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No, no, no!  Al Gore created the internet! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ahhh yes…a delicious irony ! Use the internet for fun and profit but bemoan the pioneers that created it !

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Al WHO? JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, no, no!  Al Gore created the internet! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! Ahhh yes…a delicious irony ! Use the internet for fun and profit but bemoan the pioneers that created it !

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I think this was the motto of the techie slugs before the world economy pulled the plug on their kiddie ride and the thing is coasting to a stop.  

It’s a blip, Wayne. Focus on the big picture. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Do you have any details about where, etc.?  I did some searches but came up with zip.  I live in Woodbridge, VA about 25 mi. south of DC and wouldn’t mind making the run. It’s only about an hour and a half drive on a weekend.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a fly fishing show weekend after next in College Park Md.  Just a heads up to let all the Va., Md., Pa. and traveling flyfishers know something is coming besides snow. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Do you have any details about where, etc.?  I did some searches but came up with zip.  I live in Woodbridge, VA about 25 mi. south of DC and wouldn’t mind making the run. It’s only about an hour and a half drive on a

weekend. Where: The Reckord Armory, University of Maryland, College Park, Maryland When Jan 13, Sat 9 – 6; Jan 14, Sunday, 9 – 5 Admission: $12 for adult, $20 for two-day pass, $2 for children under 12 I’m just south of you in Spotsylvania.  I’ll be going up either Saturday or Sunday.  I’m pushing for Sunday because Cathy Beck is doing a Ladies Only casting seminar and I want my distaff half to participate. (listening Joe???) — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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2) So…they the give one of their own staffers (JohnG) "Angler of the Year" ? That seemed a little odd to me…oh well…"Writer of the Year"…"EX-Bum of the year…". John’s a neighbor now.  I hope to meet him someday…I’m sure he’s a hell of a good guy.

Small point of clarification sir, Gierach was last year’s Angler of the Year. This year they named the minnow guy…Clouser. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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check flyfishingshow.com I have been considering going but not sure it would be worth traveling 4 1/2 hours. Tim,near Roanoke, Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have any details about where, etc.?  I did some searches but came up with zip.  I live in Woodbridge, VA about 25 mi. south of DC and wouldn’t mind making the run. It’s only about an hour and a half drive on a weekend. There is a fly fishing show weekend after next in College Park Md. Just a heads up to let all the Va., Md., Pa. and traveling flyfishers know something is coming besides snow. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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check flyfishingshow.com I have been considering going but not sure it would be worth traveling 4 1/2 hours. Tim,near Roanoke, Long

Tim, this is a pretty good show.  A very good opportunity to compare equipment, see some great fly tiers in action, and sit in on some terrific info. sessions.  Harry Murray’s smallmouth seminar a couple of years ago was excellent.  If you’re coming that far, make a mini- vacation out of it and throw in a little tourist stuff as well.  Joe could probably recommned a couple of great seafood restaurants in the area. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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Count me in, just 20 miles from my house.  I go that far for groceries.           Frank Reid There is a fly fishing show weekend after next in College Park Md. Just a heads up to let all the Va., Md., Pa. and traveling flyfishers know something is coming besides snow. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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If you’re coming that far, make a mini- vacation out of it and throw in a little tourist stuff as well.  Joe could probably recommned a couple of great seafood restaurants in the area.

Alas, you’d have to drive another hour north to find any restaurants I’m familiar with.   And even then I’d have trouble giving directions to the good local places.   I know where to turn, but don’t remember any street names.  Haussner’s closed down & downtown Charm City has changed quite a bit since I frequented there.   Despite it’s close proximity, I avoid anything inside the Capital Beltway like the plague.   Joe F.

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Wayne, The tourist angle is what I have been throwing at my wife…I would really like to meet Mr. Murray. I talked with him quite a bit last spring planning a trip the SNP. He is a VERY nice gentleman. I’ll let you know as time approaches if I am going to go…maybe I could meet some of you guys in person. Thanks, Tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – check flyfishingshow.com I have been considering going but not sure it would be worth traveling 4 1/2 hours. Tim,near Roanoke, Long Tim, this is a pretty good show.  A very good opportunity to compare equipment, see some great fly tiers in action, and sit in on some terrific info. sessions.  Harry Murray’s smallmouth seminar a couple of years ago was excellent.  If you’re coming that far, make a mini- vacation out of it and throw in a little tourist stuff as well.  Joe could probably recommned a couple of great seafood restaurants in the area. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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How ’bout a ROFF meet and greet at the entrance table at about noon on Saturday.  I know a couple of folks from ROFF and should be able to find them (just sniff the air for Joe’s ceeegar) but this will give a common meeting place.              Frank Reid

