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And I suppose to you it is an earth shattering event?? To me it don’t mean a damn thing. The death of my father,obscure and never publicised,was of enormously greater import.  Maybe you need to get a life.

losin a father, of course, is significant. how did you feel when you heard john lennon was shot? john kennedy? how did you feel when someone you admired and considered a hero died? listless? happy? don, maybe you need to get a life…. a real life. walt

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BTW, Dale Earnhardt was a native North Carolinian! — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just returned from Raleigh.  I took my dad his somewhat new golf cart.  I listened to the Daytona 500 on the way down and upon my return. Though I have never been a big NASCAR fan, I will truly miss Dale Earnhardt. He was one of the best loved and hated in his sport Opie  –Very Sad–

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I have just returned from Raleigh.  I took my dad his somewhat new golf cart.  I listened to the Daytona 500 on the way down and upon my return. Though I have never been a big NASCAR fan, I will truly miss Dale Earnhardt. He was one of the best loved and hated in his sport Opie  –Very Sad–

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I was about to post the following when Mark  beat me to it.  Cut and paste" Sad news in NASCAR racing, today.  Dale Earnhart, 7 time NASCAR champ, died after a crash on the final lap of today’s Daytona 500.  Michael Waltrip and his team-mate Dale Earnhart, Jr., came in 1st and 2nd.  Earnhart would have been third except for the incident that caused him and Kenny Schraeder to crash out of the race on the final lap.  The crash wasn’t that bad.  I’ve seen Earnhart walk away from far worse.  My heart goes out to all you Nortch Carolina boys, especially Pamlico Jim who was a wonderful Earnhart fan. The irony of it:  Michael Waltrip has been Cup racing for 15 or so years and never had a good car or someone to trust in him. He had never won a Nascar race. Earnhart saw the talent in Waltrip and owned the car that Michael drove today. I only hope he new that both of his cars, Waltrip’s and Jr.’s, came in 1st and 2nd. Dave L.

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Yeah, well, don’t count your elephants before they hatch! Opie  –Presently rosy cheeked–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t think too deeply….. Beginning to suspect there is little truth to this assertion. Wolfgang

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Joe F. wrote… <snip <snip   I guess if your number’s up… Friend, how about a little respect?  Lets not treat this mans death as some meaningless happening.

I think it’s pretty strange when drivers race cars at about 200 mph around an oval, within inches of one another, and then people get all surprised and upset when someone gets killed. The danger is really the POINT of auto racing. If somehow the powers that be could contrive to make it perfectly safe, interest in the sport would drop like a rock. It would have about as much interest as watching teenagers play video games. These guys race because paying customers like to see them risking their lives. They probably enjoy it, too, but they wouldn’t be doing it unless a lot of people were paying for the spectacle. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I feel miserable about the passing of Dale.  Last evening I was planning on tying a few flies and relaxing for the evening.  I then heard the news from a buddy of mine on the phone.  I still am in shock over the untimely death of a man that I hated, loved and admired.  I hated him on the track for his dirty ways.  I loved him for his zealousness, competitiveness and what he has done for the sport of stock car racing and apart from him racing ‘dirty’ at times, he appeared to be a true gentleman. All who watched the Daytona 500 on Sunday were able to witness a ‘new’ Dale Earnhardt, in that he was protecting the lead for either Michael Waltrip or his son, we don’t know which one, but we can all attest to the fact that that was very uncharacteristic of  the ‘Intimidator’ and I was very happy to see Dale race in that fashion.  He left us with an image of what he was probably like as a father, husband and friend— a real man, one who is loving, protective and gracious, even though in the past that picture wasn’t painted on the race track.  But, it is evident that Dale was a gentleman and he will be greatly missed!!!! Growing up I attended many NASCAR races at Michigan, Bristol, Charlotte and Daytona and he was always the thorn in this fans side because he always was winning, or preventing one of my favorites from winning—I was always happy to see him a lap down, running out of gas or with a blown tire, but never, ever did I wish any harm to him, nor any other driver.  I remember talking with my father during a Sunday race about Earnhardt and that he drove us nuts…..then we both agreed it was fun seeing him run his tank empty or blow a motor (which was rare for RCR Enterprises Engine Building Team) but we would never like to see him be injured because of a mishap.  I have lightened up over the years concerning Dale, and I actually enjoyed seeing him win the Daytona 500 a few years back.  I thought, "Good for you Dale, you have definitely earned it!!!" I sat last night in shock and tears because, reflecting on past conversations with my father about racing and Dale, I remember us agreeing that NASCAR wouldn’t be the same without Dale out there doing what he does best. I’m sad and I hurt for the whole community that was so close to him, his dear and close friends, and his family. To Dale:  It won’t be same without you!  Thank you for many years of fun filled and exciting races. You are and will be missed.  Richard may have been the King, but that never stopped you from making it to the top! God Bless the family, friends and partners of Dale, DEI and RCR.

