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Uh huh.  Must be speaking from experience. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – likes boys.

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  Uh huh. George, you cry like a baby when someone posts crap like this about you. riverman

Well, you’re right.  If Connor would stop stalking ALL OF ROFF, it might help. But, you make a good point. George

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Tattle-taler Connor is a loser.  Sneaky back stabber, two faced coward, stalker, yellow spined sissy, troller, jealousy of George, devious, blue thingie poster, limited fly fishing knowledge but fair fly tier . . . quibbler, untrustworthy poster, attention hungry . . . likes boys. George Gehrke

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Tattle-taler Connor is a loser.  Sneaky back stabber, two faced coward, stalker, yellow spined sissy, troller, jealousy of George, devious, blue thingie poster, limited fly fishing knowledge but fair fly tier . . . quibbler, untrustworthy poster, attention hungry . . . likes boys. George Gehrke

Uh huh. George, you cry like a baby when someone posts crap like this about you. riverman

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Sorry… accidentally copied the NG… Mark

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Sorry… accidentally copied the NG… Mark

That’s okay. It gave those of us who missed it the first time a chance to send a complaint to his ISP — which I did. Mine (AT&T) must have filtered it out, surprisingly enough. Thanks. GB in NC

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Ahem New site here in good ol’ SA www.troutfishing.co.za Cheers Ari

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Ahem New site here in good ol’ SA www.troutfishing.co.za

Rugby, braaivleis, sunny skies and Chevrolet…. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Group, My wife has finally, I think, gotten tired of me planning our family camping vacations around a fly fishing destination (last year it was Manzanita Lake and Hat Creek, not to mention our obligatory trips to the Owens Valley/Mammoth area). She  has planned a trip to Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon area. Other than Lees Ferry, can someone offer suggestions on where to fish. I’m inclined to seek out small creeks and quiet lakes as opposed to some nationally recognized mecca. We’ll be there the first week of August. Any suggestions would be most welcome. I haven’t been through this area since I was about 8, so I’m looking forward to showing it to my kids…but I would like to fish even just a wee bit. Campground suggestions would be great too. Roger

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We just got back last week from a trip to the same area.  We didn’t stay in the park when we went to Bryce, but at a campground in the national forest about 25 minutes drive to the park entrance.  The campground was at Tropic resevoir, 7 miles up a dirt road off the highway.  I didn’t take any fishing equipment with me but there were a lot people there fishing and the sight of many trout rising in the late evening (inlet side of the lake and the inlet creek) did make me wish I had my fly rod. We camped on the North Rim of the Grand, the campground was nice but reservations are required.  I didn’t see anywhere to fish near here.  At Zion we also camped in the park, reservations recomended.  The campground is on the Virgin river.  I didn’t see any fish rising or anyone fishing so I am afraid I dont’ know.  I would mention the temperatures while we were there June 6 – June 15.  Bryce (alt. < 8000 feet at Tropic res.); highs were mid 60’s, lows mid 30s (it snowed on the 5th).  Grand Canyon (alt 7800) highs mid 70, lows upper 40s.  Zion (alt 4000) high 103, low upper 60’s.  I think a warm front moved in between the Grand the Zion, but August should be warmer. Joe

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Group, << snip She  has planned a trip to Bryce, Zion, Grand Canyon area. Other than Lees Ferry, can someone offer suggestions on where to fish. I’m inclined to seek out small creeks and quiet lakes as opposed to some nationally recognized mecca. << snip Campground suggestions would be great too. Roger

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Joe, I’m starting to think I may not bring the gear at all, since it looks like we won’t get down to Lee’s Ferry. This looks like it’s shaping up to be a "family" trip with few opportunities for fishing. How was the campground at Tropic Reservoir? I’m looking for an alternative to overcrowed NP campgrounds in the park, and those private monstrosities that feature swimming pools, arcades, snack shops etc. The kids are voting for the latter, but that ain’t camping to me. Problem is the wife insists on Showers. Which campground did you use in Zion? Thanks for your help Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We just got back last week from a trip to the same area.  We didn’t stay in the park when we went to Bryce, but at a campground in the national forest about 25 minutes drive to the park entrance.  The campground was at Tropic resevoir, 7 miles up a dirt road off the highway.  I didn’t take any fishing equipment with me but there were a lot people there fishing and the sight of many trout rising in the late evening (inlet side of the lake and the inlet creek) did make me wish I had my fly rod. We camped on the North Rim of the Grand, the campground was nice but reservations are required.  I didn’t see anywhere to fish near here.  At Zion we also camped in the park, reservations recomended.  The campground is on the Virgin river.  I didn’t see any fish rising or anyone fishing so I am afraid I dont’ know.  I would mention the temperatures while we were there June 6 – June 15.  Bryce (alt. < 8000 feet at Tropic res.); highs were mid 60’s, lows mid 30s (it snowed on the 5th).  Grand Canyon (alt 7800) highs mid 70, lows upper 40s.  Zion (alt 4000) high 103, low upper 60’s.  I think a warm front moved in between the Grand the Zion, but August should be warmer. Joe

