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Hi Adam, I guess I would try to get in the front of the boat and get the smallest other fisherman in the back in case you have to work him over. I am sure that they have this combo all the time and will work it out for you. Email me a good picture for my web site. Good luck. PS: Have tried fishing Isla Holbox for tarpon yet ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the last 12 years almost all my fishing is done with a fly rod (before that it was spinning rod).  This includes bass and pickerel (mostly on poppers) in NJ and FL, and saltwater inshore species.  For the past two years I’ve been lucky enough to get my ass down to Venezuela for peacock bass on the fly rod (have also been fishing for them in Miami canals for about 9 years).  Unbelievable fish and an unbelievable kick, as you know if you’ve fished for these awesome fish. In both instances, I either fish with other fly rodders or fished alone. As I don’t have experience fishing for peacocks out of the same boat with conventional casters, I would like some advise on how best to work things out.  In September I’ll be going to Brazil to go after the big guys (upwards to 30#).  I don’t know any of the other guys who will be going, but I do know that they will be using regular casting gear (baitcasting and spinning).  So here are my questions. I have concerns on how to work it out with whoever I fish with.  I know that all day they will be chucking big noise making stuff and will probably be able to cast well over 100′, whereas in order not to rip my arm off, I’ll be casting around 60′ (I can cast further, but not all day with the big flies and poppers I’ll be casting without dislocating my shoulder).  This can put me at a great disadvantage in that if the guide holds the boat well off the shore line or fish holding structure, I won’t be able to reach the preferred spots.  And, the truth of the matter is as nothing scares the peacocks (like boat engine/motor noise, etc), holding the boat 60′ off the shore or structure wouldn’t make a difference in the catch rate.  Of course, casting big distances into open water areas is not a problem.  How do you guys feel this can be worked out, or is the problem only in my mind? Also, what about the rate at which the boat moves?  Whether I’m in the middle or in the front of the boat, slow moving is better for me as I can’t repeat cast as fast as my partners can.  I’m thinking that they might be more used to a faster troll and have problems with this.  Your opinions, please. Thanks again, Adam

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For the last 12 years almost all my fishing is done with a fly rod (before that it was spinning rod).  This includes bass and pickerel (mostly on poppers) in NJ and FL, and saltwater inshore species.  For the past two years I’ve been lucky enough to get my ass down to Venezuela for peacock bass on the fly rod (have also been fishing for them in Miami canals for about 9 years).  Unbelievable fish and an unbelievable kick, as you know if you’ve fished for these awesome fish. In both instances, I either fish with other fly rodders or fished alone.  As I don’t have experience fishing for peacocks out of the same boat with conventional casters, I would like some advise on how best to work things out.  In September I’ll be going to Brazil to go after the big guys (upwards to 30#).  I don’t know any of the other guys who will be going, but I do know that they will be using regular casting gear (baitcasting and spinning).  So here are my questions. I have concerns on how to work it out with whoever I fish with.  I know that all day they will be chucking big noise making stuff and will probably be able to cast well over 100′, whereas in order not to rip my arm off, I’ll be casting around 60′ (I can cast further, but not all day with the big flies and poppers I’ll be casting without dislocating my shoulder).  This can put me at a great disadvantage in that if the guide holds the boat well off the shore line or fish holding structure, I won’t be able to reach the preferred spots.  And, the truth of the matter is as nothing scares the peacocks (like boat engine/motor noise, etc), holding the boat 60′ off the shore or structure wouldn’t make a difference in the catch rate.  Of course, casting big distances into open water areas is not a problem.  How do you guys feel this can be worked out, or is the problem only in my mind? Also, what about the rate at which the boat moves?  Whether I’m in the middle or in the front of the boat, slow moving is better for me as I can’t repeat cast as fast as my partners can.  I’m thinking that they might be more used to a faster troll and have problems with this.  Your opinions, please. Thanks again, Adam

