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I got to the show early, did a little bit of scouting around, then headed for the bar to meet Stan Gula.  Stan showed up on time with his non-fly fishing brother Jim.  We talked for awhile and Stan reminded us that Lefty Kreh was to be at the casting pool at noon. We had the best spot at the show, right up front next to Lefty.  The man is amazing — he makes casting look like child’s play, and we all know it isn’t. I have seen his program before, but this time I think I actually learned something.  His explanation on how to cast a weighted nymph with split shot and strike indicator attached really surprised me, because it is exactly how I cast such a set up.  It isn’t a normal cast, more like a circle cast.  I call it a "lob", but it works well. After Lefty’s show, we split up.  I had to pick up some things I bought earlier, and get home at a reasonable hour.  I spoke to someone at a lodge in south-eastern Labrador.  He could give us a deal on a clave there next year.   At one of the booths I was looking over the hook selection.  There, right in front, at eye level for the whole world to see was some Tiemco size #32 hooks. They also had #30 and #28, so anyone saying they do not "exist" is full of tie his "dandruff" on, I guarantee fish in Maine waters.   Overall, it was a pretty good show with far more tackle and fly rod booths than Marlboro offered, and more lodges represented (which allows me to pick up their brochure and dream). Stan Gula:  Typical roffian clavester.  He is gonna fit it well at the Penn Clave.  He’ll be tenting in the same area as Peter and me, so I invited him for Dave

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I got to the show early, did a little bit of scouting around, then headed for the bar to meet Stan Gula.  Stan showed up on time with his non-fly fishing brother Jim.

His name’s Mike, but he doesn’t talk much anyway, so it hardly matters<g. My brother liked Lefty, but was a bit put off by all the animal parts I spent the afternoon digging through.  Got a nice set of snowshoe rabbit feet (I offered to make him a keychain out of one of them but he declined).  He was most amazed at the price of chicken feathers. Nice to have met Dave – the fourth Roffian I’ve seen in person.  I was as surprised at his height (about 4" taller than he looks in pictures) as he was at my width (about 6" more than my doctor thinks I should be). –Stan

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Stan Gula writes:] His name’s Mike, but he doesn’t talk much anyway, so it hardly matters<g.

Hey, it was a senior moment, Fran.   <g Any way, we had a good time even though it was short.  Got home and I could actually see the black-top on the driveway.  It has been *months* since i’ve seen it.  Tomorrow is supposed to be Dave

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Maybe you should just bathe in your breakfast shorts? <g — Charlie…

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If you bought the hooks for me I’ll tie the flies. Once again I missed a show due to skiing. I think my wife has the show schedule in hand when she books weekends up north. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got to the show early, did a little bit of scouting around, then headed for the bar to meet Stan Gula.  Stan showed up on time with his non-fly fishing brother Jim.  We talked for awhile and Stan reminded us that Lefty Kreh was to be at the casting pool at noon. We had the best spot at the show, right up front next to Lefty.  The man is amazing — he makes casting look like child’s play, and we all know it isn’t. I have seen his program before, but this time I think I actually learned something.  His explanation on how to cast a weighted nymph with split shot and strike indicator attached really surprised me, because it is exactly how I cast such a set up.  It isn’t a normal cast, more like a circle cast.  I call it a "lob", but it works well. After Lefty’s show, we split up.  I had to pick up some things I bought earlier, and get home at a reasonable hour.  I spoke to someone at a lodge in south-eastern Labrador.  He could give us a deal on a clave there next year. At one of the booths I was looking over the hook selection.  There, right in front, at eye level for the whole world to see was some Tiemco size #32 hooks. They also had #30 and #28, so anyone saying they do not "exist" is full of and tie his "dandruff" on, I guarantee fish in Maine waters. Overall, it was a pretty good show with far more tackle and fly rod booths than Marlboro offered, and more lodges represented (which allows me to pick up their brochure and dream). Stan Gula:  Typical roffian clavester.  He is gonna fit it well at the Penn Clave.  He’ll be tenting in the same area as Peter and me, so I invited him for him Dave

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As a Corporate Pilot we regularly tip the line guys & gals who give us good service….  I don’t think I have ever had anyone turn down the cash….  On the other hand if service is mediocre or poor a tip is out of the question…. Mark Captain – Falcon 50EX / Falcon 900EX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them. I do try to buy gas unless their tie down fee is high in which case I just grumble to myself and leave. I’ve had some line guys do nice things too like… 1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)… 3) Give me a ride into town. Usually it seems that the line guys who do nice stuff enjoy the planes and being around them. The guys who are only doing it for a job don’t bother. They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it…. So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much? —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos Before you buy.

