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Not Bill McNeese, but Dave McNeese.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Adam, The clear intermediate slow sinking tropical lines are designed for fishing in the warm weather out of a boat. I would overline one size larger than your rod size so it will handle those larger flies better. I would use an SA/Mastery "Tarpon" monocore slow sinking clear WF10S on a #9 rod for your trip. I would also do the same thing with a WF10F Mastery "Tarpon" floater for poppers. Or you could put a WF11 on a #10 rod ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

Hi Marilyn, Your response brought up one more question: My 9 wt is a Sage 3-pc saltwater RPLX (I think, it’s about 6 years old), and I am a reasonable caster, do you still recommend overlining the rod.  I’ve had my rods built by Bill McNeese (steelhead fisherman out of Seattle) and he has always told me to use the same wt line. Regards, Adam

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For that kind of fishing I have been using the intermediate tip lines. made by everybody now and I use Cortland.  Really helps to load the line and when fishing with big streamers is really a help, especially when blind casting all day.

What are the casting qualities of an intermediate tipped line?  Does it hinge?  Do they do well in warm water. Do I have to bring it all the way to the boat.  My concern here is that as I fish the shore, will I be able to pick the line up and get it back to the shore the way one can do it with a floating line (ie, will I be able to keep the distance from the boat to shore relatively constant)?  About how deep will it go, do they have the regular 1-2"/minute sink rates? Thanks, Adam

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Hi Adam, The clear intermediate slow sinking tropical lines are designed for fishing in the warm weather out of a boat. I would overline one size larger than your rod size so it will handle those larger flies better. I would use an SA/Mastery "Tarpon" monocore slow sinking clear WF10S on a #9 rod for your trip. I would also do the same thing with a WF10F Mastery "Tarpon" floater for poppers. Or you could put a WF11 on a #10 rod ? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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For that kind of fishing I have been using the intermediate tip lines.   made by everybody now and I use Cortland.  Really helps to load the line and when fishing with big streamers is really a help, especially when blind casting all day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Going to Amazon to fly fish for peacock bass.  It has been suggested to use an intermediate sinking monocore line.  I’ll be casting large, but hopefully not too wind resistant streamers (6-8", made from Kinky Fibre Deceiver type-no feathers and poppers (1/2 to 3/4" closed foam cell heads).  I’ve never used this line and before I get one, I’d like to know the characteristics (pluses and minuses, if you will) of this line when used in warm water and largish flies.  Thanks, Adam —

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What is it about color blindness that would impair one’s ability to see a fly on the water ?

It effects your ability to pick out certain colors on certain color backgrounds. For example, I have trouble seeing red objects on a green background, so a red fly on the water with trees reflected would be more difficult to see than the same fly on the water with blue sky reflected. — Charlie…

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What is it about color blindness that would impair one’s ability to see a fly on the water ? It effects your ability to pick out certain colors on certain color backgrounds. For example, I have trouble seeing red objects on a green background, so a red fly on the water with trees reflected would be more difficult to see than the same fly on the water with blue sky reflected. — Charlie…

I’d think that the key to visibility under these conditions would be to use flies. leaders, indicators, etc. that have high contrast differences rather than colour differences.  Red and green have about the same reflectance so somebody with RG colour blindness would have trouble distinguishing a red item against a green background as both would appear to be a similar colour and there would be very little contrast between them. As far as seeing fish – I don’t think that is much of an issue – it becomes a matter of learning the water.  My home river is off colour for most of the season so trying to locate holding fish by sight is damn near impossible.  Unless they’re rising, I fish to likely spots rather than to fish I have seen. Even though I am not colour blind, I spent years as a black & white photographer and after a while, I could visualize a scene in black & white.  I would use a green or red filter if I wanted to emphasize greens and reds.  Take a picture of a red rose against green leaves without a filter and they appear the same grey tone in the photo – add a green filter and the leaves go pale and the rose goes almost black. The green filter allows the green wavelengths to pass through but blocks the reds.  I’m not suggesting that someone who has RG colour blindness wear green sunglasses, but we can take the principles of contrast in B&W photography and apply it to the problem. To help with contrast, Borger suggests using indicators that have a bright colour plus black.  The bright color shows up on dark water and the black shows up against bright water or a light bottom.  In some lighting conditions (e.g. backlighting), even someone with normal colour vision will not be able to see the colours and has to rely on contrast. HTH Peter

