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I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.

You might find this useful; http://www.fishing-hunting.com/fishingnews/terrylawton/article3.htm TL MC

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Scott, that’s pretty much the way it works here except this may vary according to the library’s program… The feature here is called ‘ILL’ (Inter Library Loan). My Library’s website does not search the interlibrary loan database. That search (for a particular book) has to be done by the librarian.. There is a cost….50 cents.,…..to read any book out there and man there is a lot! We’re talking collectors items…oops. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome  which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~ You didn’t mention your location (big city, small town).  Most libraries I know of have extensive interlibrary loan programs these days, and the service has been way enhanced in recent years by the internet. Find the books you want, via fishing mags, fishing sites, or even Amazon’s search engine (which I go to before trying my university library search if I need an ISBN number), then go to your libraries web site and request the book.  You’ll get an email when it gets in, and your wife or you can pick it up. If you have trouble, call the reference desk at your library and see if they can help.  Librarians can be very creative to meet special needs. Also, call your state conservation office to find out if there are any special opportunities for handicapped fisherman.  Whether you’re ready for it today or need to wait a little more into your recovery, eventually you’ll want to get out and there are ways to facilitate that. Good Luck, Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome  which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~

You didn’t mention your location (big city, small town).  Most libraries I know of have extensive interlibrary loan programs these days, and the service has been way enhanced in recent years by the internet. Find the books you want, via fishing mags, fishing sites, or even Amazon’s search engine (which I go to before trying my university library search if I need an ISBN number), then go to your libraries web site and request the book.  You’ll get an email when it gets in, and your wife or you can pick it up. If you have trouble, call the reference desk at your library and see if they can help.  Librarians can be very creative to meet special needs. Also, call your state conservation office to find out if there are any special opportunities for handicapped fisherman.  Whether you’re ready for it today or need to wait a little more into your recovery, eventually you’ll want to get out and there are ways to facilitate that. Good Luck, Scott

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 I contracted food posioning which turned into Guillian Barre Syndrome which left me totally parilized. I have been in recovery for three years and have regained use of my upper body and my lower body is starting to move.Before my illness I lived to fish and flyfished anytime I could.My local Libary carries very few fly fishing titles and most are old. My question is are there any online libaries or sources that loan books? I was buying some used but I have a wife and three kids so have to watch the budget.Are there any good web sights that have alot of info on fly tieing and fishing. Thank you. KCL ”I’m Ready , Im Ready”   ~Spongebob Squarepants~

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Walter got hold of some bad shine.  Brain has to be fried. Just to clear this up for those of you who don’t know or refuse to see it. Read the first two posts of the thread: Re. WARNING: CLEANING A 555 FLY LINE

http://makeashorterlink.com/?T2F0528D – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you do not understand why Walt is upset, then you will never understand what propriety is, what good manners are, or the basic tenets of civility. Dave

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Didn’t catch the whole flame, or even how it got started, but WOW! I go away for a week and find that someone’s beloved grandmother(s) got flamed?! I didn’t put the bullet in the vise, and you stop talking about my grandma! (For anyone who remembers Bill Cosby’s classic first comedy album.)

Nope.  Don’t remember that one.  Before my time. Walter got hold of some bad shine.  Brain has to be fried. gg

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Well, my grandma (my mom’s mom) was quite a fisherman (oops, I guess that would be fisherwoman…) – she took me fishing all the time when I was a wee lad. Not only could she catch fish, she always had the amazing ability to stifle even the most obnoxious bullshitter. She was sacred indeed …

Grandma Lottie (on my mother’s side) was also one of those people whose memory evokes many stories.   She grew up on Maryland’s Eastern Shore and eloped with Clarence when she was sixteen, beginning what had to have been a hard life of farming, raising a passel of kids (all girls but one), and raising chickens. From my earliest childhood memories, they raised chickens in two long houses behind the house.   Trips to the farm almost always included dinners of fried chicken (and still the best dumplings in memory).   We never had any illusions of where the food came from; grandpop chopped off the heads right there in the dirt lane, and that night’s dinner would flop around the yard for a few strange minutes before being carried into the kitchen.   What’s for dinner?  Chicken. It was a rare ocasion that Grandmom left the farm to come to Baltimore; but when she came, we tried to show her "the big city".   We took her to one of the better restaurants in town, where there were nearly a hundred menu items; pork, veal, beef in the meat entrees; shrimp, scallops, fresh fish, under the seafood heading; a dozen different sausages (it was a German family restaurant).   After her sheltered existance on the farm, we had hoped to offer up a variety of tastes.   Instead, she tucked her napkin under her chin & ordered – fried chicken.  :-) Joe F.

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my father’s mother, oma winter, was a fine german lady full of warmth, kindness, and love. she dressed and healed my opa’s wounds following the kaisers war. she collected twigs in the forest during the day so that opa, my father, and my uncles, horst and walter, would have warmth at night. she was the force that directed the family to america in 1922, leaving the depressed fatherland for a better dream….. and a better life for her three sons. she guided the winter family through ellis island with her meager english….. and further guided the family to their new home in cleveland, ohio. she toiled for a pittance in cleveland factories whilst opa searched for decent work. opa eventually found work in an oldsmobile plant, and the family began to have the graces of a better life. oma nearly died of heartbreak, when in the early 30’s, my uncle walter was fatally injured when he slipped and fell….. broke his neck training on the rings…. gymnastics. i, the first born, am named by my father in honor and memory of him. oma loved baseball. in 1954, being a long time indians fan, she had a ball signed by the world series indians. she sent it to father to be given to me as a gift…. the year i was born. i still have that baseball…. it means so much to me. when opa retired from oldsmobile, he and oma retired to clearwater, florida. i have wonderful memories of visiting with them as a child……. playing on the beach… picking and eating fresh oranges and grapefruits in the backyard. eating fresh baked buttercougan. opa died of old age in the early 60’s and my father moved oma to miami to be with us. oma passed away shortly thereafter….. i’ll never forget the tears passing from my father’s swollen eyes….. never. so mr. gherke, consider this fair warning. for the vitrolic slight of yours in an earlier thread today concerning my beloved and sorely missed grandmothers (shall i bring up ma-ma bryant?)…. plane tickets are cheap… and i am now your worst fucking nightmare. hope to see you on the henry’s fork…. sweet dreams, Walter Garett Winter ps…. this is EOT