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Urine my sights now pal!  ;)

Hey, I didn’t mean to piss you off! — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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Urine my sights now pal!  ;) Hey, I didn’t mean to piss you off!

Sorry, it just leaked out of me.  But, that’s all water under the bridge.  Next time I’ll be a bit more a-comode-ating. —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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Can I offer chocolate chip cookies instead of cash?

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While we never tip our line guys here in Iowa City (the one time I tried, they turned me down), we DO bring a dozen fresh donuts to the FBO every Sunday morning. And there is ALWAYS a cold one in our fridge in our hangar for them. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much? —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much?            ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g

Urine my sights now pal!  ;) —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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: Having been a former lineboy, believe me they will get over it! If you : still feel awkward, offer to take them for an airplane ride. By the time I : was old enough to legaly solo, I had stick time in 14 different types of : aircraft including Beech 18’s, 450hp Stearman, Pitts, Baron, turbo & : retract’s, all the Cessnas and Pipers, etc. I’ve taken all the line guys at SPX flying in the C140 (even on cross countries). One of the line guys at SPX just happens to be my Cessna 140 partner as well! (I can’t really call him a lineboy – he is married and four years older than me <g) — Dylan Smith, Houston TX. Flying: http://www.alioth.net/flying Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

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I never thought of it like that. That’s a really good insight, thanks for the post. Next time I’m over there (in the USA) I’m going to make sure I have some dollar bills on me. You’ve made me feel really guilty for not tipping the guy at Gainesville now! They put a red carpet out for me, and gave me a lift to the FBO in a golf buggy. I suppose that’s just me being a tight Brit (tipping is much rarer here than it is in the US). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Carrying a stack of one dollar bills in my shirt pocket is just as important to me as having current approach plates, always ready to reward the guys who help me out.

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1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)…

sounds like you need a high wing <gd&r — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much?

           ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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HAHA… I love it!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much?                ^^^^^ Well, if they are taking you there for dialysis, I think a tip is definitely in order! <g — Alex Transpose first two letters of return address to reply by email.

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Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them.

Here we go again. You tip the waiters at any restraunt that doesn’t have a drive thru window, don’t you? Why wouldn’t you tip a line boy that services your aircraft that costs as much as a house? You fly out to the Bahamas and tip the crew of your chartered fishing boat handsomely, and they are just going to snort it up their nose that night. I have been on all sides of this spectrum from being the lineboy at a flight school/FBO to now being the owner/operator of a high performance aircraft (Ain’t America Great!?!?) I remember the few dozen times I was tipped (once by an aircraft thief!) when I was a lineboy. I made sure that the guys (and girl) who tipped me had their windshields washed, the ant’s nests around their tiedown spots were destroyed, if they were having a hard time starting their engine, I would get the GPU ready BEFORE they killed their battery… [snip] They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it….

[snip] Having been a former lineboy, believe me they will get over it! If you still feel awkward, offer to take them for an airplane ride. By the time I was old enough to legaly solo, I had stick time in 14 different types of aircraft including Beech 18’s, 450hp Stearman, Pitts, Baron, turbo & retract’s, all the Cessnas and Pipers, etc. Times to tip the lineboy: When he fuels the airplane and doesn’t chip the paint or spill fuel on your plane. When they give you a ride to the FBO office when you have been parked out in the boondocks. When they unload your bags from the plane while you are streching your legs after a long flight. When they run out to your plane in hurricane force wind and rain with an umbrella so _YOU_ and your passengers don’t get wet. When they tow your airplane from an area that is flooded up to the axials to a high and dry parking spot during/after a rain storm so _YOUR_ shoes don’t get soaked. Carrying a stack of one dollar bills in my shirt pocket is just as important to me as having current approach plates, always ready to reward the guys who help me out. Obligitory pilot joke: What is the difference between a pilot and a canoe?   Sometimes a canoe will tip. — dan<atlynxtel.com Spam Bait: Honk If You’ve Never Seen An Uzi Fired From A Car Window