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Bob- Post your question to sci.med.vision, and you’ll probably get more information than you’ll care to read. Without knowing anything about the method, I suggest you email the company and ask for a list of "PEER REVIEWED" publications describing the efficacy of their techniques.  If you email me the list you get, I’ll try to figure out if they are peer reviewed or not. If they can’t provide you with this list, hold on to your $700. Of course, if the product is all they say it is, they won’t be afraid to offer a money-back guarantee, would they?? Scott

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, There are relatively new glasses being sold by an outfit called Colormax to supposedly help discriminate between reds and greens.  They are available in prescriptions.  Not sure re polarized availability. They are Very expensive;  about $ 700 per pair, I think. Have Absolutely NO idea if they work or not. I’ve been beating the bushes for about a year now, trying to get opinions on them. Opinions seem very varied.   Some have said they help, others not. Just posting this so you know they exist. —-Anyone else here tried them ??—- Bob — As a relative newbie to flyfishing in the mountain streams of Colorado, I’ve come to realize that my color blindness has proven to be quite a problem in locating fish, flies (wet and dry) and pretty much anything else in the water.  I’ve tried various types of polarized sunglasses but, short of a fluorescent strike indicator, I can’t see anything beyond the end of my flyline.  Any fish I’ve caught have been by sheer luck (although I’d never admit it in public). Has any one else out there had similar problems or know anyone else that has overcome this unfortunate disadvantage?  I’m not a big fan a strike indicators and I look like a pretty big goof tying one above a dry fly, but I’m out of options. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jafo

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FDA TALK PAPER Food and Drug Administration U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Public Health Service 5600 Fishers Lane Rockville, MD 20857 —- FDA Talk Papers are prepared by the Press Office to guide FDA personnel in responding with consistency and accuracy to questions from the public on subjects of current interest. Talk Papers are subject to change as more information becomes available. —- T99-58                                    Sharon Snider:    301-827-6242 December 21, 1999                         Broadcast Media:  301-827-3434                                           Consumer Media:   888-INFO-FDA COLORMAX LENSES The FDA has received a number of media inquiries about ColorMax eyeglass lenses, which are being promoted widely as a way to correct color blindness. Some of the claims in these promotions may be misleading. The following can be used to answer questions: ColorMax lenses, made by Color Vision Technologies, Inc., Tustin, Calif., were cleared for market by FDA in November. They are tinted prescription spectacle lenses intended as an optical aid for people with red-green color vision deficiencies. The lenses do not help wearers perceive or appreciate colors as people with normal color vision do, but merely add brightness/darkness differences to colors that are otherwise difficult or impossible to distinguish. ColorMax lenses are designed to improve discrimination of specific colors that look the same to people with regreen color deficiencies. However, discrimination of at least some other colors is actually impaired. ColorMax lenses are not effective for people who are totally color blind. Very few people are truly color blind, and these lenses will not help them to see colors. Most people with color vision problems have partial color vision deficiencies that make it difficult to distinguish between red and green or between yellow and blue. FDA marketing clearance for ColorMax Lenses is limited to red-green color deficiencies, and does not include yellow-blue deficiencies or total color blindness. http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/ANS00990.html — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob- Post your question to sci.med.vision, and you’ll probably get more information than you’ll care to read. Without knowing anything about the method, I suggest you email the company and ask for a list of "PEER REVIEWED" publications describing the efficacy of their techniques.  If you email me the list you get, I’ll try to figure out if they are peer reviewed or not. If they can’t provide you with this list, hold on to your $700. Of course, if the product is all they say it is, they won’t be afraid to offer a money-back guarantee, would they?? Scott Hi, There are relatively new glasses being sold by an outfit called Colormax to supposedly help discriminate between reds and greens.  They are available in prescriptions.  Not sure re polarized availability. They are Very expensive;  about $ 700 per pair, I think. Have Absolutely NO idea if they work or not. I’ve been beating the bushes for about a year now, trying to get opinions on them. Opinions seem very varied.   Some have said they help, others not. Just posting this so you know they exist. —-Anyone else here tried them ??—- Bob — As a relative newbie to flyfishing in the mountain streams of Colorado, I’ve come to realize that my color blindness has proven to be quite a problem in locating fish, flies (wet and dry) and pretty much anything else in the water.  I’ve tried various types of polarized sunglasses but, short of a fluorescent strike indicator, I can’t see anything beyond the end of my flyline.  Any fish I’ve caught have been by sheer luck (although I’d never admit it in public). Has any one else out there had similar problems or know anyone else that has overcome this unfortunate disadvantage?  I’m not a big fan a strike indicators and I look like a pretty big goof tying one above a dry fly, but I’m out of options. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jafo

