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As an "old school" fly fisher and UseNet user ( since 1995 ) I try to follow one simple rule. Leave any environment I use, as good, preferably, better than I found it. Thus I pick up litter, maybe help TU install a stream structure. I doubt that I’d find many here that would admit to doing otherwise onstream, i.e. intentionally degrading the fishing landscape. But, I’d like to suggest that THIS news group is part of your intellectual environment, and indeed, a part of your fishing one. Possibly, before pushing "send," a look around to see if your visit is improving the landscape, or intentionally degrading it, would make sense? —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<snip Possibly, before pushing "send," a look around to see if your visit is improving the landscape, or intentionally degrading it, would make sense?

I don’t see how this post improves my landscape. Quit shitting on my lawn. — HTH, Tim

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As an "old school" fly fisher and UseNet user ( since 1995 ) I try to follow one simple rule. Leave any environment I use, as good, preferably, better than I found it. Thus I pick up litter, maybe help TU install a stream structure. I doubt that I’d find many here that would admit to doing otherwise onstream, i.e. intentionally degrading the fishing landscape. But, I’d like to suggest that THIS news group is part of your intellectual environment, and indeed, a part of your fishing one. Possibly, before pushing "send," a look around to see if your visit is improving the landscape, or intentionally degrading it, would make sense?

As one of the worst OT offenders I suppose I’m honour bound to disagree.  Somebody used the pub analogy to describe ROFF, much better than your streamside one.  We are brought here by a love of fly fishing but once here, we are not bound by it. As far as the cross-posting trolls are concerned, that’s why the Lord made kill filters. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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no problem, I’m gone  …. enjoy whatever satisfaction you get from behaving so childishly there are lots of things I don’t understand, cyber-hate and bad manners is one of them,  but I can live without the understanding tight lines —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<snip Possibly, before pushing "send," a look around to see if your visit is improving the landscape, or intentionally degrading it, would make sense? I don’t see how this post improves my landscape. Quit shitting on my lawn.

Uh, oh. I forgot the smiley. :-X Honestly, Larry, this group has been pretty much the same for the past year or so I’ve been watching and posting. All of the regular posters give valuable input – to someone. Also, this group is entertainment for many *because* of its anarchy. I have enjoyed the past few days of discussion between Peter and Richard regarding economics, but I’m sure some others may have been put off by the same. "One man’s poison. . . " — TL, Tim

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Looks like the environment just got MUCH better! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – no problem, I’m gone

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I just love advice from an anonymous poster.  The "old school" that I belong to use their names. Dave

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I just love advice from an anonymous poster.  The "old school" that I belong to use their names.

which he doesn’t subscribe. I do feel badly that I forgot the smiley, though. Before I started posting anything here, I lurked for several months and decided I had thick enough skin to dive in. If one assholish post from me was enough to drive him off, he’d better just be glad he didn’t get Wolfgang or Ken.  :)) — TL, Tim

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As one of the worst OT offenders I suppose I’m honour bound to disagree.  Somebody used the pub analogy to describe ROFF, much better than your streamside one.  We are brought here by a love of fly fishing but once here, we are not bound by it.

Although Larry’s sentiment is noble, I gotta go with Peter on this.   Not only is the pub analogy apropos, but it also extends to ffing itself, at least the way I do it.   When I hit the rivers, I’m not there just to fish; but also to smoke some fine cigars, drink some good whisky, take a few pictures, watch the birds, shoot the shit with my fishing buddy, and maybe learn a thing or two.   Fly fishing is only the baseline. The only other fault I’d find with the suggestion is that those who are inclined to behave civilly already do so, and chronic sociopaths will not likely be swayed by another chorous of Cumbayah. Joe F.

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[snip] As far as the cross-posting trolls are concerned, that’s why the Lord made kill filters.

You must be using IE

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As one of the worst OT offenders I suppose I’m honour bound to disagree.  Somebody used the pub analogy to describe ROFF, much better than your streamside one.  We are brought here by a love of fly fishing but once here, we are not bound by it. Although Larry’s sentiment is noble, I gotta go with Peter on this.