Frank, are you REALLY gonna open yourself up to "I can find Frank because he smells like…..(fill in the blank)" comments??  The RRR attendees alone can come up with a dozen or more fill-ins!! Tim should be the one with the ring in his nose dragging a chain attached to the wrist of a woman bent on seeing all of DC in 12 hours then heading off to an evening of shopping madness at Potomac Mills Outlet Mall.  Joe will probably be laying off the stogies because the little woman will be along while Joe gleefully tries to explain the wonderful places she can travel to and beautiful sites she can see, all the while not having to cook or wash dishes while she engages in her new hobby of fly fishing (ya think she’ll buy a word of it?)! I’ll be there looking at chicken feathers if Tysons of New Boston, NH doesn’t come through on their promise of an extra plucking this week.  I don’t think my package of rare Platypus feathers will arrive in time for the fly swap.  My contact in ACT promised to get them out right away after the bank transfer took place (I stole them for only a few hundred bucks!!). — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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How ’bout a ROFF meet and greet at the entrance table at about noon on Saturday.  I know a couple of folks from ROFF and should be able to find them (just sniff the air for Joe’s ceeegar) but this will give a common meeting place.

Saturday noon is sounding promising for an impromptu ROFF gathering.   SWMBO still seems open to the idea of attending; but I’m smelling the "I’ll just nod until something better comes up" attitude.    I need to go to find some tying materials for the swap.   Noon Saturday then?   Pink carnations? <g Damned "no smoking" regs will pre-empt the stogies. Joe F.

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tying materials for the swap.   Noon Saturday then?   Pink carnations? <g Damned "no smoking" regs will pre-empt the stogies. Joe F.

Careful Joe! Frank will be showing up with JUST a pink carnation! :-} — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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I look better in red or daisies (where can I buy some stickum?). For those that are interested, you can drop SWMBO off at the new Arundel Mills Mall near my house.  Hell, I go there weekly to genuflect in front of the future home of the east coast’s biggest BASS PRO SHOPS and OUTDOOR WORLD (opening Fall 2001).  The mall is really nice and you can do the "racetrack" pattern (its set up in a circle) in about 17 hours.  Plenty enough time to play at the Fly Fishing Show and there’s enough for SWMBO to buy at the mall that your purchases at the show will be miniscule in comparison. There are also a ton of restaurants in the area.             Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – tying materials for the swap.   Noon Saturday then?   Pink carnations? <g Damned "no smoking" regs will pre-empt the stogies. Joe F. Careful Joe! Frank will be showing up with JUST a pink carnation! :-} — Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!

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Also, at that show at 1030 on Saturday is a seminar: Central Pennsylvania Trout Streams and their Hatches – Dave Rothrock Should be good for anyone going to the Penn Clave       Frank Reid There is a fly fishing show weekend after next in College Park Md. Just a heads up to let all the Va., Md., Pa. and traveling flyfishers know something is coming besides snow. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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How ’bout a ROFF meet and greet at the entrance table at about noon on Saturday.  I know a couple of folks from ROFF and should be able to find them (just sniff the air for Joe’s ceeegar) but this will give a common meeting place.              Frank Reid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayne, The tourist angle is what I have been throwing at my wife…I would really like to meet Mr. Murray. I talked with him quite a bit last spring planning a trip the SNP. He is a VERY nice gentleman. I’ll let you know as time approaches if I am going to go…maybe I could meet some of you guys in person. Thanks, Tim check flyfishingshow.com I have been considering going but not sure it would be worth traveling 4 1/2 hours. Tim,near Roanoke, Long Tim, this is a pretty good show.  A very good opportunity to compare equipment, see some great fly tiers in action, and sit in on some terrific info. sessions.  Harry Murray’s smallmouth seminar a couple of years ago was excellent.  If you’re coming that far, make a mini- vacation out of it and throw in a little tourist stuff as well.  Joe could probably recommned a couple of great seafood restaurants in the area. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine!

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There is a fly fishing show weekend after next in College Park Md.  Just a heads up to let all the Va., Md., Pa. and traveling flyfishers know something is coming besides snow. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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There is a fly fishing show weekend after next in College Park Md.  Just a heads up to let all the Va., Md., Pa. and traveling flyfishers know something is coming besides snow.

snow jobs ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer & Urban Forager It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.

