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Whom’s Never read or heard that one before!

That’s the sound of things going right by him. — Charlie…

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On the way home from some errands, I stopped in at a local pawn shop. I like pawn shops and have purchased quite a few things from them in the past. They strangely, had a very large assortment of boxes of fly tying hooks in various sizes, styles and manufacturers in a large bag. After some haggling, I purchased them. There were about forty boxes of hooks. Some boxes had a couple hundred hooks and some as few as twenty or so. Lots of hooks. It was a collection made over time with a wide range of manufacturers: TMC, Dai Rikki, DaiChi, Mustad, Partridge, Tiemco, and a couple others. I decided to try and consolidate these hooks with the hooks I already had on hand so I wouldn’t have some many boxes of hooks. I thought it would be easy, for example a size 12 standard dry will be the same, or at least very close, for all manufacturers. Not even close. Even comparing hooks that were the same in terms of size, wire weight, shaft length, bend style etc., the differences were striking. The thing that was most enlightening to me was the difference between the sizes among the different manufacturers. I always thought that hook size was standardized and was based on the hook gap. This doesn’t seem to be so. For example, there was a size 22 hook from one manufacturer that had the same hook gape as an 18 from a different manufacturer, even though the styles were identical. Length of shaft and wire weight also varied widely among the manufacturers even with the same description. This is something I should have noticed in my years of tying but until I directly compared various manufacturers’ hooks to each other, I didn’t notice it. It seems that the differences between the manufacturers’ hooks was most pronounced in the smaller sized hooks. I was disappointed that the pawnshop didn’t have any of the person that pawned the hooks, tackle or fly tying materials. I did get a few other things in the bag with the hooks. Most of it was junk but I did get several carded and snelled Pott’s Hand Woven Hair Flies. Since there was a discussion on them recently I scanned them and posted them to ABPF. Willi

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[snipped] I was disappointed that the pawnshop didn’t have any of the person that pawned the hooks, tackle or fly tying materials.

Apparently, the broker wouldn’t meet his price. Maybe he wasn’t quality material? /daytripper (Wondering what you’d tie up with a piece of "deadbeat"

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[snipped] I was disappointed that the pawnshop didn’t have any of the person that pawned the hooks, tackle or fly tying materials. Apparently, the broker wouldn’t meet his price. Maybe he wasn’t quality material? /daytripper (Wondering what you’d tie up with a piece of "deadbeat"

A Ginkles Special…..(?) TC, R

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[snipped] I was disappointed that the pawnshop didn’t have any of the person that pawned the hooks, tackle or fly tying materials. Apparently, the broker wouldn’t meet his price. Maybe he wasn’t quality material?

I was thinking he must be used to pretty tough pawn shops. <g — Charlie…

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[snipped] I was disappointed that the pawnshop didn’t have any of the person that pawned the hooks, tackle or fly tying materials.

Odd, I heard they invariably ask for an arm and a leg. TL MC

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  There were about forty boxes of hooks. Some boxes had a couple hundred hooks and some as few as twenty or so. Lots of hooks. It was a collection made over time with a wide range of manufacturers: TMC, Dai Rikki, DaiChi, Mustad, Partridge, Tiemco, and a couple others. I decided to try and consolidate these hooks with the hooks I already had on hand so I wouldn’t have some many boxes of hooks. I thought it would be easy, for example a size 12 standard dry will be the same, or at least very close, for all manufacturers. Not even close.

    I keep my hooks the drawer of an old dresser. For the most part, they are still in the original packaging, so there are several hundred packages and maybe fifteen different types of packages. The drawer is usually a mess and it’s quite difficult to find what I’m looking for, even though I periodically tidy everything up and arrange them according to size and style. (It seems like it only stays tidy for a week or so)This mess is to blame for a huge amount of duplication, in that I frequently buy hooks I thought I was out of, only to later find out I had a couple hundred left. Anyhow, last weekend I figured I’d get everything organized, so I went out and bout a bunch of Spirit River 21 compartment storage containers. I carried all of my hooks down to the dining room table and laboriously arranged them by type and size, with the intention of dumping different brands of the same size/type in the same compartment. I ran up against the same problem Willi described, and decided to just forget about it.     Willi- do you want to swap some hook containers for hooks? I can bring them by tomorrow.

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I was disappointed that the pawnshop didn’t have any of the person that pawned the hooks, tackle or fly tying materials.

