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Things seem to have changed from the good ‘ol ‘357′ fishing days …… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only trouble I had was  with a fly fisherman who was alone in  a 3-4 person  spot and thought I was rude  moving into it.

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<snip Choc fishing maggots for carp in Japan. Excellent. Most Excellent. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

Maggots are great to fish on a flyrod. They are not easily cast off the hook, and are great fishcatchers. Good, reliable pattern for me. Herman

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Choc fishing maggots for carp in Japan. Excellent. Most Excellent.

And ethical. — Charlie…

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I ve been up at  Pulaski a couple  days  a week during Oct., generally at the Baseball field. The only trouble I had was  with a fly fisherman who was alone in  a 3-4 person  spot and thought I was rude  moving into it.

I fished the baseball field area many years ago (pre-ffing), and IIRC, it’s a madhouse of shoulder to shoulder spin fishermen.   Anybody who’d seriously attempt to fly fish there is crazier that I am.  :-) Joe F.

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……I think back on how insuffereable I must have been to my trolling and casting buddies when I went through my 20 years of catch and release flyfishing purist horseshit…..

Might be worthwhile to approach this from a slightly different angle. Ever stop to think that maybe you are simply insufferable……that it might not have anything to do with whatever dim glimmerings of a philosophy are bumping around in your skull at any given moment, or the way you fish? Something to think about anyway. Wolfgang

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 The "Unified Stream Theory"  has eluded the grasp of every philosopher  that has tried to fabricate it so far. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

LOL !!!  MT

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Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior No, not the back cast  but the latter

Before I fly fished and in the first couple of years after I started, most fly fishermen that I encountered did fit that mold.  I’ve met plenty however who are not like that at all.  My favorite moment from the shad trip this past June happened while standing in the river with Bill Kiene. He was talking in that particular Kiene way – I don’t know if he is trying to be funny but for some reason you want to smile or even start laughing when he’s saying stuff.  He was admiring the colors of the sunset when he directed my attention to a bait fisherman on far bank.  I’ll paraphrase what he said but it went something along the lines of: that guy might be soaking stinkbait for catfish but I bet he loves the outdoors and this river as much as we do.  So we aren’t that different from him.  And that’s a good thing. Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior No, not the back cast  but the latter Before I fly fished and in the first couple of years after I started, most fly fishermen that I encountered did fit that mold.  I’ve met plenty however who are not like that at all.  My favorite moment from the shad trip this past June happened while standing in the river with Bill Kiene. He was talking in that particular Kiene way – I don’t know if he is trying to be funny but for some reason you want to smile or even start laughing when he’s saying stuff.  He was admiring the colors of the sunset when he directed my attention to a bait fisherman on far bank.  I’ll paraphrase what he said but it went something along the lines of: that guy might be soaking stinkbait for catfish but I bet he loves the outdoors and this river as much as we do.  So we aren’t that different from him.  And that’s a good thing.

I’ve heard nothing but good things about Bill Keine. I’d like to fish with him sometime. Willi

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I’ve heard nothing but good things about Bill Keine…..

Sorry.  Been busy.  Give me a couple of days. Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Their comment was they  prefer to stay away from fly fisherman. I’m assuming you mean as so to not be hooked on a wayward backcast ? An interesting perspective…… Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior because they flyfish. This is unbelievably sickening to the average blue collar fishermen.  I think back on how insuffereable I must have been to my trolling and casting buddies when I went through my 20 years of catch and release flyfishing purist horseshit. I owe them for sticking with me.

No, not the back cast  but the latter. I guess each type of fishing has   it s own ethos, maybe  somewhere out there  theyll be a unifying   principals of  fishing  that someone will discover that works for everything.  MT

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No, not the back cast  but the latter. I guess each type of fishing has it s own ethos, maybe  somewhere out there  theyll be a unifying principals of  fishing  that someone will discover that works for everything.

That’s the funny thing. There is a common core, in fishing probably more than in any other human endeavour. If you read the english fishing publication "The Waterlog" it becomes immediately apparent where deep love and lore of fishing exists and where one can find these elusive unifying principals. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Their comment was they  prefer to stay away from fly fisherman. I’m assuming you mean as so to not be hooked on a wayward backcast ? An interesting perspective…… Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior because they flyfish. This is unbelievably sickening to the average blue collar fishermen.  I think back on how insuffereable I must have been to my trolling and casting buddies when I went through my 20 years of catch and release flyfishing purist horseshit. I owe them for sticking with me. No, not the back cast  but the latter. I guess each type of fishing has it s own ethos, maybe  somewhere out there  theyll be a unifying principals of  fishing  that someone will discover that works for everything.

 The "Unified Stream Theory"  has eluded the grasp of every philosopher that has tried to fabricate it so far. — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

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It’s like an addiction – you know it isn’t good for you, you know the neighbourhood isn’t the best, you know that nothing much good comes of it, but you go anyway.  At least once a year, I need my salmon fix. Those that know the Great Lakes tributary salmon hunt, find superlatives are non-existant and compliments stick south of the navel, yet it’s amazing how many of us like to get down and grubby. The Burnhamthorpe parking lot was a sight to be seen.  Not a spot anywhere, with the truly desperate parking on any semi-level ground not occupied by an immoveable object.  The new 2002 fishing car got broken-in as I scraped its belly on a half-buried concrete curb in an effort to secure the last stretch of unmuddied grass.  Truck habits are obviously hard to break.  Two weeks ago it would’ve been, "What curb?" My Scott SAS two-hander had only been out a couple of times and still didn’t have a fish to it’s credit – neither did the reel (in my possession.)  So despite this being highly unsuitable conditions for a two-hander, I took it anyway.  The long and the short of it – fair hooked three, landed one.   Though not Alaska combat conditions, one does fish cheek-by-jowl. There’s something to be said for shooting the shit with a half dozen or more anglers with earshot – sharing a laugh or helping out with another’s fish, spotting a salmon for someone, or giving ground when your offering has been rejected and letting someone else have a go. More than just fishing, given proximity to a couple of pleasant personalities, it turns into a little social event.  There is the odd dickhead but it isn’t much of a challenge in refusing to let the mood be spoiled. Probably take the bro-in-law and Scott out next Sunday morning for one last try. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Though not Alaska combat conditions, one does fish cheek-by-jowl. There’s something to be said for shooting the shit with a half dozen or more anglers with earshot – sharing a laugh or helping out with another’s fish, spotting a salmon for someone, or giving ground when your offering has been rejected and letting someone else have a go. More than just fishing, given proximity to a couple of pleasant personalities, it turns into a little social event.  There is the odd dickhead but it isn’t much of a challenge in refusing to let the mood be spoiled.

