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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those that wanted to should have. You all missed a great one. Suckers! I’ll let Kevin give the details.  I had to get my digs in after driving more than 3,000 miles in the last two weeks just for a little fly fishing. Joel Axelrad **DFD** I wanted to, but wound up at my boss’s lake home.  Dang.  Hot water, flush toilets, sandy beach, pontoon boat.   Now if only I could have done both…

Did you catch any fish? Wolfgang

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rbc:  vixen wrote… I wanted to, but wound up at my boss’s lake home.  Dang.  Hot water, flush toilets, sandy beach, pontoon boat.   Now if only I could have done both…

We missed you cyli.  6, 7, 8, lb. pike on the fly and plenty of them.  We missed you all.  Make this clave the next time it comes up! Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Reports?

I’ll post one later or more likely tomorrow. Pictures?

My slides and CD come back on Thursday, I’ll post to ABPF then. Willi

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Did you catch any fish? No, but I saw a nice imported striped bass.  It’s been so cold that I think they’re just getting ready to spawn up there in NW Wisconsin. There were no fish in evidence on Saturday, Sunday there were some rises out in the center of the lake and Monday we suddenly saw the same amount of fish I’d seen there on my trip last summer.   All the rivers were running high and lovely.  Each time I took a bridge over the Namekagon I was wishing for a raft and a bunch of time to go down it again.

had a clavemistress. I did do some casting practice from the dock, but only with a spinning rod, as the kids were in the water and up on the dock and on the beach (only two of them, but two kids and water makes a herd) and I was darned if I’d do anything with a back cast involved.

Get a bunch of ROFFians up there for a long weekend and you will get enough free casting instruction to have you threading a weighted woolly bugger effortlessly and successfully through an entire tribe of high speed young’ns…..well, MOSTLY successfully.     Wolfgang who ain’t never fished that neighborhood.

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rbc:  vixen wrote… I wanted to, but wound up at my boss’s lake home.  Dang.  Hot water, flush toilets, sandy beach, pontoon boat.   Now if only I could have done both… We missed you cyli.  6, 7, 8, lb. pike on the fly and plenty of them.  We missed you all.  Make this clave the next time it comes up!

Reports? Pictures? Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Those that wanted to should have. You all missed a great one. Suckers! I’ll let Kevin give the details.  I had to get my digs in after driving more than 3,000 miles in the last two weeks just for a little fly fishing. Joel Axelrad **DFD** I wanted to, but wound up at my boss’s lake home.  Dang.  Hot water, flush toilets, sandy beach, pontoon boat.   Now if only I could have done both… Did you catch any fish? Wolfgang

No, but I saw a nice imported striped bass.  It’s been so cold that I think they’re just getting ready to spawn up there in NW Wisconsin. There were no fish in evidence on Saturday, Sunday there were some rises out in the center of the lake and Monday we suddenly saw the same amount of fish I’d seen there on my trip last summer.   All the rivers were running high and lovely.  Each time I took a bridge over the Namekagon I was wishing for a raft and a bunch of time to go down it again.   I did do some casting practice from the dock, but only with a spinning rod, as the kids were in the water and up on the dock and on the beach (only two of them, but two kids and water makes a herd) and I was darned if I’d do anything with a back cast involved. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Those that wanted to should have. You all missed a great one. Suckers! I’ll let Kevin give the details.  I had to get my digs in after driving more than 3,000 miles in the last two weeks just for a little fly fishing. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Those that wanted to should have. You all missed a great one. Suckers! I’ll let Kevin give the details.  I had to get my digs in after driving more than 3,000 miles in the last two weeks just for a little fly fishing. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

I wanted to, but wound up at my boss’s lake home.  Dang.  Hot water, flush toilets, sandy beach, pontoon boat.   Now if only I could have done both… — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?  My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?

At the Maine Clave in September, the Lakewood Camps staff prepared sack lunches for people who didn’t want to interrupt their fishing at mealtime. I recently found the remains of a stick of cheese from one of those lunches in the bottom of one of the front pockets of my vest. I left it there for good luck. –Steve

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Pretty much was Ken has said, except for the camera.  My most important tool is a knot tying tool, although if I lost it I could use my hemostats to tie the clinch knots. I also carry a stick of "Mean streak", a magic marker for coloring the last 12 – 16 inches of tippet white.   Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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"Peter Charles" wrote Different fish  species usually means different stuff but the constants are: snip Peter

Nice list Peter, I also carry: Albolene Tippet material Extra leaders antiseptic Ernie

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two condoms, a wine opener, a yashica t4super, two rolls of film (one b&w, one 400asa fuji print), and a waterproof copy of the kama sutra.

Two, huh? Who’s the other guy? –Steve

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I also carry a stick of "Mean streak", a magic marker for coloring the last 12 – 16 inches of tippet white.

Interesting. I’ve never heard of doing something like that. I’m assuming that’s to make the tippet more invisible when fishing dry flies, no? Is that for mono tippet or only for flouro? I thought the darker colors were more invisible so this is news to me. –Steve

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frog fanny What’s a frog’s ass doin in your vest? Seriously though, what is it?

Frog’s Fanny is a self-described "Double Duty Fly Treatment". I first learned of it this summer from Mary Dorsey’s guide friend who gave me a couple of his "Ray Charles Specials", (even a blind guy could catch a fish on this fly , that had been brushed with this stuff. I was REALLY impressed with it and said so here on ROFF. Turns out Charlie Wilson had discovered this stuff a long time ago and was so impressed he bought a whole case, just in case they ever went out of business, so he sent me a bottle. It’s essentially a very fine powder that you apply with a brush to work it into the dubbing. Highly recommended. — Ken Fortenberry

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I also carry a stick of "Mean streak", a magic marker for coloring the last 12 – 16 inches of tippet white. "Zimbo" wrote … Interesting. I’ve never heard of doing something like that. I’m assuming that’s to make the tippet more invisible when fishing dry flies, no? Is that for mono tippet or only for flouro? I thought the darker colors were more invisible so this is news to me. –Steve

Zimbo, In some parts of the country there is a drifting caddis that spins a white line which helps it to drift.  A white tippet resembles this line. Ernie

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On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?  My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?

