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Or you can do the D.C. version where they close their eyes before they get in the truck.   Makes driving interesting, but they seem to make it.

Which gave rise to the joke: "How do you make a (insert ethnic group here) blind?   Put a windshield in front of ‘em." Joe F. (who wouldn’t be so politically incorrect as to suggest the retelling of ethnic jokes.)

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Fortunately I’m not at that point yet.  Just want to avoid the tedious walk to shore and the rigmarole involved in dropping the waders, etc.  (In addition to making a mint).

The technology already exists.  You would have to modify it of course. Orfice…err I mean Orvis makes a waterproof cuff on their jackets if I recall.  I imagine that could surely be modified for a schlong. Perhaps we should get ahold of Tarp Boy <g — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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The technology already exists.  You would have to modify it of course. Orfice…err I mean Orvis makes a waterproof cuff on their jackets if I recall.  I imagine that could surely be modified for a schlong. Perhaps we should get ahold of Tarp Boy <g

Right.  I’m going to trust the technology used to protect yupyup forearms. Besides, a cuff is meant to have something (the hand) outside it all the time.  Not exactly what I had in mind.  We need something that opens, dum-de-dum-de-dum, then closes watertight, *with* everything safe and cozy back inside.  There’s a fortune just waiting to be made here.   JR

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Right.  I’m going to trust the technology used to protect yupyup forearms. Besides, a cuff is meant to have something (the hand) outside it all the time.  Not exactly what I had in mind.  We need something that opens, dum-de-dum-de-dum, then closes watertight, *with* everything safe and cozy back inside.  There’s a fortune just waiting to be made here.

Well, using their dry cuff technology, you should be even to close it off small enough so that *your* pecker won’t hang out. — Warren Findley Shut up and fish! For Yellowstone Clave info: http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/YNP.html

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Yes, but strictly speaking, the only truly ethical method is blind (Kung Fu) fly fishing, where you keep your eyes tightly shut from the moment you stop the truck streamside until the time you start it again at the end of the day.

It’s still unethical if you drive with your eyes open. — Charlie…

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Or you can do the D.C. version where they close their eyes before they get in the truck.   Makes driving interesting, but they seem to make it.        Frank – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes, but strictly speaking, the only truly ethical method is blind (Kung Fu) fly fishing, where you keep your eyes tightly shut from the moment you stop the truck streamside until the time you start it again at the end of the day. JR

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Um, and you’re going to wear a pince-nez on a gear-zip and periodically place them in front of sunglasses?  Yeah, no chance of looking er, "odd" there…<G. Yes, well, who can account for personal tastes?  One man’s oddity is another’s charming eccentricity (helped along by a bit of wishful thinking).

No offense to you, MC, or his buddy, but if you hang a goose-neck magnifier from your vest, "charming eccentricity" will need all the help it can get… I think we may be not on the same page, so to speak.  This would simply be a single small rotating lens that would pivot into place when needed – I doubt it be all that noticeable, hardly "borg-like" (it wouldn’t look like some Cobra helicopter sight), and might even be considered modest, even minimalist, amongst the eyeglass modification bunch.   Actually, the more I thought about it after posting my reply, the more I wondered why I had originally dismissed the idea out of hand.  I know a jeweler in Corvallis and will ask him about suppliers.

And if he can’t, I suspect a ‘net search will turn up a bunch, but if not, let me know – the guy who takes care of my watches has one (this is what gave me the idea), and I’d guess he knows where to get ‘em. Hell, RW has 2 grand Tommy Porchflopper frames with HUD-ready EvianTech2000 biolenses and MC is acting like Erkel and using CNC gear and sneaking into the labs at BASF to redesign Dwayne Wayne’s flip-ups (hey, these 80’s sitcoms just popped into my head, and no, I can’t explain _that_, either.) Fishing in the stream of consciousness again, eh?

Oh, not just fishing – swimming, boating, skiing, and generally cavorting about – the water’s always the right temperature, and it’s always clear as crystal.  Even when it’s an elaborate set of circus animals, or the Roederer…. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -JR

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The technology already exists.  You would have to modify it of course. Orfice…err I mean Orvis makes a waterproof cuff on their jackets if I recall.  I imagine that could surely be modified for a schlong. Perhaps we should get ahold of Tarp Boy <g Right.  I’m going to trust the technology used to protect yupyup forearms. Besides, a cuff is meant to have something (the hand) outside it all the time.  Not exactly what I had in mind.  We need something that opens, dum-de-dum-de-dum, then closes watertight, *with* everything safe and cozy back inside.  There’s a fortune just waiting to be made here.   JR