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And I suppose to you it is an earth shattering event?? To me it don’t mean a damn thing. The death of my father,obscure and never publicised,was of enormously greater import.  Maybe you need to get a life. —  Don Thompson Another of the Thompson Boys

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Joe F. wrote… <snip <snip   I guess if your number’s up… Friend, how about a little respect?  Lets not treat this mans death as some meaningless happening.

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I don’t think too deeply…..

Beginning to suspect there is little truth to this assertion. Wolfgang

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Joe F. wrote…

<snip <snip   I guess if your number’s up… Friend, how about a little respect?  Lets not treat this mans death as some meaningless happening.

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Well sure he was a great personality. No doubt about it. But would you classify his death as noble? Ever read the short story entitled "The Lottery"? NASCAR reminds me of that.

Don’t know about ‘noble’ but I guess if I had to die young, a sudden death while fishing wouldn’t be the worst way to exit. I never met Dale Earnhardt, but I kind of think he felt the same way about racing, or he would have retired after Neil Bonnet’s death. As it was, Earnhardt wasn’t the same for some time after Bonnet died. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just returned from Raleigh.  I took my dad his somewhat new golf cart.  I listened to the Daytona 500 on the way down and upon my return. Though I have never been a big NASCAR fan, I will truly miss Dale Earnhardt. He was one of the best loved and hated in his sport I hadn’t heard until your post.   I couldn’t believe it.   I’m not a NASCAR fan either; but I have to appreciate anyone who’s done what Earnhardt has done in their particular venue.   Damned shame. Odd though, that in the news coverage, the crash that killed him didn’t look so bad compared to many of the flip in the air, acrobatic, car-disintegrating wrecks that some drivers walk away from (including the Home Depot car in that race).   I guess if your number’s up… Joe F.

Not to be flippant about a serious matter, but it’s like the old saying, "It’s not your parachute not opening that kills you, it’s the sudden stop that does it."  A "wild" crash certainly looks spectacular, but look more closely – the cars flip and/or spin, all the while losing speed and inertia – Earnhardt, basically, "instantly" decelerated (not "instantly" in the absolute, but you get the idea) from 180 MPH when he hit the wall at maybe 25 degrees from perpendicular and then the other car "drove" his.  If the other car had not driven his car sideways, I’d guess the "seriousness" would have been more readily apparent.  When I saw the crash the first time, I thought what most were saying – it didn’t appear too bad, but when I saw it in slower motion, looking critically, it looked pretty bad. TC, R

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Odd though, that in the news coverage, the crash that killed him didn’t look so bad compared to many of the flip in the air, acrobatic, car-disintegrating wrecks that some drivers walk away from (including the Home Depot car in that race).   I guess if your number’s up… Joe F.

Actually the ’spectacular’ crashes are sldom fatal because all of the acrobatics tend to scrub off speed and dissipate the force of the inpact. The truly deadly crashes are the sudden decelleration type that killed Earnhardt. 180 to 0 mph in less then a second. The human body simply wasn’t designed to deal with those kind of g-forces. The two drivers killed at Loudon, NH last year suffered the same type of injury, and niether crash appeared ’serious’. There is really no safety equipment that can be added to the car or driver that would prevent fatalities from this type of injury. Track design, (’soft walls’, water barriers, etc, might help. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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He was a *great* sportz personality, regardless of Zimbo’z *opinion*! While I have never been fascinated by celebrity, nor have I ever had a hero, I must say that Dale Earnhardt’s death has affected me for some reason.

Well sure he was a great personality. No doubt about it. But would you classify his death as noble? Ever read the short story entitled "The Lottery"? NASCAR reminds me of that. –Steve

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I have just returned from Raleigh.  I took my dad his somewhat new golf cart.  I listened to the Daytona 500 on the way down and upon my return. Though I have never been a big NASCAR fan, I will truly miss Dale Earnhardt. He was one of the best loved and hated in his sport

I hadn’t heard until your post.   I couldn’t believe it.   I’m not a NASCAR fan either; but I have to appreciate anyone who’s done what Earnhardt has done in their particular venue.   Damned shame. Odd though, that in the news coverage, the crash that killed him didn’t look so bad compared to many of the flip in the air, acrobatic, car-disintegrating wrecks that some drivers walk away from (including the Home Depot car in that race).   I guess if your number’s up… Joe F.

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I don’t think too deeply, nor do I dwell upon the aspects that might make a *sport* appealing to varying people.  NASCAR is a *sport* and one that has in recent years drawn a good deal of attention from BIG MONEY sponsors.  The fact that some of its participants die is regrettable, but no more so than in other sports.  Dale Earnhardt knew the dangers involved and chose to race anyway.  I don’t lament the way in which he died, but the fact that he did die! Steve, people die everyday playing, for money and/or enjoyment, one or another otherwise *meaningless* sports.  If folks gain something from participating in a particular sport or from merely observing said sports, I have no qualms with it. Why would you suppose that I might think any death as noble?  I rarely use the term, when referring to humans! Opie  —-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He was a *great* sportz personality, regardless of Zimbo’z *opinion*! While I have never been fascinated by celebrity, nor have I ever had a hero, I must say that Dale Earnhardt’s death has affected me for some reason. Well sure he was a great personality. No doubt about it. But would you classify his death as noble? Ever read the short story entitled "The Lottery"? NASCAR reminds me of that. –Steve

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Zimbo writes: The really sad thing is that in addition to the fact that Dale was killed (he didn’t *die*, he was *killed*), this news will only bring more popularity to one of the world’s stupidest sports. –Steve

Give me a break!  It is the most popular sport in the world.  I would guess that more people are killed fly fishing every year than in organized automobile racing.  Bull fighting, mountain climbing and auto racing are the only sports. The rest are games (according to Hemingway).