I’m a bit of a minimalist, but here goes… – flies (usually in two small boxes) – extra tippet – license – floatant – hemostat – sunglasses – trash bag (for carrying out garbage left by other fishermen) Don’t have a vest, usually use a generic fanny-pack.      - Ken

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Zimbo writes: I also carry a stick of "Mean streak", a magic marker for coloring the last 12 – 16 inches of tippet white. Interesting. I’ve never heard of doing something like that. I’m assuming that’s to make the tippet more invisible when fishing dry flies, no? Is that for mono tippet or only for flouro? I thought the darker colors were more invisible so this is news to me. –Steve

No.  It is used to color the tippet (kind doesn’t matter) to mock the thread of net making caddis worms.  It is a neat trick used on the Rapid and other rivers in Maine.  It works with the green rock worm.  Sometimes the worms (larva) are washed away from their rock, but hold on, not unlike a spider dangling from his web.  Read Gary LaFontaine’sCaddisflies. Dave L.

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On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?  My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?

in my wader pocket- -spool or 2 of maxima -license -hook file tucked inside front of wader (or if raining in rain jacket pockets)- -one flybox -one shooting head wallet for holding sink-tips vests suck,<G chris

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Nice list Peter, I also carry: Albolene Tippet material Extra leaders antiseptic Ernie

I’ll be you carry yourself very well, Ernie. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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: Frog’s Fanny is a self-described "Double Duty Fly Treatment". : It’s essentially a very fine powder that you apply with a : brush to work it into the dubbing. Highly recommended. So is it bait or what?  ;-) You never actually say what double duties it performs… JonCook. — Are you a r.o.f.f. newbie? Then see http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~jcook/ROFF/

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On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?  My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?

There’s no rule that says you need to fill them. What I carry depends on where I’m fishing. For local waters or waters where I think I know what to expect, I have a somewhat minimal fishing shirt I use that has only two pockets. I carry floatant, nippers, and two spools of tippet. I carry two small flies boxes.  Inside of one of the boxes there is some Biostrike strike ind. and a few small weights in addition to flies. I ALWAYS carry a pair of reading glasses. On waters I’m not familiar with, I carry a fully loaded vest but the main difference is more flies. I do try and avoid this because I find a fully loaded vest a pain. Willi

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: Frog’s Fanny is a self-described "Double Duty Fly Treatment". … You never actually say what double duties it performs…

Blurb straight off the bottle; … Frog’s Fanny is not only the best dry fly floatant that you will ever use, now you can really "Match the Hatch" by coating your nymphs with Frog’s Fanny. It will put an air bubble around them that looks exactly like an emerging insect. It floats a dry fly better than anything I’ve ever used if brushed into the dubbing thoroughly, can’t vouch for the "air bubble around the nymph" claim. — Ken Fortenberry

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good inventory snipped<

This shows me that I don’t fish often enough.   To give the detailed inventory Ken offers, I’d have to get out my vest and check. I never carry my sunglasses in my vest, they stay on a neck cord.   I don’t usually carry a compass, but I have taken a small GPS on occasion.   Never needed a tape measure (yet).   Don’t carry a Leatherman tool, but have a nifty little pair of curved needlenose pliers. All in all, I carry much the same stuff as Ken, except in my upper right outside pocket are some strike indicators. Nice idea for a thread, thanks TR.<

ditto. Joe F.

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I’ll add ; a small pen lite flashlight, a cheap pair of reading glasses chap stick pocket knife – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with? Inside pockets (5): first aid kit leatherman tool map & compass car keys Outside vest: patch of amadou nipper on a retractable cord hemostat foam fly patch (can’t get barbless hooks to stay on a wool patch) hook hone Upper right pockets (2): leader wallet with spare leaders & licenses floatant frog fanny Orvis dessicant Upper left pockets (2): camera spools of tippet (usually 4X, 5X, 6X for trout) Lower right pockets (2): sunglasses whisky flask fly box Lower left pockets (3): stream thermometer (used to be outside next to hook hone but I lost too many) fly box red Mucilin patch of Cortland line cleaner container of assorted weights (rarely used tape measure Back of vest (two compartments): lunch water bottle rain jacket and a brand new landing net from Float ‘n Fish. Nice idea for a thread, thanks TR.

         Harry Mason     www.Troutflies.com               *** "Quality Flies for a Trout’s Eyes"

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Different fish  species usually means different stuff but the constants are: nippers hemostat hook sharpener magnet-needle-nailknot thingie key to the back of my truck flashlight thermometer bandaids compass matches splitshot strike indicator putty spare sunglasses also usually carry a small camera and a flask of the good stuff Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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frog fanny

What’s a frog’s ass doin in your vest? Seriously though, what is it?

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At first you just put in a few things that you need and before you know it you don’t have any room left. Ernie "TimeRanger" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?  My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?

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On a typical day of fishing -, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?

        two condoms, a wine opener, a yashica t4super, two rolls of film (one b&w, one 400asa fuji print), and a waterproof copy of the kama sutra. wayno

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… My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?

I use an LL Bean chest pack and usually carry the following: Outside: Albolene Nippers Hemostat Flashlight Insect repellent Leader straightener Mesh Pockets: Tippet Material, sizes depending on stream and time of year, Inside: Goose neck light Compass Reading glasses Sunglasses Extra leaders More tippet material Dessicant 1-1/2" square magnet(instead of fleece patch) Weights Small needle nose pliers Car key Wallet containing licenses Thermometer Hook hone Line dressing Backstrap: Maps (if needed) Spare reel spool w/line Bandana Toilet Paper Wader patch Spare glasses Lunch, light jacket, or rain gear (if needed) In very hot weather, I use a mesh backstrap which carries nothing, so all of the above would be eliminated. Again, good idea for a thread. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?  My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?

