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You’ve never heard of George Harvey ?!?? If you fish dries with a hand-built leader, you’re probably using a Harvey leader formula. He’s one of the giants of fly fishing. If you’ve never heard of him, perhaps you should get out more. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

Here in central PA we have a high regard for George.  I’m glad to hear he’s well thought of way out in Wyhoming, too. vince norris

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Here in central PA we have a high regard for George.  I’m glad to hear he’s well thought of way out in Wyhoming, too.

Who do Pennsylvanians hold in higher regard – Joe Humphreys or George Harvey?

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Since I was just skimming ROFF, it took me a while to realize that the G man was actually recounting an interaction with someone else named "George" when he posted the snippets included below. (snip) Primo stuff, George! I always suspected you referred to yourself in the third person .

You’ve never heard of George Harvey ?!?? If you fish dries with a hand-built leader, you’re probably using a Harvey leader formula. He’s one of the giants of fly fishing. If you’ve never heard of him, perhaps you should get out more. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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You’ve never heard of George Harvey ?!?? He’s one of the giants of fly fishing. If you’ve never heard of him, perhaps you should get out more.

‘Twas only intended as a riff on a momentary misread of a G.G. post, Rusty. But, hey, if you’re volunteering to get me out more often — especially to a happenin’ bar where the chicks are all ready to discuss George Harvey leader formulas for the price of a shot of Yukon Jack and a beer back  – I’m on the next plane to Laramie, a copy of Leader Calc on a floppy diskette in my shirt pocket and Ernie Harrison’s Blood Knot Machine on a lanyard around my neck. We’ll slay ‘em Rusty…just slay ‘em! get me to a brewery, – sid

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Tom?  I only wish I could remember all the numbers and percentages he laid on me.  He had a lot to say about it.  I told Mr. G.H. I would understand it better seeing it in print. Again, like you said, Sir Harvey is a very interesting man.  I’m interested in this new idea of his also. Mr.G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GG describing G Harvey: George’s eyesight is failing as the clinic screwed up one eye when removing a cataracts, so he has lost some depth perception and cannot tie flies for very long before the eye strain becomes singular vision. Despite this, and other ravages of age, the man still is one of the highlights of the annual flytying symposium here in the East. Truly, one of the greats of fly fishing and tying. I will be interested to see his new thinking on leaders, as I use his older formulae for my dry fly leaders(or a cheesy approximation of them). I am not sure that S-curves should flow continuously from line through leader, as it sets up too much slack. I think his original idea, which yields a lot of slack in the last 3 feet of the leader, works quite well. However, anything this man has to say will be of interest.                               Tom L

– (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Brutes lives!

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GG describing G Harvey: George’s eyesight is failing as the clinic screwed up one eye when removing a cataracts, so he has lost some depth perception and cannot tie flies for very long before the eye strain becomes singular vision.

Despite this, and other ravages of age, the man still is one of the highlights of the annual flytying symposium here in the East. Truly, one of the greats of fly fishing and tying. I will be interested to see his new thinking on leaders, as I use his older formulae for my dry fly leaders(or a cheesy approximation of them). I am not sure that S-curves should flow continuously from line through leader, as it sets up too much slack. I think his original idea, which yields a lot of slack in the last 3 feet of the leader, works quite well. However, anything this man has to say will be of interest.                               Tom L

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Since I was just skimming ROFF, it took me a while to realize that the G man was actually recounting an interaction with someone else named "George" when he posted the snippets included below. Oddly enough, the whole passage reads more believably as the Ginkster’s perpetual internal dialogue momentarily externalized for the rest of us to wonder at. When read this way, the entire post takes on the slightly narcotic quality of a daily affirmation, repeated daily in the mirror, the better to weather the slings and arrows of outrageous roffians. Primo stuff, George! I always suspected you referred to yourself in the third person . – sid – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Imagine it!?"  I told George, I just tied a complete Royal Wulff on a size #32 dry fly hook on a dare!  He chuckled and said, we must fish together this year. "I’ll see you May or June, George." "I’ll save the room for you George.  Can’t wait." "We can even tie flies together again," he offered. George’s eyesight is failing as the clinic screwed up one eye when removing a cataracts, so he has lost some depth perception and cannot tie flies for very long before the eye strain becomes singular vision. God, I love this man!  He is so precious. George

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According to George Harvey, he has developed a wonderful new formula and concept for finicky trout where one would need as much slack as possible to get a long drift without drag.  George said he wrote an article on it that will be coming out soon in Flyfisherman’s Magazine.  There is a new formula he uses along with soft mono and the butt section is made of three tapering pieces and the entire leader is made from soft nylon or mono so the entire leader can be made to respond to an S-cast which now includes the entire leader besides the fly line.   Mr. Harvey called me this morning to discuss other matters, and he also owns a Bastard Bamboo which he will be using opening day next week in PA. Where he fishes, he reported that one of the large fish he has seen in the past died of natural causes.  It was measured at 32.5 inches and weighted over 12 pounds besides being a LARGE Rainbow.  A fish that, for any fly fisherman, would be a trophy of a life time.  "Imagine it!?"  I told George, I just tied a complete Royal Wulff on a size #32 dry fly hook on a dare!  He chuckled and said, we must fish together this year. "I’ll see you May or June, George." "I’ll save the room for you George.  Can’t wait." "We can even tie flies together again," he offered. George’s eyesight is failing as the clinic screwed up one eye when removing a cataracts, so he has lost some depth perception and cannot tie flies for very long before the eye strain becomes singular vision. God, I love this man!  He is so precious. George — http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive.