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He was a *great* sportz personality, regardless of Zimbo’z *opinion*!  While I have never been fascinated by celebrity, nor have I ever had a hero, I must say that Dale Earnhardt’s death has affected me for some reason. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kelly writes: I love Winston Cup racing, but for me, a big part of the thrill is gone. It’s been said he could see the air.  There wasn’t anyone like him, probably never will be.

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Kelly writes: I love Winston Cup racing, but for me, a big part of the thrill is gone.

It’s been said he could see the air.  There wasn’t anyone like him, probably never will be.

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Kelly writes: I love Winston Cup racing, but for me, a big part of the thrill is gone. It’s been said he could see the air.  There wasn’t anyone like him, probably never will be.

    When they put Waltrip’s car on display across the street from the speedway, tragically absent will be the donut Dale would have put on the driver side door.                    Kelly

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The sudden stop from 180 mph seems to be what killed him. The sudden decelleration caused severe head injuries. There really is no way to protect against this type of accident. Dale’s best friend, Niel Bonnet died under similar circumstances a few years ago.

The really sad thing is that in addition to the fact that Dale was killed (he didn’t *die*, he was *killed*), this news will only bring more popularity to one of the world’s stupidest sports. –Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sudden stop from 180 mph seems to be what killed him. The sudden decelleration caused severe head injuries. There really is no way to protect against this type of accident. Dale’s best friend, Niel Bonnet died under similar circumstances a few years ago. NASCAR might take a hard look at the recent changes in the "aero package" that causes the cars to stay bunched up for 500 miles. It makes a great show for the fans, but with an 18 car wreck, and then the fatality, it has proved very costly. Ironically, Earnhardt has been a vocal critic of restrictor plate racing for many years. A very sad day indeed. George Adams

    When they first ran the new aero package last fall at Talladega, and Dale made that great run from 15th or so to the victory in 5 laps, I’ll admit I thought the new rules were terrific. But I agree with you. Something needs to be looked at. Talladega is a lot wider than Daytona. I think the cleaner aerodynamics are safer at Daytona, where there is less room to bounce around. The big wreck was bound to happen. I know Dale hated the follow the leader plate races that he was so good at. I didn’t catch his feelings about running under the new rules, but I thought most of the Dodge and GM guys were favorable to them. NASCAR did indeed get the show they wanted, at least until the last lap, and it was one of the most thrilling races I’ve ever watched (even my wife watched a good part of it), but that’s not the kind of racing I like if this is how it ends.                      Kelly

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Forgive the spelling mistakes in that last post.  Very shook up over this.  I can hardly believe it.  It was a joy to see Earnhardt racing his son and protecting him.  I’m going to have to find a new hero……. and Earnhardt is going to be difficult to replace…

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The sudden stop from 180 mph seems to be what killed him. The sudden decelleration caused severe head injuries. There really is no way to protect against this type of accident. Dale’s best friend, Niel Bonnet died under similar circumstances a few years ago. NASCAR might take a hard look at the recent changes in the "aero package" that causes the cars to stay bunched up for 500 miles. It makes a great show for the fans, but with an 18 car wreck, and then the fatality, it has proved very costly. Ironically, Earnhardt has been a vocal critic of restrictor plate racing for many years. A very sad day indeed. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was about to post the following when Mark  beat me to it.  Cut and paste" Sad news in NASCAR racing, today.  Dale Earnhart, 7 time NASCAR champ, died after a crash on the final lap of today’s Daytona 500.  Michael Waltrip and his team-mate Dale Earnhart, Jr., came in 1st and 2nd.  Earnhart would have been third except for the incident that caused him and Kenny Schraeder to crash out of the race on the final lap.  The crash wasn’t that bad.  I’ve seen Earnhart walk away from far worse.  My heart goes out to all you Nortch Carolina boys, especially Pamlico Jim who was a wonderful Earnhart fan. The irony of it:  Michael Waltrip has been Cup racing for 15 or so years and never had a good car or someone to trust in him. He had never won a Nascar race. Earnhart saw the talent in Waltrip and owned the car that Michael drove today. I only hope he new that both of his cars, Waltrip’s and Jr.’s, came in 1st and 2nd. Dave L.