In my vest (just going by memory here) Inside Pockets Left Side Leader Wallet (3 packs of 10′ 5x & 7.5" 6x leader. One fast sinking leader) Extra Spool of 5x, 6x tippet Pewter Flask (filled with either Captain Morgan, Talisker or Tequila) Miniature Flashlight Inside Pockets Right Side Eyeglasses Fishing License Bottom Left Outside Pockets Two foam fly boxes – one nymph/emergers, one dry fly Bottom Right Outside Pockets Midge Fly box David’s  Sunflower Seeds (Salsa or Ranch) Middle Outside Pocket Leatherman Tool Spyderco Pocket Knife Top Outside Pocket Split shot Strike Indicators (Yarn and Foam) Outside D-ring left side – Fly floatant – Albolene Outside Right side – Old metal shower curtain ring – holds two spools of tippet Zinger with Snips for tippet Back zippered section – If weather looks bad – store my rain jacket in there.  If it is good weather, will store extra beers. Depending on time of year, In the bottom of it, carry my fingerless wool gloves Back outside D-ring – Net Wear a fanny pack for lower back support, wade belt Outside Pocket Safewater Bottle (In a pinch will also hold 3 beers and a small sandwich) Inside chest waders pocket – On the San Juan, carried my digital camera in a Ziploc freezer sandwich bag bc. — I don’t care who you are, you are not walking on the water while I’m fishing.

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On a typical day of fishing – say on the recent San Juan Clave, what are the things in your vest/chest pack that you would not be without (besides flies)?  My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with? — All fishermen are liars ‘cept you n me, and I’m starting to have doubts about you! www.fishticker.com

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… My vest (el cheapo Wally World special) has about 20 different pockets and an assortment of D-rings.  What sort of goodies do *you* fill these pockets with?

Inside pockets (5): first aid kit leatherman tool map & compass car keys Outside vest: patch of amadou nipper on a retractable cord hemostat foam fly patch (can’t get barbless hooks to stay on a wool patch) hook hone Upper right pockets (2): leader wallet with spare leaders & licenses floatant frog fanny Orvis dessicant Upper left pockets (2): camera spools of tippet (usually 4X, 5X, 6X for trout) Lower right pockets (2): sunglasses whisky flask fly box Lower left pockets (3): stream thermometer (used to be outside next to hook hone but I lost too many) fly box red Mucilin patch of Cortland line cleaner container of assorted weights (rarely used tape measure Back of vest (two compartments): lunch water bottle rain jacket and a brand new landing net from Float ‘n Fish. Nice idea for a thread, thanks TR. — Ken Fortenberry

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a ‘94 short-shart Gamefisher (Force?) that’s been running great since I picked it up at the beginning of tge year. However, the last time I was out,I get a "clack, clack, clack" as I was pulling on the starter rope.  I pushed the trans lever back and forth a couple of times, and it started right up with no"clack" at all. I motored to my fishing spot, cut the motor, making sure I was in neutral, then fished.  When I was ready to pull up, I once again went to start the motor and got the "clack" again.  I was once again able to get rid of the clack by moving the trans lever in and out of gear. Does anyone recognize my problem? Do I have a problem? Will I soon have a problem. Thanks…

There is a safety device system to prevent starting the motor in gear located on the flywheel. As the motor gets older parts get worn and these devices don’t quite work as they use to. The clack clack is a little plastic lever thats connected to the gear shift thats half connecting with the fly wheel. Moving the gear lever as you do helps to put it in the right position. I sugest that you take the cover off the engine and observe how this mechnisium works. Its located on the top of the motor at the back (spark plug end) work the gear lever and you will see the lever and how it works. There is another reason you should know about this is because sometimes the mechinisum jams and you can not pull the cord. If this occurs you take the cover off and manually move the lever out from the flywheel. These safety devices usually fail after a few years (regardless of make). If you are really keen you could set about adjusting it. You will find however that there is a spot on he gear lever where the lever is in the out position. Once you know the spot its just a matter of remembering to put it there before starting the motor. Best of luck Silver fox

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I have a ‘94 short-shart Gamefisher (Force?) that’s been running great since I picked it up at the beginning of tge year. However, the last time I was out,I get a "clack, clack, clack" as I was pulling on the starter rope.  I pushed the trans lever back and forth a couple of times, and it started right up with no"clack" at all. I motored to my fishing spot, cut the motor, making sure I was in neutral, then fished.  When I was ready to pull up, I once again went to start the motor and got the "clack" again.  I was once again able to get rid of the clack by moving the trans lever in and out of gear. Does anyone recognize my problem? Do I have a problem? Will I soon have a problem. Thanks…

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Thanks for the responeses, Jeff

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Maybe you can help me,     My Dad just got a fly rod from a friend whose father recently died.  He would like to use it but does not want to if it is potientially valuable. It is a split bamboo, ~6′6".  Printed on it is "GOLDEN BAMBOO"  "MADE IN JAPAN"  and signed "L.M. Dixon"  Any ideas about it? Thanks, Jeff

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Historically, Japanese Rods have not been treated well in the collectors market. They were made with much less care and dedication to detail than most USA or UK rods. Being somewhat familiar with the "market", I would suggest you get another opinion and then go fish the rod if it is still in good enough condition.  The Japanese are very active these days buying USA made rods, both older and new. Tight lines. DSW