<snip IMO, I have the feeling the sentiment was not noble, but an effort to stir the pot. When tracing the IP address from Larry’s posts, the trace goes through the normal hops and then bounces back and forth between two servers indefinitely. Maybe this is normal in some circumstances, but I’ve not seen it before. Can anyone from geekdom shed some light? — TL, Tim

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IMO, I have the feeling the sentiment was not noble, but an effort to stir the pot.

Could be, I suppose.   I initially assumed that "Larry" was Dub’s owner, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. Joe (geekly deficient) F.

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….those who are inclined to behave civilly already do so, and chronic sociopaths will not likely be swayed by another chorous of Cumbayah. Joe F.

Oh, I don’t know about that…..sing it for me one more time.     Wolfgang c’mon….let’s all hold hands this time!

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[snip] As far as the cross-posting trolls are concerned, that’s why the Lord made kill filters. You must be using IE

Hmm….You probably meant OE… And Peter’s using Agent. /daytripper (An old version at that. Time to update, Peter, we’re up to 1.92!)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] As far as the cross-posting trolls are concerned, that’s why the Lord made kill filters. You must be using IE Hmm….You probably meant OE… And Peter’s using Agent. /daytripper (An old version at that. Time to update, Peter, we’re up to 1.92!)

(nasal whine mode on) But I like my Agent the way it is. Do I have to huh, huh? (nasal whine mode off) (bad things always happen when I get updated) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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And all sing along Wolfie you start i follow.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] As far as the cross-posting trolls are concerned, that’s why the Lord made kill filters. You must be using IE Hmm….You probably meant OE… And Peter’s using Agent. /daytripper (An old version at that. Time to update, Peter, we’re up to 1.92!) (nasal whine mode on) But I like my Agent the way it is. Do I have to huh, huh? (nasal whine mode off) (bad things always happen when I get updated)

Going from 1.8-something to the current version was painless, Peter. No worries… /daytripper (Two words to the paranoid: "Drive Image".

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says… <snip TL MC ( asking for a friend!).

Any Dick or Willie will do? Running & ducking, Herman

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had been getting spammed with about 65-75 junk emails per day.  I tried to unsubscribe from their lists but that seemed to only waste my time and increase the amount of spam.  So this week I have been using the program called "MailWasher."  Download it from CNET or mailwasher.net.  It is free, you can check the headers on your email server before downloading it, and you can mark emails to be bounced back to the sender. Clicking the Bounce box on a message sends a fake "address not found" message to the address that the message originated from. This reduces the possibility of more spam e-mail coming from this address.  I am down to about 10-15 spams per day.

Thanks, Dave. I downloaded this and have it in place. Remarkably easy to install and use. Almost as soon as I was done, I received mail from a spammer. Tim c’mon, spam me NOW sukkas

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Anybody else being spammed per e-mail with this? You have been selected to receive this email because of your interest in fly tying or fly fishing.  Flytiers.com is one of the most extensive online stores  ( Rest snipped). Just wondering. TL MC

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody else being spammed per e-mail with this? You have been selected to receive this email because of your interest in fly tying or fly fishing.  Flytiers.com is one of the most extensive online stores  ( Rest snipped). Just wondering. TL MC Got it! Makes You feel like one of the chosen few, doesn

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I’ve got a question about trying again after the end of a 25-year marriage. (I’m a 54-year-old male dumpee).  Naturally, I plan to use the usual methods to try and find someone to share my life with, but in this day of the internet, I thought I might try something additional, and I wanted to find out what y’all thought. I have no desire to "put on a front".  I think it would be only fair to let a possible partner find out all necessary information about me, with a minimum of effort or embarrassment for all concerned. So my idea was to set up a web page, with my personal details, and if I meet someone who seems to have possibilities, direct them to the site, so they can find out all relevant information.  This way, if I’m not the type they are looking for, it would save time for all concerned. Now the idea of the web page is not to attract possible partners, as I would have no desire or expectation that a random ’surfer’ would happen upon it. The idea again is to point someone I have already met to look at the page. While surfing, I found that I apparently was not the first to come up with this idea, as I have seen pages that seem to be of this type, so the question is: Is this a good idea? Now, after the reception of my "A mountain out of molehill" post, I suppose it might be a good idea to leave out that minor detail, and fill in a possible candidate when the time seems ripe, but other that that, do you think that the idea of a web page is ridiculous , or does it have merit. Any ideas are welcome. Thank you, Simcha Gomez  (a pseudonym)

