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 I am fishing in Hawaii for Bluefin trevally(omilu). I have had limited sucess and am fishing from shore.I have found areas that have them via. catches and snorkling. But the fish are particular, most days they chase the fly to the beach,only to stop shot of a complete strike.Other times they are just ON the hook and running. Is there anyone who could shed some lite on my short strikes.. Three days without a hook up,,,,, Jeff Brazda

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Hello Jeff, I have fished for them in Christmas Island south of Hawaii just above the equator where they are probably more plentiful and more aggressive. They like red/yellow streamers there most of the time. They like fly rod salt water poppers too. In a populated area, I would fish for them in the AM, PM and at night. With lower light levels they can be more aggressive. Also try to go places where no one else fishes. A boat would be an advantage to get to places that are not heavily fished. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am fishing in Hawaii for Bluefin trevally(omilu). I have had limited sucess and am fishing from shore.I have found areas that have them via. catches and snorkling. But the fish are particular, most days they chase the fly to the beach,only to stop shot of a complete strike.Other times they are just ON the hook and running. Is there anyone who could shed some lite on my short strikes.. Three days without a hook up,,,,, Jeff Brazda

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I am fishing in Hawaii for Bluefin trevally(omilu). I have had limited sucess and am fishing from shore.I have found areas that have them via. catches and snorkling. But the fish are particular, most days they chase the fly to the beach,only to stop shot of a complete strike.Other times they are just ON the hook and running. Is there anyone who could shed some lite on my short strikes.. Three days without a hook up,,,,, Jeff Brazda

Hello Jeff… I have had the same problem when fishing here in South Africa and Mozambique. The trick it seems is to use a fly (deceiver) with little flash. Just one or two strands of flashabou on the sides are sufficient. Best fly colours are chartreuse, then pink. Poppers are excellent, but if the fish are sitting in deep water, then they will rarely shoot up to the surface to hit the popper. Deceivers and a sinking line work best in this case. Also, the retrieve is as fast as you can. Hope this helps Regards Sudesh Pursad Bamba Flyfishing Adventures www.bamba.co.za Regards Sudesh Pursad Bamba Flyfishing Adventures www.bamba.co.za

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Tell Charlie and the others to be more respectful in the future and you will see all this nonsense disappear from this point on.

Just when you thought they couldn’t get funnier… — Charlie…

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____  I can take ass chewing when its justified, but you like everyone else don’t do your homework.  Why don’t you go back to the beginning and realize that I don’t take anyone on unless they attack me unjustly. That has been the case every time.  Check the treads Tom. If what you say about Wayne is true, then I’ve been duped by him and now you. Frankly, your attack on me is also off base.  Roff has turned into a vile place and has been needing a moderator for several years now.  I can assure you, starting from scratch, I’d be the last one a moderator would need to correct. If there is correcting to do, I’d say you’re off base on this one.  If you go back and TAKE INVENTORY my friend, you will see that it was Wayne that started writing dribble to me when in fact up to that point I never did that and if so in the past, it was so minor as to be just humorous and friendly barbs about lawyers.   Go back and check Tom.  If you dare.  I never attacked Wayne because he never provoked me until the posts prior to my challenge on what possibly could cause a reasonable man to say the things he said.  Consider this. If anyone in the future, from this POINT on . . . smart mouths me, which I won’t instigate, you take note of it pal.  I don’t call you Brownie, I don’t demean your name, I don’t call you any kind of names and I’ve always treated you with respect.  But when you come charging at me fighting other people’s battles which THEY start, then I say you’re sticking your nose where it doesn’t belong and you do not know the treads or those who start them. So, politely leave me alone regarding retorts.  I’m not here to impress you or to talk ill of you.  I would do that in private.  So you and the other feeding sharks who have no idea what the hell you’re doing, should do your home work before you. Again, from this point on, read the posts Tom before you get on my case.  I’m the the bad guy here.  Tell Charlie and the others to be more respectful in the future and you will see all this nonsense disappear from this point on. Let’s see, who throws the first stone after you Tom. I promise, it is never me. Get back to fly fishing everyone and clean up your acts before you start trying to correct me.  And don’t dig up old stuff out of context.  That also doesn’t fly anymore as it is self serving and those NEVER show the instigators I have challenged. Lately, do me a favor Tom.  Do everyone here a favor.  If EVER anyone demeans anyone in the slightest way, why don’t you point that out immediately in the future?   You be a test moderator and let’s see who gets to 10 points first. Think about it. Again, I’m not the bad guy here. Okay? — George G. Bastard Bamboo Fly Rods http://www.gink.com/ http://www.gink.com/chat