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Sorry Tim, the snow jobs all ended in November; probably some intern jobs opening up though!  Could be an opportunity now!  Build it and they will come!  I think this was the motto of the techie slugs before the world economy pulled the plug on their kiddie ride and the thing is coasting to a stop.  Slug lines at the share-a-ride are shorter and unemployment lines are longer. Why did the techie cross the road?  Couldn tell if he was coming or going, his net was down! — Wayne (can’t wait for deregulation of the utility industry! You think natural gas prices are high NOW!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a fly fishing show weekend after next in College Park Md.  Just a heads up to let all the Va., Md., Pa. and traveling flyfishers know something is coming besides snow. snow jobs ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer & Urban Forager It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.

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Sorry Tim, the snow jobs all ended in November; probably some intern jobs opening up though!  Could be an opportunity now!  Build it and they will come!  I think this was the motto of the techie slugs before the world economy pulled the plug on their kiddie ride and the thing is coasting to a stop.  Slug lines at the share-a-ride are shorter and unemployment lines are longer. Why did the techie cross the road?  Couldn tell if he was coming or going, his net was down!

Ahhh yes…a delicious irony ! Use the internet for fun and profit but bemoan the pioneers that created it ! Nice Mr. Divinity…nice. OBROFF: Fly Rod and Reel…regarding the nov-dec 2000 issue… 1) the interest piquing headline "is catch and release obsolete" forced me to buy a copy for the first time in a long while – amazing the leap that ‘c&r is harassment’ while ‘pointless’ fishing is not…all I could think of was paint ball deer hunting. Clearly the next ‘logical’ step arrived at by many others but really missing the mark complete…Sorry FR&R & Pete Bodo, but if you want to get some honest responses, take it to roff…you guys are at like ‘post zero’. 2) So…they the give one of their own staffers (JohnG) "Angler of the Year" ? That seemed a little odd to me…oh well…"Writer of the Year"…"EX-Bum of the year…". John’s a neighbor now.  I hope to meet him someday…I’m sure he’s a hell of a good guy. 3) Ted Williams is a whiner of the 1st magnitude and unless FR&R terminates his column, I’ll probably not buy another in a while.  Nor will I dignify the thing with a letter to them.  Did anyone else notice that he complains of 2 cycle engine pollution yet in the ‘infamous’ lifting-power jetski ad. What is that anyway…a flats rippin’ 200HP Evinrude? C’mon Williams when are you going to learn that the earth does not rotate around your [blindered] views. You know…it’s an ironic delicacy (almost) to see that Flyfishing periodicals do not even stay pure to flyfishing….politics will creep in, inevitably.  What I hate is the ‘assumed correctness’ of them. 4) What in the hell is that book reviewer thinking ? He uses the amazing annals of Lee Wulff as a podium for his own chest beating [claims to have photographed some poachers, F&W ignored him...]. Stick to the book reviews man…you were doing so well. 5) I was troubled by some of the photographs…one of a ‘crab’ fly was on a hook that was amazingly rutted and ‘zircon encrusted’…I’d never fish it…much less photograph it for a major magazine…the other one that just well…bugged me…was the photo of the gear review dude and his photo-grays…one lens is always darker than the other, for no apparent reason. 6) This guy ‘reinvents’ the wooley booger by tying it on a dubbed body ? And what’s really sad…hell…I paid for it ! 7) So Skip writes an article on egg flies yet has only fished them ONCE ?!?!? That’s *amazing* ! He *is* good. There’s an ad for a patent attorney who will register fly patterns…GAK GAK GAK ! Your pal, — TimW Techie Slug, Halfordian Golfer & Urban Forager It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout. A cash flow runs through it.

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Hey Paul.  Finally took your advice and bought a kayak.  I think perhaps they should be outlawed.  You can get too close to tailing reds and it makes them too easy to catch. And, you can onto real muddy flats in seconds.  Before it took me forever in snowshoes.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fishing for bass with a small popper I cast to the edge of a stand of cat tails. I got a little too close and thought I had snagged one of the reeds. When everything exploded I thought I had a giant bass. Then I saw the black tubular shape and realized what I had snagged. I was in a kick boat and began kciking toward a shore line (double time) as I stripped out line. In just a few seconds I was to the backing and still stripping. Standing on dry land I began to retrieve line to find that the snake had wrapped around a stump and I was able to break it off. I didn’t care to land it and wasn’t a bit curious about what kind of snake it was.

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….spat on by a squirrel….

Thanks Herman, I just spewed a nice Cabernet all over the keyboard…….hm…….come to think of it, that’s not all that funny after all….been there.