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As a relative newbie to flyfishing in the mountain streams of Colorado, I’ve come to realize that my color blindness has proven to be quite a problem in locating fish, flies (wet and dry) and pretty much anything else in the water.  I’ve tried various types of polarized sunglasses but, short of a fluorescent strike indicator, I can’t see anything beyond the end of my flyline.  Any fish I’ve caught have been by sheer luck (although I’d never admit it in public). Has any one else out there had similar problems or know anyone else that has overcome this unfortunate disadvantage?  I’m not a big fan a strike indicators and I look like a pretty big goof tying one above a dry fly, but I’m out of options. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jafo

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As a relative newbie … Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Sounds to me like you’re putting too much of the blame on being color blind. It takes practice to see small flies on the water, use parachute patterns when appropriate and keep at it. Good luck, — Ken Fortenberry

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Has any one else out there had similar problems or know anyone else that has overcome this unfortunate disadvantage?  I’m not a big fan a strike indicators and I look like a pretty big goof tying one above a dry fly, but I’m out of options. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jafo

Open up the window, Jafo, and let me catch my breath!! (Momma told me not to come..) I, too, am afflicted with the recessive sex-linked form of red-green color blindness, and it drives me nuts.  I’m not much of a trout fisher, but I do a lot of flats fishing, primarily for bonefish.  I have a really hard time with the subtle shades of grey, tan, white, and green on the flats.  The good news is that, with experience, your ability to interpret what you see will improve. My opthalmologist suggested amber or yellow lenses-don’t know that they help. Disregard what the "normal guy" says-he hasn’t walked in your waders.   Interestingly enough, the Army Air Corp and the USAF recruited color blind guys to serve in reconnasance planes during WWII because once trained, they were not as likely to be fooled by camoflage coverings on enemy istallations. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’m 50% color blind.  I have a real problem "Matching the trout hatch".  So I ask the fly shop guys in the destination area what the fish are hitting and have them detail the patterns with each color identified by number, vendor and any other details.  This is really important for my dubbing and colors which someone has to help me with. On the water, I go for white water where sight fishing isn’t that important as I have the same trouble seeing fish.  But I cast such a big shadow, I gotta get hid, stay low and take my time watching for action, insects, forage, birds, etc..  But, isn’t that what fishing is all about anyway? Just be patient and enjoy the experience.  It’ll come. Good luck. John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a relative newbie to flyfishing in the mountain streams of Colorado, I’ve come to realize that my color blindness has proven to be quite a problem in locating fish, flies (wet and dry) and pretty much anything else in the water.  I’ve tried various types of polarized sunglasses but, short of a fluorescent strike indicator, I can’t see anything beyond the end of my flyline.  Any fish I’ve caught have been by sheer luck (although I’d never admit it in public). Has any one else out there had similar problems or know anyone else that has overcome this unfortunate disadvantage?  I’m not a big fan a strike indicators and I look like a pretty big goof tying one above a dry fly, but I’m out of options. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jafo

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Hi, There are relatively new glasses being sold by an outfit called Colormax to supposedly help discriminate between reds and greens.  They are available in prescriptions.  Not sure re polarized availability. They are Very expensive;  about $ 700 per pair, I think. Have Absolutely NO idea if they work or not. I’ve been beating the bushes for about a year now, trying to get opinions on them. Opinions seem very varied.   Some have said they help, others not. Just posting this so you know they exist. —-Anyone else here tried them ??—- Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a relative newbie to flyfishing in the mountain streams of Colorado, I’ve come to realize that my color blindness has proven to be quite a problem in locating fish, flies (wet and dry) and pretty much anything else in the water.  I’ve tried various types of polarized sunglasses but, short of a fluorescent strike indicator, I can’t see anything beyond the end of my flyline.  Any fish I’ve caught have been by sheer luck (although I’d never admit it in public). Has any one else out there had similar problems or know anyone else that has overcome this unfortunate disadvantage?  I’m not a big fan a strike indicators and I look like a pretty big goof tying one above a dry fly, but I’m out of options. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jafo