…this is so, well… YOU!  one of the reasons your presence at the roff gatherings is such a welcoming thing. well said… jeff (a sow’s ear)

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There’s something to be said for shooting the shit with a half dozen or more anglers with earshot – sharing a laugh or helping out with another’s fish, spotting a salmon for someone, or giving ground when your offering has been rejected and letting someone else have a go. More than just fishing, given proximity to a couple of pleasant personalities, it turns into a little social event.  There is the odd dickhead but it isn’t much of a challenge in refusing to let the mood be spoiled.

That’s a good description of the silver lining to the crowds on the Salmon River in Pulaski.   Yeah, it can be a bit testy at times, but now and then you find yourself, as much through luck as anything else, standing amongst a crowd of genuinely good-natured fellows out to have as much fun as you.   In some respects, there’s a parallel to ROFF in these situations.   A group of strangers shout, joke, fish, and generally have a good time in each other’s company; and the occasional dickhead doesn’t ruin the fun.   Solitude on a peaceful stream is still great, but there *is* something to be said for the group mayhem during these runs. Joe F. (ten more days ’til my turn.)

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That’s a good description of the silver lining to the crowds on the Salmon River in Pulaski.   Yeah, it can be a bit testy at times, but now and then you find yourself, as much through luck as anything else, standing amongst a crowd of genuinely good-natured fellows out to have as much fun as you.  

That sounds a lot like shad fishing on the American River in Sacramento. Now if only the shad would cooperate … — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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 I ve been up at  Pulaski a couple  days  a week during Oct., generally at the Baseball field. I ve found the  other fisherman up there to be a great  bunch of folks, willing to  get out of your way when a  hooked salmon  goes plunging thru the spots they re fishing, helping with   landing and interesting to talk to. The only trouble I had was  with a fly fisherman who was alone in  a 3-4 person  spot and thought I was rude  moving into it. As I was only there to  help a friend get started  salmon fishing I soon left    once he   got the hang  it.  I mentioned this encounter to some of the regulars   on the other bank. Their comment was they  prefer to stay away from fly fisherman. An interesting perspective……  MT

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Their comment was they  prefer to stay away from fly fisherman.

I’m assuming you mean as so to not be hooked on a wayward backcast ? An interesting perspective……

Well…most flyfishermen I’ve met really do think that they are superior because they flyfish. This is unbelievably sickening to the average blue collar fishermen.  I think back on how insuffereable I must have been to my trolling and casting buddies when I went through my 20 years of catch and release flyfishing purist horseshit. I owe them for sticking with me. Choc fishing maggots for carp in Japan. Excellent. Most Excellent. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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Greetings All, I live in the Tampa Bay area & would like some input from kayak fishers in this area as to what ‘yak you use

Not from the area, but I have a couple of ‘Rides’ I use for fly fishing and they are great boats. I live in Atlanta but have used them off Tybee Island and also around the Port St. Joe/Apalachiciola area and have had no problems with them at all. — Charlie…

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Greetings All, I live in the Tampa Bay area & would like some input from kayak fishers in this area as to what ‘yak you use Not from the area, but I have a couple of ‘Rides’ I use for fly fishing and they are great boats. I live in Atlanta but have used them off Tybee Island and also around the Port St. Joe/Apalachiciola area and have had no problems with them at all. — Charlie…

I’ll have to go test one out and see if it’s really possible to stand up in it like the chap depicted in the ad on their web page. Scott

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I’ll have to go test one out and see if it’s really possible to stand up in it like the chap depicted in the ad on their web page.

It is, but I’m not sure I could land a fish that way. <g — Charlie…

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Cockroach Bay is a "good area."  Still relatively undisturbed.  Too shallow for many powerboats.  Rich in fish and birdlife. Also try the sandbar just north of the Cockroach Bay boat ramp and separating the outer mangrove shore from Tampa Bay.  I used to wedge a paddle into the sand and tie my canoe to it; then, walk/wade the bar, casting off the side that seemed likely to be most productive.  Got snook, trout, bonnethead shark, etc., there.  Very pleasant even when fish weren’t biting. Jeff Jeff Harper jeff#doplay.com

| Greetings All, | | I live in the Tampa Bay area & would like some input from kayak fishers | in this area as to what ‘yak you use and what are some good areas. I’m | considering a Scupper Pro TW or a Wilderness Systems Ride.   I’m | thinking the Weedon Island area is a good place, and the flats area | between the Gandy and Skyway. | | Scott |

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Greetings All, I live in the Tampa Bay area & would like some input from kayak fishers in this area as to what ‘yak you use and what are some good areas. I’m considering a Scupper Pro TW or a Wilderness Systems Ride.   I’m thinking the Weedon Island area is a good place, and the flats area between the Gandy and Skyway. Scott

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My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff.

YES — my thoughts precisely.  I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!!   The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend.  ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL!   For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!!   CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^<     Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!!     Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!

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For a quarter?!?  Wow I am envious. I won’t be able to go garage saling until next week.     Deb Wise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday.  For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies.  In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets.   I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL!   I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott

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My idea of roughing it is the Hilton with room service!! LOL Donna

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I wouldn’t trade my camping trips for a cruise any day.  There are so many priceless moments with the kids!  Just picture my little girl, learning fly-fishing on the beach of a lake last year.  She was doing really good, and she got a bite.  My DH had told her to give it a tug and set the hook.  Well, the poor dear pulled like she’d hooked a shark, and a very surprised little girl had a little bluegill fly past her head and land about 20 feet behind her.  She caught it!  She was pleased, then asked if this 4 inch fish was too small to eat.  We quickly let the poor thing go, but what a memory!  Huddled together in a tent in the thunderstorm is another matter.  Lovin’ the great outdoors, Greta

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My idea of roughing it is the Hilton with room service!! LOL Donna

Me too!!  I wasn’t raised *roughing it* but my husband was.  Guess who had to change!!!! Candi

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    I agree!  DH wants to go camping for vacation.  I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back.   Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation!         Di’mn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely.  I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!!   The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend.  ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL!   For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!

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This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G.  It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR!                         Cindy  - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I agree!  DH wants to go camping for vacation.  I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back.   Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation!         Di’mn My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely.  I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!!   The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend.  ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL!   For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!