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        I would think that holding in a little closer so that you can cast also shouldn’t be a problem for the other guys or the guide, if they are sporting types. Further, I don’t think that they would want to be at max range casting for peacocks. Those fish tend to live in some of the meanest cover there is if I’m not mistaken. You don’t want a mile of line out there with a fish that lives in snags. At least, I sure don’t!     As far as working things out regarding who casts when- even two baitcaster types must do this if one guy is using a 7′ rod and the other is using a 6 1/2′ footer or longer in a smaller bass boat…you’d just have to co-ordinate casts. Work it out with your boat mate, and develop a rhythm. My partners and I would "leapfrog cast" an entire shoreline during club tournaments, staying out of each other’s way in the rhythm pattern.     Further, as far as not being able to cast as frequently to the same area, how much line can you have out and still do a roll cast? You should be able to put the fly right back on the same spot that way, or walk it along an area, if the trolling motor is moving you at a fairly brisk pace, I would think. My fly rodding has been limited to the local river and farm ponds, so can’t tell you about the roll cast in a bass boat much…hmmmmm perhaps I need to do some field work on this and write an article…..    ’Hope this helps some…     B3

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I was hoping someone  had some information or plans on how i could build some fishing rod holders for my garage. I want to screw them to the ceiling. Thanks in advance for any help Wade

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Wade, If no one has plans, let me know and I will trace mine for you. Gary

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was hoping someone  had some information or plans on how i could build some fishing rod holders for my garage. I want to screw them to the ceiling. Thanks in advance for any help Wade

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One of the best ways to hold your rods to the rafters of your garage is to install lengths of PVC pipe from the rafters.  Size determines how many rods you can put in each pipe. Single storage for the small pipe, multiple storage several rods in one spot.

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    This depends on what you are looking for.  As for mine, they are made from lenghts of 4" PVC pipe.  I have to cap mine, no glue, to keep the insects out.  Also keeps the dust and dirt off the equipment.  I have them tied to the ceiling stringers with cord as my garage is not lined.     Thought I’d pass this along.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was hoping someone  had some information or plans on how i could build some fishing rod holders for my garage. I want to screw them to the ceiling. Thanks in advance for any help Wade

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I was hoping someone  had some information or plans on how i could build some fishing rod holders for my garage. I want to screw them to the ceiling.

I knew a girl like that once . . . Marc, who luckily got older and wiser Seriously, depends on what kind of rods.  If it’s surf rods I’ll second the PVC suggestion.  Fly rods I’d just buy a contraption which hangs from the rafters and holds the rods horizontally.  Wouldn’t waste the time trying to build something like that.

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(Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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It’s no worse than the other garbage they put out when they have guns that have a limitless supply of ammo, the semiauto pistol that needs to be cocked for each close-up, or the wrong reel on a fishing rod (I actually once saw someone using a spinning reel on a fly rod and reeling-in with their left hand in reverse direction!). One of the best is the ubiquitous "binocular view" which shows two conjoined circles with a magnification of 100X and no handshake! It makes you wonder who they have as consultants and how to get one of those jobs. Like you I could go on and on. I’m sure others have even more outrageous "pet peeves". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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I’m a pilot so my "favorite" is when people carry on a perfectly normal conversation while flying in a small aircraft. If you’ve ever been in one, you’ll know just how impossible this is… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Sorry about this post. Just saw one too many TV show doing really weird things with cameras. This time, it was a digital camera making 35 mm motor drive sounds). Have you ever noticed that all 35mm cameras on television make motor drive sounds, weather or not there’s a motor drive attached? Medium format cameras sometimes also make 35mm motor drive sounds. And they occasionally go 30 or more shots without changing a roll. Especially when motor driving in bursts of 3-5 shots at 3 frames/second. How about the way the motor drive fires five shots, and the studio flashes never fire at all? And the god awful linework they overlay on the screen to make it look like a split image rangefinder, possibly with a "match needle" exposure indicator? Or when there’s so much studio lighting that the "photographer’s lights" and stands are casting strong shadows? Or the "infinite enlargement", extracting some clue from 1000:1 "blowing up" of the picture. For that matter, do you know any real photographers who say "blow up" in reference to enlarging? I "crop", and I "print". I won’t go into how the photographers interact with the models. Just venting Ciao! Joe

Not to mention the way the actor with the camera lunges forward like a swordsman as he takes the shot, hits the trigger before the camera is up to eye level … and then produces pin-sharp no-shake shots! Colin

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  I take it you haven’t seen the movie "Blow Up".   I’m particularly fond of the 100mm lens shown is such ticght close up you can read the manufacturer’s name, which then takes close ups of the mobsters hanging out two blocks down the street.   But let’s face it, tv is tv and the movies are the movies. Ever notice that when the "client" gives the P.I. a snap of the beloved missing wife-husband-brother-daughter it looks a lot like a studio head shot? — Digital photo restoration in autumnal Chapel Hill NC http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/magor/tony New – A Digital Workflow + Sharpness: Threat or Menace? And Selecting Your First SLR  - Java must be enabled Before you buy.