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Sir, in the finest of Southern tradition, may I offer to be your Second? — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my father’s mother, oma winter, was a fine german lady full of warmth, kindness, and love. she dressed and healed my opa’s wounds following the kaisers war. she collected twigs in the forest during the day so that opa, my father, and my uncles, horst and walter, would have warmth at night. she was the force that directed the family to america in 1922, leaving the depressed fatherland for a better dream….. and a better life for her three sons. she guided the winter family through ellis island with her meager english….. and further guided the family to their new home in cleveland, ohio. she toiled for a pittance in cleveland factories whilst opa searched for decent work. opa eventually found work in an oldsmobile plant, and the family began to have the graces of a better life. oma nearly died of heartbreak, when in the early 30’s, my uncle walter was fatally injured when he slipped and fell….. broke his neck training on the rings…. gymnastics. i, the first born, am named by my father in honor and memory of him. oma loved baseball. in 1954, being a long time indians fan, she had a ball signed by the world series indians. she sent it to father to be given to me as a gift…. the year i was born. i still have that baseball…. it means so much to me. when opa retired from oldsmobile, he and oma retired to clearwater, florida. i have wonderful memories of visiting with them as a child……. playing on the beach… picking and eating fresh oranges and grapefruits in the backyard. eating fresh baked buttercougan. opa died of old age in the early 60’s and my father moved oma to miami to be with us. oma passed away shortly thereafter….. i’ll never forget the tears passing from my father’s swollen eyes….. never. so mr. gherke, consider this fair warning. for the vitrolic slight of yours in an earlier thread today concerning my beloved and sorely missed grandmothers (shall i bring up ma-ma bryant?)…. plane tickets are cheap… and i am now your worst fucking nightmare. hope to see you on the henry’s fork…. sweet dreams, Walter Garett Winter ps…. this is EOT

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Walter got hold of some bad shine.  Brain has to be fried.

Just to clear this up for those of you who don’t know or refuse to see it. Read the first two posts of the thread: Re. WARNING: CLEANING A 555 FLY LINE If you do not understand why Walt is upset, then you will never understand what propriety is, what good manners are, or the basic tenets of civility.   Dave

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She sounds like a great woman! Funny, my Grandma married a Clarence also… he was a wonderful man who also loved fishing, and did alot of hunting. We had many a dinner of venison, wild pheasant, quail, rabbit and squirrel… just to name a few. Grandma was somewhat diversified in her cooking, as long as she had her large, black, cast iron skillet with the renderings of last night’s meal in it. Fresh vegetables were a mainstay, which included her kick-ass dandelion greens. Her and I would go "out in the country" for a ride to collect the greens, then stop at the local farmer’s stand to get whatever veggie we needed – I usually talked her into corn. The day before we planned on going fishing, she would take me to the county dump to stock up on red worms. That place always had the healthiest looking red worms around, and the price was right… if you could stand the smell. I really miss those days… — SaltyWaders PS… Grandma’s sister-inlaw was named Lottie – another great woman who loved fishing!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grandma Lottie (on my mother’s side) was also one of those people whose memory evokes many stories.   She grew up on Maryland’s Eastern Shore and eloped with Clarence when she was sixteen, beginning what had to have been a hard life of farming, raising a passel of kids (all girls but one), and raising chickens. From my earliest childhood memories, they raised chickens in two long houses behind the house.   Trips to the farm almost always included dinners of fried chicken (and still the best dumplings in memory).   We never had any illusions of where the food came from; grandpop chopped off the heads right there in the dirt lane, and that night’s dinner would flop around the yard for a few strange minutes before being carried into the kitchen.   What’s for dinner?  Chicken. It was a rare ocasion that Grandmom left the farm to come to Baltimore; but when she came, we tried to show her "the big city".   We took her to one of the better restaurants in town, where there were nearly a hundred menu items; pork, veal, beef in the meat entrees; shrimp, scallops, fresh fish, under the seafood heading; a dozen different sausages (it was a German family restaurant).   After her sheltered existance on the farm, we had hoped to offer up a variety of tastes.   Instead, she tucked her napkin under her chin & ordered – fried chicken.  :-)

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Didn’t catch the whole flame, or even how it got started, but WOW!

Heck, don’t feel like the Lone Ranger Salty.  I didn’t catch the whole flame either! George

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Didn’t catch the whole flame, or even how it got started, but WOW! I go away for a week and find that someone’s beloved grandmother(s) got flamed?!

I didn’t put the bullet in the vise, and you stop talking about my grandma! (For anyone who remembers Bill Cosby’s classic first comedy album.) — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Walt Winter writes: I will be there, Walt, waiting for the village idiot to "bitch slap" me like he promised.  You hold my jacket and I’ll hold your’s.  Shouldn’t take too long….. if he shows, that is.  

Just a note, I won’t be a wearing a jacket in case some dumb fucker tries to start shit around my campfire.  You guys can go about 22.455861 feet from my campfire and do whatever the hell you want though. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html

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Didn’t catch the whole flame, or even how it got started, but WOW! I go away for a week and find that someone’s beloved grandmother(s) got flamed?! What the hell happened here?! I guess I am probably better off not knowing and should keep my nose out of this… but is the topic here still fly fishing? I hope so… I really like this place. BTW, family folk are sacred in my book… — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can see salt flies…" [snip some great family memories...] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so mr. gherke, consider this fair warning. for the vitrolic slight of yours in an earlier thread today concerning my beloved and sorely missed grandmothers (shall i bring up ma-ma bryant?)…. plane tickets are cheap… and i am now your worst fucking nightmare. hope to see you on the henry’s fork…. sweet dreams, Walter Garett Winter ps…. this is EOT

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Salty Waders writes: BTW, family folk are sacred in my book…

And, they are sacred to all but one. Dave

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Too bad for those who choose to belittle someone’s folks. Well, my grandma (my mom’s mom) was quite a fisherman (oops, I guess that would be fisherwoman…) – she took me fishing all the time when I was a wee lad. Not only could she catch fish, she always had the amazing ability to stifle even the most obnoxious bullshitter. She was sacred indeed … — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can see salt flies…"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Salty Waders writes: BTW, family folk are sacred in my book… And, they are sacred to all but one. Dave

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my father’s mother, oma winter, was a fine german lady full of warmth, kindness, and love.