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Have to laugh because we are getting ready to head out for a Civil War reenactment at Wilson’s Creek, Missouri and not only will I be camping, it will be 1861 for the wekend – water in wooden casks (and don’t ask who’ll be using wooden buckets to haul it into camp), open fire cooking, and candles for lighting.  And all this as a proper 19th century lady, petticoated and corsetted.  Needless to say I am NOT bringing good needlework projects to camp – they aren’t period and they are too expensive to risk in the outdoors – it will be knitting and quilting for me this weekend. — Janet Rice

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     I agree!  DH wants to go camping for vacation.  I told him to drop me at the nearest Motel 6 (or preferably Marriott), and pick me up on the way back.   Sleeping on the ground and cooking over a campstove (or fire) are not my idea of a nice vacation!         Di’mn My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. YES — my thoughts precisely.  I have told DH numerous times that if I have to make a bed, wash a dish or cook anything besides nuked popcorn, then I am NOT on holiday!!!!!   The only exception to this was when we still lived in Lizard Land and we would go to the cabin in the mtns for the weekend.  ANYTHING that got me out of that *$*%*&%^ heat was a holiday — LOLOLOL!   For the ultimate in "do nothing" holidays, take a cruise — talk about sybaritic pleasure!!! CiaoMeow ^;;^< . PAX, Tia Mary   ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!! Nothing is complete without a few cat hairs — and they make the BEST specialty fibers too! No husband was ever shot doing dishes!

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We have 1992 motorhome, which was our ONLY home for four years, while we wandered the United States.My husband considered it "roughing it" if the microwave broke, or trees blocked out the satellite dish! Nowadays, roughing it is when he gets to a campground, and there is nowhere to plug in his laptop, and download mail!! Gillian in Polk City, FL "Cindy

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I miss camping, but DH & I have an RV.  It’s only 24 feet long, so we can still go down some interesting roads to neat campsites, but I must admit that it beats sleeping on the ground. )  When we go, though, BOTH of us are on vacation, so food usually consists of canned stew or beans, hot dogs and sandwiches.  I’m happy as a clam stitching or reading, but DH get bored easily & isn’t a reader, so the TV & VCR are nice.  The free campgrounds or rest stops are nice because we can use the generator (for an hour or two), but the "organized" campgrounds are nice too, where we can plug into the power and water and not have the noise of the generator (or the cost of the propane to run it).  I’m just toooo cheap to enjoy staying in an expensive motel when all I do in it is sleep.  I’d rather save my money for food, S.E.X. or, or, or….well, what else is there??? )) This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G.  It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR! Cindy  - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away!

Liz from Humbug

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This sounds so familiar, I can curl up and stitch or read for hours, while he walks around muttering that there’s nothing to do!  Campground this year has a fishing creek, I got him a license and a rod and reel, and let him go looking for fish. (he hasn’t found any yet, but it keeps him busy!                                 Cindy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I miss camping, but DH & I have an RV.  It’s only 24 feet long, so we can still go down some interesting roads to neat campsites, but I must admit that it beats sleeping on the ground. )  When we go, though, BOTH of us are on vacation, so food usually consists of canned stew or beans, hot dogs and sandwiches.  I’m happy as a clam stitching or reading, but DH get bored easily & isn’t a reader, so the TV & VCR are nice.  The free campgrounds or rest stops are nice because we can use the generator (for an hour or two), but the "organized" campgrounds are nice too, where we can plug into the power and water and not have the noise of the generator (or the cost of the propane to run it).  I’m just toooo cheap to enjoy staying in an expensive motel when all I do in it is sleep.  I’d rather save my money for food, S.E.X. or, or, or….well, what else is there??? )) This is what you need to tell him. You’ll go camping WHEN you have a FULLY loaded class A motor home, with a full bath, complete working kitchen and a closet JUST for your stash. And that he’s cooking and cleaning while you are on vacation <G.  It works sometimes! We got a 1978 motorhome, but it has a stove, oven and microwave, a bathroom with shower and a closet with MY stash for stitching in the afternoons <VBG. It also has a TV and VCR! Cindy  - who refuses to sleep on the ground after it rained and the whole tent tried to float away! Liz from Humbug

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I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday.  For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies.  In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets.   I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL!   I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott

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I had a bit of good luck at a yardsale yesterday.  For a quarter I bought a shopping bag of cross stitch supplies.  In it was a scroll frame with an assortment of bars, a Lo-ran thread holder with cards, a magnetic pattern board, somewhere around a hundred and fifty skeins of DMC, about ten odd pieces of fabric and a couple of booklets.   I am feeling quite smug at the moment. LOL!   I also found eight books on crafts and a cookbook that I didn’t have, but they weren’t such a bargain- I paid fifty cents each for those. Nan Scott

Lucky you!!!  You made quite a haul! Candi

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Oh, my.  For a QUARTER?!!!  I’m coming yard saling with you.  I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale.  Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. Finished 2/24/2000 – Sweet 16 (Silver Lining) WIP:Twins Sampler, Holiday Snowglobe, Teen Creed, California Sampler, America the Beautiful (Nimble Needle), antique green doll (Vervaco) Don’t risk your on-line privileges!  I report all Spam.

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Oh, my.  For a QUARTER?!!!  I’m coming yard saling with you.  I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale.  Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity.

This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly.  Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar,  booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar.  Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style.   An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started.   Probably a reflection of the area.   From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much.  On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott

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Where do you go yardsaling? I think I’ll have to make it part of a holiday some year!! Gillian in Vancouver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, my.  For a QUARTER?!!!  I’m coming yard saling with you.  I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale.  Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly.  Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar,  booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar.  Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style.   An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started.   Probably a reflection of the area.   From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much.  On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott

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Hey Nan– Are you sure all this S.E.X. didn’t upset your budget? BEG  Anyway,  enjoy it all! Tobie — WIP:  Silhouette of Bride & Groom (NP); Tallit Bag Cover (NP); Lace Border & Name (Endearments Old & New NP); Picture of 5 clowns (NP);  Ocean Princess (James Himsworth XS); Hanukkah Dreidel (NP)

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It’s interesting that with yard sales you tend to do better on different items in different geographic areas.  Having lived in a lot of different places, my conclusion is that this type of yard sale find is most common in areas where people have or regularly rent vacation cottages near their homes, like within driving distance of a beach or mountains.  Women live with the delusion that they will get to the holiday place and have the time to do needlework when in point of fact they keep house in a different location with fewer "mod cons."   My personal, if rarely met, standard is that it is a real vacation if my contribution to the housekeeping is tipping the staff. Nan Scott – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where do you go yardsaling? I think I’ll have to make it part of a holiday some year!! Gillian in Vancouver Oh, my.  For a QUARTER?!!!  I’m coming yard saling with you.  I’ve never found XS supplies at any yard sale.  Though I have been able to talk people into giving me entire boxes of scrap yarn for a buck by telling them that I use it to make afghans for charity. This is my best haul yet at least in items/cost, but I find cross stitch and needlepoint things quite regularly.  Unopened kits seem to average between fifty cents and a dollar,  booklets and magazines fifteen to twenty five cents and books fifty cents to a dollar.  Threads, fabric and misc. stuff tend to be sold bagged up in a sort of grab bag style.   An amazing number of people seem to buy very elaborate needlework projects for beach vacations and then never get them started.   Probably a reflection of the area. From a purely mercenary point of view, if the items are unpriced, look for the husband to ask how much.  On the other hand, I find that the asking price on yarn here is close enough to retail that it isn’t worth even bargaining for unless it is a slow day without many sales. Nan Scott