It was interesting the way you worded that – what part of the body did you want to haggle for ? Well, that is a sad situation you point out.  How are we supposed to figure out what someone means when they say the fish are taking size 22 BWOs?

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I dunno Willi. Gaining from someone else’s misfortune would seem to me to be bad fishing mojo….and looking for more gain in the form of some destitute brother of the angle’s hocked hackles would be courting skunking, or worse. Your best bet would be to give them all away to a kid and replace them immediately at full price. Your pal, — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer

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I dunno Willi. Gaining from someone else’s misfortune would seem to me to be bad fishing mojo….and looking for more gain in the form of some destitute brother of the angle’s hocked hackles would be courting skunking, or worse. Your best bet would be to give them all away to a kid and replace them immediately at full price.

Just shi…er, pull that out of your ass, did ya…? HTH, R

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 It seems that the differences between the manufacturers’ hooks was most pronounced in the smaller sized hooks.

I noticed this when looking to buy some 24’s for griffith gnats. The shop had Tiemco 24’s that were definitely bigger than Mustad 22’s. IIRC the hook gaps were the same, but the shaft on the Tiemco 24’s was longer (I could have the 2 manufacturers reversed, though). I thought it strange, but having worked in software standards I know the slippery slope of what a ’standard’ is Rob

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[snipped] I was disappointed that the pawnshop didn’t have any of the person that pawned the hooks, tackle or fly tying materials. Apparently, the broker wouldn’t meet his price. Maybe he wasn’t quality material?

Oops. That didn’t come out too well. I’m not a dealer, or user, of used body parts. That’s the stuff of cyberpunk science fiction. Willi

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 It seems that the differences between the manufacturers’ hooks was most pronounced in the smaller sized hooks. I noticed this when looking to buy some 24’s for griffith gnats. The shop had Tiemco 24’s that were definitely bigger than Mustad 22’s. IIRC the hook gaps were the same, but the shaft on the Tiemco 24’s was longer (I could have the 2 manufacturers reversed, though). I thought it strange, but having worked in software standards I know the slippery slope of what a ’standard’ is Rob

And WHO (?) or Whom’s Standard should it be you compare with Rob? — George Gehrke  

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    Earlier today I e-mailed Willi a picture of an attractive young lady in a library, wearing thick glasses and little else (see last weeks Boulder library thread). Willi hasn’t answered or posted anything to roff since then, so I can only assume Susan opened the e-mail and promptly killed the poor guy.              (snif)

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    Earlier today I e-mailed Willi a picture of an attractive young lady in a library, wearing thick glasses and little else (see last weeks Boulder library thread). Willi hasn’t answered or posted anything to roff since then, so I can only assume Susan opened the e-mail and promptly killed the poor guy.              (snif)

Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture? You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town?  When there’s water flowing, the lower Poudre has been very good.  Lots of midges out with the fish feeding all day. The trout in the canyon although catchable are icecubes already. Willi

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town?

Hah! Now she is after you Charlie.  You’re next on the endangered fly fisherman’s list! — Warren www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town? Hah! Now she is after you Charlie.  You’re next on the endangered fly fisherman’s list!

   Yup, I wasn’t fooled for a second. I wonder if Sue’s a very good fly fisher?

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Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture?

   Well I, for one, hope she never finds us in bed together.

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Not something that Susan would give a shit about, well maybe if she found us in bed together, but a picture?    Well I, for one, hope she never finds us in bed together.

ME too!!!! When I reread it after posting, I knew it didn’t sound right. Willi

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You mentioned fishing.  Think you could get us on one of those stretches you have "ins" on just outside of town? Willi

  Careful, Willi.  I had the pleasure of spending last Friday evening with Charlie & Pat for a visit and supper (and a fine cigar).  The next day, Charlie took me to one of his secret fishing holes.  I caught giant bluegill, crappie, a largemouth and a couple of different species of trout.  All on streamers.  What a beautiful day.  Must have caught 20 fish (to Charlie’s 40?).  But, my shoulder may never be the same.  Put a "hitch" in it setting the hook so many times.  I tried an ice pack but the only thing that seems to relieve the hurt is some ‘ol Mil. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Hell I forgot this place, try it first: Charleston Angler  843-571-3899) jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cap’t Champ Smith, can be booked through Buck n Bass Mount Pleasant SC. He will provide all the gear, be prepared to be humbled. jim Greeting Friends, I will be tagging along with my wife for a business trip to Charleston, South Carolina on November 12th and would like to try a guided trip in Saltwater (the flats hopefully).  I have never fished the Salt with a Fly rod and am jazzed about the possibilities.  Unfortunately with no experience I am not sure how to start looking for a quality guide, I have searched the net and found several but I am not sure of the correct questions to help me decide who might be the best. I also do not have Saltwater Fly equipment and will have to rely on decent equipment being supplied by the Captain. If anybody has had any experience with fishing SC this time of year and could recommend a good guide I would be very grateful.  Also any advice as to what fish are still active for fly fishing this time of year and necessary equipment and flies that I should start tying would be much appreciated. You gentlemen have always been instrumental in my fly fishing education for which I will be forever thankful. Sincerely, Tony Norton