Why not just use a "sea bag" type closure on a fly (a pant fly, not a fishing fly)?  Frankly, if you guys wouldn’t go out with enough crap loaded up and dangling off of you to make Batman jealous <G, the most you’d have to do is undo your suspenders and a belt.  I put my (lightly loaded) vest on last if I have higher-than-waist "water gear" and have _nothing_ not in a pocket – I can ditch it in about 3 seconds.  I just don’t find taking a wizz a big problem, but…. TC, R

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<SNIP  I  e-mailed a couple of angling colleagues, ( mainly because I could not remember which one uses the gear ) the first one sent me this; http://www.altrec.com/shop/detail/7823/14 He reckons it is the bees knees. This might be of interest to Wolfgang ! http://www.franeloptical.com/OPT150900N.html the firm has one or two other novelties which might  be of interest, for instance; http://www.franeloptical.com/Hands_Free_Mags.html http://www.franeloptical.com/FRASNALO.html ( This looks like the swan neck magnifier my other colleague uses). This might work OK as well. http://www.frankedmunds.thomasregister.com/olc/frankedmunds/5.jpg A couple more just for interest; http://www.ilp-online.com/html/ultraviewer.html http://www.modernseniors.com/Make_Life_Easier/AD-Hands_Free.htm http://www.lifewithease.com/magnifree.html http://www.e-sci.com/genSci/1/1002/1005/10361.html http://www.lifeplace.com/Catalog/products/H/hands_free_magnifier.asp TL MC

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<SNIP  I  e-mailed a couple of angling colleagues, ( mainly because I could not remember which one uses the gear ) the first one sent me this; http://www.altrec.com/shop/detail/7823/14

Thanks for this and the other links.  I knew about the Wood River magnifier.  I was hoping not to have yet another thing hanging around my neck, but I’ll check it out at my local fly shop and see if there’s a way to attach it to my chest pack. Ah!  Sometimes I think growing old was a mistake. JR

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You might like to look at this; http://www.hatta.com/wecmag.htm Hmmmmmmm! TL MC

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What about those watchmaker’s lenses that attach to the rim of the glasses-frame and rotate into position when needed?  Most I’ve seen have several rotating lenses, but I’d guess you could get or modify it for only one lens of the needed strength.  You might also talk to a surgeon’s supply house. See my reply to rw about not wanting to look any sillier than I absolutely have to.  

Um, and you’re going to wear a pince-nez on a gear-zip and periodically place them in front of sunglasses?  Yeah, no chance of looking er, "odd" there…<G.   Person would look like a damn fly fishing Borg.

I think we may be not on the same page, so to speak.  This would simply be a single small rotating lens that would pivot into place when needed – I doubt it be all that noticeable, hardly "borg-like" (it wouldn’t look like some Cobra helicopter sight), and might even be considered modest, even minimalist, amongst the eyeglass modification bunch.  Hell, RW has 2 grand Tommy Porchflopper frames with HUD-ready EvianTech2000 biolenses and MC is acting like Erkel and using CNC gear and sneaking into the labs at BASF to redesign Dwayne Wayne’s flip-ups (hey, these 80’s sitcoms just popped into my head, and no, I can’t explain _that_, either.) <G TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -JR

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What’s the silliest thing you ever saw another fly fisherman wear?   JR

 A cell phone….

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If you use a chest pack, then there is a magnifier available on a swan neck, which attaches to it. It simply folds away when not in use. Looks like the magnifiers sold for attaching to some tying vices. It may even attach to a vest. I have seen a guy using one of these, he also has a light on it, ( a very neat LED mini-lite),  I will ask him where he got it if you like?

Yes, if you would.  I wear a chest pack more often these days than I used to. Breathables will eventually be pass

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Al, I’ve been doing this for the last 3 years.  I use a pair of needle-nose pliers and just crimp the barb down.  In some cases, it actually cracks off.  I do it when I open the lure package and put the lure in my tackle box.  I’ve lost a couple of fish I might otherwise have landed but I fish mostly catch-and-release so it’s not a big deal. The only time I don’t do this is with live bait so the bait will stay on the hook.  Rumor has it that is why the barb was invented in the first place. Tom Kadlec I was reading that you can flatten the barb down (with forceps) on the waterside to achieve the same effect as a barbless hook. I’m trying to picture this and what they mean by waterside. The book says that if you maintain pressure on the fish you do not need the barb. It is easier to remove from the fish. Al

Tom Kadlec

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<snipped The book says that if you maintain pressure on the fish you do not need the barb. It is easier to remove from the fish. Al

Easier said than done.  :) I started de-barbing at the end of last season… just squash it down so it can’t catch on anything, I use pliers.  Back to the point… I’ve lost more fish than usual, but I get lazy about keeping the pressure on… gonna have to work on that now, I guess.  :) — – goat (Mark S’) www.goatlike.com – art & design