Hey Mark, help me out here.  Why are you choosing the Bravo 3 outdrive for a twin engine application?  What advantage is there as compared to any of the less expensive alternatives? Who builds that engine?  It sounds like a great engine for that application. Regards, Tom Brown

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                        *** big snip *** Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/ You’re getting a really cool boat…I love its looks. — Harry Krause

Thanks Harry.  I’m not too sure about the looks.  I kinda like the looks of a boat with a well appointed fly bridge better.  However, the boat *should* be really functional and they *are* extremely stable fishing platforms and that means a lot more to me than looks.  (besides the fact that they are "hell-built" for stout!) Still having trouble deciding on colors and a name for her.  The wife and I have decided (with a little coaching from the builder) to paint the cabin the same grey as the pictures show and we are going to go with a black back deck.  I thought something lighter, but Andy says that the black deck is a lot easier to maintain.  I personally think that when the sun shines on it the back deck is going to get awful warm!  Whatever we decide … No White in the work area!!  Makes my tired old eyes hurt!  ;) -mArk-  (who finds naming a boat harder than naming kids!  ;))

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Andy will set them up with almost any type of power that you want.  The one he just finished building (basicly the same boat I’m getting) had twin Cummins with jet pumps type outdrives.  I don’t know if he has build one that is a true inboard yet, but he has been talking about it.  It’s just a matter of what the customer wants.  He’s *very* flexible. I looked at several different engines before I picked the merCruisers.  I had originally picked the Volvo 6cyl. diesel, but Andy told me that there had been quite a few warranty issues (new engines that needed work) and that Volvo had not been real good about honoring the warranty.  He said that having your new boat have to go in right away for engine work kind of soured the whole boat buying process and suggested that I go with the merCruiser for dependability sake. Andy worked out a deal with the merCruiser dealer to get the engines at the same price as those from Volvo.  They usually cost about $2000 an issue more. The Cummins engines are like $10k more.  Kinda outa my price range! -mArk-                          (not speaking for the company) Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/

You’re getting a really cool boat…I love its looks. — Harry Krause I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family. -GW Bush

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Wow-Cooool Cat ! What’s the power ? Do they offer inboards in a catamaran ? Doug Miller

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it. I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits. He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Hey Mark, help me out here.  Why are you choosing the Bravo 3 outdrive for a twin engine application?  What advantage is there as compared to any of the less expensive alternatives? Who builds that engine?  It sounds like a great engine for that application. Regards, Tom Brown

Hi Tom.  It’s another one of those hell-built-for-stout things that I’m so hung up on.  I want equiptment that won’t fail (or at least has less chance of failure) when I’m a hundred miles from shore.  There is also the fact that the twin props give you a little more umph.  Besides, Andy catagoricly refuses to use "cheap" stuff on his boats.  He only wants to use the best he can get in any given class.  The Bravo 3 is much stouter than any of the Alpha drives and actually has quite a few design improvements over the Bravo 1 & 2 outdrives. I believe Andy told me that the engine blocks actually come from Isuzu (sp?). All the bolt on stuff is Mercury specific.  I just hope these engines are as bullet proof (idiot proof??  ;)) as I’ve been led to believe.  I spent a lot of time researching both the merCruiser and the Volvo diesel offerings and they seemed pretty close.  Part of the decision was based on the builders recommondation (and I trust Andy a lot … known him for a lot of years!). -mArk-   (who beleives that down fishing time means lost revenue)

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Andy will set them up with almost any type of power that you want.  The one he just finished building (basicly the same boat I’m getting) had twin Cummins with jet pumps type outdrives.  I don’t know if he has build one that is a true inboard yet, but he has been talking about it.  It’s just a matter of what the customer wants.  He’s *very* flexible. I looked at several different engines before I picked the merCruisers.  I had originally picked the Volvo 6cyl. diesel, but Andy told me that there had been quite a few warranty issues (new engines that needed work) and that Volvo had not been real good about honoring the warranty.  He said that having your new boat have to go in right away for engine work kind of soured the whole boat buying process and suggested that I go with the merCruiser for dependability sake. Andy worked out a deal with the merCruiser dealer to get the engines at the same price as those from Volvo.  They usually cost about $2000 an issue more. The Cummins engines are like $10k more.  Kinda outa my price range! -mArk-                          (not speaking for the company) Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow-Cooool Cat ! What’s the power ? Do they offer inboards in a catamaran ? Doug Miller Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it. I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits. He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk- Sounds woodlike. What is she? — Harry Krause Naw … we’ve talked about this one a little before … it’s an aluminum Catamaran style hull with twin merCrusier 6cyl. diesels.  Pictures at: http://www.maxweldboats.com The picture on the first page is a 27′ version of what my boat is going to be.  You looked at this one once before and told me that you’d feel safe about going out to sea in a boat like that … -mArk-

You are correct. When you started discussing bulkheads and frame, I immediately thought of wood. — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk- Sounds woodlike. What is she? — Harry Krause

Naw … we’ve talked about this one a little before … it’s an aluminum Catamaran style hull with twin merCrusier 6cyl. diesels.  Pictures at: http://www.maxweldboats.com The picture on the first page is a 27′ version of what my boat is going to be.  You looked at this one once before and told me that you’d feel safe about going out to sea in a boat like that … -mArk-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

Sounds woodlike. What is she? — Harry Krause This case has had full analyzation and has been looked at a lot. I understand the emotionality of death penalty cases. Dubya Dense

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Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so.

Unless you’re hiding something, why would you NOT want the FAA guy to look at your logbook? We were ramped a few months ago, and it was a complete non-event.   He looked at the airworthiness certificate, my Private certificate, my medical, and wished us a fond farewell.   It took all of about 90 seconds. If he had asked for my logbook (which lives in the seatback pocket, right along with the POH), he would have been welcome to peruse it as well. You guys gotta stop being so paranoid about these FAA guys — they’re not Nazis, ya know! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

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Jay, Because other than to show currency for the flight, he has no right to ask for it.  I’m not paranoid about the FAA, I get along well with most all of them I meet.  But I still won’t just give them anything they demand on a ramp check either if they have no right to see it.  Your freedoms get eroded in your attitude first.  Just one guy’s opinion. — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so. Unless you’re hiding something, why would you NOT want the FAA guy to look at your logbook? We were ramped a few months ago, and it was a complete non-event.   He looked at the airworthiness certificate, my Private certificate, my medical, and wished us a fond farewell.   It took all of about 90 seconds. If he had asked for my logbook (which lives in the seatback pocket, right along with the POH), he would have been welcome to peruse it as well. You guys gotta stop being so paranoid about these FAA guys — they’re not Nazis, ya know! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

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I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive? Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?  How about your medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything? Just curious.  Thanks.