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Yeah Richard.  Would love to lend any help I can.  I know that last year you guys launched from Hickory Creek (Springdale) and that Gerald caught most of his winning day bass down river.  I know he got a few off the hwy 12 bridge each day but I am afraid the lake is much different from when you guys saw it last year.  We desperately need rain to get the lake level back up.  We had a good rain last weekend and more is forecasted this weekend.  So hopefully by april when you guys get up here it will be up somewhat.  I will keep you posted around that time.   I generally launch from Hickory Creek and am more familiar down stream than up.  I generally fish everything below Horseshoe Bend but I will be exploring more this year. be nice to have someone to cheer for during the tournament.  I will help you with directions maps and anything else I can. BAZZMAN

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<snip   I generally launch from Hickory Creek and am more familiar down stream than up.  I generally fish everything below Horseshoe Bend but I will be exploring more this year.

Hey BAZZMAN: Stop and give me a howdy the next time you’re fishing down towards Eden Bluff on Beaver (just south of Monte Ne, near Three Fingers Cove…I’m the guy fly fishing for bass and stripers from my skiff…you’ve probably seen me a million times.  My dock is right before the entrance to Three Fingers. I enjoy reading your posts….you could probably teach me a thing or two about spawning bass this Spring…..see ya’ Greg Hardig

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Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver. BAZZMAN…

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Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver.

Glad to hear you had a great time on Beaver. I am not familiar with springdale but if you are talking the same lake I fished last April it was up in the N.W. corner of the state. If we are talking of the same lake keep an eye on her as I have an FLW on her in April. Would appreciate any help. Good fishing, Richard L. LaFay | (248) 753-6940 (work) 2887 Pontiac Court  | (248) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   48326 Ranger Boats, Lowrance Electronics, Berkley Trilene, Rippler, and Bill Norman Lures. I use them because I think they’re the best!

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The unusally warm weather has been great for fishing in Alabama too.  I caught 17 bass in about 5 hours on Lake Guntersville last Wednesday.  Although there was a 13′4” weighted in the previous Saturday at the Waterfront Grocery where I put in,  most of the fish I caught were between 12 and 14 inches (non-keepers on Guntersville).  But I catch and release anyway and a bass is a bass.  Water temp was in the mid to upper 50’s.  It’s typical for the largest bass of the season to be caught in February on Guntersville. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking of excellent winter day on the lake.  I was fishing Beaver Lake in Springdale Arkanasas on Wednesday.  Monday it was a record high 75 and Tuesday was also high at 72 degrees.  I went out Wednesday and chose to stay in the lower White River end of the lake.  I was flipping and pitching black jig and pigs in the nastiest pockets I could find.  It seemed like the more crap that had washed in there from the terential rains on Saturday the better.  I caught bass to 4 pounds and ended up catching 10 in the 4 hours I was on the water.  I cant believe I had such an awesome day in early February.  Fishing usually sucks until March on Beaver. Glad to hear you had a great time on Beaver. I am not familiar with springdale but if you are talking the same lake I fished last April it was up in the N.W. corner of the state. If we are talking of the same lake keep an eye on her as I have an FLW on her in April. Would appreciate any help. Good fishing, Richard L. LaFay | (248) 753-6940 (work) 2887 Pontiac Court  | (248) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   48326 Ranger Boats, Lowrance Electronics, Berkley Trilene, Rippler, and Bill Norman Lures. I use them because I think they’re the best!

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[rip...] Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing.

What do you think Rocky Flats is there for ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks.

if you read john gierach, you would get a pretty good idea of what the area is like…it is his haunt and he does talk about it a lot… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks. Saw Hill Ponds, off 75th st. in Boulder.  Big bluegill and lots of bass, some very large.  I know it ain’t trout, but the panfish action will be great this time of year.  Tell him to walk to the back ponds. JE

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?)