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Although I agree with you, I must say that Hollywood is actually improving itself as we speak… More and more films are made with realism in mind… I have The Boondock Saints in my DVD collection, and in a press conference-scene, you see a journalis with a camera that looks like an EOS 50 (ElanII), with a 300/4L, taking pictures at ~1 meter, with BOTH hands on the camera body… Not very real… I also have U-571, in wich they built two subs (one based mostly on photos, and the other based on blueprints) and LOADS of uniforms as correctly as they could… The inner workings of the subs was reproduced as accurately as they could… Valves, wheels, lights, commands being shouted – everything… It all depends on wether you’re watching a sci-fi (everything from fairly beliavable to utter nonsense) or a "Van Damme" (utter nonsense) to historical (everything from artistic impression ("but if that character dies, the movie will be SOOOO much better") to super-accurate)… — Snorre A. Selmer Helgeshaugen 25 3517 H

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I’ve used a Discovery 17 regular stern with a motor mount as a fishing "boat" on rivers and small lakes.  A canoe is a great way to get around by paddle.  A motor just doesn’t work all that well, unless you’ve a a fairly wide boat with some kind of keel.  But I’ve done it and would continue to do so, if I couldn’t get my hands on a boat.  And then you’re not talking about a true canoe, anyway. I’d get a carolina skiff or a jonboat for what you want to do.  You’ll be able to stand and move around much more easily.  But if you’re wanting to cartop, then the Sportboat will work.  Just remember that canoes are really for paddling in the 15 to 18 foot size. Best of all, get a river dory, mount a small motor, and you’re set for all kinds of fishing in small lakes and any kind of river.  Great casting platforms.  Great stability.  Can tow with almost any car due to light weight. Mike

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I realy enjoy my guide 147.  I just got an outrigger for additional stability while fishing in lakes.  they work very well and cost about $200, and clamp on, no perminate holes.  One can stand in their canoe with the outrigger…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz

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Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz

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Having just visited the Old Town web site a couple of days ago, your post caught my eye right away. While I can’t give any personal advice directly, you should check out their site if you haven’t already been there.  It’s exceptional, both with respect to lots of information and also, it’s easy to navigate. Their address is:  http://www.otccanoe.com/ They do have a dealer locator option on their menu choices which may come in handy in case you don’t get the sought after responses to your post here. Regards, Trent Roberson —  Rx F Fish — For your good health, Fly Fish     A Datasource about Fly Fishing Topics            http://www.rxffish.com           Discussion & Chat Groups      http://www.studio128.net/rxffish_1            Free Business Listings Fly Fishing related Companies & Organizations      http://rxffish.com/data_input.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz

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Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers.

I own a Discovery 174 (pointy ends) that I like a lot.   It’s quite stable, tracks well, and lightwei…..     Okay, it’s stable & tracks well. Actually, it weighs in at a mere 84 pounds, & I can handle it myself, but it’s a beast to lift overhead.   I fitted it with a removeable motor mount and a 35# thrust electric motor & it moves right along on lakes.   I expect that a square transom would only make it better for that.   I even did some mild whitewater with it once, but that was hell on the cosmetics – I wouldn’t recommend it.   Slow rivers should be no problem. Joe F.

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Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz

I can’t comment on that particular model, but I can tell you my (and my family’s) experience with Old Town has been wonderful,  if about 100 years and at least 3 generations (including a still-used ‘glassed over canvasback) says anything.   As to square sterns, don’t like them.  What we have is a bracket that mounts on the gunwale, and it has handled up to around a 7.5 hp (a 5 or less will do fine, but the dink pusher was handy).  That way, when paddles are in order, you still have a canoe, not a stretched skiff…<G.   That said, if I were buying as a new user (or could only have one) today, I’d at least consider a Grumman (or similar) aluminium – light, manueverable,  you can remove dents with a mallet, and best of all, weldable. Patching ‘glass-type material is a pain, and if you wrap such a boat, it is done. I also went to the site, and Crosslink 3 might be better than ‘glass type materials, but I still think aluminium is the best for a one-boat fleet…<G. HTH? R