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and carry a small dog for the gator’s. — Charlie…

        what is this?  a very short fill in the blank nature exam?         hehehehehehe…         wayno

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – and carry a small dog for the gator’s. — Charlie…    what is this?  a very short fill in the blank nature exam?    hehehehehehe…

Wondered if you’d catch that (but I was betting you would<g). It’s for the gator’s dog to play with while you and the gator discuss dance steps – shufflin’ like a gator as it were. — Charlie…

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and carry a small dog for the gator’s. — Charlie…         what is this?  a very short fill in the blank nature exam?         hehehehehehe…         wayno

speakin’ of gatahs…. go gatahs! (hehehehehhe..) obroff: watermelon pond, located about 20 miles west of g’ville, has it’s name due to the farmland dedicated to growing melons on the rolling hills which surround this placid body of water. the melon crop provides the local farmers with some hard earned money (try pickin and loading watermelons in a hot Florida sun someday) and the fertilizer eventually makes its way to the lake which promotes good aquatic flora, which in turn promotes good aquatic fauna, which in turn attracts the likes of me. as is the case with most lakes located in the karst topographical zone of north central Florida, it is for the most part a hard packed white sand bottom lake which makes it ideal for wading in pursuit of largemouths. as is the case of most Florida lakes, if not all, it has its fair share of reptillean critters, and i ain’t speaking of crackers. amidst the pads and maidencane is where the big bass lay, waiting for the misguided bluegill, shiner, frog, bird, or snake to meander by. one day, while i was retrieving my streamer i snagged some hydrilla. i started stripping it in real fast and this now foot long plus streamer is streaking across the surface. a bass decides it must be a snake and hooks hisself on this mess. as i was in mid-strip, the bass is skimming towards me on the surface. one second i was fishing a streamer, the next i was fishing a big weedy streamer, the following i was fishing an even larger fishy streamer, and the next second i was hooked into about a 5 foot gatah. well, he had my "streamer" in his mouth anyway. cool. way cool. shit. i’m standing in about three feet of water and i’m playing a gator about 30 feet away from me. he does a roll and heads under water. the line is being pulled off my reel so at least he’s heading away, unless of course he’s making a big circle, which by the way he was. he surfaced with much aplomb about 10 feet from me with that big ole silly gatah grin only broken by my dead bass hanging out the side of his mouth like a cherished stogie. with a swish of his tail he’s on me. surreal moments live forever. i still feel like i was a ‘nole stunt man in one of weismuller’s tarzan zanies wrasslin a gator underwater. the fly, a flashy buggah streamer, dubbed a "wallymelon" by my fishing companion, is still in my possession. this is how i earned the moniker…. –wally gatah

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– shufflin’ like a gator as it were. — Charlie…

        oh, you mean that little number waldo does while explaining his late evening whereabouts to the lovely marie?  now i understand. wayno (a beach boogie man)

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…. with a swish of his tail he’s on me. surreal moments live forever. …

Great story. Did you live ? — Ken Fortenberry- right leg’s getting long, pull the left next time

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Great story. Did you live ?

only in spirit(s)….. oh yeah, some, not all mind you, of that tale is fictional wayno, you drsob. you fishin hazel this week? –wally gatah

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…. with a swish of his tail he’s on me. surreal moments live forever. … Great story. Did you live ? —

Who cares – Did it take you into the backing? Peter

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Great story. Did you live ? only in spirit(s)….. oh yeah, some, not all mind you, of that tale is fictional wayno, you drsob. you fishin hazel this week? –wally gatah

        yessiree bob, although the party has been reduced to just me and ol dash riprock.  why don’t you come up and see us sometime.         no shit, we would love to have you.  will be in a posh cabin from tuesday night until saturday morning. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Food for nightmares.. A friend of mine fished the coastal waters around Florida. Pictures of alligators. BIG stingrays all around your ankles.

That’s why you should always shuffle your feet to scare the rays… and carry a small dog for the gator’s. — Charlie…

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Food for nightmares.. A friend of mine fished the coastal waters around Florida. Pictures of alligators. BIG stingrays all around your ankles. Now you’ve done it: tonight I’ll combine the two and dream about bellyboating, hooking a big alligator in the nostrils, paddling back to see a snake dangling from the very tree I’m aiming for. Herman Fishing for bass with a small popper I cast to the edge of a stand of cat tails. I got a little too close and thought I had snagged one of the reeds. When everything exploded I thought I had a giant bass. Then I saw the black tubular shape and realized what I had snagged. I was in a kick boat and began kciking toward a shore line (double time) as I stripped out line. In just a few seconds I was to the backing and still stripping. Standing on dry land I began to retrieve line to find that the snake had wrapped around a stump and I was able to break it off. I didn’t care to land it and wasn’t a bit curious about what kind of snake it was.