<snipped really good read The way I see it, anyone can insult me all they want; it’s like water off a duck’s back. When they start insulting family, it’s a different matter – and the story here is the best example why. No one has the right to trample on these kinds of memories. I’m with ya, Walt. FWIW, Tim

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Walt Winter writes:

<warm memories snipped for brevity hope to see you on the henry’s fork…. sweet dreams,

I will be there, Walt, waiting for the village idiot to "bitch slap" me like he promised.  You hold my jacket and I’ll hold your’s.  Shouldn’t take too long….. if he shows, that is.   Dave

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What Winter:  (Since you can’t spell my name correctly . . .) I really don’t care about your family history right now but when you think you can go around and insult me or others with impunity, you’re sure fire crazy! You’re memory is about as far as your next step.  Next time you insult someone, why don’t you keep the thread with the insult you find offending with your story?  That way, everything stays in sync.  Frankly, I don’t have the slightest idea what the hell you’re talking about.  Whatever I said, you probably deserved it.  Leave your family out of it. George Gehrke

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Tell you what Walter.  Just come to the Western Conclave.  I know  you won’t come because unless someone else will pay your way.  You can’t afford much more than crossing the county line once every five years and this is only if you can hitch hike. Walt?  You’re all mouth.  There isn’t a man in all of Roff that I fear. Respect is another word all together.  Just remember this Walt.  Don’t start this nonsense.  I won’t start any fight with you or anyone else but I’ll sure enough finish it.  You can put me in the hospital and when I get out I’ll come after you again and again until the day I die.  Understand?  You don’t know what a nightmare is all about.  Don’t fuck with me and don’t threaten me or anyone else here in the West. Now then, that said . . . being a gentleman is an entirely different matter for you.  You don’t see me going out of my way insulting you, or Tom Brown, or Wayne Harrison, or Zimmerman, or Jeff Miller, or anyone in North Carolina,  but you did that to me.   I don’t do that.  It is YOU who has the loose mouth.  Go back and see what you said before you start this crap? Walt?  Go fuck yourself. Gentleman George "not guilty" I just don’t think your grandma deserves you.

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

+ I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

    hmmm, well i never really thought of the terms as gender specific.  but you’re right, i can’t think of any either. mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

    um.   this one does mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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in the uk there’s quite a common gesture that people do (often leaning out of a car window) as an alternative to giving the finger. you form a circle with your thumb and index finger and then shake it up and down, usually while shouting, "WAAANKAAHHH!!!". i wonder, if it’s a woman in a car who cuts you up, whether you should just shake your hand in a rubbing motion instead? pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

"Giving it laldy" is one I know…. Brian. /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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oh. oops. I must have missed the memo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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yeah that was my reaction when I first heard it… *winks* LOL Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lol !!! judith Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… p/e Synonyms for Masturbation For women: Applying lip gloss Basting the tuna Brushing the beaver Burying the knuckle Butterin’ the muffin Checking my oil Checking the foxhole Checking the status of the I/O port Circling the knoll Cleaning my fur coat Cleaning your fingers Creamin’ the pie Digging for my keys Digitating Doing my nails Doing something for my chapped lips Doing the Two Finger Slot Rumba Drinking from the fountain of youth (for us contortionists) Drooling Dusting the endtable Entering the ring of fire Fare un ditolino (Italian: to do a little finger) Finger blasting Finger fuck Finger pie Flicking the bean Flossing the cat Frigging Getting a stain out of my carpet Going Mining Gusset typing Hula-hooping Itching the ditch JocelynEldering Killing off Licking my lips (for us contortionists) Looking for Waldo & his dog (gee, spot, there you are!) Makin’ waves for the man-in-the-boat Making soup Nulling the void Paddling the pink canoe Parting the red sea Petting Snoopy Playing solitare Playing The Silent Trombone Playing the beaver Pokin’ the pucker Polishing the wedding ring Preheating the oven Producing whore moans (hormones, get it? ;^) Pussy poking Riding the waterslide Rolling the dough Rubbin’ the nubbin Scratching the patch Secret vice Shooting hoops Shooting the rapids Slapping the Mackerel Snatching Soaking in Palmolive Spelunking Stiffening my upper lip Stirring it up Stoking the furnace Strumming the banjo Surfin’ the channel Taking a dip The two fingered tango Tickling the taco Toggling the bit Unclogging the drain Visiting Niagra Falls Visiting your safety deposit box Whipping your nest Working in the garden for Men: A big date with Rosy Palms Adjusting your set Applying the hand brake Attacking the one-eyed purple-headed warrior Auditioning the finger puppets Auditioning your hand puppet Backstroke roulette Bashing the Bishop Bashing the candle Beating off Beating the balogna Beating the bed flute Beating the Bishop Beating the dummy Beating the old man Beating the pud Beating the stick Beating your meat Beef-stroke-it-off Being a virtuoso of the skin flute Being your own best friend Biffing off Bleed the weed Blowing the load Blowing your own horn Bludgeoning the beefsteak Bobbing your boloney Bopping Richard Bopping the bishop Bopping the bolgney Bopping the Bonzo Boxing the bald champ Boxing the clown Boxing the jesuit and getting cockroaches Boxing with Richard Buffin’ the bishop Buffing the banana Buffing the rifle Buggering your hand Burping the baby Burping the worm Buttering the corn Caning the vandal Capturing the bishop Charming the snake Checking for testicular cancer Cheesing off Choking Kojak Choking the bald guy until he pukes Choking the chicken Choking the sheriff and waiting for the posse to come Churning your butter Clamping the pipe Cleaning your rifle Clearing the snorkel Climbin the tree Climbing Mount Baldy Clobbering the Kleenex Closet Frisbee Clubbing the clam Coating Prince William Sound with love oil Coming into your own Coming to grips with yourself Cooking the cream of cock Corralling the tadpoles Couch hockey for one Cranking the love pump Cranking the monkey Cranking the shank Crimping the wire Crowning the king Cuddlin’ the Kielbasa Cuffing the carrot Dancing with Johnnie One-Eye Dating Miss Michigan (think geography) Dating Rosie Palm and her five sisters Decongesting the weasel Defrosting the fridge Diddling Digging for change Digitally oscillating one’s penis Doin’ The Solitary Rhumba Doing a hand job Doing battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love Doing handiwork Doing It Your Way Doing the five-knuckle shuffle Doing the human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT Doing the janitor thing Doing the knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Doing the pork sword jiggle Doing the White Knuckler Doing your own thing Downing at the club (for members only) Draining the monster Draining the poisons from the building Driving the skin bus Dry humping the ottoman Dundering the devil-dolphin Electing the president Engaging in safe sex Escorting the one-eyed postal worker out of its denim cell Faxing Jimmy Dean Faxing the Pope Feeding the ducks Firing the flesh musket Firing the Surgeon General Fishing for zipper trout Fist fucking Fisting your mister Five-finger solo Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump Five on one Flick on over the thumb Flapping Takkie (South African) Flaying the Emperor Flicking the bic Flipping the Bishop Flogging the bishop Flogging the dog Flogging the dolphin Flogging the dong Flogging the frog Flogging the hog Flogging the log Flogging the mule Flogging the salami Flogging your dumber brother Flute solo Fly fishing Fondling the fig Freeing Willy Friggit Frosting the pastries Galloping the antelope Galloping the old lizard Genitalic stimulation via phallengetic motion Getting a date with Slick Mittens Getting a grip on things Getting a stiffy Getting chafed Getting off Getting the German soldier marching Getting the glue stick Getting to know yourself Getting your palm read by Mister Softee Getting your palm red Getting your pole varnished Giving it a tug Giving yourself a low five Glazing the donut Gluing the lady’s eye’s shut Going a couple of rounds with ol’ josh Going blind Going on a date with Handrea and Palmela Going on a date with Rosey Palm and the five daughters Going on Peewee’s little adventure Going the blow Grappling the gorilla Greasing the pipe Gripping the pencil Hacking the hog Han Solo Hand job Hand Shandy Handy work Hanging the old man Hard labor Having a ball Having a conversation with the one-eyed trouser snake Having a date with Fisty Palmer Having a date with Rosie Palm and her five sisters Having a ham shank Having a J. Arthur (British special, after J. Arthur Rank, it’s rhyming slang) Having a one-night-stand with yourself Having a Sherman (British) Having a tug Having a tug-of-war with the cyclops Having an arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel Having dinner Having it off Having sex with someone you love Hitchhiking to heaven Hitchhiking underneath the big top Holding my own Holding the sausage hostage Honing the cone Hugging the hog Humping the hose Ironing some wrinkles Jack hammering Jacking off Jazzing yourself Jerkin’ the gherkin Jerking Jamby Jerking off Jerking the turkey Jerking yanking daisy-chaining Jizzlobbing Juggling the coullions Just jerkin’ it Kicking seamen Kicking your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents" Killing it Kneading my knockwurst. Knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Knuckling the bone La veuve poignet (French) Launching the hand shuttle Looking for ticks Loping the mule Loves labors lost Loving the muppet Lubing the Tube Making a foreskin cone Making friends with Big Ed Making instant pudding Making the bald man puke Making the scene with the magazine Making vanilla jism shakes Making yourself at home Mangling the midget Manipulating the mango Manning the cockpit Manual labor Manual override Master bacon Meeting Mary Palm and her five sisters Meeting Rosie Hancock Meeting with Mother Thumb and her four daughters Milking one’s self Milking the bull Milking the cow Milking the lizard Milking the moose Milking the weasel Minding my own business Molesting the mole Mounting a corporal and four Much goo about nothing My sex life! Nerking your throbber Oiling the glove Onan’s Olympics Onanism One gun salute One man show One off the wrist Packing your palm Paddling the pickle Painting the ceiling Painting the pickle Painting the walls Palming the calm Peelin’ some chiles Peeling the banana Peeling the carrot Performing a self-test Performing diagnostics on your ManTool Perling the oyster Petting the lizard Phoning the czar Pipping the pumpkin Playing a little five-on-one Playing a one-stringed guitar Playing in a one-man show Playing Peek-A-Boo With Mr. Johnson Playing peekaboo Playing pocket pinball Playing pocket pool Playing tag with the pink torpedo Playing the flesh flute Playing the one-stringed melody Playing the skin flute Playing tug-o-war with the cyclops Playing Uno Playing with the spitting llama Playing with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys?) Pleasing your pisser Plunking your twanger Pocket pinball Pocket pool Pole vaulting Polishing Percy in your palm Polishing the beak Polishing the family jewels Polishing the helmet Polishing the rocket Polishing the sword Popping a nut Popping the cork Pounding off Pounding the bald-headed moose Pounding the pud Pounding your flounder Preparing the carrot Priming the pump Pud wrestling Pulling off Pulling rank Pulling the bologna pony Pulling the carrot Pulling the Colonel Sanders Heimleich Manuever