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I was down there (Kiawah) this past June, tried doing saltwater for the first time by myself. Got skunked…next time I will get Dave Crosby at Charleston Angler. Went by the shop,,,real nice folks. Tim, not giving up on sw yet, Long – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hell I forgot this place, try it first: Charleston Angler 843-571-3899) jim Cap’t Champ Smith, can be booked through Buck n Bass Mount Pleasant SC. He will provide all the gear, be prepared to be humbled. jim Greeting Friends, I will be tagging along with my wife for a business trip to Charleston, South Carolina on November 12th and would like to try a guided trip in Saltwater (the flats hopefully).  I have never fished the Salt with a Fly rod and am jazzed about the possibilities.  Unfortunately with no experience I am not sure how to start looking for a quality guide, I have searched the net and found several but I am not sure of the correct questions to help me decide who might be the best. I also do not have Saltwater Fly equipment and will have to rely on decent equipment being supplied by the Captain. If anybody has had any experience with fishing SC this time of year and could recommend a good guide I would be very grateful.  Also any advice as to what fish are still active for fly fishing this time of year and necessary equipment and flies that I should start tying would be much appreciated. You gentlemen have always been instrumental in my fly fishing education for which I will be forever thankful. Sincerely, Tony Norton

Before you buy.

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Greeting Friends, I will be tagging along with my wife for a business trip to Charleston, South Carolina on November 12th and would like to try a guided trip in Saltwater (the flats hopefully).  I have never fished the Salt with a Fly rod and am jazzed about the possibilities.  Unfortunately with no experience I am not sure how to start looking for a quality guide, I have searched the net and found several but I am not sure of the correct questions to help me decide who might be the best. I also do not have Saltwater Fly equipment and will have to rely on decent equipment being supplied by the Captain. If anybody has had any experience with fishing SC this time of year and could recommend a good guide I would be very grateful.  Also any advice as to what fish are still active for fly fishing this time of year and necessary equipment and flies that I should start tying would be much appreciated. You gentlemen have always been instrumental in my fly fishing education for which I will be forever thankful. Sincerely, Tony Norton

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Hey Tony check out NGTO they have a lot of members who fish all over I bet they will be able to help you out . Gray Ghost http://www.georgia-outdoors.com/ngto/ Check the message board and register and ask your questions all fisherman welcome.

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Cap’t Champ Smith, can be booked through Buck n Bass Mount Pleasant SC. He will provide all the gear, be prepared to be humbled. jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greeting Friends, I will be tagging along with my wife for a business trip to Charleston, South Carolina on November 12th and would like to try a guided trip in Saltwater (the flats hopefully).  I have never fished the Salt with a Fly rod and am jazzed about the possibilities.  Unfortunately with no experience I am not sure how to start looking for a quality guide, I have searched the net and found several but I am not sure of the correct questions to help me decide who might be the best. I also do not have Saltwater Fly equipment and will have to rely on decent equipment being supplied by the Captain. If anybody has had any experience with fishing SC this time of year and could recommend a good guide I would be very grateful.  Also any advice as to what fish are still active for fly fishing this time of year and necessary equipment and flies that I should start tying would be much appreciated. You gentlemen have always been instrumental in my fly fishing education for which I will be forever thankful. Sincerely, Tony Norton

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I don’t want to sully the newsgroup with "tell me where’ stuff, but I have a special request of sorts.  I recently remarried a CA lady whose roots are in the East bay area.  We are going to visit her sister in June and her (now my…) 10 yr old nephew really wants to learn to fly fish. I’m a PA boy and know nothing of the area.  Anyone who can give me a location where a kid can catch a few bluegills (or whatever) from shore on flies within an hour or so of Walnut Creek/Richmond/El Sobrante CA, please let me know so I can take the kid fishing. I believe if we don’t set the next generation on fire for the water and the sport, all else we do is beside the point.  If you have any ideas, please post them here or email me. Help me save a kid from video games and the gawdamn web.   All responses appreciated. Thanks so much. Bob  