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Other point that are interesting is that if you use over size trebles you may cause unnecessary damage to to the fish, especially loose hooks outside the fish’s mouth, because they can fly around and catch the fish’s eye. You might say why care? I care because there is some opposition to fishing.  I have a close relative that at an early age was eager to fish but some how developed an adversion to fishing. It is important to have in your arsenal this knowledge to support this sport. I’m looking for a one step tool that can remove a hook or if i so choose cut the barb off. Ideally it would be like predator pliers with a cutting edge on it. Al

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I was reading that you can flatten the barb down (with forceps) on the waterside to achieve the same effect as a barbless hook. I’m trying to picture this and what they mean by waterside. The book says that if you maintain pressure on the fish you do not need the barb. It is easier to remove from the fish. Al

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Jajwuth writes I was reading that you can flatten the barb down (with forceps) on the waterside to achieve the same effect as a barbless hook. I’m trying to picture this and what they mean by waterside

Just crimp the barb down with pliers or whatever so the barb’s point is against the hook’s bend. I assume by "waterside" they mean you can do it while you’re out fishing, no advance work needed. . It is easier to remove from the fish. Easier to remove from the fisherman too.

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Here in Missouri we use a fly called a "mullberry" made to loof like rotting/floating mulberries, which carp eat. Don’t ask me how to make them, I just buy them. At the right time of year at local lakes and ponds carp can be great fun.

Never made a mulberry fly, but I’ve eaten millions of the berries.  I imagine some coarse purple chenille or yarn wound around a hook to about 3/4" length and 1/2" or so diameter would do just fine.

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"Round and round the mulberry bush. like a teddy bear,  one step two steps, watch out for that crap there " Modification of an old  childrens rhyme, which seemed to fit some of the present threads, and my mood ! By the way, "millions of the berries", assuming a weight of a third of an ounce per berry and two million berries = 41,666 lbs. of berries or 18,94 metric Tonnes  ! Personally I think that would give me the shits !

Third of an ounce per berry is a gross over-estimation.  It’s probably a lot closer to thirty per ounce.  On the other hand, a half pound or so WILL give you the shits…….well, it has me anyway; many times.  Some things are worth the price though.                   p.s.  Aside from the distaste some might have for using bait, the naturals are simply much too good to waste on carp; no one can can truly say that he or she has lived a full life before sampling a well made mulberry pie!

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"Round and round the mulberry bush. like a teddy bear,  one step two steps, watch out for that crap there " Modification of an old  childrens rhyme, which seemed to fit some of the present threads, and my mood ! By the way, "millions of the berries", assuming a weight of a third of an ounce per berry and two million berries = 41,666 lbs. of berries or 18,94 metric Tonnes  ! Personally I think that would give me the shits ! TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Ok guys, stay on topic, it’s "CARP" not "CRAP" <Gjim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Round and round the mulberry bush. like a teddy bear,  one step two steps, watch out for that crap there " Modification of an old  childrens rhyme, which seemed to fit some of the present threads, and my mood ! By the way, "millions of the berries", assuming a weight of a third of an ounce per berry and two million berries = 41,666 lbs. of berries or 18,94 metric Tonnes  ! Personally I think that would give me the shits ! Third of an ounce per berry is a gross over-estimation.  It’s probably a lot closer to thirty per ounce.  On the other hand, a half pound or so WILL give you the shits…….well, it has me anyway; many times.  Some things are worth the price though.                   p.s.  Aside from the distaste some might have for using bait, the naturals are simply much too good to waste on carp; no one can can truly say that he or she has lived a full life before sampling a well made mulberry pie!

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I usually fish yarn more than anything else. I’ve had suckers in a river so thick that they are bumpin into your waders, and you cannot even make a drift without snagging or picking up a sucker. Thats when I head to the white water. The steelhead like that heavy water, and the suckers usually will fall back in the slack water.       Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Suckers, the ones with a "down-turned sucker mouth" will readily take a nymph. Much to my surprise, I caught one in brook trout water fishing a big stonefly nymph.  That sucker (pun intended) took off on a great run through a big pool. I thought I had a good size brookie on until I got it in closer.  Must have weighed about 5 pounds.   A couple of friends saw me from a distance and later asked me how big was "that brookie".  I said it was a 4 pounder.  <g Dave LaCourse Don’t laugh but I’ve caught suckers on streamers.  There’s one heavy chute on the Credit that’s tough to fish using regular streamer methods.  I’d dead drift streamers like nymphs using a sinktip and some weight for the steelhead that like to sit on the bottom.  Every now and again, I’d feel a pull rather than a strike, set the hook and up would come one pissed off sucker.  These weren’t foul hookups, the suckers were taking the streamers.  I figure that it was one of two thinks, the suckers were acting territorial or that they feed on dead, drifting minnows.  Hooked up about five suckers but never did get a steelie that day. Peter

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We were fishing right on the bottom, so I don’t know if the carp actually took the fly or if it was nestled in the aquatic vegetation upon which he was a munch’n.