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That would be interesting… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I want to see you cast THAT setup Big Al

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Howdy All… Last July, I had the pleasure of spending some quality angling time on Yellowstone Lake in Yellowstone National Park. The weather was snipped headed out into the center of the lake. We began trolling from north to south, which was a bit of a chore with the winds blowing as hard as they were. I was the first to feel the tug. Unfortunately, with my slow 4 weight fly rod, it is often difficult to get a good hook set, so the fish got off. Many of you may be asking why I would be using a fly rod to troll with. The reasoning lies in the technique being used to land these cutthroats by the dozens. I learned this technique a few years back from my brother, who in turn learned it from a friend of his. You start with a fly reel loaded up with backing. Then, you tie to the backing 3 or 4 colors of leaded line. Leaded line is simply a lead centered line covered in some type of cloth-like material and is available for a reasonable price at most fishing shops. It has the consistency of soft wire. Lengths of leaded line are measured in colors, which run approximately 4 to 5 yards each. So, for example, if pictures at: http://home.earthlink.net/~reinkings Rick

I want to see you cast THAT setup Big Al

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Howdy All… Last July, I had the pleasure of spending some quality angling time on Yellowstone Lake in Yellowstone National Park. The weather was clear, though a strong breeze was blowing out of the southwest. We rented a boat and headed out into the center of the lake. We began trolling from north to south, which was a bit of a chore with the winds blowing as hard as they were. I was the first to feel the tug. Unfortunately, with my slow 4 weight fly rod, it is often difficult to get a good hook set, so the fish got off. Many of you may be asking why I would be using a fly rod to troll with. The reasoning lies in the technique being used to land these cutthroats by the dozens. I learned this technique a few years back from my brother, who in turn learned it from a friend of his. You start with a fly reel loaded up with backing. Then, you tie to the backing 3 or 4 colors of leaded line. Leaded line is simply a lead centered line covered in some type of cloth-like material and is available for a reasonable price at most fishing shops. It has the consistency of soft wire. Lengths of leaded line are measured in colors, which run approximately 4 to 5 yards each. So, for example, if you have two colors worth of line out, you can make an educated guess that your lure might be running four to six feet deep. Its a handy convention, and it makes keeping track of where the hits are coming from simple. Tie to the end of the leaded line 10 to 15 feet of six or eight pound monofilament. To the end of that tie a muddler’s minnow. I have found that there is no reason to tie a lighter leader to the end of the mono, just tie the fly directly onto the mono. As far as fly size goes, the fish did not seem to be particularly choosy. I fished muddlers ranging from size 4 all the way down to size 12. Over the course of the day I also found no evidence that larger muddlers produced larger fish or that smaller muddlers attracted smaller fish. For those of you who have never caught a Yellowstone Cutthroat, they are a beautiful fish indeed. When I was there, the fish had just finished spawning, and many still bore their spawning colors. Most of the fish we caught were in the 14" to 20" range, and each one put up a good fight. Many even took line. Yellowstone Lake is definitely a lake worth checking into if you enjoy the timelessness of nature and the serenity that it brings. The fact that the cutthroat trout are there, and will readily take a muddler’s minnow just adds to the experience. pictures at: http://home.earthlink.net/~reinkings Rick

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Hi there I am a 34yo m Aussie Flyfisher looking to find a few E-Mail mates to chat about flyfishing in there part of the world (wherever that may be) I am also an avid collector of Antique Fly Fishing Books so if anyone would like to See Ya Later Glynn Wulff

Howdy Glynn, There are two gents (I being one) that can help you out with some books here at ROFF. Ernie Harrison, who is a frequent poster here, is selling his collection off book by book. You will need to contact him for his list. I am a used, rare, and antiquarian dealer. My specialty categories are Sporting and Natural History. You can view my offerings at www.mercury.net/~wgwinter There will be some major remodelling (if i can get off my duff) going on there shortly to update the listings. Tight lines, Walt

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says… Oh, by the way Walt; please box up and send us all of your World War One and Two unit histories for the Museum.  We also could use a set of Pershing’s memoirs with his signature. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine.

Hell Wayne, why don’t we throw in the Korean & Vietnam units’ whilst were at it? Jeez, are you looking for "toughies" or what? btw, message received…. Walt

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Hi there I am a 34yo m Aussie Flyfisher looking to find a few E-Mail mates to chat about flyfishing in there part of the world (wherever that may be) I am also an avid collector of Antique Fly Fishing Books so if anyone would like to See Ya Later Glynn Wulff

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Hi there I am a 34yo m Aussie Flyfisher looking to find a few E-Mail mates to chat about flyfishing in there part of the world (wherever that may be) I am also an avid collector of Antique Fly Fishing Books so if anyone would like to See Ya Later Glynn Wulff

        well, glynn (hey, billy, did you ever spend any time down under about 1964?  that name is suspiciously welsh…), you sure have found the right place.  check our posts for walt winter.  and get ready to communicate. wayno, self-appointed chairman of the roff welcoming committee.

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Oh, by the way Walt; please box up and send us all of your World War One and Two unit histories for the Museum.  We also could use a set of Pershing’s memoirs with his signature. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there I am a 34yo m Aussie Flyfisher looking to find a few E-Mail mates to chat about flyfishing in there part of the world (wherever that may be) I am also an avid collector of Antique Fly Fishing Books so if anyone would like to See Ya Later Glynn Wulff Howdy Glynn, There are two gents (I being one) that can help you out with some books here at ROFF. Ernie Harrison, who is a frequent poster here, is selling his collection off book by book. You will need to contact him for his list. I am a used, rare, and antiquarian dealer. My specialty categories are Sporting and Natural History. You can view my offerings at www.mercury.net/~wgwinter There will be some major remodelling (if i can get off my duff) going on there shortly to update the listings. Tight lines, Walt