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I looked through some of my CA fishing books, and San Pablo Resirvoir near Berkeley may be a good bet. I’ve never fish there, so you will have to scout out the location and make a determination. Borders sells a couple of books on CA fishing, and one of them is called "Fresh Water Fishing in California" you might want to check out. it has maps and detailed descriptions of techniques and setups. You can also try calling your local tackle store for local info. There is also a SF radio show at 6am on sunday mornings on the 680 AM dial that has fishing reports for the CA and southern Oregon areas. I often DX on my HF rig from Portland area on sunday mornings to follow the striper reports in SF Bay and and Coos Bay. Try calling in and ask! Good Luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t want to sully the newsgroup with "tell me where’ stuff, but I have a special request of sorts.  I recently remarried a CA lady whose roots are in the East bay area.  We are going to visit her sister in June and her (now my…) 10 yr old nephew really wants to learn to fly fish. I’m a PA boy and know nothing of the area.  Anyone who can give me a location where a kid can catch a few bluegills (or whatever) from shore on flies within an hour or so of Walnut Creek/Richmond/El Sobrante CA, please let me know so I can take the kid fishing. I believe if we don’t set the next generation on fire for the water and the sport, all else we do is beside the point.  If you have any ideas, please post them here or email me. Help me save a kid from video games and the gawdamn web.   All responses appreciated. Thanks so much. Bob  

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I looked through some of my CA fishing books, and San Pablo Resirvoir near Berkeley may be a good bet. I’ve never fish there, so you will have to scout out the location and make a determination.

Yes, San Pablo Reservoir is excellent, although you might want to consider renting a boat there since the best fishing tends to be on the far side (of course…) of the reservoir, or at the ends.  Most of the bank fishing near the public access tends to be Power Bait fishing for trout. Also, I think it’s maybe better for a kid to be flyfishing from a boat since there is less likelihood of getting snagged in trees and bushes. (At least that’s true for me!) You can also look into Del Valle Reservoir, Shadow Cliffs, and Lake Chabot, all probably not more than 30 minutes away. Borders sells a couple of books on CA fishing, and one of them is called "Fresh Water Fishing in California" you might want to check out. it has maps and detailed descriptions of techniques and setups. You can also try calling your local tackle store for local info.

The best all around guidebook, by far, IMHO, is California Fishing, by Tom Stienstra, published by Foghorn Press.  Not only are there descriptions and maps, but fishing quality ratings as well. Richard Morrison Menlo Park, CA

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You may want to try Lafayette Reservoir too … Bassing Lake Berryessa … and the Delta has lots of locations for fun fishing … John

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I don’t want to sully the newsgroup with "tell me where’ stuff, but I have a special request of sorts.  I recently remarried a CA lady whose roots are in the East bay area.  We are going to visit her sister in June and her (now my…) 10 yr old nephew really wants to learn to fly fish. I’m a PA boy and know nothing of the area.  Anyone who can give me a location where a kid can catch a few bluegills (or whatever) from shore on flies within an hour or so of Walnut Creek/Richmond/El Sobrante CA, please let me know so I can take the kid fishing. All responses appreciated. Thanks so much. Bob

   At 10, if he’s fished at all, he knows where the spots are. It’s basically just a change of gear and tactics. I still fish my mother in laws favorite fishing hole, I guess I was kinda her favorite because I would go fishing with her, she loved to fish.                                                          John Popp                                                       in Sanford Fl.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t want to sully the newsgroup with "tell me where’ stuff, but I have a special request of sorts.  I recently remarried a CA lady whose roots are in the East bay area.  We are going to visit her sister in June and her (now my…) 10 yr old nephew really wants to learn to fly fish. I’m a PA boy and know nothing of the area.  Anyone who can give me a location where a kid can catch a few bluegills (or whatever) from shore on flies within an hour or so of Walnut Creek/Richmond/El Sobrante CA, please let me know so I can take the kid fishing. I believe if we don’t set the next generation on fire for the water and the sport, all else we do is beside the point.  If you have any ideas, please post them here or email me. Help me save a kid from video games and the gawdamn web. All responses appreciated. Thanks so much. Bob