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Again, from this point on, read the posts Tom before you get on my case.  I’m the the bad guy here.   Again, I’m not the bad guy here. Okay?

so which is it?  bad or not bad? <G cb

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Something like this happened to me. As I am an avis fly fisherman for atlantic salmon and sea trout, I used to fish a remote strech of a river. Over the years I discovered many spots that regularily hold sea trouts but does not look appealing to fish so the majority of other fisherman pass over them without stopping. I teached a coworker how to fly fish and bring him there with me many time the first years together so he also knew my best spots. The year after he bring one of his friend and another one who bring another one…  This gave me a good lesson.When you want a secret to stay secret, keep it for you. — Carol Dugas Caplan Quebec

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Over the years I discovered many spots that regularily hold sea trouts but does not look appealing to fish so the majority of other fisherman pass over them without stopping.

In what way did it look unappealing?  What first made you decide to fish there? Mu

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Patagonia supports many environmental groups.  I’m not sure if they support an anti hunting group, since the owner of the company is an avid fisherman himself.  I’m sure they would let you know if asked. Anyway you are correct about their products, they are the best! Forrest FlyFishingREVIEW http://www./flyfishingreview.com Does anybody know the politics of the Patagonia Corp? I read or heard something a couple of years ago that Patagonia is a financial contributor to some anti hunting groups. I have not been able to verify this information. I hope it is incorrect as Patagonia makes some of the best flyfishing and outdoor gear that I have seen but I will not use or purchase anything from groups that suppport anti hunting. Any info is appreciated. bruce

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Does anybody know the politics of the Patagonia Corp? I read or heard something a couple of years ago that Patagonia is a financial contributor to some anti hunting groups. I have not been able to verify this information. I hope it is incorrect as Patagonia makes some of the best flyfishing and outdoor gear that I have seen but I will not use or purchase anything from groups that suppport anti hunting. Any info is appreciated. bruce

No, this is definitely not true at all. The atmosphere of any company inevitably reflects the personality of owners/leaders. The Patagonia brass are a brassy bunch, that like elk hunting, whiskey bottles and a good smoke every now and then. — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  */

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No, this is definitely not true at all. The atmosphere of any company inevitably reflects the personality of owners/leaders. The Patagonia brass are a brassy bunch, that like elk hunting, whiskey bottles and a good smoke every now and then.

  Well, this is not definitely not true at all–if that makes any sense. Patagonia supports a number of environmental and conservation groups some of which may or may not include an anti-hunting component.  The bottom line, nevertheless, is that Patagonia, on top of making the best outdoor gear on the market, should be lauded in their continual efforts to be a corporate good citizen.  Patagonia is active in fisheries restoration (the Big Hole grayling restoration project, to name just one Montana project) and wilderness preservation, as well as promoting recycling and alternative materials usage.  Patagonia makes a commitment to annually donate a certain percentage of their profits to their various causes.  I have no qualms (even though I often can’t really afford it) buying Patagonia even if it costs a little more, because I know that they’re making an effort to have a postive impact on things like fisheries and habitat that I value.  (No, I don’;t, nor have I ever worked for the company.) Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Does anybody know the politics of the Patagonia Corp? I read or heard something a couple of years ago that Patagonia is a financial contributor to some anti hunting groups. I have not been able to verify this information. I hope it is incorrect as Patagonia makes some of the best flyfishing and outdoor gear that I have seen but I will not use or purchase anything from groups that suppport anti hunting. Any info is appreciated. bruce

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Hmmm… you could ask them.   They have a web site at www.patagonia.com (who’d have figured THAT out?).   Me, I can’t afford that stuff anyway; but if I worried too much about single-issue politics of every company I did business with, it’d be a race between starving and freezing to death. .02, Joe F. who meant to boycott grapes, but never got around to it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know the politics of the Patagonia Corp? I read or heard something a couple of years ago that Patagonia is a financial contributor to some anti hunting groups. I have not been able to verify this information. I hope it is incorrect as Patagonia makes some of the best flyfishing and outdoor gear that I have seen but I will not use or purchase anything from groups that suppport anti hunting. Any info is appreciated. bruce

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Is there any spey rod manufacturer? Most manufacturer call them two handed rods, but they don’t respond to true speycasting, they are too stiff. Are there any soft action two handed rods out there? Does ST.CRIOX make a spey or two handed rod? Remove the * in the e-mail address, this is for SPAM.