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My wife and I recently went on a 1 week trip to a river in the southern interior of B.C. Since I had recently returned from a week long fishing retreat in William’s Lake (got skunked), camping and quality time were the priorities. Now I should say that I’ve only recently taken up fly fishing (after a few not too subtle hints to unglue my butt from the sofa), and I’ve begun to develop a deep passion for the serenity it brings me, the beauty it takes me to and the opportunity it provides for moments of heart stopping, finger tingling excitement. In B.C., (with native species including Gerrard and Kamloops Trout) the majority of fly anglers seem to focus on still water fly fishing the many productive trophy lakes of the region. Therefore, it was that my own introduction to the Art was in the anatomy of lake fishing had done some reading on the strategy and tactics of stream fishing, with its drag free drift and line mending, it’s variety of pools, riffles and runs, but why pursue them when the"real anglers" stalked 10lb monsters in lakes as easily reached as any river?. So it was with little or no expectations that I brought along my 9′ 6-7wt, my waders and some flies. Just prior to our arriving I discovered to my dismay that I had left my somewhat meager selection of "river flys" at home but fortunately I was able to stop at a local fly shop where I picked up four Tom Thumbs and four nymphs (Pheasant Tail). When we reached the large provincial campsite the weather was hot and dry and the river clear and warm. After a quick dip to wash off the road my wife retired to the campsite and left me at the swimming hole with my rod and eight flies (with the 80+ weather the waders were banished to storage for the duration of our trip). It was mid evening as I made my first cast onto the smooth waters of the pool, using a Tom Thumb and nymph dropper. I’m not sure who was more startled, the fish at finding his evening meal biting back or me at having a fish take my first cast onto a river. After a short fight the river offered up a beautiful 12 in Rainbow which I kept for next mornings breakfast. A few more casts and a few missed strikes had it getting dark and I reluctantly returned to camp. Over the course of three days, and fishing only 2hrs per day I was fortunate enough to catch 20 trout all between 8-12in, and all but 4 on the Tom Thumbs. To say this was a revelation would be an understatement. Now I’m not saying I’ve given up my pursuit of the lunkers lurking in the lakes, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed trying to read the water and how I anticipated discovering what lay beyond that next bend. I realize now I had let a desire for catching only the largest of fish influence my fishing, that large fish were the only true goal of any angler. I won’t argue the relative merits of catching a 6 pound Kamloops or 12in river Rainbow, but I will say; that serenity, that beauty, that excitement. I found them on that river as well. Any suggestions on fly rod and reel combos $200-$300 Cnd that would be appropriate for river/stream would be appreciated

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I thought it was Left…across and down…drift….right…up and accross drift…lift left….mend right…forward cast left…mend left and THEN lift right…drift…up left.  No wonder I keep getting them tangled!

Excuse me, but is this fishing or knitting? Bill

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Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is illegal in BC. I’m not chastising, just making you aware.  If you’d like to see some BC flyfishing pics,  take a look at my amateur site. http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/freeman                         Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  My wife and I recently went on a 1 week trip to a river in the southern interior of B.C. Since I had recently returned from a week long fishing retreat in William’s Lake (got skunked), camping and quality time were the priorities. Now I should say that I’ve only recently taken up fly fishing (after a few not too subtle hints to unglue my butt from the sofa), and I’ve begun to develop a deep passion for the serenity it brings me, the beauty it takes me to and the opportunity it provides for moments of heart stopping, finger tingling excitement. In B.C., (with native species including Gerrard and Kamloops Trout) the majority of fly anglers seem to focus on still water fly fishing the many productive trophy lakes of the region. Therefore, it was that my own introduction to the Art was in the anatomy of lake fishing had done some reading on the strategy and tactics of stream fishing, with its drag free drift and line mending, it’s variety of pools, riffles and runs, but why pursue them when the"real anglers" stalked 10lb monsters in lakes as easily reached as any river?. So it was with little or no expectations that I brought along my 9′ 6-7wt, my waders and some flies. Just prior to our arriving I discovered to my dismay that I had left my somewhat meager selection of "river flys" at home but fortunately I was able to stop at a local fly shop where I picked up four Tom Thumbs and four nymphs (Pheasant Tail). When we reached the large provincial campsite the weather was hot and dry and the river clear and warm. After a quick dip to wash off the road my wife retired to the campsite and left me at the swimming hole with my rod and eight flies (with the 80+ weather the waders were banished to storage for the duration of our trip). It was mid evening as I made my first cast onto the smooth waters of the pool, using a Tom Thumb and nymph dropper. I’m not sure who was more startled, the fish at finding his evening meal biting back or me at having a fish take my first cast onto a river. After a short fight the river offered up a beautiful 12 in Rainbow which I kept for next mornings breakfast. A few more casts and a few missed strikes had it getting dark and I reluctantly returned to camp. Over the course of three days, and fishing only 2hrs per day I was fortunate enough to catch 20 trout all between 8-12in, and all but 4 on the Tom Thumbs. To say this was a revelation would be an understatement. Now I’m not saying I’ve given up my pursuit of the lunkers lurking in the lakes, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed trying to read the water and how I anticipated discovering what lay beyond that next bend. I realize now I had let a desire for catching only the largest of fish influence my fishing, that large fish were the only true goal of any angler. I won’t argue the relative merits of catching a 6 pound Kamloops or 12in river Rainbow, but I will say; that serenity, that beauty, that excitement. I found them on that river as well. Any suggestions on fly rod and reel combos $200-$300 Cnd that would be appropriate for river/stream would be appreciated

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is illegal in BC.

        oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days active time for using a strike detector?  20 lashes for possession of gink?  banishment to montana if caught wearing felt bottom wading shoes?         oh, well, the bureaucrats have gotta eat, just like everybody else, i reckon.         a. wayne harrison

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is illegal in BC.    oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days active time for using a strike detector?  20 lashes for possession of gink?  banishment to montana if caught wearing felt bottom wading shoes?    oh, well, the bureaucrats have gotta eat, just like everybody else, i reckon.    a. wayne harrison

I can only imagine the penalty for using bait! <g Dennis Haftel

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Nevertheless, he is correct.

20:00:13 -0700, "Don(River Rat)" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is illegal in BC. oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days active time for using a strike detector?  20 lashes for possession of gink?  banishment to montana if caught wearing felt bottom wading shoes? oh, well, the bureaucrats have gotta eat, just like everybody else, i reckon. a. wayne harrison I can only imagine the penalty for using bait! <g Dennis Haftel

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See for yourself.  The BC Fishing Regulations are online at http://monday.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Nevertheless, he is correct. : : Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is : illegal in BC. : : oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days My guess is (someone tell me I’m wrong or right) is that using two flies is *only* illegal in flyfishing-only water. Is that right? If so, then it’s entirely reasonable. They wanted restrictive regs based on equipment (unfairly discriminatory, IMO), and they got it. If not, then it’s probably in line with regs for other types of fishing; i.e., they probably don’t allow two bait hooks, or two lures either. So, that seems OK as well. Down here, you can use two rods *except* on trout waters. Then it’s only one rod per person. JonCook.

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: Nevertheless, he is correct. : : Hi, just a word to the wise. Fishing two flies on the same line is : illegal in BC. : : oh, come on…you gotta be kidding!  what’s next:  30 days My guess is (someone tell me I’m wrong or right) is that using two flies is *only* illegal in flyfishing-only water. Is that right?