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Personally I think that life has gotten all too impersonal. It is entirely up to you how you feel about trying something like that. But true Love if there really is such a thing I am not sure you will find it that way. You may find a lot of Golddiggers if you aren’t careful, And careful is what you want to be on the internet. Can’t you go to local coffee shops or take up a new hobby and try to meet people that way? I am certainly not going to recommend a Bar or club. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got a question about trying again after the end of a 25-year marriage. (I’m a 54-year-old male dumpee).  Naturally, I plan to use the usual methods to try and find someone to share my life with, but in this day of the internet, I thought I might try something additional, and I wanted to find out what y’all thought. I have no desire to "put on a front".  I think it would be only fair to let a possible partner find out all necessary information about me, with a minimum of effort or embarrassment for all concerned. So my idea was to set up a web page, with my personal details, and if I meet someone who seems to have possibilities, direct them to the site, so they can find out all relevant information.  This way, if I’m not the type they are looking for, it would save time for all concerned. Now the idea of the web page is not to attract possible partners, as I would have no desire or expectation that a random ’surfer’ would happen upon it. The idea again is to point someone I have already met to look at the page. While surfing, I found that I apparently was not the first to come up with this idea, as I have seen pages that seem to be of this type, so the question is: Is this a good idea? Now, after the reception of my "A mountain out of molehill" post, I suppose it might be a good idea to leave out that minor detail, and fill in a possible candidate when the time seems ripe, but other that that, do you think that the idea of a web page is ridiculous , or does it have merit. Any ideas are welcome. Thank you, Simcha Gomez  (a pseudonym)

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Yes, I think that would be a good idea, although I would be kind of leary .  I suppose if you write back and forth for a long time and send pictures it would be o.k.   Maybe the web page would give some credibility to you also, for people would be aware of what you like to do for hobbies and pictures of your family would make that person comfortable in writing you.    Oh sure go do it! )

I think it seems like a good idea, too.  But then, I’m a guy, so what do I know about what women want. It just seems like a really thorough personals ad to me.  Instead of "DWM who likes fly-fishing and Harleys seeking beautiful woman with similar interests" he could add his URL.  This way they would be able to find out that he likes fly-fishing in central Oregon and restoring antique Harley engines, as well as his height, weight, a picture, some of his favorite books, and CDs. It seems like it would really save time in weeding out the women who are looking for a rich Adonis.  I would rather be up front with a woman about who I am, what I do, and what I like, than to have to go through an evening, a week, or a month of stress dating while she finds it out, only to dump me, which can be quite painful by itself. I would think it would be a real time- and stress-saver. — Drew

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Yes, I think that would be a good idea, although I would be kind of leary .  I suppose if you write back and forth for a long time and send pictures it would be o.k.   Maybe the web page would give some credibility to you also, for people would be aware of what you like to do for hobbies and pictures of your family would make that person comfortable in writing you.    Oh sure go do it! )

Kim

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Simcha, Yes you can meet people on the internet, if you know what you’re doing. I caution you, though, it is a lot harder for men than women. But I know quite a lot of people who met this way and are happily involved, myself included… Having a web page is a nice touch, provided you don’t make it look like your dating resume and fill it with details about why you are a good catch. That stuff (and I’ve seen a lot) is a real turn-off, unless it can be done with just the right touch of self-effacing humor. If you do a home page, make it something personal that would interest anyone in your life — relatives, friends, colleagues. Instead of merely listing your hobbies and interests resume style, make one or two the centerpiece of your page. I.e., Simcha’s Fly Fishing Web Site… not Simcha’s Chick Fishing Web Site…. get the idea? I’d also recommend leaving off your photo, and sending it out only by request. You want a woman who is attracted to you for your mind, not your looks, right? Still, absolutely nothing beats the personal touch . . . the slow buildup as you reveal details about yourself via email, until finally you swap photos and then plan that first real-life meeting! Meeting over the Internet still requires the same amount of effort on your part, but I feel it has very definite advantages, especially for newly divorced people who can’t face the brutal rejection of the singles scene. It is most ideal for people who can express themselves well in writing. Good luck — and remember, just have fun with it. Dating is not a job search!.;-) jen  