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Hello was thinking of buying an old town discovery sport 17 foot square stern canoe for fly fishing with my wife.  Does anyone have any comments about this model.  I’m particularly interested in using it for lakes and ponds with a trolling motor at times.  I’m also interested to know how it would handle on slow moving rivers. tia minkaz: I have a DS17 square stern that we use with an 8 hp motor for Atlantic salmon fishing on large rivers. It is very stable because it is wide, and quite heavy (118 lb).  We also pole it on fast rivers, and it is a bit of a pig in comparison with narrower canoes, but it’s OK.  It would be fine for paddling or running a trolling motor on slow rivers, ponds and small lakes (<250 acres).  I’d go to a DS15 for this.  It will give the stability without so much weight. JB

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Aye Chris Richer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So lets do it, henceforth no replies to obvious political rants or other similar inflammatory trolls. All agreed say "aye". This is not moderation or control, just good sense and self defence. You are right, otherwise ROFF will be ruined. Mike Connor

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Thanks for the spelling lesson. At some point you agreed that you were guilty of the very act that you are trying to correct. Yes, in other words you saw the shit, and you went up to it and firmly planted your two feet right in the middle. Yes, am I correct here? I too, saw the same shit, and it had a foul smell, so I walked around it and now it’s on your boots and not mine. It is strange how we choose our pathways in life. I’m not perfect mind you. This is the third winter that I’ve hung here and every winter it is the same thing. Tempers start getting hot and the rhetoric gets heated on one or more issues. You and I are blessed the we have mild winters compared to some of the others in the group. Even the lack of real sunshine can have a dreary effect on the soul. The best way to avoid a fight is not to be there in the first. I choose to have some distance. At least my boots stay cleaner for longer periods. Well, did my spelling improve?   — Doug Knight                            metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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        i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion.  when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.  egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation.  in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation.  i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.         can we do this? wayno

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Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC

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Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC

  It must be the water here in NC. Good stuff. Andy, where do you fish? If you’re ever up this way….get in touch. –Walt

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HEAR HEAR! Wayne To fish is human…To release divine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion.  when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.  egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation.  in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation.  i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.    can we do this? wayno

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snip< when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.

This is truly one of the shortcomings of the written word.   A good natured jibe at a fellow fisherman across a campfire can be a subject of great mirth and camraderie; but as we’ve seen in this medium, the same remark in lifeless print can be a grievous insult.   We all would do well to twice read what we’ve written before posting it. more good stuff snipped< i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this?

Wayno is right on here.   We all have genuine personal opinions on social and political issues which directly influence our fly fishing lives, and I agree that these subjects are valid topics of discussion here.   Trolling for an argument, however, has been breeding a level of dishonesty here that I too have found disturbing.   We have no faces here, only our opinions and advice.   If one trolls for a response by posting opinions that do not truly represent who they are, how are we to get to know them?   How are we to trust their opinions on other subjects?   Trolling is dishonest and it breeds mistrust.   It lowers my estimation of the perpetrator.   If you have an opinion, I’d love to hear it and discuss it with you, but don’t yank my chain and waste my time for your own amusement. Many posters here seem to know others personally.  Most of us, however, do not have that honor, and must get to know you through what you post.   Wayno is right that we waste a lot of energy ranting & trolling.   This NG, more than any other I’ve read, seems to be populated by real people, my kind of people, people I wouldn’t mind sharing a bottle with.   We spend too muct time wasting that. Joe

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Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC

Yep.  Look at it this way:  if you were in your favorite flyfishing shop, standing around with about 10 folks, what topics would you want to bullship about, and how would talk about those topics.  I sure as hell wouldn’t bring up politics or religion, and if I was discussing logging’s impact on the fishery  I wouldn’t be suggesting that we go out and spike some trees for an afternoon’s entertainment. Mark Faulkner

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i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.    can we do this?

I doubt it.  There will always be disagreements, we just have to learn how to discuss such topics in a non face-to-face medium without turning the issue into personal attacks.  There are such vast differences between posters here in age, education level, location, work, background that thinking that you can stop disagreements is not realistic.   Later,      - Ken

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? I doubt it.  There will always be disagreements, we just have to learn how to discuss such topics in a non face-to-face medium without turning the issue into personal attacks.  There are such vast differences between posters here in age, education level, location, work, background that thinking that you can stop disagreements is not realistic. Later,     – Ken

    actually, kj, that’s not my point.  i know we can’t avoid "disagreements"; in fact, "disagreements", including heated ones, can be quite entertaining and educational.  it’s just that there are a very few (again, politics and religion, specifically) that seem to engender vicious diatribes, or quickly dissolve into mindless personal quibbles.  therefore, i propose to simply not create or contribute to threads containing subject matter of this nature. wayno