No it is not right. The exact reg is that no one can use tackle that could possibly catch more than one fish at the same time. Some years back there was an exception for flyfishing that allowed the use of two flies on one leader. However it was revoked due "confusion". Many people did not understand exactly what flyfishing was and used 2 flies. 2 hunks of yarn on 2 trebles along with weights, gang trolls, trolling planars etc etc. . Ralph H note spurious hyperbole, insults and ‘personal attacks’ made by the author are meant to honour "the Soul of Cicero" and are not intended as personal slights. Please don’t take offense as none is intended. remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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[deleted] Down here, you can use two rods

[deleted] It’s not that hard either once you get the timing down… Left…across and down…drift….right…up and accross drift…lift left….mend right…forward cast left…lift right…mend left… What’s really tough is when you hook one… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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I thought it was Left…across and down…drift….right…up and accross drift…lift left….mend right…forward cast left…mend left and THEN lift right…drift…up left.  No wonder I keep getting them tangled! Joe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [deleted] Down here, you can use two rods [deleted] It’s not that hard either once you get the timing down… Left…across and down…drift….right…up and accross drift…lift left….mend right…forward cast left…lift right…mend left… What’s really tough is when you hook one… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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I’ve had good success with both a wicker creel (with moss or damp grass) and an ‘ArtiCreel’ (soaked canvas bag). The canvas bag is easier to carry around and probably doesn’t look as pretentious as the wicker so it is probably safer to use<g. Charlie…

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I’ve had good success with both a wicker creel (with moss or damp grass) and an ‘ArtiCreel’ (soaked canvas bag). The canvas bag is easier to carry around and probably doesn’t look as pretentious as the wicker so it is probably safer to use<g. Charlie…

It’s really a bummer that the ff industry (ok, Orvis) has made something like a wicker creel pretentious. I always fished with an old wicker creel my grandpa gave me when I was a lad, and would like to use one on any occasional trips I might want to take a couple, but I would feel like a fool carrying one these days. I should be able to say "screw it, I like ‘em, I grew up with ‘em, and I’m using one," but I guess I would hate to give people the wrong idea. Fish on, Allen

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Ralph Heidecke writes: When I kill a fish or two to take home I do the following to keep it fresh: (snip) Share other tips you have please!

To me, a canvas creel is indispensible.  Any fish you decide to eat are kept fresh and cool.  Great beer keeper also, as George mentioned earlier.  When you’re not using it for either, it’s a convenient place to stow litter left by others.   Best of all, the sight of a well-used creel over your shoulder keeps away those pesky Orvis Grand Cherokee types, who refer to all the insects by their Latin names.  ;^) CQ

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I should be able to say "screw it, I like ‘em, I grew up with ‘em, and I’m using one," but I guess I would hate to give people the wrong idea.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I still use mine on occasion, depends where I am fishing and how much I care about people think that day<g. Course I usually carry a cloth diaper to use as a rag (they’re great for cleaning fly lines and cameras, etc) so I suppose some folks may think I’m wierd anyway. Charlie…

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[rip !] I do no use stringers as in my experience trout kokanee etc will die with in a quarter hour or so thus there is little gained from their

Yeah, those kokes are sure prissy fish….pretty damned good smoked though. A metal clasp stringer, I feel, is not all that cruel, the fish seem pretty calm generally and an old brown trout will stay alive and fresh all day, catfish and other sturdy species could be released after all day on a stringer and survive.  Stringers are indeed best suited for lake use.  I have also caught and stringered brookies while backpacking that stay alive a long, long time. Whatcha do, see, is you go down, take one of the stringer, clean it and cut off its head.  Then you can insert a ‘weenie’ stick and roast them with salt and pepper…nothing is better in this world… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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It’s really a bummer that the ff industry (ok, Orvis) has made something like a wicker creel pretentious. I always fished with an old wicker creel my grandpa gave me when I was a lad, and would like to use one on any occasional trips I might want to take a couple, but I would feel like a fool carrying one these days.

Jeez, I sometimes lash a sawed-off, perforated gallon milk jug to my fannypack, and I’ve never felt dumb about it once…er…well, the point is, go ahead and use the things if you like ‘em.  I won’t laugh, and I have to wonder how many people *would* really care.  What if they did, anyway?   Dave DeLacey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fish on, Allen

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Moe Skeeter writes: A metal clasp stringer, I feel, is not all that cruel, the fish seem pretty calm generally and an old brown trout will stay alive and fresh all day, catfish and other sturdy species could be released after all day on a stringer and survive.  Stringers are indeed best suited for lake use.  I have also caught and stringered brookies while backpacking that stay alive a long, long time.

That’s true, as long as you’re using it right. If you’re using a stringer to keep your catch fresh, forget the common method of stringing ‘em through the gills.  The fish will stay alive a lot longer if you string it through the thin part of the lower jaw (near the center). I don’t use a stringer anymore, but when I did, stringing the fish through the jaw worked much, much better.  A gill-strung trout usually dies so fast that you might as well knock it on the head in the first place.  (catfish, OTOH, are damn near unkillable, strung through the gills or not.) CQ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’s really a bummer that the ff industry (ok, Orvis) has made something like a wicker creel pretentious. I always fished with an old wicker creel my grandpa gave me when I was a lad, and would like to use one on any occasional trips I might want to take a couple, but I would feel like a fool carrying one these days. Jeez, I sometimes lash a sawed-off, perforated gallon milk jug to my fannypack, and I’ve never felt dumb about it once…er…well, the point is, go ahead and use the things if you like ‘em.  I won’t laugh, and I have to wonder how many people *would* really care.  What if they did, anyway? Dave DeLacey

Yeah, like I said in the clipped part of my original post, I know it’s a bit stupid to give much thought to that. I wouldn’t be embarassed to be seen anywhere with the milk jug – at least the people I meet on the stream wouldn’t be trying to sell me mutual funds. I keep hoping that this whole fishing craze will die out by the time I’m an old man and I can strap on my wicker creel and fish alone… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fish on, Allen

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When I kill a fish or two to take home I do the following to keep it fresh: 1) stream fishing; place the fish in a plastic bag and either    cache the fish either in the sand or gravel of the bank or

I store the fish in a wet burlap sack out of the sun and clean ASAP. 2) float tube or boat:

Never kept one from a float tube trip!  See below for boat. I do no use stringers as in my experience trout kokanee etc will die with in a quarter hour or so thus there is little gained from their use: Share other tips you have please!