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Yeah, right… scare the rays.. I’m Dutch, remember? The worst thing that can happen over here  while fishing, naturewise that is, is being spat on by a squirrel. Being circled by stingrays is already way out of that league. Herman, who wouldn’t put a toe in that water.

Yeah, but a lot of the ex-colonies have some interesting critters in the water<g. I don’t much care for gators, but bonefish flats are covered with rays. — Charlie…

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And that’s why one must always wear leaded wading boots when bonefishin’. Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, right… scare the rays.. I’m Dutch, remember? The worst thing that can happen over here  while fishing, naturewise that is, is being spat on by a squirrel. Being circled by stingrays is already way out of that league. Herman, who wouldn’t put a toe in that water. Yeah, but a lot of the ex-colonies have some interesting critters in the water<g. I don’t much care for gators, but bonefish flats are covered with rays. — Charlie…

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Yeah, right… scare the rays.. I’m Dutch, remember? The worst thing that can happen over here  while fishing, naturewise that is, is being spat on by a squirrel. Being circled by stingrays is already way out of that league. Herman, who wouldn’t put a toe in that water. Food for nightmares.. A friend of mine fished the coastal waters around Florida. Pictures of alligators. BIG stingrays all around your ankles. That’s why you should always shuffle your feet to scare the rays… and carry a small dog for the gator’s. — Charlie…

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Fishing for bass with a small popper I cast to the edge of a stand of cat tails. I got a little too close and thought I had snagged one of the reeds. When everything exploded I thought I had a giant bass. Then I saw the black tubular shape and realized what I had snagged. I was in a kick boat and began kciking toward a shore line (double time) as I stripped out line. In just a few seconds I was to the backing and still stripping. Standing on dry land I began to retrieve line to find that the snake had wrapped around a stump and I was able to break it off. I didn’t care to land it and wasn’t a bit curious about what kind of snake it was.

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I am spending the first week of July in the Brooks Camp within Katmai National Park and wanted some fishing advice.  Can anyone tell me some good areas to fish.  I hear the fishing is great during that time of year but this is my first trip to the park.  I wondered if anyone had any specific advice for areas to fish and hike. I have looked at the various websites and they don’t get very specific.  Will there be mostly Red Salmon that time of year?  Kings?  Are there good Steelhead or Dolly runs?  Any information you would be able to share would be greatly appreciated.  Also, is there any way to float out of the Park back to King Salmon?   Thanks, Rob

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Hi Rob, We had group trips for ~20 years out of our shop lead by my good friend Joe Shirshac. The Brooks river is small (under ~2miles?) and runs between two large lakes. In July there will be lots of Sockeye Salmon and lots of Brown Bears. There is a famous falls there where they observe the bears fishing for the salmon. The Sockeyes are very fresh and fight like crazy. We used a 10′ type 3 sinktip on a #7 or 8 outfit. A 7 1/2′ 0x to 2x leader and small sparse Sockeye flies. They are so thick at times, you will snag them if you strip the fly at all. There are also nice Rainbow trout in the Brooks. You can catch them on green Sculpin imitations, leeches, wooly bugger and nymphs. Some dries work too. The best fishing for the Sockeye is way below the falls down by the mouth going into the lake. The best Rainbow fishing is the stretch above the falls. If you email Joe, he will probably give you some real good info. When he started going there over 20 years ago, they camped out for about a month in the camp ground that is near the Brooks Lodge. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am spending the first week of July in the Brooks Camp within Katmai National Park and wanted some fishing advice.  Can anyone tell me some good areas to fish.  I hear the fishing is great during that time of year but this is my first trip to the park.  I wondered if anyone had any specific advice for areas to fish and hike. I have looked at the various websites and they don’t get very specific.  Will there be mostly Red Salmon that time of year? Kings?  Are there good Steelhead or Dolly runs?  Any information you would be able to share would be greatly appreciated.  Also, is there any way to float out of the Park back to King Salmon? Thanks, Rob

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Try Sunset crater the area if really nice, and if I’m not mistaken… It is where some of the Lunar Apollo astronauts trained for a while back in the 60’s. Not too far from Flagstaff either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had so much success in my last post asking for this info for the Santa Fe area, that since my travel plans have now changed I thought I’d try again.  I’ll now be in the Sedona/Flagstaff area for 2 weeks in mid-October, instead of the Santa Fe area.  While there I’d like to do some backpacking – I don’t mind wandering some reasonable distance from the area to do it – S. Utah would be OK, too, for example. Does anyone have any tips?  I’m interested in something physically rigorous and wild.  I would think that I’ll have time for a couple of trips in the 3-5 day range, and may have time for a couple of day-hikes or overnighters also.  Have been to Superstition Wilderness before, so some other recommendation would be appreciated.  Ideally, I could fly-fish there, too. Any advice would be gratefully received – thanks, all.