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What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing?

It’s a hassle, but not fatal. Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?  

I do.  For one, my logbook sits locked in a fire resistant box at home. It never goes anywhere unless absolutely necessary, which isn’t often anymore. How about your medical, your license?

Don’t worry about those.  Okie City can fax you a temporary replacement in no time, and that’s good until they send you a permanent replacement.  A photocopy won’t fly, though. In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything?

Yes, it would. Larry Fransson Pilots are just plane people with a different air about them.

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Hi David keep in mind the regs only require you to show proof of recency, or, required time for a rating. That includes the flight review and or endorsements. If you are a rated pilot, you do not have to carry your logbook with you. In fact, I advise against it. Some may argue the point of copies, but in absence of any "written" record, what can you produce to show experience or recency? The time you show when you get your physical? I do know of one pilot that used that to show time for insurance purposes. I found an old logbook that dated back into the mid-50’s with the usual student pilot observations of how smooth a landing was, or a place with great burgers, or whatever. To lose one that records your early days as a pilot is a real loss beyond value. One of my entries recorded the first moon landing and my feelings. Another recorded the first dead stick landing of the shuttle. My first spin, my first X-C, not sure where I was over uncharted territory in the Amazon back in the early 60’s, getting caught in a huge sand storm in the Bayuda Desert in Egypt, recording some of the rich and famous I had on board on different flights. I also have quite a few temporary licenses taped into the logs that date back into the 50’s. Fond memories all….well most are!! So, leave the book at home if you don’t have to carry it along. And, if anyone ever asks you to give it up for FAA action or something similar, DON’T DO IT lest you never see it again. At that point you let an aviation attorney take care of the nuances. Remember, whatever you put in that logbook can be declared a legal document and while it can show you complied, it may also send them on a fishing expedition and hammer you for something stupid and unrelated! Been there-done that…. Fly Safe and remember..deny, Deny DENY!! FlyinRock – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive? Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?  How about your medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything? Just curious.  Thanks.

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Use pages in the back of your logbook to record BFR/IRCC and other such currency flights/training.  Don’t carry your logbook…if ramped, copy and send only those pages to FAA. Government is too big and has developed a bad attitude about our rights, it is time for everybody to demand full liberty in our personal affairs.  Two guys at least have similar opinion. — Jim Macklin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jay, Because other than to show currency for the flight, he has no right to ask for it.  I’m not paranoid about the FAA, I get along well with most all of them I meet.  But I still won’t just give them anything they demand on a ramp check either if they have no right to see it.  Your freedoms get eroded in your attitude first.  Just one guy’s opinion. — John Stricker "I didn’t spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to be a vegetarian" Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so. Unless you’re hiding something, why would you NOT want the FAA guy to look at your logbook? We were ramped a few months ago, and it was a complete non-event.   He looked at the airworthiness certificate, my Private certificate, my medical, and wished us a fond farewell.   It took all of about 90 seconds. If he had asked for my logbook (which lives in the seatback pocket, right along with the POH), he would have been welcome to peruse it as well. You guys gotta stop being so paranoid about these FAA guys — they’re not Nazis, ya know! — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431

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Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?

Absolutely.  I XEROXed mine.  The FAA is pretty lenient about reconstructing lost logbooks.  A XEROX will do fine.  They’ve let people account for time based on old FBO records and receipts. How about your medical, your license?

I keep these in my wallet.  Lost my wallet once.   Phone the FAA and they will FAX you temporaries.  Getting my Driver’s License replaced was harder (not to mention calling all the credit card companies).

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medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything?

Yep, it would. I keep a copy of my logbook on excel, and also have scans of my logbook. Every few months I burn them into a CD and stick them in the bank safety deposit box. Cheap insurance…… -dave

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What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? All good reasons NOT to carry your logbook. Why would you want to? The only time I take it with me is on vacation – in case I want to rent an airplane.

Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so. == Do not reply to "from" address.  (Sorry, this is an anti-spam measure.) ==

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What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? All good reasons NOT to carry your logbook. Why would you want to? The only time I take it with me is on vacation – in case I want to rent an airplane. Another good reason NOT to carry your logbook:  If you are ramp-checked, the FAA rep can ask to see your log book.  If you don’t have it with you, you can just say so.

If you DO have it with you, you can likewise say no. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -== Do not reply to "from" address.  (Sorry, this is an anti-spam measure.) ==

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I scan my logbook pages and burn the images onto cdroms as well. More than one cdrom too, copies stored in multiple locations (at home + at office). Each time a fill up a new page in the book, a couple of new cdroms will get created. I plan to copy partial pages to floppies kept with the cdroms (again, redundant copies since a floppy can get zapped too easily). Also  I keep copies of all images on my hard drive on my PC too. My PC stays in a state of perpetual backup. I use a hardware mirroring FastTrak-66 disk drive interface card and have a pair of identical, mirrored disk drives in my pc. Nothing beats having mirrored disks in case one fails. Been there, done that and the cost of the card $75 plus a second 20GB disk $150 is very cheap insurance, besides backing up 20GB of disk contents to tape every night is too much of a hassle. About once a month, all my critical files on the mirrored hard drive pair get copied to cdroms too. DB_Wan_Kenobi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – your medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything? Yep, it would. I keep a copy of my logbook on excel, and also have scans of my logbook. Every few months I burn them into a CD and stick them in the bank safety deposit box. Cheap insurance…… -dave

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Organizers make great logbooks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? All good reasons NOT to carry your logbook. Why would you want to? The only time I take it with me is on vacation – in case I want to rent an airplane. Part of the checkout procedure usually involves checking regulatory recency and recent flight experience. ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive? Every night. I have a simple batch routine that tales all my data files, zips them up, and dumps them on a zip drive. I also have a computerized logbook, so that I have a "reliable record" in case I need to reconstruct my logbook.    (o)/       Denver, Colorado    o O o       www.midlifeflight.com       email? replace "spamaway" with "mkolber"

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I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing?