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So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much? —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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Oh, no. I never thought about that. I’ve been flying for several years and I never thought about tipping them. I do try to buy gas unless their tie down fee is high in which case I just grumble to myself and leave. I’ve had some line guys do nice things too like… 1) Run out in the rain to open the door before I get to the plane. 2) Run out and push the heavy Debonair back for me (usually also in the rain)… 3) Give me a ride into town. Usually it seems that the line guys who do nice stuff enjoy the planes and being around them. The guys who are only doing it for a job don’t bother. They are usually so friendly I might feel strange handing them a couple bucks. Kind of like tipping a friend, it might feel petty. But them again, perhaps I’ve been missing it…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So what’s the consensus on tipping line-guys/gals?  Is it different if they chock/chain and fuel you versus giving you a ride to the FBO, main terminal, renal place, etc.?  If you do, how much? —  Southwest Fisheries Science Center  P.O. Box 271  La Jolla, CA 92038  858-546-7072, 7003 (FAX)  "Marine Biologist?!…I didn’t   even know that WAS a job!"        - George Costanza  "Get off the cross, we need   the wood."        - Tori Amos

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Gee — camouflage suspenders — sounds like the perfect addition to my fishing wardrobe — I knew something was missing…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi my name is Jeff and I have these things for sale If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..! SHAKESPEARE – $41.00 CAN plus shipping Factory  Balanced Alpha- KSP66 2M, Medium Action Rod,  6′6", 6-12lb line, twist lock and release reel design rod, & Alpha 2540 Graphite EZ Cast, bearing drive reel. FENWICK Eagle GLC EF867  Fly Rod, 7 weight 31/4oz. – $160.00 CAN 8′6"rod, includes protective rod sleeve and monogrammed nylon tubular case with zippered end  . TUNDRA Back Packs – $38.00 CAN two for $70.00 Water proof construction with water resistant zippers, large front pouch with latch and zipper. Bullet Shaped Lighters – $5.95 each or two for $10.95 plus shipping. (CAN) With key chain clip. Made from solid brass. These lighters are waterproof and have rubber ‘o’ rings at both ends. Refillable with liquid fuel. Very handy for emergency lights while hunting, fishing or hiking. Come in solid brass and chrome plate. Wildlife Fridge Magnets – Large lifelike animal fridge magnets. 3D design with airbrush finish. Items come in Bass, Pickerel(walleye), and White-tailed deer.  They Look so real on the fridge that you’ll be grabbing for your rod & reel (or your riffle) before your morning coffee..! $5.85 each CAN or  The Whole Wildlife Collection for $15.97 CAN plus shipping. Camouflage Suspenders – Button-0n type for pants or Clip-0n type for pants. 1 1/2" wide strap quality Canadian made. Real tree pattern. Blend in with the rest of your camouflage gear. $19.95 CAN plus shipping. If you like what you read and would like a link to a picture please reply to sender 416.654.2612 To get your Canadian or US order in the mail or ready for pickup today..!

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I know what should be missing…….this thread from the —  The RodMaker(aka)  The Shadow……hehehe

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Hey Folks – Was fishing a small river in Washington a couple of years ago and ran into numerous two-handed rods. I understand that you can mend line more effectively and cover more water than with conventional tackle, but when my brother was fishing a run on this small river some guy on the other side waded in behind him and ended up swinging his fly just a couple of feet from where my brother was standing, and into virtually the same water he was covering. I saw this a number of times on this two-day trip, and really could not understand what the hell these guys were doing. I concluded, perhaps mistakenly, that these two-handed rodders were new to the sport of flyfishing, as they didn’t seem to understand the error of their ways. I have been dirtbagged plenty in twenty years of steelheading, but getting dirtbagged by a flyfisherman was relatively new to me until I started running into some of these double-handers. Have any of you run into similar experiences with two-handed rodders? -Charlie Miller

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Folks – Was fishing a small river in Washington a couple of years ago and ran into numerous two-handed rods. I understand that you can mend line more effectively and cover more water than with conventional tackle, but when my brother was fishing a run on this small river some guy on the other side waded in behind him and ended up swinging his fly just a couple of feet from where my brother was standing, and into virtually the same water he was covering. I saw this a number of times on this two-day trip, and really could not understand what the hell these guys were doing. I concluded, perhaps mistakenly, that these two-handed rodders were new to the sport of flyfishing,

Very well established style of fly-fishing called Spey fishing, originally developed on the river Spey in Scotland. Two handed rods of great length (14-16′) which are popular on big rivers such the Thompson in B.C. as they didn’t seem to understand the error of their ways.