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  Is there any spey rod manufacturer? Most manufacturer call them two   handed rods, but they don’t respond to true speycasting, they are too   stiff.

How do you know this?  Have you tried any of these rods to which you refer.  I fish with a friend of mine who uses a sage 1015-3 (a very stiff rod) and he can spey cast like mad – and he can throw sink tips on the end of a double taper with ease.  I think it is a myth to say that you can’t spey cast with a stiffer rod – it’s just not how they used to do it on the river spey because they didn’t have materials to make stiff rods.  Are there any soft action two handed rods out   there? Does ST.CRIOX make a spey or two handed rod?

Yes.  Try the Sage 9140-4.  It is a soft rod, and the rod that I happen to use (and love).  St. Croix makes a pretty nice rod though it seems quite heavy to me – it is reasonably priced though. From your questions, it sounds like you need to get down to a decent shop and put your hands on some rods.  All the talk in the world on this group isn’t going to help. Once again: GO to a decent shop and try some out.  If you live in the Seattle, WA area, I can recommend some places. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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Is there any spey rod manufacturer? Most manufacturer call them two handed rods, but they don’t respond to true speycasting, they are too stiff. Are there any soft action two handed rods out there? Does ST.CRIOX make a spey or two handed rod? Remove the * in the e-mail address, this is for SPAM.

try Winston Rods at www.winstonrods.com also Hardy and Bruce and Walker, two English makers have a reputation for making so called true spey rods but you might have a problem sourcing those rods to try. Hardy rods were once popular here in Canada but are now hard to come by as are B&W’s. Some Sage rods are of that type but I don’t know the specifics Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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  Is there any spey rod manufacturer? Most manufacturer call them two   handed rods, but they don’t respond to true speycasting, they are too   stiff. How do you know this?  Have you tried any of these rods to which you refer.  I fish with a friend of mine who uses a sage 1015-3 (a very stiff rod) and he can spey cast like mad – and he can throw sink tips on the end of a double taper with ease.  I think it is a myth to say that you can’t spey cast with a stiffer rod – it’s just not how they used to do it on the river spey because they didn’t have materials to make stiff rods.

since I’ve been interested in Speycasting I’ve heard that there are 2 kinds of double handed rods –  stiff rods for overhead casting and speyrods. I think Mike Maxwell of Vancouver BC and author of "The Art and Science of Speyfishing" coined the term ‘true speyrod’ – to describe his own line of rods I believe.  Other ‘experts’ such as Ehor Boyanowski and the late Roger Turner have said and written much the same thing According to Maxwell ‘true speyrods’ display a compound flex when speycasting (which is something like but not the same as roll casting) like a stylized S but with a big curve at the butt and a small curve at the tip. According to Maxwell stiff rods can’t do this and speycasts can only be ‘approximated’. Turner and Boyanowski have said much the same thing – but as they like Mr Shoalseeker and myself are Vancouver area boys like Maxwell could be we’ve just all been exposed to the same dogma – anyone else have any experience with this particularly in Great Britain and Scandanavia? From your questions, it sounds like you need to get down to a decent shop and put your hands on some rods.  All the talk in the world on this group isn’t going to help.

good advice. Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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This is from an article in "Fisherman’s Handbook" from 1977 which seems relevant to this discussion. Carbon fibre rods were just available when this was written. "Most salmon fly rods today have an action which may be felt through from the heavy tip to the butt. A tip with this fairly rigid action is required because of the need to "mend" the line or straighten it out. This need arises when the strength of the current varies at different points across the stream and the line is pulled into a bow shape as it is carried downstream. this in turn carries the fly back across the flow at an unnatural angle, making it unacceptable to the salmon. The fisherman must then roll the line to mend it as the bow not only presents the fly unfavourably but also lessens the effectiveness of a strike should there be, by any odd chance, a take. A heavy tipped rod enables a weighty length of double tapered line to be lifted off the water and mended with reasonable ease." The article also points out that before carbon fibre, built cane with spliced joints was the favoured choice as it resisted the twisting force better exerted by Spey casting. — Regards Peter (Remove "nospam"to email)

<snip  : :According to Maxwell stiff rods can’t do this and speycasts can only be :’approximated’. Turner and Boyanowski have said much the same thing – :but as they like Mr Shoalseeker and myself are Vancouver area boys like :Maxwell could be we’ve just all been exposed to the same dogma – : :anyone else have any experience with this particularly in Great Britain :and Scandanavia?