All good reasons NOT to carry your logbook. Why would you want to? The only time I take it with me is on vacation – in case I want to rent an airplane. Part of the checkout procedure usually involves checking regulatory recency and recent flight experience. ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive?

Every night. I have a simple batch routine that tales all my data files, zips them up, and dumps them on a zip drive. I also have a computerized logbook, so that I have a "reliable record" in case I need to reconstruct my logbook.     (o)/       Denver, Colorado     o O o       www.midlifeflight.com       email? replace "spamaway" with "mkolber"

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I recommend the following: 1) Don’t carry your logbook with you unless it’s absolutely necessary. There is no requirement for having your logbook along with you on most flights (unless you’re a Recreational Pilot).  Keep the logbook in a safe place at your home or office. 2) Make copies of any endorsements in the logbook.  i.e. Endorsements recommending you for checkrides and/or written tests.  Endorsements for operation of high performance airplane, complex airplane, tailwheel airplane, etc. This is a "just in case" measure, to protect you from loss of the logbook due to fire, theft, flood, etc.  It’s fairly simple if not easy to reconstruct the flying time in a logbook, but it can sometimes be impossible to replace the endorsements. 3) Use an "electronic logbook" as a backup for your hard copy log.  I have two separate computer logbooks in addition to my actual logbook(s), so if either is lost I can use the other to reconstruct.  NOTE – the computer logbook will not have the endorsements in it that the hard copy does.  See #2.  Another advantage of a computer log is that it’s easily searchable. When you need to know how much time you have in different categories/classes/types or even specific airplanes, a computer logbook can give you that info in seconds and can save you a bunch of hunting around in your paper logbook. 4) Have fun and fly safely! Joe Norris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I usually take my logbook with me when I go flying.  I’m careful with it, but probably not careful enough.  I’ve been thinking…. What happens if someone steals my flightbag with my logbook? What happens if I drop my logbook in a puddle and all the inked entries run and become unreadable? What happens if my dog eats it? What happens if I just lose the damn thing? ….and in a related question…. When was the last time you backed up your hard drive? Is it appropriate to "back up" your logbook?  How about your medical, your license?  What do you do to safeguard your logbook?  If it’s lost of damaged, what does that mean?  Should you Xerox you logbook it once in a while as a backup?  In the event of a logbook disaster, would a photocopy mean anything? Just curious.  Thanks.

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    Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’

Alabama Hills (very hot in summer) Mono Lake Lee Vining Creek Yosemite Hot Creek Use your eyes and you will find plenty. — http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/

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Having just gotten back from there I would add Bodie state park if you like ghost towns. I would also recommend a couple of sites at mono lake 1.  The south toufa (sp?) walk and tour 2.  The panum crater walk and tour. of course you can’t go wrong with anything in Yosemite. Make sure you have a place to stay before you go. btb

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –     Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’ Alabama Hills (very hot in summer) Mono Lake Lee Vining Creek Yosemite Hot Creek Use your eyes and you will find plenty. — http://www.fnet.net/~ellis/photo/

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(2) Best guide book for photo trip to Eastern Sierra    Any feedback/suggestions are appreciated. Ronald

Take a look at California’s Eastern Sierra, A Vistor’s Guide by Sue Irwin (Cachuma Press). Good photos and info and only $18. Claude

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Ronald, The Eastern Sierra is beautiful any time ofyear or day.  I suggest starting at one end of the Owens Valley and work your way through it, using your imagination.  You will no doubt find some spots of your own that are just as good or better than any that can be recommended. Bob Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Come on over to my website and check out my sections on Mono Lake, Rock Creek, and the White Mountains. That will give you some ideas for shooting. I have some commentary there also in the different sections pertaining to those locations. http://www.californiapictures.com It is a good time now to shoot wildflowers in Mammoth Lakes. Go to Reds Meadow early, I mean early or you can’t drive your car. They will make you ride the trams after 6:30AM. They are trying to keep the traffic out. Dale Proctor * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Everyone has talked about Mono Lake, personally I haven’t been there, been close.  That is on a list of to-go places, however, I’ve been to Bodie which is a ghost town.  I think it is one of the nicest ghost towns that I’ve been to and would recommend it to others. Would need to gage your timing for lighting, etc. * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Hi, Mono Lake is, without question, unique. But there are many other places of charm and beauty. On the web, start at http://www.395.com  This will give you links to about every place you’ll want to visit. It all depends on your tastes of course. In the Mammoth Lakes area, there are many opportunities to shoot wild flowers. Also consider Devil’s Postpile and Rainbow falls. The lakes basin is also nice with long and short hikes of various degrees of difficulty. The Mammoth Ranger Station can be very helpful! South of Mammoth Lakes you will find Convict Lake (morning shot), Hot Creek geo-thermal area (and fly fishing), McGee creek, and Little Lakes Valley. Little Lakes Valley is a very nice walk, spectacular at times, and not too strenuous, despite the high elevation. North of Mammoth is Lundy Canyon, fantastic in the fall.  The June Lake loop is another possibiliby, just south of Lee Vining. Lee Vining is, of course, where you will find Mono Lake as well as the eastern entrance to Yosemite via Tioga Pass. This is a fantastic road, an engineering feat (and perfectly safe), with grand vistas to the east. Tuolomne Meadows, just a few miles inside the park will give you a taste of granit domes. Before the park entrace is a road to the right (north) that takes you to Saddle Bag Lake. North of Lee Vining, about 5 mi before you get to Bridgeport, is the turn off to Bodie. Great pictures here! But watch the sun. The park is open from 9:00 am to 7:00 pm in the summer. You can shoot in August until about 10:30 am and then again after about 3:30. When the sun is low you get wonderful colors in the wooden buildings. When the sun is high, you can try to take some interiors through windows. Shooting anywhere in the Eastern Sierra generally requires a polarizer (but be careful; if you polarize to strongly the sky will turn almost black). Also, because of the altitude and thin atmosphere there is a lot of blue coming through. A 81A or 81B (better) will give you truer colors. One last tip. Watch the dust! A lot of it is pumice and it can scratch your glass. (Actually pumice is the foam form of the black obsidion, which is  volcanic glass.)  If you are interested, I have a section on Bodie on my webpage with links to other sites. (I’m in the process of re-doing the sections on Sierra Wild Flowers and the Eastern Sierra.)  http://toms_place_2.tripod.com Enjoy your trip! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –      Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’ (2) Best guide book for photo trip to Eastern Sierra     Any feedback/suggestions are appreciated. Ronald