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Dixon was not a very valuable rod in term of it’s collectability;Just becuase it’s bamboo doesn’t mean it’s valuable. In fact, most old bamboo rods are down right worthless then, and they are worthless now. One indication of quality of rod quality is to count the number of guides and look at the quality of ferrules. In the old days, the value of the bamboo rod were primarily determined by the quality and quantity of it’s hardware, not the bamboo blank itself, which could be worth next to nothing. It sound strange, but true. If the rod is in good shape, you may just wish to use it as is or, if you have the inclination, refinish with new poly varnish and rewrap new modern guides for modern fly lines etc… My first refinishing effort was on a old Dixon I picked up for next to nothing. I re-corked , re-coat with modern poly varnish and replaced all the guides with bigger one for modern fly lines, and you would not believe how the rod turned out. What’s more, it taught me alot about bamboo rod refinishing and it  gave me insights into later refinishing and restoration efforts of other more valuable rods. To me, that Dixon was priceless. These refinishing efforts can be teach you alot  about – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe you can help me,    My Dad just got a fly rod from a friend whose father recently died.  He would like to use it but does not want to if it is potientially valuable. It is a split bamboo, ~6′6".  Printed on it is "GOLDEN BAMBOO"  "MADE IN JAPAN"  and signed "L.M. Dixon"  Any ideas about it? Thanks, Jeff

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_______  Like a spring Caddis Fly that will soon have gone through it’s complete metamorphosis, I am slowly becoming a BAMBOO GEEK.  The study of cane never leaves my thoughts.  I have cut a short piece and split it.  I fondle it and carry it with me everywhere I go.  It is thick.  It is hard and sharp of edge and the sample holds a molecular world I know little of . . . yet my imagination travels inside it, inbetween all its molecules.  Cured long ago, this yellow stick from the far Orient, has found a home.  It speaks to me in a way better then words. So it is, inanimate in all respects, but a spirit of promise radiates from it like radium from plain rock, as it sits here, infecting me.  I am drawn to the mysteries of Tonkin. I am sure of it, in my mind, on this adventure, that the very first fly rod I will make will be as good as the last one I will ever make in my life.  I have been thinking about #1 for thousands of hours and for many months.  No, I haven’t ever done this before, but it matters not because my whole life has been dressed in the clothing’s of the great outdoors. How could it not be so?  I seldom do things badly in my life except I did piss on my own leg in a Mountain’s Wind Storm, once. I have it in my heart, that if someone doesn’t purchase #1 by the time I build it, I may donate it to a Museum.   I will put a high price on it as a collector’s item and that will be that.  I will let history judge the wisdom of it all years into the future, when people such as you and I are long dead nd gone, and another generation of Bastard Fly Rod Artists will pass on a legacy long since into high serial numbers.  One day, some one will visit the A Museum of Fly Fishing and see the #1 Bastard Fly Rod and they may ask just one question.  "I wish I could have been there to buy it when they had the chance,"  and we will giggle ourselves into eternity, while fly fishing one of God’s trout streams. Mr. G. i was never a man of hindsight  http://www.gink.com

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_______  Like a spring Caddis Fly that will soon have gone through it’s complete metamorphosis, I am slowly becoming a BAMBOO GEEK.  The study of cane never leaves my thoughts.  I have cut a short piece and split it.  I fondle it and carry it with me everywhere I go.  It is thick.  It is hard and sharp of edge and the sample holds a molecular world I know little of . . . yet.  Cured long ago, this yellow stick from the far Orient, has found a home.  It speaks to me in a way better then words. So it is, inanimate in all respects, but a spirit of promise radiates from it like radium from a plain rock, as it sits here – infecting me, just sitting there. I am drawn by the mystery of Tonkin Cane. I have it in my mind, on this adventure, that the very first fly rod I make will be the best fly rod I will ever make in my life.  I have been thinking about #1 for thousands of hours and for many months.  No, I haven’t ever done this thing before, but it matters not because my whole life  is now dressed in Bamboo.  How could it not be so?  I’ve never done anything badly in my life except piss on my own leg in a wind storm, once. I have it in my heart, that if someone doesn’t purchase #1 by the time I build it, I will donate this first Bastard of my dreams to The American Museum of Fly Fishing.  I will put a high price on it as a collector’s item and that will be that.  I will let history judge the wisdom of it all years into the future, when people such as you and I are long dead and gone, and another generation of Bastard Fly Rod Artists will pass on a legacy long since into high serial numbers.  One day, some one will visit the American Museum of Fly Fishing and see the #1 Bastard Fly Rod I have in my mind and heart and they may ask just one question.  "I wish I could have been there to buy it when I had the chance,"  and I will turn over in my grave giggling myself into eternity. I told you so. Mr. G. i was never a man of hindsight —

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I think the Who Am I? post simply stated what many of us have come to realize  - the regular posters on ROFF are a community – and a very open one at that.   For those who taken exception to the post or the many ‘gutter’ threads that develop on ROF I say thanks for the interest. I for one appreciate it. For better that than no reaction. Hey Walt.  I agree.  The Who am I thread makes me want to puke.  Think of all those mass marketers out there ferreting names, ages children professions, locations and email addresses of "dedicated" fly fishers.  I hate to be their postal worker or ISP.

get real. They have far better ways to get the names, addresses and incomes of hundreds of thousands – they wouldn’t bother with the handful who posted an abrreviated bio under the "Who am I" thread. Just thought that I’d mention that with the alan 46r thread this place seems more like roff than rofft. There is a veritable lovefest (who am i) going on over there. Strange indeed. oh yeah…on topic… uhmmm, well, I mentioned thread. –Wataugan Walt Paul Shook said: <<I’m glad to hear that I am not the only one that thinks the "Who I Am" thread

is a bit strange. Dave Laplace said: ROFF is a bunch of pretty nice guys and gals.  They are simply exchanging their "vital statistics".

Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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Walt Winter wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Fiddleaway wrote) The bottom line is that the response to the Who Am I thread speaks for itself.  The majority of the respondents thought it of enough value to participate.  Clearly, Randall, Walt and Paul are in the minority, but in spite of themselves, in responding they too have given us a little insight as to who they are.  Thanks guys. ok, i’ll rise to the occasion…. Hey buddy, don’t group me with Randall or Paul. I have no idea what the hell Randall is agreeing with (certainly not with my view). I was one of the first responders and have read and enjoyed every damn "who am i" bio.