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Joe writes replying to Wayno: <<Wayno is right on here.   We all have genuine personal opinions on social and political issues which directly influence our fly fishing lives, and I agree that these subjects are valid topics of discussion here.   Trolling for an argument, however, has been breeding a level of dishonesty here that (more good stuff snipped) I agree.  I could never understand why someone would troll.  Hell, it sure ain’t fly fishing.  To "pull someones chain", cause them embarass- ment because they sincerely answered a "troll", is not the sign of a true sportsman.  I have more than contributed my fair share of political rhetoric on these pages, but I don’t think I have ever trolled. Sitting around a campfire teasing and trolling is a lot different than doing it online. Dave LaCourse

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NO MORE WHINING, PLEASE!    (hehe) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion.  when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.  egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation.  in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation.  i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.    can we do this? wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion.  when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman.  the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.  egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation.  in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation.  i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place.  the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose.         can we do this? wayno

refrain from doing so any more. dumb bastards. George ‘kill the world for a job: Visit: http://www.gink.com

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 This is truly one of the shortcomings of the written word.   A good natured jibe at a fellow fisherman across a campfire can be a subject of great mirth and camraderie; but as we’ve seen in this medium, the same remark in lifeless print can be a grievous insult.   We all would do well to twice read what we’ve written before posting it.

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Yep.  Look at it this way:  if you were in your favorite flyfishing shop, standing around with about 10 folks, what topics would you want to bullship about, and how would talk about those topics.  I sure as hell wouldn’t bring up politics or religion, and if I was discussing logging’s impact on the fishery  I wouldn’t be suggesting that we go out and spike some trees for an afternoon’s entertainment. Mark Faulkner

guessing and our remaining Virgin Forests would be saved for the children of the future?  We are past reality regarding when forests are endangered.  It is now time to stop the carnage.  What does it take to do it?  Trees without spikes for life in them? New bumper sticker:  "TREES!  Spiked for life!" not – "Chainsaw Employment Forever" —

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 3.  I have always presumed that the two air bladders which provide a back support on my floatube are ample to at least keep me afloat.   Is this a naive assumption.

It is more likely you will flip upside down and drown than lose all three air bladders. Ernie Harrison

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3.  I have always presumed that the two air bladders which provide a back support on my floatube are ample to at least keep me afloat.  Is this a naive assumption.

I think that the assumption is correct BUT: These tubes are not attached to your body.  That is you have to make sure you can hold on to them one way or another. Maybe more critical is hypo thermia.  If your main flotation fails, the chances are that you are going to get wet.  Depending on conditions and time immersed, this can lead to great trouble. William Buchman

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I already posted this once, but got no responses.  So I’m going to try once more to see if I can get some answers.  If you remember responding to my first post, let me know by e-mail.  This will let me know that for some reason, I am not seeing all of the messages posted to this board.  Thanks                                                            -dnc- Some of the recent posts on float tube and wader safety have really opened my eyes to the issue.  Thanks to all for the fair warning.  But now I have more questions. 1.  The ‘Sea Hunt’ solution:  Remember when scuba diver Mike (Lloyd Bridges) used to save the day with one of those little, autoinflatable ‘balloons’ he kept handy?  Do those devices still exist.  Seems like the perfect solution; non bulky, yet there when you really need it.  Anyone have any knowledge on such devices and how well they work, etc. 2.  If I were to tip over backwards in my floatube as I was exiting the water, it seems like the right thing to do would be to (a) disengage the quick release on the strap that connects the seat to the tube (b) reach up and push the tube away as I slide my feet out of the tube. i.e. I come out of the tube the same way I usually do (except for the fact that I’m upside down).  This seems like the common sense way to do it, but is it the optimal solution when you are in very shallow water (say, just deep enough so you can’t use your arms to push your head above water).   3.  I have always presumed that the two air bladders which provide a back support on my floatube are ample to at least keep me afloat.  Is this a naive assumption. 4.  I forgot, if you do fall into a strong current, you try to keep your feet pointed downstream: correct?  Seems like you have the double problem of keeping your head away from rocks and also trying to keep water out of your waders.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I already posted this once, but got no responses.  So I’m going to try once more to see if I can get some answers.  If you remember responding to my first post, let me know by e-mail.  This will let me know that for some reason, I am not seeing all of the messages posted to this board.  Thanks                                                            -dnc- Some of the recent posts on float tube and wader safety have really opened my eyes to the issue.  Thanks to all for the fair warning.  But now I have more questions. 1.  The ‘Sea Hunt’ solution:  Remember when scuba diver Mike (Lloyd Bridges) used to save the day with one of those little, autoinflatable ‘balloons’ he kept handy?  Do those devices still exist.  Seems like the perfect solution; non bulky, yet there when you really need it.  Anyone have any knowledge on such devices and how well they work, etc. 2.  If I were to tip over backwards in my floatube as I was exiting the water, it seems like the right thing to do would be to (a) disengage the quick release on the strap that connects the seat to the tube (b) reach up and push the tube away as I slide my feet out of the tube. i.e. I come out of the tube the same way I usually do (except for the fact that I’m upside down).  This seems like the common sense way to do it, but is it the optimal solution when you are in very shallow water (say, just deep enough