Aloha Bob,   Check out http://usafishing.com for California fishing reports and check out the links California Lakes, Central Valley Rivers, and Delta Report.  The Delta (north of Tracy) is fun for Stripers and Largemouth, Lake Chabot was okay though slow at times.  Del Valle and San Pedro are great IF you have a boat.  The most fun I had was fishing a stream in Rancho Murrieta outside of Sacremento for all kinds of panfish, sorry but don’t recall the name of the stream but it was the only one in the area. Spy in Hawaii

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under different conditions and different geographical locations, with us reporting back every week/month. (George, you have 2 volunteers right now). Waddaya think? Big Al…….

I will volunteer to cover the North Texas area. I can count on about a dozen members of The Roadkill Roundtable to help with the project. Big Dale

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I would be more than will to test rod breaking strength, warranty compliance and retrieval from forgotten locations, aspects often overlooked about – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – under different conditions and different geographical locations, with us reporting back every week/month. (George, you have 2 volunteers right now). Waddaya think? Big Al……. I will volunteer to cover the North Texas area. I can count on about a dozen members of The Roadkill Roundtable to help with the project. Big Dale

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Nahh, man, you’re missing the obvious gold mine. According to Matt, all we need to do is certify each other as guides and we’ll get 60% off everything! Heck, you guided me and others on the RF. Come on down and I’ll guide you in the Gila. The NC boys are about to guide a whole clave! We’ll all join the Sage Tackle Team. Jon "I was CPR-certified 15 years ago if that counts" Cook.

    always good to hear from a colleague!  how’s business, fellow guide?     for the firm ol 60% himself, wayno

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I would be more than happy to write articles "from the beginner’s perspective", i.e., chronicling the abuses beginning anglers put on equipment, through humorous anecdotes.  I would also apply to be one of the Washington (the one with Steelheads, not softheads, I’ve lived there too) corespondents but there may be some competition, I hear there may be one or two other anglers in the state :0) Hatch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy All. If any of you are in the flyfishing tackle manufacturing or retail business, I just wanted to let you all know that I provide excellent and comprehensive field testing and critical review of any/all products. Simply mail me the equipment you need tested and I promise I will. Of course, the equipment can not be returned. Always glad to help out where I can. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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<<Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer

T-Bone, I think you may be on to something there. We need to start a new business, (costing us nothing of course). At least 10 ROFFIANS from each state should be field testing equipment, including the Bastard and the Grand Am. This would give a companies a wide variety of hands on usage under different conditions and different geographical locations, with us reporting back every week/month. (George, you have 2 volunteers right now). Waddaya think? Big Al……. Man, you guys are gonna get in trouble.  I can hear the black helocopters hovering and the Usenet Gestapos waiting to getcha!  

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Howdy All. If any of you are in the flyfishing tackle manufacturing or retail business, I just wanted to let you all know that I provide excellent and comprehensive field testing and critical review of any/all products. Simply mail me the equipment you need tested and I promise I will. Of course, the equipment can not be returned. Always glad to help out where I can. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy All. If any of you are in the flyfishing tackle manufacturing or retail business, I just wanted to let you all know that I provide excellent and comprehensive field testing and critical review of any/all products. Simply mail me the equipment you need tested and I promise I will. Of course, the equipment can not be returned. Always glad to help out where I can. Your pal, — TimW, Halfordian Golfer

T-Bone, I think you may be on to something there. We need to start a new business, (costing us nothing of course). At least 10 ROFFIANS from each state should be field testing equipment, including the Bastard and the Grand Am. This would give a companies a wide variety of hands on usage under different conditions and different geographical locations, with us reporting back every week/month. (George, you have 2 volunteers right now). Waddaya think? Big Al…….

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Thanks Dan and all who responded to my inquiry.  I have an email in (which preceded my opening of this thread by 10 days, and remains unanswered) to ODFW, and we willsee what they say.  If I do not hear from them shortly, I will revert to primitive technology and use the telephone, if I can find it amongst all these damn feathers…:)   Thanks Ken, too.. If you hear from the Oregon agency folks via email, hope you will let us know here. Tks! Bob

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get the lead out! Safe with bismuth and other such as copper, (for now) Schuhfly

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Last September, when we honeymooned around Bend, we were fishing the Fall and the Metolius and were told by other anglers (well, one in each place, actually..) that no lead (ie:split shot, putty, etc.) was permitted in either river.  Nor were lead-weighted flies.  So, we did not use them. However, I scoured the Oregon regs booklet and could find no such regs specific to either river. We plan to return next month for a week and want to abide by the law, however, we’d also like to be able to fish nymphs in the conventional manner we do here in the east, with lead on the leader, etc.  Can anyone clarify this for me? Is it really the law?  Additionally, if it is so, does the prohibition extend to the non toxic shots and putties?  Any help appreciated.. In return, we promise not to move to Oregon, but reserve the right to visit occasionally…:)  Thanks!