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     Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’ (2) Best guide book for photo trip to Eastern Sierra     Any feedback/suggestions are appreciated. Ronald

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Mono LAke. If it is no #1 then it is #2 or 3. Shoot at sunrise. GO th day before to scope out the area then come back for sunrise. With a little luch you will have clouds inte western sky andit will explode with color. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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     Hi, I have never been in eastern Sierra area, but I am planning to make a photo trip to there soon. Shooting landscape is the major purpose of my trip. My question to you are: (1) ‘What are the top 10 places you think a landscape photographer must visit and shoot?’

Besides putting Mono Lake at the top of the list, here are some ideas in no particular order: – Mono Lake   See my "East of the Sierra" web gallery for some images from Mono Lake   (http://www.designsinlight.com/gallery.htm) – Alambama Hills   Near Lone Pine and Mt. Whitney, and where many westerns were shot. – White & Inyo Mountains – Bristlecone Pine forest   Some of the oldest living things in the world (4000+ years) and very cool looking   Some info: http://www.sonic.net/bristlecone/WhiteMts.html – Bodie ghost town – June Lake One meteorlogical feature to keep an eye out for is lenticular clouds. They form where there is a strong, steady wind blowing over mountains, in places like Owens Valley east of the Sierra Nevada. They can make for some spectacular skies, especially at sunrise or sunset. Have fun! It’s a beautiful part of the world. gene — Gene Anderson http://www.designsinlight.com/

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______  RW?  I want to talk to you at: — http://www.gink.com/chat If you are up.  I’m going there now. George

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Ernie, I’ve seen these but have never had the guts to use them.  Do they stay in the flyline when you hook a big fish?  They look like they would slip out.

Vern; This topic comes up every few weeks here.  If you do a Deja News search you can find quite a bit of discussion of it over the past year or so.  It seems that Ernie and I are the biggest fans of leader links.  I’ve used them for over fifteen years, as have a number of my friends.  I know of no case in which they have failed, except when they are so old that repeated dragging over rocks etc., has abraded them badly.  Of course, any knot used to attach a leader to the fly line would have fared just as badly. Like anything else, a leader link has a finite useable life.  But bearing that in mind they are very reliable, cheap, and easy to use, and should be more than adequate for anything less demanding than large salt water species.  I’ve personally caught quite a few steelhead and salmon while rigged with leader links and never had a problem. Someone else recently suggested knotting the ends of the leader and line together before reinserting them into the leader link.  This is unnecessary for most applications but can’t hurt if you can actually tie a knot small enough.

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Vern,    They are surprisingly strong.  The only thing to watch out for is to tie a figure 8 knot or double overhand when attaching leader butt’s with diameters of .017 or less to make a larger knot.  You should check the line where it enters the Leader Link vocationally to see that it hasn’t cracked. They seem to last forever, I have worn out lines and moved the Leader Link to a new line.  Changing leaders is so easy that I replace the whole leader rather than tie on a new tippet while I am fishing.  I save the leaders and rebuild them when I am not fishing. Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ernie, I’ve seen these but have never had the guts to use them. Do they stay in the flyline when you hook a big fish? They look like they would slip out. Vern Don,    Try using the Leader Link from Eagle Claw. Eagle Claw Country Store Phone 1-800-628-0108 4245 East 46th Avenue Denver Colorado 80216 Leader Link For tapered lines (LL1) For level lines     (LL2) There are 3 links per package and cost $2.83 per pack.

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Are you guys differentiating between the kind that slip over and the kind that poke through (with barbs) the end of your flyline?……john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Vern,   They are surprisingly strong.  The only thing to watch out for is to tie a figure 8 knot or double overhand when attaching leader butt’s with diameters of .017 or less to make a larger knot.  You should check the line where it enters the Leader Link vocationally to see that it hasn’t cracked. They seem to last forever, I have worn out lines and moved the Leader Link to a new line.  Changing leaders is so easy that I replace the whole leader rather than tie on a new tippet while I am fishing.  I save the leaders and rebuild them when I am not fishing. Ernie Harrison Ernie, I’ve seen these but have never had the guts to use them. Do they stay in the flyline when you hook a big fish? They look like they would slip out. Vern Don,    Try using the Leader Link from Eagle Claw. Eagle Claw Country Store Phone 1-800-628-0108 4245 East 46th Avenue Denver Colorado 80216 Leader Link For tapered lines (LL1) For level lines     (LL2) There are 3 links per package and cost $2.83 per pack.