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

I heard "jilling off", but that can’t be right, right?  Because women don’t do that…  ;-) Before you buy.

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I prefer the term "self-love!" Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… That has never occured to me.  I can’t think of a single slang term for it.  Strange. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.  Western world women aren’t supposed to enjoy themselves. Okay, let’s invent some. 1: Massaging the muffin. 2: Tickling the taco. 3: Petting the beaver. Come to think of it, the problem may be the lack of "nice" slang words for the female anatomy.

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Gosh I hope you’re kidding!!!  Research shows that women who masturbate are much more sexually satisfied when they have sex with a partner.  They are more orgasmic and speak up for their wants and needs more. Jane, who’s very sexually satisfied….hehehe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

A couple more I’ve heard are: Jilling off Gettin’ a BUZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (equipment dependent) Parting the Red Sea

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the only thing i can think of even tho its not slang for it is mind numbingly beutifull – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Come ON people, SEARCH ENGINES!!!!  Here ya go, the first thing that came up when I asked Google for "euphemisms for female masturbation".  Enjoy! http://www2.hawaii.edu/~namara/jokes/master2.htm Johanna

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Geeeeez….  Now look what you ladies did to me.  I’ve got these images in my head now… Note to self: pick up baby oil on the way home.

    spit is cheaper mouse

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse

A real hotbed of activity… How does anyone ever get anything done in the world.

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Hi Eye… I also recall hearing of a study that found women to be far more likely than men to masturbate while driving.  Actually it makes sense because it is much easier for women to do so (no need to pull anything out).

Searching for alt.binaries.female-masturbation.car send photo’s if you have them!

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I’ll have to comment on this after emergency surgery… my gut is How about ‘diddling’? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Cindy Lou, Somewhere down the road, I heard someone say that since guys Jack- off, then women must Jill-off….. Made sense, logically….but when it comes to sex, logic rarely applies…..:D Frank

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Been doing some smallmouth fishing myself.  Its not well known out here; I had a number of trout fisherman try my drift without catching any trout at all.  Imagine that!   They gave up and left and I continued to catch an occasional 2lb smallie.  I have only recently discovered this fishery myself and it makes for  a really nice change of pace.  In fact I am going to leave the stone fly hatch on the South Fork to the YUFFIES and go looking for more smallie water.  I really like those fish… John.

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 The little 10 inch smallie inhaled Dale’s bug but Dianna was able to release with a twist of the wrist without lifting the fish from the water.  It was interesting to note that this section of river has excellent big Bluegill but all the strikes she had came from smallmouth!