Good heavens!!!!!! such manners from a fly fisherman, will wonders never cease.  I have been dirtbagged plenty in twenty years of steelheading, but getting dirtbagged by a flyfisherman was relatively new to me until I started running into some of these double-handers. Have any of you run into similar experiences with two-handed rodders?

It just goes to show that such behaviour is not alien to the haughty-taughty fly fishing community. I love fly-fishing but there is nothing worse than the elitist attitude I come across among some fly fisherman.

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…  I love fly-fishing but there is nothing worse than the elitist attitude I come across among some fly fisherman.

NOTHING worse ? Cheap scotch, cancelling Cheers, the designated hitter rule, novels by Robert J. Waller ? NOTHING worse ? Awww c’mon. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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…  I love fly-fishing but there is nothing worse than the elitist attitude I come across among some fly fisherman. NOTHING worse ? Cheap scotch, cancelling Cheers, the designated hitter rule, novels by Robert J. Waller ? NOTHING worse ? Awww c’mon. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

    bad salmon, regular season baseball games, the nba, soccer without women (either before, during, or after), cigarettes, chiggers, driving to work, district attorneys, the morning after, the afternoon before…surely there’s more? wayno

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[snipped] I agree with most of those bullets, Mike except… the night before the morning after

Actually, I rather enjoy that part ;^) the Broncos

LOL! Oh, how the mighty have fallen ;^) /daytripper (With the undefeated Patsies)

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Daytripper wrote : [snipped] I agree with most of those bullets, Mike except… the night before the morning after Actually, I rather enjoy that part ;^) the Broncos LOL! Oh, how the mighty have fallen ;^) /daytripper (With the undefeated Patsies)

  Oh yeah!  Well, while you spend Sunday with your nose glued to the tube, I’m going fishing. (Damn Broncos)

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The memory of Tripper’s sneakers.  It will stay with me for a long, long time.

Yeah – but they weren’t a problem on the river (though only because I don’t wear them on the river ;^) /daytripper (careful – or I’ll dig ‘em up and mail ‘em to ya!)

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   bad salmon, regular season baseball games, the nba, soccer without women (either before, during, or after), cigarettes, chiggers, driving to work, district attorneys, the morning after, the afternoon before…surely there’s more?

Postseason baseball games, soccer even with women, menthol cigarettes, sand fleas, parking at school, the night before the morning after, the City and County of Denver, being on the receiving end of an iron-wrist takedown, Ford trucks, three-two beer, jello shots, the Broncos, minor but persistent cases of the flu, not being able to fish for a few weeks, my fiancee being on the other side of the freakin’ Pacific Ocean… Like an instructor of mine once said: "sometimes, it just sucks to be you." I have to settle for being young, healthy, and solvent and seeing the sunset over the Rockies as I drink beer in the backyard every evening. The next line is true. The last line is false.

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 too much coke… not enough rum     and to think; back in the early eighties, it was just the other way around. wayno

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Day Tripper: <<These are definately worse but seldom a problem on the river. True – but you left out jet skis – which often are… /daytripper The memory of Tripper’s sneakers.  It will stay with me for a long, long time. Dave L.

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True – but you left out jet skis – which often are…

Aren’t those what PETA uses to harass fishermen (might as well drag their sorry asses in this<g)… — Charlie…

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wayno: <<district attorneys, ROFL.   BTW, counselor, when the hell are you gonna be at this Smoky thing?  Last I heard you were going to be there Sat – Tues., but I have heard tell you will be there until Thurs.  What’s up? Louie, who has wanted to do Hazel for sooooooo long!

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 Aww hell you’re right Ken, there ARE things worse than that; warm beer, Japanese shitbox cars on lowered suspensions with big boom box stereos,  the Americanization of our beloved hockey by Bettman (the commisioner) These are definately worse but seldom a problem on the river. True – but you left out jet skis – which often are… /daytripper

  Last Saturday I was on the Harrison river in my 18′Hewescraft. boats were everywhere and travelling up and down the river chasing the sockeye, and pink salmon. A disquieting noise began to emerge from down river that grew louder and louder. All of a sudden we see a long line of jet skis coming up the river like a pack of jungle dogs. I counted  29 jetskis all in a row like some gang of  Hawgs riders looking for anyone to defy them. An amazing site. If you think jet skis are bad now, just wait. It will only get worse as they drive all other boaters of the water. Stevo the future-fearer

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 Aww hell you’re right Ken, there ARE things worse than that; warm beer, Japanese shitbox cars on lowered suspensions with big boom box stereos,  the Americanization of our beloved hockey by Bettman (the commisioner) These are definately worse but seldom a problem on the river.