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Simcha, Why don’t you send in your photo and your bio to either me or Lee, that way you will meet others that are in the same situation you are in?  Just an idea. Daisy Add variety to your sex life, use the other hand. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve got a question about trying again after the end of a 25-year marriage. (I’m a 54-year-old male dumpee).  Naturally, I plan to use the usual methods to try and find someone to share my life with, but in this day of the internet, I thought I might try something additional, and I wanted to find out what y’all thought. I have no desire to "put on a front".  I think it would be only fair to let a possible partner find out all necessary information about me, with a minimum of effort or embarrassment for all concerned. So my idea was to set up a web page, with my personal details, and if I meet someone who seems to have possibilities, direct them to the site, so they can find out all relevant information.  This way, if I’m not the type they are looking for, it would save time for all concerned. Now the idea of the web page is not to attract possible partners, as I would have no desire or expectation that a random ’surfer’ would happen upon it. The idea again is to point someone I have already met to look at the page. While surfing, I found that I apparently was not the first to come up with this idea, as I have seen pages that seem to be of this type, so the question is: Is this a good idea? Now, after the reception of my "A mountain out of molehill" post, I suppose it might be a good idea to leave out that minor detail, and fill in a possible candidate when the time seems ripe, but other that that, do you think that the idea of a web page is ridiculous , or does it have merit. Any ideas are welcome. Thank you, Simcha Gomez  (a pseudonym)

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In the same area there are some pretty good brookie ponds, and the kennebec river, particularly in the streach between Waterville and Augusta yieds some excellant brown trout (more pics on trouman’s page, including me with a 27" brown). Not bad for late fall fishing… tight lines dave

Not to mention for those bassers among us, the Kennebec downstream of Skowhegan is an excellent trout AND smallmouth fishery. I travel over 2400 miles, twice a year, for the best smallie fishing I’ve ever had. Average size seems to run 14" more or less. My biggest last year was a nice 19 incher. I haven’t had to go down after them, just toss a Sneaky Pete to the bank or blow-down and hang on! I see folks motor right up to the rapids below the dam and catch trout. You just know there are smallies up there too. Ya gotta love it!! Frank (is it spring yet?) Church

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Frank you should try the river just below where Messelonski stream comes in, as soon as the current slows a bit there is about 15-16 miles of very good smallie waters. dave dave’s homepage madness – flyfishing in Maine and more http://www.midmaine.com/~dbottom Not to mention for those bassers among us, the Kennebec downstream of Skowhegan is an excellent trout AND smallmouth fishery. Frank (is it

spring yet?) Church

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I have fished Long Pond for 6 years the week before Memorial day. It is a great small mouth fishery. I fish for salmon before sunup until about 7:30AM drifting a live shiner ( G-D forgive me) & have caught 4-5 fish less than 16" in the six years.The fish are 35 feet down or deeper the holes are 90-100" deep). I see lots of boats trolling lead core lines. Don’t see much catching. The time to fly fish for them is right after ice out & I think they just troll salmon flies.

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Belgrade lakes is a nice, but well settled area just outside Augusta, Maine. The salmon and trout fishery has gone downhill as northern pike were inadvertantly introduced into the waters in the 1980’s (courtesy of the NY state fish hatcheries who shipped some alleged landlock salmon fry that turned out to be pike). The pike fishing is turning out to be really good, my old boss took a 26lb on a streamer (pics located at http://w3.ime.net/~troutman/shame.html ). There are still some salmon and brookies in these lakes and the possibility of getting a large one is still fair. The possibility of getting a big pike is greater. There are camps on Long pond in Belgrade with boat rentals if you need them, the Village Inn in Belgrade is a great resturaunt. You can even (shudder) rent lake lice (jet skis) at the dam in Belgrade. In the same area there are some pretty good brookie ponds, and the kennebec river, particularly in the streach between Waterville and Augusta yieds some excellant brown trout (more pics on trouman’s page, including me with a 27" brown). If landlocks are your bag, I recommend you take a look at either the Rapid River (near Rangly), the East Branch of the Kennebec (Rockland) or the West Branch of the Penoboscot (Millinocket). Later in the season you can fish for schoolie stripers on the lower Kennebec from Augusta to the sea. Just before Christmas a friend of mine took a 29" 12+ lb brown on the Kennebec in Augusta. Not bad for late fall fishing… tight lines dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I received a vacation kit from Maine inland fisheries. I found it interesting that three of the five landlocked salmon over fve pounds caught in the state in 1997 came from Long Pond in the Belgrade lake region. Is anyone familiar with the area? How is the fishing? Accomodations? other recreation? Anything you can tell me would be greatly appreciated.