I am sorry that the bluegill did not cooperate. I have a hard time testing the flies on smallmouth because there are so few around here. I am sure she had a smile on her face. Thanks for the trip report…I felt like I was there. Big Dale

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 At last, this past weekend saw the Rappahannock water levels fall enough to allow for safer wading.  My wife and I set out early (5:15 am) Sunday morning to be on the river before 6.  I had to make BIG promises about the rest of the day to get her up that time of the morning (4:30).  She actually beat me out the door and we arrived at the river as the sun was coming up over the river.  A long legged wading bird stood sentry on the water, his reflection mirrored in a quiet pool.  Two pair of Mallards moved noisily away from the bank as we walked down the trail.  Dianna carried the Connor rod to gain the advantage of the extra 2 ft. of rod length on this river and the extra weight of the line for larger smallmouth bugs.  I started with a Murray’s Leadeyed Hellgrammite behind an AirFlo super-fast sinking leader and 3 ft. of 1X tippet.  Dianna rigged the Connor up with a floating leader and a BIG DALE FOAM SPIDER.  Being nearly a foot shorter, Dianna fished closer to the bank and I took the middle of the river.  We worked downstream together.  She had the first three strikes and first fish.  Smallmouth bass were eager that morning.  The little 10 inch smallie inhaled Dale’s bug but Dianna was able to release with a twist of the wrist without lifting the fish from the water.  It was interesting to note that this section of river has excellent big Bluegill but all the strikes she had came from smallmouth!  In the meantime, I worked the deeper sloughs fishing the Hellgrammite across and down stripping back in slow twitches.  WHAM!!  A 14" fish!  WHAM!! his grandfather!   WHAM!! the fist fish’s sister/girlfriend (West Virginia?).  The morning was going beautifully.  Dianna paused after a few fish to sit on a large rock and just watch the river.  She spotted a muskrat swimming across and soon a Bald Eagle made his appearance. All fishing action stopped to watch that bird wing gracefully upriver. We fished a while longer then headed out to IHOP for a big breakfast of eggs and Harvest Grain and Nut pancakes.  The hubbub of civilization was just 5 minutes away from our wilderness jaunt on the river. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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At last, this past weekend saw the Rappahannock water levels fall enough to allow for safer wading.

        (neat report snipped) thanks for reviving some great memories of that gorgeous river! wayno

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thanks for reviving some great memories of that gorgeous river! wayno

We were fishing just about 200 yards downstream of where we were wading when Anthony caught his first smallie.  Warmer weather but that pink glow in the sky from sunrise and water temperature about 75.  Nice caddis hatch coming off. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I think that for either Irish or, especially, Scotch whisky, you have to use Spey gear.

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Realize how silly this is? It’s starting to sound like, "it’s OK to use too-light gear and kill the fish because a dead fish is just as good as a live one so long as it’s left in the environment." I think I’ll start thunking my "released" fish on the head so I can take a nice picture of them on the grass next to my Orvis bamboo and woven creel; then I’ll toss them back in the river dead. On second thought, I think I’ll follow what’s his-name’s advice in the Curtis Creek Manifesto: "fly fishing is the classiest chess game in town. It’s only good manners to leave the pieces on the board for the other players."

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C&R exists to feed the bears ?

Not just the bears.  Otters, ospreys, eagles, pelicans, and other critters that eat fish. In Yellowstone, the needs of the indigenous species take precedence over humans when it comes to using fish as a food source.  Even dead fish (regardless of how they die) are a food source for the indigenous animals.  No surprise, really, as Yellowstone (and other NPs) is managed as a natural area. BTW…..the C&R regs for Yellowstone are not universal.  They apply to certain species and/or certain waters in the Park.  There are plenty of C&K opportunities in the Park as well.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – C&R exists to feed the bears ? Not just the bears.  Otters, ospreys, eagles, pelicans, and other critters that eat fish. In Yellowstone, the needs of the indigenous species take precedence over humans when it comes to using fish as a food source.  Even dead fish (regardless of how they die) are a food source for the indigenous animals.  No surprise, really, as Yellowstone (and other NPs) is managed as a natural area. BTW…..the C&R regs for Yellowstone are not universal.  They apply to certain species and/or certain waters in the Park.  There are plenty of C&K opportunities in the Park as well.

It doesn’t matter, it’s evil, EVIL I tell you.  Don’t you know, I said it’s EVIL!!!!!!    Why isn’t anybody listening to me?  It’s EVIL and you all are EVIL for even uttering that word.  How dare you talk about bears, it’s beers as far as Tim is concerned.  The more beer present in your bloodstream, the more coherent Tim’s theories become…that is his grand scheme to take over the world.  :-) Okay, I think I need to go eat now, too little blood sugar I suppose.      - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the  initiative in creating the Internet."  - Al Gore

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Rusty Hook: Even if a fish is dead or dying, it is to be released, where it will be found (and eaten) by park wildlife. TBone: I struggle with this justification for C&R in a big way. C&R exists to feed the bears ? Doesn’t fly with me any more than leaving the half eaten jiffy pop on a stump for the same reason.

I see your point, and can see some potential problems with the policy, such as attracting bears (& other animals) to places frequented by humans. OTOH, I think the reason they say this is to answer the question, "So what do I do if a fish is gill-hooked, but illegal to keep? Won’t it just go to waste if I leave it?" Also, as others have said, in a national park, wildlife always has top priority (or should, anyway). I agree with you that it doesn’t justify C&R; I see it more as a policy of absolutely no harvest (by humans) in certain areas of the park, no matter what. When I’m in Yellowstone, I take it a step further by not fishing these areas at all. There plenty of park waters that allow some harvest, and that’s where I go. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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It doesn’t matter, it’s evil, EVIL I tell you.  Don’t you know, I said it’s EVIL!!!!!!    Why isn’t anybody listening to me?  It’s EVIL and you all are EVIL for even uttering that word.  How dare you talk about bears, it’s beers as far as Tim is concerned.  The more beer present in your bloodstream, the more coherent Tim’s theories become…that is his grand scheme to take over the world.  :-) Okay, I think I need to go eat now, too little blood sugar I suppose.

GEEZ!!!!!!  SORRY!  How foolish of me……. Oh…..I have tried the beer bit.  At my normal consumption rate (not small), but I haven’t noticed an increase in coherency.  I guess I need to increase consumption. I hope you have now restored your blood sugar levels….

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If you fish for stocked trout don’t worry about them dying, most do. Don’t touch a native fish unless you have to.

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[deleted] Even if a fish is dead or dying, it is to be released, where it will be found (and eaten) by park wildlife.

I struggle with this justification for C&R in a big way. C&R exists to feed the bears ? Doesn’t fly with me any more than leaving the half eaten jiffy pop on a stump for the same reason. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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around the goal of harvesting or gathering food. I mean, what other goal can there possibly be for these skills we practice?  If it is not food, then it is just a game for our enjoyment, something akin to golf or tennis. Playing and landing a fish is just as important as getting it to strike in the first place, and even though you’ll never land all the fish you hook, you can improve (at least I can!).

You make a good argument, and if I am truly fishing for the table or the frig, I do "feel badly" about losing the fish.  But mostly I C&R and at the end of the fight I will give the fish some slack and hope it self-releases.  Actually bringing the fish to hand is unimportant to me, but I respect that others have a different perspective. Pat K

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :But the set of skills is still centered :around the goal of harvesting or gathering food. I mean, what other :goal can there possibly be for these skills we practice?  If it is not : People fish for very different, personal reasons.  Most can’t really : even put into words the exact reason why they fish.  How can you, : however subtly, tell someone that their reasons for fishing are : "wrong"? After I posted it, I imagined it might be taken that way given that when posted it enters a huge ROFFian context of previous discussions, and I want to say to Joe that I am not saying this has to be everybody’s "way". In regards to what you are saying, I am *not* saying anything about the reasons someone fishes, I am only saying something about the skills involved. I purposely directed it towards an explanation of the skillset, not the act of fishing itself. And since I said nothing about the reasons people fish, I certainly didn’t claim anyone’s reasons were "wrong".