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A good spey caster can easily adjust the speed of the casting stroke and use any rod to their advantage.  This distinction between "over head rods" and "true spey rods" is also not particularly useful. In addition to casting characteristics, one should consider what kind of fishing he/she is going to do with a rod. I fish for steelhead in medium to big rivers, and I like to fish lazily. I hate to repeat shooting and striping line. I just roll/Spey cast long line (to me, at least, 70 feet or so) and swing the fly. Step down and repeat the process. It is so easy and efficient. (Effective? I am not sure because I hook steelhead every 30 hours or so.) For this kind of fishing, a slow rod gives me a peaceful feeling. I can enjoy more the surrounding as well as fishing.

- this pretty much agrees with what Maxwell says about stiff overhead rods vs slow rods; they are easier to spey cast and less tiresome to use through the day…. Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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Buy a spey rod from the home of spey casting (Scotland). Esthectically gorgeous, designed and built by reknowned cane rod builder David Norwich. David Norwich Icon Composites Hillside Works, Fountainhall, Nr. Galashiels,  TD1 2SU, Scotland from the USA dial 011 441  578 760 310 – Ken

Is there any spey rod manufacturer? Most manufacturer call them two handed

rods, but they don’t – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -respond to true speycasting, they are too stiff. Are there any soft action two handed rods out there? Does ST.CRIOX make a spey or two handed rod? Remove the * in the e-mail address, this is for SPAM.

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A good spey caster can easily adjust the speed of the casting stroke and use any rod to their advantage.  This distinction between "over head rods" and "true spey rods" is also not particularly useful.  What IS useful is going to a decent shop where you can try (with the guidance of a knowledgable speycaster) several rods which span the range of actions.

I totally agree. If Spey casting is redirected roll casting, as I understand, it can be performed equally well with either fast "overhead/European-style" rods or slow "traditional Spey" rods. You just have to adjust your tempo of casting to the characteristics of a particular rods. I have used a G. Loomis’ very stiff and jerky IMX 8/9 weight 15 footer and a Winston’s soft and smooth 10 weight 15 footer. I prefer the Winston because it is just a joy to roll/Spey cast with it. I would say it is more forgiving. However, I could do with the Loomis everything I can do with the Winston. Actually, I could do at least two thing better with the Loomis than with the Winston. The Loomis could lift more line more easily than the Winston. And it is fun to overhead cast with the Loomis. I could cast further with the Loomis, too. In addition to casting characteristics, one should consider what kind of fishing he/she is going to do with a rod. I fish for steelhead in medium to big rivers, and I like to fish lazily. I hate to repeat shooting and striping line. I just roll/Spey cast long line (to me, at least, 70 feet or so) and swing the fly. Step down and repeat the process. It is so easy and efficient. (Effective? I am not sure because I hook steelhead every 30 hours or so.) For this kind of fishing, a slow rod gives me a peaceful feeling. I can enjoy more the surrounding as well as fishing. — Shinji Unno                     Karaoke Party in Seattle, WA, USA? Also a steelhead fly fisher               http://www.sbkaraoke.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     Is there any spey rod manufacturer? Most manufacturer call them two     handed rods, but they don’t respond to true speycasting, they are too     stiff.   How do you know this?  Have you tried any of these rods to which you   refer.  I fish with a friend of mine who uses a sage 1015-3 (a very stiff   rod) and he can spey cast like mad – and he can throw sink tips   on the end of a double taper with ease.  I think it is a myth to say   that you can’t spey cast with a stiffer rod – it’s just not how they   used to do it on the river spey because they didn’t have materials to   make stiff rods.   since I’ve been interested in Speycasting I’ve heard that there are   2 kinds of double handed rods –  stiff rods for overhead casting and   speyrods. I think Mike Maxwell of Vancouver BC and author of "The Art and   Science of Speyfishing" coined the term ‘true speyrod’ – to describe   his own line of rods I believe.  