    As a big fan, I thought our run was over a few years back when, during his long winless streak, Dale passed out on the pace lap during the Southern 500 at Darlington and hit the wall coming out of turn 4. But then he came back at Daytona the next year with a truly spectacular victory. As the other drivers of his generation ended their careers just trying to make laps, he was still the best one on the track. He was amazing and thrilling to watch. Nerves of steel and will of iron. I thought the Goodwrench team was going to do it again this year.    DEI did an incredible thing today putting a brand new team in the winners circle at the 500. But I feel just awful for the Earnhardts, Michael and DEI, and RCR. This really is a very, very sad day for me and a lot of other motor-heads. I love Winston Cup racing, but for me, a big part of the thrill is gone.                                  Kelly

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How is flyfishing this year in Kamloops Area?

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It was a long cool spring, and the past two weeks have been downright crappy, but the last few days of warm weather should be bringing up some bugs.  It’s still lake to lake as to action, some have been hot, many cold, but they should be consistently coming around in the next couple of weeks. Most lakes within a 1/2 hour of pavement have been quite busy on weekends, so going off the back roads will be needed for some quiet time on the water. Mild winter this year means that many of the smaller lakes haven’t winterkilled so prospects are good.  Cheers, Geoff McD.

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We just got back this week, and I’ll agree that the weather was crappy; everything but snow! Fishing wasn’t all that bad however. Caddis are starting to show nicely….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a long cool spring, and the past two weeks have been downright crappy, but the last few days of warm weather should be bringing up some bugs.  It’s still lake to lake as to action, some have been hot, many cold, but they should be consistently coming around in the next couple of weeks. Most lakes within a 1/2 hour of pavement have been quite busy on weekends, so going off the back roads will be needed for some quiet time on the water. Mild winter this year means that many of the smaller lakes haven’t winterkilled so prospects are good.  Cheers, Geoff McD.

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Give it a break Ken.

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Xref: news-feed.riddles.org.uk rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:48523 Xref: ratbert.tds.net rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:183077 … Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is. More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry

_______  You and I will meet one day, face to face. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.

LOL, I’ve learned. Regards, Jeff

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Faeces to faeces? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry _______  You and I will meet one day, face to face. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

– Cheers, Herman Herman Nijland Daytime webmaster Lifetime flyfisher

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.       Jim

In your opinion, FWIW. — Charlie…

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Faeces to faeces?

        we have yet another nomination for european post of the year! wayno

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What in th’ world?  Is this testing actually necessary?

Many have wondered whether this news group is necessary.  I am working on the definitive answer.  Will keep you posted.      

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Got May issue of Fly Fisherman today and the ad on page 11 looked like Walt tryingto guide me up Wilson’s Creek last fall.  Know its not Pamlico Jim as he would be running.  Picture on Page 53 shows spot where I camped for three days last summer. Rocks were not slippery, and no rododendums got in mnto my fly.  I enjoyed both and plan to attend both eastern and Western claves this manhattens.   No I do not plan to play tennis or get drunk.  Indian Joe  Wilmington N.C.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Xref: news-feed.riddles.org.uk rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:48523 Xref: ratbert.tds.net rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:183077 … Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is. More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry _______  You and I will meet one day, face to face.

More like his ass and your face, George.  ;)

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I have many Tom Thumbs. Got introduced to it in British Columbia. Hook: 8 to 16, fine wire Tail: Deer hair ends Body: Deer hair is tied in at the tail with butt ends. The thin ends of the deer hair are pulled forward to form a sheath body and tied off at the head. Deer hair is then spread up or around to form a hackle. Light grizzly hackle can be added as a variation, but I usually do not. If you use thicker tying thread for this fly it is more durable. You may tie it up from bend of the hook to get better hhoking qualities. Data: The major dry fly of British Columbia lakes from sedges to tiny chironomids. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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Some of the fellows in this group will try to goad Mr. G into a rant and then spend weeks talking about it. Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.        Jim * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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… Kind of like poking a dog with a stick and then complaining about how nasty he is.

More like poking a pile of dog shit and then complaining about the smell. — Ken Fortenberry

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What in th’ world?  Is this testing actually necessary?     Meroli

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Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly.

Looks interesting, yet I’ve never heard of it.  Probably floats well – the first "deer hair hackle" fly I’ve seen (not counting Muddler Minnows, etc. of course).  Presents a bit of a mayfly look, bit of a beetle look.  Strange, but maybe it works. Regards, Jeff

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Huh…Been using this for years on Bluegills….didn’t know it had a name. Color does not seem important, gray to brown, all are effective. It seems that the more the fish chew it up the better it works. jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly. http://www.virtualkamloops.net/bcfff/thumb.htm http://www.sportfishingbc.com/tom_thumb.htm Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli — http://home.earthlink.net/~vicbrockett

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible. I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it. I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear. I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!!

Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli

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… I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with. But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime…

For hackling flies, those Hoffman saddles are hard to beat, but for hackle fiber tails, bass bug hackle, streamer wings, and so forth, it’s nice to have a few Metz saddles (not microbarb) at the bench. I recently got a great deal on some bulk saddles at a local fly shop (3 for $5!!), that are being turned into pike streamers. I love my Hoffmans, but they just aren’t up to the job. Also, for anyone who like barbless hooks, consider getting a small pair of needlenose pliers. There’s a much wider variety of both flies and hooks in the barbed variety, all of which are easily debarbed with the pliers. BTW, some of the nicest brookies I’ve caught have been on yellow-bodied flies. I didn’t notice any yellow naturals around, but the fish never seemed to care, so neither did I (g). — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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… I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.

i know i should keep my mouth shut, but how in the hell do they teach them cocks to "hancock" them necks? furthermore, how the hell can ya determine one’s scratch from another? waldo, returning to the light side…. Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with. i know i should keep my mouth shut, but how in the hell do they teach them cocks to "hancock" them necks? furthermore, how the hell can ya determine one’s scratch from another? waldo, returning to the light side…. Ezflyfish.com:  http://www.ezflyfish.com http://auctions.yahoo.com/booth/ezflyfish_com Used, Rare, & Out-of-Print Books: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg.html

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Check out the following sites. The Tom Thumb is my favorite dry fly. http://www.virtualkamloops.net/bcfff/thumb.htm http://www.sportfishingbc.com/tom_thumb.htm Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! Tom Thumb fly?  Where can I find instructions?     Meroli

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Has no one heard of the Tom thumb no fly box should be without a few . hard to tie but deadly!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible. I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it. I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear. I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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_____  Some have asked some more questions about how I tie my Adams and if I can tell them more about it.  Well, I forgot to mention that the tails are salt and peppered and I use either dark Cree or Red along with a few fibers of Griz.  It is important that one uses the stiff, shiny barbs that best can be found out he largest Saddle Hackles possible.   I tie all my Adams between size #20 to size 12 and only sometimes do I go to size 10’s as an attracter pattern because by that time I’m reaching for a Gray Wulff. I’m very fortunate to have personal autographed Hoffman Rooster Necks and Saddles to tie with.  But I do wish I had longer fibers than what these prime #1’s and #2’s I have for the whole collection are stiff and even and prime.  I use nothing but four hackle tips for the Adams does not imitate a dipteria two winged insect of any kind.  Then again, we know trout can’t count either.  They may not possess logic as we know it but they are conditioned to patterns and four wing tips is a definite difference than a two winged looking offering.  They don’t reason it, they just know it.   I use fine, black thread and the finest wire hooks I can find.  Barbless hooks are preferred because of the number of trout that can be caught on any given day.  Stripped to one dry fly to use, it would always be the Adams for me and for the nymph the Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ear.   I also tie a Yellow Adams using a light yellow thread and dark red rooster tails.  The wings are still 4 Griz Hackle tips, divided and upright sticking a little beyond the diameter of the hackles upon completion.  The entire body is yellow and thinly dressed. This fly can be taken for a mayfly cahill dun just leaving the water and headed for the bushes to moat one more time to become an egg laying spinner.  To imagine that mayflies spend a whole year to prepare for the last three days of life to mate makes me realize how important it is to be prepared for those last three days of life and Matching the Hatch. There is a trick I learned on the Henry’s Fork one day about 20 years ago.  Everyone was having moderate success but not like it should be. Everyone in the area was using teeny dry flies or emergers.  I tied on a big Gray Wulff and suddenly I was not matching the hatch at all but I certainly was always into a fish for the next three hours.  Sometimes a large #10 Adams will do just that.  Rebel and try the ridiculous sometimes and for some reason the light comes on for the trout.  It may not be the right size but it has to be the right colors.  Adams seem to do that. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html

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My wife has indicated she may purchase a pair of these waders for me as a Christmas gift. Orvis dealer up here has them on sale for nearly 50% off. Reading bulletin board at a flyfishing site, seems most ppl prefer Simms model. Anybody out there have an opinion on this? Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Evidently Orvis is bringing out a new set of models which why they are clearing them, is it worth waiting for and perhaps paying alot more money for? Thanks for your opinions.

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I bought a pair of no-sweats last year.  They were very lightweight and comfortable.  They were also baggy and a funny color.  The first time I walked thru a blackberry bush they were full of tiny holes I couldn’t patch. I returned them to the flyshop which allowed me to "trade up" to the Simms waders.  They are twice as heavy and ten times tougher.  So far (knock on wood), no leaks.  I beat the heck out of the waders and they are holding up well.  Despite the Gore Tex claims, they you do sweat and you get damp – just a matter of how much dampness you can put up with. The feet are neoprene and after all day my feet are invariably damp – this part of the waders definitely doesn’t breathe. For someone like me who hikes a lot and beats the brush I need tough waders.  If you don’t venture near blackberry bushes or wild roses, or slide across logs – go with the Orvis.  The price won’t matter when you’re chest deep in a cold spring creek (that happended to me in Pennsylvania last year – got wet and froze to death in the Orvis product). Hope this helps.

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I’ve got a pair of Orvis breathable waders and I have nothing but good things to say about them.  I fished in them all summer, including brush wacking, log climbing and boulder jumping/sliding.  No holes, no leaks, minimum sweat.  Good poduct. Chris Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wife has indicated she may purchase a pair of these waders for me as a Christmas gift. Orvis dealer up here has them on sale for nearly 50% off. Reading bulletin board at a flyfishing site, seems most ppl prefer Simms model. Anybody out there have an opinion on this? Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Evidently Orvis is bringing out a new set of models which why they are clearing them, is it worth waiting for and perhaps paying alot more money for? Thanks for your opinions.