I don’t know for sure, but I’ve never heard of it, and I couldn’t find it in the regs either.  It might be encouraged, but I don’t think it’s a reg…yet. You still have to not move here though.  :-) Later,      - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself

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I know lead is not permitted either (because I’ve been told too!) but if I nymph I use beadheads – pheasant tails,etc. Bill

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Last September, when we honeymooned around Bend, we were fishing the Fall and the Metolius and were told by other anglers (well, one in each place, actually..) that no lead (ie:split shot, putty, etc.) was permitted in either river.  Nor were lead-weighted flies.  So, we did not use them. However, I scoured the Oregon regs booklet and could find no such regs specific to either river. We plan to return next month for a week and want to abide by the law, however, we’d also like to be able to fish nymphs in the conventional manner we do here in the east, with lead on the leader, etc.  Can anyone clarify this for me? Is it really the law?  Additionally, if it is so, does the prohibition extend to the non toxic shots and putties?  Any help appreciated.. In return, we promise not to move to Oregon, but reserve the right to visit occasionally…:)  Thanks!  

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Looking at the 1998 regs: P7: Artificial fly: a hook (weighted or nonweighted) dressed with conventional fly materials only; a fly is not a hook to which sinkers, molded weights or plastic bodies, spinners, spoons, or similar attractors are attached I read this to say that, for example, lead wire wrapped on the hook is OK, but split shot on the line is not. P51: Fall River: Restricted to fly angling only with barbless hooks P52: Metolius River: Restricted to artificial flies and lures downstream from bridge 99. Restricted to artificial flies only upstream from bridge 99. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know lead is not permitted either (because I’ve been told too!) but if I nymph I use beadheads – pheasant tails,etc. Bill

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Hmmm, I know that a lot of fly-fishing people use split-shot around here, I wonder if it’s only an issue in fly-fishing only waters.  I’m gonna email somebody at ODFW and ask. If waters are open to artificial flies and lures (Metolius) then I would read that to mean that split-shot is okay.  I’ll post whatever response I get.      - Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking at the 1998 regs: P7: Artificial fly: a hook (weighted or nonweighted) dressed with conventional fly materials only; a fly is not a hook to which sinkers, molded weights or plastic bodies, spinners, spoons, or similar attractors are attached I read this to say that, for example, lead wire wrapped on the hook is OK, but split shot on the line is not. P51: Fall River: Restricted to fly angling only with barbless hooks P52: Metolius River: Restricted to artificial flies and lures downstream from bridge 99. Restricted to artificial flies only upstream from bridge 99. I know lead is not permitted either (because I’ve been told too!) but if I nymph I use beadheads – pheasant tails,etc. Bill

— Not speaking for anyone but myself

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(RLPPT) writes: Last September, when we honeymooned around Bend, we were fishing the Fall and the Metolius and were told by other anglers (well, one in each place, actually..) that no lead (ie:split shot, putty, etc.) was permitted in either river.  Nor were lead-weighted flies.  So, we did not use them. However, I scoured the Oregon regs booklet and could find no such regs specific to either river. We plan to return next month for a week and want to abide by the law, however, we’d also like to be able to fish nymphs in the conventional manner we do here in the east, with lead on the leader, etc.  Can anyone clarify this for me? Is it really the law?  Additionally, if it is so, does the prohibition extend to the non toxic shots and putties?  Any help appreciated.. In return, we promise not to move to Oregon, but reserve the right to visit occasionally…:)  Thanks!  