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John,    A Leader Link looks like a large grain of rice with a hole drilled through the center lengthwise and with the sides cut out in the middle. Your line slides into the hole in one end and out the hole in the side,  You tie an overhand knot in it, trim off the excess and pull it back through the hole in the side.  Then you do the same with your leader in the hole in the other end. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you guys differentiating between the kind that slip over and the kind that poke through (with barbs) the end of your flyline?……john

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ahhhh….those rascals……thanks….john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -John,   A Leader Link looks like a large grain of rice with a hole drilled through the center lengthwise and with the sides cut out in the middle. Your line slides into the hole in one end and out the hole in the side, You tie an overhand knot in it, trim off the excess and pull it back through the hole in the side.  Then you do the same with your leader in the hole in the other end. Ernie Are you guys differentiating between the kind that slip over and the kind that poke through (with barbs) the end of your flyline?……john

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I’ve been experimenting with different connections between my fly line and leader.  My local flyshop has a habit of tying a perfection loop into a line and then using a loop-to-loop connection but if I’m going to get a wind knot that’s where it will happen 90% of the time.  I’ve taken recently to tying a short section (18") of butt directly to the end of the line using a nail knot, then tying in a tapered leader, then tying in a tippet.  I end up clipping off a 1/2" of line anytime I have to change out that butt section which is more often than I’d like. Any other suggestions? TIA, Don — Don Anderson

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going to get a wind knot that’s where it will happen 90% of the time.  I’ve taken recently to tying a short section (18") of butt directly to the end of the line using a nail knot, then tying in a tapered leader, then tying in a tippet.  I end up clipping off a 1/2" of line anytime I have to change out that butt

Don, I wonder how many posts you are going to get like this one. You know, where your question is addressed but no advice given? Myself, I use the perfection not on both the butt section and the leader.  I like the way it forms the loop to loop as far as turn over goes.  Less likelihood of the ‘hinging effect.’ I do recall this question coming up a long time ago and I saved the question and all of the answers….course I lost a whole big file of stuff while learning some of the various functions of my computer.  And I don’t remember what the answer was….I think it had something to do with casting…in order to avoid the knots. I must have retained something on a subconscious level because it moved the knots down into the tippet section. All I know is that it’s a real pickle trying to flyfish with a short term

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Hi Don, I like to first needle nail knot a new tapered knotless monofilament leader directly to the end of my flyline. I am actually ’snelling’ on the leader. Then after I have used up all the taper by adding tippet material, I cut the leader at about 12 to 18 inches from the flyline and then attach another tapered leader. This gives me the same diameter and the same constancy of monofilament. You can shorten the new leader by cutting 12 to 18 inches from the butt before tying it on. This is not ‘thee way to do it’, but just another way to do it. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop http://www.kiene.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been experimenting with different connections between my fly line and leader.  My local flyshop has a habit of tying a perfection loop into a line and then using a loop-to-loop connection but if I’m going to get a wind knot that’s where it will happen 90% of the time.  I’ve taken recently to tying a short section (18") of butt directly to the end of the line using a nail knot, then tying in a tapered leader, then tying in a tippet.  I end up clipping off a 1/2" of line anytime I have to change out that butt section which is more often than I’d like. Any other suggestions? TIA, Don — Don Anderson

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Don,    Try using the Leader Link from Eagle Claw. Eagle Claw Country Store Phone 1-800-628-0108 4245 East 46th Avenue Denver Colorado 80216 Leader Link For tapered lines (LL1) For level lines     (LL2) There are 3 links per package and cost $2.83 per pack. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve been experimenting with different connections between my fly line and leader.  My local flyshop has a habit of tying a perfection loop into a line and then using a loop-to-loop connection but if I’m going to get a wind knot that’s where it will happen 90% of the time.  I’ve taken recently to tying a short section (18") of butt directly to the end of the line using a nail knot, then tying in a tapered leader, then tying in a tippet.  I end up clipping off a 1/2" of line anytime I have to change out that butt section which is more often than I’d like. Any other suggestions? TIA, Don — Don Anderson

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I use a nail knot to tie a butt to the leader and then I put a surgeons loop at the end of that.I use a loop to loop connection to attach the leader.I don’t like to use a loop connection to my tippet because I believe it will affect the ability of the leader to lay out straight.Art Lee recommends never using a loop anywhhere on your leader but using a uni-knot to connect which is easier to tie than a nail knot and serves the same function.I have switched to this knot and I haven’t had any problems.

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Don,    Try using the Leader Link from Eagle Claw. Eagle Claw Country Store Phone 1-800-628-0108 4245 East 46th Avenue Denver Colorado 80216 Leader Link For tapered lines (LL1) For level lines     (LL2) There are 3 links per package and cost $2.83 per pack.

Hear, Hear!  I’ve been using Leader Links for 20 years now, and wouldn’t waste my time trying anything else.  They work great, but I hardly know anybody else that uses them.  They don’t look as though they would be all that strong, but they are a hell of a lot stronger than the tippet of your leader (unless maybe you are fishing for blue marlin or something), which is all that you need. Kevin

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Hear, Hear!  I’ve been using Leader Links for 20 years now, and wouldn’t waste my time trying anything else.  They work great, but I hardly know anybody else that uses them.  They don’t look as though they would be all that strong, but they are a hell of a lot stronger than the tippet of your leader (unless maybe you are fishing for blue marlin or something), which is all that you need.

When I recommended leader links to a friend of mine in Idaho he turned up his nose at them. Said he was a "purist". I pointed out that he was using a graphite rod, a nylon leader, and a synthetic flyline. It turned out that the guy didn’t even know how to tie a nail knot or a needle knot. He had it done at the tackle shop. Sheesh! — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Ernie, I’ve seen these but have never had the guts to use them.

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If you are interested in some great spring flyfishing for stripers, contact me. I had several days with catches of 100+ on Clousers last May.

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100 fish in one day? One person catching 100 fish in one day?  Stripers? Get real. Big Al – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are interested in some great spring flyfishing for stripers, contact me. I had several days with catches of 100+ on Clousers last May.