I have a hard time buying that.  Since it was in response to someone being happy fishing without a hook and the statement that fishing for other reasons makes fishing a game or sport, but yes I’m probably going by the larger "ROFF context".  As long as you say here that other people’s reasons are not "wrong" then I’ll take your word for what you meant before.      - Ken — "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the  initiative in creating the Internet."  - Al Gore

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I’d LDR most of ‘em if I could get my fly back.

If your flies are de-barbed, you can usually do this by putting a little slack in the line. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Success to me is when you’ve done all : that right and persuade a fish to strike.   I don’t deny there’s some : pleasure and satisfaction in bringing a big one to the net, but its a very : small part of the challenge, and I do that as quickly as possible.    I’d : LDR most of ‘em if I could get my fly back. So, in my mind, if we are to be fishermen we should honor the complete set of skills that fishing is based on. Yes, we now can and often do go catch fish and release them, thus "practicing" the skills of fishing, and enjoying it. But the set of skills is still centered around the goal of harvesting or gathering food. I mean, what other goal can there possibly be for these skills we practice?  If it is not food, then it is just a game for our enjoyment, something akin to golf or tennis.

This seems very condescending to me.  We’ve had this discussion before. People fish for very different, personal reasons.  Most can’t really even put into words the exact reason why they fish.  How can you, however subtly, tell someone that their reasons for fishing are "wrong"?     – Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."    - Henry David Thoreau

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Yup, most definately. Provided you kill and eat what you catch. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…" B.M.P.I.A.

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As I understand it, where C&R is mandatory, you have no choice but to release the fish. Keeping it would be illegal, for whatever reason.

This is brought up in the Yellowstone fishing regs. In the park, the main reason for c&r is to leave the trout in place as a food source for other animals. (This is also a major reason why the lake trout infestation of Yellowstone Lake is taken so seriously.) Even if a fish is dead or dying, it is to be released, where it will be found (and eaten) by park wildlife. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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<snip I’d LDR most of ‘em if I could get my fly back.

Easy fix – just clip off the hook.  I’ve done that by accident many times (now I know to check my fly more often) and the fishing was just as enjoyable as with a hook as long as I didn’t know<G.  Now I mostly fish barbless or with a pinched down barb so remote release is pretty easy. Maybe too easy… –Stan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Success to me is when you’ve done all : that right and persuade a fish to strike.   I don’t deny there’s some : pleasure and satisfaction in bringing a big one to the net, but its a very : small part of the challenge, and I do that as quickly as possible. I’d : LDR most of ‘em if I could get my fly back. Interesting…below is a piece I wrote for this month’s local FF club newsletter: Well, not me. Nope, nosiree. I feel bad when I lose a fish. After all, I failed to bring it to hand. And I don’t want to get comfortable with failure. OK, maybe you’re thinking that I take fishing way too seriously. It’s not that I get angry or anything like that—I enjoy fishing whether I catch something or not—but it’s just that I don’t want to get comfortable with a job half done, so to speak.

<snip I don’t disagree with you or at all preach that my way should be everybody’s way.   It’s just that I grew up as a bait fisherman, spending many a day enjoyably pulling fish out of the Chesapeake Bay for fun and for dinner.   I just don’t find that challenging anymore.   I KNOW I can catch fish.   I know I can retrieve a hooked fish more often than not.   Playing a fish is still fun and I still like it; it’s just not necessary to my happiness. Relatively, I am a neophyte in the fly fishing arena.   I have a lot to learn and a lot of skills to hone.   At this stage of my ffing life, it is in conquering these challenges that I find enjoyment.   Reeling in fish just isn’t one of them for me.   Been there, done that.   YMMV. Joe F.

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Amongst my fishing aquaintances, bragging rights go to the people who catch the biggest fish in relation to the lightest tackle. IME, after a 20 minute fight, the fish dies shortly thereafter. So how does one resolve the paradox of quickly and safely bringing in a fish vs. using light enough line to make it a bit of a challenge?

To me, that’s one of the biggest differences between fly & bait fishing. In fly fishing, the bigger challenges are in stalking the fish; selecting the correct stream position; selecting the right fly, tippet, etc.; and making a good cast and presentation.   Success to me is when you’ve done all that right and persuade a fish to strike.   I don’t deny there’s some pleasure and satisfaction in bringing a big one to the net, but its a very small part of the challenge, and I do that as quickly as possible.    I’d LDR most of ‘em if I could get my fly back. Joe F.

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You’re fishing friends need to grow some more brain cells.  I suggest using a tippet size that is sufficient to land the fish well short of exhausting it, yet fine enough that the tippet is not readily noticeable to the quarry.

Actually, that’s the much more interesting question.  IMO the tippet should be the right size to turn over the fly, yet not hinder the desired action or float.  I’ve read studies where fish pick off dead-drifting beetles, etc with huge pieces of mono stuck in them.  I could be wrong but I don’t think visibility of the tippet is always of big concern.  It could be in certain situations I guess. Regards, Jeff

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So how does one resolve the paradox of quickly and safely bringing in a fish vs. using light enough line to make it a bit of a challenge?

I resolve this "paradox" by not making the size of the line or tippet part of the "challenge".  I just don’t play that game.  The challenge is in getting the fish to take, and not letting it get off.  If a small tippet is required for presentation, so be it.  But I never would purposely use a small tippet or rod just to make a game out of landing the fish. Regards, Jeff

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David writes: Amongst my fishing aquaintances, bragging rights go to the people who catch the biggest fish in relation to the lightest tackle. IME, after a 20 minute fight, the fish dies shortly thereafter.

You’re fishing friends need to grow some more brain cells.  I suggest using a tippet size that is sufficient to land the fish well short of exhausting it, yet fine enough that the tippet is not readily noticeable to the quarry. Pat K

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I usually only go light enough to fool the fish.  Bragging about it is silly if they really are interested in letting them go. Mu

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Some people need or want "bragging rights" for all sorts of things.  This is probably not the best basis for comtemplative fly-angling.

Amen! Peter G. Aitken

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Amongst my fishing aquaintances, bragging rights go to the people who catch the biggest fish in relation to the lightest tackle. IME, after a 20 minute fight, the fish dies shortly thereafter. So how does one resolve the paradox of quickly and safely bringing in a fish vs. using light enough line to make it a bit of a challenge? Does one change tackle if C&R is the rule of the day? Can anything be done to help a fish survive after a hard fight? I personally C&R most of the time, but don’t want to release a fish that will probably not make it.