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I had so much success in my last post asking for this info for the Santa Fe area, that since my travel plans have now changed I thought I’d try again.  I’ll now be in the Sedona/Flagstaff area for 2 weeks in mid-October, instead of the Santa Fe area.  While there I’d like to do some backpacking – I don’t mind wandering some reasonable distance from the area to do it – S. Utah would be OK, too, for example.

At Peak to Peak Trail and Wilderness Links (http://home.earthlink.net/~swfry/pk2pk/p2p.html) you will find 15 web sites listed for Arizona and 11 for Utah – each with trip reports and trail descriptions! Does anyone have any tips?  I’m interested in something physically rigorous and wild.  I would think that I’ll have time for a couple of trips in the 3-5 day range, and may have time for a couple of day-hikes or overnighters also.  Have been to Superstition Wilderness before, so some other recommendation would be appreciated.  Ideally, I could fly-fish there, too. Any advice would be gratefully received – thanks, all.

–      Peak to Peak Trail and Wilderness Links   http://home.earthlink.net/~swfry/pk2pk/p2p.html

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I had so much success in my last post asking for this info for the Santa Fe area, that since my travel plans have now changed I thought I’d try again.  I’ll now be in the Sedona/Flagstaff area for 2 weeks in mid-October, instead of the Santa Fe area.  While there I’d like to do some backpacking – I don’t mind wandering some reasonable distance from the area to do it – S. Utah would be OK, too, for example. Does anyone have any tips?  I’m interested in something physically rigorous and wild.  I would think that I’ll have time for a couple of trips in the 3-5 day range, and may have time for a couple of day-hikes or overnighters also.  Have been to Superstition Wilderness before, so some other recommendation would be appreciated.  Ideally, I could fly-fish there, too. Any advice would be gratefully received – thanks, all.

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12 Sept 97 To hike and include fly fishing, try the Lake Poweel area with a day the North Rim of the Grand Canyon is always spectacular. Normally, I’d say spend a few days in Supai, 8 miles into the Canyon with the only Native Americans still living in the Canyon.But flash flooding makes that a bad idea just now. You might give some thought to hiking in Bryce Canyon, Zion (though they might be having flash floods too), and through the Rim country in Sedona. Lots of variety and weather conditions. Usually this would be a great time of year to come here, but the very late monsoons have made every afternoon a potential thunderstorm nightmare. In fact, yesterday, NE of Flagstaff by 60 miles there were 4 funnel clouds spotted while 2 hikers were caught in a flash flood in the Canyon. Perhaps another month will bring some sanity to our weather. Have a great time. If you need books, maps, or equipment let us know. // – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had so much success in my last post asking for this info for the Santa Fe area, that since my travel plans have now changed I thought I’d try again.  I’ll now be in the Sedona/Flagstaff area for 2 weeks in mid-October, instead of the Santa Fe area.  While there I’d like to do some backpacking – I don’t mind wandering some reasonable distance from the area to do it – S. Utah would be OK, too, for example. Does anyone have any tips?  I’m interested in something physically rigorous and wild.  I would think that I’ll have time for a couple of trips in the 3-5 day range, and may have time for a couple of day-hikes or overnighters also.  Have been to Superstition Wilderness before, so some other recommendation would be appreciated.  Ideally, I could fly-fish there, too. Any advice would be gratefully received – thanks, all.

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A new client will have me spending a fair amount of time in Phoenix. Where do I fish (trout or bass, not picky) in this desert…or do I have to take up (ugh) golf?

Hi Steph, Call Jim Fraijo at Arizona Outdoors in Tempe.  He has always shared information freely with me (602-968-3868). — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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A new client will have me spending a fair amount of time in Phoenix. Where do I fish (trout or bass, not picky) in this desert…or do I have to take up (ugh) golf?

Scope out the AZ FF site at: http://www.azlink.com/~jshannon/ DawsonH

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A new client will have me spending a fair amount of time in Phoenix. Where do I fish (trout or bass, not picky) in this desert…or do I have to take up (ugh) golf?