True – but you left out jet skis – which often are… /daytripper

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     bad salmon, regular season baseball games, the nba, soccer without women (either before, during, or after), cigarettes, chiggers, driving to work, district attorneys, the morning after, the afternoon before…surely there’s more? Ill mannered dogs, cell phones in cars, collection agencies, interruptions at dinner (or any other meal), major American brewers, cats, black flies, internal combustion engines, canned soup, Wonder "Bread" (the real wonder is that they get away with calling it bread), insurance sales people, insurance actuaries, insurance companies, muggers, buggers, huggers, Barney, Paul Hogan, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Clinton, the various Georges and other Bushes, what’s his name-the dipshit New York DJ just had his own movie last year, Ryan

Yikes, I’ve really started something here, so I guess I’ll continue; Revenue Canada, photoradar, gridlock, poachers, the Dallas Stars, Toronto, drive-by shootings, river mechanics, too much coke… not enough rum,  blown-out rivers, outboards that won’t start, commercial fisherman, Fisheries and Oceans Canada

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…  I love fly-fishing but there is nothing worse than the elitist attitude I come across among some fly fisherman. NOTHING worse ? Cheap scotch, cancelling Cheers, the designated hitter rule, novels by Robert J. Waller ? NOTHING worse ? Awww c’mon.

  Aww hell you’re right Ken, there ARE things worse than that; warm beer, Japanese shitbox cars on lowered suspensions with big boom box stereos,  the Americanization of our beloved hockey by Bettman (the commisioner) These are definately worse but seldom a problem on the river. Cheers (the salutation, not the series) Stevo the hockey starved

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    bad salmon, regular season baseball games, the nba, soccer without women (either before, during, or after), cigarettes, chiggers, driving to work, district attorneys, the morning after, the afternoon before…surely there’s more?

Ill mannered dogs, cell phones in cars, collection agencies, interruptions at dinner (or any other meal), major American brewers, cats, black flies, internal combustion engines, canned soup, Wonder "Bread" (the real wonder is that they get away with calling it bread), insurance sales people, insurance actuaries, insurance companies, muggers, buggers, huggers, Barney, Paul Hogan, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Clinton, the various Georges and other Bushes, what’s his name-the dipshit New York DJ just had his own movie last year, Ryan

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Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!

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One should be careful of posts like this, it MAY open you up to spam in your personal emailbox, and being added to a master email list for unsolicited ads that get sold these days. Post suggestions to the ng, thats what this is for right? JohnM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!

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Hey ,watch out for this guy , I read his post on the NG and the next day got the same crap through my e-mail program. How do you anti-spammerize your e-mail programs. I use 3 different programs to filter some of the crap out. But it still gets through. —– The RodMaker ICQ# 9754996 http://geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

Good question.

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

I AM NOT!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gordon wrote… I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :)

ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. — Gordon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon wrote… I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance…..

Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system.  BTW, Pooler is neither. cheers bob

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

All the U.S. participants are part of what some chose to call a "Two Party System"……

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Gordon wrote… In article

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. cheers bob

And, BTW, neither is the Nixon. I voted the Reform Party in the last National Election and am likely to do so again……. McDAve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon wrote… In article I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. And, BTW, neither is the Nixon. I voted the Reform Party in the last National Election and am likely to do so again…….

Well, I’m all for revolution, sorry – reform. — Gordon

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I am coming to San Francisco, the Nappa Valley and Yosemite National Park in September for a holiday. I am looking for a venue (preferably in Yosemite), where I can fish for a day and also hire some tackle and maybe a guide? Can anyone help me, I don’t think I can take ten days without a day fishing!! Thanks for the help . . .

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I am coming to San Francisco, the Nappa Valley and Yosemite National Park in September for a holiday. I am looking for a venue (preferably in Yosemite), where I can fish for a day and also hire some tackle and maybe a guide? Can anyone help me, I don’t think I can take ten days without a day fishing!! Thanks for the help . . .