We used a stringer only once or twice for Kokanee. Very poor!  Instead we opted for a cage with chain attached with a little door.  This tied off to one of the cleats at the rear of the boat and could be lifted out of the water to insert another fish.  A few die, but several survive unless badly injured.  This is the best we could come up with to keep them fresh. -Burton — L. Burton Hawley         2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR

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When I kill a fish or two to take home I do the following to keep it fresh: 1) stream fishing; place the fish in a plastic bag and either    cache the fish either in the sand or gravel of the bank or    gather some grass etc and place the fish amongst this in my    pack. 2) float tube or boat:    in my tube I put the fish in a side pocket of the tube and keep    the fabric wet; evaporation will keep it cool and fresh    in a boat I do much the same; keep the fish out of the sun and keep     it wet; ie cover with a wet cloth; again evaporation will keep it    very cool I do no use stringers as in my experience trout kokanee etc will die with in a quarter hour or so thus there is little gained from their use: the deterioration of the flesh will actually be quicker even if the air is warmer than the water because the transfer of heat from water to fish is much easier than from water to air. In all cases evaporation uses heat hence keeping a fish out of water but moist to encourage evaporation will help keep the fish cool and  fresh. It is advisable to clean a fish as soon as possible; keep the fish out of direct sun and put the fish on ice or refridgerate as soon as possible. Share other tips you have please! Ralph H  

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Tim Walker wrote;

ok…stay open minded for a second here… during the spawn, fish for and kill the alternate species (i.e. when the browns are spawning…keep and kill rainbows).  Use an egg pattern downstream the redds.  Close the beds to wading. Theory: 1.  More of the natural spawn will survive (nailing immediate predator). 2.  Alternate species is culled resulting in better, although maybe fewer,    of these fish.3.  More fry is available to the ‘better fish’, thus

they get even better. 4.  Smoked stocker rainbow ain’t bad at Thanksgiving.

Nice theory but;   1.  What about the creek chubs, fallfish, cutlips minnow, longnose dace, shortnose dace, white suckes, common shiners, sculpins, stonerolllers, silverjaw minnow,bigeye chub, streamline chub, gravel chub, hornyhead chub, river chub, pearl dace,redside dace,….etc..etc.. and thats just a small example of a few "other" stream fish  from Central New York.  These will all eat trout eggs, so ya better plan on catching alot of fish.   2.  Eggs will not survive unless they are under gravel and have adequate water circulation. They will not suvive by just floating (bouncing) around the stream, and settling on the bottom doesn’t count. It takes about 145 days at 1.9 C for the eggs to hatch, thats a long time to be unprotected by a redd even if they could survive outside.  3. Why do you think trout produce so many eggs??  Brown trout eggs are typically 3-5mm in diameter and a female will produce about 800-1200 eggs PER POUND of body weight.  They can afford to lose a few.   4.  Natural mortality will kill off about 99.9% of the eggs, larva, juveniles before they reach maturity anyway. That just the way it goes. Remember you only need, on average, 2 trout to survive to maturity for each spawning pair to keep the spawning population constant.  And since some individuals will spawn in more than one year the number you need to survive in reality is less than that. 5. Your alternate competitor with rainbows theroy seems to make sense but;  where do you catch most of your rainbows ?? in the riffs right!  And where do you catch most of your brown trout; in the slower water, right! Thats because these species will naturally segregate to avoid (as much as possible) direct competition.  If there was indeed direct competition for the same habitat, there would be only one winner.  "No two species can inhabit the exact same niche at the same time and in the same place". Regards; Mark Arrigo SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry Syracuse NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last week I caught my first female brown laden with eggs. She was a vigorous fighter. After bringing her to the net quickly, I released her, and then discovered eggs in my net. Besides being more gentle in bringing them in, and being careful not to squeeze the fish, is there anything else I should do? I do use a catch and release net, which makes it easier to treat them gently. Many thanks. Scott Branyan Rogers, AR — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR

Do not handle them at all.How would you like to be pulled out of the bedroom during such an enjoyful act?

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fish for and kill the alternate species (i.e. when the browns are spawning…keep and kill rainbows).  Use an egg pattern downstream the redds.  Close the beds to wading. 1.  More of the natural spawn will survive (nailing immediate predator). 2.  Alternate species is culled resulting in better, although maybe fewer,    of these fish. 3.  More fry is available to the ‘better fish’, thus they get even better. 4.  Smoked stocker rainbow ain’t bad at Thanksgiving.

Tim, I would agree about closing the beds to wading,  in fact I think they should be closed to fishing. 1.  Trout eggs are buried in gravel, only the ones that float free are eaten by other fish.  They would not survive even if the predator fish were not there. 2.  Man is not a good tool to use for culling, nature is.  Man destroys all things equally, nature removes the weak. 3.  Nature only allows 1 or 2 percent of the eggs to reach maturity in the wild, when man starts fooling around with this there is trouble.   4.  Smoked stockers is a great idea, in fact they should smoke them at the hatchery and leave our trout streams alone so we can have catch and release fishing for wild trout. Just my opinion Ernie Harrison

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: 4.  Smoked stocker rainbow ain’t bad at Thanksgiving. I’ll take about 4 pounds, please.  Bill my account. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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Dear Fishing nuts, Ive always found that the best way to handle a spawning fish is to begin with a light dinner… you know.. maybe take her out to wsomewhere nice… perhaps a nice big plate full of salmno fly nymphs… then, of course, take that fish out dancing and carousing… get her really into the mood.. then, well, back home for some serious spawning.. if you know waht I mean. edwin

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 Proper way to handle spawning fish?  On alternate years…CLOSE THE SEASON AT AN EARLIER DATE!!!! just my $.02 worth steve drossel Don’t know if this would be the best solution….but I don’t think it would hurt.

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Last week I caught my first female brown laden with eggs. She was a vigorous fighter. After bringing her to the net quickly, I released her, and then discovered eggs in my net. Besides being more gentle in bringing them in, and being careful not to squeeze the fish, is there anything else I should do? I do use a catch and release net, which makes it easier to treat them gently. Many thanks. Scott Branyan Rogers, AR — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR

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Here’s a twist… ok…stay open minded for a second here… during the spawn, fish for and kill the alternate species (i.e. when the browns are spawning…keep and kill rainbows).  Use an egg pattern downstream the redds.  Close the beds to wading. Theory: 1.  More of the natural spawn will survive (nailing immediate predator). 2.  Alternate species is culled resulting in better, although maybe fewer,     of these fish. 3.  More fry is available to the ‘better fish’, thus they get even better. 4.  Smoked stocker rainbow ain’t bad at Thanksgiving. Courteous replies encouraged !!! Tim Walker

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…. Besides being more gentle in bringing them in, and being careful not to squeeze the fish, is there anything else I should do? I do use a catch and release net, which makes it easier to treat them gently. Many thanks.