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Does anyone out there know where there is any good flyfishing within a 100 miles of San Francisco.  I am going there in October and would like to try my luck.  I would appreciate a direct response thanks

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Hi. Write or call Daiablo Valley Fly Fishemen, PO Box 4988, Walnut Creek, CA. 94596 Pres. Rod Black 415 736-1989 or 510 736-1989. If you need any info. about Montana I can also help. I spend Mayto Nov. at my fishing lodge in MT and Nov to May in San Francisco Bay Area. Have a nice day fishing.                                Bryant BBlewett

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden         Fishinternet Australia         http://www.fishnet.com.au/ I checked your page. It looks good. Can you help me with advice on fly-fishing for Barramundi in the Cairns / Port Douglas area, or even further north into Cape York. I’ve heard this is something of a new frontier in salt water fly fishing and that the Barramunid is excellent quarry. I will be in the area for 2 weeks in September. I’d like to know about seasons, flies, techniques, guides, etc. Thanks. Christopher Payne. Can you assure me of the availability of that nectar of the gods known

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden         Fishinternet Australia         http://www.fishnet.com.au/

I checked your page. It looks good. Can you help me with advice on fly-fishing for Barramundi in the Cairns / Port Douglas area, or even further north into Cape York. I’ve heard this is something of a new frontier in salt water fly fishing and that the Barramunid is excellent quarry. I will be in the area for 2 weeks in September. I’d like to know about seasons, flies, techniques, guides, etc. Thanks. Christopher Payne.

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We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden          Fishinternet Australia          http://www.fishnet.com.au/

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You bet! I’m Mike Jackson and I’m headed back to the 59th parallel, North Seal River flowage, in far northern Manitoba this summer. I was there last year in late July and my friend and I caught hundreds of pike between 25 and 30 lbs.  I am certain this is the year we will catch pike over 30 lbs., either on a fly rod, spoons, bucktails or surface baits. I am an outdoor writer in the Chicago area. I also host an outdoor radio talk show every week and travel around Canada looking for monster pike. This fantastic fishing is at Gangler’s Steven’s-Nicklin Lake 5-star outpost camp. We’ll stay overnight in Winnipeg, Manitoba Fri., Aug. 16. At around 6:30 Sat. morning, we’ll board Gangler’s private jet and fly to Lynn Lake, Manitoba. From there, we’ll transfer to  a twin-engine float plan which takes us to the Steven’s-Nicklin outpost. We’ll be into trophy pike by late morning. This 5-star outpost outshines many of the main lodges I’ve visited over the last 30 years. This beautiful location boasts two new oversized cabins with two separate bedrooms each, for parties of 4. There’s a full kitchen, bathroom, living room, with couches and screened porch in each cabin. All food is included. 24 hour electricity and a camp manager is on hand as well. I have room for 8 people the week of Aug. 16-24. The cost for 7 days of trophy pike, lake trout and grayling angling is $1,995. That includes airfare from Winnipeg.  There are always bargain flights available to Winnipeg from many locations in the midwest. The hotel and the flight to Winnipeg are the only added expense. If you’re interested, call Gangler’s Lodges, 1-800-23-LODGE and tell them you want go fishing with Mike Jackson the week of Aug. 16-24. This is the fresh water pike trip of a lifetime!                                   ******

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=You bet! =I’m Mike Jackson and I’m headed back to the 59th parallel, North =Seal River flowage, in far northern Manitoba this summer. I was Sigh, another ad….. Keep the ads out of these newsgroups, dude! =there last year in late July and my friend and I caught hundreds =of pike between 25 and 30 lbs.  I am certain this is the year we I personally doubt that you caught _hundreds_ of pike between 25 and 30 lbs, but none over 30 pounds. If there were that many just under 30 there would also have been some over 30, methinks. You could also say that hundreds of pike under 30 pounds but none sofar _over_ 30 seems to indicate that those waters don’t hold any bigger pike than that, possibly because there isn’t enough food for them to grow any bigger….. [snip] =If you’re interested, call Gangler’s Lodges, 1-800-xx-xxxxx and =tell them you want go fishing with Mike Jackson the week of Aug. =16-24. This is the fresh water pike trip of a lifetime! Nah. If you _really_ want to have a go at monster pike you should go to Sweden. Some of the best, if not _the_ best pike fishing in the world can be found among the hundreds of islands in the archipelago east of Stockholm (in the brackish coastal waters of the Baltic Sea). The current record pike is over 60 pounds, and a number of 45-pounders are caught every year….. — S.Wendel