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 I personally C&R most of the time, but don’t want to release a fish that will probably not make it.

Assuming that this isn’t a troll, this topic has been done to death here, not that it won’t be again, or can’t be done now.  Try doing a deja search on c&r or ethics, you may be surprised and incredibly bored with what you find. — Levi "There are no facts, only interpretations." -Friedrich Nietzsche

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The size of your gear should be matched to the size of your target fish. Purposely fishing too light is not a good thing to do as far as the fish are concerned.  What is ethical is something you will have to decide for yourself.  If one fishes, one must accept that there will be casualties, if this is disturbing, then one should not fish, irrespective of whether one practises C&R or C&K. The best way to ensure fish survival is to bring them in fairly quickly, unhook them without touching them, or at least wet your hands thoroughly before touching them.  Holding the fish gently upright in the water for a moment may help to revive it. As I understand it, where C&R is mandatory, you have no choice but to release the fish. Keeping it would be illegal, for whatever reason. An exhausted fish is less of a problem if you are going to keep it anyway, you just knock it on the head. Some people need or want "bragging rights" for all sorts of things.  This is probably not the best basis for comtemplative fly-angling. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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I currently have for sale a nice copy of "Fly Fishing Through the Midlife Crisis" by Howell Raines. A very clean softcover copy, published in 1994 by Anchor Books. The 352 page book is fresh and clean inside and out, except for a gift inscription inside the front cover. Available for $4 plus $2 postage. If regards. Dave

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I currently have for sale a nice copy of "Fly Fishing Through the Midlife Crisis" by Howell Raines. A very clean softcover copy, published in 1994 by Anchor Books. The 352 page book is fresh and clean inside and out, except for a gift inscription inside the front cover. Available for $4 plus $2 postage. If regards. Dave

Interesting… Just when is "Middle Age". I’d like to be prepared… — Michael Era

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I will be in Australia’s Northern Territory (near Darwin) in late August through September. I was hoping someone could offer some advice as to what weight rods I should bring and what type of flies. Any help will be greatly appreciated. -Alex Hill

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I will be in Australia’s Northern Territory (near Darwin) in late August through September. I was hoping someone could offer some advice as to what weight rods I should bring and what type of flies. Any help will be greatly appreciated. -Alex Hill

from what appears to be the area you are describing. He has developed some flies that were effective enough for his son to establish a new world record on one of the fish (I don’t remember the name)in a line/tippet class. Please mention Flymaker during your communication. It will probably cause him to be more willing to be of assistance.

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I will be in Australia’s Northern Territory (near Darwin) in late August through September. I was hoping someone could offer some advice as to what weight rods I should bring and what type of flies. Any help will be greatly appreciated. -Alex Hill

Hi Alex, What sort of fish do you want to catch? Freshwater rivers and billabongs (lakes) – barramundi are not really on the bite at that time of year, but saratoga are and are excellent sport on 8-10 wt rods with surface flies like dahlberg divers. Saltwater is excellent in August-September with large spanish mackerel (king mackerel?), longtail tuna, queenfish and giant trevally all close to Darwin. I will try to get some Darwin guides email addresses or phone numbers for you. Cheers John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders’

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The Fly Fisherman is a true FF shop they can accomidate you for fresh and saltwater, they also have a store in Titusville (you can FF for redfish in the indian river and mosquito lagoon area). Dominic Pruitt Cary, NC (Relatives in Orlando area)

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Dear Joseph                 There are two excellent fishing shops Jumbo Sports and The Fly Fisherman, they are both in the yellow pages. I visitedthem while i was on holiday. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have received a very interesting job offer in the Orlando area (zip 32750)… but I’m trying to check some things out before I commit myself. I know the fishing is good down there… but what’s the flt-fishing presence like? Any good shops in the area? Any tying supplies for freshwater? I may be headed down for an interview shortly… any place I should scope out while I’m there? Thanks! — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |   TesserAct Studios  ()X  Darwin (;        Now on the Web at      |  Cincinnati, OH 45240  //~~~LL~~~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 | New Dimensions In Filk!   If you race a train to the crossing and the train gets there first,      the train wins. If you get there first, the train STILL wins.

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I have received a very interesting job offer in the Orlando area (zip 32750)… but I’m trying to check some things out before I commit myself. I know the fishing is good down there… but what’s the flt-fishing presence like? Any good shops in the area? Any tying supplies for freshwater? I may be headed down for an interview shortly… any place I should scope out while I’m there? Thanks! — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |   TesserAct Studios  ()X  Darwin (;        Now on the Web at      |  Cincinnati, OH 45240  //~~~LL~~~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 | New Dimensions In Filk!   If you race a train to the crossing and the train gets there first,      the train wins. If you get there first, the train STILL wins.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have received a very interesting job offer in the Orlando area (zip 32750)… but I’m trying to check some things out before I commit myself. I know the fishing is good down there… but what’s the flt-fishing presence like? Any good shops in the area? Any tying supplies for freshwater? I may be headed down for an interview shortly… any place I should scope out while I’m there? Thanks! — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |   TesserAct Studios  ()X  Darwin (;        Now on the Web at      |  Cincinnati, OH 45240  //~~~LL~~~~LL~  http://shell.idt.net/~ellis69 | New Dimensions In Filk!   If you race a train to the crossing and the train gets there first,      the train wins. If you get there first, the train STILL wins.

       One thing you’ll learn is that Orlado is just one area, there are many cities in the area and all are back to back so to speak. Check the phone book and don’t be put off by the city names. There is an Orvis shop in Winter Park, 2 Bitters shops, all kinds of mall shops, KMart sells fly fishing poppers, flys and some low level gear as does WallMart. Fern Park, Altamonte Springs, Winter Park are some of the towns heading north on either I-4 or 17/92 all really close together. There are numerous bait and tackle shops all over the place and Titusville, Cape Canaveral is also close. as to bait and tackle "The big Bass hole is about 6 blocks from my house in Sanford. It’s on lake Monrow (the St.John’s runs through it.) What you’ll need is an 8wt at least for bass and small saltwater possibly a 3wt for bream and a short 5wt for general streamside among trees etc. There are so many shops and sporting goods stores that I can’t begin to tell you about all of them.                                                             John Popp                                                          in Sanford Fl.