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Have you considered making your own leaders and using Stren Hi-Vis Gold line (or some other high visibility line) for some or all of the leader/tippet? Certainly there are plenty of folks out there who use this line and catch fish, even on the surface.  I know some non-color-blind folks who do this to eliminate the need for a strike indicator (they are serious nymphers).  You could at least buy a spool of 2-4lb test line try using it for tippet material.  You’d only be out a few bucks either way and if it works, you’d have a solution to your dilemma. Tom G with two red-green color-blind friends, neither of whom fly fish–now I know why

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a relative newbie to flyfishing in the mountain streams of Colorado, I’ve come to realize that my color blindness has proven to be quite a problem in locating fish, flies (wet and dry) and pretty much anything else in the water.  I’ve tried various types of polarized sunglasses but, short of a fluorescent strike indicator, I can’t see anything beyond the end of my flyline.  Any fish I’ve caught have been by sheer luck (although I’d never admit it in public). Has any one else out there had similar problems or know anyone else that has overcome this unfortunate disadvantage?  I’m not a big fan a strike indicators and I look like a pretty big goof tying one above a dry fly, but I’m out of options. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Jafo

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… with two red-green color-blind friends, neither of whom fly fish–now I know why

Like another poster to this thread pointed out, red-green color blind people were recruited as aerial spotters, this would indicate to me that the color blindness doesn’t impair visual acuity. What is it about color blindness that would impair one’s ability to see a fly on the water ? Not doubting for one minute that it’s true, just wondering. — Ken Fortenberry

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… with two red-green color-blind friends, neither of whom fly fish–now I know why Like another poster to this thread pointed out, red-green color blind people were recruited as aerial spotters, this would indicate to me that the color blindness doesn’t impair visual acuity. What is it about color blindness that would impair one’s ability to see a fly on the water ? Not doubting for one minute that it’s true, just wondering.

I have a friend with RG colorblindness, and he is a pretty good flyfisherman.  The last time I fished with him, he caught a dozen trout between 12 and 20 inches during a caddis hatch on the Madison, to my one. Kevin

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I have a friend with RG colorblindness, and he is a pretty good flyfisherman.  The last time I fished with him, he caught a dozen trout between 12 and 20 inches during a caddis hatch on the Madison, to my one.

If you were only catching 1 inch fish, you were probably using the wrong color fly.

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BTW, why not include the arbor knot? You have to attach the backing to the spool somehow. Yeah, but the guys at Orvis do that one.

They probably tie your needle knots, too. How many other people in ROFF have been streamside with a supposedly experienced flyfisherman who, when it came time to tie on a leader, had no idea how to do it? The clinch knot and nail knot both can be replaced by the Uni knot if you like.

But EVERY knot can be replaced by the clinch knot. Just ask Wayno if he ever reappears. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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How many other people in ROFF have been streamside with a supposedly experienced flyfisherman who, when it came time to tie on a leader, had no idea how to do it?

This has happened to me numerous times.  Also, many people apparently change their ( looped ),leaders at an amazing rate, because they are unable to even tie tippet on.   If you have enough time and money I don

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A merry (year end festible of choice) to all of you. May the beer god smile apon you and your stockings be filled with bamboo rods, cool vests, waders, zingers and other tools of joy! Even you daytripper, get a bamboo ok? Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more

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A merry (year end festible of choice) to all of you. May the beer god smile apon you and your stockings be filled with bamboo rods, cool vests, waders, zingers and other tools of joy! Even you daytripper, get a bamboo ok? Flyfish

Bah! Humbug! If God had meant us to fish with cane, He’d have them grow with the guides and a UPS shipping label already attached… /daytripper (who actually owns four cane rods but prefers plastic)

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Hi. Just wondering if anyone out there has fished the tailwaters of the Smith Lake Dam in Cullman, Alabama in the last few days. I’m new to flyfishing and was wondering what the trout are feeding on these hot days of summer. If anyone has fished this water lately, please email me and give me an idea of what and how to fish there. I’ve asked the locals, but they are very closed mouth about it. If anyone has any suggestions on what to try, I’d appreciate that also. Thanks, Richard Hollingsworth

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… If anyone has any suggestions on what to try, I’d appreciate that also.