If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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: I have a good friend who is going to the Boulder, CO, area around Labor : Day and would like to know what’s available for fly fishing.  Do you have : any information on rivers/streams and guide services?  Any information : would be appreciated.  Thanks. Right under the library downtown.  I believe I’ve seen that big fish from Vail there… I guess it makes road trips.  (Will I ever stop flogging this horse?) If you go under the library, or downstream at the observatory, make sure it is well after midnight…those literary types get all bent out of shape when you creel a couple for dinner in front of them…

I would not try to smoke any tobacco products either.  They get pretty testy about that shit.  Noone will bug you if you decide to spark up a Fat One:-) though, in fact they may want to join you. I would also avoid taking dumpsters, lighting them on fire, and then rolling them down The Hill at policemen. You can, however, get away with murder in that town.  If you do kill someone, the police will posture for months and then bust some poor homeless guy on drugs instead. Boulder: A prime reason to resume above-ground nuclear weapons testing. </chaz

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Boca Paila and Casa Blanca have great permit, some Tarpon and  lotsa bones.  The bones are on the smallish side but you should get more chances a permit than in the Bahamas or Florida.  I’ve fished Boca Paila twice. Good folks.  Casa Blanca is just to the South of Boca Paila. Best day — 13 bones before lunch.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me where is the best lodge to goto for BIG Permit & Bonefish? Robert Wong                        1993 Honda Civic Si Hatchback                                          Advanced Timing Visit My New & Improved Homepage  http://www.gate.net/~foxer           Atkid – 48 days – down 20

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A great, and less expensive alternative to fishing at Asencion Bay is the CUZAN GUEST HOUSE at $1450 per week, double occupancy. Contact me for more info.    Gene Kelly

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writes: Can anyone tell me where is the best lodge to goto for BIG Permit &

Bonefish? If you want really big permit, the biggest are found in Ascension Bay on the Yucatan Penninsula of Mexico (Carribean side).  There is currently a world record pending from the area.   I fished there in June and stayed at the Ascension Bay Bonefish Club (great place for small parties – no more than a max of 6).  Joe Sugura is an excellent host.  Did a lot of looking and almost no casting to permit (one cast 5 feet behind a permit as he left the area).  One of the guys that week took 5 permit the biggest being around 26 lbs.  On the last day my fishing partner got off about a dozen casts to two permit that were over 30 lbs ( if only I’d been on the other side of the boat!). Kaufmann’s book is way off in its description of permit fishing in the area.  They have a great picture in the lodge of a triple on Permit (this is real unusual). Bonefish are plentiful there, but not nearly so big as the singles and doubles you’ll find in florida.   They make up for it by traveling in schools.  Some beautiful flats fishing. Food was great by the way. You can contact them through Fishing International (1-800-950-4242).                                        Good Fishing,                                               Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Can anyone tell me where is the best lodge to goto for BIG Permit & Bonefish? Robert Wong                        1993 Honda Civic Si Hatchback                                          Advanced Timing Visit My New & Improved Homepage  http://www.gate.net/~foxer           Atkid – 48 days – down 20

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Can anyone tell me where is the best lodge to goto for BIG Permit & Bonefish? Robert Wong                        1993 Honda Civic Si Hatchback                                         Advanced Timing Visit My New & Improved Homepage http://www.gate.net/~foxer           Atkid – 48 days – down 20

I think the biggest permit are caught in southern Florida. They catch pretty nice ones in Ascension Bay, Yucatan, Mexico. I think the biggest average size for bones is in southern Florida and the Bahamas. They are both very difficult on a fly and I would recommend working your way up the ladder by fishing for more plentiful, smaller fish that are much easier to catch. Personally, that is what I have been doing for the past fifteen years. Call us and we can tell you about many flats destinations. 800/4000FLY William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi,   Sage now owns Lamson. Give them a call at 1-800-533-3004 and ask for Lamson Repairs and they will take care of you. Tight Lines, Jim, NV Jim’s Outdoor Sports, Elko, NV

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Sage took over Lamson and your reel is warranteed for life by sage.   Contact them. cheers gp

: I have a Lamson reel that has never been used.  When loading fly line on : the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out.  It is simple : affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that : clicks as the clogs turn.  What appears to be the screw came out and I : cannoth get it to hold.  The drag still works so the reel still functions : but I would like to produce sound as it was made. : Lamson has gone out of business.  Does anyone have any idea where I might : get this repaired? — gp

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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used.  When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out.  It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn.  What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold.  The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business.  Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?

Actually, the good name Lamson is alive and well but now a part of through them, a suitable dealer/repair facility referral seems very likely. Regards,          Rx F Fish "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used.  When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out.  It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn.  What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold.  The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business.  Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?

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I have a Lamson reel that has never been used.  When loading fly line on the unit that creates the clicking sound (pahl?) fell out.  It is simple affair with a small screw that holds a triangular piece of metal that clicks as the clogs turn.  What appears to be the screw came out and I cannoth get it to hold.  The drag still works so the reel still functions but I would like to produce sound as it was made. Lamson has gone out of business.  Does anyone have any idea where I might get this repaired?