I have landed several here in farm/subdivision ponds and at Callaway Gardens here in west Georgia. All of my fish have taken topwater deer-hair flys – I think they look like grass to them.  The approach & presentation must be very stealthy – grass carp are very spooky when feeding on top. Here’s on of them – http://kje.home.mindspring.com/grass_carp.htm

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I have landed several here in farm/subdivision ponds and at Callaway Gardens here in west Georgia. All of my fish have taken topwater deer-hair flys – I think they look like grass to them.  The approach & presentation must be very stealthy – grass carp are very spooky when feeding on top. Here’s on of them – http://kje.home.mindspring.com/grass_carp.htm

That’s a great looking fish, Kent. Aren’t those big scales fabulous? Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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I have landed several here in farm/subdivision ponds http://kje.home.mindspring.com/grass_carp.htm

I bet landing that sucker was a blast.  How does a small farm/subdivision "pond" support several fish of that size? I have to assume that once they devour all the grass, fry are next on their menu…. do these ponds have any other fish left in them? jim

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Though I’ve never caught one, the "Carp on a Fly" book claims that grass carp, although known for eating plants, will readily eat other food, insects, nymphs, and whatever. They actually have less of a down-turned "sucker" mouth than normal carp, and thus can take live prey more easily (I assume).

Last week, I had one take a generic black wooly bugger just under the surface, sight casted to him just after sunset as they began rolling up on the surface.  Awesome fight for a 3-4lb fish in a restricted, snag-free channel.

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Jon Cook writes: Though I’ve never caught one, the "Carp on a Fly" book claims that grass carp, although known for eating plants, will readily eat other food, insects, nymphs, and whatever. They actually have less of a down-turned "sucker" mouth than normal carp, and thus can take live prey more easily (I assume).

Suckers, the ones with a "down-turned sucker mouth" will readily take a nymph. Much to my surprise, I caught one in brook trout water fishing a big stonefly nymph.  That sucker (pun intended) took off on a great run through a big pool. I thought I had a good size brookie on until I got it in closer.  Must have weighed about 5 pounds.   A couple of friends saw me from a distance and later asked me how big was "that brookie".  I said it was a 4 pounder.  <g Dave LaCourse

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Here in Missouri we use a fly called a "mullberry" made to loof like rotting/floating mulberries, which carp eat. Don’t ask me how to make them, I just buy them. At the right time of year at local lakes and ponds carp can be great fun.

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Suckers, the ones with a "down-turned sucker mouth" will readily take a nymph. Much to my surprise, I caught one in brook trout water fishing a big stonefly nymph.  That sucker (pun intended) took off on a great run through a big pool. I thought I had a good size brookie on until I got it in closer.  Must have weighed about 5 pounds.   A couple of friends saw me from a distance and later asked me how big was "that brookie".  I said it was a 4 pounder.  <g Dave LaCourse

Don’t laugh but I’ve caught suckers on streamers.  There’s one heavy chute on the Credit that’s tough to fish using regular streamer methods.  I’d dead drift streamers like nymphs using a sinktip and some weight for the steelhead that like to sit on the bottom.  Every now and again, I’d feel a pull rather than a strike, set the hook and up would come one pissed off sucker.  These weren’t foul hookups, the suckers were taking the streamers.  I figure that it was one of two thinks, the suckers were acting territorial or that they feed on dead, drifting minnows.  Hooked up about five suckers but never did get a steelie that day. Peter

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Two years ago the DNR stocked my local fishing hole with grass eating carp in an effort to control the grass/hydrilla. That’s another story…. Wednesday I planned to fish after work and talked my fishing buddy into joining me. He did not have anything with him so he would use one of my rods (Sage 5wt). We hit the water about 3 PM and the fishing was great, in about two hours we had hooked about 100 gills and crappie. Then he set the hook into what turned out to be about a 20 LB carp (my guess). I have been told by DNR that these damn things eat 6 times their body weight each day and grow like hell. I swear the thing was 3 feet long, I don’t remember ever catching a carp and had no idea what they fought like. It did not make any big runs, just short spurts and then unbelievable jumps like a salmon or trout. It made one run directly under the boat and jumped on the other side, at this point his rod (my Sage) was half submerged and bent under the boat, all I could do was yell "Let it run and damn it, don’t break my rod". It made one more beautiful jump and straightened the hook. He was using 4LB tippet with a #12 wooly. Ugly fish but a sight to see. We were fishing right on the bottom, so I don’t know if the carp actually took the fly or if it was nestled in the aquatic vegetation upon which he was a munch’n. Gawd, those leaps were spectacular jim