Have never fished below Smith Lake Dam but every tailwater fishery I’ve ever heard of has a population of sow bugs. You might want to try sculpins too. — Ken Fortenberry

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>From: Gidget >urf wrote: >> Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I >> would follow to the extent that I am able to. >I wouldn’t go that far.  The love in my heart is reserved for those who’ve >earned it for whatever reason.  But speaking and acting with compassion and >respect for others is, to me, a very reasonable ideal.

Ditto.  This goes back to the thread on what we need.  I think that when others are treated respectfully, it is not necessarily coming from a place of love…moreso from a place of caring. No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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>Minus 10 points for political correctness…

You butt. ) No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I would follow to the extent that I am able to. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote in message <19990309112015.28004.00000…@ng134.aol.com>… >>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >>Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to >>express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one >>should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I >>have trouble with is condemnation. >>But I’m not condemning anyone for that. >I agree that people should be able to express their opinion.  If they choose to >do it disrespectfully, or judgmentally, that speaks loudly of who they are. >There is a difference between being politically correct and just showing some >plain old respect.  Why not speak to members of this group as lovingly as one >would speak to their spouse?  Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect?  Or does >it only apply at home? >No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. >-William Blake

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Semantics again. The people with whom I disagree are "judgmental". The people with whom I agree are "insightful". Or so it seems to me. — Sourdough sez: "We would worry a lot less about what other people think of us, if we realized how seldom they do." Oceanmomma wrote in message

<19990308203922.14376.00003…@ng18.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >>I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. >I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of >non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in >here. >And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? >No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. >-William Blake

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urf wrote: > Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I > would follow to the extent that I am able to.

I wouldn’t go that far.  The love in my heart is reserved for those who’ve earned it for whatever reason.  But speaking and acting with compassion and respect for others is, to me, a very reasonable ideal.

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Nobody wrote: > Gidget, I agree 100%.  I think its a troll, but the guy sounds like > he’s into power games.  I also would guess that his wife is mildly > interested in the power games as well, seeing that she responded > with the "Yes, Master" he wanted to hear instead of, "Shove it, > you fool."  There are a lot more people into the power game thing > than you might think.

Not only that, but I have a hard time believing that this guy all of a sudden woke up one day and decided he wanted his wife to go w/o underwear or play kinky sex games. This kind of thing, if the person is interested, would be kind of difficult to conceal for 29 years of marriage.

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Gidget, Then what does it make them? I’m curious as to how you would characterize them. Arnie In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>, Gidget – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

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Arnie wrote: > Gidget, > Then what does it make them? I’m curious as to how you would characterize them.

Assuming the original poster is not just a foolish troll… I would characterize him as a person with a fetish (the desire for his mate to go w/o underwear) and a taste for "alternative" sexual practices (the dominance/submission games).

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In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>,   Gidget <gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: > Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and > while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them >"sick motherfuckers."

If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget? garyz We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails. ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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ga…@my-dejanews.com wrote: > If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their > feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget?

Obviously… so would a pedophile.

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C’mon, now!  What goes on between ‘consenting adults’ is none of our business! Really, I’m kidding. Amused – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ga…@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7c1cs5$nj…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>… >In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>, >  Gidget <gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and >> while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them >>"sick motherfuckers." >If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their >feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget? >garyz >We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails. >———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- >http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gidget wrote: > Gail Warnings wrote: > > I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > > do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me > > of the rape guy– and not in a good way. > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

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Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I have trouble with is condemnation. But I’m not condemning anyone for that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote: > >From: urf <nos…@erols.com> > >I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. > I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of > non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in > here. > And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? > No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. > -William Blake

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Minus 10 points for political correctness… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote in message <19990309112015.28004.00000…@ng134.aol.com>… >Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect

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>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to >express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one >should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I >have trouble with is condemnation. >But I’m not condemning anyone for that.

I agree that people should be able to express their opinion.  If they choose to do it disrespectfully, or judgmentally, that speaks loudly of who they are. There is a difference between being politically correct and just showing some plain old respect.  Why not speak to members of this group as lovingly as one would speak to their spouse?  Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect?  Or does it only apply at home? No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Did he also have a diamond in his belly button? lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Amused wrote: > I saw him last week living under a bridge, eating Billy-goats and fly > fishing. > Amused > Gail Warnings wrote in message <7buhgj$o6…@camel18.mindspring.com>… > >Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… > >.  I want my wife to stop wearing > >>underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made > >>her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. > >>I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to > >>college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me > >on to think of > >>inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just > >bought > >>that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying > >>her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t > >>really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. > >I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > >do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds > me > >of the rape guy– and not in a good way. > >Gail

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>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here.