 You can fish the river right in Yosemite Valley for trout.  There are 1 day a licenses available for about $7 as well as a 7 day license, non-residence licenses are expensive (hell, the residense license is expensive – $27.50). There are lakes in the Upper areas of Yosemite also, they fish very well with a wax worm.  The Merced River, in the valley is good with both fly and worms. Don’t know of guides in Yosemite.  Just North of the Napa Valley is Clear Lake, is a great Bass lake, guides are available, Just to the East of the lower end of Napa is Lake Berryessa, trout and bass, guides available.  In San Francisco, you can go out on the party (head) boats for both Salmon and Rockfish, they have rental tackle available ($6) the license is required and the cost of the trip is about $35 for Rockfish (3-20#) fish and $50 for Salmon. See these URL’s for additional info.  http://usafishing.com/fleet.html  http://www.anglernet.com/web/selectlk.htm  http://www.fishsniffer.com/  http://www.dfg.ca.gov/ Regards, Bill — Opinions expressed are mine not necessarily my employers. All other standard disclaimers apply! Remove nospam. To email reply.

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You could fish in a lake that has a world record largemouth in it.  That lake would be Spring Lake in Sonoma County.   Take a Rainbow Trout lure and you may get your picture on the cover of a magazine.  There is for sure at least one 24 pounder in the lake. P.S.  If anyone is thinking of emailing me and telling me that I don’t know what I am talking about, you better get your facts straight first then come off of the porch.  Just a friendly word of warning. BigDaddy

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Boy, Big Daddy…the "friendly word of warning" sounds like an invitation to flaming for some real bummers out there.   Let’s hope not.  But uh, could you share some information?  Has there been a lot of hoopla?  Do you plan to go for it? Injun Jim USN (Ret.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You could fish in a lake that has a world record largemouth in it.  That lake would be Spring Lake in Sonoma County.   Take a Rainbow Trout lure and you may get your picture on the cover of a magazine.  There is for sure at least one 24 pounder in the lake. P.S.  If anyone is thinking of emailing me and telling me that I don’t know what I am talking about, you better get your facts straight first then come off of the porch.  Just a friendly word of warning. BigDaddy

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Injun, I only say that because the last time I told the story on this group I got email from nuts all over the US telling me that I was crazy and that I had lost my grip on reality.  Even some people threatened me.  You would think that all fishermen would be interested to know about what would be the new world record but I soon found out that was not the case.  I thought that I was doing a service to the people in this group by telling what I was able to find out through about 2 weeks worth of investigation.  Many people did not see my information in the same way. That is why I am reluctant to tell it again, because inevitably I will get the same batch of emails that I did before.  It is the actions of a few idiots that keep people like me who are truly interested in very large Bass from publicly talking about what I have learned. Sorry for the ranting but I felt it necessary to explain.  I am not at all inviting anyone to flame me.  It was just merely a precaution. I will be glad to privately email you what I was able to learn and send a picture also if you are interested let me know. Thanks and Keep your worm wet. BigDaddy

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Big Daddy, I thought that I was doing a service to the people in this group by telling what I was able to find out through about 2 weeks worth of investigation.  Many people did not see my information in the same way.

What ever happened with that record.  Last I knew they were checking the bathroom scales.  It was obvious they weren’t going to let the record stand, but I never heard anything official. Richard

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Hello All, Anyone ever hear of catching steelhead in any of the streams/rivers south of Santa Cruz?  

How far south you lookin’?  Ernie’s Casting Pond is a shop in Soquel that specializes in the steelhead fishing as far down as the monterey area at least.  They have a "web presence".  Don’t have the URL handy but you can find it with a search.   Phil

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Hello All, Anyone ever hear of catching steelhead in any of the streams/rivers south of Santa Cruz?  They have these areas listed in the punch card but I’ve never heard of it before.  Also any recs on a good wt rod for steelies?  Trying it for the first time this year so any advice is helpful.  Thinking of a 7 wt… Aaron

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Hello All, Anyone ever hear of catching steelhead in any of the streams/rivers south of Santa Cruz?  They have these areas listed in the punch card but I’ve never heard of it before.  Also any recs on a good wt rod for steelies?  Trying it for the first time this year so any advice is helpful.  Thinking of a 7 wt… Aaron