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What no pictures ? Ohhhh, I thought you said "strippers" !! Pardon, Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are interested in some great spring flyfishing for stripers, contact me. I had several days with catches of 100+ on Clousers last May.

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Why not just post  some of the facts and let us decide for ourselves… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are interested in some great spring flyfishing for stripers, contact me. I had several days with catches of 100+ on Clousers last May.

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?   Clinchknot

 probably not. — Marty Silva P.E.T.A (People for the Ethical Termination of Antihunters) If people aren’t supposed to eat animals… then why are they made out of meat.

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?    Clinchknot

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?  

You may be fishing for the wrong fish. I won’t say that fish are particularly intelligent. But they do have a will to survive and thousands of years of genetic development to perpetuate their species. You may just be so successful that you have outgrown the resource and need to pick another diversion. You must be one awesome fishermen with several line records as well. If I were to call fish ‘dumb’ it would be a slam to myself as they regularly elude me somehow. Maybe I miss the pointof your question and it is more rhetorical. Are you by chance reflecting on the fact the EVEN THOUGH fish are dumb, you still have fun catching them. That I can not explain. Maybe a 12 step program would be helpful. I for one am not near ready to give it up. regards, J. Webb Atlanta Mac User Group

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In article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? You may be fishing for the wrong fish. I won’t say that fish are particularly intelligent. But they do have a will to survive and thousands of years of genetic development to perpetuate their species. You may just be so successful that you have outgrown the resource and need to pick another diversion. You must be one awesome fishermen with several line records as well. If I were to call fish ‘dumb’ it would be a slam to myself as they regularly elude me somehow. Maybe I miss the pointof your question and it is more rhetorical. Are you by chance reflecting on the fact the EVEN THOUGH fish are dumb, you still have fun catching them. That I can not explain. Maybe a 12 step program would be helpful. I for one am not near ready to give it up.

I know that this is a flyfishing newsgroup but I can still recognize trolling when see it. John Fereira

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?   Clinchknot

‘Cause I haven’t got  a prayer in hell of trickin’ the smart ones:)

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun?    Clinchknot         No.  Just can’t do it.  You either like it or you don’t.  It must be genetic.  You sound a little put off by such silly, trite behavior.  Get over it.  Nice troll. JE

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Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? Clinchknot

I’m A Frayed Knot. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Very clever Moe. — Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone out there explain to me why trickin dumb fish is so much fun? Clinchknot I’m A Frayed Knot. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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writes:    A lot of people are touting the blood knot.

For more interesting reading on knots, including blood knots, try the current issue of FLY FISHERMEN where their test indicate that only two knots retain 100% line strength, given current tippet materials: the Palomar and the Trilene knot. Very interesting…

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I gave up on the clinch and trilene this year because they kept pulling out on big fish, despite very cautious tying. I quit using them because I decided

Without commenting on which knots are best, let me point out that most break-offs will occur at a knot, no matter which knot you use.  The UIAA routinely tests mountaineering ropes, and this is common knowlege to such testing agencies.  It makes intuitive sense when you think about it: stress is concentrated at the bends in a knot. — -Wayne Trzyna

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  A lot of people are touting the blood knot. Blood knots are not as good as they used to be! The newer multi polymer monofilaments are so hard and slick, the blood knot (and the clinch, inproved clinch, and Trilene knots) does not bite. We have a very sophisticated (read expensive) motor driven strain guage device that tests lines and knots to .01 pounds. 7 turn blood knots on Orvis SSS, Dai Riki, and Umpqua pull themselves apart at somewhere around 60-70% of the material breaking strength.

Ralph, I’ve abandoned the blood-knot alltogether because I’ve noticed an alarming decrease in strength in that connection with the new leader materials in recent years. I was beginning to fear that my own ability to tie the knot effectively had diminished, but your breaking strength measurements tell the real story. I now use the double-surgeon’s knot to connect the tapering segments of my leader and the double-surgeon’s loop-to-loop connection to attach tippets. Have you had the opportunity to measure the breaking strength of double-surgeons knots? Does the triple-surgeon’s provide significant additional strength? Thanks, Fred

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  A lot of people are touting the blood knot. Blood knots are not as good as they used to be! The newer multi polymer monofilaments are so hard and slick, the blood knot (and the clinch, inproved clinch, and Trilene knots) does not bite. We have a very sophisticated (read expensive) motor driven strain guage device that tests lines and knots to .01 pounds. 7 turn blood knots on Orvis SSS, Dai Riki, and Umpqua pull themselves apart at somewhere around 60-70% of the material breaking strength.

I gave up on the clinch and trilene this year because they kept pulling out on big fish, despite very cautious tying. I quit using them because I decided that after all these years of using them I must have lost the ability to tie them properly ! I never suspected the mono may be a contributing factor. Used the non-slip mono loop all year and it worked pretty well for me. I use double surgeon’s loops to join tippet to butt (when I use a butt).                                                 jc

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7 turn blood knots on Orvis SSS, Dai Riki, and Umpqua pull themselves apart at somewhere around 60-70% of the material breaking strength. Ralph,

Thanks for telling me the names of leader material to avoid when constructing tapered leaders. Ernie Harrison

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   A lot of people are touting the blood knot. Blood knots are not as good as they used to be! The newer multi polymer monofilaments are so hard and slick, the blood knot (and the clinch, inproved clinch, and Trilene knots) does not bite. We have a very sophisticated (read expensive) motor driven strain guage device that tests lines and knots to .01 pounds. 7 turn blood knots on Orvis SSS, Dai Riki, and Umpqua pull themselves apart at somewhere around 60-70% of the material breaking strength. I gave up on the clinch and trilene this year because they kept pulling out on big fish, despite very cautious tying. I quit using them because I decided that after all these years of using them I must have lost the ability to tie them properly ! I never suspected the mono may be a contributing factor. Used the non-slip mono loop all year and it worked pretty well for me. I use double surgeon’s loops to join tippet to butt (when I use a butt).                       jc