I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in here. And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Call Dr. Popoola.  He helped you before according to your other posting in alt.support.obesity. _____________________________________________________________________ Rich here.  10 months ago I weighed 300 pounds, today 3/1/99 I weight 207. After years of trying to diet I finally realized that my weight problem did not have to do with lack of will power, but a genetic problem passed down from generation to generation. Dr. Dapo Popoola, of the Surgilite Medical Group of North Hollywood, CA. performed a Vertical Ring Gastric Bypass on me and since that day my entire life has changed.  I was diabetic, I am no longer diabetic.  While I am still hypertensive I have cut my medications in half.  I am healther than I have ever been running up to 18 miles a week and doing a full body work out 3 days a week.  If you’re interested in knowing more, I have created a website for Surgilite at surgilite.hypermart.net and you can find out whatever your need to know by visiting that site.  Goodluck. ______________________________________________________ garyz Never mistake motion for action. –Ernest Hemingway ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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"Richard Terry" <rwte…@earthlink.net> wrote: >Short of going to a psychiatrist I am looking for some help.  Perhpas this >is the place.  Please bear with me as I explain.

Richard, It sounds like you’re going to need that psychiatrist.  It doesn’t sound like your wife is into these sex games you are playing.  If she isn’t,  you need help and plenty of it.

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Gail Warnings wrote: > I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me > of the rape guy– and not in a good way.

He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick motherfuckers."

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Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>…

.  I want my wife to stop wearing >underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made >her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. >I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to >college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me on to think of >inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just bought >that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying >her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t >really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive.

I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me of the rape guy– and not in a good way. Gail

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I saw him last week living under a bridge, eating Billy-goats and fly fishing. Amused – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gail Warnings wrote in message <7buhgj$o6…@camel18.mindspring.com>… >Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… >.  I want my wife to stop wearing >>underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made >>her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. >>I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to >>college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me >on to think of >>inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just >bought >>that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying >>her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t >>really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. >I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to >do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me >of the rape guy– and not in a good way. >Gail

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Gidget wrote: > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

Gidget, I agree 100%.  I think its a troll, but the guy sounds like he’s into power games.  I also would guess that his wife is mildly interested in the power games as well, seeing that she responded with the "Yes, Master" he wanted to hear instead of, "Shove it, you fool."  There are a lot more people into the power game thing than you might think. Drew

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Short of going to a psychiatrist I am looking for some help.  Perhpas this is the place.  Please bear with me as I explain. I have been married to the same woman for 29 years.  I love her beyond words, but for 29 years we have struggled with a problem that seems to be getting worse and I need some objective input for disinterested third parties.  So here goes. As I said I love my wife, but I have a desire to control her, Oh, not in the conventional way.  I want her to have her own live, but I want to control what she wears under her clothes.  My wife says I just want to control her, if so, after you read this tell me so.  I want my wife to stop wearing underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view.  She is getting read to have a hysterectomy and after the surgery I do not want her to wear panties any more.  It turns me on to think of my wife, out in public, without underwear.  I’ve never asked her to do anything that she would consider immoral, only that she not wear underwear. On occasions she has gone without a bra, and several yeas ago, on one of our anniverseries, she went without bra and panties and I can’t describe how it made me feel.  I have a strong sex drive, but she does not.  I want sex every night, she wants it every week or month (I’m no exaggerating).  I dream about her every night. I dream about her being naked in front of other men and women and being ordered to allow the men to make love to her to for her to provide oral sex to the women. I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  I don’t want sex 24/7 I just like to look at my wife’s beautiful body. I do have one other "hang up" if you please.  It turns me on to think of inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just bought that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. Last night we had a fight, afterwards I ordered her to remove all her clothes and as I made love to her I told her that she was to address me, at all times with "Yes, Sir" and when it was just she and I she was to address me as "Master".  I can’t begin to tell you how it turned me on when I asked "Do you understand what I’m saying" and she replied "Yes master." I love my wife and want help. After love making I feel so guilty.  I don’t want to hurt her, but at the same time I get so turned on by her submissiveness.  Does anyone have any suggestions that might help me to control my passions and range.   Please reply to me privately and not on this list because I need to hear from you as soon as possible. thanx for listening, I hope you can help. RWT mailto:rwte…@earthlink.net