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My wife has indicated she may purchase a pair of these waders for me as a Christmas gift. Orvis dealer up here has them on sale for nearly 50% off. Reading bulletin board at a flyfishing site, seems most ppl prefer Simms model. Anybody out there have an opinion on this? Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Evidently Orvis is bringing out a new set of models which why they are clearing them, is it worth waiting for and perhaps paying alot more money for? Thanks for your opinions.

Remember that Orvis guarantees their waders on a depreciation-type arrangement for 4 years…If you get a hole in the first year, full replacement, 2nd year, Orvis pays 75%, and so on… My pair leaked after a year and I got fed-exed a new pair no questions asked… Does Simms similarly back their product? — Chris Schmelzer, MS-2 Medical College of Wisconsin Milwaukee, WI 53208

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I absolutely love mine! Ira Clair

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ColinMckeown: <<Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Two years ago, on a trip to Labrador, I discovered Orvis’ breathables; the guides wore them.  On my trip this year, the same guides were wearing the same waders.   Last year I returned a set of neoprenes to Orvis saying I bought the wrong waders — I should have bought the "no-sweats.  No sweat. Orvis made the exchange and I have been extremely happy with them ever since.  I ride a mountain bike about 2 miles one-way to my favorite fishing hole and wear the waders all day.  They really are "no sweat".  I recently fell and put a tear in them.  They patched easily and when I returned to Boston, brought them back to Orvis and was given a new pair, *no questions asked*.  I doubt most other manufacturers would have a policy like that!   Dave LaCourse

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<Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders?

I really like my Orvis no-sweat waders.  I prefer the newer green color to my teal colored ones, but I have no reason to buy another pair.  Any waders will make you sweat some in warm weather.  I like the lightweight style (over neoprene) because it is comfortable in warmer weather or you can layer it for cold weather.  Simms makes a great product too.  Just more expensive.

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My wife has indicated she may purchase a pair of these waders for me as a Christmas gift. Orvis dealer up here has them on sale for nearly 50% off. Reading bulletin board at a flyfishing site, seems most ppl prefer Simms model. Anybody out there have an opinion on this? Does anybody have a pair of the Orvis NoSweats that could speak of the merits and detractions of this set of waders? Evidently Orvis is bringing out a new set of models which why they are clearing them, is it worth waiting for and perhaps paying alot more money for? Thanks for your opinions.

Hi All, There is a big ‘breathable’ war on and you will be the winners. Prices will be coming down a lot this next season. Simms is the ‘top banana’, but Patagonia is going to try to give them some real competition this next season. Orvis has some good values with their 4 year sliding warranty system. Lots of other companies are in the middle of the pack, but the competition is very powerful. Breathable waders are the biggest thing to hit fishing sense graphite. In a few years there won’t be any other choices, just like graphite rods. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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I’ve had my Orvis NoSweat waders for over 3 years. they have been to 10 different states, up and down steep banks, even the Salmon river in December steelheading.  I am always dry sweat wise but in the last year they developed tiny, tiny  leaks that eventually got worse. I think it was the stitch holes in the knee pads.  I would fish all day and have a wet spot on my knee about the size of a grapefruit that eventually grew.  I took them back to Orvis after nearly 4 years and they gave me a new pair on the spot.  I love them, and would highly reccommend them.  One caveat though.  I burned a hole in mine with a spitting ember from a campfire.  It was instant.  I patched the hole on the inside with a piece of duct tape, and it held for several years.  Cant say enough about them.  they are no sweat indeed. Jerry Schrader Schrader Photo speciallzing in weddings for over 30 years. http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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How are they in the cold months of the year? Do you just layer? or what?

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Have not had them long enough to find out.  Ask me in February after the steelhead have come in. Chris Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How are they in the cold months of the year? Do you just layer? or what?

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You can just wear your long underwear underneath them, there,s plenty of room in mine.  Very comfortable in cold weather.  Don’t walk through snow with your felts wet however, it makes big balls of ice on your feet.   Jerry Schrader Schrader Photo speciallzing in weddings for over 30 years. http://www.weddingphoto-ma.com

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I’ve caught an occasional golden at Kennedy Meadows, but you’d be better off heading farther north to Lone Pine and going up to the trailhead at Horseshoe Meadows or Cottonwood Creek. Either trailhead takes you to lots of streams with goldens (usually quite small). I noticed on the handouts from the Forest Service that Cottonwood Lakes are open to catch and release now. Another alternative is to go to Bishop and head up the trail from South Lake to Treasure Lakes (though three weeks ago there was still a lot of snow on the trail and ice on the higher lakes). There are goldens in the creek along the way, but the fish in Treasure Lakes are bigger. Try a Sierra bright dot on the ones in the creek. Any way you go, they’re worth the effort. Mark Kelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