I apologize for grouping you with the other naysayers.  As a matter of fact, I thought I had remembered that you had given a positive response to the Who Am I thread early on.  But I didn’t read the later ones (as they digressed into responses to Who Am I rather than originals).  My fault for assuming the poster who grouped you with them was correct. Mea culpa.  Consider me well chagrined. —                                                       -dnc-

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–                                                       -dnc- Ralph H wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think the Who Am I? post simply stated what many of us have come to realize  - the regular posters on ROFF are a community – and a very open one at that.   For those who taken exception to the post or the many ‘gutter’ threads that develop on ROF I say thanks for the interest. I for one appreciate it. For better that than no reaction. Randall Davis says: Hey Walt.  I agree.  The Who am I thread makes me want to puke.  … Just thought that I’d mention that with the alan 46r thread this place seems more like roff than rofft. There is a veritable lovefest (who am i) going on over there. Strange indeed. Paul Shook said: <<I’m glad to hear that I am not the only one that thinks the "Who I Am" thread is a bit strange.

The bottom line is that the response to the Who Am I thread speaks for itself.  The majority of the respondents thought it of enough value to participate.  Clearly, Randall, Walt and Paul are in the minority, but in spite of themselves, in responding they too have given us a little insight as to who they are.  Thanks guys.

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The bottom line is that the response to the Who Am I thread speaks for itself.  The majority of the respondents thought it of enough value to participate.  Clearly, Randall, Walt and Paul are in the minority, but in spite of themselves, in responding they too have given us a little insight as to who they are.  Thanks guys.

ok, i’ll rise to the occasion…. Hey buddy, don’t group me with Randall or Paul. I have no idea what the hell Randall is agreeing with (certainly not with my view). I was one of the first responders and have read and enjoyed every damn "who am i" bio. What has happened here is a typical out of context post by Ralphbot. He’s done it in the past and he’s at it again. Welcome back roboboy. Tim and Jon really have to sharpen up there programming skills(aws) and do something about these damn bugs that keep poppin up. Step up to the friggin’ plate Tim and take your at bat. Until then, I’m rippin the fucking white flags down and I’ll kick all of your sorry asses if I see ya on my river, well, mudhole. Wading staff use by able-bodied men is for pussies (myself included). Brookies rule. Single-malt scotch. I don’t miss the NBA. Hillary, 2000 (this buds for you georgie Ralphbot needs a lube-job. Who ate FIFI? –Wataugan "I’ll kick yer ass" Walt

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        ralph, what the hell was all that shit you, or someone else, strung together?  how about taking responsibility for a little clarity.  i know walt well enough to know that he supports the humanization of this group through communication about who we are. what you, or somedamnbody has published, misrepresents his viewpoint. a. wayne harrison

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. Hillary, 2000 (this buds for you georgie –Wataugan "I’ll kick yer ass" Walt

 I was fine till here , Hillary ?? Oh God ..drink more Scotch Man, it may clear your muddled head.    Hillary, 2000…. good christ. And I thought Al "the Stump" Gore was scary….. HM

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I was fine till here , Hillary ?? Oh God ..drink more Scotch Man, it may clear your muddled head.    Hillary, 2000…. good christ. And I thought Al "the Stump" Gore was scary….. HM

HM, just kiddin’, Iza tryn ta raisz Ginko ferm da ded. –Wataugan "Moe Skeeter 2000" Walt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was fine till here , Hillary ?? Oh God ..drink more Scotch Man, it may clear your muddled head.    Hillary, 2000…. good christ. And I thought Al "the Stump" Gore was scary….. HM HM, just kiddin’, Iza tryn ta raisz Ginko ferm da ded. –Wataugan "Moe Skeeter 2000" Walt

  Well, the water has been real cold as of late. Not many bugs on the water here, so to speak. HM

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       ralph, what the hell was all that shit you, or someone else, strung together?  how about taking responsibility for a little clarity.  

nothing Walt wrote was quoted out of context. If you or he had a problem with what he said it is your problem not mine. The ‘bot is a creation of your, his (and tim’s) lack of comprehension  -  not mine. Frankly I understood what Walt said perfectly tho’ his addled old mine may have lost the thread since he wrote it <g:  Given the history of animous and invective the break out of the sudden "love-fest" was a surprising – however it wasn’t strange it simply spoke to what many of us longed for – a relief from all the bad sentiment and a return to respect for all as people. We are a community despite the efforts of some to break us down. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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       ralph, what the hell was all that shit you, or someone else, strung together?  how about taking responsibility for a little clarity.  i know walt well enough to know that he supports the humanization of this group through communication about who we are. what you, or somedamnbody has published, misrepresents his viewpoint. a. wayne harrison

Wayne go to the Ng Rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying and you can find the original thread there – check out Walt’s contribution – you will see what I included was exactly what he said – ditto for all the others. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The bottom line is that the response to the Who Am I thread speaks for itself.  The majority of the respondents thought it of enough value to participate.  Clearly, Randall, Walt and Paul are in the minority, but in spite of themselves, in responding they too have given us a little insight as to who they are.  Thanks guys. ok, i’ll rise to the occasion…. Hey buddy, don’t group me with Randall or Paul. I have no idea what the hell Randall is agreeing with (certainly not with my view). I was one of the first responders and have read and enjoyed every damn "who am i" bio. What has happened here is a typical out of context post by Ralphbot. He’s done it in the past and he’s at it again. Welcome back roboboy.