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I received a vacation kit from Maine inland fisheries. I found it interesting that three of the five landlocked salmon over fve pounds caught in the state in 1997 came from Long Pond in the Belgrade lake region. Is anyone familiar with the area? How is the fishing? Accomodations? other recreation? Anything you can tell me would be greatly appreciated.

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    my best buddy has managed an invitation to fish the headwaters of the north platte, just over the wyoming line from colorado, on a working ranch near saratoga.  he knows nothing about the water, although he is highly accomplished at fishing here in the appalachians.     thus, these requests for information…does anyone know any details about this section of the n.platte?  flies of choice (early to mid august); how big is the water; is it too cold to wade without neoprene; are there any tributaries in the area that hold brookies; any other good (or better) water within an hour or so?     remember, this is a one time trip, so it isn’t like you would be disclosing secrets to the great unwashed masses.  please send replies email, or call me collect at 336-275-1231.     thanks for the help.     wayne harrison

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     my best buddy has managed an invitation to fish the headwaters of the north platte, just over the wyoming line from colorado, on a working ranch near saratoga.  he knows nothing about the water, although he is highly accomplished at fishing here in the appalachians.     thus, these requests for information…does anyone know any details about this section of the n.platte?  flies of choice (early to mid august); how big is the water; is it too cold to wade without neoprene; are there any tributaries in the area that hold brookies; any other good (or better) water within an hour or so?     remember, this is a one time trip, so it isn’t like you would be disclosing secrets to the great unwashed masses.  please send replies email, or call me collect at 336-275-1231.     thanks for the help.     wayne harrison

Wayne; Two information sources I can think of, and both are excellent IMO: <<www.rockymtnflyfisher.com and Fly Fishing The North Platte by Rod Walinchus, Pruett Publishing, Boulder, CO, 800-247-8224. Rocky Mountain Fly Fisher produces a Windows CD-ROM with info and maps on sevreal dozen Rocky Mountain streams. Al Marlowe

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Just moved here from LA, If anyone has any advice on the good places to float a dry, please email me. Thanks A bunch. Tight Lines John JTA The Truth Is Out There, But Would You Recognize It? Can You Handle It?

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Just moved here from LA, If anyone has any advice on the good places to float a dry, please email me.

Try the San Juan in April – May and October.  You’ll love it.

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Just moved here from LA, If anyone has any advice on the good places to

float a dry, please email me. Try the San Juan in April – May and October.  You’ll love it.

Chuck – You might also want to check out the Rio Grande near Pilar from October thru February.  You’ll find some excellent fishing and there won’t be many other people around.  Let me know if you want more info. Jeff Schmitt

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I just caught up with the exchanges on New Mexico – also have the opportunity to get out that way in mid-late march and am trying to get some info on the San Juan.  I’ve read about the size and prolific bug life but have also heard about the crowds…Bottom line, what’s to be expected at that time of year, either weather wise or in terms of runoff?  I’m not up to date on the snow pack/drought conditions or how much difference it makes on this great tailwater…Happy to reciprocate if you all ever get out to the midwest.  Thanks.

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I am starting to stealhead fish this winter and need to know what the best fly would be.  I fish in the B.C. area.

Hi Guy, I don’t know if there is a best fly or not rather they may very well be favorite fly. For me my favorite steelhead fly is the green butt skunk. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I am starting to stealhead fish this winter and need to know what the best fly would be.  I fish in the B.C. area.

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I am starting to stealhead fish this winter and need to know what the best fly would be.  I fish in the B.C. area.

 The Popsicle’s  are  great fly patterns . This may sound weird but I like to throw a Purple Muddler (wt). I have not fished B.C. , but I would not be surprised if most patterns that work here in Cal./Oregan/Washington would produce in BC . I’m affraid that FF’ing for SH in my neck of the woods is kaput. We are  in a major flood stage and will be blown out for weeks, months. Oh well… back to the bench….   Harry

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The best fly is the one that the fish are taking at that particular day, time, and body of water.  Fishing conditions can change instantly during winter fishing season on the West Coast.  You will need a variety of patterns from bright and flashy to dark and subdued.  Steelhead fishing is a challenging prospect.   Good Luck Jeff

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I am starting to stealhead fish this winter and need to know what the best fly would be.  I fish in the B.C. area.