I’ve noticed the same thing with blood knots!  Thanks for the explanation.  I replaced the blood knot with the triple surgeons knot for any line/line connection.  According to a recent study, this line holds 100% of the weaker lines strength, wet or dry.  It’s simple to tie.  The only problem is that the any of the popular "double line through the eye" knots seem to be about the strongest, most durable knot I can find.  Anyone got a very strong, non-tightening loop knot as I fish for Stripers and like the free swing for the fly.  Most loops that I tie either slip or break and I’m looking for alternatives.  Most tippets I use are from 12-24lb Dai Rikki.  Thanks.     Tim —- "Just say no to bait"

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Hi Dan! Thanks for the kind words regarding the slide show.         Re: blood knots. Your formula for X number of turns for X size tippet is rational.          We lubricate the line with KY jelly (it is water soluble unlike silicone) prior to drawing up the knots. Then we soak the line in water to a). remove the lubricant, and b) to test the wet strength of the line and knot. It defies common sense to depend on dry strength for fishing line; however, I’ve NEVER seen anyone else do it.          Wet testing demonstrates some pretty wierd changes in tippet diameter, static strength, dynamic strength, stretch, and abraision resistance. The fluorocarbon lines really shine when compared against standard nylon and multi polymer monofilaments.         You probably want to know what leaders I use?! Umpqua pre tapered leaders because I get them at cost. I replace the tippet section with Dai Rikki Velvet for normal (trout) conditions or with Dai Rikki Diver when I need abraision resistance (toothy critters or abraisive bottom structure).         Tight lines, Ralph —

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   A lot of people are touting the blood knot. Blood knots are not as good as they used to be! The newer multi polymer monofilaments are so hard and slick, the blood knot (and the clinch, inproved clinch, and Trilene knots) does not bite. We have a very sophisticated (read expensive) motor driven strain guage device that tests lines and knots to .01 pounds. 7 turn blood knots on Orvis SSS, Dai Riki, and Umpqua pull themselves apart at somewhere around 60-70% of the material breaking strength.    Back to back uni- knots are excellent as are three turn surgeons knots. I still use blood knots on the heavier parts of my leader because the line is so strong there, someting up front is going to break even though the blood knots is not 100%. Blood knots look cool, sound neat as they click through the guides and don’t tend to catch as much gunk as other joining knots. In short I like ‘em alot but use them with with prejudice.    The strongest loop knot for attaching flies is the monofilamnet loop knot as seen in Kreh’s new knot book. Lefty claims the uni-knot is weak, but our machine says it consistently tests 90-100%. In practice it’s easy to tie and doesn’t take up as mucj material as the monofilament loop knot. Its big disadvantage is that the loop cinches up where the monofilament loop knot is permanent.    tight knots! Ralph —

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I’m pretty new to the fly fishing sport but already have been blessed with some nice size trout! Living in Detroit in the Summers and Lansing for school I don’t really have a place that is nice and close.  I do a lot of fishing in Harbor Beach, which is about 50 miles north of Port Huron.  I’ve also fished the PM, and love the "flies only" section.  I’m just wondering if anyone knows where the hot spots are so I don’t have to drive too far and find out that the fishing sucks! And hey, maybe we can exchange stories, I’m always up for some good BS! All you Michigan FF, Keep in touch because the Salmon season is soon to start. I have plenty of good spots to go to.  I go up just about every weekend all year round.  Steelhead, Salmon, and runt trout.  What do you fish for?  Write back, I will be going up north this weekend to fish for chinook, coho, and summer steelhead.  Yes, there are still skamania in the river. Hooked and landed a 16 pound chinook two weeks ago on the Betsie River.

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Living in Detroit in the Summers and Lansing for school I don’t really have a place that is nice and close.  I do a lot of fishing in Harbor Beach, which is about 50 miles north of Port Huron.  I’ve also fished the

Jon-Paul; Since you’re heading 50 miles north of Port Huron maybe one day you should make a left turn and head over to Canada. From about Goderich (50 miles north of Sarnia) North there are a number of excellent salmon/steelhead rivers, with trout in the feeder streams. If you want to make a weekend or late night of it the Grand north of Kitchener (about 150 mile from Detroit) is another good river (C&R single barbless hook) with a good population of browns. Regards; —                         Dept. OB/GYN                         University of Western Ontario                         London, Ontario, CANADA

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I’m pretty new to the fly fishing sport but already have been blessed

JPJ, welcome aboard!  I get up north too infrequently, but have my favorite hangouts of course.  I don’t know as you’d like them, though, being into steelies and salmon and such.  I’m a brookie specialist, and my favorite thing is fishing itty bitty creeks you wouldn’t think you could fly fish. Most of them you can reach across with your rod, and it’s a rare day when I can actually cast.  Mostly, I’ve become very good at the roll cast… and at disengaging snags.  For those big’uns, you might try the lower Betsie. — Lee Green MD MPH         | Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own, Family Practice          | and do not represent the University of University of Michigan   | Michigan.  Medical commentary is for general                          | personal physician for your own care.

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I’m pretty new to the fly fishing sport but already have been blessed with some nice size trout! Living in Detroit in the Summers and Lansing for school I don’t really have a place that is nice and close.  I do a lot of fishing in Harbor Beach, which is about 50 miles north of Port Huron.  I’ve also fished the PM, and love the "flies only" section.  I’m just wondering if anyone knows where the hot spots are so I don’t have to drive too far and find out that the fishing sucks! And hey, maybe we can exchange stories, I’m always up for some good BS! All you Michigan FF, Keep in touch because the Salmon season is soon to start. — *                                                                        * *         Michigan State University Men’s Basketball Manager             * *                         *                                                                        * *             Countdown to a Big 10 Championship Season                  * *                                                                        * *              Respert * Snow * Brooks * Beathea * Feick                 * *                                                                        * * Respert Needs 786 points to be the Big Ten’s all time leading scorer!  *

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