You can now get CG approved inflatable PFD’s. You should always wear a PFD in your tube. (some places it’s the law) You should ALWAYS wear a belt around the ouside of your waders high enough to prevent water from spilling into them & regulate the amount you take in. Be Safe!! Bill D.  so you can’t use your arms to push your head above water). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 3.  I have always presumed that the two air bladders which provide a back support on my floatube are ample to at least keep me afloat.  Is this a naive assumption. 4.  I forgot, if you do fall into a strong current, you try to keep your feet pointed downstream: correct?  Seems like you have the double problem of keeping your head away from rocks and also trying to keep water out of your waders.

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I am an avid fly fisher doin’ cold turkey in Hong Kong, but am planning a trip to New Zealand, Tauranga/Rotorua/Taupo area for about a week in a camper van at the end of October with my 2 young lads. Any info on locations, flies, tactics, anything would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Adam J. Marr

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I am an avid fly fisher doin’ cold turkey in Hong Kong, but am planning a trip to New Zealand, Tauranga/Rotorua/Taupo area for about a week in a camper van at the end of October with my 2 young lads. Any info on locations, flies, tactics, anything would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Adam J. Marr

Adam: Check out Anglers Paradise in Turangi. John and Val  Milner have retired now, but the new owbners would help. Sporting Life in Turangi is THE place to get info and tackle. Graham has fished the Tongiriro all of his life.  ****  THE BEST **** guide in the Turangi area is Tim Mcarthy. His father was a guide (still is, I believe), but Tim is, in the opinion of MANY of the locals as well, THE BEST guide. Use his services for ONE DAY, and you will learn the pools and what catches fish. I spent 9 months fishing that river and Lake Taupo, and it’s a WONDERFUL experience. Don’t forget to bring your "winter woolies"; ice can form on the guides this time of year, but the fishing is SUPERB in June and August. After all, the NZ fish are transplanted Oregon WINTER STEELHEAD. Enjoy your trip. I wish I was going with you !!   Regards de Mikey !!

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…Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season Mortality rate aside, there have been many times when I have caught the SAME trout more than once, even in the same day–even in the same HOUR!

I read this morning of a Skues story where he wrote that flyfishing hell would be to catch fish all the time, that are all exactly the same size and appearance…how are you living, JQT ? 8^)…. TimW

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…Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish a day or even a season

This would be an important point if fish didn’t reproduce (they do), and lived forever unless killed by a predator (they don’t).   A lot of the waters around here are heavily populated with trout, see few anglers, and the fish are delicious.  (Pink flesh, often taste like salmon.  Can’t wait til next summer.) There’s nothing wrong with keeping fish, as long as you’re not exceeding the carrying capacity of the fishery.  If you fish a stream that can’t handle a harvest of one fish per angler per season, maybe you should think twice about fishing there. Charlie Quinton

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…Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish a day or even a season A lot of the waters around here are heavily populated with trout, see few anglers, and the fish are delicious.  (Pink flesh, often taste like salmon.  Can’t wait til next summer.)

Wow I’ll be there next summer! There’s nothing wrong with keeping fish, as long as you’re not exceeding the carrying capacity of the fishery.  If you fish a stream that can’t handle a harvest of one fish per angler per season, maybe you should think twice about fishing there.