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If you have a 4WD (absolutely required) I suggest Monachee meadows which is a few miles away from Kennedy Meadows.  There’s a trailhead at the upper end of the meadows.  Two years ago, we parked there and hiked in 5 miles for a couple of days of camping and fishing.  Caught lots of goldens. They’re not big, but they’re pretty. There’s been a lot of management by the Forest Service and DFG in that area over the past couple of years, so I’d consult with them before making plans.  Don’t just look at a topo map and make assumptions. —                                                       -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

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The stream at Kennedy Meadows is a small one with 8" browns, rainbows and brookies.  You must go higher for goldens.  If you follow the stream down far enough it becomes a river and the trout are nice sized. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

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Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

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Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

I was just up there this weekend, that is the Kennedy Meadows up by Sonora Pass. The river is barely fishable in the morning and raging and a bit cloudy by the afternoons. The horse packers and trail crews still weren’t going up past Brown Bear Pass, about fifteen miles in, because of snow.  I was hoping to get to Emigrant lake and further but I cut short my plans and hiked to Lewis lakes, about ten miles in at around 9,000 feet and the two larger of the three were still frozen. These lakes have a ridge just to the west that might shade them a little bit, so it might be that others at the same elevation might be open, but I expect you’d find ice for sure if you hiked any higher. I was thinking it might be better to hike in from Cherry or Pinecrest areas for the lower elevation lakes nearer to those areas. These will have rainbows and brookies. The resort there at Kennedy Meadows has a $1.50 brochure which lists all the lakes, size, depth, elevation and what kind of trout, and a few of the highest ones have Goldens. I plan to try again at the end of August. Mark Vinsel www.vinsel.com

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and all thier relatives live up here in Nova Scotia – long live the Canadian Air Force ! To quote an angler whose name escapes me, "There isn’t a single blackfly in the Adirondacks – they’re all married with very large families!"

– Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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Hi I’m travelling to Schroon Lake for the third week of June: 20-27. I heard the blackfly season should be over by then. Can anyone help me confirm this, or should I bring a case of deet with me? Thanks, Henry

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Yup – the black flies will be gone, but the mosquitos will just be starting.

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To quote an angler whose name escapes me, "There isn’t a single blackfly in the Adirondacks – they’re all married with very large families!"

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Hi I’m travelling to Schroon Lake for the third week of June: 20-27. I heard the blackfly season should be over by then. Can anyone help me confirm this, or should I bring a case of deet with me? Thanks, Henry

Henry,     You’ll be missing the black flies, but will hit the real beginning of the mosquitos, the no-see-ums, and the height of the deerflies.  Leave the DEET at home; it damages your liver and turns the no-see-ums and deerflies into mean drunks.  A nice side-by-side 28-guage would be just right (#12 shot).   Or go naked and lose ten pounds a day. Bob Scott

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Thanks everybody for all your help (I think) -h – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m travelling to Schroon Lake for the third week of June: 20-27. I heard the blackfly season should be over by then. Can anyone help me confirm this, or should I bring a case of deet with me? Mosquitoes follow blackfly, and an important difference is that mosquitoes bite you under canvas (and I’ve never understood why blackfly do not.)  The main thing is that mosquito attacks are worst in the open at sunset, when the fishing is often best: to concentrate on the fishing, most anglers need some sort of fly repellant. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I’m travelling to Schroon Lake for the third week of June: 20-27. I heard the blackfly season should be over by then. Can anyone help me confirm this, or should I bring a case of deet with me?

Mosquitoes follow blackfly, and an important difference is that mosquitoes bite you under canvas (and I’ve never understood why blackfly do not.)  The main thing is that mosquito attacks are worst in the open at sunset, when the fishing is often best: to concentrate on the fishing, most anglers need some sort of fly repellant. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Rick, Interesting note.  I can’t help much – this is my first trip up north.  We are going to Fireside Lodge near Sioux Lookout.   It is a drive in but is the only lodge on a group of 8 lakes.  I had initially planned on a fly-in but decided to opt for a lodge this first trip.  I can recommend Uichi Lake Lodge – my Uncle and his friends have been there a number of times and speak very highly of it.  He says the food is great, the fishing is great, and the hosts are great people.  It is a little pricier than Fireside Lodge but only slightly.  It is not an outpost, where you are the only one on the lake, but you do have the luxury of having all meals prepared. Good Luck George

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Last year I went on a trip with Nestor Falls Outfitters.  We had a great trip.  If you are looking for someone, I suggest you give them a try.  The person I went with has been using them for several years and returns year after year.  Good Luck.

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Rick, I went on a fly in trip with Lee Cole back in 1992.  Your experience bouught back some memories.  The fishing was fine, but the life was too rough for us. From now on we go on the American Plan at a lodge.  This year we are going to a new place on Wabatongushi Lake.  If you know anything about this lake let me know. good luck,

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Rick, i found your note interesting, mainly because myself and a group of guys are going on a fly-in next summer.  We were at this place ten years ago.  It is very remote and we never used live bait.  But without bait we still caught tons of fish.  For an example while catching larger northern (pike) I would put the butt of my fishing rod in my stomach to gain leverage.  Upon returning from that trip I had a large bruise on my stomach from catching so many sizable fish.  That’s what you call contact fishing! My best advice is to go earlier, mid to late June.  And to go as remote as you can. Keep me on your list of contacts  I’ll be interested in what you find out.