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I usually take two to three guided trips each year and have been doing this now for the past 8 years.  The great majority of the time the guides I’ve used have been good companions, wonderful teachers, more than willing to share their knowledge of the local fishing, and in general more than worth the money I’ve spent. I believe however that much of that experience has been what I brought to the table.  I never count fish, try hard to listen to suggestions and instruction, don’t try to be an expert when in fact my enthusiasm far outweighs any talent I have, treat the guide with respect, and tip well, even when I’ve been totally skunked.  As I diabetic I have dietary restrictions and I’ve had guides drive 40 miles out of their way to be sure I could get a lunch that met those needs.  On the other hand I do remember sharing one trip with a stranger who seemed to expect at least 6 fish over 24", gourmet streamside meals, and treated the guide as if he were some hired servant for the day.  Needless to say he was not treated well. Guides are people.  Some are real jerks and I’ve dumped one by 10:00 a.m. when I unfortunately ran into him.  But most are genuinely interested in seeing their clients have a great day and learn something new.  It has been my experience that nearly all respond in kind when you treat them with respect, humor, and honesty.  Also, I’ve learned the shop is VERY interested in the clients having a great time.  The flyfishing community is fairly small and most of the shop owners know each other.  I generally use my home shop for recommendations and the folks at my destination know I’ll be going home and reporting back on how I was treated.  One bad report can mean at lot of lost recommendations. I have one shop that I’ve been back to three times, Mountain Anglers in Breckenridge, CO.  The last time I was there I was treated like a long lost friend, shared drinks and dinners with several of the guides, and generally made to feel like "one of the gang".  Jackson Streit and his group rank at t he very top in my book and I wouldn’t hesitate to send anyone their way. But with the strong recommendation that you go prepared to do your part. Just my $.02… Don — Don Anderson

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I think this is generally true in every perfection.  I know that as a performer, the better the audience is the better the show they will get.  It’s unintentional but true.  I receive energy from the audience and I’m more concerned with minute nuances of my performance when the audience is appreciative.  I think guides are the same. — Vern Before you buy.

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That should be "profession" not "perfection."  Oops, I did it again. Vern I think this is generally true in every perfection.  I know that as a performer, the better the audience is the better the show they will get.  It’s unintentional but true.  I receive energy from the audience and I’m more concerned with minute nuances of my performance when the audience is appreciative.  I think guides are the same. — Vern Before you buy.

Before you buy.

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I need some help finding information on spin fishing in Wyoming (Yellowstone area).  All the books and sites that I visit are for fly fishing.  If anyone has some information on this subject I would appreciate it.

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Don’t be intimidated.  Tiny 1/8 to 1/16 ounce spoons in brass, silver, and copper will take all trout in all rivers (and all but the biggest lakes) in Wyoming.   Check the regulations, however.  Sometimes, when it says "…single hook artificial only…" you think it means fly fishing only.  If tiey mean fly only, they will say so. Try to use bait anywhere, and you will probably be shot, burried, and your car pushed into a canyon. Fishing in the park isn’t much good, and the crowds are horrible.  Try the Shoshone River just west of Cody, or the Green, north of Pinedale.  Few tourists fish either place. good luck oz

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I lived in West Yellowstone( west enterance to Yellowstone. There are several rivers west of the park that are great for spin fishing. Also there is a lake naned Quake lake that has BIG trout. Henry’s lake is also great.  There are lots of beaver ponds. the choises are there.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you.  A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow.  I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27.  So everone in town heard about my "27 in." fish.  There’s even a plack on the wall of the Sisters Fly Shop with my name and the data on the fish.  Arrgh!  Oh well….

Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.   TimW

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Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.

Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

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Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

Howabout, "All fishermen are liars, except you and me….. And, I’m not too sure about you." Charley

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you.  A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow.  I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27.  So everone in town heard Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.   TimW

Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton

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Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. Reminds me of one: "Fishing is a delusion completely surrounded by liars in old clothes"–Don Marquis

That’s pretty good!  I like my "state of delusion"! -Burton

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you.  A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow.  I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27.  So everone in town heard Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway. TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us.

Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall.   Therefore they must exist, right… TimW

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  Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the fish was 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.   TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton

The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike

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Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall.   Therefore they must exist, right… TimW

Sure, sure!  Sort of like a jackalope, huh! Burton

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Burton, go ahead and lie man.  You’re an angler.  If you told me the 27, I’d (being an angler) adjust it down anyway, I’d probably assume that by "27 inch rainbow" you really mean "12 inch whitefish", anyway.   TimW Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Burton The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike

Hi Mike, Just to help your imagination, she had more dark spots on her olive back than I have ever seen on a fish before.  And the bright band of scarlet running down her side must have been an inch and half wide.  Her gill plates bright scarlet all over and even the pectoral and anal fins were red.  A great example of spawning colors.  The fish took a #14 tan-olive scud.  When I saw that yaw as she took the fly, I thought I was going to faint. -Burton

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You know, the apron-ruler on my JW tube begins with a ‘1′ on the very first mark.  I don’t even need to lie, usually. Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The voyuer in me wants to see it on alt.binaries.pictures.fishning but my ISP is slow on the switch so I’ll have to use my imagination! Mike Hi Mike, Just to help your imagination, she had more dark spots on her olive back than I have ever seen on a fish before.  And the bright band of scarlet running down her side must have been an inch and half wide.  Her gill plates bright scarlet all over and even the pectoral and anal fins were red.  A great example of spawning colors.  The fish took a #14 tan-olive scud.  When I saw that yaw as she took the fly, I thought I was going to faint. -Burton

Hell, I almost fainted when you got to the pectoral and anal fins.  WHEW, gotta get out more.   Thanks for the cheap thrill!  : Mike

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fortunately I have a couple of nice photos of the two of us. Well then post ‘em in alt.binaries.pictures.fishin !!!!! Course, you coulda used that ’stretch’ tool in PhotoShop !!! Hell, I have a picture of a fur-bearing trout on the wall. Therefore they must exist, right… TimW Sure, sure!  Sort of like a jackalope, huh!

I’ve got one of those on the wall too.   Nice 6 point buck. TimW

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You know, the apron-ruler on my JW tube begins with a ‘1′ on the very first mark.  I don’t even need to lie, usually.

Oh…, that’s really good!  An automatic liar built in.  I had better go check my Buck’s Bag.  ;-) -Burton

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====== Sure, sure!  Sort of like a jackalope, huh! I’ve got one of those on the wall too.   TimW

Whoa, you are too cool dude!! -Burton

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Howabout, "All fishermen are liars, except you and me….. And, I’m not too sure about you."

Or one of my recent favorites (paraphrasing at this point), "The only doubt cast upon the miracles of Jesus is that they were all witnessed by fishermen." I don’t know why, but that really cracks me up… "I swear to you, it was wine, man. I was there!!!" Ross Wilson (no email at the moment)

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

Hi Great though! — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

I’ve long supported catch & release management of our fisheries. Most of the fish I catch are simply too heavy to carry anyway.                                                        __ john quill taylor                                     / / writer at large                                      / /   Hewlett-Packard, Storage Systems Division    __     /_/ / Boise, Idaho U.S.A.                         /_/  __ _ Telephone: (208) 396-2328 (MST = GMT – 7)     /  \  / Snail Mail: Hewlett-Packard                    / \             11413 Chinden Blvd                 \             Boise, Idaho 83714                   _/             Mailstop 852                            _/                                                   _/       "When in doubt, do as doubters do." – jqt –                   china, haiti, rwanda, cuba, bosnia, … we have a list,              where is our schindler?

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie.

…but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW

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God, don’t let me fuck up. (yours truly, when playing a 20" brown in the Firehole last July.) -AR

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Lord, suffer me to catch a fish so big that even I, in the telling of it, will not be able to lie. …but give me the strength to lie anyway. TimW

Yeah, ’cause if you don’t someone else will do it for you.  A few year back I landed a beautiful "27 inch" rainbow.  I felt like it was 25 in. but my fishing partner was convinced it was 27.  So everone in town heard about my "27 in." fish.  There’s even a plack on the wall of the Sisters Fly Shop with my name and the data on the fish.  Arrgh!  Oh well…. -Burton

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I am going to Anchorage on business on Sep 25-26 and would like to know whether there is any possibility of flyfishing nearby on Saturday the 27th. I can’t stay long so the fishing has to be accessible. Any ideas about what I might be able to find? If so what gear should I bring? Thanks in advance, Mike —                      Michael S. Young The RREEF Funds, 650 California Street, San Francisco, CA 94108           "Chaos is normal; normality is exceptional."

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I am going to Anchorage on business on Sep 25-26 and would like to know whether there is any possibility of flyfishing nearby on Saturday the 27th. I can’t stay long so the fishing has to be accessible. Any ideas about what I might be able to find? If so what gear should I bring? Thanks in advance, Mike —                     Michael S. Young The RREEF Funds, 650 California Street, San Francisco, CA 94108          "Chaos is normal; normality is exceptional."