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Is there a censorship policy established for this group?  It was fun for a while to watch the K-9 act like a fool, but I’m afraid it’s escalated to obsurdity.  This boy vs girl mentality is remeniscent of a 4th grade   classroom with the corresponding IQ & emotional levels. If there is no censorship policy, then I would encourage other’s to use the "n/return" function on your computers. Tim

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: Is there a censorship policy established for this group?  It was fun for a : while to watch the K-9 act like a fool, but I’m afraid it’s escalated to : obsurdity.  This boy vs girl mentality is remeniscent of a 4th grade   : classroom with the corresponding IQ & emotional levels. : If there is no censorship policy, then I would encourage other’s to use : the "n/return" function on your computers. : Tim The only censorship should be from censor mavens such as yourself.   Go read alt.cindy.brady, eh… Tim Walker

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: The only censorship should be from censor mavens such as yourself.   : Go read alt.cindy.brady, eh… : Tim Walker Heeee’sss BACK! Welcome. Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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The only censorship should be from censor mavens such as yourself.  

Having Tim Walker defend free speech for all r.o.f.f. postings is like having Frank Zappa defend free speech for the entire rock music industry. Yes, theoretically, I’m all for free speech; I just wish that all rock musicians and all r.o.f.f. posters had as much worthwhile to say as Frank and Tim.  Provocative posts which encourage fresh thinking about fly fishing are one thing; the boring, puerile, misogynist whinings that are so fashionable nowadays are quite another. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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[gone with swell foops of the del key] : and Tim.  Provocative posts which encourage fresh thinking about fly : fishing are one thing; the boring, puerile, misogynist whinings that are so : fashionable nowadays are quite another. And, virtually indistingushable sometimes…. Tim Walker

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What’s wrong with polar bear hackle? I use grizzly hackle myself – floats well too, once you remove the claws.

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mr. bulldog- badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and i believe something called "furnace" hackle which definitely did not come from a furnace…

: Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but : I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they : sell badger hackle! : Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   : Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? : Bulldog : #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # : # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # : #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

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Whatever turns you on !

Seems every year they pull someone out of the polar bear compound who apparently tried that. Seems it’s not too healthy. multitudes of synthetic "furs" available out there? I’ve been tying pike streamers with Super Hair lately. Ties nice if all you want is a straight streamer, but I’d like something with some flare (as in flares like deer hair). Any suggestions? JL 8-Wt Editor

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Hmmm . . . Must be one of them flying polar bears I’ve heared tell about. Could be dangerous if one o’ them critters gets confused an’ lands on some statue down in Nu Yawk City! But, I guess you could get some mighty big necks off one of ‘em! JL 8-Wt Editor

Whatever turns you on ! Pete Marrow, Global Seismology Research Group, British Geological Survey, Murchison House, West Mains Road, Edinburgh, EH9 3LA. UK. tel: 031-667-1000          Fax: 031-667-1877  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – mr. bulldog- badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and i believe something called "furnace" hackle which definitely did not come from a furnace… : Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but : I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they : sell badger hackle! : Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   : Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? : Bulldog

Mr. Santos, I KNOW why badger and grizzly hackle are so named, but I decided to make a joke.  Whew, I guess you didn’t get the hint from my last question/sentence.  Anyway, I hope that one day, everyone will spend as much on their sense of humor as they do their fly fishing equipment (and some should fork out a little more)! Ruf, Bulldog #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

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: mr. bulldog- : : badger refers to the patterning of the feathers, not the type of animal the fur/ : feather came from-if you think about this, there is also grizzly hackle, and And I thought "grizzly hackle" referred to some of those road-kill birds I’ve been known to drag home! Charley

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I recently saw and ad in Flyfishermens Mag. about some guys who sells polar bear hackle.  I was curious to see if anyone has ever used or knows much about it.  

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I recently saw and ad in Flyfishermens Mag. about some guys who sells polar bear hackle.

Hmmm . . . Must be one of them flying polar bears I’ve heared tell about. Could be dangerous if one o’ them critters gets confused an’ lands on some statue down in Nu Yawk City! But, I guess you could get some mighty big necks off one of ‘em! JL 8-Wt Editor

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Could this be related to Badger hackle?  You guys have been ragging, but I haven’t seen hackle on a badger, but every fly tier knows, that they sell badger hackle! Give the dude a break…hey, I should talk, but I DO have a question?   Does anyone know where I can get Kodiak hackle? Bulldog #                         |  "I am neither loitering nor trespassing.     # # Paul "Cousin" Graham    |   I have simply chosen an advisable location  # #                         |     – from the movie, ‘Fletch’                #

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