I’m quite familiar with the dogma, but I’ll stick by my statements. Note however, that I own a sage 9140-4 – the softest spey rod they make.  Partly out of luck, and partly I prefer the slower action.  As I say, my fishing buddy uses a 9150-3 – a very stiff stick – and casts a beautiful and tremendous line.  I don’t know what the hell it means to "only approximate a true spey cast" – nor can I possibly understand how such a notion is useful (especially to a beginner trying to find a new rod). A good spey caster can easily adjust the speed of the casting stroke and use any rod to their advantage.  This distinction between "over head rods" and "true spey rods" is also not particularly useful.  What IS useful is going to a decent shop where you can try (with the guidance of a knowledgable speycaster) several rods which span the range of actions.   Seriously, there is no better advice available than that contained in the previous sentence. As I say, I’d be happy to suggest a shop in the Seattle area. -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html NOTICE: DO NOT ADD MY NAME TO _ANY_ MAILING LISTS.  

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I’m looking for some new patterns to try on the huge mass of stripers that very reliable sources say are headed towards capecod. If any one has any interesting stuff that has a good history of working please let me know.

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I’m looking for some new patterns to try on the huge mass of stripers that very reliable sources say are headed towards capecod. If any one has any interesting stuff that has a good history of working please let me know.

I’m a big fan of the Ray’s Fly and the Bonderew Bucktail.  Killed them at Chatham the last two Junes. Bob Scott

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TR…Before I started guiding I started using my own brand of yellow clouser. First of all I tied it upside down. In other words hook up, eyes on the lower side. I started flyfishing in the salt in Rhode Island up in Narragansett Bay. Lots of rocks to grab flies. Having the hook up avoids loss to rocky bottoms. Stripers tend to hug the bottom more often than not and I found I spent more time releasing them then tying on new flies. My clousers are also tied like tarpon flies, tied in at the tail which avoids the ugly recurring problem of the material wrapping around the hook shank. My pattern uses four yellow hackle three inches long, six or eight  pieces of silver crystal flash  and a small amount of yellow fish hair. Turn it over and tie in the eyes. I use flaming pink floss to tie the fly. It allows you to really tie the materials securely without worrying about breaking the thread. Believe me it works. My clients have been using it and it out performs many other patterns I’ve tried. Good luck this season…Capt. Ted Bobetsky (http://www.flyfishing-the-salt.com) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for some new patterns to try on the huge mass of stripers that very reliable sources say are headed towards capecod. If any one has any interesting stuff that has a good history of working please let me know.

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Has anybody herd of a train derailment / diesel spill on Cayuga Inlet South of Ithaca NY ?  If so can you post the details. tnx

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I was fishing in Ithaca in November and signs were posted by the DEC all along the Cayuga Inlet  forbidding fishing until further notice due to diesel fuel contamination.

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I was fishing in Ithaca in November and signs were posted by the DEC all along the Cayuga Inlet  forbidding fishing until further notice due to diesel fuel contamination.

I had an article on the spill from the Syracuse Herald (?) on my site about three weeks ago.  I don’t know if the story is still up on their site, but I know my link is still up.  Check the Fishing News section, http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News Also, a deja news search may turn up a post in this group at about the same time.  I forget who posted it, but he had fairly good detail on the spill. As I recall he reported a whole bunch of floating trout. — Mark Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New England – Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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******* I was fishing in Ithaca in November and signs were posted by the DEC all along the Cayuga Inlet  forbidding fishing until further notice due to diesel fuel contamination. In a situation like this, is fishing forbidden or just keeping and eating? Why? William Buchman

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything

There are two kinds of Maine salmon fishing, for Atlantic (sea-run) salmon and for resident (landlocked) salmon.  Chances of an Atlantic salmon are very small: they run mostly in June-July.  August is the relatively poorest month for landlocks, but a reasonable prospect, best in the most distant and lightly-fished streams e.g. headwaters of the Penobscot R.  Your problem then may be travel time. Another special problem is Maine’s "trophy" regulations which (I interpreted when last there, 1994) mean that on most famous rivers you are supposed to stop fishing after landing one landlocked salmon.   A special and different place is Grand Lake Stream in SE Maine (Washington County?), a short river between two big lakes, with a couple of hotels, campsites etc.  I have not been there for 15 years, but there used to be very good fly fishing in that river all summer long, for landlocks and trout as well as bass, besides canoe-borne lake fishing too.  This might be the best place to take a visitor from overseas — if the quality of the sport is anything like it used to be…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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If you are ready to consider the province of Quebec (just north of the Maine border), I think you could easily find what you are looking for… As a starting point, I suggest you the pages "Hunting and Fishing in the province of Quebec (Canada)" http://www.ojori.com/outdoor/ehunt.htm Look particularly to the region of Gaspesia which is the closest "salmon fishing region" to Maine. Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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<<My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before. Consider Lakewood Camps on the Rapid River.  Yes, they feed you (damn well too), and the cabins are primitive (rustic?).  The fishing for landlocks is good, although August would not be my choice.  This is fly fishing only, catch and release. Phone Sue and Stan Milton at 207-243-5959.  It is about a 3 hour drive from Boston. Dave LaCourse