Trey Combs, in his book "Steelhead Fishing and Flies" gives3 lists of flies for BC streams. Karl Mausser’s list (for the Kispiox, Babine, Bulkley and Morice Rivers, all Skeena tributaries) is:         1. Kispiox Special         2. Sack Fly (a Burlap with an orange hackle tail)         3. Black Beauty         4. Skykomish Sunrise         5. McLeod Ugly Bucktail         6. Royal Coachman A Morice and Bulkley guide lists these as favorites:         1. Van Luven         2. Wooly Worm         3. Burlap         4. Stillaguamish Sunrise         5. Orange Optic         7. Skykomish Sunrise A Northwest fly seller gives this list as their top ten over a 37 year period:         1. Skunk         2. Royal Coachman Bucktail         3. Umpqua Special         4. Kalama Special         5. Skykomish Sunrise         6. Fall Favorite         7. Golden Demon         8. Spruce         9. Thor         10. Silver Hilton A couple of other good performing flies are Purple Peril and Green Butted Skunk. Tight Lines, -Burton

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The best fly of course is the one that is in the river on the end of your line. For a start, check out either of Trey Combs books ( eg. Steelhead Flyfishing and Flys) from your local library. My favorite fly is a Brad’s Brat (bright fly) or a Purple Peril (dark). Bart Phillips

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Wait a minute!  The Deschutes River is NOT near Portland, Oregon.   It’s gotta be a 3-4 hour drive, at least.  And it’s not that easy to fish from shore.  What about smaller streams on the slopes of Mt Hood or an hour or so west of Portland near Vernonia/Mist or down in Yamhill County (seem to remember some creeks in there near McMinnville – Yamhill River?)?  Anyway, if you consider total travel time, a 3-hour drive is fairly long way to go for an hour or two of fishing.  Where do busy Portlanders REALLY go?

I can make it from McMinnville to Maupin in less than three hours, less from portland. IMHO it is worth the drive, but it does make it a long day. There are some nice small streams out here in Yamhill County. They hold mostly small wild cutthroat and hatchery rainbow. They also get very low in summer and I usually stop fishing them by mid June. I would stay away from the main Yamhill River, unless you are into warmwater fish and don’t mind raw sewage. The upper forks of the Yamhill have small cutthroat and can be fun but nothing great. Tight Lines, Jay Whitworth

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Wait a minute!  The Deschutes River is NOT near Portland, Oregon. It’s gotta be a 3-4 hour drive, at least.  And it’s not that easy to fish from shore.  What about smaller streams on the slopes of Mt Hood or an hour or so west of Portland near Vernonia/Mist or down in Yamhill County (seem to remember some creeks in there near McMinnville – Yamhill River?)?  Anyway, if you consider total travel time, a 3-hour drive is fairly long way to go for an hour or two of fishing.  Where do busy Portlanders REALLY go? — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

Seriously, people.  Hit the coastal streams.  The searun cutthroat are in and many streams have summer steelhead as a bonus.  But seriously, my son and I target the cutthroat.  They are the best fly rising fish in the state–yes we fish on top–and it is not a 3 hour drive.   And if the fish are not cooperating–there is the beach, maybe the jetties, and a whole smorgasbord of good cafes and restaurants. Paul

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The Deschutes is not 3 hours from Portland. It usually takes me less than two hours to get to Maupin where there is aproximately 25-30 miles of outstanding bank fishing for steelhead and Trout. (And plenty of whitefish if you are nymphing.)