Sage now owns Lamson, and are still producing the LP series of reels. David B.

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ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR A GOOD GUIDE FOR BONEFISH IN THE KEYS AROUND THE MARATHON AREA??  THANKS

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Give a call to Capt. Geoff Colmes at 305-853-0741 or 305 451-8911.  This guy works hard and will get you onto fish.  Good luck! Clay

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I’d suggest Captain Craig Brewer in Islamarado.  I fished with him a couple of times for bones and tarpon.  Excellent guide who really goes the extra mile to put you on the fish.  Don’t have Craig’s number handy but I’m sure he’s listed.  If you speak to him, please say hello from me and my fishing buddy Reed Guice. David Sheffield Los Angeles

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Captain Craig Brewer is a very capable guide but a jerk.  If you are not an accomplished caster, try someone else. He yelled at my 72-year-old father, a fly fisherman for 50 years,  for casting to 1:00 rather than 2:00 .Brewer ruined our outing.

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I would suggest u call Sandy Moret at Florida Keys Fly Fishing School in Islamorada. He can put u on a good guide. Tell him your experience level and type fish you want to try..  If this is ur first time in the salt I would suggest that u tell him u want to wade fish. Believe me it is much easier than fishing from a skiff the first time or two. U are not dependent on the guide getting the boat into a position for you. Also u are not going to be able to cast as far as u would like on the first trip. Above all practice ur double haul and practice in the wind. Good luck. Jack Schmitt Cumberland Transit Flyfishing Nashville, Tenn. A 30 Year veteran of the salt.

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Captain Craig Brewer is a very capable guide but a jerk.  If you are not an accomplished caster, try someone else. He yelled at my 72-year-old father, a fly fisherman for 50 years,  for casting to 1:00 rather than 2:00 .Brewer ruined our outing.

With so many good guides in the Keys, there is just no good reason to fish with a horses ass. Try Bill Massey out of Islamorada.  I fished with him the day before that hurricane hit Fla. in early June.  He put me on several tarpon, but we couldn’t connect.  When it became clear we couldn’t fish any of his best spots because of the high waves, wind and rain, he suggested that the best bet might be to face reality and call it a day after 3 hours.  We settled on a reasonable fee.  I appreciated not having a guide drive me around on a boat or have me cast to barren water all day just to make a buck.

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Good words aboout Massey…he knows you’ll come back.. And he does put you on fish..Don’t anyone tell him this is on here….don’t want his head to swell

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all the streams and rivers i visited were totally blown out, all are at max capacity and downright dangerous.  Ask again in a month. chico phil

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Anyone have a report on opening weekend in the No. CA areas such as Trinity River, Pit River, Hat Creek, Fall River, etc.? Richard

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Anyone have a report on opening weekend in the No. CA areas such as Trinity River, Pit River, Hat Creek, Fall River, etc.? Richard

Not exactly, but here’s a report on davis/frenchman lakes: I chose to try Lake Davis instead of fighting crowds and torrents on the streams. The main body of water was ice-free and the boat ramp had been plowed; but there was still ice in some of the coves.  Heavy rain and wind drummed on my truck roof early morning saturday; I stayed warm and cozy and read a few chapters of Moby Dick. I wadered up and tried to fish but it was too rough and murky, visibility less than a foot, so I headed downhill to seek alternatives. The creeks draining Davis and Frenchman lakes were both clear enough to fish, flowing high and medium green, and many people but few flyfishers were fishing them. I arrived at Frenchman lake and tubered around some arms with streams flowing in. The weather was much nicer, just occasional gusts and brief spots of rain at midday. Visibility was around 4-5 feet, surface temperature 45f.  A few small black midges were evident on the surface.  I tried a two-fly rig of a #16 red chironomid and a #14 bead-head hare’s ear and caught two nice trout, about 16 and 18 inches, one on each fly.  All fins were intact and they had a rosy glow; I think they were wild trout and released them. The rain picked up a bit and wind got worse and I could no longer see bugs on the surface and wasn’t getting hits on the nymphs anymore. I tried purple, black and olive wooly buggers but had no more action.   I gave up before the late evening and headed home, satisfied and curious to return under better conditions.  Davis and Frenchman are not as far as they seem; access is within 1-1/2 to 1 hour from Reno. Both have plenty of coves that offer the tuber some protection from the common winds. The scenery on the road to Frenchman is beautiful – globular volcanic rock formations with caves and curves carved by the creek. I’ll put it on my list of places to sketch, sometime when it stops raining. Mark Vinsel PS – anyone try Hot Creek or the Owens? Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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