If you think of each of those eggs as a future large trout you’ll want them buried in the peagravel, and only the mother can do that. These large brown trout can spawn naturally without undue stress if you leave them alone at this time.  Rainbows are busy fattening up for the winter and will give a much better fight than a spawning brown, if you have any rainbow trout waters you can fish. Mark Vinsel May these eggs produce trout that break the tippets of our grandchildren. http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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Tim Walker wrote during the spawn, fish for and kill the alternate species (i.e. when the browns are spawning…keep and kill rainbows).  Use an egg pattern downstream the redds.  Close the beds to wading.

(etc…) Tim, I was under the impression that eggs floating downstream are not going to survive anyway; therefore, removing the rainbows that are eating the eggs is not going to make a difference.  Am I correct? I like closing the beds to wading.  People should fish more from shore in general, especially during the spawning season. Rob

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Last week I caught my first female brown laden with eggs. She was a vigorous fighter. After bringing her to the net quickly, I released her, and then discovered eggs in my net. Besides being more gentle in bringing them in, and being careful not to squeeze the fish, is there anything else I should do? I do use a catch and release net, which makes it easier to treat them gently. Many thanks. Scott Branyan Rogers, AR — Scott Branyan Rogers, AR

The best way to handle a spawning trout is to not catch it, but if you do, leave the fish in the water (not using your net) and unhook the trout or cut the leader. I usually try to avoid handling of the fish anyway which works very well except in very strong current. Maybe we should think about not fishing for spawning trout to preserve the populations (That means also not wading in parts of a river where trout spawn!). Only my personal opinion                             Thomas

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

The lower portion, near and in Lake Solano is a put and take fishery, heavily stocked.  Good fishing, good luck avoiding the worm drowners.  The upper portion, near Montecello dam is a blue ribbon wild trout fishery.  I have seen 30"+ browns rise for a bat!  (how to tie that one   Very difficult fishing, and often rather dangerous.  Swift current and bouldery bottom.   Your next step could be 5′ straight down off an underwater ledge.  Fish are heavily fished and very wary.  Prepare to get skunked.  Some very good FFers I know can only claim 1 fish in 10 years of fishing there, but it was a 26" brown.  Above the Montecello dam is a warm water lake, and bellow the lake solano dam gets dried to nothing in dry summers, so fish are scarce. Good luck, and whatever you do, don’t embarass yourself by trying to claim there were no fish there. Lenny Bloksberg . .

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Tim, I too wish you luck, I went up to the Monticello Dam area a couple of weeks after the March Monsters blew through here and had a hard time recognizing the area. There were HUGE landslides. Basically, there was no access to a badly overfished area. I tried clambering over new stream channels, the access bridge was GONE and so were the trails to the the base of the dam. I haven’t been back, I’ll look again after the Power Baiters are gone. John E.

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]I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, ]but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed ]some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this ]Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good ]place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of ]flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has ]to say about this creek. ]TimFLYFISH Tim, I believe the better flyfishing at Putah is from Nov-March, because that’s when the flows are lower, and they restrict fishing in the upper section to artificials, single barbless hook, C&R.  This time of year, you’re battling bait dunkers and the higher flows. Effective patterns I’ve heard of (in the winter) include PT nymphs or blue wing olive nymphs, size 18-22. A good friend (and reliable source) told me that he went in February or March, and that they had had some kind of disastorous mudslide in the upper section, just above the Highway 128 bridge.  He said you couldn’t even see some of the boulders in the river, because they were covered with a mud sludge.  They had construction crews with heavy equipment out there, trying to smooth the land where the slide had occurred. I hope it’s recovered somewhat since then.  Please keep us posted on how you did and the river conditions.  Thanks, Bill Uyeki

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I have heard that this creek can offer great fishing and is blue ribbon, but I have also heard that it is not worth looking at. CAn anyone shed some light on the creek for me, because I am planing to go up there this Sunday. Also if it is possible, maybe someone can direct me to a good place to start from in the morning, and give me an idea of what sort of flies I should bring along. I would really appreciate anything anyone has to say about this creek. TimFLYFISH

I ‘ve fished Putah for almost 20 years and its really gone downhill in the last 10 or so.  Erratic water flows, streamside erosion, overfishing have taken their toll.  Seams to me that there could be the potential for a blue ribbon fishery but it clearly ain’t one now. Garrick

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From what I have heard, I am glad that I didn’t end up going. A late night stoped the morning trip. I probably won’t on going there again if what you have said is true. Thank you for the info.

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Well 6/7/95, Mammoth fishing is still slow.  Crowley is near dead. 17-20" browns and even smaller rainbows on olive buggers with flash. I say forget Mammoth for now.  Air Temps in the 50S.  Still needs to warm up and water needs to clear.

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Try fishing at Parking Lot #3; good pocket water, as well as large surface water.

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Try fishing at Parking Lot #3; good pocket water, as well as large surface water.

I have seen the name Putah Creek in more than one location. Where is this one? Thanks, Michael Paine

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I have seen the name Putah Creek in more than one location. Where is this one? Thanks, Michael Paine

It’s between the Bay Area and Sacramento.  Below Lake Berryessa.                  /                                                           John Woodling                 /                                                           Sacramento, CA                /                   "The lure of fishing is that it is the pursuit of that which is elusive, yet attainable……an endless series of occasions for hope"

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I’m taking a trip in June.  I have no clue about the possibilities and need help.  Bone, cuda, what?  Please help!

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Bermuda used to be famous for Yellowfin tuna and Wahoo (30-80Lbs). The charter boats would go 2 hours out to two reefs, anchor and then chum. Not that many people fly fished for those brutes. There was also Bermuda Jack that run about 20 Lbs. I don’t know how good the fishing is these days. You’ll have to ask the Government Tourist office in Bermuda. Alan Card and his brother used to be the best charter captains on the island, by far, (among the best in the world as far as I’m concerned). There is really no shore fishing because the shore drops off quickly, not like in the Bahamas. Also the Bermuda Chub that are inshore are not worth it (too difficult to catch). Just one last reminder, I think it is too late to make a charter boat reservation with a good captain for this year. You have to book one year in advance. The best time, if I can remember,  for tuna and wahoo is June and October. Remember, this is very expensive fishing, very classy island. But I have had some of my best fishing experiences there. Sort of like going Marlin fishing in Hawaii.  

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503/639-6400.  He knows tons of details and can set you up or you could just pick his brain.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m taking a trip in June.  I have no clue about the possibilities and need help.  Bone, cuda, what?  Please help!

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Call Jerry Swanson at Kaufmann’s Streamborn: 800/442-4359; 503/639-6400.  He knows lots of details and he can help set you up (he books lots ‘o trips) or you could just pick his brain.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m taking a trip in June.  I have no clue about the possibilities and need help.  Bone, cuda, what?  Please help!

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