Some streams I fish have only 200 to 400 steelhead per year yet on c &r regs produce very fine fisheries for a small numbers of anglers. Allow even a kill and there’d be enough people bonking fish to put the runs into serious trouble. I kill fish too but I’m not dogmatic about HAVING to do it to redeem my flyfishing/sporting soul. Do you kill every fish you catch on these fine Wyomming rivers until you reach the legal creel limit and then go home?

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…Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season

Mortality rate aside, there have been many times when I have caught the SAME trout more than once, even in the same day–even in the same HOUR!                                                        __ john quill taylor                                     / / writer at large                                      / /   Hewlett-Packard, Storage Systems Division    __     /_/ / Boise, Idaho U.S.A.                         /_/  __ _ Telephone: (208) 396-2328 (MST = GMT – 7)     /  \  / Snail Mail: Hewlett-Packard                    / \             11413 Chinden Blvd                 \             Boise, Idaho 83714                   _/             Mailstop 852                            _/                                                   _/       "When in doubt, do as doubters do." – jqt –                   china, haiti, rwanda, cuba, bosnia, … we have a list,              where is our schindler?

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T-bone ( no meat head despite the handle) among others has suggested there is no rational fore 100% C&R. How about this; it’s a rationing system for a particular body of water; it limits utilization to those who are willing to fish without the reward of a pice of meat . This can be a very big deal on water with limited numbers of quality wild fish; many of our west coast salmon and steelehad runs meet this criterea where runs of a few hundred hogh quality fishy (such as summer steelhead) cannot tolerate a kill fishery. Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season

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T-bone ( no meat head despite the handle) among others has suggested there is no rational fore 100% C&R. How about this; it’s a rationing system for a particular body of water; it limits utilization to those who are willing to fish without the reward of a pice of meat . This can be a very big deal on water with limited numbers of quality wild fish; many of our west coast salmon and steelehad runs meet this criterea where runs of a few hundred hogh quality fishy (such as summer steelhead) cannot tolerate a kill fishery. Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season

Sounds very un-Pavlovian what with no meat reward and all!  Only vegetarians would drool at this. Mike

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T-bone ( no meat head despite the handle) among others has suggested there is no rational fore 100% C&R. How about this; it’s a rationing system for a particular body of water; it limits utilization to those who are willing to fish without the reward of a pice of meat . This can be a very big deal on water with limited numbers of quality wild fish; many of our west coast salmon and steelehad runs meet this criterea where runs of a few hundred hogh quality fishy (such as summer steelhead) cannot tolerate a kill fishery. Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season

Many people take the fish home, freeze them, season them for 6 to 12 month in the freezer, then throw them away. I have suggested to release the fish to many as a way to keep your clothes and car from smelling. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I’m planning a FF trip to Montana and Idaho in August. What flies should I start buying for the Bozeman and Henry’s Fork areas? — Regards, Robert Webmaster of "Author Author!," "The Defoe Page," and Sayville Middle School’s web site Author Author! is a  recipient of the Point Survey top 5% of the Internet award Visit Author Author! http://www.li.net/~scharf/author.html Visit The Defoe Page http://www.li.net/~scharf/defoe.html Visit Sayville Middle School http://www.li.net/~scharf/sayville.html

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Hi, August in Montana is usually hopper time.  Depending on weather and water conditions, the hopper fishing on the Yellowstone, Madison, and Gallatin can be awsome!  Other good flies are any of the Bead Head nymphs, Royal Wulffs, Humpies, Trudes, Wooly Buggers.  For the spring creeks you’ll need midges, batis, pmd and of course hoppers. For the rivers in North Idaho, you’ll need the flies mentioned above but be sure to add Renegades and H&L Variants. For the Henry’s Fork I’ll defer to someone else on the newsgroup.  I only get over there two or three times a year which is not enough to give advise on what flies to bring on a trip.  There are several fly shops in the Island Park Area you could call for local conditions.  Also the shops in West Yellowstone are up to date on the Henry’s Fork. Good Luck. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (catalog avail)

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Can anyone offer any information/advice on fly-fishing in the Grand Canyon?  I am planning a trip there next Spring, and would like to know what the possibilities are.  Please suggest references, if any are available.  Thanks,  Steve S.

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(SDSprinkle) writes: Can anyone offer any information/advice on fly-fishing in the Grand Canyon?  I am planning a trip there next Spring, and would like to know what the possibilities are.  Please suggest references, if any are available.  Thanks,  Steve S.

Check out the subject "Grand Canyon FF" in this newsgroup, I asked the same question and received several responses. Good Luck Don Pisinski

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