Walto-gin – don’t imbibe and post within the same time zone. Randall took you out of context not I – I quoted you exactly. Go back and re-read the thread in ROFT which you intiated! Wash the kettle black off your face while you are at it! ;^) What you said was clear to me – big flame fest on ROFT love-fest on ROFF – a surprising turning of the worm. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Harrison) says:        ralph, what the hell was all that shit you, or someone else, strung together?  how about taking responsibility for a little clarity.  i know walt well enough to know that he supports the humanization of this group through communication about who we are. what you, or somedamnbody has published, misrepresents his viewpoint. a. wayne harrison Wayne go to the Ng Rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying and you can find the original thread there – check out Walt’s contribution – you will see what I included was exactly what he said – ditto for all the others. Ralph H

Ralph….. The following enclosed below is verbatim of what I wrote on rofft. It in no way condemns, ridicules, or "makes me want to puke" the "WHO AM I THREAD". As mentioned earlier, I have no idea why Randall decided to agree with me or what the hell he agreed with. IMHO, you were bored and decided to try and muddy some waters elsewhere now that your arch-enemy Tim has decided to cool off for awhile. All I have in response to you is that whilst my brain may be addled temporarily at times with a comforting single-malt indulgence, yours, unfortunately, seems to be addled permanently most likely from birth. Get a grip man, –Wataugan "hellfire and brimstone southerner" Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Just thought that I’d mention that with the alan 46r thread this place seems more like roff than rofft. There is a veritable lovefest (who am i) going on over there. Strange indeed. oh yeah…on topic… uhmmm, well, I mentioned thread. –Wataugan Walt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Walto-gin – don’t imbibe and post within the same time zone. Randall took you out of context not I – I quoted you exactly. Go back and re-read the thread in ROFT which you intiated! Wash the kettle black off your face while you are at it! ;^) What you said was clear to me – big flame fest on ROFT love-fest on ROFF – a surprising turning of the worm. Ralph H

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Harrison) says: Wayne go to the Ng Rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying and you can find the original thread there – check out Walt’s contribution – you will see what I included was exactly what he said – ditto for all the others. Ralph H Ralph….. The following enclosed below is verbatim of what I wrote on rofft. It in no way condemns, ridicules, or "makes me want to puke" the "WHO AM I THREAD". As mentioned earlier, I have no idea why Randall decided to agree with me or what the hell he agreed with.

Yes it is verbatim. It is in fact exactly what I included in my cross post to ROFF…  and yes I agreed in my previous post in this thread that what you said was taken out of context by Randall and Paul Shook … IMHO, you were bored and decided to try and muddy some waters elsewhere now that your arch-enemy Tim has decided to cool off for awhile.

so why are attacking me? Is it in character for you to assault the ‘love fest’ you previously defended? All I have in response to you is that whilst my brain may be addled temporarily at times with a comforting single-malt indulgence, yours, unfortunately, seems to be addled permanently most likely from birth.

well that’s fine – in these repartee games I’ve always adhered to adage "turn about is fair play" Let’s give it a rest Walt. Just thought that I’d mention that with the alan 46r thread this place seems more like roff than rofft. There is a veritable lovefest (who am i) going on over there. Strange indeed. oh yeah…on topic… uhmmm, well, I mentioned thread. –Wataugan Walt

Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. "I could be bounded in a nutshell, and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams." – Hamlet

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[deleted] volkswagon beetles [deleted] chevrolet hare’s ears

orvis jeep beadheads… — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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this thread is for anything unrelated to flyfishing. feel free to contribute, but PLEASE,  no flyfishing (than it would be an off-topic, off-topic thread and would kinda be like looking in the mirrors at a barbershop…) ie… volkswagon beetles

        imho, far superior to chevrolet hare’s ears for really getting a sinking line down where the big uns are.  oh, i realize casting can become a little tiresome; but, hey, that’s fly fishing for ya…         a. wayne harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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this thread is for anything unrelated to flyfishing. feel free to contribute, but PLEASE,  no flyfishing (than it would be an off-topic, off-topic thread and would kinda be like looking in the mirrors at a barbershop…) ie… kohlberg tongue swallowing dueling banjoes tv ratings cursing me, yourself, or others lovefests volkswagon beetles internet bad guys internet good guys anything goes…..

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Howell Raines’ great book "Fly Fishing the Midlife Crisis" is on sale for only $5.99 at www.bargainbookwarehouse.com. In the stores it sells for $22. I don’t think they have any other fishing books.

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"Fly Fishing Through the Midlife Crisis" I agree that it is an excellent read, and I’m not even at mid-life yet…Clint – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howell Raines’ great book "Fly Fishing the Midlife Crisis" is on sale for only $5.99 at www.bargainbookwarehouse.com. In the stores it sells for $22. I don’t think they have any other fishing books.

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In the Washington DC area: Brookside Gardens (Wheaton MD) is a nice smallish place, great in azalea season and interesting at other times too. Nice Japanese pavilion. And of course there is the National Arboretum in the District…. The bonsai collection is awesome, and the experience of walking under flowering azalea "trees" (mostly the original GlennDales, i believe) is indescribable (but get there EARLY). — NOTE: to reply you must remove the X at the end of the email address given above/below. Sorry about the inconvenience, but i am totally fed up with the tons of junk mail coming over the Net! Judy Karpen                        "The line between scientific genius and Naval Research Lab               line from The Brain that Wouldnt Die Washington DC                         garden: Zone 7 (Maryland) Do not send ANY commercial solicitations to this address!

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David Fairchild Garden in Miami, Florida, while still recovering from Hurricane Andrew in 1992 is special and worth visiting.  The collection of tropical plants is wonderful.  In fact, after the hurricane, Fairchild Garden recieved letters from other botanical gardens all over the world with offers of seeds, plants, advice, and help to rebuild.

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David Fairchild Garden in Miami, Florida, while still recovering from Hurricane Andrew in 1992 is special and worth visiting.  The collection of tropical plants is wonderful.  In fact, after the hurricane, Fairchild Garden recieved letters from other botanical gardens all over the world with offers of seeds, plants, advice, and help to rebuild.