That’s pretty late in the season, but if the weather holds ther is some dynamite fishing on the upper Kenai River 100 miles south of Anchorage. I’ve caught some BIG rainbows around then, but it’ll be cold and you’ll probably be breaking ice out of your guides. 7 or 8 wt are the right size. You might tie into a silver and tehre are always dollies around. A float trip is about the only good way to fish it. It can easily be an afternoon trip. For conditions and guide recommendations call McAffee’s Fly Shop in Anchorage – sorry don’t have the number where I can lay hands on it. Lance    web stuff at: www.primenet.com/~hankins

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am going to Anchorage on business on Sep 25-26 and would like to know whether there is any possibility of flyfishing nearby on Saturday the 27th. I can’t stay long so the fishing has to be accessible. Any ideas about what I might be able to find? If so what gear should I bring? Thanks in advance, Mike —                     Michael S. Young The RREEF Funds, 650 California Street, San Francisco, CA 94108          "Chaos is normal; normality is exceptional." That’s pretty late in the season, but if the weather holds ther is some dynamite fishing on the upper Kenai River 100 miles south of Anchorage. I’ve caught some BIG rainbows around then, but it’ll be cold and you’ll probably be breaking ice out of your guides. 7 or 8 wt are the right size. You might tie into a silver and tehre are always dollies around. A float trip is about the only good way to fish it. It can easily be an afternoon trip. For conditions and guide recommendations call McAffee’s Fly Shop in Anchorage – sorry don’t have the number where I can lay hands on it. Lance    web stuff at: www.primenet.com/~hankins

Should not realy be that cold in late September…and the upper Kenai is a good bet as is the Russian River if you walk upstream of the campgrounds. These are both a 2-2.5 hour drive south of Anchorage. Give me a call when you get to the state, if I’m not on a trip I’d be happy to hook up with you and show you around. Paul Hansen Alaska Rainbow Adventures http://puffin.ptialaska.net/~icewater Paul Hansen

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[snip snip] in the other direction. The Blue is good as is the Frying pan but the smaller and less fished rivers and creeks of N. Co. are a true joy. The fish may not be as big but the crowds are not there and the experience is

[snip snip] they won’t be for long if this keeps up… Tim Walker

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I am going to Colorado next summer to fly fish.  Since I will be driving from West Virginia, I would prefer not to go more than 2 hours from Denver. I need advice as to the best streams to fish and possibly places to stay. I would prefer a cabin or cottage.  What about the South Platte, Fryingpan, Colorado, and Blue River? Which would be the best choice? Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for you time. Scott

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There are many good places within 2 hrs of Denver. The S.Platte is over fished and crowed with very inconsiderate fishermen. I would suggest going in the other direction. The Blue is good as is the Frying pan but the smaller and less fished rivers and creeks of N. Co. are a true joy. The fish may not be as big but the crowds are not there and the experience is much better. Pristene settings, little or no trash. Check out the high mountain lakes and streams of the RMNP. Estes Park Anglers can help with guides and places to stay in the area.

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I try and visit my some of my kids in Colo every summer.  But as you know even in late August the So Platte at Deckers was unfishable and the Arkansas as well.  But maybe this summer will be normal…. South Platte River in Deckers.  Take Rt 285 west out of Denver.  Turn Left at Pine Junction.  Follow to the bottom the the canyon.  Use 2 flies, RS-2 and Buckskin (both nymphs) size 18 or 20.  No larger than a 6X leader is mandatory.  Use a small floating strike indicator and place a very small shot about 6 to 8 inches from the fly.  The idea is to keep the nymph just off the bottom so adjusting the indicator for water depth is essential.  Fish places where slow water meets fast water like behind larger rocks.  The fish are there so make sure you work the section very well adjusting the indicator for depth.  Looking for flashing fish near the bottom that are feeding.  Flip the rig up stream and let the indicator float as naturally as possible.  Keep repeating until the indicator hesitates the slightest in the float.  Just raise up you rod tip and bingo! there’s a fish on.   If you use this method correctly you will get hook ups (gauranteed!!) the trick is to bring them to net on a 6X leader in fast water.  The regulations are flies and lures only, 2 fish per day over 16 inches.  Try just down stream from the trestle bridge at Deckers.  The technique is effective on all Colo streams.  The "Flies and Lies" fly shop in Deckers can also help in supplying you with flies. On a Saturday, you will not be alone.  But there are so many fish and so few fisherman that know the method and use it effectively , it has never gotten in my way.  I’d recommend getting there at 1st light (Say 5:30) fish unitl 1000 AM and then leave.  Return at say 6 Pm and fish until dark (9 PM).  I’ve found you can avoid a crowd this way.                                                indicator                                                                                                                                  micro shot                        (e.g. lil corkie) In the current, looks like this flow is right to left                                                                                !                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 !                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 ! I’d also suggest Tarryall Resevoir, over Kenosha Pass (RT 285 west and turn left at Jefferson) in south park.  Wade fish from shore with damsel fly/dragon fly/sonefly nymphs twitched just below the surface (long leader, 10′).  You can cast to feeding fish.  Fish the side that has the paved road frontage toward the dam (in between the stone jettys).  There is very good dry fly activity there after the sun goes down (say 7pm) and dark. (Native browns, stocked rainbows (12-14") and even some cutthroat and kokanee).  Tarryall creek (not subject to runoff) downstream from the resevoir is also pretty good (this section is now part of a private club). We have had great success on the Arkansas River down stream from Salida.  Good success fishing for Browns on brown stone fly nymphs fished close shore.  Best technique is walk down the middle and fish both shore lines.  The other 2 flies that have been good to us are the muddler minnow and the Renegade.  This stretch has the same regulations as the Deckers section of the So. Platte.  The signs this summer indicated it is now Public Lands all the way down to the bridge in Wellsville. Keep in touch, maybe we can "hook up" when I am out there this summer (I hope). Good fishin!!! Bill Althoff

