tube, and so like 5mil waders; the extra warmth is worth a little discomfort during the warmer weather. I have found the waders sold by Cabelas to be a good value. Ken…

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Hi, I am from New Brunswick Canada. I am a beginner in fly fishing. I just subcribed to this group. I would like to know if anyone could advise me on waders purchasing. I am looking for chest waders and I visited a few fishing equ. supply stores. I would like to know if  particular brands are more durable than others and any information to know before

Two basic choices: — boot-foot or stocking-foot (with separate shoes); — material:  expanded foam, traditional rubber on canvas, or all latex. These days stocking-foots of expanded foam predominate among serious fly fishers.  But many Canadian stores stock nothing but rubber boot-foot waders (always heavy and sometimes too hot for summer use.) The most practical outfit is also the cheapest — all-latex stocking-foots with boots of your choice.  (I wear Seal-Dri latex with Converse boots, felt-soled with hard rubber toecap on fabric uppers.) So long as you buy boots large enough to wear 3 pairs of socks as well, this outfit does for both summer and winter fishing (with or without long johns etc.) But foam may be driving latex off the market. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Hi, I am from New Brunswick Canada. I am a beginner in fly fishing. I just subcribed to this group. I would like to know if anyone could advise me on waders purchasing. I am looking for chest waders and I visited a few fishing equ. supply stores. I would like to know if  particular brands are more durable than others and any information to know before bying.   Tanks in advance for any advice. Pete.

Wardell and Bare are Canadian brands that are also sold in the US. They are both good companies with fine products. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip senseless twittering By the by, Charles, would this also be the same reason that you feel you must also top post?  If so, would I be stepping beyond the proper by asking that you dispatch the vile creature with a rather swiftly-deployed blow to the solar plexus…or a quick kick to the nards… Hoping with all earnestness that this truly helps, Hughsford Gentlingham Rectionsfield Who is this dude? Head marm of the Usenet?

Yes. — HTH, Tim

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HTH,

It did. Thanks. Russell And I was thinkin he was a kook.

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HTH, It did. Thanks. Russell And I was thinkin he was a kook.

Well, the resemblance IS uncanny. Wolfgang

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Maybe he is jealous as he has not a pair of waders to his name???????

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HTH, It did. Thanks. Russell And I was thinkin he was a kook. Well, the resemblance IS uncanny. Wolfgang

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip senseless twittering By the by, Charles, would this also be the same reason that you feel you must also top post?  If so, would I be stepping beyond the proper by asking that you dispatch the vile creature with a rather swiftly-deployed blow to the solar plexus…or a quick kick to the nards… Hoping with all earnestness that this truly helps, Hughsford Gentlingham Rectionsfield Who is this dude? Head marm of the Usenet? Yes.

!! Does Tony G. know about this?? /daytripper (anyone see some stray catz comin’ by this dump?

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<snip senseless twittering By the by, Charles, would this also be the same reason that you feel you must also top post?  If so, would I be stepping beyond the proper by asking that you dispatch the vile creature with a rather swiftly-deployed blow to the solar plexus…or a quick kick to the nards… Hoping with all earnestness that this truly helps, Hughsford Gentlingham Rectionsfield

Who is this dude? Head marm of the Usenet? Russell

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Why must you say?  Is there some huge demented freak standing there with a large-caliber weapon trained upon your person?  If so, you do so truly have my deepest sympathy and condolences.  By the by, Charles, would this also be the same reason that you feel you must also top post?  If so, would I be stepping beyond the proper by asking that you dispatch the vile creature with a rather swiftly-deployed blow to the solar plexus…or a quick kick to the nards… Hoping with all earnestness that this truly helps, Hughsford Gentlingham Rectionsfield – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I had a pair and they leaked like crazy, took them back and went out and spent the big bucks on a pair of orvis stocking foot waders….quite expensive i must say,,,,,,,but they are awesome. Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?  First of all, do people like them?  Second, I am wondering if I should get xl or xxl (by mail).  I’m tall and thin, so if xxl is the same height as xl, just wider, I guess xl is my best bet.

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I had a pair and they leaked like crazy, took them back and went out and spent the big bucks on a pair of orvis stocking foot waders….quite expensive i must say,,,,,,,but they are awesome.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?  First of all, do people like them?  Second, I am wondering if I should get xl or xxl (by mail).  I’m tall and thin, so if xxl is the same height as xl, just wider, I guess xl is my best bet.

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Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?  First of all, do people like them?  Second, I am wondering if I should get xl or xxl (by mail).  I’m tall and thin, so if xxl is the same height as xl, just wider, I guess xl is my best bet.

I am not sure, if these are the waders you are lokking for, but it might help you. http://www.outdoorreview.com/pscFlyfishing,Equipment/Flyfishing,Appar… ers/PLS_1395_72crx.aspx If this link does not work, have a look at www.outdoorreview.com and search in the categorie flyfishing. Good luck Wim

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Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?  First of all, do people like them?  Second, I am wondering if I should get xl or xxl (by mail).  I’m tall and thin, so if xxl is the same height as xl, just wider, I guess xl is my best bet.

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Does anyone know anything about Hodgman Wadelite Chest Waders?

No.  No one in this group has ever heard of them. Wolfgang

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I just bought a pair and will try them out this Sunday. Iv talked to two people in our club who have them and are happy with them. — Fly Fisherman With a Furless Naked Cat named Dub.

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If anyone could please help with information on purchasing waders, I would greatly appreciate it. I am on a modest budget. Also, I don’t know what is meant by stocking foot, etc., so please educate this knowless fisher. Thanks, Matt

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<<If anyone could please help with information on purchasing waders, I would greatly appreciate it. I bought cabellas for both my neoprenes (stockingfoot, meaning I had to also buy boots<with felt soles for better traction) and my rubber coated canvas boot soled (so I didnt have to buy boots) waders. Cabellas quality is quite high and I have been very happy. A friend on the neversink river in the catskills, likes redball. I plan to buy red ball hip boots next spring.After all you can never have too many different ways to get into the stream. In Montana I just wore jeans, but it is nice to stay dry. Sean Skilling

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