Hi Julia I know it’s one of *my* favorite places as I can see things growing outside that I can find no other place in the Lower 48. Love it!! I haven’t been there since the hurricane. How’s it shaping up? What about the drive down Old Cutler Road? It used to be so pretty. hurricanes {:O( Paul and Roxanne Mitchell       USDA Zone 9b

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|   |   My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.? | | Well, I’m going to answer my own question.  I sent an email to | Bellingrath Gardens asking what the top gardens are.  They replied: | |   Bouchard |   Longview |   Callaway |   Biltmore |   Bellingrath I have seen the Biltmore Garden in Asheville, NC and it is very nice. I will also put in a plug for a couple of local (for me, that is) public gardens that I enjoy. Sarah P. Duke Memorial Gardens, Duke University Campus, Durham, NC Features a terrace garden with a huge Wisteria covered pergola and a good size lily pond, an asiatic arboretum, and the Bloomquist garden of native plants, which features showy plants native to the southeastern United States. North Carolina State University Arboretum – Raleigh, NC Features an incredible diversity of woody plants, a 300 foot long perennial border, a white garden, and various demonstration gardens. Jay

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The National Arboretum in Washington, DC (part of the Smithsonian Institutes, if I’m not mistaken)!!!!!!

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Fort Worth has a remarkable botanical garden with a Japanese water garden section.  Wonderful!  Visit if you can!   — Signed,    Kellie My Karma Ran Over My Dogma.  It was a catastrophe! Now my dogma’s dead and my karma’s out of alignment. Get in "Knee Deep"!     The Internet Pond Society      http://w3.one.net/~rzutt/newsletter.html

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The Missouri Botanical Garden is wonderful. More, they do internationally important research on plant species. The Missouri Botanical Garden has helped fund rainforest research, among other things. No, I don’t work there, but have very much enjoyed visiting. Their web site is: http://www.mobot.org/ I was just there last weekend, and it was stunning even in early spring. Don’t even get me started on the gift shop and it’s book selection….. — Robin, Jasper and Dreamer (my opinions are strictly my own!) Doberman page: http://www.hsc.missouri.edu/people/robin/

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I live in Montreal Canada and our Botanical Gardens are  quite impressive.  I have been informed that Montreal’s Botanical Gardens are the second largest in the world.  They include sections for: a) Perennials b) annuals c) Herbs d) Medicinal Plants e) Plants for commercial use (making dyes, rope, etc) f) poisonous plants g) alpine plants h) vegetables i) grains j) Many bushes k) a large arboretum with many types of trees l) a Chinese garden m) a Japanese garden n) an insectarium o) a butterfly pavilion (live butterflies in natural surroundings) p) a large greenhouse with collections of tropical plants, cacti and succulents from around the world) q) a bookstore with many titles in English and French If you are in Montreal a trip to the Botanical Gardens is a wothwhile experience. Bill (zone 4) Montreal

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I just returned from visiting Bellingrath Gardens which is south of Mobile, Alabama.  What a fabulous place and to think I found it almost by accident.  I definitely recommend visiting it!  In its brochure it lists itself as among the top 5 public gardens in the U.S.   My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.?  I want to see them all! Cindy in Indy zone 5

My favorite are right near me so I can visit often. It’s a school that lets folks just walk around. It has acres and acres of amazing things. Like . . . a walled garden with pretty flowers that you spot across the lawn. As you walk closer you can see down to another layer of flowers, closer, another. The darn thing is terriced down, and down, each layer beautifuly designed and reviels itself as you walk closer. The bottom is a tiny pond. Way cool, but forget I said this when you go there so you can be surprised! They have a nice web site you can find by the schools’ name. Niagara Parks Botanic School of Horticulture.It’s just north of Niagra Falls Onterio Canada. It also has a huge butterfly conservitory that just opened. Haven’t been there yet. If you travel for the garden, you get to see the falls too! Peggy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Huntington Botanical Gardens, San Marino, CA; Missouri Botanical Garden.

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    My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.? Well, I’m going to answer my own question.  I sent an email to Bellingrath Gardens asking what the top gardens are.  They replied:   Bouchard   Longview   Callaway   Biltmore   Bellingrath Cindy in Indy zone 5

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  My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.? Well, I’m going to answer my own question.  I sent an email to Bellingrath Gardens asking what the top gardens are.  They replied:   Bouchard   Longview   Callaway   Biltmore   Bellingrath

   A lot depends on what one defines as a "garden", or more importantly what type of garden you want to see.  There are gardens that have nice grounds, trees, and shrubbery (sometimes flowering in the spring), there are gardens with thousands of "set out" greenhouse plants, then there are gardens with perennial borders filled with thousands of different varieties selected and planned to grow in place.  I’m strongly biased in favor of the last on this list.   If "Bouchard" is Butchart Gardens on Vancouver Island then, because it relies heavily on set out plants, on "my" list it doesn’t even rank at the top of Vancouver gardens.  See http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/tours/vancouver/vancouver.html for views of several gardens in that area and make your own judgement.  Of course, growing conditions in the NW give them an unfair advantage which they pay for with ten to eleven months of gray skies. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I just returned from visiting Bellingrath Gardens which is south of Mobile, Alabama.  What a fabulous place My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.?  I want to see them all!

The Huntington in LA is sure worth a visit.  I especially enjoyed the cactus & succulent section. Scott http://users.uniserve.com/~lparker/    (SF stories & puzzles)

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I don’t know if it’s rated one of the top gardens, but last year I went to the gardens outside of Chicago (the name escapes me right now). They were absolutely beautiful. I’m hoping to go back again this year soon so I can see the bulb garden in bloom! I think this one is a definite must see:) Michelle the earth was not given to us by our parents, it was lent to us by our children.                 -kenyan proverb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just returned from visiting Bellingrath Gardens which is south of Mobile, Alabama.  What a fabulous place and to think I found it almost by accident.  I definitely recommend visiting it!  In its brochure it lists itself as among the top 5 public gardens in the U.S.   My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.?  I want to see them all! Cindy in Indy zone 5

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I just returned from visiting Bellingrath Gardens which is south of Mobile, Alabama.  What a fabulous place and to think I found it almost by accident.  I definitely recommend visiting it!  In its brochure it lists itself as among the top 5 public gardens in the U.S.   My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.?  I want to see them all! Cindy in Indy zone 5

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My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.?  I want to see them all!