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I second the recomendation of Lakewood Lodge on the Rapid River. You may find it to be a bit crowded though. The Rapid has been discovered.

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.   The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0) Dave LaCourse

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.

Ain’t that the truth! ;^) The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river

I second the motion. Stan and Sue run a wonderful camp in a gorgeous location. The only down-side is the cooking is just too good (no matter how hard I wade, or how far down the Carry Road I roam, I still manage to gain more than 5 pounds in a long weekend!) Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0)

Wonderful indeed. But everyone reading this is hereby sworn to secrecy! Tell no others about this river and it may have a prayer of remaining a lovely river to visit… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.               Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus                      Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Remove the "BB" from my address to respond by email!!  < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be                     shared by my employer, etc…

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TESTAMENT OF A "YUFFIE" I fish because I love to shop in Orvis shops. Because I love to flash my Gold Visa card, which makes me invaribly important and visually impressive on C&R waters; and makes me hate the open waters,where C&K people are found,because they invaribly do not spend as much money, to be as "SPECIAL" as me.

Most of the C&R enthusiasts in my area are blue-collar tradesmen: carpenters, plumbers, guys who work for the phone company or the electrical company.  They are the strongest supporters of C&R waters near their homes, because they can’t afford rich peoples’ trips to exotic locations.  They know that if there is to be quality fishing for themselves and their children, it’s got to be available close to home. Because of all the television commercials, flyfishing chat at cocktail parties, and social acceptibility of C&R in assorted social posturings. I’m socially and politically correct.

Well, now that it’s so unfashionable to insult blacks or women, I guess you’re free to make fun of C&R fishermen.  Go ahead with your own posturings; our shoulders are broad.  Have a good time.  Why let the facts interfere with your fun? Woods Hole, MA   USA

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Did you check your sense of humor at the door this morning Bob?  I think Nancy is simply issuing a humorous barb to TBone (formally Tim I assume) Walker and not universally condeming C&R parctices. Andy

You might be right, Andy.  Still, I like to laugh with people, not at them. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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Well, now that it’s so unfashionable to insult blacks or women, I guess you’re free to make fun of C&R fishermen.  Go ahead with your own posturings; our shoulders are broad.  Have a good time.  Why let the facts interfere with your fun? Woods Hole, MA   USA

Did you check your sense of humor at the door this morning Bob?  I think Nancy is simply issuing a humorous barb to TBone (formally Tim I assume) Walker and not universally condeming C&R parctices. Andy

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I promised to take my mother flyfishing for a day. Since she has a touch of arthritis, and can’t storm around a rocky streambed too well, I’m looking for a half day float trip somewhere within striking distance of Washington, D.C. Preferably trout,  smallmouth bass okay too. Heard there was a place on the Jackson River in VA. A bed and breakfast with drift boats launched from the front lawn. Anybody know of it? please send a copy of your reply to me at

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I’ve driven past a Bed and Breakfast that has property right on the Upper Jackson and their pamplet said "fishing available". Its off of 39, west of Warm Springs..If you’re interested, I’ll post the name and phone number of the place the next time I’m over at our guide shop….Ron Bennett Flyfishing Virginia L.L.C.  804 467-6668 "Guide service for trout and smallmouth"

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great float trips on Pine Creek in Northcentral PA,…excellent gourmet restuarant and lodge at Cedar Run–Cedar Run Inn

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Unless they have been getting some rain, might be alot of dragging over rocks in Pine Creek by now.  It is a pretty float. Cedar Run Inn is pretty busy in weekends, may be hard to get reservation.                                       regards leo

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