Hi RLPPT, When I lived in Oregon (76 – 87), lead on the leader was not allowed in any "fly fishing  only" waters such as the upper part of the North Umpqua River (don’t know if it’s still designated so).  So, you need to check the general regs on "fly fishing only" waters or what defines fly fishing as far as Oregon is concerned.   There was no prohibition against lead in the fly, just not allowed on the leader.  Story goes this came about because some folks were snagging steelhead and salmon by using huge flies with double hooks and huge chunks of lead on the leader to get around the ff only regs.   Part of the Metolius at the time was also designated ff only then, and again you couldn’t use lead on the leader.  Fish in this spring creek part of the river (changes as you move downstream) were partial to small flies which were really hard to get down to them without weight.  Folks would tie up some larger weighted nymphs (even stoneflies) and run a small PT on a dropper.  Fish always took the PT.  The Tungsten Beads (much heavier than the normal beads) used as a thorax on a PT make it possible to get down a small fly without the second heavily weighted one. This one is probably worth a call to the Oregon DFW.                                      Good Fishing                                         Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday morning on a week fishing & camping trip. Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent.

Without knowing where you are going to be, I would have to say that anywhere is just fine. 14,000 lakes are filled with bass and sunnies galore.  Carp too, if you can get one. There are plenty of rivers offering smallies, drum, white bass, etc. The trout live in the northeast area above Duluth and also in the southeast along the Whitewater and Root river systems. Have fun and leave a few for the locals. Jon Russell FlyFish Minnesota

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Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday morning on a week fishing & camping trip. Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent. Thanks, –Kris Jacobs Kalamazoo, MI

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: Hello, all… I am leaving for Minnesota (from Michigan) this Saturday : morning on a week fishing & camping trip. : Can anyone tell me good places for fly-fishing?  Good places for trout, : smallmouth bass, etc… I am species indifferent. Geez….. That state is a fair sized piece of real estate! How far are you willing to drive?  Could you be a little more particular about which corner your gonna be in? If it were up to me, I’d go straight to the BWCA.  But then again, I’m gonna be there next month. — Jon Porter

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writes: If Dave Whitlock isn’t the alltime Master of flyfishing then I don’t

know who is. For all around knowledge and no frills fishing ideas I prefer Lefty Kreh.

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For all around knowledge and no frills fishing ideas I prefer Lefty Kreh.

all around knowledge ? Red Green gets my vote. Tim Walker

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How could you forget Lee Wulff, my favorite?

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writes: If Dave Whitlock isn’t the alltime Master of flyfishing then I don’t know who is. For all around knowledge and no frills fishing ideas I prefer Lefty Kreh.

Lefty Kreh is one of the masters, but please, for "no frills" saltwater flies and fishing, my man is Lou Tabory!   —- "Just say no to bait"

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I just finished reviewing Jack Samson’s new biography of Lee Wullf. Super book. The review should be posted in the magazine early next week. — ** Louis Bignami, Publisher         http://www.finefishing.com Fine Fishing Internet Magazine                "largest fishing mag on the Net" **

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Check out the Fly & Field Website!  They have Dave Whitlock!  He is writing articles and fly recipes, and answering questions!  I am PSYCHED!!  If DW isn’t the alltime Master of flyfishing then I don’t know who is. I’ve been collecting his books and drawings for several years and I even got to meet him once at a fishing show in San Francisco.  He is the nicest person and his knowledge is so vast on so many topics of flyfishing it’s incredible.  I’m sorry if I sound like a blithering idiot, but this is too much.   The site is at http://www.flyfield.com/ but you can go straight to Dave at http://www.flyfield.com/dw2.htm.  They are also highlighting Davy Wotton. Does anybody know about him?  Apparently he is like the Dave Whitlock of Europe.  

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We are planning a warm weather bonefishing vacation for mid February.  My son and I want to try flyfishing for this great saltwater fish for the first time in a location that will provide good, relaxing beach time for my wife. I  know nothing about the possible seasonable impact on the quality of the fishing.  I am looking for help on where we should plan to go in February (Florida Keys, Bahamas, Carribean, Mexico?).  Please advise.

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You could try any of those locales,but at that time of year, the farther south you go the better your chances for good weather. I’d put my money on Belize, and again the farther south the better. Look into going to Placentia. Even if you have bad weather, you can always go up into the monkey river to fish and there are lots of diversions for non fishing people. The Bones are small but plentiful,and there are Tarpon and you can expect to see LOTS of Permit. If the weather is VERY good you can go out to the reef and catch just about anything. Phil

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Does anybody have any information on fly fishing in the Linville Falls community area. I have been camping near there in the past and looked like a nice place to go. I have never been Fly fishing before, but would like to try since someone gave me some gear. Thanks for any info. Chris

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I forgot to put that is Linville Falls community in N.C.

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