    The Chicago Botanical garden is big, varied, and has lots of perennials.  I certainly havn’t seen them all, and I’m strongly biased toward places with perennial borders, but this is by far the best I’ve run across in the US. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/ has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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I just returned from visiting Bellingrath Gardens which is south of Mobile, Alabama.  What a fabulous place and to think I found it almost by accident.  I definitely recommend visiting it!  In its brochure it lists itself as among the top 5 public gardens in the U.S.   My question is what are the other top gardens in the U.S.?  I want to see them all! Cindy in Indy zone 5

I suggest Longwood Gardens outside of Philadelphia. Fabulous place!

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it!

Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies? Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Damn the bandwidth… Full speed ahead! I bet there a lot of great pics out there. Maybe we could develop a huge base of FF related clip art. The newletter people could alway use a good photo or drawing. dawsonH

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload?

A binary is generally a misnomer when it comes to how they appear on newsgroups.  A "binary" will generally be stored in uuencoded format or be a MIME attachment.  In either case, it will appear as ascii characters but not readable.  Once it’s decoded it becomes a binary.  A scanner is useful for *creating* binaries but there are other alternatives.  Places like Kinko’s will scan pictures for you and put the binary on a floppy. A lot of photo developing places now offer your pictures digitized into gif/jpeg files and returned on a floppy.  There is a place near hear that does it for $4 a roll of 24 exposures.  On the other hand, scanners are starting to get pretty cheap. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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: : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry

Tim is proposing a group in the alt hierarchy which means that the creation process is much easier then a group proposed in one of the *Big Eight* newsgroup hierarchies.  My first suggestion would be to take a look in alt.config and it should provide a newsgroup creation process.   It does no good whatsoever to post an "I vote yes" article here.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry

If there is interest, I will.  Thanks. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it! Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies?

And this little troll ? <g Where’e the smiley dave ? Hey Dave… I *tried*.  But was defeated by those much. much wiser then I. I *tried* hard to get a talk or politics subgroup in lieu of .tying, and was humiliated for my efforts… Don’t blame me, that’s fer damned sure… TimW

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      Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not   sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner   to upload?     No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format.     You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera   or video capture.     After that, it’s really easy.     TimW Sounds like a good idea to me. Getting something like a "Snappy" and your camcorder might be the cheapest way to go… Ted…

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format. You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture. After that, it’s really easy. TimWUsing binaries may seem scary at first but you can buy an Epson Photo PC

camera for less than a quality rangefinder automatic and it is truly automatic. Plus there are no film charges. The output is straight to the screen VGA in living 24 bit color. No scanning. No film and no prints. I use on a LOT and most of the closeups in Master Angler were done with one. Resolution problems? I dont think so! The insects look like they might bite and you can see every hair on a fly pattern. When you figure what you pay for a roll of film and development the camera pays for itself in a few months if you do any sort of photography. Hand scanners are dirt cheap now and they have excellent resolution. I have 3 scanners and any of them can scan a print and if your steady with the hand scanner you cant tell the difference from the flatbeds. Video capture is quite easy now but this would be my last choice. It works but not like the camera or the scanner. Digital video has come a long way and is a boon to those of us who want to keep our copyrighted videos from piracy as you get in VHS but the quality is not as good and either are the video captures made with the boards. If the lighting is good however they are very acceptable. Alt binaries is a medium we need to fill in the blanks. There are nuances in fly patterns tht will never be transmitted via a written materials list. I would vote yes Bob S — Bob Sheedy Arctic Fire Software Home of THE FISHING LOG and MASTER ANGLER http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

I agree.  Then we could post pictures of fish we caught, places we fished, whatever… Nicolo

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

Even better! Ever try to tie a new knot from typed instructions? — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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The response seems to favor it.   I tell ya what…if it’s an alt group, it seems like it would be not at all hard to do.   In order to get some respect in that area…we’d have to get on some scans and get some traffic going.   As it stands, the ng would be between .erotica and .fine_arts, not a bad place to be, but I can see a few of us getting lost up or downstream… I might just go ahead and create it.   TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it! Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies? Cheers! /dave

Go fer it! Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

I’d vote yes. Charlie…

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW I’d vote yes. Charlie…

Same here. – August Kristoferson Watercolor Fish Art http://www.eskimo.com/~augustk

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : What say ye all ? I think the traffic will be slow… really slow.  Why not just email any photos to the few who will want them? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Great idea, and I must say its nice to see you off the dogma kick. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

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: : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

 Sounds good to me  HM

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Great idea. Mike

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : What say ye all ? I think the traffic will be slow… really slow.  Why not just email any photos to the few who will want them?

Buy me a scanner Rick and the traffic will not be slow.   I would like to have the newsgroup in my list, when there is an image, I would almost certainly view it…wouldn’t you ?  I’d bet there is some incredible photo talent out there.  Even to be graced by some images of incredible watercolors I’ve seen by some of or friends. I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Go fer it! — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? jg

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format. You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture.

or simply have them developed onto a photo CD. TimW

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload?

No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format.   You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture. After that, it’s really easy. TimW

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  I want to know if there are any good flyfishing at good prices in Montana, Idaho, Orgen, and my state Washington.

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HI. i was just going to leave a message to the whole newsgroug about Montana Fly  Fishing at my Dude Ranch Hawley Mountain  near McLeod, Mt on the Boulder River. You can call 406-932-5791 or E-Mail me your address and I ll send you a Brochure. See my Message under GONE FISHING TO MONTANA. BBlewett

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