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything

There are two kinds of Maine salmon fishing, for Atlantic (sea-run) salmon and for resident (landlocked) salmon.  Chances of an Atlantic salmon are very small: they run mostly in June-July.  August is the relatively poorest month for landlocks, but a reasonable prospect, best in the most distant and lightly-fished streams e.g. headwaters of the Penobscot R.  Your problem then may be travel time. Another special problem is Maine’s "trophy" regulations which (I interpreted when last there, 1994) mean that on most famous rivers you are supposed to stop fishing after landing one landlocked salmon.   A special and different place is Grand Lake Stream in SE Maine (Washington County?), a short river between two big lakes, with a couple of hotels, campsites etc.  I have not been there for 15 years, but there used to be very good fly fishing in that river all summer long, for landlocks and trout as well as bass, besides canoe-borne lake fishing too.  This might be the best place to take a visitor from overseas — if the quality of the sport is anything like it used to be…. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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If you are ready to consider the province of Quebec (just north of the Maine border), I think you could easily find what you are looking for… As a starting point, I suggest you the pages "Hunting and Fishing in the province of Quebec (Canada)" http://www.ojori.com/outdoor/ehunt.htm Look particularly to the region of Gaspesia which is the closest "salmon fishing region" to Maine. Jo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before.  I was wondering if someone knows a good place to go in Maine and stay there for 2-3 days.  I have been looking through the internet but everything seems so "organized" that it is pathetic.  They give you a "cabin" (a mini hotel), make your beds, cook your food, show you around, etc…..and I am looking (if I can find it of course) for something more simple and uncivilized. I just want a cabin right next to a river where nobody bothers us, no maids, no lodge meals…etc.  if anyone knows of such a place I would like to know about it.  If this place doesn’t exist, suggestions for more "civilized" places will be also appreciated.  Thank you very much for your help! -Emilio …Y entre los muertos habra siempre una lengua viva para decir que Zaragoza no se rinde……

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<<My dad is coming from Europe in August and he is very interested in fishing ONE salmon, something that he has never done before. Consider Lakewood Camps on the Rapid River.  Yes, they feed you (damn well too), and the cabins are primitive (rustic?).  The fishing for landlocks is good, although August would not be my choice.  This is fly fishing only, catch and release. Phone Sue and Stan Milton at 207-243-5959.  It is about a 3 hour drive from Boston. Dave LaCourse

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I second the recomendation of Lakewood Lodge on the Rapid River. You may find it to be a bit crowded though. The Rapid has been discovered.

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.   The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0) Dave LaCourse

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<<The Rapid has been discovered. Oh, it has been discovered a long, long time ago, but *conquered* by  only a few.

Ain’t that the truth! ;^) The importance of Lakewood Camps is that without them, most of us could not fish the Rapid.  If Lakewood survives, my favorite spot in the whole world survives.  Without Lakewood, I couldn’t fish the river

I second the motion. Stan and Sue run a wonderful camp in a gorgeous location. The only down-side is the cooking is just too good (no matter how hard I wade, or how far down the Carry Road I roam, I still manage to gain more than 5 pounds in a long weekend!) Long live the Rapid River and its Lakewood Camps.  BTW, I have never been at Lakewood when it was truly crowded.  I have been on the river when it was crowded, but curiously, only Lakewood folks, or others who have been on the river for years, were catching fish.  And I have caught fish next to guides and their clients who were catching zilch!  And continued to catch ZILCH for three days.  Wonderful river, the Rapid!  :0)

Wonderful indeed. But everyone reading this is hereby sworn to secrecy! Tell no others about this river and it may have a prayer of remaining a lovely river to visit… Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.               Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus                      Maynard, Massachusetts < < !!NOTE: Remove the "BB" from my address to respond by email!!  < <<<<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely to be                     shared by my employer, etc…

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Once upon a time after a full day of fishing I tied on a olive

wooly bugger, turned around and cast down stream and let all of my line out in the current.  The I started reeling, yes thats right reeling the line back in.  And guess what.  The trout loved it. Hope I am not stipped of my rod and waders for admit<<< Hey, they call that slamming fish where i come from, and its a hell of technique.  Works great for steelhead and salmon. Tom — "For the love of the fly, the cycle of spring, and all things that remind us of nature’s cruel dance."

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Colin Albert writes: My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I saidit.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the onlyone that ties this on when nothing is working???

I use the Royal Wulff #14 on small mountain streams in New Mexico. It is the best single producer for me. I wonder how much color can be seen from below water, and how much the fisherman can see. May improve the fisherman’s odds ? Nothing makes a more attentive fisherman than a fly that he thinks is going to work ! Arch Thiessen an indian trader from Santa Fe ******* Arch Thiessen                                                 "never put off ’till tomorrow what can be put off ’till next week" . . . anon

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My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I saidit.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the onlyone that ties this on when nothing is working???

I’ve caught alot of Brown Trout on the Royal Wulff in the small lakes in the hills of Mid Wales. It seems to work especially well in a flat calm and can bring fish to the surface if twitched rather than fished static. I’m never sure if this is simply because of the disturbance caused or whether the pattern has something to do with it. A Grey Wulff of the same size doesn’t seem to have the same effect. Any answers? Oliver Hides BBC Wales Cardiff.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My favorite patterns are similar – elk hair caddis, lt cahill, griffin gnat renegade, adams.  But, and I am a bit ashamed to admit this — I have caught more trout and larger trout on a #16 royal wulff than any other.  There, I saidit.  This fly has seemed to go out of favor, and I wonder why.  Am I the onlyone that ties this on when nothing is working??? I’ve caught alot of Brown Trout on the Royal Wulff in the small lakes in the hills of Mid Wales. It seems to work especially well in a flat calm and can bring fish to the surface if twitched rather than fished static. I’m never sure if this is simply because of the disturbance caused or whether the pattern has something to do with it. A Grey Wulff of the same size doesn’t seem to have the same effect. Any answers? Oliver Hides BBC Wales Cardiff.

Once upon a time after a full day of fishing I tied on a olive wooly bugger, turned around and cast down stream and let all of my line out in the current.  The I started reeling, yes thats right reeling the line back in.  And guess what.  The trout loved it. Hope I am not stipped of my rod and waders for admitting this. heheh Tom

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: : : : I’ve caught alot of Brown Trout on the Royal Wulff in the small lakes in the : hills of Mid Wales. It seems to work especially well in a flat calm : and can bring fish to the surface if twitched rather than fished static. I’m : never sure if this is simply because of the disturbance caused or whether the : Once upon a time after a full day of fishing I tied on a olive wooly bugger, : turned around and cast down stream and let all of my line out in the current. :  The I started reeling, yes thats right reeling the line back in.  And guess : what.  The trout loved it. Hope I am not stipped of my rod and waders for : admitting this. heheh : Tom Anyone who would strip you of anything for catching fish on a particular fly is just a snob.  I have had lots of luck with wooly buggers as well as Royal Wulffs.  I think the Royal Wulff is a beautiful fly and is described by the original tyer Lee Wulff as a nice desert for fish…

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