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That’s true. Starting with the RPL+ rods, at least that’s what my flyshop guys said. Gerhard

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"Sage rods, reels and blanks carry an unconditional, original-owner guarantee. Regardless of cause, Sage will promptly repair or replace any rod, reel or blank that is defective or damaged free of charge. In addition, we promise to give you the best service and repair in the industry and we will return ship your rod, reel or blank within 7 working days" That is right off of the back cover of the 1996 Sage catalog. The same warranty also applies to Lamson reels. Clay

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Summary: Sage Unconditional Lifetime Warrenty?  A tackle shop guy told me that next year Sage rods will have an unconditional lifetime warrenty. So if your dog chews up the Sage years from now Sage will fix or replace it free with no questions asked. Can anyone confirm or deny this statement? -regards Wayne V Ohh.. the tackle guy also stated the price will be increasing 7%.

Wayne, your source was correct.  The rods will have an unconditional warranty.  Prices are going up and they have a new series of rods the Rpl +.  They look really good.  We have found that they cast better with more control than the Rpl’s.  The Rpl 4 pieces have been dropped so if you want one better grab it now. Ken

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That’s true. Starting with the RPL+ rods, at least that’s what my flyshop guys said. Gerhard

I’ve also heard the warranty applies to blanks as well. Very good news. Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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(SNIP) That is right off of the back cover of the 1996 Sage catalog. The same warranty also applies to Lamson reels.

Which are now owned by Sage, right? Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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   The "lifetime replacement guarantee" on the label doesn’t tell the whole story. Most manufacturer’s will replace a broken rod for relatively little money.    We break many rods in our flyfishing classes. For fun we sent back a broken rod each to SAGE, LOOMIS, FENWICK, WINSTON and SCOTT. We used a friends letterhead and return address so the companies wouldn’t have incentive to treat us any better than their regular rod repair/replacement.    SAGE: We sent the rod in on Monday and had a new one on Thursday (Blue Label UPS). We have broken several Sage rods, and all of them have been replaced within a week. Incredible service like this should be rewarded.    LOOMIS: They sent us reciept of our broken rod and had us verify shipping address. Total turn around was 8 working days and cost was $30.00 for a new tip.    FENWICK: They sent us a new rod in three weeks but it was the wrong rod. We called them and they arranged for us to pick up a new one off a local dealer’s shelf.    WINSTON: This was the only rod sent with a defect (The internal ferrule fell out). They took 6 weeks to repair the rod then charged us $30.00. We made a complaint on plain stationary and they stood by their charge. We made a second complaint on our flyfishing school letterhead and they not only reversed the charge but sent us a couple of hats.    SCOTT: It took 5 months and two phone calls to get the rod back. I hate to say this because I love Scott rods and am good friends with many of their staff. Tight lines, Ralph Cutter —

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  A tackle shop guy told me that next year Sage rods will have an  unconditional lifetime warrenty. So if your dog chews up the Sage  years from now Sage will fix or replace it free with no questions  asked.  Can anyone confirm or deny this statement?  -regards  Wayne V  Ohh.. the tackle guy also stated the price will be increasing 7%.

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Last year was my first ordering from the Bass Pond, and I have sung their praises in this forum along with several of you out there.  I’m wondering if we have to order a new catalog each year or do they mail out new catalogs to people on their mailing list?  When is the new catalog due to be out? Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler

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Paul, I received my catolog last Tuesday. Great cover! Talked to Doug earlier in the week and he said that they were all mailed of and now is up to the PO. From the Float Tube of Elmer Meiler Somewhere on the Pond of OZ

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Where do you order Bass Pond? Thanks. Dan Harris

Call 1-800-327-5014 "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

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