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Wait a minute!  The Deschutes River is NOT near Portland, Oregon. It’s gotta be a 3-4 hour drive, at least.  And it’s not that easy to fish from shore.  What about smaller streams on the slopes of Mt Hood or an hour or so west of Portland near Vernonia/Mist or down in Yamhill County (seem to remember some creeks in there near McMinnville – Yamhill River?)?  Anyway, if you consider total travel time, a 3-hour drive is fairly long way to go for an hour or two of fishing.  Where do busy Portlanders REALLY go? — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

Busy Portlanders aren’t real fisherpeople.  Real fisherpeople go to the …… Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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: Busy Portlanders aren’t real fisherpeople.  Real fisherpeople go to …. Anywhere in Idaho? (Except Leitheiser… he bailed out.  Don’t really blame him, it’s tough to come back to Oregon waters after getting spoiled by all those big Cutts.) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I’ll be in the Portland, OR area the end of June – beginnig of July.  I’d appreciate suggestions on places to fish for 2 days (Sat and Sun).  I’ll have a car and don’t have to return to Portland Sat nite.. Thanks in advance for your help. Martin

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I’ll be in the Portland, OR area the end of June – beginnig of July.  I’d appreciate suggestions on places to fish for 2 days (Sat and Sun).  I’ll have a car and don’t have to return to Portland Sat nite.. Thanks in advance for your help. Martin You may want to try the coastal streams–a lot closer than the Deschutes

and the searun cutthroats are the most wonderful fly rod fish you can find.  A friend of mine is a guide.  If you want to, call Glenn Young at (503) 642-4570. A secret–these fish are active surface takers!!!!! Let me know if you go and how you do. Paul

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The Deschutes River – where else.  Call Kaufmann’s Streamborn in Portland for information on the Deschutes and guides (if you want or need one).

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Wait a minute!  The Deschutes River is NOT near Portland, Oregon.   It’s gotta be a 3-4 hour drive, at least.  And it’s not that easy to fish from shore.  What about smaller streams on the slopes of Mt Hood or an hour or so west of Portland near Vernonia/Mist or down in Yamhill County (seem to remember some creeks in there near McMinnville – Yamhill River?)?  Anyway, if you consider total travel time, a 3-hour drive is fairly long way to go for an hour or two of fishing.  Where do busy Portlanders REALLY go? — Ken Brown Satis elequontiae, sapientiae parum.

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writes: Wait a minute!  The Deschutes River is NOT near Portland, Oregon.   It’s gotta be a 3-4 hour drive, at least.  And it’s not that easy to fish from shore.

Whoa!  The Deschutes is about 100 miles from Portland via very good freeways.  This makes it about an hour and a half to an hour and three quarters travel time.  As for fishing from shore, you can’t legally fish from a boat unless you are disabled amd have the proper permits.  I’ll agree that you do have to wade it to flyfish, but that’s true of most any stream!

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My family is heading up to Jackson Hole for Spring Break.  Anyone familiar with the area?  Is there some fishing to be done this early in the season?  Patterns to take along if there is open water?  Suggestions on sites would be much appreciated. Thanks, AP

Arie: There are a lot of different regulations on when, where, how, and for what you can fish that time of year.  Most of the streams are open and the fish are there, but you need to make sure you know the rules. Westbank Anglers (just west of the town of Jackson) has a great web site you can access via Flyfishers Online at http://flyfishers.com/. I just came back from Jackson three days ago.  Sure is pretty. Good luck, Bob

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My family is heading up to Jackson Hole for Spring Break.  Anyone familiar with the area?  Is there some fishing to be done this early in the season?  Patterns to take along if there is open water?  Suggestions on sites would be much appreciated. Thanks, AP

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April is early, check  with the Outfitters in West Yellowstone or Bozeman. If you would like to come to this area in the best Fly fishing just drope me a e-mail and I will tell you all about Hawley MT, Ranch just 60 miles north of Jackson Hole where   a portion of "the River Runs=====" was filmed. AND STILL NO ONE KONWS WHERE IT IS!!! BBlewett

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I have recently thought of trying to fish with fly gear.   What is a good way for me to try this sport without breaking the bank?

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* Le 01-05-95, JIM E. BECKER exprimait . ALL le propos suivant: JE JEI have recently thought of trying to fish with fly gear.   JEWhat is a good way for me to try this sport without breaking the bank? – First go to a local fly shop. They are the best source of advice. – Then try to get some lessons or rent the equipment to try it out (you will have to buy the flies though). But be aware that once you start you won’t be able to stop. I guess it should be classified has one of the incurable but  non-fatal disease…   Hope this help. Au plaisir de vous lire, Denis Lamy Trois-Rivieres (Quebec, Canada) ~~~ * VbReader 2.2 #67 * Veni, vidi, visa (Je suis venu, j’ai vu, j’ai paye)

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