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Ive been in on ten various fly ins dating back to 1979.  I had to laugh at the Lee Cole story because Ive had other guys steer me away from his operation with the same complaints you had.  My best fishing by FAR has been up around the Red Lake/Sioux Lookout area.  Ive fished a few lakes out of Wawa/ Hawk Junction etc. and frankly believe that the gene pool has been so depleted up there that the quality will not improve for a long time, if ever.  Youve got to drive the extra miles before flying in to separate the men from the boys.  If it doesnt hurt a little to get there you havent gone far enough.  The reward is worth the extra effort.

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I would reccommend earlier than that, we go up for opening day of Walley, 3rd sat in may, and this beats all bugs, but, there is a 1 in 5 chance you will hit ice then – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rick, i found your note interesting, mainly because myself and a group of guys are going on a fly-in next summer.  We were at this place ten years ago.  It is very remote and we never used live bait.  But without bait we still caught tons of fish.  For an example while catching larger northern (pike) I would put the butt of my fishing rod in my stomach to gain leverage.  Upon returning from that trip I had a large bruise on my stomach from catching so many sizable fish.  That’s what you call contact fishing! My best advice is to go earlier, mid to late June.  And to go as remote as you can. Keep me on your list of contacts  I’ll be interested in what you find out.

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Anyone know where i can download a fly fishing or trout screen saver for free? thanks grant

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kauffman streamborn web site – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know where i can download a fly fishing or trout screen saver for free? thanks grant

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3M makes a fly line dressing that brings out the natural lubricants in the line itself and puts more on it.  Great Great Great STuff

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writes: Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product?

     In the Bad Old Days of silk lines, commercial line dressings contained lanolin (i.e., mutton fat), but what good lard would do on a vinyl-covered line, I don’t know.  Silicones act like oils but are much less sensitive to changes in temperature (and do not become rancid!)      Wash your line in warm water and mild soap, rinse, then wipe dry with a soft cloth.  You will be surprised how much better a clean line floats and shoots than a dirty one.  – Roger

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anybody know of any domestic product we could use to apply on fly lines instead of these expensive silicone products a careful fisherman must buy many times a year in order to protect his line? Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product? Fly fishing is older than "silicone" I believe, so what would ancient fly fishers use on their lines? …of course we know they didn’t use synthetic lines as we do now, but still! I am asking before I try for I am bored by the commercial aspect of fishing.  And I do go fishing every day. If some of you fly fishers out there would kindly give me informations on this by E-Mail, I would gather the answer and publish them in an article here in the NewsGroup.  It might be helpful for all of us. If I get no answer, well next year I’ll know because I’ll try a few tricks. Thanks for reading me.  If you got any answer you can mail ‘em to me (Jean-Pierre) at E-Mail address:

I think that a can of Mucilin is about as much as a mocha? William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Does anybody know of any domestic product we could use to apply on fly lines instead of these expensive silicone products a careful fisherman must buy many times a year in order to protect his line? Has anybody tried "lard" (yes, I mean pure porky lard for cooking) or any other greasy-oily domestic product? Fly fishing is older than "silicone" I believe, so what would ancient fly fishers use on their lines? …of course we know they didn’t use synthetic lines as we do now, but still! I am asking before I try for I am bored by the commercial aspect of fishing.  And I do go fishing every day. If some of you fly fishers out there would kindly give me informations on this by E-Mail, I would gather the answer and publish them in an article here in the NewsGroup.  It might be helpful for all of us. If I get no answer, well next year I’ll know because I’ll try a few tricks. Thanks for reading me.  If you got any answer you can mail ‘em to me (Jean-Pierre) at E-Mail address:

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Where, *exactly*, should I add split-shot on a WF-5-F line, or leader.

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I like to put it right next to the fly so that it looks like a head. I, of course, have no idea if that is correct or not.

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Where, *exactly*, should I add split-shot on a WF-5-F line, or leader.

The closer to the fly usually causes less tangling problems. Another method I use is to add a short section of lead core line between my leader butt section and the tipppet section. Some people find that easier to cast. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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: I like to put it right next to the fly so that it looks like a head. I, of : course, have no idea if that is correct or not. If it catches fish, it _is_ correct! ;-   Anywhere from about 18 inches up on the tippet to down close to the fly will do the trick. Another suggestion would be to use a section of lead core line. What you do is form a loop in each end and overwrap it with thread. Use a loop to loop connection to attach it to the flyline or the tippet end of the leader. There are premade ones out there also. The advantage to this is that it removes that "clunkiness" from the casting that is associated with the use split shot. Jon Porter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where, *exactly*, should I add split-shot on a WF-5-F line, or leader. The closer to the fly usually causes less tangling problems. Another method I use is to add a short section of lead core line between my leader butt section and the tipppet section. Some people find that easier to cast. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

Too close to the fly can ruin the swimming action.  Leave at least a couple of feet for most flies. — Richard Nelson Spokane, Wa. "Its not that life is so short, its that death is sooo long."