There are some steelhead in the little rivers around the Santa Cruz/Montery area. Jan/Feb is the prime time. Please don’t kill any if you are lucky enough to catch one. Call Ernie’s Casing Pond in Soquel. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I do alot of Steelhead fishing up here in Oregon and I would’nt try a 7wt, I would use a minimum of an 8 and if your looking to hook into anything bigger than 10-12lb you will want the backbone of a 9. I hope this helps. David Also any recs on a good wt rod for – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – steelies?  Trying it for the first time this year so any advice is helpful.  Thinking of a 7 wt…

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   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly    I do alot of Steelhead fishing up here in Oregon and I would’nt try a 7wt,    I would use a minimum of an 8 and if your looking to hook into anything    bigger than 10-12lb you will want the backbone of a 9. I hope this helps.    David I’ve landed steelehad on a 6wt without problems.  Instead of worrying about the size of fish you are going to catch, you will be a lot better off worrying about the size of river you are going to fish, and the size of flies (and possibly sink tips) that you wish to cast.  For big flies and/or fast sinking tips, you will need a larger rod. I’ve lost plenty of steelhead that I’ve hooked on the fly, but none of them were because of an insufficient rod weight. cheers,         -tgades

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   I do alot of Steelhead fishing up here in Oregon and I would’nt try a 7wt, I’ve landed steelehad on a 6wt without problems.  Instead of worrying I’ve lost plenty of steelhead that I’ve hooked on the fly, but none of them were because of an insufficient rod weight.

I agree!  I have never had any problems with rod weight fishing for steelhead (down to 4 wt.), only with large chinook salmon. -Burton

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Over 30 years ago, I caught a steelhead in Rincon Creek near Ventura. The runs inthose small creeks are probably now history.  There were records of them running in the Los Angeles and Santa Ana rivers much further back. Jim Jim, Nevada Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV

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Hi everybody! Has anybody got any advice about flyfishing in New Zeeland. I’m planning a trip there and would like to know where, when … Thanks /Micke A    - Sweden –

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Hi everybody! Has anybody got any advice about flyfishing in New Zeeland. I’m planning a trip there and would like to know where, when … Thanks /Micke A    - Sweden –

Hi there, Try http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro This is the NZ flyfishing page. good luck….

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Micke, Check out: http://www-aghort.massey.ac.nz/flyfish/intro /Tord Andreasson

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Wanted to share my excitment as I caught a 7lb plus bass last week while fishing a pond on a golf course.  Caught her on a black Dahlberg diver I tied last winter when thinking about flyfishing.  Also caught two others close to 3 lbs.  All bass  were released so we could catch them next year!! Phil Wistrom

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Congratulations on you 7 pounder. That is a "Nice Bass". "Big Bass" start at 10 pounds.

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| Can anyone suggest the name/number of a good guide in that area.  If | you don’t know of a guide, can someone send me the name of a tackle | shop in Williamsport (information does not have a yellow page | look-up). I don’t personally know guides in Williamsport, but I know of two fly shops: The Pennsylvania Outdoor Warehouse, and E. Hille Angling Supplies. I’m sure one/both of them would be able to help, Fred P.S. Almost forgot; Barry and Cathy Beck have "Beckies Angling Supplies"      in nearby Benton, PA. on the banks of Fishing Creek. They’re both      world-renouned anglers, and I believe they provide a guide service      thru the shop. Yes, they would definitely be the folks to contact      in the Williamsport area… —         Fred L. Templin

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I am going to Williamsport, PA on 4/29 – 5/1 to work.  My wife is coming along and wants to do some fly fishing on Sat (4/30).  As it’s her birthday, I want to get her a guided trip. Can anyone suggest the name/number of a good guide in that area.  If you don’t know of a guide, can someone send me the name of a tackle shop in Williamsport (information does not have a yellow page look-up).  I would call my contact for the job, except he lives too far from Williamsport. Thanks for any assistance.   Jim Impara ps We are going to the Keys (Marathon — staying at Rainbow Bend Resort) next week.  Also connected with a work trip.  We have booked the boat Pursuit (Capt Frank Waters) for a 1/2 day trip.  Hope the Mahi Mahi are in.  We will do some close in fishing (around bridges and such) during the rest of the week.  If we have a good catch, I’ll post a note.

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