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Your cleaning method appears sound, but I would definitely do it by hand and stay away from any washing machine, no matter how "gentle" the cycle may be. Regards from Montreal John Brkich

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I would second this recommendation….after trying some others.  The only thing that I would add is that you can purchase a product specifically designed to clean neoprene waders (I forget which company makes it…Simms, I believe)…but I’ve just used liquid soap.  I have a den with a bathroom/shower that is just off of the garage.  When I come back from fishing, if I notice that my waders are getting a bit "foul", I put them in the shower for cleaning.  By putting them on inside out, it’s easy to wash them and ensure that you’ve not skipped anything.  In fact, when I do such a washing, I usually do both the inside and outside…then hang them in the den and over a large plastic bucket to catch water.  It works well. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Put them on inside out, and wash them in the shower. Neoprene is a closed cell foam, so the odor should just be on the surface. My neoprene waders are getting so funky even I don’t want to put them on anymore.  Is there a way to wash them -the insides especially- and if so, what works the best? I was thinking of using Woolite and putting them on gentle cycle, but…..I’lll ask the experts first. pete

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On the way home from a trip, I stop by a neighborhood do-it-yourself car wash. For $2 and 10 minutes I get clean waders (inside and out), clean felt on my wading boots, and no sand residue on the inside of the boots (which can wear the neoprene bootie). It’s also a good time to clean up the beer cooler! Jerry Donovan, Littleton, Colo. My neoprene waders are getting so funky even I don’t want to put them on anymore.  Is there a way to wash them -the insides especially- and if so, what works the best? I was thinking of using Woolite and putting them on gentle cycle, but…..I’lll ask the experts first. pete

(just kiddin) but its the way I fly fish. — George Gehrke All Writings

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I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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Check out the St. Croix Products I Think For your money they rate up their with poles hundreds of $ more. — Larry D. Madison Life without Black would surely make White blind You. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently broke the fly rod that I grew up fishing – an 8 ft 8 wt fiberglass Shakespeare.  I need to replace it and want a rod that I will not "out grow".  I have considered an L.L. Bean guide series 9 ft, 7 or 8 wt at about $200 with a lifetime unconditional guarantee.  I also saw a 9 ft 8 wt Loomis IMX recently for $275 on a close-out.  The Loomis cast very nicely.  I have not felt the Bean rod but have always been very happy with their products. Any advice would be appreciated.  How much better is the Loomis & is it worth the extra money?  Has anyone used the Bean rod? I grew up fishing for pickerel and bass in Delaware, but I primarily fish for Steelhead and smallmouth bass since moving to California and would like to do some Shad fishing.

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I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? Paul Keywords:

We’d buy the GL3 for your first (good) rod. It’s tougher, it won’t cast as well but it will certainly send a 90 foot line. The IMX is more expensive and I enjoy the extra punch but I’m not sure you will notice a big difference if you havent done a lot of casting. Dennis & Geroge Altantic Fly Fishing School Brookfield NS, Canada   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? Paul Keywords:

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Paul, Don’t buy without casting the rod.  And if you cast both and cannot tell the difference, well. . . .   Phone the Loomis Rep and ask how you can try out the rods.  S/he should be happy to oblige.  BTW, if you want to spend money, take a look at T&T or a Scott rod. Cheers – Erik

: I’m in the market for a good 5 wt. rod and have looked at : the GLoomis GL3 and IMX models.  I have not had an opportunity : to cast either yet, but was wondering if people thought the : IMX was worth the extra bucks. I can pick up a GL3 for $CDN 265 : and the IMX for $CDN 395.  What are your thoughts? : Paul : Keywords: — Burnaby, BC

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I will be visiting the keys for the first time in late February early May and am looking for recommendation for places to fish, charters, and equipment needs. I’ll be staying on Little Conch Key, mile 62.  Responses

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: I will be visiting the keys for the first time in late February early May : and am looking for recommendation for places to fish, charters, and : equipment needs. I’ll be staying on Little Conch Key, mile 62.  Responses

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